Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[a_afra]

If you lurk around the AVSForum calibration threads, you'll find that most professional calibrators use a pure power curve around 2.35 - *however*, only for a batcave and only if your display has a really good native contrast ratio (e.g. newer JVC projectors). If you have *any* ambient light, or if your display is lacking in native contrast ratio, a 2.2 gamma curve might make more sense.

According to Poynton's paper (which was written in 2009/2010), studios are not quite batcaves: :)


* The reference display incorporates a power function (EOCF) with an exponent between 2.35 and 2.4.
* It has reference white luminance of between 80 cd/m^2 (EBU standard) and 120 cd/m^2 (SMPTE standard).
* It is viewed in diffuse illumination of about 100 lx in a dim surround having reflectance of about 18%, and surround luminance of about 5% of reference white.


Also:


Today’s studio reference displays have gamma very close to 2.4, reference white luminance of between 80 and 120 cd/m^2, and a contrast ratio of about 250:1. They are viewed with a dim surround, illuminated such that the surround luminance is about 5% of the reference white luminance.


If a gamma of 2.2 would make more users happy, I will make that the default value. In this case, 2.35 would become the "studio" value (instead of "recommended").

[Mercury_22]

According to Poynton's paper (which was written in 2009/2010), studios are not quite batcaves: :)



Also:



If a gamma of 2.2 would make more users happy, I will make that the default value. In this case, 2.35 would become the "studio" value (instead of "recommended").

I think that more documented explanations will make the users happy (wiki) not changing the default (if you're right :))

[a_afra]

NVIDIA Quadro does suuport 10-bit output in OpenGL, but Both Quadro and GeForce does support 10-bit output in D3D10, that I had comfired through run the 10-bit scan-out demo that included in MS DX SDK with DELL U2410 use Displayport/HD15 input.

Strange. I will try to get some official info about this. Are you sure it's true 10-bit, not some 10 to 8 bit dithering stuff?

[edison]

If you had downloaded the DX SDK, I think you have better try it , I can not tell is it true 10 bit or just 10-bit to 8 bit dithering , because the transition of gray scale is smooth when switch to 10-bit full screen mode using both NVIDIA/ATI DX10 game cards.

[a_afra]

If you had downloaded the DX SDK, I think you have better try it , I can not tell is it true 10 bit or just 10-bit to 8 bit dithering , because the transition of gray scale is smooth when switch to 10-bit full screen mode using both NVIDIA/ATI DX10 game cards.

I've just tried it out. I get banding with the 10-bit mode, so it seems that the GeForce really does support true 10-bit. :) This is good news. Thanks for the info! Too bad that it is not available in DX9 and OpenGL.

[decapitado]

I've just tried it out. I get banding with the 10-bit mode, so it seems that the GeForce really does support true 10-bit. :) This is good news. Thanks for the info! Too bad that it is not available in DX9 and OpenGL.
So for the nvidia dx10 users what is the best option to use in MPC? Should we activate the 10bit option or it´s useless?

[edison]

So for the nvidia dx10 users what is the best option to use in MPC? Should we activate the 10bit option or it´s useless?

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/mediafoundationdevelopment/thread/7ab87c63-afa1-40f6-a0ed-a4ae5e00296d

The short answer is that currently Media Foundation and DXVA only work with DirectX 9.

[decapitado]

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/mediafoundationdevelopment/thread/7ab87c63-afa1-40f6-a0ed-a4ae5e00296d
Ok, let´s wait then.
Thanks :)

[MPC-HTPC]

The link edison provided also leads to this thread as an effort to answer the question:

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/mediafoundationdevelopment/thread/fca0821f-8b5c-4722-bb59-844aef98f887

And this thread points to a library that takes care of the synchronization between D3D9 and D3D10/11:

http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/D3D9ExDXGISharedSurf

Is this of any use a_afra? Although MPC-HC isn't using Media Foundation IIRC, so this maybe does not help.

[alexins]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 2331 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player-classic-home-cinema-x86-x64/media-player-classic-homecinema-x86-x64-svn-2331.html)

[sawg]

See Two Audio.

Audio
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Codec ID : racp
Codec ID/Info : Real Player 10
Duration : 50mn 0s
Bit rate : 96.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 34.3 MiB (15%)

Audio
ID : 0
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Codec ID : raac
Codec ID/Info : Real Player 9
Duration : 24mn 15s
Bit rate : 96.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 16.7 MiB (13%)

--------------

When use Internal Filters (RealMedia, RealVideo and RealAudio)
Real Player 10(racp) use ffdshow. (External Filter)
Real Player 9(raac) use RealAudio decoder. (Internal Filter)

When use External Filters (RealMediaSplitter.ax)
Real Player 10(racp) use ffdshow. (External Filter)
Real Player 9(raac) use ffdshow. (External Filter)

Why the difference?

[Px]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 2331 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player-classic-home-cinema-x86-x64/media-player-classic-homecinema-x86-x64-svn-2331.html)
Info on "Полный лог изменений / Changes log" on that link is outdated

[niksus]

Some mov videos are not playing at all with the builds @www.xvidvideo.ru after 2235.
Example: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actsofviolence/ @720p (downloading with MOV Download Tool from QT Lite)

[XhmikosR]

@niksus: r2235 cannot be the cause, so find which revision was the last which worked. Test the latest ffdshow too. Lastly, I won't install QT Lite to get the sample so provide a mirror.

[niksus]

@XhmikosR: Sorry for misleading you - I've already tested the builds @www.xvidvideo.ru and the one named 2235 is the last working fine. I don't use ffdshow.
Here is the sample: http://www.mediafire.com/?3vdux5oin4eh5xe

[XhmikosR]

@niksus: the sample plays fine with the latest rev from the trunk with the internal FFmpeg decoder. I cannot try DXVA though. And you can find various builds in the link in my signature so you can test.

[Aleksoid1978]

@XhmikosR: Sorry for misleading you - I've already tested the builds @www.xvidvideo.ru and the one named 2235 is the last working fine. I don't use ffdshow.
Here is the sample: http://www.mediafire.com/?3vdux5oin4eh5xe

Play fine with internal splitter and filter, DXVA work ok.

[alexins]

Info on "Полный лог изменений / Changes log" on that link is outdated

... fully updated. :)

[roytam1]

about Color Management, in my setup I found that the color blocks become more visible when I enable Color Management.

XP SP3 / ATi x1950 Pro 256MB / Catalyst 10.3 legacy / DELL 2007FP with shipped ICM installed and activated.

Off:
http://a.imageshack.us/img697/6039/mpchccmoff.th.png (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/mpchccmoff.png/)

On:
http://a.imageshack.us/img268/8836/mpchccmon.th.png (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/mpchccmon.png/)

[Aleksoid1978]

I have a crash when use - Full Floating Point Processing and try Shader On.

P.S. - if disable FFPP, set Shader On and then enabled FFPP - all work, but then disable/enable Shader - crash too.

Crash on - Win 7 x86, VS2008 and VS2010 x86 build, Intel G33/31 video.
Don't crash - Win 7 x64, VS2008 and VS2010 x86 build, ATI 5770 video.

[a_afra]

about Color Management, in my setup I found that the color blocks become more visible when I enable Color Management.


I have a crash when use - Full Floating Point Processing and try Shader On.


In both cases, the problem is caused by FP16 texture support which is necessary for the color management and FFPP features. The Radeon doesn't support FP16 filtering. That's why you can see banding. However, the Intel doesn't support FP16 textures at all. If you enable only FFPP, it won't do anything, because no temporary textures are needed. So it's not surprising that it crashes for you if you enable some custom shaders.

Thanks for reporting! Unfortunately I have to add code to disable these for such GPUs.

[fastplayer]

Commit 2339 broke "something" in the Filters|Audio Switcher and Audio sub menus. What was it supposed to fix/improve in the first place?

Edit: The redundant sub menus appear only when using Haali Media Splitter. With MPC's internal splitters everything looks fine.

Edit#2: Post-2239: http://www.imageupload.org/image.php?id=0805_4C750762&jpg

Edit#3: Pre-2239: http://www.imageupload.org/image.php?id=A453_4C750D90&jpg

[XhmikosR]

@fastplayer: what do you mean broke something? Aleksoid removed the filename from that menu. So now you see "Stream 01" instead of "MyVideo.avi / Stream 01"

[fastplayer]

I don't know what's causing it. HMS probably passes down stream info differently...

[XhmikosR]

I see what you mean now with the Haali splitter. Indeed it's broken.

[fastplayer]

It's weird because I see only simple string manipulation in rev2339. :confused:

[Reino]

I don't visit this thread every day, so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.
Today I upgraded from 1.3.2128.0, which was still a MSVC2008 build I believe, to the newest one on xvidvideo.ru 1.3.2331.0, which appears to be a MSVC2010 build. Is it normal the program crashes immediately with VMR-9 (renderless), 3D surfaces and Bicubic A=-1.00 (PS 2.0) upon starting a video (no matter what kind), and crashes after ±15sec with VMR-9 (renderless), Regular offscreen plain surface and Nearest neighbor?
(I'm using WinXP SP3 on a AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (no SSE2 support), 1GB DDR400 RAM and an ATi Radeon HD3850)

The MSVC2008 builds from XhmikosR appear to be working fine for me though.

[fastplayer]

Is it normal the program crashes immediately with VMR-9 (renderless), 3D surfaces and Bicubic A=-1.00 (PS 2.0) upon starting a video (no matter what kind), and crashes after ±15sec with VMR-9 (renderless), Regular offscreen plain surface and Nearest neighbor?
Yes, it is.

[MPC-HTPC]

@ CoRoNe: To be a little bit more specific, this problem happens on all CPUs that only support SSE, like AthlonXP. The error you are having is caused by a bug in MSVC 2010, which will maybe solved by the upcoming Service Pack or with the next major release.
Just stick with the MSVC 2008 builds from XhmikosR and everything should be fine.

If you want more information about this, then please have a look at the post from GTPVHD (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1427868#post1427868), who provided this information.

[Reino]

Thanks for the info, MPC-HTPC!

[communist]

BUG) Open two mpc-hc windows, change settings in window 1, click ok and exit window 1, close window 2. Upon restarting mpc-hc you will see settings wern't saved (or in fact window 2 resaved old settings on close). I suggest moving settings saving away from window close code.

This is a common behaviour among all kind of apps. Close instance A, settings saved. Close instance B, settings of instance B (= same as when instance B was started) get saved - overwriting settings of instance A.

[Polcius]

Yeah, it seems so. But the good news is that if you've created an ICC profile for the display, the only thing you have to do is to enable the color management option in MPC, then forget it. Otherwise, leave it turned off. Basically, this is all you have to know.

Ok, much clearer, you should put this on the wiki.

[alexins]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 2345 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/media-player-classic-home-cinema-x86-x64/media-player-classic-homecinema-x86-x64-svn-2345.html)

Changes (2232-2345): (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/logi-izmeneniy/log-izmeneniy-media-player-classic-homecinema.html)

Fix : don't hide controls in full screen does not work unless you move the mouse, ticket #680;
whitespace cleanup, updated changelog;
update Japanese translation. (Font change);
update Chinese and Japanese translations of custom messages;
Update : installer - russian translation;
Change : build.bat and build_2010.bat - different VC environment for x86 and x64, x64 different on x86 and x64 system);
Change : MPEGSplitter, Properties, Pit OUT - modify stream list for better visual perception;
Change : AudioSwitcher, remove file name for internal audio stream in list;
Added MediaInfoLib (v0.7.34) (there's no need for MediaInfo.dll anymore);
Specify the right TargetName for mpcresources vs2010 build;
Specify the right TargetName for mpc-hc x64 vs2010 build;
update Chinese and Japanese translation. (remove the mentioning of morgan switcher);
removed morgan switcher reference from Audio Switcher.

[Mercury_22]

For ATI users interested in the 10-bit RGB : last working Catalyst = no black screen when enable 10-bit RGB Input is 10.5a (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATI-Catalyst-Hotfix.aspx)

Please report this to http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3 maybe if more people will report the problem they will fix it

[edigee]

For ATI users interested in the 10-bit RGB : last working Catalyst = no black screen when enable 10-bit RGB Input is 10.5a (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATI-Catalyst-Hotfix.aspx)

Please report this to http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3 maybe if more people will report the problem they will fix it

No problem here with 10.7 and my ancient HD 3650! I mean 10-bit RGB is working fine .
On the other side the "force 10bit RGB feature" is working for most H264/AVC 720p or 10180p videos. Not working for 720p and 1080p DivX or xvid videos.

[SamuriHL]

Someone should try it with 10.8 as it appears to be out now.

[GrofLuigi]

Build 2331 from xvidvideo.ru (and possibly a few more back):

Go to Options > Audio Switcher page, don't touch anything, exit by pressing OK.

The AudioBoost value in ini file is reduced by one.

GL

[Snowknight26]

Someone should try it with 10.8 as it appears to be out now.

Still black.

On an unrelated note, the message indicating that MPC-HC has lost focus to <window title> isn't always correct. Just happened to me with a Steam window that had (2 of 2) in the title but MPC-HC wrote (%item% of %total%) or something to that effect.

[sansnom05]

Build 2331 from xvidvideo.ru (and possibly a few more back):

Go to Options > Audio Switcher page, don't touch anything, exit by pressing OK.

The AudioBoost value in ini file is reduced by one.

GL

Actually, as long as you don't set boost at min/max, everytime you exit mpc-hc, if you check registry or in your case .ini, you will most likely get different AudioBoost value. That's due to a float -> int round up in source file. If anyone else found that annoying, I could provide a patch.

[cengizhan]

10 bit rgb working with 10.7 and 10.8 (4850)

[Mercury_22]

10 bit rgb working with 10.7 and 10.8 (4850)
So you don't get black screen when enable "Force 10-bit RGB Input" and "10-bit RGB Output" ?
And you also have
Surface A2R10G10B10 Backbuffer A2R10G10B10 Display A2R10G10B10 ?

Just a question :
Why MPCVideoDec project's "Additional Library Directories" are not already set in the SVN to For Win32 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib;$(MINGW32)\lib\gcc\i686-pc-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW32)\i686-pc-mingw32\lib\
For x64 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib64;$(MINGW64)\lib\gcc\x86_64-w64-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW64)\x86_64-w64-mingw32\lib\ ? And those who want to use other mingw will just have to update their directories

[betaking]

Just a question :
Why MPCVideoDec project's "Additional Library Directories" are not already set in the SVN to For Win32 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib;$(MINGW32)\lib\gcc\i686-pc-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW32)\i686-pc-mingw32\lib\
For x64 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib64;$(MINGW64)\lib\gcc\x86_64-w64-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW64)\x86_64-w64-mingw32\lib\ ? And those who want to use other mingw will just have to update their directories
Yes,i have same question?
If the content is updated each time update ffmpeg, then, for example:
Revision 2349 - Directory Listing
Modified Wed Aug 25 23:17:34 2010 UTC (8 hours, 58 minutes ago) by xhmikosr
updated ffmpeg
When I use TortoiseSVN to recompile the updated code. Play MKV MP4 AVI format by MPCVideoDec.ax mpc-hc will be Crash. But if I use TortoiseSVN to download the complete code re-1 re-compile. Play without any problems. Excuse me, I did wrong? Thank you!

[edigee]

So you don't get black screen when enable "Force 10-bit RGB Input" and "10-bit RGB Output" ?


Working for me too(10.7 and 10.8). But only for H264/AVC videos and Mpeg 2 videos(tested only with 720p and 1080p ones). Not working with DivX and Xvid HD videos , not with a blackscreen but with someting like this guy has:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428597#post1428597

[Mercury_22]

Working for me too(10.7 and 10.8). But only for H264/AVC videos and Mpeg 2 videos(tested only with 720p and 1080p ones). Not working with DivX and Xvid HD videos , not with a blackscreen but with someting like this guy has:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1428597#post1428597

So you have Surface A2R10G10B10 Backbuffer A2R10G10B10 Display A2R10G10B10 ? or you're just talking about the black screen ?
What OS are you using and what filters ?

[XhmikosR]

Just a question :
Why MPCVideoDec project's "Additional Library Directories" are not already set in the SVN to For Win32 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib;$(MINGW32)\lib\gcc\i686-pc-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW32)\i686-pc-mingw32\lib\
For x64 platform $(OutDir);$(SolutionDir)lib64;$(MINGW64)\lib\gcc\x86_64-w64-mingw32\4.5.1;$(MINGW64)\x86_64-w64-mingw32\lib\ ? And those who want to use other mingw will just have to update their directories
Yes,i have same question?
If the content is updated each time update ffmpeg, then, for example:
Revision 2349 - Directory Listing
Modified Wed Aug 25 23:17:34 2010 UTC (8 hours, 58 minutes ago) by xhmikosr
updated ffmpeg
When I use TortoiseSVN to recompile the updated code. Play MKV MP4 AVI format by MPCVideoDec.ax mpc-hc will be Crash. But if I use TortoiseSVN to download the complete code re-1 re-compile. Play without any problems. Excuse me, I did wrong? Thank you!
You make no sense whatsoever to me. Always do a full rebuild.

[Kaotech]

What's the advantage to use 10 Bit RGB ?

[Polcius]

What's the advantage to use 10 Bit RGB ?

+1.

And floating point?

[asarian]

I'm trying to get %$%#$%^& Windows 7 to do something it should have done out of box: to play and support LPCM audio.

So, I downloaded the standalone filters for MPC, and ran a command like:

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\regsvr32.exe MPCVideoDec.ax

(After having coped the file there, of course). This does nothing for my LPCM audio, though. So, which filter do I need to register to get LPCM supported?

Thanks.

[MPC-HTPC]

@ Kaotech & Polcius:

Please refer to the respective points in the Wiki-Article to learn more about the newly introduced renderer settings by a_afra:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/New_Renderer_Settings

[Kurtnoise]

Can we have some highlights why the Morgan Stream Switcher has been removed ?

:thanks: