Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[Superb]

Probably some regression in the internal (software) MPEG-2 decoder. Try uploading a small sample for the developers.
Why don't you enable the internal DXVA MPEG-2 decoder? Your card supports MPEG-2 decoding.

Btw, does this issue occurs w/ both MS2010 and MS2007 compilations? Test it.

[v0lt]

update code for QT PCM:
cleaned and optimized;
added support for 'in24', 'fl64' and 8-bit 'sowt';
small corrections in MP4Splitter.

QT_PCM.patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?a93i8u7itou5d7i
mpc-hc_x86_QT_PCM_patch.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/?2yp53bq5pi3u44a

[DMD]

+1.

Could be a wonderful upgrade for the next official version. (keeps the clean look, but looks much better)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1431460#post1431460

Is very nice, but where you can download this skin?

I did not find the download link.

Thanks

[hoborg]

update code for QT PCM:
cleaned and optimized;
added support for 'in24', 'fl64' and 8-bit 'sowt';
small corrections in MP4Splitter.

QT_PCM.patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?a93i8u7itou5d7i
mpc-hc_x86_QT_PCM_patch.7z - http://www.mediafire.com/?2yp53bq5pi3u44a

Thanks. Hope it will be integrated soon, so we can say good bay to Medialook quicktime source filter + QT framework :)

[v0lt]

hoborg
More should be done processing the atom 'enda'. Then it will be full support 'in24/32', 'fl32/64'.

[alex_3d42]

Check the scan parameters, they could be different depending on your area. And make sure the antena and the tunner are working properly.

We need to know as well list of filters you get (right click filters).

Here is my filters used in DVT-T mode :

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5643/filtersr.jpg

[SamuriHL]

Is very nice, but where you can download this skin?

I did not find the download link.

Thanks

Yea that's the point. It's a mockup of what it COULD look like. :)

[laxu]

Has anyone else had this issue? When watching a video with subtitles (embedded or external), if you're using digital audio the sound seems to clip from time to time. Turning subtitles off fixes it instantly. By comparison using ffdshow for subtitles works fine. Analog audio works fine too. This seems to happen both with my Echo AudioFire4 as well as Realtek ALC888.

[HCuser]

Probably some regression in the internal (software) MPEG-2 decoder. Try uploading a small sample for the developers.
Why don't you enable the internal DXVA MPEG-2 decoder? Your card supports MPEG-2 decoding.

Btw, does this issue occurs w/ both MS2010 and MS2007 compilations? Test it.

Here is a sample. But I must say that I have this trouble with all DVD and with both MSVC 2010 and 2008.

http://www.mediafire.com/?7smvyqf6w21iu44

I don't know how to enable DXVA. Can I enable it in the internal filters panel?

http://uppix.net/d/3/d/58931cd6b078cd070d396d44bf1a2tt.jpg (http://uppix.net/d/3/d/58931cd6b078cd070d396d44bf1a2.html)

[DMD]

Yea that's the point. It's a mockup of what it COULD look like. :)

Meanwhile, I'm happy background :)

http://www.allfreeportal.com/imghost2/images/559552Screenshot 002.png (http://allfreeportal.com)

[Mercury_22]

Here is a sample. But I must say that I have this trouble with all DVD and with both MSVC 2010 and 2008.

http://www.mediafire.com/?7smvyqf6w21iu44

I don't know how to enable DXVA. Can I enable it in the internal filters panel?

http://uppix.net/d/3/d/58931cd6b078cd070d396d44bf1a2tt.jpg (http://uppix.net/d/3/d/58931cd6b078cd070d396d44bf1a2.html)

First reset MPC-HC's settings then follow the Troubleshooting Guidelines (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Troubleshooting_guidelines)
If you have two MPC-HC versions on your system try using separate ini files

[HCuser]

First reset MPC-HC's settings then follow the Troubleshooting Guidelines (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Troubleshooting_guidelines)
If you have two MPC-HC versions on your system try using separate ini files

Thank you, I did it and it worked, but problems with the bottom of the picture reappears again.

I found the bug: it's the shaders with DVD playback.
This is how to reproduce it:

-Launch DVD
-Select a shader (for example sharpen complex 2)
-Exit (close MPC)
-Launch the DVD again and the picture will be streched at the bottom
-remove the shader and the picture is ok

I hope it helps.

PS: it seems i can't activate DXVA for DVD playback. I tried everything i found in the troubleshooting.

[Alexander01]

At least for ATI when you enable 24p in HDTV you'll have 23.976 (in windows monitor's settings you'll see a 23 Hertz option) in MPC-HC use Ctrl+j and you'll see you have 23.976

This is what I was looking for! Finally solved my issue because I can use 23hz now. It's strange that I need to apply 1080p/24 in Catalyst before I can use the 23hz option in Windows.

Anyway, The file is playing smooth now without using ReClock. I'm still a bit confused how this is possible because the movie is 23.976 fps and the refresh rate 23hz, so it's not 1:1.

Another problem I have is with the 10-bit output and D3D fullscreen. I want to have a true 10-bit output (which is only possible with D3D fullscreen), but sometimes it gives me a black screen. Is this a bug in ATI Catalyst 10.8 or something with MPC-HC 1.4.2511.0?

Also, should I tick 'Force 10-bit RGB input' and 'Full Floating Point Processing'?

[noee]

Anyway, The file is playing smooth now without using ReClock. I'm still a bit confused how this is possible because the movie is 23.976 fps and the refresh rate 23hz, so it's not 1:1.

What does it say for Refresh when you hit Ctrl+J. It's not 23.000, it's probably really close to 23.976Hz. Also, don't be alarmed when you go back into CCC and it shows 24Hz. There is a bug in CCC (at least the version I'm using, 10.3).

[Ryo94]

I've problems playing some x264 movies (basically get artifacts everywhere) with v1.4.2499

It happen only with certain mkv files
I'm using internal filters
These files play fine in v1.3.1249

Sample (7.5MB)
http://www.multiupload.com/DSWJD4WVI8

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Underground78]

@Ryo94 : It works for me using internal decoder. Can you check if DXVA is used ?

[Ryo94]

Yes, DXVA is used.

[Underground78]

Yes, DXVA is used.

Which card do you have ? DXVA is not used here and if I force using it I have artifacts ... Can you check the internal decoder configuration to see if compatibility check for DXVA is set to "full check" ?

[nevcairiel]

My NVIDIA GTX 260 plays that sample without artifacts using DXVA just fine, with all checks enabled too. Its just a L4.1 Ref10, nothing too extreme.
With an ATI card, it may be completly broken, though. Their DXVA sometimes just craps out.

[Mercury_22]

This is what I was looking for! Finally solved my issue because I can use 23hz now. It's strange that I need to apply 1080p/24 in Catalyst before I can use the 23hz option in Windows.

Anyway, The file is playing smooth now without using ReClock. I'm still a bit confused how this is possible because the movie is 23.976 fps and the refresh rate 23hz, so it's not 1:1.

Another problem I have is with the 10-bit output and D3D fullscreen. I want to have a true 10-bit output (which is only possible with D3D fullscreen), but sometimes it gives me a black screen. Is this a bug in ATI Catalyst 10.8 or something with MPC-HC 1.4.2511.0?

Also, should I tick 'Force 10-bit RGB input' and 'Full Floating Point Processing'?

The black screen it's caused by all ATI drivers after 10.5a (but just for some cards it seems?!) For ATI users interested in the 10-bit RGB : last working Catalyst = no black screen when enable 10-bit RGB Input is 10.5a (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATI-Catalyst-Hotfix.aspx)

Please report this to http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3 maybe if more people will report the problem they will fix it

As for the 10-bit ... I know this thread it's big but please read a few pages back (maybe tetsuo will finally start a new one with the Troubleshooting Guidelines on the first page :))

...
From my tests when trying to get the full 10-bit RGB by enabling "Force 10-bit RGB Input" for Surface A2R10G10B10 + "10-bit RGB Output" for Backbuffer A2R10G10B10 + "D3D Full screen Mode" for Display A2R10G10B10
when I enable "Force 10-bit RGB Input" for Surface A2R10G10B10 I get
1. with a DXVA decoder a black screen
2. with a NON-DXVA decoder those "burned" colors

And since rev 1826 Revision 1826 - Directory Listing
Modified Sun May 2 01:20:06 2010 UTC (4 months, 1 week ago) by kinddragon

DX7 presenters splitter to several files
Improved Reset() handling (ticket #12) there is no more Display A2R10G10B10

Last working versions (that I can test) are catalyst 10.5a (for the black screen or "burned" colors) and rev Revision 1824 for Display A2R10G10B10

[Ryo94]

I've an ATI Radeon HD 4650, in internal filters DXVA appear full checked by default (same happen with the previous stable version which play fine the movie)

[Underground78]

My NVIDIA GTX 260 plays that sample without artifacts using DXVA just fine, with all checks enabled too. Its just a L4.1 Ref10, nothing too extreme.
With an ATI card, it may be completly broken, though. Their DXVA sometimes just craps out.

My ATI card can't handle this sample but it is one of the first to have DXVA (HD2600XT).

I've an ATI Radeon HD 4650, in internal filters DXVA appear full checked by default (same happen with the previous stable version which play fine the movie)

And DXVA was used in the previous version too ? If you have some time for testing, it would be great if you can test some of the build from xvidvideo.ru to find when it started playing with artifacts ...

[Ryo94]

My NVIDIA GTX 260 plays that sample without artifacts using DXVA just fine, with all checks enabled too. Its just a L4.1 Ref10, nothing too extreme.
With an ATI card, it may be completly broken, though. Their DXVA sometimes just craps out.

My ATI card can't handle this sample but it is one of the first to have DXVA (HD2600XT).

And DXVA was used in the previous version too ? If you have some time for testing, it would be great if you can test some of the build from xvidvideo.ru to find when it started playing with artifacts ...

No, in the previous version of MPC-HC DXVA is not used while playing that movie but its used for the rest of x264 stuff that I've without problems, looks like v1.3.1249 detect the movies encoded in that way and don't use DXVA for play them, this not happen in v1.4.2499, clearly a change of behavior.
So the options would be disable DXVA or go back to v1.3.1249?

[Mercury_22]

I've problems playing some x264 movies (basically get artifacts everywhere) with v1.4.2499

It happen only with certain mkv files
I'm using internal filters
These files play fine in v1.3.1249

Sample (7.5MB)
http://www.multiupload.com/DSWJD4WVI8

Thanks in advance for any help.

No problems here (internal filters & DXVA with "Full check" or not)

[NiFa]

I have funny problem with autochange in win 7, when I use autochange to change refreshrate to 23.976Hz/24Hz/50Hz, picture shutters, but when I don't use autochange and play videos using 60Hz, picture is perfectly smooth and there is no shutter, in vista it was opposite, I have tried everything, but haven't got it work like it did in vista.

Specs. & settings
Win 7 Ultimate (x86)
ATI HD4200 integrated
Cat 10.7
MPC-HC 1.4.2511.0
EVR-Sync

All specs. without catalyst are same as they were in vista, I only switched from vista to Win 7 and got this problem.

Personally it doesn't bug me, but it would be nice to know is the problem in MPC-HC or win 7.

[neoufo51]

I get crashes with Apple.com HD trailers when I click off fullscreen mode when using the 2505 build with EVR CP.

[shahed26]

What kind of updates do you hope for DVB-T ? If there are things not too difficult, I may have a look to it and I am quite sure XPC would be interested in having users feedbacks too .

About DVB-S, have a look to this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1432939#post1432939).

Hi

The only possible feature I can think of right now is to add a "Record" button to MPC UI. I still cant get MPC to record video. I did try the capture option to capture Video and Audio, but its not user friendly.

Add a record button that only appears in Live TV mode. And also the recording format should be more of the standard MPEG2 or TS format for live TV

Regards the DVB-S support, that can be added later maybe. I think the DVB-T needs slighly more attention, (fixing bugs and making the overall UI more user friendly.)



+1.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3462/hcbars.png
Could be a wonderful upgrade for the next official version. (keeps the clean look, but looks much better)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1431460#post1431460

That theme ROCKS !

Can we please have that theme as default, really neat and simple ! These recent MPC builds are really stable, I think its about time MPC's UI (skin) gets a bit more attention.

[madshi]

That theme ROCKS !
The "play" button has visible aliasing (stair steps). That definitely needs to be fixed.

[neoufo51]

The "play" button has visible aliasing (stair steps). That definitely needs to be fixed.
That would make the theme perfect.

Also, it would be nice to add subtitle status info into the status bar, allowing us to see immediately whether subtitles are properly loaded or not.

[burfadel]

Bigger buttons with bigger gaps between them! You should just be able to quickly and without trying be able to position the cursor over the button, its not something that should require a little precision...!

[Superb]

@Ryo94: which ATI driver version do you have installed?
Did you delete MPC-HC's options (via the uninstaller OR manually) before installing the new version?

[a_afra]

Hello and greetings. I have troubles with DVD playback decoding since few updates. One of the last who works properly is 1.3.2283. Please see the screenshot taken with 1.4.2523.

http://uppix.net/0/4/0/88ce68ebeb7b5516868dba42ebedett.jpg (http://uppix.net/0/4/0/88ce68ebeb7b5516868dba42ebede.html)


I've fixed this bug in 1.4.2528. Thanks for reporting, but next time please open a ticket!

[edigee]

Using 1.4.2511 I get wrong time index playing a m2ts H264 file(MPC video decoder-DXVA) ,using the internal MPEG PS/TS/ filter. (ex-correct time was 1:34:30 and the displayed time was 1:40:03 -I chose that example because It happened when I was trying to sync a subtitle). Unticking the internal filter( I guess it's now playing via Haali) the problem disapeared.

Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit, HD 3650 ,Catalyst 10.5 beta, MPC_HC 1.4.2511

[Alexander01]

The black screen it's caused by all ATI drivers after 10.5a (but just for some cards it seems?!)

As for the 10-bit ... I know this thread it's big but please read a few pages back (maybe tetsuo will finally start a new one with the Troubleshooting Guidelines on the first page :))

Yep, I tryed a few ATI Catalyst drivers last night.
This one: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/mobile/10-5_mobility_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc.exe Is the last one that is fully working with the 10-Bit RGB output AND input option for my HD4570 notebook card. It's a shame that those ATI drivers are so buggy with 10-bit. But at least I have it working now. If I install 10.6, the 10-bit Input option gives a black screen, so I stay with 10.5.


I think I found a bug in MPC-HC btw:

If I use the option 'Launch files in fullscreen' + the 'Autochange' option to switch to 23hz + D3D fullscreen mode, I get a black screen. D3D mode is not active also. I am able to right click in MPC-HC and see the File Menu (and I don't use D3D Fullscreen Gui support!). If i check or uncheck a Vsync option or a 10-bit option, the screen gets reinitialized, D3D Fullscreen gets active and I finally have video!

If I Disable the the Autochange option I don't have this bug anymore and everything is launched correctly in D3D Fullscreen mode. But I really need Autochange to get my MKV's played at 23Hz Refesh Rate :(

[janos666]

Answer to: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1433966&postcount=4525

Yes, it works. (The volume control is infective.) I can get over ReClock (until I accidentally run into a PAL source).
I didn't know that this MPC-HC Audio renderer is so smart. It should be set as default renderer in MPC-HC (after fresh installs). It always used DirectSound by default (that's why I used ReClock even if I don't want to re-clock my Blu-Ray materials.)ű

Or does ReClock has any other benefits when I watch Blu-Rays without frame rate changes? I can see that it does some fine-tuning between hardware clocks. But I think it requires a re-sampling, so a little correction doesn't worth it.

[Midzuki]

It's a shame that those ATI drivers are so buggy with 10-bit.

It's a shame that their INSTALLERS are soooo cräppily-designed and buggy. :mad:

[Mercury_22]

Yep, I tryed a few ATI Catalyst drivers last night.
This one: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/mobile/10-5_mobility_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc.exe Is the last one that is fully working with the 10-Bit RGB output AND input option for my HD4570 notebook card. It's a shame that those ATI drivers are so buggy with 10-bit. But at least I have it working now. If I install 10.6, the 10-bit Input option gives a black screen, so I stay with 10.5.


I think I found a bug in MPC-HC btw:

If I use the option 'Launch files in fullscreen' + the 'Autochange' option to switch to 23hz + D3D fullscreen mode, I get a black screen. D3D mode is not active also. I am able to right click in MPC-HC and see the File Menu (and I don't use D3D Fullscreen Gui support!). If i check or uncheck a Vsync option or a 10-bit option, the screen gets reinitialized, D3D Fullscreen gets active and I finally have video!

If I Disable the the Autochange option I don't have this bug anymore and everything is launched correctly in D3D Fullscreen mode. But I really need Autochange to get my MKV's played at 23Hz Refesh Rate :(

As I've ask everybody before please report this (10-bit) to http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3 maybe if more people will report the problem they will fix it

And maybe in the mean time someone can ask kinddragon to fix Revision 1826 - Directory Listing
Modified Sun May 2 01:20:06 2010 UTC (4 months, 1 week ago) by kinddragon

DX7 presenters splitter to several files
Improved Reset() handling (ticket #12) so we can get Display A2R10G10B10

[NiFa]

I have funny problem with autochange in win 7, when I use autochange to change refreshrate to 23.976Hz/24Hz/50Hz, picture shutters, but when I don't use autochange and play videos using 60Hz, picture is perfectly smooth and there is no shutter, in vista it was opposite, I have tried everything, but haven't got it work like it did in vista.

Specs. & settings
Win 7 Ultimate (x86)
ATI HD4200 integrated
Cat 10.7
MPC-HC 1.4.2511.0
EVR-Sync

All specs. without catalyst are same as they were in vista, I only switched from vista to Win 7 and got this problem.

Personally it doesn't bug me, but it would be nice to know is the problem in MPC-HC or win 7.
Seems that disable desktop composition needs to be enabled if I want get smooth playback when using 23.976Hz/24Hz/50Hz in win 7.

[Alexander01]

As I've ask everybody before please report this (10-bit) to http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3 maybe if more people will report the problem they will fix it

And maybe in the mean time someone can ask kinddragon to fix so we can get Display A2R10G10B10

Submitted!

I also noticed I have Display X8R8G8B8. So this is a bug in MPC-HC introduced in Revision 1826?

Edit:

Indeed, Display A2R10G10B10 is working in 1824.

[NikosD]

@Tetsuo
Updated info here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1432980&postcount=1

[yesgrey]

Or does ReClock has any other benefits when I watch Blu-Rays without frame rate changes? I can see that it does some fine-tuning between hardware clocks. But I think it requires a re-sampling, so a little correction doesn't worth it.
Yes, you summed it up quite well.

[Alexander01]

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a 10-bit output in Windows Media Center? Or is this only possible with MPC-HC in D3D fullscreen mode? Windows Media Center isn't operating in D3D fullscreen mode I guess?

[janos666]

Good to hear about this 10 bit/color mode. I have a Dell U2410 and a HD5850. They are theoretically 10 bit/color capable hardwares but ATI may disabled the 10 bit support in their consumer level drivers. (As it is an exclusive feature of the professional SKUs.)
On the other hand, (as much as I know) DX11 requires 10 bit hardware support, so it should be available for DX applications on DX11 capable hardwares. Should it work after the above mentioned bug will be fixed?

I tried to enable it but it is buggy. I think it utilizes 256 values from the 1024 possible values between 256 and 512. It feels like a display with VERY low contrast ratio.

And the gray ramp is still crappy with 8 bit output and floating point processing. (I can't notice the benefit of the FP mode. It simply doesn't show any effects.)
madVR looks much better in 8 bit mode (nice and smooth gradient) and it is much better in 8 bit + dithering mode. EVR shows a gram ramp which I can see when I play with the contrast OSD control on 8 bit LCD displays. It is simply bad/damaged/broken (and unacceptable).

Too bad, because the ICC based color management is very interesting. I want to compare it with yCMS 3DLUT processing. But I can't use it with madVR and EVR produces broken gray ramp anyway, so it doesn't make sense to compare them like this.

[Ryo94]

@Ryo94: which ATI driver version do you have installed?
Did you delete MPC-HC's options (via the uninstaller OR manually) before installing the new version?

ATI Catalyst v10.8
Yes, I deleted the regkey that contain MPC-HC settings before jump to the new version (like Tetsuo told me)

[Alexander01]

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a 10-bit output in Windows Media Center? Or is this only possible with MPC-HC in D3D fullscreen mode? Windows Media Center isn't operating in D3D fullscreen mode I guess?

I just tested this. Switched from MPC-HC to WMC a couple of times. Colors with MPC-HC have a little bit more depth. For WMC I tested with ffdshow software decoding and ffdshow DXVA decoding. My TV is a Sony KDL-32D3000 (2007). It has a 10-bit panel, but no HDMI 1.3.

But still I noticed a bit more color depth with MPC-HC (with all 10-bit options enabled + D3D fullscreen), then with Windows Media Center using ffdshow software/DXVA decoder.

Why doesn't Microsoft natively support 10-bit color output in Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center? Or is this a limitation of ffdshow? I didn't tested yet with Microsoft's own H264 decoder.

[Keiyakusha]

In "options" tree, why not put contents of the "database" tab into "misc" under "subtitles"?
EDIT: And looks like "auto-load subtitles" together with "subtitle load order" will be fine in "Misc".

[Ryo94]

Reinstalling the ATI Catalyst Driver solved the problem, thanks to all for the help :)

[Razoola]

I have tried to get WASPI working with the MPC audio renderer but I hear no sound, if I leave it going a few seconds sound will come in for about .5 of a second and then drop out again, it keeps cycling like this. WASPI works fine through the same device with reclock using WASPI (bit streaming) so I don't know whats going wrong... Any ideas?

update,

I just got it working by disabling the internal MPC AC3/DTS encoder and using ffdshow instead. Is any work going to be done on the audio renderer to add simple options like choosing the output device instead of always using the default windows device?

[Alexander01]

I just tested this. Switched from MPC-HC to WMC a couple of times. Colors with MPC-HC have a little bit more depth. For WMC I tested with ffdshow software decoding and ffdshow DXVA decoding. My TV is a Sony KDL-32D3000 (2007). It has a 10-bit panel, but no HDMI 1.3.

But still I noticed a bit more color depth with MPC-HC (with all 10-bit options enabled + D3D fullscreen), then with Windows Media Center using ffdshow software/DXVA decoder.

Why doesn't Microsoft natively support 10-bit color output in Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center? Or is this a limitation of ffdshow? I didn't tested yet with Microsoft's own H264 decoder.

Just tested MS H264 decoder, but still not that little bit extra color depth that i have with MPC-HC /w 10-bit+D3D. I don't get it why MS stuff (WMP or WMC) don't output 10-bit color.

[MPC-HTPC]

I think I found a bug in MPC-HC btw:

If I use the option 'Launch files in fullscreen' + the 'Autochange' option to switch to 23hz + D3D fullscreen mode, I get a black screen. D3D mode is not active also. I am able to right click in MPC-HC and see the File Menu (and I don't use D3D Fullscreen Gui support!). If i check or uncheck a Vsync option or a 10-bit option, the screen gets reinitialized, D3D Fullscreen gets active and I finally have video!

If I Disable the the Autochange option I don't have this bug anymore and everything is launched correctly in D3D Fullscreen mode. But I really need Autochange to get my MKV's played at 23Hz Refesh Rate :(

Hi Alexander01,

have you opened a ticket on the trac for this issue? Otherwise the chances are quite high, that the bug gets lost in this thread and no dev will ever look at it.

How to report a bug (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/Bugs_-_Reporting)

Open a new ticket (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/newticket)