Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[jasonwc]

please use this checklist http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Troubleshooting+guidelines
If the problem still happens after doing all that report it on the tracker on sourceforge.

Also you want to test this special build : http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb118529/9012/mplayercgs.exe

Please test only 32bit for now.

I enabled the internal Matroska filter rather than Haali on the 32 bit build and I didn't see any corruption in over 40 minutes. I'm going to watch a few videos and report back, but it may have been Haali that was the issue.

If the problem persists, I will report back with the requested information. Thanks!

[jasonwc]

By the way, does the x64 version of MPC-HC offer any practical advantages over the 32 bit version in terms of performance or speed? I found the performance to be pretty much identical to that of the 32 bit version for H.264 software decoding with CoreAVC and hardware decoding with the included filters.

[Dreamer-FLT]

I enabled the internal Matroska filter rather than Haali on the 32 bit build and I didn't see any corruption in over 40 minutes. I'm going to watch a few videos and report back, but it may have been Haali that was the issue.

If the problem persists, I will report back with the requested information. Thanks!

MPC-H, all versions, having problems with G45-DXVA accelerated MPEG4-AVC content, inside a transport stream (H.264 high profile):



Problematic stream (high profile):

http://www.silent-dreams.de/images/2.png


General
ID : 6
Complete name : \\DREAMBOX800\Harddisk1\movie\hdtv\HDTV - HD perfekt.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 696 MiB
Duration : 13mn 16s
Overall bit rate : 7 332 Kbps

Video
ID : 767 (0x2FF)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 13mn 15s
Bit rate : 5 927 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : Component
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.114
Stream size : 562 MiB (81%)
colour_primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio #1
ID : 771 (0x303)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 13mn 15s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -482ms
Stream size : 42.5 MiB (6%)
Language : German
Language, more info : Clean effects

Audio #2
ID : 772 (0x304)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 13mn 15s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -553ms
Stream size : 42.5 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Clean effects

Menu
ID : 98 (0x62)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81)
List : 767 (0x2FF) (AVC) / 771 (0x303) (AC-3, German) / 772 (0x304) (AC-3, English)



Flawlessly plaback (main pofile)


http://www.silent-dreams.de/images/1.png

General
Complete name : Z:\Sat1HD-trueHD-20M.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
Format profile : No PAT/PMT
File size : 20.0 MiB
Duration : 10s 400ms
Overall bit rate : 16.1 Mbps

Video
ID : 511 (0x1FF)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 10s 160ms
Bit rate : 14.6 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 088 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.279
Stream size : 17.6 MiB (88%)
colour_primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 515 (0x203)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 10s 400ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -1s 224ms
Stream size : 569 KiB (3%)



DXVA-accelerated MOV and MKV (MPEG4-AVC) are looking good (G45 GPU inside a Lenovo SL500). The corrupted looking TS comes from a Dreambox DM800 HDTV DVB-Box, which is very common and often used here in germany.

- Windows Vista Ultimate 32Bit
- 4GB RAM, Core2Duo CPU
- MPC-HC X86 (all xvideo.ru versions tested, actual related build 1.3.276 and 1.3.278)
- Lenovo SL500 with G45 GPU

Of course I'm publishing a short test sample (2-3MB) for debugging, if needed.

Regards,
Thomas

[alexins]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 1280 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/853/1/)

Supported languages: BR, BY, CN, CZ, DE, EN, ES, FR, HU, IT, KR, PL, RU, SE, SK, TR, UA

Changes log (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/7/17/)

•Update : libpng 1.2.4;
•Updated : Polish translation.

Attention!
To work correctly, the program needed to install a DIRECTX End-User Runtime to the version 9.27.1734 ( 9/8/2009 ) (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3) .

[73ChargerFan]

please use this checklist http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Troubleshooting+guidelines
Er, IMHO the checklist is overkill, too much time. Some bugs have never been looked at and having to answer all these questions a third time is too much. The bug reports I've contributed to have enough info to debug them - they are parts of code not used by many, but can be confirmed.

[tetsuo55]

Er, IMHO the checklist is overkill, too much time. Some bugs have never been looked at and having to answer all these questions a third time is too much. The bug reports I've contributed to have enough info to debug them - they are parts of code not used by many, but can be confirmed.I agree the checklist is long, all that information is required though for most bugs.
I hope we can put all the debug stuff into mpc-hc itself and reduce it to only 3 things to check for the end user.

Can you list your bug reports? I will check each one and tell you which information to add (if any)

[matthew_eli]

I recently upgraded to the latest version version of MPC-HC (1.3.1249) and have enabled the DXVA codecs for my Intel G45 based laptop. My laptop, an Asus U81A, has an Intel 4500MHD and appears to be supported. I can decode 720p and 1080p x264 videos using the DXVA H.264 codec, however I see artifacting every 15-30 minutes. The display is overlayed with a green/red blocky tinge which disappears after a few seconds.

I originally thought the issue was due to file corruption. However, the issue does not arise when using CoreAVC for playback. In addition, I found the issue with several 720p and 1080p L4.1 x264 videos, all of which passed MD5 checks ensuring that the files were not corrupted. I used the EVR Custom output mode and used the latest Haali Media Splitter.

I am using the 32 bit version of MPC-HC on Windows 7 Ultimate. DXVA also works on MPC-HC x64, however, I have not used it enough to discover whether the problem occurs there. I will test with the internal matroska splitter to see whether the problem goes away.

Thanks again for adding hardware acceleration for Intel G45 based systems. It really helps to keep my system cool, and save battery life. I hope I can get this problem resolved, though. If you need any more info, or if I can be of assistance by testing, please feel free to ask.

Jason

I have your same problem, but with ATI mobility video card and newer ATI Catalyst: as I report in this post:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1318002#post1318002

I have this problem with newer Catalyst (> 9.1) and my mobility ATI Radeon HD 3650. The artifacts appears dor few seconds (until the current scene changes) and randomly after 10-15 min. There are some glithes when I see H264 videos with subtitles, especially when it is rendered at desktop resolution. The problem occurs either with MKV or MP4 files and with internal or external splitter (Gabest or Haali).

I test DNA Drivers, that has previous DXVA Catalyst implementation for my mobility card and all works perfectly with the same settings, so I think that this is a MPC-HC DXVA problem with new DXVA methods of ATI Catalyst and mobility card.

I tried 1249 and 1276 revision, but the problem still persists, rather, with the latest version, there are some green block that with 249 doesn't appear. I have DirectX August 09 version installed and C++ 2005 and 2008 runtime installed with all the updates.

If you need other infos, please contact me. This problem occurs with all H.264 videos (below High@L4.1 specific that are ATI limit) and I can't reproduce it with short video because of its occurence and randomness

[tetsuo55]

I have your same problem, but with ATI mobility video card and newer ATI Catalyst: as I report in this post:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1318002#post1318002

I have this problem with newer Catalyst (> 9.1) and my mobility ATI Radeon HD 3650. The artifacts appears dor few seconds (until the current scene changes) and randomly after 10-15 min. There are some glithes when I see H264 videos with subtitles, especially when it is rendered at desktop resolution. The problem occurs either with MKV or MP4 files and with internal or external splitter (Gabest or Haali).

I test DNA Drivers, that has previous DXVA Catalyst implementation for my mobility card and all works perfectly with the same settings, so I think that this is a MPC-HC DXVA problem with new DXVA methods of ATI Catalyst and mobility card.

I tried 1249 and 1276 revision, but the problem still persists, rather, with the latest version, there are some green block that with 249 doesn't appear. I have DirectX August 09 version installed and C++ 2005 and 2008 runtime installed with all the updates.

If you need other infos, please contact me. This problem occurs with all H.264 videos (below High@L4.1 specific that are ATI limit) and I can't reproduce it with short video because of its occurence and randomnessI have a lot of questions actually

Can you please fill in this checklist:
http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Troubleshooting+guidelines

Subtitles are known to cause artifacts, tearing and stuttering.
Please make sure you run all your tests on a file that does not have subtitles and that you have disabled the internal subtitle renderer and vsfilter.

It is explained in the checklist

[matthew_eli]

I have a lot of questions actually

Can you please fill in this checklist:
http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Troubleshooting+guidelines

Subtitles are known to cause artifacts, tearing and stuttering.

But it is strange, because with older driver there is no problem...

Please make sure you run all your tests on a file that does not have subtitles and that you have disabled the internal subtitle renderer and vsfilter.

It is explained in the checklist

I just add new bug in tracker list. Thanks for your support

[anybody]

I recently upgraded to the latest version version of MPC-HC (1.3.1249) and have enabled the DXVA codecs for my Intel G45 based laptop. [...] however I see artifacting every 15-30 minutes [...].


I have the same problems with most (or all?) x264/mkv files I play on my Dell Latitude e4300 Laptop with Intel GMA4500HD graphics. DXVA works and keeps the fan quiet (which is SOOO great), but I also have those corrupt (I-?) Frames every 15-30 minutes!

I'm using Win7-RTM 64bit with the latest MPC-HC final build (also 64bit), but I've also had this with older SVN builds. Have not tried SVN builds newer than the official release yet.

I use EVR Custom and the internal Matroska Splitter, and have installed the latest DirectX Enduser Runtimes. Regarding Intel Drivers, I've had this with all the Intel drivers that were auto-installed by Win7, and it continues to be a problem with the latest intel driver that I installed yesterday by hand (which is from 2009-08-13 according to the device manager).

I'm using DXVA even though I have these corruptions because the quiet fan is more important to me than the corruptions once-in-a-while. But of course if this could be fixed, it would be REALLY great.

I guess I could cut out some short samples tonight from a few MKVs using mkvmerge, if needed.

[tetsuo55]

Does the corruption go away if you

A: Disable subtitles completely
B: Use this build: http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb118529/9012/mplayercgs.exe

[hrr]

MPC-H, all versions, having problems with G45-DXVA accelerated MPEG4-AVC content, inside a transport stream (H.264 high profile):
[...]

General
ID : 6
Complete name : \\DREAMBOX800\Harddisk1\movie\hdtv\HDTV - HD perfekt.ts
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 696 MiB
Duration : 13mn 16s
Overall bit rate : 7 332 Kbps

Video
ID : 767 (0x2FF)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 13mn 15s
Bit rate : 5 927 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : Component
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.114
Stream size : 562 MiB (81%)
colour_primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
[...]

I think it has been reported that there is problems with interlaced material.

Flawlessly plaback (main pofile)

[...]
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.279
Stream size : 17.6 MiB (88%)
colour_primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

And the progressive material works without problems. :)

[Mercury_22]

I think it has been reported that there is problems with interlaced material.



And the progressive material works without problems. :)

Do you have Enable frame time correction ?

[ikarad]

please use this checklist http://mpc-hc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Troubleshooting+guidelines
If the problem still happens after doing all that report it on the tracker on sourceforge.

Also you want to test this special build : http://www.bahnhofbredband.se/~wb118529/9012/mplayercgs.exe

Please test only 32bit for now.

1) this problem still exists with mpc-hc 1280 ID: 2805913
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2805913&group_id=170561&atid=854651

you said 14th August 2009, 10:12
Casimir has your sample already. (the first time you posted it)

it's not corrected today with mpc-hc 1280. I reported this bug on bug report the 13/6/2009. it doesn't worked.



i try with dxaugust 2009 and there is the same problem

2)this problem still exists with mpc-hc 1280
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2795839&group_id=170561&atid=854651

you said that beliyall works but I have nerver seen a correction of this bug.
Date: 2009-06-01 01:14
Sender: tetsuo55Project Admin

Beliyaal could you comment?

as explained in the bug report the last version that works is 972.

i try with dxaugust 2009 and there is the same problem

one question: why modify priority level if it's not corrected because 1 is too low?

[ikarad]

new bug: fullscreen doesn't work since 1276
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2858682&group_id=170561&atid=854651

[alexins]

new bug: fullscreen doesn't work since 1276
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2858682&group_id=170561&atid=854651

DX August 2009 installed?

[ikarad]

DX August 2009 installed?

thanks, I try with august and it works.

[Jong]

As MPC-HC keeps using the latest and greatest DX updates it really needs to check and display a warning if DX needs updating.

[stax76]

On which Windows Versions is a DX update required?

[tetsuo55]

On which Windows Versions is a DX update required?All windows versions, from 2000 to 7 64bit

EDIT: looks like 98 support is a typo, changed it to 2000

[THX-UltraII]

I just made a big step :) and installed Windows7 x64. A lot of questions rise up after some hours playing with mpc-hc now:

first of all: I would like to know which settings are best to pick (in XP SP3 I used EVR custom) as for output.

Also, I did see that windows7 uses directx11 and in mpc-hc I can only select directx9 (need this for subtitles). Do I just pick directx9 in the mpc-hc config and will this be ok then?

I ll post my first problem here and hope I can work step by step to a 100% working config:

problem 1:
my .mkv files seems to play fine until now. `however, I also have some .wmv and dvd (video_ts etc) material. When selecting evr custom as output I have no picture (only some 'colory screens' sometime). This can be solved by choosing EVR (not custom) but I want evr custom. (or maybe this isnt needed at all in w7 anymore but thats why I ask :))

I ll leave for this now.....

thanks

one more edit for this post: do I still need the directx aug2009 update or is this not relevant at all anymore since directx11 is installed on w7?

[tetsuo55]

I just made a big step :) and installed Windows7 x64. A lot of questions rise up after some hours playing with mpc-hc now:

first of all: I would like to know which settings are best to pick (in XP SP3 I used EVR custom) as for output.

Also, I did see that windows7 uses directx11 and in mpc-hc I can only select directx9 (need this for subtitles). Do I just pick directx9 in the mpc-hc config and will this be ok then?

I ll post my first problem here and hope I can work step by step to a 100% working config:

problem 1:
my .mkv files seems to play fine until now. `however, I also have some .wmv and dvd (video_ts etc) material. When selecting evr custom as output I have no picture (only some 'colory screens' sometime). This can be solved by choosing EVR (not custom) but I want evr custom. (or maybe this isnt needed at all in w7 anymore but thats why I ask :))

I ll leave for this now.....

thanks

one more edit for this post: do I still need the directx aug2009 update or is this not relevant at all anymore since directx11 is installed on w7?you forgot to install directx aug2009 and its causing everything you posted about

On win7 EVR-CP with default settings should be enough (and if you use GS build you should enable a sync function)

[88keyz]

Since the version changed to 1.3.xxxx I have been unable to get DTS audio out over SPDIF using the internal filters. Last working version was 1.2.1179 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/834/2/).

When I upgrade to any svn build from 1245 on I am no longer getting DTS audio over SPDIF using the internal filters. If I use Spdifer or any other external SPDIF filter to handle the DTS stream (including registering MpaDecFilter.ax from the svn 1179 standalone filters pack as a system filter and loading it as an external filter) then everything is fine. When I downgrade back to svn 1179 it works perfect as well.

Tested with multiple files with both AC3 and DTS audio and every time the files with AC3 audio will output audio over the SPDIF and the DTS coded audio files won't.

The SPDIF output in question is from the IDT onboard audio of an Intel DG965WH mobo which is running the latest drivers from the Intel site. Nothing changes in system settings and nothing changes in MPC-HC settings just the build number, 1179=good, 1245+=no DTS over SPDIF. I have cleaned the registry and .ini settings and nothing seems to make a difference.

Since registering the old svn filter works with the new build I would say the problem here lies with the MpaDecFilter.ax filter itself. I can confirm that this was not present up until svn 1179 and that as of svn 1245 (and up until as least 1280) it is a problem. Any suggestions and is anyone else having similar issues with DTS streams over SPDIF using internal filters?

Lastly, I am currently running svn 1280 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/853/2/) x86 build on Vista 32-bit. And yes I'm running the most current DirectX (Aug 2009) and yes my Windows Updates are current and no I'm not running any codec packs such as K-Lite or CCCP.

[tetsuo55]

Does FFdshow dts spdif work?

[stax76]

All windows versions, from 2000 to 7 64bit

I don't like that I have to install a DX update but can understand it, in StaxRip I'm always using the newest .NET tech as there are usually quite a few cool new features. In other smaller tools I've releases I'm using only the .NET features included with Vista so people don't have to bother installing a update.

[tetsuo55]

I don't like that I have to install a DX update but can understand it, in StaxRip I'm always using the newest .NET tech as there are usually quite a few cool new features. In other smaller tools I've releases I'm using only the .NET features included with Vista so people don't have to bother installing a update.i can understand.

Microsoft has a policy of never including redists with servicepacks and new windows versions

MPC-HC uses the directX redist extensively, and with every new update we rely on it more and more.
unlike .net, directx does not cause any overhead when not being used

[tetsuo55]

Can one of the dev's or compilers update the compiling instruction to match the current state

-Several dependencies included in svn
-DirectX, SDK and VC have been updated

i updated as many links as possible on the wiki:
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/mpc-hc/index.php?title=How_to_compile_the_MPC

Here is the document in the svn:
http://mpc-hc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mpc-hc/trunk/Compilation.txt?revision=1205&view=markup

Both have to be as accurate, easy and noob proof as possible

[mark0077]

tetsuo55, I'm going to be updating my bug reports with the new information thats required (with your recent comments to all bug reports).

I was wondering if its appropriate to make a bug report against mpc-hc not warning the user of things like directx versions being too old etc. Only because I frequent these forums, I know that I had to download the august directx redist to get ps2.0 scaling working corretly, other users won't be so fortunate though.

[88keyz]

Does FFdshow dts spdif work?

Yes, SPDIF pass-through works fine for FFdshow for both DTS and AC3. To date I've tested (latest working build in brackets) FFdshow (v. 3071), Spdifer (v. 0.3), AC3filter (v. 1.63b) and MPC - Audio Decoder filter (svn 1179). Its only the current MPC-HC internal filter for DTS that fails to pass any info through SPDIF. If there are any other pass-through filters you want me to test then let me know, those 4 are the only ones I could think of to try and they all work. Any thoughts?

[tetsuo55]

tetsuo55, I'm going to be updating my bug reports with the new information thats required (with your recent comments to all bug reports).

I was wondering if its appropriate to make a bug report against mpc-hc not warning the user of things like directx versions being too old etc. Only because I frequent these forums, I know that I had to download the august directx redist to get ps2.0 scaling working corretly, other users won't be so fortunate though.Im rewriting the bug reporting rules again after some very good feedback from Mercury, so wait a day or 2.

The software update thing should be added to the feature request tracker
Yes, SPDIF pass-through works fine for FFdshow for both DTS and AC3. To date I've tested (latest working build in brackets) FFdshow (v. 3071), Spdifer (v. 0.3), AC3filter (v. 1.63b) and MPC - Audio Decoder filter (svn 1179). Its only the current MPC-HC internal filter for DTS that fails to pass any info through SPDIF. If there are any other pass-through filters you want me to test then let me know, those 4 are the only ones I could think of to try and they all work. Any thoughts?Thanks, you dont have to test anything else. The reason i wanted you to test ffdshow is because the code for spdif is very similar to that in mpc

[clsid]

If MPC only works properly with a certain version of the d3dx dll, then it should only attempt to use that specific version, not any older version.

[mark0077]

If MPC only works properly with a certain version of the d3dx dll, then it should only attempt to use that specific version, not any older version.

I think your right there.

[jasonwc]

It's a known problem with the Intel drivers it seems. You just have to be patient and wait until Intel fixes their drivers.

http://downloadmirror.intel.com/17801/eng/relnotes_winvista_gfx.htm

I've run into the artifcating/corruption issue again with a few 1080p L4.1 MKV videos when using DXVA acceleration on my 4500MHD using the internal matroska splitter. Should I submit a full bug report? The problem sounds like it's caused by the bug in Intel's driver so I'm not sure if a report would be of any value.

[THX-UltraII]

you forgot to install directx aug2009 and its causing everything you posted about

On win7 EVR-CP with default settings should be enough (and if you use GS build you should enable a sync function)


thanks! I have no internet connection on my HTPC at the moment. Is the aug. package also available for full download if you don t have a connection?

edit: nevermind, found the package

[tetsuo55]

thanks! I have no internet connection on my HTPC at the moment. Is the aug. package also available for full download if you don t have a connection?The trouble guide links to full installers only, here is the link(103.3MB):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=04ac064b-00d1-474e-b7b1-442d8712d553

If anyone was wondering what the point is of this one over the last, it grew with more than 10 MB!

[THX-UltraII]

thanks for all your quick responses tetsuo!

the installation helped me with a lot of problems. Still, there are some remaining issues when playing standard def. dvds:

1. when I play a regular dvd (.vob files etc) no subtitles are shown (I know there are there on the dvd and I did select them in the languages menu, however, there are not displayed)

2. in the menu I can navigate but the menus dont 'highlight' so its guessing for me where eg. the square in the title menu is at that moment.

3. in the left corner of MPC=HC I see 'playing (DXVA)'. In the filters this isnt shown (ps. I dont want/need DXVA)

thanks

[tetsuo55]

thanks for all your quick responses tetsuo!

the installation helped me with a lot of problems. Still, there are some remaining issues when playing standard def. dvds:

1. when I play a regular dvd (.vob files etc) no subtitles are shown (I know there are there on the dvd and I did select them in the languages menu, however, there are not displayed) Have you enabled the internal subtitle renderer? View > Options > Plaback > "auto-load subtitles"
When DXVA is used vobsub cannot work.

2. in the menu I can navigate but the menus dont 'highlight' so its guessing for me where eg. the square in the title menu is at that moment
3. in the left corner of MPC=HC I see 'playing (DXVA)'. In the filters this isnt shown (ps. I dont want/need DXVA)

thanks
2. is a known problem with dvd navigator / mpeg2 decoder combo problem.
3. probably means your mpeg2 decoder (which doesnt appear to be compatible with the dvd navigator) is using dxva.

Make a screenshot of the CTRL+J statistics open and rightmouseclick filters opened for further troubleshooting.

[THX-UltraII]

Have you enabled the internal subtitle renderer? View > Options > Plaback > "auto-load subtitles"
When DXVA is used vobsub cannot work.
yes, auto-load subtitles is checked


2. is a known problem with dvd navigator / mpeg2 decoder combo problem.
3. probably means your mpeg2 decoder (which doesnt appear to be compatible with the dvd navigator) is using dxva.

Make a screenshot of the CTRL+J statistics open and rightmouseclick filters opened for further troubleshooting.

but why is it that this worked ok on xp sp3 when I used the same MPC-HC settings?

Here are some screens:
The first screenshot shows a menu of my dvd. When I used XP there was a white square shown @play extended version.

The second screenshot shows the DXVA notification and the third a CTRL+J screen

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5776/56537840.png (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/56537840.png/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4508/13342980.png (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/13342980.png/)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3331/21105419.png (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/21105419.png/)

[cca]

DXVA and DVD menus never worked ever since Windows Vista. Other directshow players are also affected. Blame microsoft.

[tetsuo55]

@THX-UltraII

I still need to know which filters you use.
and cca is probably right, i don't use dxva for my dvd's and menu's work reasonably well.

This is a known problem, but there might be a solution for it eventually, there is a POC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_concept) where dvd navigation works perfectly with any combination of navigator/decoder.
Hopefully it can be used eventually to get dvd navigation working better in mpc-hc

[starla]

DXVA and DVD menus never worked ever since Windows Vista. Other directshow players are also affected. Blame microsoft.

Not quite true. Using corresponding DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoder filters you are able to use DXVA under Windows Vista & Windows 7, without any DVD menu issues.

And like tetsuo55 says, it might be even possible to use mixed DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoders. But it would require some extra support from the directshow player itself (it is easier from the developers point of view just to ask users to have matching filters in use).

[cca]

Not quite true. Using corresponding DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoder filters you are able to use DXVA under Windows Vista & Windows 7, without any DVD menu issues.

And like tetsuo55 says, it might be even possible to use mixed DVD navigator and MPEG2 decoders. But it would require some extra support from the directshow player itself (it is easier from the developers point of view just to ask users to have matching filters in use).

With extra support from the player it is possible, there are ways. With just a simple automatic filter graph it will just not work as it is in any player. One such way was coded in ZoomPlayer, by connecting the Subpicture Out pin of the decoder to a second input pin of the Video Renderer.

[THX-UltraII]

@THX-UltraII

I still need to know which filters you use.
and cca is probably right, i don't use dxva for my dvd's and menu's work reasonably well

I also dont want to use DXVA and I m not sure if DXVA is beeing used despite the notification at the left corner of MPC-HC.

Here is a screenshot with the filters beeing used with the subtitles problem (not showing) and dvd navigation problem:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4136/59164490.png (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/59164490.png/)

[tetsuo55]

You are using the crappy ms mpeg2 decoder which uses DXVA

Try using the internal mpeg2 decoder instead.

[fastplayer]

Is it really necessary to post 2MB PNG images?! :mad:

[tetsuo55]

Is it really necessary to post 2MB PNG images?! :mad:
THX-UltraII > you should use the formum(1) link next time

[THX-UltraII]

THX-UltraII > you should use the formum(1) link next time

sorry, how does this work?

[pirlouy]

He means: just put a link to your image. Don't display it in this thread.
And IMO you should use Jpg instead of png. Png is not adapted for video...

[THX-UltraII]

You are using the crappy ms mpeg2 decoder which uses DXVA

Try using the internal mpeg2 decoder instead.


this works fine now! thanks!

Another question: I have installed W7 the X64 version. I just downloaded the X64 MPC-HC version and X64 ffdshow. Is it correct that Haali and CoreAVC are not supported and that I cannot use them as external filters? (and in this case have to 'downgrade' to MPC-HC and FFdshow x86?)

[alexins]

... X64 MPC-HC version and X64 ffdshow. Is it correct that Haali and CoreAVC are not supported and that I cannot use them as external filters?

Haali Media Splitter x86/x64 experimental (http://haali.net/mkv/mkx.y.9.exe)