Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[tetsuo55]

Ok thats pretty clear.

We do that mostly on the tracker, but i guess doing it here too won't hurt.

[SamuriHL]

Right, it just helps to manage expectations. If it gets ignored, often times it'll get repeated over and over which is annoying. And there's no need for rude replies, either. Just a simple "sorry, I have no interest in fixing that" etc is sufficient. It helps everyone all around I think.

[madshi]

@tetsuo55, can you please check your PMs?

[tetsuo55]

ok, ill let you know soon.

[blaster00]

Early I wrote a post about mpc audio render with unwanted noises here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1427596#post1427596)
Today I did a feather test by using DPC Latency Checker. But the latency was normal with both directsound and wasapi, I think...
After googled a lot, I found there are some other people have the same problem with this audio render. Some say that the buffer number mpc used is a little short.
Will someone look into it? And ignore my poor English, please.

[[ReX]]

This have been bothering me for some time.

"Subtitles" in Portuguese (Brazil) is not "Subtítulos", it's "Legendas".
Subtítulos is Spanish for Subtitles.

[tetsuo55]

can you please open a ticket for that? i will assign it to the lead translator for Portuguese.

[khagaroth]

Man 2643 completely broke Czech translation, there are so many truncated and misaligned strings I don't want to count it. Do we really need to use the new translation system? I would rather revert the rc script and continue directly translating the rc file.

[edit]
Ok, I did count it after all, there are over 80 :mad:

[[ReX]]

can you please open a ticket for that? i will assign it to the lead translator for Portuguese.

Done.
Ticket #819 (https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/819)

[nevcairiel]

Man 2643 completely broke Czech translation, there are so many truncated and misaligned strings I don't want to count it. Do we really need to use the new translation system? I would rather revert the rc script and continue directly translating the rc file.

[edit]
Ok, I did count it after all, there are over 80 :mad:

The length of the fields will be adjusted soon. Be patient. You're using alpha quality, unofficial, svn builds, afterall :p

[clsid]

Actually, since most SVN builds are pretty stable, they get treated as such by many people here. Getting feedback about regressions like this is a good source of information for assessing the current quality of latest SVN head.

[Plutotype]

Hi,
Just installed the latest SVN after 2 months, such a step forward!
Nice job with all fixed bugs and new features.
Regards
Plutotype

[tetsuo55]

Man 2643 completely broke Czech translation, there are so many truncated and misaligned strings I don't want to count it. Do we really need to use the new translation system? I would rather revert the rc script and continue directly translating the rc file.

[edit]
Ok, I did count it after all, there are over 80 :mad:i have not unlocked the translation system yet, until i do don't touch it :P

[Mercury_22]

There is a bug in MPEG PS/TS/PVA splitter (or in design ?) which prevents the change of audio streams if one audio type it's set to be decoded with internal filter (e.g. AC3) and the other audio type it's set to be decoded with an external filter (e.g. DTS)
This is happening only with m2ts, ts, files (and maybe mpeg but I haven't tested) not with other (tested only mkv)

Did anyone reported this, or I can go and open a ticket ?

[nevcairiel]

This is a design flaw in the MPEG Splitter and can't really be fixed without major rewrite. You can open a ticket if you want, but i don't see it changing, really.

[pankov]

Guys,
I have a problem when I use MPC's MPEG Splitter. There is a "parasite" text/subtitle pin when playing .ts files like this one
http://www.mediafire.com/?7kvkb38m659p62j
This leads to automatic insertion of a subtitle filter (VobSub) which leads to deactivating the hardware deinterlacing supported by the renderer (EVR).

Does anybody know why MPC's MPEG Splitter adds such a text output pin? What it is used for? Is there an option to disable it?
All other spliters/source filters I use don't have this problem - this includes Haali's Media Splitter and LAVFSplitter.

[robpdotcom]

I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I was having trouble finding information on it....

I've read people saying they were using MPC to watch (and/or record?) live TV, but I can't for the life of me get it to work. Can someone point me to some info on how this works? I have a Hauppage 2250 tuner - it's working fine with Media Center 7, but I'd much prefer if I could use MPC.

[Underground78]

I hope this isn't the wrong place to ask this, but I was having trouble finding information on it....

I've read people saying they were using MPC to watch (and/or record?) live TV, but I can't for the life of me get it to work. Can someone point me to some info on how this works? I have a Hauppage 2250 tuner - it's working fine with Media Center 7, but I'd much prefer if I could use MPC.

Yes, it is possible. First you should go in "Options" --> "Capture" to set up things. Then you need to click on "Open device" and to use the "Scan" button.

[Midzuki]

Guys,
I have a problem when I use MPC's MPEG Splitter. There is a "parasite" text/subtitle pin when playing .ts files like this one
http://www.mediafire.com/?7kvkb38m659p62j
This leads to automatic insertion of a subtitle filter (VobSub) which leads to deactivating the hardware deinterlacing supported by the renderer (EVR).

Does anybody know why MPC's MPEG Splitter adds such a text output pin? What it is used for? Is there an option to disable it?
All other spliters/source filters I use don't have this problem - this includes Haali's Media Splitter and LAVFSplitter.

To me, it seems a problem not in the MPEG splitter, but in the DirectVobSub filter (OR in its current configuration, at least). Normally VSFilter should be configured for opening external subtitles only. You can also try disabling the option "auto-load subtitles" in the MPC-HC settings. And/or block DirectVobSub in the "external filters" window.

FWIW, and for the curious, setting the merit of VSFilter to "as high as possible" makes it behave like a "non-operating" raw video filter. :)

[robpdotcom]

Yes, it is possible. First you should go in "Options" --> "Capture" to set up things. Then you need to click on "Open device" and to use the "Scan" button.

Hmmm. I can only connect to the tuner when set to analog. When I set it to digital I get "BDE Error: could not connect Network or Tuner". Does MPC not support ATSC? I did some searching and found where someone said it only supports DVB-t.:confused:

[pankov]

To me, it seems a problem not in the MPEG splitter, but in the DirectVobSub filter (OR in its current configuration, at least). Normally VSFilter should be configured for opening external subtitles only. You can also try disabling the option "auto-load subtitles" in the MPC-HC settings. And/or block DirectVobSub in the "external filters" window.

FWIW, and for the curious, setting the merit of VSFilter to "as high as possible" makes it behave like a "non-operating" raw video filter. :)
Midzuki,
I dare to disagree with you. Embedded subtitles are something nice and DirectVobSub should be able (should be configured) to show them if it's the default subtitle filter as it's in my case. The problem is that MPC's MPEG Splitter makes up some kind of subtitle stream/pin which is not actually present in the file and thus lies to the player/other filters after it.
I don't use MPC-HC but nevertheless disabling "auto-load subtitles" (present as an option in Zoomplayer too) will ruin the playback of other files which actually have subtitles so I hope the developers will see this as a bug and fix it.

[XPC]

Hmmm. I can only connect to the tuner when set to analog. When I set it to digital I get "BDE Error: could not connect Network or Tuner". Does MPC not support ATSC? I did some searching and found where someone said it only supports DVB-t.:confused:

You are right. As of today we can only confirm that DVB-t is supported. The main reason is that the few developers we are working on this have only access to DVB-t, so even though ATSC should be quite similar, has never been tested.

You might open a ticket on this. Then we could do some debugging and testing with your help.

BTW which network provider were you using, the ATSC one or the Generic Microsoft Network provider?

[done75]

hi all, i've a problem: i selected madVR in MPCHC 32bit but it doesn't work (i think..).
a screenshot:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5496/immagyg.jpg

i don't understand where's the problem....i use without problems madVR on KMP & PotPlayer....

[stax76]

Main Menu > View > Options > Output > DirectShow Video > madVR

[Midzuki]

Midzuki,
I dare to disagree with you. Embedded subtitles are something nice and DirectVobSub should be able (should be configured) to show them if it's the default subtitle filter as it's in my case. The problem is that MPC's MPEG Splitter makes up some kind of subtitle stream/pin which is not actually present in the file and thus lies to the player/other filters after it.
I don't use MPC-HC but nevertheless disabling "auto-load subtitles" (present as an option in Zoomplayer too) will ruin the playback of other files which actually have subtitles so I hope the developers will see this as a bug and fix it.

I was not clear enough --- apologies. :o I forgot to say that I think ffdshow (in spite of all its flaws) is better at handling embedded subtitles than VSFilter. And yes you are right, what I proposed is just a workaround, not an actual solution to the actual problem.

P.S.: Now, I think there is a "similar" bug in MPC's Real Media Splitter,
I will try to patch it and will see what happens. :)

[nevcairiel]

hi all, i've a problem: i selected madVR in MPCHC 32bit but it doesn't work (i think..).

i don't understand where's the problem....i use without problems madVR on KMP & PotPlayer....


Make sure that your video decoder is capable of outputting YV12, anything else will not work with madVR. "Video Renderer" is the fallback renderer, which suggests that your decoder does in fact not output YV12

[done75]

Main Menu > View > Options > Output > DirectShow Video > madVR

yes, it's selected....the screenshot is obviously made with this option selected....

[stax76]

I missed you wrote selected. Did you notice that not only the file name is visibly but also the full path in the filter list? If you paint over it usually means either pirated or porn, changing the file path to something inconspicuous would obviously be more advantageous. If a mod notices that file path you might be in trouble, even painting over can raise questions.

[done75]

I missed you wrote selected. Did you notice that not only the file name is visibly but also the full path in the filter list? If you paint over it usually means either pirated or porn, changing the file path to something inconspicuous would obviously be more advantageous. If a mod notices that file path you might be in trouble, even painting over can raise questions.

this post make me notice that my problem is present only with avi.files!!!!!!! i searched others videos to correct my topic and i saw that with mkv,mp4 and 3gp files madVR works!!!!
with AVI not!!! :confused:

[leeperry]

bug hunting is still contributing
leeperry is one user who springs to mind who has received the occasional wrath of god.
I've worked for a few software companies as software QA and third level tech.support...and yes I always like to betatest and whine hoping to see problems solved. Some closed software coders don't care(Haali and the huge number of bugs in HR/HMS), some are happy to find a dedicated tester and fix the bugs he finds(uLilith, Reclock, PotPlayer)...the coders of those 3 apps only care for one thing: polishing their software even further, and they always took my bug reports seriously. The coder of PotPlayer often ends up selling his software to companies for a good price, so he's clearly not working for free.

About GPL software, many problems lie in: 1) the code has been touched by a lot of inexperienced coders, and it's an ugly mess...to the point that a skilled coder would wonder how it even works :confused: Vincent Burel takes forever to code stuff, but it works wonders...the mess in ffdshow/MPC HC will scare them off for sure, some ppl refuse to "polish turds". 2) as madshi said, skilled coders have better things to do than wasting their time at working for free. The only ppl you will find coding on GPL software are 1) skilled coders that wanna fix a bug that annoys them personally(Beliyaal and his impressive EVR CP comes to mind) 2) inexperienced coders that need field experience.

GPL software is often a lost cause as far as bug fixing is concerned, as very little ppl have an interest in working for free. Internet fame doesn't pay the bills.

And then you have the shady ppl who will fix the GPL software, but call it theirs in their own closed source stuff..the so-called "hall of shame".

Maybe the solution is about end-users paying bounties to see bugs fixed in GPL software.

[namaiki]

this post make me notice that my problem is present only with avi.files!!!!!!! i searched others videos to correct my topic and i saw that with mkv,mp4 and 3gp files madVR works!!!!
with AVI not!!! :confused:

Check things to do with de-interlacing and hardware acceleration/overlay in DivX Codec Settings. You have to make sure that the DivX Decoder Filter is outputting YV12.

[done75]

Check things to do with de-interlacing and hardware acceleration/overlay in DivX Codec Settings. You have to make sure that the DivX Decoder Filter is outputting YV12.

Thank You!!!
Deselect "Hardware Deinterlace" in divx codec settings made madVR work!!! :thanks:

[jos99]

Recent recordings of BBC HD (UK) give sound but no video, using internal or external codecs/splitters in MPC-HC - sample (http://www.mediafire.com/file/otkc2j0ptl41kej/BBC%20HD%20%28AC3%2Ceng%29_10-02_23-39-50_Live%20at%20the%20Apollo.ts) 22MB

[rahzel]

I have 3 PC's and one that I built for someone. All but one of the computers can output NV12, but the 3 others will only output RGB32 (according to EVR CP's display under mixer output). This is with both ffdshow and coreavc set to be force NV12 (unchecking the other formats). The only PC that is able to output different formats is running a Radeon HD5450. The others are running a 9800GT, integrated 780G/HD3200 and integrated 760G/3000.

So basically I want to know why I can't set the output to something other than RGB32 for these PC's.

[XhmikosR]

Recent recordings of BBC HD (UK) give sound but no video, using internal or external codecs/splitters in MPC-HC - sample (http://www.mediafire.com/file/otkc2j0ptl41kej/BBC%20HD%20%28AC3%2Ceng%29_10-02_23-39-50_Live%20at%20the%20Apollo.ts) 22MB

Open a new ticket.

[Egh]

Overriding sub styles with a default preset is arguably best sub feature ever :) Pretty smart I'd say! However there're couple of problems with it.

First, I'm not sure what sub resolution it uses. It seems MPCHC uses subresolution provided by the currently selected sub track. Thus default style, especially font size and shadow/outline setting may look differently each time (in fact even when you switch between different tracks if they have specify different rezo) Suggestion: for the default style, always use maximum sub resolution settings.

Second, it would be better to drop current shadow/outline controls, as they don't allow float numbers. Maybe replacing them with generic editboxes or something. I know integer controls have been there since the beginning, but that is somewhat outdated nowadays :)

[namaiki]

I have 3 PC's and one that I built for someone. All but one of the computers can output NV12, but the 3 others will only output RGB32 (according to EVR CP's display under mixer output). This is with both ffdshow and coreavc set to be force NV12 (unchecking the other formats). The only PC that is able to output different formats is running a Radeon HD5450. The others are running a 9800GT, integrated 780G/HD3200 and integrated 760G/3000.

So basically I want to know why I can't set the output to something other than RGB32 for these PC's.

I thought that on the latest builds of MPC-HC that RGB32 is always used.

[zmaster]

Sorry, it's probably already been considered, but ...
Are lacking in the ability of individual to choose to render video DVD. It is a pain to manually change the render before watching the dvd.

[namaiki]

Sorry, it's probably already been considered, but ...
Are lacking in the ability of individual to choose to render video DVD. It is a pain to manually change the render before watching the dvd.

You have to use one of the Microsoft video renderers. Nothing much I think can be done about that.

[zmaster]

Everyone likes to Haali Video Renderer (Nice renderer :/), but a bunch of MPC-HC + Haali can not play DVD because of problems with DVD navigation. Only one option to choose for DVD render separately, would be freed from the need to rearrange the tick. For example, the choice of EVR for watching DVD and Haali for everything else - it would be convenient.

[namaiki]

Everyone likes to Haali Video Renderer (Nice renderer :/), but a bunch of MPC-HC + Haali can not play DVD because of problems with DVD navigation. Only one option to choose for DVD render separately, would be freed from the need to rearrange the tick. For example, the choice of EVR for watching DVD and Haali for everything else - it would be convenient.

If you like Haali's Renderer, you can mimic it's output using EVR-CP by setting the rescaler from Bilinear to BiCubic A=-0.60.

[zmaster]

Thanks for the replies namaiki.

Can be one more question about the EVR-CP: How many buffers should be chosen?
p/s: Sorry for my English.

[namaiki]

Can be one more question about the EVR-CP: How many buffers should be chosen?
The default number should be fine.

[jos99]

Recent recordings of BBC HD (UK) give sound but no video, using internal or external codecs/splitters in MPC-HC - sample (http://www.mediafire.com/file/otkc2j0ptl41kej/BBC%20HD%20%28AC3%2Ceng%29_10-02_23-39-50_Live%20at%20the%20Apollo.ts) 22MB


Open a new ticket.
OK, done here (https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/829) #829.

[zmaster]

namaiki,
Thanks.

[jos99]

OK, done here (https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/829) #829.
sansnom05 has confirmed the internal TS splitter isn't working with it, but if you use external lavfsplitter (MPC HC standalone filter?) or Haali it does work (using Shark codec pack, you need to select "Use Microsoft/Haali splitter" instead of automatic on MP4 tab).

[rahzel]

Few questions:
1) Is there any difference between the MSVC 2008 and 2010 builds? Does it matter which one you get?

2) I had an older version of MPC HC installed, and whenever I changed the colorspace output in ffdshow or CoreAVC, when I set MPC to display the renderer stats (using EVP CP) under mixer output, it would display the color space output that I had set in the decoder settings, but since I updated MPC HC to the newest version, it always says RGB32. From what I found out doing my own research, the mixer output =/= decoder output. I decided to see if switching the decoder output still did in fact change the color space, and it does. Just wondering.
I thought that on the latest builds of MPC-HC that RGB32 is always used.
You're right. As I said above, I was using an older build.

[MPC-HTPC]

Hi rahzel,

to your first question: There is no difference in funtionality between MSVC 2008 and 2010 builds. The MSVC 2010 build uses some code optimizations for SSE2 CPUs and in my opinion MPC-HC feels more responsive, so as long as your CPU is SSE2 compatible you should use MSVC 2010 builds.

[_xxl]

Just curious ... how much faster is mpc SSE2 version?

[rahzel]

Hi rahzel,

to your first question: There is no difference in funtionality between MSVC 2008 and 2010 builds. The MSVC 2010 build uses some code optimizations for SSE2 CPUs and in my opinion MPC-HC feels more responsive, so as long as your CPU is SSE2 compatible you should use MSVC 2010 builds.
Thank you.

Will it also utilize less CPU power?