Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[GrofLuigi]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 1000 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/638/1/)

Congratulations on the 1k !!!

Or the real anniversary will be svn 1024? :p

GL

[THX-UltraII]

@Beliyaal: I tried your latest version last night and noticed tearing at the top of the video that is playing. The tearing does not go away when picking d3d and/or alternative vsync/lock-back-buffer settings. (tried al sorts of combination on this one). The Casimir official version build (and unofficial snv's) does not have this problem. How can I report something to you that could be causing this so you can look into this?


Beliyaal, any ideas on this?

Maybe it is better to start your own official thread. This way you will have better overview I think. Just a free tip! :D

[Mercury_22]

@beliyaal

Revision 988 causes the standalone MPEG splitter to crash on Vista x64 when playing for example a .vob file.

Please fix asap.

Here is a sample file:
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/MPEG2/TITLE01-ANGLE1.VOB

No crash here using standalone_filters-svn997_x64 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/630/2/)from Alexins and MPC-HC SVN 1000 64-bit also from Alexins :confused:
OR I misunderstood you ?

[daMaster]

I see the memory usage increase every time I open another file, it's consistent.

Everybody should test this use case in DXVA mode with 720p/1080p video. Keep the MPC-HC processing running and don't close it. Open a 1080p H.264/VC1 video, make sure you're in DXVA mode. Now either stop the video or let it keep playing and open another 1080p H.264/VC1 video.

Use Task Manager or ProcessExplorer to monitor the memory usage of the MPC-HC process while doing this and lo and behold, look what happens! Eventually MPC-HC crashes or becomes unusable.

[Egh]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 1000 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/638/1/)



congratulations, 1000 builds is a major milestone :)

MPC-HC -- best video player atm :)

[moviefan]

Probably the DTS 1.5 Mbit bug. Test passing DTS through spdifer:
http://ac3filter.net/projects/spdifer

I tried that without success unfortunately. I installed spdifer, set it as external filter and priority "prefer". There is no audio output at all now (edit: actually, there is only no audio with DTS-HD, normal DTS works, but problems remain), CPU usage around 0-5%, but suddenly it jumps up to over 50%, the picture stutters. Seeking is still impossible and I have updated to revision 1000 by now. What is going on here? This is really annoying - I want to watch my Blu-rays without problems all the time! Any suggestions?

[Mercury_22]

I tried that without success unfortunately. I installed spdifer, set it as external filter and priority "prefer". There is no audio output at all now (edit: actually, there is only no audio with DTS-HD, normal DTS works, but problems remain), CPU usage around 0-5%, but suddenly it jumps up to over 50%, the picture stutters. Seeking is still impossible and I have updated to revision 1000 by now. What is going on here? This is really annoying - I want to watch my Blu-rays without problems all the time! Any suggestions?

Do not use internal DXVA or non DXVA AVC OR VC-1 filters !
Try FFDSHOW !

Everybody should test this use case in DXVA mode with 720p/1080p video. Keep the MPC-HC processing running and don't close it. Open a 1080p H.264/VC1 video, make sure you're in DXVA mode. Now either stop the video or let it keep playing and open another 1080p H.264/VC1 video.

Use Task Manager or ProcessExplorer to monitor the memory usage of the MPC-HC process while doing this and lo and behold, look what happens! Eventually MPC-HC crashes or becomes unusable.

I can confirm your memory bug with internal DXVA AVC !


@ DEVS
Why not replace ffmpeg with ffmpeg-mt code ? it's NOT possible ? :confused: :helpful:
cause internal AVC and VC-1 are almost unusable (non DXVA)

[deets]

hmm any joy getting ITV HD or BBC HD ts files to play using DXVA? i get unwatchable green garbled blocks on ITV :( or glitching on BBC

[moviefan]

Do not use internal DXVA or non DXVA AVC OR VC-1 filters !
Try FFDSHOW !

I can confirm your memory bug with internal DXVA AVC !


I just tried ffdshow and CoreAVC, CPU usage is between 10% and 50%, but then again it jumps up to to 90% or so. I'm getting more and more angry with this ****! I haven't noticed this problem really so much before, but when I look at Blu-rays with only AC3 audio tracks, CPU usage jumps up, too, but somehow it doesn't result in stuttering and sync loss of the receiver. That cannot be normal when I have average usage of 10% with DXVA... What's wrong with this player?

[Mercury_22]

I just tried ffdshow and CoreAVC, CPU usage is between 10% and 50%, but then again it jumps up to to 90% or so. I'm getting more and more angry with this ****! I haven't noticed this problem really so much before, but when I look at Blu-rays with only AC3 audio tracks, CPU usage jumps up, too, but somehow it doesn't result in stuttering and sync loss of the receiver. That cannot be normal when I have average usage of 10% with DXVA... What's wrong with this player?

Did you tryed SVN rev 983 ?
and what filters & settings do you use ?

[moviefan]

I have also tried rev 983 now, as you said, with the same result. All in all I have used the current stable version (rev. 908), 983 and 1000, all show the same problem using the internal decoders with DXVA, using CoreAVC, ffdshow, and for audio I already used the internal decoder, ffdshow, AC3Filter and spdifer all passing the bitstream through to my receiver via HDMI. I just don't get what is happening...

My settings: generally all to "system default", no filters. MPC HC only shows MPC video decoder, DTS decoder, audio switcher, video renderer and ATI HD Audio rear output.

Edit: I have remuxed the video stream without any audio to m2ts and this doesn't cause any problems when playing it with whatever of the above mentioned versions of MPC HC using internal DXVA decoder. Playing the original DTS track itself with MPC HC, this doesn't cause any problems either. So there must be a problem with playing video and audio together. I would conclude there is either a problem with the demuxing of the m2ts container when it is played back or there is an issue with the graphics card streaming audio and video together via HDMI. What is your opinion? (Remember: 1. AC3 is also affected but the CPU load increase is not noticable in terms of playback; 2. all Blu-rays are not seekable when they show the DTS sync and video stuttering problem I have been reporting about in my last posts.)

[Mercury_22]

I have also tried rev 983 now, as you said, with the same result. All in all I have used the current stable version (rev. 908), 983 and 1000, all show the same problem using the internal decoders with DXVA, using CoreAVC, ffdshow, and for audio I already used the internal decoder, ffdshow, AC3Filter and spdifer all passing the bitstream through to my receiver via HDMI. I just don't get what is happening...

My settings: generally all to "system default", no filters. MPC HC only shows MPC video decoder, DTS decoder, audio switcher, video renderer and ATI HD Audio rear output.

Edit: I have remuxed the video stream without any audio to m2ts and this doesn't cause any problems when playing it with whatever of the above mentioned versions of MPC HC using internal DXVA decoder. Playing the original DTS track itself with MPC HC, this doesn't cause any problems either. So there must be a problem with playing video and audio together. I would conclude there is either a problem with the demuxing of the m2ts container when it is played back or there is an issue with the graphics card streaming audio and video together via HDMI. What is your opinion?

What if you use your sound card + speakers NO HDMI ?
And you use internal splitter or haali ?

[clsid]

No crash here using standalone_filters-svn997_x64 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/630/2/)from Alexins and MPC-HC SVN 1000 64-bit also from Alexins :confused:
OR I misunderstood you ?
Alexins build indeed does not crash. Maybe because he is using a different version of the baseclasses or Windows SDK. Still, there must be some kind of bug in revision 988, because when I build 987 it does not crash.

I am going to re-install VS2008 now.

[moviefan]

What if you use your sound card + speakers NO HDMI ?
And you use internal splitter or haali ?

Okay, I'll try that. I cannot easily connect my receiver with the sound card, but that should not matter, should it? As long as I set the audio output to the sound card, even if there is no audible output.

I use the internal splitter, not haali.

I'll report back in a couple of minutes.

[Mercury_22]

Alexins build indeed does not crash. Maybe because he is using a different version of the baseclasses or Windows SDK. Still, there must be some kind of bug in revision 988, because when I build 987 it does not crash.

I am going to re-install VS2008 now.

Maybe this explains those complains about your 64-bit builds of FFDShow I've seen on FFD's thread ?

[Mercury_22]

Okay, I'll try that. I cannot easily connect my receiver with the sound card, but that should not matter, should it? As long as I set the audio output to the sound card, even if there is no audible output.

I use the internal splitter, not haali.

I'll report back in a couple of minutes. Just connect some Headphones to the soundcard instead of speakers

EDIT : DO NOT CONNECT THE RECEIVER ! JUST some Headphones or speakers to the soundcard !
EDIT 2 Also do you have directx_nov2008_redist on your system ?

[moviefan]

It seems even worse, I have almost all the time a CPU usage of above 50% with DXVA. The video stutters all the time, totally unwatchable.

Edit: Weid, now CPU usage is around 10% using the sound card (no HDMI). But then again it goes up to like 60% or so, video stutters. I just installed DirectX9.25.1476 (probably the latest one) as I thought it wouldn't hurt an maybe help, but it doesn't...

Oh, your second edit refers to installing the latest DirectX9, which I just did... ;) Doesn't help.

Edit: It seems to be a problem with all audio streams, not particularly AC3 or at least there is a problem whatever the audio compression is. I also tried to mux the video and audio to mkv and the problem of stuttering video and too high CPU usage considering DXVA is used appears again, even when I use my sound card for sound output, not the graphics card.

[mark0077]

Reporting back on two previous bugs I mentioned. Testing in version 1000 one is fixed, one still remains

BUG: True-HD and vc1 within a .ts file. Listening to the True-HD track leaves the front right channel mute, not sure why. (All channels work using ffdshow true-hd decoder)
FIXED BUG: Switching from True-HD -> Dolby Digital 5.1 makes subtitles enabled (THANKS GUYS)

Could someone take a look at true hd within transport stream (.ts) files?

[Mercury_22]

It seems even worse, I have almost all the time a CPU usage of above 50% with DXVA. The video stutters all the time, totally unwatchable.

Edit: Weid, now CPU usage is around 10% using the sound card (no HDMI). But then again it goes up to like 60% or so, video stutters. I just installed DirectX9.25.1476 (probably the latest one) as I thought it wouldn't hurt an maybe help, but it doesn't...

Oh, your second edit refers to installing the latest DirectX9, which I just did... ;) Doesn't help.

Edit: It seems to be a problem with all audio streams, not particularly AC3 or at least there is a problem whatever the audio compression is. I also tried to mux the video and audio to mkv and the problem of stuttering video and too high CPU usage considering DXVA is used appears again, even when I use my sound card for sound output, not the graphics card.

What OS do you use ? and just one last thing copy the m2ts file from Disc to your HDD and play it from there

[moviefan]

What OS do you use ? and just one last thing copy the m2ts file from Disc to your HDD and play it from there

I use Windows XP Professional SP3. Copying the m2ts to my HDD doesn't change anything, problems remain. Do you have any idea what could be wrong here? Don't you notice similar problems? I see you have a similar hardware configuration, especially looking at the graphics card and the CPU (similar to my E5200 somehow) and 4 GB RAM (I have DDR-800).

[Mercury_22]

I use Windows XP Professional SP3. Copying the m2ts to my HDD doesn't change anything, problems remain. Do you have any idea what could be wrong here? Don't you notice similar problems? I see you have a similar hardware configuration, especially looking at the graphics card and the CPU (similar to my E5200 somehow) and 4 GB RAM (I have DDR-800).

I don't have any problems playing m2ts using MPC-HC SVN 1000 & FFDShow except the DTS & VC-1i bugs So the only remaining things I can think of is that you don't use EVR CUSTOM and .NET 3.5 SP1 (you also need latest vcredist (http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/KB961894/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=2067) 2005)
Do you ?

EDIT: Also reset MPC-HC's settings especially if you used Beliyaal versions too and if all this are not solving your problem update ALL your drivers

[clsid]

Maybe this explains those complains about your 64-bit builds of FFDShow I've seen on FFD's thread ?Which ones? I haven't seen any.

Problem remains after a re-install of VS2008, DirectX SDK August2007, and Windows SDK 6.0.

[Mercury_22]

Which ones? I haven't seen any.

Problem remains after a re-install of VS2008, DirectX SDK August2007, and Windows SDK 6.0.

This here I've been testing the now merged ffmpeg-mt and all I can say is that it works way better than when it was a different branch. No crashes whatsoever. The garbled frames issue when seeking is vastly reduced, I've only found it in some samples. There are no rainbows but instead there is a bit of blockiness and other frames rests:

http://thumbnails7.imagebam.com/2705/11619e27046860.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/11619e27046860)

As you can see the garbage is part of a previous frame. Found this in Blu-ray's with 4 ref frames and with MBAFF streams. Also it seems to be random, I can't reproduce the same blockiness when seeking to a concrete frame twice. Everything else is perfect in ffmpeg-mt as far as I've tested.

On a side note, I've been playing with clsid's and xvidvideo.ru's x64 builds and I found something interesting. With clsid's builds the Resize filter is slow as hell compared to the 32-bit version, while in xvidvideo.ru's builds isn't. In fact it's faster than 32-bit. But in clsid's libavcodec MP3 decoder works and with mp3lib the sound is garbled, in xvidvideo's libav MP3 and mp3lib both don't work.

EDIT : And on a side note is the latest SVN 2699 FFD 64-bit compiling ? cause alexins has compiled just the 32-bit ?

I really don't understand why you all devs from FFD and MPC-hc don't agree / share and POST the exact settings and version and .... you use to compile MPC-HC and FFDSHOW :confused:
Cause I've seen many asking in both threads about details of what to use and how ...

[zn]

RE: GMA X4500 MHD

http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/developing-software-for-visual-computing/topic/60703/page/2/

The GUIDs are already available by a DXVA query. It's more complicated than just that. It's okay, it will all be obvious Real Soon Now.

Hi All.. Yeah, its close. Casimir666 - can you contact me (eric.sardella@intel.com). I need some help getting it to work with MPC. I tried to email you, but got no response. When I get MPC working, then I'll post the whitepaper. I just need to make sure its working first. It shouldnt be very much heavy lifting.

any progress on this?

[clsid]

Those issues have nothing to do with Visual Studio. MinGW64 is used for compiling libavcodec and libmplayer. MinGW64 is still a bit buggy. Different versions give different bugs in ffdshow. I am currently using MinGW64 GCC 4.3.3 build by Komisar.

[Casimir666]

RE: GMA X4500 MHD

http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/developing-software-for-visual-computing/topic/60703/page/2/


any progress on this?

Working on it with Eric.

[her34]

"open dvd" bug

if the computer has 2 dvd drives and only the second drive has a dvd in it, then the "open dvd" command won't find it. in previous versions the dvd would open. can this be fixed?

[THX-UltraII]

Strugling with lipsync problems for months now. Yesterday was a breakthrough! I finally found out something which you guys maybe can help with:

When I disable the d3d (remove tearing) option I get NO LIPSYNC problems. When I enable it I get lipsync troubles from the very beginning of a movie. Lock-back-buffer doesn t help.

So, probably you think: Why not keep d3d disabled? Because I can t. I HAVE to use this feature in to get 100% tearing-free playback. Haali is also no option: in Haali the tearing is less than with VMR9 but still present.

So the conclusion is that with VMR9 renderless d3d something goes wrong.

[Mercury_22]

Strugling with lipsync problems for months now. Yesterday was a breakthrough! I finally found out something which you guys maybe can help with:

When I disable the d3d (remove tearing) option I get NO LIPSYNC problems. When I enable it I get lipsync troubles from the very beginning of a movie. Lock-back-buffer doesn t help.

So, probably you think: Why not keep d3d disabled? Because I can t. I HAVE to use this feature in to get 100% tearing-free playback. Haali is also no option: in Haali the tearing is less than with VMR9 but still present.

So the conclusion is that with VMR9 renderless d3d something goes wrong.

Why don't use EVR custom ?

@XXL Please post requirements like "Attention! To work correctly, the program needed to install DIRECTX End-User Runtime version 9.25.1476 (05.11.2008) . " in the first post

[tetsuo55]

I decided against splitting the thread. The subject is too entangled.

I made a new thread for Beliyaal's build

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1252376#post1252376

Please move all discussion there until the changes are commited to the trunk

[JohnLai]

Maybe offtopic a bit. Based on the info on the internet and this forum, I get confused on the resizer. Which setting provided the sharpest image quaility at their respective renderer? Correct me if the information that I intrepreted is wrong......

VMR9
Bicubic A=-1.00 is the sharpest
Bicubic A=-0.60 is the less sharp
All of VMR9 resizing is using Single pass.

Haali Renderer
I do know that Haali is using Double pass for bicubic resize.
Sharpness = -0.00 Oversharpen
Sharpness = -0.60 Perfect Bicubic resizing and sharpening
Sharpness = -0.61 (default value, anyone know why the default is -0.61?)
Sharpness = -1.00 overblurring

[THX-UltraII]

Why don't use EVR custom ?

I did read somewhere that this is possible with XP SP3 right? You know how to?

[Mangix]

Maybe offtopic a bit. Based on the info on the internet and this forum, I get confused on the resizer. Which setting provided the sharpest image quaility at their respective renderer? Correct me if the information that I intrepreted is wrong......

VMR9
Bicubic A=-1.00 is the sharpest
Bicubic A=-0.60 is the less sharp
All of VMR9 resizing is using Single pass.

Haali Renderer
I do know that Haali is using Double pass for bicubic resize.
Sharpness = -0.00 Oversharpen
Sharpness = -0.60 Perfect Bicubic resizing and sharpening
Sharpness = -0.61 (default value, anyone know why the default is -0.61?)
Sharpness = -1.00 overblurring

Bicubic A is the same thing as the sharpness slider in Haali. -0.00 = weak or no sharpening and -1 = the most sharp. But using Haali, you actually have an adjustable slider.

[daMaster]

I can confirm your memory bug with internal DXVA AVC !

Yes the memory leak happens with internal DXVA AVC/VC-1 and with the MPC Video Decoder stand-alone filter. And I tested all publicly released versions back to v1.1.0.0 and even SVN 997. The memory leak is in all of those releases :(

I think more people need to test this use case please:
1. Keep the MPC-HC processing running and don't close it.
2. Open a 1080p H.264/VC1 video, make sure you're in DXVA mode. Let the video play for a second or two.
3. Now either stop the video or let it keep playing and open another 1080p H.264/VC1 video.
4. Use Task Manager or ProcessExplorer to monitor the memory usage of the MPC-HC process while doing this and lo and behold, look what happens! Eventually MPC-HC crashes or becomes unusable.
5. Repeat steps 2 and 3 over and over (about 16-20 1080p videos does the trick).

[Mercury_22]

I did read somewhere that this is possible with XP SP3 right? You know how to?
A.F.I.K. for Xp you need Microsoft .NET Framework 2 or better 3.5 SP1 for EVR and

update for the .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959209)

[THX-UltraII]

A.F.I.K. for Xp you need Microsoft .NET Framework 2 or better 3.5 SP1 for EVR and

update for the .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959209)

thxz, I ll give it a shot tonight. Just install these and after this I am able to select EVR?

[THX-UltraII]

btw, catalyst 9.2 is coming out today guys. Good news I say!

[Mercury_22]

thxz, I ll give it a shot tonight. Just install these and after this I am able to select EVR?
If my memory still serves me well YES :)

[73ChargerFan]

DXVA won't work with EVR on XP.

[clsid]

Good news. I solved my build problem with the MPEG splitter. I think the cause was an outdated build of the dsutil lib.

To avoid such accidental issues in the future, I think that the dsutil (and baseclasses) project should be added to the Filters solution file. They are currently the only prerequisites that are missing from the solution. That way always up-to-date library builds will be used.

[Brazil2]

thxz, I ll give it a shot tonight. Just install these and after this I am able to select EVR?
You don't even need to install all of this crap, in fact all you need is this:
http://www.badongo.com/file/13209861

[mikegun]

DXVA won't work with EVR on XP.

unless you have an ati 2600 pro agp card !
no subtitles working though

[pdanpdan]

unless you have an ati 2600 pro agp card !
no subtitles working though

Can you please post a screenshot from DXVAChecker?

[mikegun]

Can you please post a screenshot from DXVAChecker?

no I can't. setting the output to evr custom the decoder shows that dxva is used. maybe evr sustom is not used ?

[clsid]

MPC only uses libpng for exporting screenshots and for displaying its own logo. It does not use it to read user-made png files. Nevertheless, it shall be updated asap.

[cca]

Anyone tried ATI Catalyst 9.2 yet? At least the version for Vista 64 seems to output everything (yes even HD!) at TV levels when used with EVR Custom presenter. The strange thing is that it works fine with normal EVR, or ever VMR9 Renderless.

[Mercury_22]

Anyone tried ATI Catalyst 9.2 yet? At least the version for Vista 64 seems to output everything (yes even HD!) at TV levels when used with EVR Custom presenter. The strange thing is that it works fine with normal EVR, or ever VMR9 Renderless.

Yes I can confirm that :confused: :helpful: Can someone take a look to be sure it's the drivers and not something with the EVR custom ?

[CiTay]

Another confirmation, Catalyst 9.2 with EVR custom. "UseBT601CSC" doesn't work anymore.

[Kado]

@daMaster
The leak happens just by using mpc hc h.264 dxva, there's no need to be full hd videos.

@clsid
I use a custom logo (http://pwp.netcabo.pt/kado/mpc-hc.png) encoded to png. Also if you open a png with mpc libpng is not used?

[cca]

Regarding the ATI Catalyst 9.2 issue, I guess it's time activate the 16-235 -> 0-255 [SD][HD] shader, it's the easier workaround I guess.