Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[tetsuo55]

Does it work with the latest qt lite?
http://www.codecguide.com/qt_lite.htm
updated June 2nd 2009

[Aleksoid1978]

Play with DXVA but comes with fits and starts. Without DXVA - play fine.

[Jong]

rev 1150 still broken...

http://movies.apple.com/movies/lionsgate/shrink/shrink-tlr1_h640w.mov

rev 1137 is playing the file just fineWorks fine with 1150 with and without DXVA here. XP SP3, 3850, Cat9.2, VMR9(renderless), Mixer mode "on", YUV Mixing "on".

[Jong]

Play with DXVA but comes with fits and starts. Without DXVA - play fine.Do you mean the startup stops and starts, but once started playback is fine. if so, this has been true of streamed .mov files (not locally stored .mov files) for a long time (as long as I can remember, but not sure how long that is!). It does go away when you disable DXVA mode, so it seems the video may be switching back and forth between DXVA and non-DXVA at the start for some reason. I had just accepted this, but it would be good if it could be eliminated.

[Jong]

.....I should add I am using Directshow for Quicktime files.

[tetsuo55]

does anyone know what this option:
Options > Subtitles > Delay interval (default value is 500)

Is supposed to do?

[MatMaul]

does anyone know what this option:
Options > Subtitles > Delay interval (default value is 500)

Is supposed to do?
when you hit F1/F2 it does + or - "delay interval" on the subtitles timings.

[tetsuo55]

I think we need to add a popup description for that.

By default the subtitle delay is disabled.
You can enable it by Pressing F1 to add a delay and F2 to remove a delay.

The delay is added/removed by the interval specified (default 500)

EDIT:
Sourceforge appears to be down

EDIT@:

Is the current delay value visable in the OSD somewhere? does is specify explicitly if its positive or negative?

[neoufo51]

Does it work with the latest qt lite?
http://www.codecguide.com/qt_lite.htm
updated June 2nd 2009
Yep, that fixed it. Works fine now. I had QT Lite 2.8

[tetsuo55]

rev 1150 still broken...

http://movies.apple.com/movies/lionsgate/shrink/shrink-tlr1_h640w.mov

rev 1137 is playing the file just fineDoes it work for you too with

Do you mean the startup stops and starts, but once started playback is fine. if so, this has been true of streamed .mov files (not locally stored .mov files) for a long time (as long as I can remember, but not sure how long that is!). It does go away when you disable DXVA mode, so it seems the video may be switching back and forth between DXVA and non-DXVA at the start for some reason. I had just accepted this, but it would be good if it could be eliminated.I suggest adding that to the bug tracker, as it's definitely not expected behavior (even though it might turn out to be unfixable)

[ShadowVlican]

rev 1150 still broken...

http://movies.apple.com/movies/lionsgate/shrink/shrink-tlr1_h640w.mov

rev 1137 is playing the file just fine
i downloaded the file, so it's locally stored

for me, dxva has broken playback (plays, jerky frames, then freezes) but mpc-hc's builtin filters work fine

i'm not using qt lite either

specs:
Vista x64 sp1 ultimate
MPC-HC w/ internal filters
NVIDIA GeForce G105M with 185.85 drivers

[tetsuo55]

dxva has broken playback but mpc-hc's builtin filters work

i'm not using qt lite either

specs:
Vista x64 sp1 ultimate
MPC-HC w/ internal filters
NVIDIA GeForce G105M with 185.85 driversDoes DXVA work for you if you wait a few seconds?

[ShadowVlican]

Does DXVA work for you if you wait a few seconds?
sorry i updated my post, but the file is locally stored

[tetsuo55]

So QT-lite 2.9.0 and the built in software filters work.
But DXVA is broken.

Confirmed by multiple people now, but the playback acts different per user.
There might still be some setting that influences playback, but it's clear this can be added to the bug tracker, so please do so.

[gngn]

EDIT@:

Is the current delay value visable in the OSD somewhere? does is specify explicitly if its positive or negative?

yes, with OSD on it will tell: "Sub delay: +/-xxx ms"

the same goes for the audio delay, that can be set with the Numpads +/- by a default 10ms: "Audio Delay: +/-xxxms"

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/dxva/th_subs_delay.png (http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/dxva/subs_delay.png)

[tetsuo55]

Thanks,

Does the status information bar or the CTRL+J also show it?

[gngn]

"Display Stats" on XP wont show any change in audio/subs delay.
but audio delay when changing value is visible in the status bar. subs delay not. you are right about asking, kind of bad if OSD is not turned on. should be a feature request.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/dxva/stats.png

[romanesque]

Does it work for you too with


Sorry for not giving more details. The file is locally stored and as ShadowVlican already said dxva has broken playback (plays, jerky frames, then freezes).

I'm not using qt lite, either. Default settings for mpc-hc, with latest directx and 185.85 nvidia drivers. OS is win7 (x86)

[Jong]

So QT-lite 2.9.0 and the built in software filters work.
But DXVA is broken.

Confirmed by multiple people now, but the playback acts different per user.
There might still be some setting that influences playback, but it's clear this can be added to the bug tracker, so please do so.DXVA on that clip (specs as above) works fine here (not counting the stop/pause at startup, which has been there way before 1150).

[anybody]

I'm currently suffering from a strange problem that results in non-fluid playback using the latest Media Player Classic SVN builds when outputting DTS via SPDIF:

For some reason, latest SVN builds seem to play the movie to slow in this (DTS-SPDIF) configuration, here is a screenshot of the stats while playing:
http://nv-systems.net/pics/forumdoom9/DTSspdif-FrameRateVariations1.jpg
Please note that "Clock" in the upper right corner is 98%.

But every 5,7 seconds, framerate spikes and movements are for a fraction of a second (0,5s or less) noticably accerated.

This can be seen here:
http://nv-systems.net/pics/forumdoom9/DTSspdif-FrameRateVariations2.jpg
Note that "Clock" in the upper right corner has accelerated way beyond 100% !

Here is a section of the graphs, showing the time this happened. This happens every 5,7 seconds and always looks the same.
http://nv-systems.net/pics/forumdoom9/DTSspdif-FrameRateVariations3.png

I've spent hours investigating this, and this is what I've tried and what has not changed anything:

Does not have any effect:
- Happens with both the internal MPC DTS Filter (when set to use SPDIF) and with external ffdshow (when set to use SPDIF)
- Tested on both Windows 7 x64 and Vista x64 on two seperate Systems
- One system had a GeForce 8800GT, the other a Radeon 4870, both with very recent drivers
- Tested with Default Audio Device set to SoundMAX SPDIF Interface and a Creative X-Fi SPDIF Out and the default driver "Digital Audio (S/PDIF) High Definition Audio Device " on the Windows 7 PC.
- Tested with both VMR9 and EVR Custom, also tested Overlay
- Tested with both CoreAVC and the internal MPC Video Decoder (using DXVA)
- Also tested a 64bit MPC SVN build (i'm using 32bit MPC most of the time despite having a 64bit OS)

All those things tested above have NO effect on this.

Does have an effect:
- Whether SPDIF out is enabled in ffdshow
- Whether SPDIF out is enabled in MPC's internal DTS Filter
(Once SPDIF is not used, the "Clock" in the upper right corner immediately goes to ~100% and the problem is gone)

- The version of Media Player Classic: The SVN Builds 1101 and 1137 both suffer from this, but the latest MediaPlayerClassic Homecinema Final Release (Build 908) dated November 29th 2008 does NOT suffer from this !
(the old release unforunately does not have the cool stats, but the problem is clearly gone with this version (tested on both PCs and confirmed by two different persons))

- AC3-SPDIF with works perfectly fine, both with the internal Filter and externally using ffdshow ! This problem happens _ONLY_ with DTS !

Anyone got any idea why this is happening? The SVN versions are really great except for this, and I would really like to continue using those! Also, any upcoming new official "Home Cinema" release is likely to exhibit this too, so I would really appreciate if someone could fix this !

EDIT: I've opened a bug for this HERE (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2810264&group_id=170561&atid=854651) (which contains some additional info, for example that it works with SPDIFER and that the problem was introduced between build 1043 and 1050)

[73ChargerFan]

My experience was that DTS over SPDIF has never worked with the internal transform filter; it always gave loud pops and cracks, drops in signal. I use Spdifer (http://ac3filter.net/projects/spdifer) (part of the AC3Filter project) instead.

[anybody]

Good recommendation! I just installed, configured and tested Spdiffer and the "Clock" is back to 100% and the video playback is no longer jerky every 5,7 seconds!

Now I just wonder
- why is both the internal MPC filter as well as the external ffdshow filter affected?
- why does it work with the official MediaPlayerClassic HomeCinema Release from November ?

it always gave loud pops and cracks, drops in signal

Have this problem too, but that wasn't really the one I was complaining about. DTS SPDIF with the internal filter has serious sound quality problems on my system too but ffdshow SPDIF output is perfectly fine.

... well except that BOTH internal and external ffdshow made video playback jerky when using DTS...

[tetsuo55]

@ 73ChargerFan, anybody,

I believe this problem has existed for quite some time now right?

Can you guys find the regression point ?(last build working, first build breaking)
Also this problem has never been reported on the tracker so probably got lost in the thread somewhere, please add it to the tracker.

I'm not sure if the clock problem and crackle and pops are related but they probably are so both problems can be reported in 1 bug-report

[73ChargerFan]

Thanks guys,

They both look very good, way better than what i made.
Maybe both can be combined into 1 page?

Mercury_22
Our content is basically the same - I like my intro and your page body. I'd like to be able to use the wiki discussion pages to talk about this with you, off of this forum.

I have a sourceforge account, and if you create one also, then tetsuo55 ( please :) ) could add us to the list of space members. (http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/space/permissions)

[73ChargerFan]

@ 73ChargerFan, anybody,

I believe this problem has existed for quite some time now right?

Can you guys find the regression point ?(last build working, first build breaking)
Also this problem has never been reported on the tracker so probably got lost in the thread somewhere, please add it to the tracker.

I'm not sure if the clock problem and crackle and pops are related but they probably are so both problems can be reported in 1 bug-report
I don't think the crackle bug is a regression - I've always had it, back to gabest's last version, before the forks. Adude also had the same problem, iirc. When I asked (and asked, and asked, ...) I was told that that part of the code base was written by gabest and has never been touched since.

[73ChargerFan]

My signature now links to the wiki.

[anybody]

I will try to find the first SVN build which breaks the video playback once xvidvideo.ru is back online.

I am quite sure though that the broken DTS audio quality has nothing to do with the "Clock" jerkyness though - I remember having the broken DTS audio for sooooo long, while I've only recently begun suffering from the jerky video playback.

Also using the external ffdshow for SPDIF out has perfect DTS playback quality on several systems I've tried - and this combination also suffers from the "Clock" problems.

[tetsuo55]

Mercury_22
Our content is basically the same - I like my intro and your page body. I'd like to be able to use the wiki discussion pages to talk about this with you, off of this forum.

I have a sourceforge account, and if you create one also, then tetsuo55 ( please :) ) could add us to the list of space members. (http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/space/permissions)You both have accounts but i cannot find an option to add you??I don't think the crackle bug is a regression - I've always had it, back to gabest's last version, before the forks. Adude also had the same problem, iirc. When I asked (and asked, and asked, ...) I was told that that part of the code base was written by gabest and has never been touched since.I will try to find the first SVN build which breaks the video playback once xvidvideo.ru is back online.

I am quite sure though that the broken DTS audio quality has nothing to do with the "Clock" jerkyness though - I remember having the broken DTS audio for sooooo long, while I've only recently begun suffering from the jerky video playback.

Also using the external ffdshow for SPDIF out has perfect DTS playback quality on several systems I've tried - and this combination also suffers from the "Clock" problems.In that case 2 different reports will have to be made, 1 for the DTS sound issues, and another one for the Clock issue.

We might have to postpone some of these audio issues until beliyaal finishes the video renderer

[tetsuo55]

@ Everyone,

I have the feeling there are still a lot of bugs experienced/posted about on the forum by the users here that are not on the tracker.

Please if you can still reproduce the bug after following the instructions in my signature add the bug to the tracker.

Some of the things i can think off that have not been reported are:
-Refresh rate detection issues
-Some of the multi monitor issues
-Many of the DXVA issues (especially ATI AGP)
-Splitter issues
-Subtitles issues

[Mercury_22]

Mercury_22
Our content is basically the same - I like my intro and your page body. I'd like to be able to use the wiki discussion pages to talk about this with you, off of this forum.

I have a sourceforge account, and if you create one also, then tetsuo55 ( please :) ) could add us to the list of space members. (http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/space/permissions)

Feel free to change mine as you like ! :)

When you finish please ask Casimir, Beliyaal and all devs if they need more info to be added / requested :rolleyes:

[Momber]

Follow the instructions in my signature. Is your card an AGP card by any chance?(if so you will need to follow some extra steps not mentioned in my signature)
the combination of settings you mention work completely fine for me and as far as i know all the dev's and regulars.
No, my card is not AGP.
And the general troubleshooting and updating hints in your sig do not apply. Did you even read my post?
I'm coming from a fresh install of XP, all new drivers and updates, clean new installation of MPC HC.

VMR9 is definitely broken with DXVA. Regardless of splitter and video decoder (internal or external).

However, with PowerDVD 8, which also uses VMR9 renderless, I have no problems whatsoever!

[tetsuo55]

No, my card is not AGP.
And the general troubleshooting and updating hints in your sig do not apply. Did you even read my post?
I'm coming from a fresh install of XP, all new drivers and updates, clean new installation of MPC HC.

VMR9 is definitely broken with DXVA. Regardless of splitter and video decoder (internal or external).

However, with PowerDVD 8, which also uses VMR9 renderless, I have no problems whatsoever!They apply very strongly because as far as we know you are the only user suffering from this issue.

[Koguna]

Hello,

I have 2 problem with x64 MPC:

- I have a True HD Audio file, I can't read it correctly (I have test with and without FFDShow). If I mux it into an MKV it's work. Why ?

- I can't read FLAC file properly, some files work and some don't. Why ?

Thanks.

[anybody]

I don't think the crackle bug is a regression - I've always had it, back to gabest's last version, before the forks. Adude also had the same problem, iirc. When I asked (and asked, and asked, ...) I was told that that part of the code base was written by gabest and has never been touched since.


In that case 2 different reports will have to be made, 1 for the DTS sound issues, and another one for the Clock issue.


I've now created a bug for the sound corruption occuring when using DTS passthrough of the internal DTS Filter:Bug@Sourceforge (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2801424&group_id=170561&atid=854651)

Regarding my video playback jerkyness "Clock" problems, I have made some further tests tonight (and came up with some interesting observations) and will try to submit a bug with a good description and a test-file this weekend...


We might have to postpone some of these audio issues until beliyaal finishes the video renderer

Well, it's actually a video issue when playback is jerky, isn't it - so perhaps his rendering changes have caused it :devil:
Just strange that it only happens with DTS tracks and only in certain conditions...

[saint-francis]

@ tetsuo55 + Devs,

Thank you for all of the hard work you are doing on MPC HC. The level of development and bug fixing is above and beyond. MPC HC is already arguable the best player out and it just keeps getting better and better.

You are all perfecting the player that keeps the community watching our movies.

[Momber]

They apply very strongly because as far as we know you are the only user suffering from this issue.
Obviously you don't know the thread you're posting in.
And obviously you're not interested in helping so why don't you just *******.

[ADude]

@ Everyone,

I have the feeling there are still a lot of bugs experienced/posted about on the forum by the users here that are not on the tracker.

Is the DVD Menu Cursor not highlighting bug in the tracker ?

It is documented extensively in my posts in this thread, including exactly where the regression happens, which alternate MPCs work and which don't, Casimir's theories about it, why some people do not experience it, etc.

As mentioned a few days back, it was not fixed in 1120 by the DVD changes made around that time.

[foxyshadis]

Obviously you don't know the thread you're posting in.
And obviously you're not interested in helping so why don't you just *******.

Struck for a flagrant violation of Rule 4. Keep it civil.

[boyumeow]

Please bare with tetsuo55 as he is mainly doing administrative works and linking everyone with the devs, while he knows some programming knowledge but not an expert. Precisely he is trying to pin-point the problems so that the devs could fix it or find better solutions. We are here to solve problems not create. So, please everyone try to bare with each others (not just MPC-HC devs but all devs). Thanks.

[pdanpdan]

I have a problem with AR in mkv files. x264 made video in mkv, created with AutoMKV, so it's the h264 stream marked with a SAR (--SAR flag to x264.exe). The flag was incorectly calculated at that time. Then I changed the DAR flag for the stream in mkv to the corect one.
Now the problem - in XPSP3, MPC-HC, VMR9 (both exclusive and not), internal h264 filter (both DXVA and not), with the READ AR FROM STREAM checked, the AR is wrong.
I thought that the order/priority is "read AR from conteiner" and if this fails "read AR from stream"?

Sample - http://sharebee.com/83769e1a

[Aleksoid1978]

I have a problem with AR in mkv files. x264 made video in mkv, created with AutoMKV, so it's the h264 stream marked with a SAR (--SAR flag to x264.exe). The flag was incorectly calculated at that time. Then I changed the DAR flag for the stream in mkv to the corect one.
Now the problem - in XPSP3, MPC-HC, VMR9 (both exclusive and not), internal h264 filter (both DXVA and not), with the READ AR FROM STREAM checked, the AR is wrong.
I thought that the order/priority is "read AR from conteiner" and if this fails "read AR from stream"?

upload short sample for test.

[Aleksoid1978]

Question to ALL : what you think about add to MPC-HC Windows 7 thumbnails features , for example(button on thubmnail) :
http://www.10pix.ru/img1/5053/100130.th.png (http://www.10pix.ru/view/5053/100130/)

[Snowknight26]

Would be a nice touch, but perhaps it's best to prioritize bugs over features at this point?

[littleD]

I have nice info for Ati users especially that own hd 4xxx series card. Read first:
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=106911&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=2
http://zachsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/ati-hd-hardware-accelerated-dxva-for.html?showComment=1244116797050#c3607905360067495148

Can anybody of ati owners test it just to clear if they can playback 5.1l files already?

[Kurtnoise]

Can anybody of ati owners test it just to clear if they can playback 5.1l files already?

General
Complete name : E:\TRASH\Suzumiya_Haruhi_no_Yuuutsu_-_C4_-_Special_Ending_-__Hitsuji__e569a2b7_.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 30.7 MiB
Duration : 1mn 11s
Overall bit rate : 3 580 Kbps
Movie name : The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Special Ending
Encoded date : UTC 2007-05-09 12:50:35
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.0.0 ('After The Rain Has Fallen') built on Jan 13 2007 19:58:56
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.0
Cover : Yes / Yes

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 11 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@5.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1mn 11s
Bit rate : 3 349 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 3 400 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Original frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.413
Stream size : 28.7 MiB (93%)
Title : The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Special Ending
Writing library : x264 core 54 svn-614M
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=esa / subme=7 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=1 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=3400 / ratetol=1.0 / rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.0:15.0
Language : Japanese

Audio
ID : 2
Format : Vorbis
Format settings, Floor : 1
Codec ID : A_VORBIS
Duration : 1mn 11s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 160 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 1.37 MiB (4%)
Title : 2ch Vorbis
Writing library : aoTuV Beta 4 (UTC 2005-06-17)
Language : Japanese

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : ASS
Codec ID : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Title : Styled ASS
Language : English

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : ASS
Codec ID : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Title : Styled ASS (Simple)
Language : English

Text #3
ID : 5
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : Plain SRT
Language : English


http://uppix.net/7/3/1/4a11f3eb8614e43eba2b9b5476ba7.png (http://uppix.net/7/3/1/4a11f3eb8614e43eba2b9b5476ba7.html) http://uppix.net/2/8/e/8db7fd8299bb51ae4e711937d90cd.png (http://uppix.net/2/8/e/8db7fd8299bb51ae4e711937d90cd.html) http://uppix.net/f/f/d/8294c38e13fafa41739f159fd3594tt.jpg (http://uppix.net/f/f/d/8294c38e13fafa41739f159fd3594.html)

[littleD]

Thx for fast response but this video actually was always played on ati. Try this one http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/132004/test_hd_9refs_high_l5.1.mp4
And the blogger say its only possile with newest powerdvd9.

EDIT: Naah... ok. I made 5.1l sample from another one posted around here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D6RYDCDB

[Kurtnoise]

well your sample doesn't use DXVA but I've one (http://www.mediafire.com/?kwhommmkhky) (HP@L5.1) it does...so, you cannot conclude.

[littleD]

Lol, indeed that one works. But i get very blocky picture. Is that low bitrate issue or my card (hd 3xxx).
Kurtnoise do you have more videos laying around to test? Just make sure ref frames exceed 4.1l limit for given resolution.

[tetsuo55]

Obviously you don't know the thread you're posting in.
And obviously you're not interested in helping so why don't you just *******.You're ignoring MPC-HC bug reporting rules (which is what the links in my signature are), you are also breaking doom9 rules. I am actually the MPC-HC project manager, so i know exactly what i'm doing.Is the DVD Menu Cursor not highlighting bug in the tracker ?

It is documented extensively in my posts in this thread, including exactly where the regression happens, which alternate MPCs work and which don't, Casimir's theories about it, why some people do not experience it, etc.

As mentioned a few days back, it was not fixed in 1120 by the DVD changes made around that time.This bug is not on the tracker, i cannot reproduce on my system, can you please add it?Question to ALL : what you think about add to MPC-HC Windows 7 thumbnails features , for example(button on thubmnail) :
http://www.10pix.ru/img1/5053/100130.th.png (http://www.10pix.ru/view/5053/100130/)That would be great, please add mute to the 3 buttons in the example.

[Kurtnoise]

Lol, indeed that one works. But i get very blocky picture. Is that low bitrate issue or my card (hd 3xxx).
yes...very low bitrate.

Kurtnoise do you have more videos laying around to test? Just make sure ref frames exceed 4.1l limit for given resolution.
after some more testings, all I can say (w/ Catalyst 9.5 + build 1150) that HP@L5.1 work w/ DXVA except all 1080(i/p).