Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[MPC-HTPC]

Hi tetsuo,

I tried to reproduce the problem you described because I still have Windows XP, but my MPC-HC does not crash when I do a lot of seeking in a video (also MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 files). Furthermore I cannot download the debug build from Mediafire since their servers seem to be busy: "NOTICE: No servers are currently available with the requested data on them. Please retry your request in a moment."

Since I am waiting for Mediafire to work, can you please point me to some video sample where that error definetly occurs, so I can continue trying to reproduce it.

[hajj_3]

tetsuo55: Are you going to make a feature freeze for MPC-HC soon and just concentrate on fixing bugs so that you can release a stable build to the MPC-HC official site so that the general public will get a newer build than: 1.3.1249.0 which was released over 1 YEAR ago?

[niksus]

I have some problem with adding external filters (using latest x64 build on win7). After the codec installation is complete, it doesn't appear in External Filters list in options/add filter. First time it happened with ffdshow, but I didn't payed much attention, as it was possible to add it manually using browse. Now I'm installing Real Alternative Lite to play some .rmvb's and can't really make it work. What might be wrong with my config? Here's my .ini (http://www.mediafire.com/?ddpwp14ik0mis8q), if it'll do any good.

[XhmikosR]

@niksus: 64bit players will only use 64bit filters. Use the 32bit build.

[niksus]

Thank you, never would've thought about that.

[tetsuo55]

Hi tetsuo,

I tried to reproduce the problem you described because I still have Windows XP, but my MPC-HC does not crash when I do a lot of seeking in a video (also MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 files). Furthermore I cannot download the debug build from Mediafire since their servers seem to be busy: "NOTICE: No servers are currently available with the requested data on them. Please retry your request in a moment."

Since I am waiting for Mediafire to work, can you please point me to some video sample where that error definetly occurs, so I can continue trying to reproduce it.The problem is easiest to reproduce with mpeg-ts files, but i dont have a sample myself, plenty of tickets on the trackers should have one.tetsuo55: Are you going to make a feature freeze for MPC-HC soon and just concentrate on fixing bugs so that you can release a stable build to the MPC-HC official site so that the general public will get a newer build than: 1.3.1249.0 which was released over 1 YEAR ago?We're on the verge of releasing a stable build :)

[namaiki]

I found out a third issue with DXVA.

When I try to play the sample below an H.264 L4.2 - 1080p60fps file in DXVA mode, I can't go over 35fps.

Latest MPC-HC x86, latest FFDShow DXVA

I have the same problem to every 1080p60fps H.264 file (L4.1-L4.2-L5.1) I try.

In WMP12, I get 58-60fps

Sample here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/415777315/ken_ross_02-1920x1080_60fpsRef4.mts.html

I haven't had a chance to download that giant sample, but what resizer do you have selected for EVR/VMR9? Does it still lag if you select just the Bilinear resizer(not PS 2.0), or perhaps is that what is already selected?

[NikosD]

I haven't had a chance to download that giant sample, but what resizer do you have selected for EVR/VMR9? Does it still lag if you select just the Bilinear resizer(not PS 2.0), or perhaps is that what is already selected?

Yes Bilinear is the selected resizer.
The sample is not giant nowdays. We have xDSL after all -I hope:)

It is pure DXVA decoding performance issue

[VipZ]

I found out a third issue with DXVA.

When I try to play the sample below an H.264 L4.2 - 1080p60fps file in DXVA mode, I can't go over 35fps.

Latest MPC-HC x86, latest FFDShow DXVA

I have the same problem to every 1080p60fps H.264 file (L4.1-L4.2-L5.1) I try.

In WMP12, I get 58-60fps

Sample here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/415777315/ken_ross_02-1920x1080_60fpsRef4.mts.html

I have tested this sample as well, I can confirm this isn't an issue with MPC-HC, I get the same issues via PowerDVD and TMT. Soon as I switch to software decoding its butter smooth, I would believe this to be an issue with the ATI drivers or hardware. I would also possibly take a guess and think WMP12 isn't using DXVA, I have removed WMP12 so I cant test this.

[NikosD]

I have tested this sample as well, I can confirm this isn't an issue with MPC-HC, I get the same issues via PowerDVD and TMT. Soon as I switch to software decoding its butter smooth, I would believe this to be an issue with the ATI drivers or hardware. I would also possibly take a guess and think WMP12 isn't using DXVA, I have removed WMP12 so I cant test this.

No, PowerDVD 10 is as fast as WMP12 ~60 fps
They both set UVD to busy status, the card in UVD mode (400/900) and the CPU usage goes below 10% in dual core.
It's impossible to do that with this clip in a dual core processor, without DXVA.
Don't remove WMP12!

[VipZ]

No, PowerDVD 10 is as fast as WMP12 ~60 fps
They both set UVD to busy status, the card in UVD mode (400/900) and the CPU usage goes below 10% in dual core.
It's impossible to do that with this clip in a dual core processor, without DXVA.
Don't remove WMP12!

Which catalyst version are you using?

I will reinstall WMP12 to test this, but in my testing any player which renders with DXVA give an fps around 35 and drops frames. (Also tested with the MS h264 decoder and had same results)

EDIT: Indeed WMP12 does play it better than PowerDVD/TMT/WinDVD/MPC-HC and its almost no issue, but its still not correct in my view, software decoding is much smoother.

@ edigee, agreed and this is why I remove it, Windows Media Framework remains installed.

[edigee]

Uninstalling WMP12 doesen't necessarily means that Microsoft DTV-DVD decoder can't be used anymore. It can be used as an external filter in MPC-HC or KMPlayer

[Underground78]

The problem is easiest to reproduce with mpeg-ts files, but i dont have a sample myself, plenty of tickets on the trackers should have one.

I have a lot of TS samples so I tried reproduce the bug but I could not make MPC-HC crash or hang ...

[NikosD]

Which catalyst version are you using?

I will reinstall WMP12 to test this, but in my testing any player which renders with DXVA give an fps around 35 and drops frames. (Also tested with the MS h264 decoder and had same results)

EDIT: Indeed WMP12 does play it better than PowerDVD/TMT/WinDVD/MPC-HC and its almost no issue, but its still not correct in my view, software decoding is much smoother.

@ edigee, agreed and this is why I remove it, Windows Media Framework remains installed.

Catalyst 10.8

With 10.8 WMP12 AND PowerDVD 10 play smooth at ~60 fps

[VipZ]

Catalyst 10.8

With 10.8 WMP12 AND PowerDVD 10 play smooth at ~60 fps

I wont install 10.8 to test due to the scaling bug with my TV, but I would be interested to know if you have issues with PowerDVD with 10.7 if you willing.

[MPC-HTPC]

@ tetsuo and Underground78:

I just grabbed me one of Underground78's MPEG-TS samples from the issue section on github from LAVFSplitter and tried to reproduce the crash. After a little bit of trying I was able to do it.
Now I just still have the problem that Mediafire gives me the same error when trying to download the debug build posted by tetsuo (tried different browsers to rule that out as a cause of that error). Can I use any debug build or just this specific one? Maybe somebody who has this debug build can please upload it to another filehoster?!?

[rpm7200]

output range is obsolete. because color management is doing the same job.

[NikosD]

I wont install 10.8 to test due to the scaling bug with my TV, but I would be interested to know if you have issues with PowerDVD with 10.7 if you willing.

Well, I have the same bug with my TV (as the whole world too) and 2D performance has dropped again with my 5750, but I don't go back to Catalyst 10.7

But I can say for sure that Catalyst 10.8 has better attitude to both WMP12 and PowerDVD 10, regarding H.264 decoding.

[tetsuo55]

Please delete the output range setting. because color management is doing the same job. sorry my bad english.I dont think both features conflict, but we'll have a dev look at this.

@underground and mpc-htpc:
We have rehosted that debug build http://xhmikosr.1f0.de/zzzother/mpc-hc_x86_Debug.7z

the crash minilog or whatever should be helpfull.

[MPC-HTPC]

Thanks tetsuo!

Downloading right now and I hope I can report back with the Pastebin-link in a couple of minutes.

EDIT: Every time I try to start mpc-hc.exe via command prompt over drmemory.exe with the command "drmemory.exe -- mpc-hc.exe" and placing the mpc-hc.exe and pdb-file in the bin-directory of DrMemory I get the following error:

Dr. Memory results for pid 3104: "mpc-hc.exe"
Recorded 2 suppression(s) from default C:\Programme\DrMemory-Windows-1.3.0-1/bin/suppress-default.txt
ASSERT FAILURE (thread 2756): E:/derek/dr/tot/oss-clients/drmemory/common/utils.c:444: num > -1 (unknown system call number)


EDIT2: Now I get this error when seeking in the MPEG-TS file in MPC-HC debug build only (error happens faster in debug build):

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4721/drmemoryerror.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/drmemoryerror.jpg/)


EDIT3: This time I got the following error just when I was opening the same MPEG-TS file (no seeking). But I still cannot use MPC-HC with Dr.Memory, so it is just the debug build:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8047/errormpegsplitter.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/errormpegsplitter.jpg/)


EDIT4: When I try to get the full crash report it is always a lot of text and I cannot copy it to the clipboard. Are there any certain information in there I should look out for? Then I could just make a screenshot of the scetion in question.

[GTPVHD]

Output range is not the same as colour management and some legacy hardware can't do FP16 filtering or support FP16 textures which is needed for colour management feature, so they'll need Output Range to be able to switch between PC(0-255) levels and TV(16-235) levels. Please don't listen to silly suggestions which will hurt MPC-HC's usability.

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1429052&postcount=14253

In both cases, the problem is caused by FP16 texture support which is necessary for the color management and FFPP features. The Radeon doesn't support FP16 filtering. That's why you can see banding. However, the Intel doesn't support FP16 textures at all. If you enable only FFPP, it won't do anything, because no temporary textures are needed. So it's not surprising that it crashes for you if you enable some custom shaders.

Thanks for reporting! Unfortunately I have to add code to disable these for such GPUs.

[edigee]

@VipZ

I play Mpeg2 60fps videos with no problems in DXVA mode using Microsoft Mpeg2 video decoder(I have Vista) ,Cyberlink PDVD10 decoder, or in TMT3. The MPC_HC video decoder gives some frame drops with such videos. Never tried H264 or VC1 60fps videos though ,maybe you can provide a smaller sample here.

Edit: Take a look at Splash pro ,it might work too.

[NikosD]

@VipZ

I play Mpeg2 60fps videos with no problems in DXVA mode using Microsoft Mpeg2 video decoder(I have Vista) ,Cyberlink PDVD10 decoder, or in TMT3. The MPC_HC video decoder gives some frame drops with such videos. Never tried H264 or VC1 60fps videos though ,maybe you can provide a smaller sample here.

Edit: Take a look at Splash pro ,it might work too.

No Splash Pro seems to have a bug with DXVA H.264 60fps.
It starts at 60fps and then drops after few seconds to 27-30fps for no reason

[Underground78]

@ tetsuo and Underground78:

I just grabbed me one of Underground78's MPEG-TS samples from the issue section on github from LAVFSplitter and tried to reproduce the crash. After a little bit of trying I was able to do it.
Now I just still have the problem that Mediafire gives me the same error when trying to download the debug build posted by tetsuo (tried different browsers to rule that out as a cause of that error). Can I use any debug build or just this specific one? Maybe somebody who has this debug build can please upload it to another filehoster?!?

Which sample have you used ? I would like to test with it.

[MPC-HTPC]

Hi Underground78,

I have used your sample, which you post in Issue 9 of the LAVFSplitter issue site on github:

http://www.mediafire.com/?g2xjd4rwa2n

The easiest to reproduce this error tetsuo described is to move the seeking-slider back back and forth. After doing this a few times (sometimes less / sometimes more often) MPC-HC crashes. Maybe you can get Dr.Memory to work with MPC-HC.

[VipZ]

@VipZ

I play Mpeg2 60fps videos with no problems in DXVA mode using Microsoft Mpeg2 video decoder(I have Vista) ,Cyberlink PDVD10 decoder, or in TMT3. The MPC_HC video decoder gives some frame drops with such videos. Never tried H264 or VC1 60fps videos though ,maybe you can provide a smaller sample here.

Edit: Take a look at Splash pro ,it might work too.

I use Microsoft DTV-DVD for 60fps mpeg2 without issues, I actually don't like to use DXVA for anything other than MPEG2, find it less efficient and can boost PQ via post processing in ffdshow, also not to mention whole bunch of compatibility issues with DXVA.

Here is a smaller sample (6sec,15mb) http://www.mediafire.com/?2ofp67bk2f27tdm

[Underground78]

Hi Underground78,

I have used your sample, which you post in Issue 9 of the LAVFSplitter issue site on github:

http://www.mediafire.com/?g2xjd4rwa2n

The easiest to reproduce this error tetsuo described is to move the seeking-slider back back and forth. After doing this a few times (sometimes less / sometimes more often) MPC-HC crashes. Maybe you can get Dr.Memory to work with MPC-HC.

Hi,

I reproduce the bug now. I will see if I can use Dr.Memory but I can also use VS debugger if needed.

[namaiki]

Yes Bilinear is the selected resizer.
The sample is not giant nowdays. We have xDSL after all -I hope:)

It is pure DXVA decoding performance issue

Playing the sample on my GeForce 9600M GT using the MPC Decoder(DXVA), GPU-z reports Video Engine Load as 90%. It is playing at ~47fps.

[6205]

Why is durring installation of player icon library an optional feature? What will happen when user chooses not to install it? Will have all media types associated with MPC-HC blank/broken icons after that?

[NikosD]

Playing the sample on my GeForce 9600M GT using the MPC Decoder(DXVA), GPU-z reports Video Engine Load as 90%. It is playing at ~47fps.

Well, 9600M GT uses VP3 which obviously is not enough to play at 60fps.
I don't have an Nvidia card, but I think that VP4 should do the job.

[XhmikosR]

Why is durring installation of player icon library an optional feature? What will happen when user chooses not to install it? Will have all media types associated with MPC-HC blank/broken icons after that?

It will use the player's icon. Many people use a custom mpciconlib.

[6205]

Do somebody know when will MPC-HC be able to play ASX streaming files? Ticket #26 or 623(with example file)

EDIT: Or you could from stable release completelly remove association of ASX file if it's not working and never had.

[6205]

It will use the player's icon. Many people use a custom mpciconlib.

It would be nice if you developers would finally do something about mime types icons, because writing tickets has no sense.
What about use something from this artits?
http://graywz.deviantart.com/gallery/

And these are being used in K-Lite Codec Pack
http://8bf.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d274q4k

You wanna v1.4 to rock or not? :)

[rpm7200]

well, i dont wanna hurt mpc s usability. videos are too dark when i enable color managemet and when i set output range 0 255

[djsolidsnake86]

anyone know how fix the problem that mpchc.exe remain in background? :(

[XhmikosR]

It would be nice if you developers would finally do something about mime types icons, because writing tickets has no sense.
What about use something from this artits?
http://graywz.deviantart.com/gallery/

And these are being used in K-Lite Codec Pack
http://8bf.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d274q4k

You wanna v1.4 to rock or not? :)

Ignored from now on since you obviously don't know how to read.

[Yobbo]

I just wanna ask why both MSVC2008 and MSVC2010? Is the latter have some bugs we should be aware of?

[yesgrey]

anyone know how fix the problem that mpchc.exe remain in background? :(
Have you tried checking: Options->Player->"Other"-Always on top?

[tetsuo55]

It would be nice if you developers would finally do something about mime types icons, because writing tickets has no sense.
What about use something from this artits?
http://graywz.deviantart.com/gallery/

And these are being used in K-Lite Codec Pack
http://8bf.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d274q4k

You wanna v1.4 to rock or not? :)Icon's is something we are going to adress post next stable build, we have some ideas, more info will be available later.anyone know how fix the problem that mpchc.exe remain in background? :(Afaik we know its a threading bug and incorrect exit call.I just wanna ask why both MSVC2008 and MSVC2010? Is the latter have some bugs we should be aware of?MSVC2010 builds don't work on non-SSE2 cpu'sHave you tried checking: Options->Player->"Other"-Always on top?i think he means after exiting the application.

[djsolidsnake86]

yes i mean after exiting
i have a e8400 processor + hd4850
there isn't a fix for this?

[Snowknight26]

It's supposedly been fixed, but since you were nice enough to put version details in your post..

[namaiki]

Well, 9600M GT uses VP3 which obviously is not enough to play at 60fps.
I don't have an Nvidia card, but I think that VP4 should do the job.

Actually it's VP2, but the same probably still holds true if at all.

I think other people doing testing should try the same with GPU-z and check Video Engine Load (where supported).

[burfadel]

This has probably been brought up before, and if it has this can refresh the idea!

How about an update feature?

I realise that depending on the implementation autoupdate feature can be either simple or hard. I suggest one of the simplest approaches which is:
- MPC-HC checks the website (say XhmikosR's site) and reads a file called say, 'Version.txt'. The content of version.txt is simply the latest version string available for download.
- The MPC-HC checks say once a fortnight for a new version.
- If the version in the version.txt is later than the current version, it prompts you whether you wish to download the new version. It also prompts that the new version will install once MPC-HC is closed.
- If clicked no, the fact there is a new version available should come up as a link at the bottom of the interface.
- To download, simply download via IE or firefox API.
- Once downloaded, the setup is automatically run and installs the new MPC-HC when the current MPC-HC is exited.
- The thing that should be removed from the setup is the icon library. Although its great it does seem a little unnecessary. Also doesn't it remain completely loaded in memory when utilised? 4gb of system ram doesn't necessarily mean you're free to use 17mb on a feature which most people wouldn't even notice...

Anyways, just a thought. Reason I bring it up is for most people, once they download MPC-HC, they stick with the version they have. I would almost guarantee most people with MPC-HC (not necessarily on this forum, I'm speaking in general) are running much older versions. Some pre new numbering MPC-HC, some even the real old MPC, the once where the version and build number was 6.4.9.1 for hundreds of builds!!! (yes that did happen)

[NikosD]

Actually it's VP2, but the same probably still holds true if at all.

I think other people doing testing should try the same with GPU-z and check Video Engine Load (where supported).

It's VP3 for 9600M according to this:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GT.9449.0.html
And many other sources.
It's VP2 for 9600.
But of course it doesn't change anything. We need benchmarks from VP4 users.
I have an ATI card - UVD 2.2 - and I don't have Video Engine Load counter

[namaiki]

It's VP3 for 9600M according to this:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GT.9449.0.html
And many other sources.



http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/256.53/README/supportedchips.html

The GeForce 9600M GT is VDPAU Feature Set A. This corresponds to VP2 as far as I can tell. On that same page, the desktop 9600 is also classified as having VDPAU Feature Set A.

The following two webpages list a card as VP2. When referenced on the above nVidia webpage, these are also classified as VDPAU Feature Set A.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2365/3
http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=576

Furthermore, this page (http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9300M-GS.9452.0.html) lists the 8400M and 9300M G as having VP2, these are also listed as VDPAU Feature Set A. On that notebookcheck page, the 9300M GS is also listed as VP3 and the nvidia page lists that core as VDPAU Feature Set B 1, which the 9600M GT is not.

Tried the video on a PC with a GeForce G 105M (actually VP3) and it still played at ~47fps...

[djsolidsnake86]

It's supposedly been fixed, but since you were nice enough to put version details in your post..

i use madvr as render, don't know if this can help

[kyklish]

Hi, I found little bug.

http://img12.imageshost.ru/img/2010/09/05/image_4c83a01114041_small.jpg (http://imageshost.ru/photo/97591/id123059.html)

This happens, when I try play DVD whith enabled Shaders (EVR-CP VMR9-R whith internal and external decoders). Then i disable and enable shaders (during playing) and picture goes normal. If I start play DVD whith disabled shaders - there no bug.

I try play this DVD on older build 1.3.2264.0, there no bugs.

WinXP SP3 | 6600GT AGP

[akapuma]

Hello,

I have a larger collection of movies, recorded from digital TV. Digital TV provides informations about the movie (EPG). I add these informations as tags in the mkv-File:
ARTIST
Deutschland, 1960

TITLE
Willy, der Privatdetektiv

DESCRIPTION
Willy Nölles ist Besitzer einer kleinen Gastwirtschaft, doch seine ganze Liebe gilt der Kriminalistik. Da sich sein Traum, einen richtigen Verbrecher zur Strecke zu bringen, nicht zu erfüllen scheint, verschlingt er reihenweise Kriminalromane, um zumindest sein theoretisches Wissen auf Stand zu halten. Eines Tages erbt er überraschend eine Privatdetektei und muss als deren Chef das Verschwinden einer großen Geldsumme bei einem Versicherungskonzern aufklären. |Allerdings darf seine Frau Mariechen nichts von seinem Doppelleben als Detektiv erfahren. Deshalb gibt er vor, mit seinem Kellner Juppi zu einer Gastwirtstagung zu fahren. Noch ahnt Willy nicht, dass ausgerechnet der Versicherungskonzern seine Gastwirtschaft aufkaufen möchte und dass dessen Mitarbeiter Dr. Meyer mit Willys Tochter Elli angebandelt hat. Zu allem Überfluss befinden sich in Willys eigener Detektei die Verbrecher, die hinter dem Verschwinden der Geldsumme stecken. |Auch in "Willy, der Privatdetektiv" führt Willy Millowitsch einen jener typischen Volkstheater-Charaktere vor, der einen kleinen "Tick", diesmal die Liebe zur Kriminalistik, auslebt und dabei für eine Menge haarsträubender, turbulenter Verwicklungen sorgt. Neben Millowitsch sind mit Claus Biederstaedt, Rudolf Platte und Gusti Wolf weitere Stars des deutschen Filmlustspiels der 1960er Jahre zu sehen.

COPYRIGHT
3sat 4.9.2010 15:35:00

Now my problem: If we (my wife and me) choose a move for viewing, we use the MPC-HC for a preview. But we can't see the tags complete, because they are cropped:http://akapuma.info/externebilder/epg.png

Is there a solution to see all info's?

At the moment, it's not very useful to insert the tags into the movie. Here is a small sample.

Best regards

akapuma

[Keiyakusha]

this is what i get from the "view details" of windows when the app. (msvc2010 2420 both x86 and x64)crashes..

"
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: mpc-hc.exe
Application Version: 1.3.2420.0
Application Timestamp: 4c7d179f
Fault Module Name: KERNELBASE.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16385
Fault Module Timestamp: 4a5bdbdf
Exception Code: e06d7363
Exception Offset: 0000b727
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1032
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789"

Any help?
This is happens to me too with msvc2008 or 2010 builds of mpc-hc. It seems that the cause of this is some none-standard plugins (c or Stdcall plugins) including ffavisynth.dll

I'm using mpc-hc r2474 + ffdshow raw video filter r3559. Any solution?

[MPC-HTPC]

Hi Keiyakusha,
since the error message Windows is giving you equals the one soulkeeper has posted, your problem is probably caused by AviSynth (definetly not MPC-HC). If you would follow the advice Tom Keller (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1431295#post1431295) has given, you should not get the error anymore. Otherwise just rename the plugin-folder of AviSynth like Tom Keller suggested earlier.
The problem you experience is based on a DLL-Vulnerability which was fixed with Rev2374:

"Remove the current working directory from the DLL search path in order to avoid the DLL preloading vulnerability (Ticket #694)"

Now the other programs have to fix their vulnerability too, in order to function properly with MPC-HC again.