Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[fixed]

Maybe font, that you select for subtitle have error with. Try default font, like Arial, Tahoma, Times New Roman ...
mpc-hc always resets default font to arial after restart.

[briantokyo]

One more test, this time I uncompressed the video first (Uncompressed RGB/YCbCr in virtualdub)
In this case, with uncompressed video, HC VMR9 looks way better than when it was XVID (taking the xvid as source, so the video should be the same)

http://techsuki.net/apps/MalUpdater/mpcqcomparison6.png

[Aleksoid1978]

mpc-hc always resets default font to arial after restart.

I just now test - start MPC-HC, change font to Verdana and also change some other parameters, close MPC-HC.

Start MPC-HC - and my subtitle settings save.

Settings store to registry - maybe you store in .INI ???

[rica]

Now i use 177.41 Vista x64, 175.19 XP x86, but for me VC1 work fine on all drivers, that i change in last two-three month ...

Alex,

177.41 doesn't accept my 8600 GTS on Vista32 (SP1)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8427/alex03ky1.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alex03ky1.jpg)

Supported GPUs seem those:

GeForce GTX 280
GeForce GTX 260
nForce 780a SLI
nForce 750a SLI

[fixed]

Settings store to registry - maybe you store in .INI ???
yep, I store settings in ini. I use several copies of mpc (homecinema and guliverkli2) and I can not store settings in registry.

Updated:
I change option to store settings to registry but nothing changed. MPC-HC still resets default style after restart. I tried several fonts like verdana or times new roman.

P.S. MPC-HC 1.1.671.0 (x86), XP x64 SP2.

[Brazil2]

I'm experiencing what you are experiencing. However, this doesn't seem to be a DXVA-friendly file as I'm seeing that DXVA isn't being used when I play it.

However, it doesn't explain why VLC, which doesn't have DXVA capability AFAIK, is able to play the file just fine, according to you.
Anyway DXVA is not working on my system for some reason and I believe that CoreAVC is not using DXVA as well. But the synchro is perfect when CoreAVC is used with the internal MPC-HC splitter. So I think it might be an issue with the internal codec.
And this is the only HD video for now, DXVA compliant or not, which has given me troubles to play with MPC-HC.
I've also made some tests with other renderers (overlay mixer, VMR7 windowed, VMR7 renderless, 2D and 3D surfaces) and the result is the same.

As for VLC I've used the v0.9.0-test2 pre-release which can be found here:
http://downloads.videolan.org/pub/videolan/testing/vlc-0.9.0-test2/win32/vlc-0.9.0-test2-win32.7z

Nothing to install, just unpack and run. So you can test yourself.
VLC is using its own internal codecs so it won't mess up with your Direct Show codecs.
However I'm using the following setting for H264 playback optimization:
Open the menu Tools -> Preferences
Tick Show Settings -> All
Go to "Input/Codec"
Go to "Other codecs" subcategory
Go to "FFmpeg"
Put the "Skip loop filter for H264" to all
Apply and Save
Close and restart VLC

The video is playing like a charm.

[ranpha]

Testing again with MPC VMR9/MPC-HC VMR9/MPC-HC EVR

EVR looks much better than VMR9 for HC;, however, it seems to produce more artifacts


If you ask me, there is virtually no difference between the VMR and EVR pictures. Any artifacts you have seen may come down to the how different each renderer works.

About the blurring, it happens in some certain combinations with ffdshow. I've seen it before and I think you probably be able to get to avoid it if you use 2D surfaces instead of 3D ones.

[briantokyo]

If you ask me, there is virtually no difference between the VMR and EVR pictures. Any artifacts you have seen may come down to the how different each renderer works.

About the blurring, it happens in some certain combinations with ffdshow. I've seen it before and I think you probably be able to get to avoid it if you use 2D surfaces instead of 3D ones.

Tried 2D as well, it's in page 161 or 162 I think

[Aleksoid1978]

yep, I store settings in ini. I use several copies of mpc (homecinema and guliverkli2) and I can not store settings in registry.

Updated:
I change option to store settings to registry but nothing changed. MPC-HC still resets default style after restart. I tried several fonts like verdana or times new roman.

P.S. MPC-HC 1.1.671.0 (x86), XP x64 SP2.

hmmm, i can't reproduce this is bug .

Can you upload you ANSI .srt files ???

[ranpha]

Tried 2D as well, it's in page 161 or 162 I think

Then as the last resort, go to nVidia control panel and then disable all video post-processing features such as flesh tone correction, color vibrance, deinterlacer, edge sharpening etc. Then in ffdshow, do not use nv12 colorspace too.

[betaking]

:) New evrprop.dll form Windows SDK for Windows Server 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5!

[Kado]

@Brazil2
CoreAVC is a software decoder only, it does not support DXVA.
DXVA supporting decoders are:
Cyberlink h264/avc decoder
ARCSoft h264/ac decoder
MPC HC internal decoder
Mainconcept h264/avc decoder

Maybe some other like nero, but can't confirm.

@rica
Use 177.66 XP x86 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-ForceWare-177.66-XP-(32-bit)-download-1994.html) or vista x86 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-ForceWare-177.66-Vista-(32-bit)-download-1993.html) from guru3d.com , it supports all GPU's since FX series.

[rica]

[QUOTE=Kado;1159724@rica
Use 177.66 XP x86 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-ForceWare-177.66-XP-(32-bit)-download-1994.html) or vista x86 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-ForceWare-177.66-Vista-(32-bit)-download-1993.html) from guru3d.com , it supports all GPU's since FX series.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Kado, i'll give it a go :thanks:

[gngn]

Hello,
I've been wanting to switch to MPC-HC for some time, and I finally tried it and did some comparisons with MPC and MPC-HC. Using exactly the same settings, the quality in HC seems to be much worse. Maybe I'm missing some setting?

The screenshots on the left and top are MPC, right/bottom are MPC-HC. I took them as PNG so there's no quality loss over the capture.


under XP+Nvidia and VMR9renderless(3dsurfaces, Bilinear PS2.0 resize) playing a xvid file under MPC-HC rev671(internal decoder) and MPC 6.4.9.0(ffdshow tryout revision 2026 from 25Jun2008) i get the absolute same image:

MPC-HC rev671
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/th_mpc-hc.png (http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/mpc-hc.png)
MPC 6.4.9.0
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/th_mpc.png (http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii259/gngnmumu/mpc.png)

[rica]

@kado,

Nothing has changed in watching experience with VC1:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9919/kado01ve6.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado01ve6.jpg)


If you can watch VC1 on Vista 32 SP1 with the filters WM Video Decoder DMO with Video Mixing Renderer9 (renderless)
so it means i have to make a fresh re-install of Vista?

Here i tried with r671.

[briantokyo]

Then as the last resort, go to nVidia control panel and then disable all video post-processing features such as flesh tone correction, color vibrance, deinterlacer, edge sharpening etc. Then in ffdshow, do not use nv12 colorspace too.

Why should I do that when the original MPC works fine? it's clearly an issue with the HC edition.

[Kado]

@rica

Check here (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/vc1-idct.jpg).
Remember that nVidia does not support bitstream for vc1 except for GT200 gpus (can´t confirm that).

My GPU (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg)

[rica]

@rica

Check here (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/vc1-idct.jpg).
Remember that nVidia does not support bitstream for vc1 except for GT200 gpus (can´t confirm that).

My GPU (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg)

I don't think so.

Related with decoder:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1753/kado02qi2.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado02qi2.jpg)

With arcsoft, both HA decoding and HA deinterlacing works.

While :

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6053/kado03fq3.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado03fq3.jpg)

[K1ngp1ng]

vmr9 renderless is on par with evr when i disable vmr9 mixer mode.

[Kado]

@rica
Note that the offload NVIDIA has built into the G84/G86 GPUs is hardwired for H.264 decoding only; you get none of the benefit for MPEG-2 or VC1 encoded content. Admittedly H.264 is the more strenuous of the three, but given that VC1 content is still quite prevalent among HD-DVD titles it would be nice to have. Also note that as long as your decoder supports NVIDIA's VP2/BSP, any H.264 content will be accelerated. For MPEG-2 and VC1 content, the 8600 and 8500 can only handle inverse transform, motion compensation and in-loop deblocking and the rest of the pipe is handled by the host CPU; VP1 NVIDIA hardware only handles motion compensation and in-loop deblocking.
the full article here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977)

also check wikipedia about purevideo here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVideo)

[rica]

@kado,
[For VC-1 decoding, PureVideo 2 offloads the inverse discrete cosine transform (iDCT) and motion compensation stages, and relies on the host CPU to handle the bitstream processing/entropy stage of the video pipeline.[2]


http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8624/kado04yx6.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado04yx6.jpg)

Original fie is coming from Mariah Carey's BD, vc1 29.976 i.

Anandtech always supports ati :)

[Kado]

Remember that vc1 is way more "lighter" than h264.
Also wikipedia says that only GT200 and G94 gpus have advanced vc1 support.

[rica]

Ok, what about your 9600 GTX?
It's told your GPU supports PV3.
Give it a go with arcsoft TMT trial and compare CPU utilization?

[Aleksoid1978]

I don't think so.

Related with decoder:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1753/kado02qi2.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado02qi2.jpg)

With arcsoft, both HA decoding and HA deinterlacing works.

While :

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6053/kado03fq3.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado03fq3.jpg)

What is you video card ??? And what version Arcsoft ???

I try Arcsoft - and no DXVA with h264 and VC1 on 8800GT(XP and Vista)

[rica]

What is you video card ??? And what version Arcsoft ???

I try Arcsoft - and no DXVA with h264 and VC1 on 8800GT(XP and Vista)

8600 GTS (asus) on Vista 32 SP1, latest Windows SDK and Net Framework 3.5 and latest DX update is loaded. (175.19 and 177.66 FWs has been tried)
TMT version is 2.1.6.119 (latest version)

[Kado]

I have a 9800GTX (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg) (G92) that has purevideo2, only G94 GPU (9600GT) and GT200 (GTX280,GTX260) have purevideo3 and proper vc1 support.

[ooferomen]

I have a 9800GTX (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg) (G92) that has purevideo2, only G94 GPU (9600GT) and GT200 (GTX280,GTX260) have purevideo3 and proper vc1 support.

G98(8400GS) and MCP78 IGP(8200/8300) do too

[rica]

I have a 9800GTX (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg) (G92) that has purevideo2, only G94 GPU (9600GT) and GT200 (GTX280,GTX260) have purevideo3 and proper vc1 support.

Sorry, i forgot to ware my glasses, i read 9600 :)

Anyway last note:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7718/kado05bh2.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kado05bh2.jpg)

Just Power DVD7 works, PDVD 8 doesn't work.

[sillKotscha]

a little bug report (build number: 1.1.671.0 - XP-SP3 - latest DX SDK - ATI Radeon 2600 HD with driver version 8.501.1.0) ...

Output option -> EVR Custom Pres. -> VMR9 mixer mode is enabled ... once you enable YUV mixing as well, you can't disable it anymore...

at least for me.

anyone else with the same experience?

thanks fly out to all devs of this great app - keep on with your enthusiasm

if it's really a little nasty bug and and someone is able to reproduce it + able o fix it all I can say is ...

thanks in advance : )

/ sill

my little workaround: enable "store settings to ini file" - open the ini file and change "VMRMixerYUV=1" to "VMRMixerYUV=0" ... YUV mixing isn't enabled anymore but still the whole "VMR9 mixer mode + YUV mixing thingy" is grayed out for any further change...

Edit: forget what I've said ;)

VMR9 mixer mode + enabling / disabling YUV mixing is ofc all about VMR9 renderless and got nothing to do with EVR... stupid me... sorry for thread hijacking.

baiii for now

[ghostonline]

I have a 9800GTX (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/9800gtx_oc.jpg) (G92) that has purevideo2, only G94 GPU (9600GT) and GT200 (GTX280,GTX260) have purevideo3 and proper vc1 support.


no.. neither G94/G92 9600 series nor GT200 gtx280/260 support pv3. they only have pv2.

G98 8400gs (exclude G86 8400gs), G96 9500 series and MCP78 have pv3.

[Aleksoid1978]

yep, I store settings in ini. I use several copies of mpc (homecinema and guliverkli2) and I can not store settings in registry.

Updated:
I change option to store settings to registry but nothing changed. MPC-HC still resets default style after restart. I tried several fonts like verdana or times new roman.

P.S. MPC-HC 1.1.671.0 (x86), XP x64 SP2.

if you from Russia - you can write to PM me on russian.

[CiNcH]

@ Casimir,

do you have information about the BDMV LPCM header fields and structure?

[Scoty]

I have a question. i have change from Nvidia 8800 GTS (G80, can not use DXVA) to ATI 4870. Can the 4870 use DXVA under Vista 64Bit ? Can i use the same Video Codecs from Nvidia for ATI or need other ? I use ffdshow_prebeta5_rev2031_20080702_clsid with MPC-Homecinema.637.

sorry for my bad english.

[cca]

I have a question. i have change from Nvidia 8800 GTS (G80, can not use DXVA) to ATI 4870. Can the 4870 use DXVA under Vista 64Bit ? Can i use the same Video Codecs from Nvidia for ATI or need other ? I use ffdshow_prebeta5_rev2031_20080702_clsid with MPC-Homecinema.637.

sorry for my bad english.

I have an ATi 4850 running on Vista 64bit. It can use DXVA for H264 just fine.

[audyovydeo]

Feature request :
is it possible to add a cmdline switch to run the player with the playlist open ???


thanks
a/v

[Scoty]

is this ok ?

[betaking]

is this ok ?

LOOK PIN INFO!:rolleyes:

[Scoty]

LOOK PIN INFO!:rolleyes:

PIN Info ????

[betaking]

PIN Info ????

Filter : Enhanced Video Renderer - CLSID : {FA10746C-9B63-4B6C-BC49-FC300EA5F256}

- Connected to:

CLSID: {008BAC12-FBAF-497B-9670-BC6F6FBAE2C4}
Filter: MPC Video Decoder
Pin: Output

- Connection media type:

Video: DXVA 1280x528 23.98fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_NV12 {3231564E-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo2 {F72A76A0-EB0A-11D0-ACE4-0000C0CC16BA}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 112

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1280,528)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1280,528)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 417083

VIDEOINFOHEADER2:
dwInterlaceFlags: 0x00000000
dwCopyProtectFlags: 0x00000000
dwPictAspectRatioX: 80
dwPictAspectRatioY: 33
dwControlFlags: 0x00000000
dwReserved2: 0x00000000

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1280
biHeight: 528
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 12
biCompression: dxva
biSizeImage: 1013760
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 00 00 10 02 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 00 00 10 02 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3b 5d 06 00 00 00 00 00 ........;]......
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 50 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 ........P...!...
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28 00 00 00 00 05 00 00 ........(.......
0050: 10 02 00 00 01 00 0c 00 64 78 76 61 00 78 0f 00 ........dxva.x..
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

[Brazil2]

The following videos contain a H264 stream with a 720*576 resolution and a 16:9 aspect ratio:
http://w17.easy-share.com/1700933443.html
http://w17.easy-share.com/1700933579.html

But when using the internal filters of MPC-HC the aspect ratio is not applied.
The videos are playing fine with the correct aspect ratio in other players like VLC and Mplayer though.

[Fragbert]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7675/dxvaerrorsm6.th.png (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxvaerrorsm6.png)

Ever since 630 or so, I have to disable the two DXVA internal filters when I want to view WMVs that are XBOX 360 compatible. Otherwise every 5-10 seconds I get this flash attack of green boogers! Happens with any output that can use DXVA in XP; overlay, vmr7, 9, and renderless.

Radeon 3870 on XP SP3. Any other info I should post?

[jhoff80]

So this might be a stupid question, but I just want to confirm. On another forum, a reviewer posted the results of page 1 of the DXVA checker tool with an Intel integrated chipset as this:

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o418/pocketables/dxva1.jpg

However, when the reviewer tried to play an h.264 video that worked fine with DXVA acceleration in build 671 on my HD3870 using that chipset (with the same build), the video didn't work with any acceleration.

Since I don't have the actual unit in my hands, there's not much testing I can do myself, but the DXVA in MPC should work since DXVA checker shows that it seems to support h.264 decode right? Or does support have to be built into the program for each new chipset? The only other thing that I can think of is maybe for some reason the chipset doesn't support a 1080p video (I thought I read something similar in previews) but DXVA checker specifically lists 1920x1080, so I'm not sure.

[Aleksoid1978]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7675/dxvaerrorsm6.th.png (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxvaerrorsm6.png)

Ever since 630 or so, I have to disable the two DXVA internal filters when I want to view WMVs that are XBOX 360 compatible. Otherwise every 5-10 seconds I get this flash attack of green boogers! Happens with any output that can use DXVA in XP; overlay, vmr7, 9, and renderless.

Radeon 3870 on XP SP3. Any other info I should post?

See in filters what decodеr use for this ???

[Aleksoid1978]

The following videos contain a H264 stream with a 720*576 resolution and a 16:9 aspect ratio:
http://w17.easy-share.com/1700933443.html
http://w17.easy-share.com/1700933579.html

But when using the internal filters of MPC-HC the aspect ratio is not applied.
The videos are playing fine with the correct aspect ratio in other players like VLC and Mplayer though.

This is bug internal MPC-HC decoder, try disable this and use ffdshow

[marc99]

MPC-HC 64bit svn 672 and 671 DXVA doesn't work (stop and black picture), x86 work fine.

[Casimir666]

So this might be a stupid question, but I just want to confirm. On another forum, a reviewer posted the results of page 1 of the DXVA checker tool with an Intel integrated chipset as this:

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o418/pocketables/dxva1.jpg

However, when the reviewer tried to play an h.264 video that worked fine with DXVA acceleration in build 671 on my HD3870 using that chipset (with the same build), the video didn't work with any acceleration.

Since I don't have the actual unit in my hands, there's not much testing I can do myself, but the DXVA in MPC should work since DXVA checker shows that it seems to support h.264 decode right? Or does support have to be built into the program for each new chipset? The only other thing that I can think of is maybe for some reason the chipset doesn't support a 1080p video (I thought I read something similar in previews) but DXVA checker specifically lists 1920x1080, so I'm not sure.

It seems this people have a new Intel G45 chipset, with bitstream acceleration support for VC1, H264 and Mpeg2. Maybe mpc will require some modifications to works with G45, because all graphics cards didn't decode exactly the same way...

[Mercury_22]

It seems this people have a new Intel G45 chipset, with bitstream acceleration support for VC1, H264 and Mpeg2. Maybe mpc will require some modifications to works with G45, because all graphics cards didn't decode exactly the same way...

Some modifications for Intel G35 too maybe (VC1, MPEG2)? :rolleyes:

[adca14]

Could Someone please help me! I have a laptop with a t8300 and a ati mobility radeon hd 2600 w/512mb of memory. I have a collection of 1080p .x264 movies in .mkv containers. I have tried so hard to get hardware acceleration to work, yet everytime i play a film i get 80% CPU Usage, does anyone know how I can get my graphics card to work, i'm really desperate at this point.

[STaRGaZeR]

This is bug internal MPC-HC decoder, try disable this and use ffdshow

1440x1080 H264 stream with 16:9 AR plays fine here with MPC HC's DXVA.

[jhoff80]

It seems this people have a new Intel G45 chipset, with bitstream acceleration support for VC1, H264 and Mpeg2. Maybe mpc will require some modifications to works with G45, because all graphics cards didn't decode exactly the same way...

For the record, its actually the Poulsbo chipset for the new Atom processors that is used in that device. (I don't know what the actual model number will be, just the codename, but I'm pretty sure its different from the G45 since its a special low-power one for portable devices).