Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[Leak]

I just gave the latest MPC-HC release (1.1.604) a try for watching that "Rambo: First Blood" DVD I bought a few weeks ago, but just 10 or 15 minutes in the audio was so de-synched that I had to seek to get it back in sync. (I'm using VMR9 with the Direct 3D Fullscreen option checked on Windows XP SP2...)

Reverting back to Alexins rev. 593 build from here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1151441#post1151441) fixed that and I was able to watch the whole movie with perfect audio sync... :(

Might this be the result of different DirectX SDKs being used, as was discussed earlier? Which DirectX SDK did you guys (Casimir666, Alexins) compile your binaries with?

Granted, I'm using ffdshow for decoding the audio and video, but if just switching the mplayerc executable solves the problem I don't think it's ffdshow-related...

np: The Orb - Delta Mk II (Love Bites Mix) (Orblivion Versions)

[rica]

Might this be the result of different DirectX SDKs being used, as was discussed earlier? Which DirectX SDK did you guys (Casimir666, Alexins) compile your binaries with?



All the related SDKs has been loaded, do not worry.

[Leak]

All the related SDKs has been loaded, do not worry.
What's that supposed to mean? :confused:

If the latest release goes out of sync while a different earlier compile doesn't I'm quite prone to worrying...

np: The Orb - Secrets (I Love A Woman In Uniform Mix) (Orblivion Versions)

[neoufo51]

I have an issue when using the Haali renderer.

When skipping around on standard definition AVI files, specifically, skipping forward by 5 seconds repeatedly by pressing a hotkey, the video gradually loses sync with the audio. Is this an issue with the Haali Renderer, or an issue with MPC-HC?

I'm using ONLY the built-in decoders, nothing more. I can't provide a test file since its a general nuisance with every AVI file I have, but if you guys have some AVI files, try doing what I did and see if your video loses sync with the audio.

[gngn]

no problem here using either the internal AVI splitter or Haali. using "Ctrl+right" , 5 seconds skip repeatedly. tried it on a number of avi files (xvid and divx), with ffdshowaudiodecoder or the internal AC3 audiodecoder.

[neoufo51]

Hmmm, I just tried it again on a file and its not doing it anymore. I'm using the 613 build since then so either something was fixed or I was wrong and some files do it and others don't. I'll post again if I find anything concrete.

[Casimir666]

Hi guys!

Do you mean something like this by "tearing" ? (this is a VC1 under TS container)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2585/tearingig3.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tearingig3.jpg)

BTW: The same file opened with graphedit: (with arcsoft it would be much much better but unfortunatelly trial period of TMT has expired)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4813/tearing2es9.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tearing2es9.jpg)

Fine here with Vista 32 too. Have you installed the Catalyst 8.6? If so revert to 8.5 VC1 decoding is broken with them...

[homerpez]

I'm hoping that someone will be patient with me (noob)... I've been aware of MPC homecinema for some time, but discouraged because I could not get DXVA working properly. I came back to this topic after some time, and hoped that there'd been enough advances over time that my problems were over. I'm finding I'm still having the same issues though.

I'm not sure where to begin, I guess I will list what's going on, and hopefully something will jump out.

- I'm using Vista 32, Nvidia 8600 GT card, E4200 Processor, and 2GB Ram. PowerDVD8 and Arcsoft totalmedia are installed as well (PowerDVD8 Video filter is what MPC always defaults to when FFDShow is disabled). MPC version is the very latest one mentioned in this thread to this point.

- I've updated DirectX to the latest runtimes, the Nvidia driver to the latest, as well as Haali splitter.

- Playing HD-DVD or Blu-ray discs accelerate perfectly in PowerDVD8 and Arcsoft, so I know DXVA works fine on this machine.

OK...

My goal is to play back H.264 in mkv containers, with the full DXVA2 acceleration. Most of what I have are movie or anime backups at 720p resolution (or less, but conforming to specs).

In Vista, I'm supposed to select "EVR" to enable DXVA. When I select "EVR" however, it does enable DXVA2, but after a few seconds of playing smoothly it begins to stutter and lag.

"EVR Custom" seems to do the same thing: it will play smoothly for a few seconds, and then begin to lag and stutter (while audio still plays fine).

Other modes will kick MPC back into software decoding mode (still using the PowerDVD8 decoder), and the video will play fine.

Could someone offer me a road map, telling me where I could begin to start tweaking MPC to allow the DXVA2 to run more smoothly? I'm really not sure where to even start, as every change I make seems to cause more problems (I even lost 5.1 audio through SPDIF at one point, not sure how). I really would like to get DXVA running smoothly like many of you apparently have, just not sure where I need to start. :thanks:

Also a side issue I noticed (assuming I can ever solve the first problem)... supposedly if you want to use DXVA and subtitles at the same time, you can use "EVR Custom". However when I do this, it seems to kick back to software decoding again. How can this be solved?

I have already found that I can get full DXVA going smoothly if I remux to a .ts container, and open that up in Arcsoft Totalmedia. The problem here is that I probably have hundreds of mkv's of anime and so forth... it would be a pain to remux them all. MPC Homecinema, if I can get it to work, seems a better solution...

I appreciate any and all help that will get me in the right direction here... I feel SO close to having DXVA working smoothly. Thanks! :cool:

[lexor]

Sup everyone, I'm having trouble using the "denoise" shader. I've done a search and apparently the freeze issue is due to the shader needing to be compiled with PS3.0, which I gather from the posts has to be done by whoever build the player, not on client side. I've got my mplayer build from OP, is that not a compatible version? If so where can I get a proper build?

[ranpha]

Sup everyone, I'm having trouble using the "denoise" shader. I've done a search and apparently the freeze issue is due to the shader needing to be compiled with PS3.0, which I gather from the posts has to be done by whoever build the player, not on client side. I've got my mplayer build from OP, is that not a compatible version? If so where can I get a proper build?

Go to shader editor, load the denoise code there and change the pulldown menu from ps_2_0 to ps_3_0.

[rica]

Hi guys, thanks for the responses :thanks:

BTW, Casimir666, i'm using nVidia 8600GTS and give it a go with latest FW drivers.

As far as i understood, it seems working with Ati on Vista32 (with a suitable FW)

The best working VC1 decoder for nVidia is Arcsoft; i have to mention btw.

[rica]

homerpez,

For DXVA part, are you sure your h264 mkvs are HA capable ones? (If you are not sure you can remux them into TS container and check with Cyberlink or Arcsoft.)
For suptitle part, let me give this quote from myself:

When i remuxed vc1 and ac3 into TS with TS muxer and renamed srt created with supread with the same name of muxed ts and put them in the same folder, i can easily watch suptitle with MPC-HC.


VC1 or h264,
TS or mkv, it doesn't matter. Renderer must be EVR Custom for Vista...

[ADude]

My goal is to play back H.264 in mkv containers, with the full DXVA2 acceleration. Most of what I have are movie or anime backups at 720p resolution (or less, but conforming to specs).

[...]

Other modes will kick MPC back into software decoding mode (still using the PowerDVD8 decoder), and the video will play fine.

Then just use software decoding mode. :eek: :eek: :eek:

The only point of DXVA is for systems that cannot playback without it - if your videos playback fine in software mode, then you are done.

[Casimir666]

Hi guys, thanks for the responses :thanks:

BTW, Casimir666, i'm using nVidia 8600GTS and give it a go with latest FW drivers.

As far as i understood, it seems working with Ati on Vista32 (with a suitable FW)

The best working VC1 decoder for nVidia is Arcsoft; i have to mention btw.

Haa ok since you have an nVidia no DXVA for VC1. I have macroblocks too in software mode. Have you tried with ffdshow?

[Joniii]

Hi guys!

Do you mean something like this by "tearing" ? (this is a VC1 under TS container)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2585/tearingig3.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tearingig3.jpg)

BTW: The same file opened with graphedit: (with arcsoft it would be much much better but unfortunatelly trial period of TMT has expired)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4813/tearing2es9.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tearing2es9.jpg)

Same thing here. Vista x86 SP1, Radeon X850XT. I've always got that with all my VC1 Blu-rays and MPC-HC (mpeg splitter + mpcvideodecoder). Mpeg splitter+ffdshow gives the same thing but with wmvideodecoder everything is fine except bad stuttering.

[rica]

Haa ok since you have an nVidia no DXVA for VC1. I have macroblocks too in software mode. Have you tried with ffdshow?

No, not yet.

[homerpez]

@ rica: Yes, I am fairly sure they are compliant... As I said, when I take the same video stream and mux it into a TS, it accelerates just fine in the Arcsoft player. It's just a TREMENDOUS pain to do this to dozens and dozens of backups, most of which I've archived on DVD. That, and I'm not sure how well subtitles work under TS (most are anime).

But EVR custom by itself produces this lag/stutter, plus if subtitles are detected it always reverts to software mode.


@ ADude: I can't honestly say software mode plays "fine" on my machine (only better than the lag/stutter that DXVA produces in MPC). One of the reasons I'm so interested in this is, when I use the good filter in software mode (PowerDVD8), there's a much less common "frame skip" issue. However when I play an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray disc, hardware decoding works flawlessly. This is why I'm so interested in getting DXVA working smoothly for mkv's.

The E4200 + Nvidia Card SHOULD be more than powerful enough to play anything in software mode. But sadly...

So...

My question now is, for those who DO have this working... what do I tweak in "EVR Custom" to smooth things out and stop this stuttering? Simply selecting EVR Custom alone isn't working, nor does it help the subtitle issue. I probably need to dig deeper in the settings, and suggestions on steps to try would be very very helpful.

While I'm thinking of it... something else I could try, but I don't know how to do it: Could I boost the priority of the Arcsoft decoder instead of the PowerDVD decoder? And use DXVA that way? I always assumed Cyberlink's was better, but times do change. Where would I do this so it's effective system-wide? (not seeing that in MPC's menus)

It's possible Arcsoft's filter might not produce the same stuttering - maybe. But any insight at this point would be great... :)

[rica]

homerpez,
have you ever tried alexins' compilations?
Just select "evr custom"

[rica]

Casimir666,

I've just tried ffdshow.
ıt uses libav or wmv9 as decoder.
Both do not give HA and libav gives the same result with mpcdecoder.

[homerpez]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86), svn 613 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/47/1/)
Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x64), svn 613 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/48/1/)

ADD : support Multi-Monitor configuration, select Monitor for full-screen playback; FIX : .manifest now support for x64 build; Minor FFmpeg update; Removed some incorrect mediatypes; Re-ordered internal decoders; FIXED : incorrect display of "Chapter" in status bar

@ rica: This is the build I'm using... made sure to download the very most recent one mentioned, before I went on about this. I just checked again, and it is x86 613.

I just figured out how to override the Video decoder setting in MPC (under external filters), so I can use Arcsoft's Video decoder instead of PowerDVD8... at least in MPC.

Doing this, I noticed most of the stuttering issues went away! There's some hiccups, I notice that audio/video sometimes goes out of sync when you seek, but it will fall into place after a few moments. So I'm ready to blame PowerDVD8 for my stuttering issues. They apparently broke something... may just uninstall it altogether.

What's still going on is that any time subtitles are in the MKV (visible or not), it loads DirectVOBSub (I think), and DXVA isn't used. It's back to software mode. Tried to find this setting in MPC, but I only see where to override the placement of subtitles, the color, etc, but not the filter itself. "EVR Custom" setting alone doesn't make the two work at the same time...

I'm almost there..... Just need that last piece of info to make things happy. :)

[Casimir666]

Casimir666,

I've just tried ffdshow.
ıt uses libav or wmv9 as decoder.
Both do not give HA and libav gives the same result with mpcdecoder.

Ok so should be a bug in ffmpeg VC1 decoder (mpc-hc and ffdshow use the same ffmpeg trunk)

[rack04]

Just wanted to report that the Multi-Monitor configuration support works fantastic. Thanks.

[rica]

What's still going on is that any time subtitles are in the MKV (visible or not), it loads DirectVOBSub (I think), and DXVA isn't used. It's back to software mode. Tried to find this setting in MPC, but I only see where to override the placement of subtitles, the color, etc, but not the filter itself. "EVR Custom" setting alone doesn't make the two work at the same time...

I'm almost there..... Just need that last piece of info to make things happy. :)

homerpez, the most important feature of mpcvideo decoder is the only decoder which is able to decode subtitles together with video in DXVA mode.
I'm repeating: put aaa.srt with aaa.mkv into the same folder and try again. If srt has bbb preneme, forget watching suptitles.
If directvobsub is been using you must see under play > filters..

[ericab]

Just wanted to report that the Multi-Monitor configuration support works fantastic. Thanks.

ditto

[homerpez]

homerpez, the most important feature of mpcvideo decoder is the only decoder which is able to decode subtitles together with video in DXVA mode.
I'm repeating: put aaa.srt with aaa.mkv into the same folder and try again. If srt has bbb preneme, forget watching suptitles.

Unfortunately, I don't understand most of what you said there...

The subtitles aren't separate files, they're embedded in the stream mix, inside the MKV. There will be a video, audio, and then subtitle streams right in there. I believe they're usually .srt streams.

So the only way MPC Homecinema is able to do subtitle + DXVA directly is to separate the subs from the movie file?... this seems a little kludgy.

[rica]

So the only way MPC Homecinema is able to do subtitle + DXVA directly is to separate the subs from the movie file?... this seems a little kludgy.

This is what my experience tells, not me:)
I think it's better way than watching embedded subtitles, at least you have the chance watching them without sups when needed.
But on the other hand, i'm a newbie in MPC, so experienced users may offer different ways?

[homerpez]

Usually I find it's ok to right click either the Haali splitter icon or the DirectVobSub icon, and select/disable subs from there (this only happens to me rarely)... Just would be nice if MPC Homecinema would have a similar internal filter, which could disable DirectVobSub and allow for DXVA and subs, but without having to split the streams..

Well, I'm much better off today than I was yesterday with this, so thanks for the help thus far. :thanks:

[MatMaul]

just unreg VSFilter.dll (regsvr32 /u VSFilter.dll) and use the internal MPC subtitle renderer

[rica]

When you put any post-processing filter (like directVobSub) after decoder, you will lose DXVA and drop to software mode.
But you don't need to put any post filter for decoding sups in mpc since mpcvideo decoder decodes subs+video at the same time.
So you don't lose DXVA.

Hope it helps further.

[Kado]

MPC HC needs specific renderers to render the subs with it's internal subtitle renderer. the subtitles are rendererd in hardware over the video frame and they never break dxva support.

now if you dont have dxva working is because some filter is between the mpc decoder and the renderer or the file you are using is not dxva compilant.
now do what MatMaul said or block directvobsub/vobsub in the external filters.

Image of dxva and softsubs working together. (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/mpc_hc_ss_dxva_re1.01.jpg)

[homerpez]

What you both said got me curious enough to tweak it again... here's what happens after unregistering VSFilter.dll:

mkv's that have .srt subtitles simply lock up and will not play in MPC. It seems to not know what to do with the file... Subtitles are visible in the Haali icon but the movie itself will not play.

mkv's that have .ass subtitles will play, and using DXVA... but the subtitles don't appear. Again, you can see them on the list in the Haali icon, but you can't see them as the movie plays.

So I may just be stuck watching videos with subtitles in software mode... Arcsoft's filter seems much better than PowerDVD8 was at this, so maybe not all is lost.

@ Kado: your image shows "MPC Video filter" as the video decoder... is this able to process H.264 without a "helper" (like Arcsoft or PowerDVD8)? Maybe this is my problem...?

[rica]

@ Kado: your image shows "MPC Video filter" as the video decoder... is this able to process H.264 without a "helper" (like Arcsoft or PowerDVD8)? Maybe this is my problem...?

I'm not kado:)
But let me tell you once again(might be the last time),
you will never make DXVA working with external filters while trying to watch subtitles.
Do me a favor: remove all of your external filters and try with the default settings.

[gngn]

Image of dxva and softsubs working together. (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/mpc_hc_ss_dxva_re1.01.jpg)

nice screenshot you selected there :goodpost:

[rica]

BTW kado, i liked your drawings :)

Another SS:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7728/killx3.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=killx3.jpg)

[gngn]

@homerpez: verify if the "Autoload subtitles" is checked in the "Playback" section of the options. as like VSFilter the internal subtitledecoder of MPC-HC will automaticaly load all subs (soft and external)

[rica]

now if you dont have dxva working is because some filter is between the mpc decoder and the renderer or the file you are using is not dxva compilant.


Afaik there is no dxva compliant filters between decoder and renderer.
If there is one it must be between demuxer and renderer.
Any filter between video decoder and renderer drops DXVA.
You can check it with graphedit while MPC is working. Click "connect to remote graph" and you will see what is happening on the back side.

[homerpez]

Guess what... I finally got it working. :p

What the key was, was the "auto loading of subtitles" in the playback menu (which I overlooked), and then noticing that all the screenshots showed use of the "MPC Video Decoder" rather than anything else.

Since nobody corrected me on this part of it, I'd been trying to use Arcsoft or PowerDVD8 filters, when only MPC Video Filter was going to work correctly from the start.

So... Blocking Arcsoft filters and VobSub + Enabling MPC Video Filter (internal) + EVR Custom + "Auto load subtitles" works great. I'm overjoyed. :thanks:

If I could buy you all a beer, I would. :)

[rica]

This is the graph while you are watching sups working on the behind: (audio renderer is different in your case, sorry:) )

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4007/kiljh8.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kiljh8.jpg)

Send me my beer, or just tell the bar address :)

[STaRGaZeR]

Samples 2,5,6 work fine, 3 freez on version 600, 613 of course software mode. In my opinion 12+ reference frame is problematic the same like in CyberLink decoder.

And why you with NV hardware plays 6 for example in software mode and with ATI DXVA kicks in resulting in green screen? Interesting.

[rica]

Since nobody corrected me on this part of it, I'd been trying to use Arcsoft or PowerDVD8 filters, when only MPC Video Filter was going to work correctly from the start.


Are you sure?
Pls read back the thread.
But let me tell you once again(might be the last time),
you will never make DXVA working with external filters while trying to watch subtitles.
Do me a favor: remove all of your external filters and try with the default settings.

[neoufo51]

My one wish is that DXVA would work with the Haali Renderer. VMR9 has really bad contrast. All the blacks look grey with VMR9 and the Luma range setting on the Haali Renderer allows me to get true blacks. Will it ever be possible to make the two work together?

Also, another Haali related issue. When playing back a Quicktime High Definition file, such as the new Quantum of Solace HD trailer here...

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/quantum-of-solace/26922/main

The video suffers a MAJOR slowdown when you right click the video image (to get to the context menu) while it's playing. This occurs ONLY when using the Haali Renderer for playback and not the Overlay or VMR9 output modes.

[homerpez]

Are you sure?
Pls read back the thread.

Well... perhaps... yes, you're right.

But the "default settings" I had were to use Cyberlink's decoder - this is how MPC started from the beginning. To take it back to "MPC decoders only" actually took a bit of work... especially since I learned how to on the fly, trying to work this out. :p

Which I did, and again, thanks. :)

[Ranguvar]

My one wish is that DXVA would work with the Haali Renderer. VMR9 has really bad contrast. All the blacks look grey with VMR9 and the Luma range setting on the Haali Renderer allows me to get true blacks. Will it ever be possible to make the two work together?
Try forcing RGB output in ffdshow, with High quality RGB conversion, and Full range (Rec.601). It will slow performance slightly. Then VMR9 should work correctly.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Try forcing RGB output in ffdshow, with High quality RGB conversion, and Full range (Rec.601). It will slow performance slightly. Then VMR9 should work correctly.

can't add FFDshow with DXVA

[marc99]

I have a problem (Vista SP1 8600GT):
MPC-HC + WMVideo Decoder DMO + VMR = DXVA work (DXVA1)
Windows Media Player + EVR = DXVA work (DXVA2)
MPC-HC + WMVideo Decoder DMO + EVR = DXVA doesen't work (shoold be DXVA2?)
This is MS Decoder or MPC-HC limitation?

[Aleksoid1978]

I have a problem (Vista SP1 8600GT):
MPC-HC + WMVideo Decoder DMO + VMR = DXVA work (DXVA1)
Windows Media Player + EVR = DXVA work (DXVA2)
MPC-HC + WMVideo Decoder DMO + EVR = DXVA doesen't work (shoold be DXVA2?)
This is MS Decoder or MPC-HC limitation?


Me too - on Vista, EVR+WMVideo Decoder DMO not work DXVA2, in output pin show - WMV1(also as input pin)

on XP, VMR9+WMVideo Decoder DMO work DXVA1, in output pit show - DXVA, but CPU load however large.

Possible it limit WMVideo Decoder DMO ...

[Mercury_22]

I have problems playing Audio Uncompressed (PCM) in many (all) files (example file (http://rapidshare.com/files/126255281/Fitness_ABS.avi.html)) ! The same files are playing OK with WMP or using ffdshow !

Please help ! :helpful:

:thanks:

[Miryan]

I have problems playing Audio Uncompressed (PCM) in many (all) files (example file (http://rapidshare.com/files/126255281/Fitness_ABS.avi.html)) ! The same files are playing OK with WMP or using ffdshow !

Please help ! :helpful:

:thanks:

What seems to be the problem? I can play this fine.

[neoufo51]

Try forcing RGB output in ffdshow, with High quality RGB conversion, and Full range (Rec.601). It will slow performance slightly. Then VMR9 should work correctly.
Yes but the whole point is to use DXVA as the other fellow said.

Anybody else have a better solution?

[Kado]

@All
MPC HC rev622 here! (http://xvidvideo.ru/)

@homerpez
my gpu (9800gtx) can do bitstream decoding so mpc decoder just feeds it the video stream for it to decode, no additional help needed.

@rica
Thanks, some base images are from moeboard.net, I have to update the site with some new wallpapers.

@gngn
Evangelion is just great!:)

@neoufo51
Use shader 16-235 -> 0-255 to correct the luma range.