Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[MatMaul]

hello !


I have a problem with this MPC build.
when I want to play an ac3 file, it doesn't play : ligos MPEG splitter is charged as filter (??) and ffdshow (which is my ac3 decoder) isn't charged.
With last celtic_druid build, no problem, ffdshow is charged and the file is playing fine.
I''ll compile soon a new build.
Any news ?

[clsid]

Gabest is to busy with his regular work at the moment to work on MPC.

This build of MPC is not really a modified version. It is a plain SVN build (rev.611) with a handful of small patches thrown in. A few patches to update some of the external libs and a few small bugfixes.

Don't expect any developments. However, anyone is free to submit patches to fix/improve things in MPC.

[_xxl]

New unicode mpc build:
updated dtsac3source

[wyrd]

Thank you for your works:)
mirrored here (http://tirnanog.fate.jp/mirror/Misc%20(not%20by%20celtic_druid)/guliverkli-drevil_xxl/20070325/guliverkli.rev611.bin.unicode.03.25.07.rar)

[MatMaul]

thanks, it works fine !

[3ngel]

@ drevil_xxl:
Can you do a little modification and do a new build?

The modification resides simply in adding to the dialogs of this window (on the "Browse" buttons)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/685/34372612dv1.png

Adding the ".avs" to the filters of "Open" dialog,
and ".ac3" to the "Dub" open dialog.

It's really a 2 min modification but it would be REALLY useful.

Thank you very much.

[anonova]

What exactly does YUV mixing in the VMR setting do? It doesn't have a tooltip over it explaining what it is.

[foxyshadis]

There's some speedup by doing certain operations in YUV prior to conversion to RGB instead of afterward, since there's less data involved. There are a lot of restrictions on this mode, but for the most part they don't impact MPC, which only uses one output stream anyway. The main restriction you'd care about is that it doesn't work with ffdshow's queuing.

For more information: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms788177.aspx

[freeman3]

other applications can cause mpc to quit from full screen. can someone fix this?

[Carpo]

im giving this prgram a go as i am finding that all windows wmp are slow and mem hugry as is powerdvd 7.3 - thing is can you open a dvd from the hard drive like you could with powerdvd ? folder -> audio_ts video_ts ? also how do you get nvidia puervide dvd decoder to work woth mpc ?

sorry if this has been covered before

[Leak]

im giving this prgram a go as i am finding that all windows wmp are slow and mem hugry as is powerdvd 7.3 - thing is can you open a dvd from the hard drive like you could with powerdvd ? folder -> audio_ts video_ts?
Just open the VIDEO_TS.IFO file with MPC and it'll play the folder's contents as a DVD.

also how do you get nvidia puervide dvd decoder to work woth mpc ?
Can't really help you with that as all I use is ffdshow, but try disabling MPC's MPEG2 decoder in the options and it should get used automatically...

Look in "Play/Filters" in the menu (or just "Filters" in the context menu) to see which filters actually get used, and click on any of them to configure it.

np: Dosh - Everybody Cheer Up Song (The Lost Take)

[Delerue]

also how do you get nvidia puervide dvd decoder to work woth mpc ?

Just install PureVideo and disable MPC MPEG2 internal filters. Piece of cake. ;)

[Carpo]

i will give that a go - thanks (to all) :)

[freeman3]

do you have problems with exiting from full screen too?

[HeadBangeR77]

do you have problems with exiting from full screen too?

Nope, but I've got some problems with seeking. I've configured all possible short-cuts, and they work fine for some time, both in windowed and fullscreen mode, so I don't think they could get in conflict with any other short-cuts from any other application. After some time, or after some seeking operations, they stop working. The latest build tends to do that earlier and after a shorter period of time than the previous one, so I had to switch back to an older compilation. Anyone else having this issue?

cheers,
HDBR77

PS. I would like to stress the above happens while watching. I don't launch any other single application or process in the meantime.

[Delerue]

Nope, but I've got some problems with seeking. I've configured all possible short-cuts, and they work fine for some time, both in windowed and fullscreen mode, so I don't think they could get in conflict with any other short-cuts from any other application. After some time, or after some seeking operations, they stop working. The latest build tends to do that earlier and after a shorter period of time than the previous one, so I had to switch back to an older compilation. Anyone else having this issue?

cheers,
HDBR77

PS. I would like to stress the above happens while watching. I don't launch any other single application or process in the meantime.

I don't know if this can help you, but I can't do a framestep back with these last builds; only framestep (forward). No matter what keys I choose. :(

[foxyshadis]

When was the last build you could do a framestep with? It hasn't worked for me since I started using MPC, and that was several official releases back. (Almost a year and a half ago?) Most likely the bug cropped up at some point there.

[Leak]

When was the last build you could do a framestep with? It hasn't worked for me since I started using MPC, and that was several official releases back. (Almost a year and a half ago?) Most likely the bug cropped up at some point there.
That might also have to something to do with the fact that DirectShow doesn't support stepping back; all you can do is seek back some amount of time and pray it's going to equate a framestep back.

But with all the seeking and decoding involved therein (i.e. going up to 300 frames back on a video with a large I-frame distance and then decoding 299 frames ahead to go one frame back) I'm not sure it would be useable anyway; by the time you get to the previous frame you'll most probably will have hit the back key repeatedly, thinking it didn't register...

np: Radiohead - Lewis (Mistreated) (My Iron Lung EP)

[Delerue]

When was the last build you could do a framestep with? It hasn't worked for me since I started using MPC, and that was several official releases back. (Almost a year and a half ago?) Most likely the bug cropped up at some point there.

It's not like that. Some videos allow framestep back; framestep forward it's possible with all videos that I tested. But other videos (with different codecs, even still using FFDShow) can't. I noticed that with DivX and xVid MPC do the job well, but with MPEG2 and H.264 doesn't. Weird, ahn?

[chros]

It's not like that. Some videos allow framestep back; framestep forward it's possible with all videos that I tested. But other videos (with different codecs, even still using FFDShow) can't. I noticed that with DivX and xVid MPC do the job well, but with MPEG2 and H.264 doesn't. Weird, ahn?
Confirmed.
XviD material works fine with: xvid decoder, ffdshow's libavcodec, ffdshow xvid codec.
But not working with H.264 content at all: not with CoreAVC, and not with ffdshow' libavcodec.
But, in all cases, the SHIFT+arrows (go to keyframes) are working (if the internal splitters are used), not working with mpeg2, wmv materials ...

So it's clear that the decoder is responsible for this ...

[HeadBangeR77]

When was the last build you could do a framestep with? It hasn't worked for me since I started using MPC, and that was several official releases back. (Almost a year and a half ago?) Most likely the bug cropped up at some point there.
Hello,
I've finally found some time to test the seeking and frame-stepping, as for now thoroughly with XviD (various builds) and DivX (3 Low Motion, 5.2, 5.2.1, 6.0, 6.2, 6.3). I'm using the build from the 5th of March (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=966161#post966161) atm. Seeking works as I described above, only the above described behaviour, when the short-cuts stop working, happens very seldom.

Frame-stepping works for me in both directions: forward without any fuss, backwards with one little problem - it goes 2 frames back after a short while, then it starts to work as it should - I can go back every single frame. One very important thing (!!!): I've been using the M$ AVI splitter, not the build-in one. I could risk a statement it works well with every AVI file I've tested so far, so it could /might be the built-in splitter issue (?).

After some very quick tests with AVC (in mkv and mp4 containers, Haali Splitter) - seeking is harder in general, and is much worse with b-frame pyramid enabled, however I think there isn't much anyone could do about it (?). Frame-stepping works well forwards, backwards doesn't want to work at all.

I can confirm chros's observations as to jumping to key frames (I just had a quick look at some mpge2 & wmv material).

cheers,
HDBR77

[hdboy]

can a remote control be used with MPC? I watch movies on my TV and it's a pain to run to the computer to pause and play. I guess I could get a wireless mouse but it's not as user friendly for the rest of the household.

[chros]

can a remote control be used with MPC?
Of course, through the standard WindowsMessages: you need an another application (eg. Girder) and a physical unit which receives your (eg.) IR remote control signals, then send messages to the specific application.

I'm using an iMON (mine is Thermaltake MediaLab, but it's the same), they provided a software to it, but I'm using Girder (which can be not easy to program).

[Pyr0]

Anyone know why Vista does not see MPC as an active application when playing video?
The screensaver and/or monitor powersave modes kick in while watching video :confused:

would anyone happen to know of any fixes or workarounds that do not involve disabling the screesaver or monitor time out?

or would it be possible to add some kind of command or switch to the MPC compile? *shrug*

[burfadel]

I think Media Player Classic has two problems. The first being there's a large proportion of people that think its the old normal Windows Media Player, so they think why use that when I can use WMP 11 etc. A rename to MPC may help.

The second issue, and this is an important one as well, people are seriously put off by the interface. It needs to be updated to a modern styling and not one thats from Windows 3.1/95 days. The new interface won't take the spirit away from the programme, that is a very compact, fast, reliable media player, whilst attracting more people to use it. Many people don't use it just because the interface is um... ultra bland? to put it nicely. A revised interface, graphical shaded play buttons, smooth gradient colour etc thats adjustable will go a long way and won't add too much to the code if done correctly, nor would it slow it down.

Something along the lines of the 'revert' or 'corporate' skin on WMP11, but more updated because I'm sure people have good artistic taste! Some Vista styling would help too!

A version change to 6.5 could be done for this. There's no reason for keeping it at 6.4.9.0. There's so many versions going around called 6.4.9.0 its quite well, silly.

All these changes don't take away from the spirit of the programme and will keep it alive in the future. Failure to update the name, version numbering, and most importantly the interface will mean the programme will slowly die and only a few people who have been using it for a while will remain to use it.

The sooner this is done the better, as if you leave it too long even current users will revert to other media players, inferior or not, and the process of a dying programme project will begion!

Other things that need changing are the progamme dialogue boxes, such as the setup stuff, just needs a little modernising.

The other issue is using wildcards when opening a programme. Normally in the open file dialogue in other media players and programmes when you use a wildcard. ie. *traders* it will show all media files or other files with the word or part thereof of 'traders' in it. In MPC, it will open these files, some of which you may not want. This should be changed!

I hope I didn't sound too negative, I just want this to a be a successful programme for a long time and in its current state, especially with the interface and name, it won't be.

[GrofLuigi]

The second issue, and this is an important one as well, people are seriously put off by the interface. It needs to be updated to a modern styling and not one thats from Windows 3.1/95 days.

I disagree. I'm put off by any program that uses a skin. :) Draw me a button to click on, I don't need rounded borders.

But seriously, you have some valid points. Too bad the original author doesn't have time to update it.

GL

[burfadel]

True! but yeah, a balance between simplicity and modernisation. Those skins I mentioned in WMP11 aren't the best, their styling is a bit off but they are simple which is the main point. I'm sure their are others that would continue on with its development if encouraged, and if it were well received. The problem like with many things is that its not being encouragengly developed because of the usage, and its usage is low because its not being encouragengly developed. Its a big winner because of its size, practicality, simplicity (one file), and performance, something which the new modern alternatives lack, but its drawback is its name, version numbering and interface all of which would only add a few hundred at most kb to the file size!

[clsid]

Imho the simple interface is one of the things that makes MPC so great.

[sheppaul]

It really depends on your taste. :)

As for me, simple is the best. :D

[Leak]

Imho the simple interface is one of the things that makes MPC so great.
Quoted For Truth(TM)...

np: Hug - Fluteorgie (Heroes)

[B.Slisk]

While the idea of skinning sounds great at first it does introduce un needed complexity to the code.

For those who desperately need their media player with a My little Pony theme there's loads of alternatives. VLC, WinAMP, WMP11 (the horror! (sorry)), Zoom Player, and about a gazillion others will allow you to reconfigure the UI and apply what ever kind of skin you can dream up.

If it was up for a vote I'd be in the KISS! (Keep It Simple Stupid!) camp. Imho there's quite enough fluff in the WMP UI as is. (XP-theming on the player controls? *shuder*)

[hdboy]

I don't have a problem with a simple UI. There's no need for a fancy skin, but I do wish the buttons and slider were bigger. Espdcially in 1920x1080, the small slider gives me a really small target to hit. I would not object to making the sliders and buttons larger and more attractice.


I also agree re the branding problem (I originally thought it was a hack of MS's old mplayer2.exe). But the most serious problem is active development. This is not a crticism of celtic_druid and others who are providing valuable patches, but I'd really like to see active development and improvement. For example, I'd love to see hddvd and bluray support -- navigation and playback of DECRYPTED content. I say decrypted b/c I understand the process for getting approval from the governing bodies is pretty onerous and expensive. also, some simple UI improvement like how about when you mouse over the slider or drag it, you get a pop up of the time position, like this

1:02:20
V

I'd love to do it except I'm just a dumb java/database programmer and don't know squat about graphics and stuff. Plus I assume MPC is written in C and man writing windows code in C is really painful.

[joseph5]

I originally thought it was a hack of MS's old mplayer2.exeSo did I.
I think that a skin interface could be optional to the user, like in VLC. Or maybe the developers could make a poll to see how many people want skins and how many don't.

[madshi]

Please don't add skinning support. Don't want such useless stuff. It can only slow things down. MPC's interface is simple and clean and it should stay that way. Let other players become bloatware, but please not MPC.

[Atak_Snajpera]

I agree with madshi! MPC must stay clean and simple. BTW It looks very nice on vista :)

[foxyshadis]

My problem with the current design is that gabest willfully limited himself to MS's bad original design and hamstrung the ability to make a somewhat better UI. Not that I particularly think later WMPs were any better, most were worse, but being less ugly than the leading competition shouldn't be the end of the line. There are both major and minor things I've never liked about the old-fashioned interface, but none are really enough to get me working on it, so I guess they can't be that bad. :D

You can make a great looking player without compromising the simplicity and light weight of MPC - I would point to GOM player as an example. (Unless you really hate orange, but don't tell Andrei Herasimchuk that.)

[burfadel]

I didn't mean a skinnable player! That would take away from the simplicity of the programme, which is one of its strengths. I just meant a single, more attractive interface with say a nice shaded blue instead of beige, much bigger buttons (yes rounded, lol), and buttons that change colour when the mouse moves over it. Similar to wmp, but say red for stop, green for play, yellow for pause, and orange for previous/next. This will attract many people to use it along with the name and version change. It doesn't matter if the core of the programme remains the same. At the moment its like having a Lamborghini engine and drivetrain in a pimped out Hyundai Excel (hypothetically). It still goes like a shower of s..t but most people would still go for the Lamborghini.

[foxyshadis]

That sounds more like a Super Famicom controller. =p

Btw, for anyone who hasn't seen the basic Gom Player interface:
http://foxyshadis.slightlydark.com/random/gomplayer.png
The orange is.... quite orange, yes, (you can swap in your own image) and I don't care as much for the "standard" skins, but I love this basic skin. I don't know whether any of the internals are derived out of MPC, though some is definitely ffmpeg; it's certainly quite feature-similar, in a much nicer package.

[Delerue]

Imho the simple interface is one of the things that makes MPC so great.

Yeah! I agree.

Please, DEVs, don't change the interface to something like WMP >=10.

[burfadel]

Yeah the GOM interface looks quite good. Something like that would be ideal! But I do like the idea of the button changing colour!

I don't mean WMP11 etc interface, just something non-win 3.11/95 like the above example!

[GrofLuigi]

Since there are many ppl with oposite opinions, maybe the solution would be to build an addon - to be used only by ones who want it? Something like mplayer/mpui... Wow, at the end it'll turn out THAT's the best route :)

GL

[SealTooGreat]

Has anybody seen KMPlayer "Leaf Vista" skin (http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/downloadz//leaf_player_WIb.png)? :cool:

[clsid]

At this moment there are no developers working on MPC. So it is pretty much pointless to philosophize about all kinds of (major) changes.

[Rash]

Ah, might I add a suggestion? Could Drevil update his first post when releasing new builds? Thank you, Drevil. :)

[burfadel]

I know people have been saying one thing that makes MPC great is its simple interface, and I would have to agree with that! The problem is its very old look is putting off new people using this great player, and without new people using it the player will die off, which is already happening. There aren't people actively working on it much because there aren't many people using it! I think if its interface and name was modernised (even MPC player), and a new numbering system like I suggested earlier, and 'free advertising' (that is, make sure every download site has it) then its use will pick up significantly.

People should type 'media player' in the search engine or in a download site and MPC player should come up. People will go 'WOW that looks good, it has good reviews, I'll try that'! At the moment if it does come up they go 'bleh, why would anyone want to use that'.

Another example of this is the image view Irfanview, its great but with an old interface it puts new people off using it.

In short:
PEOPLE ARE SUPERFICIAL!

They will go for the best looking player, not the best player! - athough they will tend to skip bloatware unless they're quicktime etc lovers!

[MLS]

Any UI change that doesn't keep the time slider full screen is a no in my book.

I wouldn't mind a slightly different UI as long as it is just as responsive as the current one, and maybe cleans up the menus a bit. Everything else seems fine to me.

The fancy skinned crap with the giant glass buttons is not my style.

/MLS

[amt]

Shouldn't we be more worried about core development. If and when AACS is defeated and we can play our highdef-discs with free software and if this isn't implemented in MPC we will be forced to use others players and MPC usage will definitely decline.

[foxyshadis]

MPC doesn't currently do DeCSS and you can play DVDs just fine. Just use an external filter for the decrypting like you already have to. Alternately, AnyDVD for HD.

Further user interface discussion is fairly pointless until someone decides to do something with the (good) suggestions, though.

[Egh]

Apart from skinning, I dont' think MPC requires any core development at the moment. But patching bugs and issues as soon as they appear is needed.

IMO ffshow video/audio + haali splitter virtually transfered 80% of all features from mpc to those abovementioned DS filters.

If i was bovvered with any software development, I'd probably do MPC Uberlite, with all internal codecs, file splitters, audio switcher removed, and probably skin support added.

MPC powerful subtitles are though to remain, that is until Haali finally does his own sub renderer :XP

[burfadel]

MPC doesn't currently do DeCSS and you can play DVDs just fine. Just use an external filter for the decrypting like you already have to. Alternately, AnyDVD for HD.

Further user interface discussion is fairly pointless until someone decides to do something with the (good) suggestions, though.

Too true!

You can have a modernised UI that still basic, my main point was something a bit more attractive, whilst still being simple to attract new people to using this great player. With more people using it (through a combination of number, name, and UI change) people who can programme would be more willing to input time in to developing it instead of just using VLC or something (which is also a great player but is a little more intensive).