Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[alexins]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 1127 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/766/1/)

Supported languages: BY, CN, CZ, DE, EN, ES, FR, HU, IT, KR, PL, RU, SK, TR, UA

Changes log (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/7/17/)

FIX : prevent monitor sleep/turn off after playback/pause; compile error in BaseClasses.

[Mixer73]

Watch out, folks. We have a real life Sherlock Holmes. It's almost as if he made a total guess, thought he was right, and then patted himself on the back. I mean it's not like people have said "...since the merge, [insert problem]" or its equivalent many times in this thread or anything. I'm totally gonna change my username to ADudeJr to make it more obvious I'm the same person.

I made no such statement; I merely stated that "go fork yourself" is a good response to such a comment.

However, you sir, doth protest too much. I think your statements, variously posted, say more than I ever could.

[Adub]

Hi, I am running the latest MPC HC 1127, and I am having trouble playing subtitles from a Bluray .m2ts file. I have tried it with both VMR 9 Renderless and Haali's renderer to no avail. I am on windows XP SP3. The movie is "The Air I Breathe" for reference.

When I bring up the properties of the file being played, next to subtitle it just says [SUBTITLE], with no further information given.

[tetsuo55]

Hi, I am running the latest MPC HC 1127, and I am having trouble playing subtitles from a Bluray .m2ts file. I have tried it with both VMR 9 Renderless and Haali's renderer to no avail. I am on windows XP SP3. The movie is "The Air I Breathe" for reference.

When I bring up the properties of the file being played, next to subtitle it just says [SUBTITLE], with no further information given.

You need to enable the built in splitter for m2ts files

[Adub]

Really? I'm at work, so I will test in a few hours, but thanks for responding.

Is this due to the fact that Haali's doesn't support PGS subtitles yet?

[tetsuo55]

He does support it but there must be some kind of bug or something.

I know casimir did a lot of m2ts work in the internal splitter to get DXVA, subtitles and audio/video/subtitle stream selection working. And that all happened after haali disappeard
I believe haali is aware of the problem though

[giom]

I've done further testing with A2R10G10B10 in RGB32.

Fullscreen 10 bit RGB removes banding (a bit).

I've created a test file "BAR_1024x576_10-Bits.avi".

It's a A2R10G10B10/RGB32 AVI with 4 horizontal bars (gray, red, green, blue), 15fps, 1sec.

Each bar is composed of 2 parts :

upper half 256 levels (0,0,0,0,4,4,4,4,...,1022,1022,1022,1022,1023,1023,1023,1023) to simulate an 8-bits shade.
lower half 1024 levels (0,1,2,3,...,1020,1021,1022,1023).


When played in 10bit RGB fullscreen, you can see the difference between the pseudo 8-bits upper part and the 10-bits lower part.

You can set resizer to "nearest neighboor" to see it much more.

I've also added "BAR_1024x576_8-Bits.avi" for reference. It's a 8-bits RGB32 AVI with 4 horizontal bars (gray, red, green, blue), 15fps, 1sec.

Files attached.

[Steveo08]

I've done further testing with A2R10G10B10 in RGB32.

Fullscreen 10 bit RGB removes banding (a bit).

I've created a test file "BAR_1024x576_10-Bits.avi".

It's a A2R10G10B10/RGB32 AVI with 4 horizontal bars (gray, red, green, blue), 15fps, 1sec.

Each bar is composed of 2 parts :

upper half 256 levels (0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,...,254,254,25,254,255,255,255,255) to simulate an 8-bits shade.
lower half 1024 levels (0,1,2,3,...,1020,1021,1022,1023).


When played in 10bit RGB fullscreen, you can see the difference between the pseudo 8-bits upper part and the 10-bits lower part.

You can set resizer to "nearest neighboor" to see it much more.

I've also added "BAR_1024x576_8-Bits.avi" for reference. It's a 8-bits RGB32 AVI with 4 horizontal bars (gray, red, green, blue), 15fps, 1sec.

Files attached.



did 10 bit rgb work for you with direct 3d fullscreen?

because for me it isen't working, just without direct 3d fullscreen.

[giom]

did 10 bit rgb work for you with direct 3d fullscreen?

because for me it isen't working, just without direct 3d fullscreen.

Yes, see my post. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1289976#post1289976

But only with my ATI 1650 XT, it doesn't work with my nVidia 9500 GT.

You can use the utility at http://www.kludx.com/kludx.php to know if your card supports A2R10G10B10 (click on "Resolutions" tab).

[blarg]

I made no such statement; I merely stated that "go fork yourself" is a good response to such a comment.

However, you sir, doth protest too much. I think your statements, variously posted, say more than I ever could.

Indeed. I liked the part where you said I knew what evil lurks in the heart of men and I replied with, "Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis". So much protesting. You won this one, dude. Well, off to find Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. :devil:

[Steveo08]

Yes, see my post. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1289976#post1289976

But only with my ATI 1650 XT, it doesn't work with my nVidia 9500 GT.

You can use the utility at http://www.kludx.com/kludx.php to know if your card supports A2R10G10B10 (click on "Resolutions" tab).



ok, so that will be the same problem for me, because i have a nvidia 8600 gt.

[giom]

ok, so that will be the same problem for me, because i have a nvidia 8600 gt.

nVidia supports R10G10B10A2_UNORM but AFAIK it is a DX10 only format and EVR seems to be stuck to DX9. Sharing textures between DX9 and DX10 is possible on the paper but I've seen many report it doesn't work ...

DX10 support in EVR would be great because it'd allow 10 bit RGB for many more cards and even allow R16G16B16A16_FLOAT to the screen (at least to the last stage of the video card) !

[Adub]

He does support it but there must be some kind of bug or something.

I know casimir did a lot of m2ts work in the internal splitter to get DXVA, subtitles and audio/video/subtitle stream selection working. And that all happened after haali disappeard
I believe haali is aware of the problem though

Okay, so your suggestion worked. I can view subtitles using the internal splitter.

It's a shame that Haali is MIA, as we could use him to fix a few things here and there.

Thanks for the help.

[Xorp]

The last serious BD audio bug is that the mono lpcm tracks are note decoded properly - see almost all criterion releases (e.g. wages of fear, 400 blows etc.) yes it would be nice if that was fixed

[tetsuo55]

Okay, so your suggestion worked. I can view subtitles using the internal splitter.

It's a shame that Haali is MIA, as we could use him to fix a few things here and there.

Thanks for the help.

Betaboy said he will open a haali splitter bug tracker after CoreAVC 2.0 is released

[tetsuo55]

There have been a lot of requests on how to compile MPC-HC, and also some offers to help out with coding.

Would any of the compile able people be willing to write a wiki page on compiling MPC-HC?
:thanks:

[baadnewz]

I have a small issue. When i use mpc-hc (no matter what build) on extended display after a while (sometimes after 5 min sometimes after 20) starts dropping frames (the audio is not desync). This happens only when i use EVR Custom (no matter the resizer) and no matter the decoder(mpc internal coreavc cyberlink etc.) DXVA or software.

My config is e8400 8 gig ram, ati 4670 with latest catalyst (9.5). os Win 7 x64 #7127 (i did have the problem on previous builds of win7 / video driver).. still i dont remember having the problem on vista

P.S. I tried to use 20 evr buffers the problem hapens more often, and on 4 still occurs

P.S.2. to get " normal " i have to get mpc-hc out of full screen drag the windows a lil' on the display and problem fixed.. for another 10 mins

P.S.3. the dropping thing happens only on extended display

Thx, sorry for typos

[grumbl]

When I'm trying to use ffdshow with RGB32 output and EVR CP with D3D Fullscreen enabled the file begins to play, sound plays, but the screen stays black.
When I set ffdshow to YV12 output playback works, but well, I'd like to have ffdshow do the conversion to rgb.

Is D3D Fullscreen supposed to work with RGB32 input? I googled around lots but i'm still not sure :). (10 Bit is disabled, I've read above that this wouldn't work with NVidia anyway).

I'm on Vista 64, GPU is a GTX 260, 185.85 drivers, latest ffdshow and mpc-hc.

I'd be happy if anyone could clear this up for me, thanks in advance :).

[mark0077]

When I'm trying to use ffdshow with RGB32 output and EVR CP with D3D Fullscreen enabled the file begins to play, sound plays, but the screen stays black.
When I set ffdshow to YV12 output playback works, but well, I'd like to have ffdshow do the conversion to rgb.

Is D3D Fullscreen supposed to work with RGB32 input? I googled around lots but i'm still not sure :). (10 Bit is disabled, I've read above that this wouldn't work with NVidia anyway).

I'm on Vista 64, GPU is a GTX 260, 185.85 drivers, latest ffdshow and mpc-hc.

I'd be happy if anyone could clear this up for me, thanks in advance :).

Im in the exact same situation as you, outputting RGB32 from ffdshow and get black screen when using D3D fullscreen.

[tetsuo55]

You guys seem to have the same videocard, or at least the same chipset.

Might be a bug in that chipset?

[mark0077]

You guys seem to have the same videocard, or at least the same chipset.

Might be a bug in that chipset?

Sorry, I am using a GTX 295 (which is actually two GTX 260's .. ish) on one card so maybe your right. Any owners of something like GTX 285 that can test?

[tetsuo55]

But it's still a 200 series.

We need to find a 200 series user who has a working RGB32.

For now a good start would be to report a bug to Nvidia and your videocard manufacturer

[grumbl]

Oh at least I now know that it is supposed to work :).

I was wondering if it could have anything to do with my 10 bit capable monitor, mark077, do you happen to have something like that as well?

Oh and while I'm at it, is it possible to output 10 bit? I've read ati cards support 10 bit over dvi and hdmi 1.3 and stuff.

Or is the 10 bit of my Dell 2709w only for monitor-intern image changes and calibration issues and you can only feed 8 bit color depth?

So many questions... sorry :).

[bur]

I recently updated to build 1120 from an olde build, maybe around 1000 or earlier and since then mpc hc just shows an empty window after restarting from Hibernation. If I press the shortcut for play or click within the window, the audio can be heard, but no picture.

The same thing happens when I played a full screen game.

Software:
MPC HC build 1127
ffdshow 2968
XP sp3 (german)

Hardware:
nForce 430
8800 GT

[tetsuo55]

I recently updated to build 1120 from an olde build, maybe around 1000 or earlier and since then mpc hc just shows an empty window after restarting from Hibernation. If I press the shortcut for play or click within the window, the audio can be heard, but no picture.

The same thing happens when I played a full screen game.

Software:
MPC HC build 1127
ffdshow 2968
XP sp3 (german)

Hardware:
nForce 430
8800 GT

Can you find the exact regression point?

[Bluestraw]

Please can someone help educate a relative newbie? I have a couple of questions...

1. I previously used MadFLAC but 'forgot' to install it on my new OS setup and found FLAC playback working using the internal decoder. Is this 'bit-perfect', i.e. identical to madshi's great filter?

2. Is there any advantage in using the 64-bit version of MPC? For example, madFLAC doesn't work in 64-bit, but what would I lose in MPC by using the 32-bit one instead?

Thank you in advance for any help!

[Mercury_22]

Please can someone help educate a relative newbie? I have a couple of questions...

1. I previously used MadFLAC but 'forgot' to install it on my new OS setup and found FLAC playback working using the internal decoder. Is this 'bit-perfect', i.e. identical to madshi's great filter?

2. Is there any advantage in using the 64-bit version of MPC? For example, madFLAC doesn't work in 64-bit, but what would I lose in MPC by using the 32-bit one instead?

Thank you in advance for any help!

I don't know about 'bit-perfect' but 64-bit version CAN'T play FLAC in FLAC container (or Native FLAC) see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2797333&group_id=170561&atid=854651 :mad:

The 32-bit version it's playing FLAC in FLAC container (or Native FLAC) OK

Also both have no problems playing FLAC in other containers AFAIK :rolleyes:

[Bluestraw]

I don't know about 'bit-perfect' but 64-bit version CAN'T play FLAC in FLAC container (or Native FLAC) see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2797333&group_id=170561&atid=854651 :mad:

The 32-bit version it's playing FLAC in FLAC container (or Native FLAC) OK

Also both have no problems playing FLAC in other containers AFAIK :rolleyes:Thanks for that - that explains another problem I was having! I guess that's the only reason why madFLAC is still a necessary option? Then again, if simply using the 32-bit MPC is a good workaround, is there a reason not to just do that?

[giom]

Is D3D Fullscreen supposed to work with RGB32 input? I googled around lots but i'm still not sure :). (10 Bit is disabled, I've read above that this wouldn't work with NVidia anyway).


From EVR doc :

The graphics driver determines which video formats are supported, but typically they are limited to the following:

Reference stream: Progressive or interlaced YUV with no per-pixel alpha (such as NV12 or YUY2); or progressive RGB.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms694916.aspx


And from Direct X SDK (9) :

These formats are the only valid formats for a back buffer or a display.

Format Back buffer Display
A2R10G10B10 x x (full-screen mode only)
A8R8G8B8 x
X8R8G8B8 x x
A1R5G5B5 x
X1R5G5B5 x x
R5G6B5 x x

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb153349(VS.85).aspx

So RGB32 is X8R8G8B8 and is widely supported.

For 10 bit RGB it seems nVidia cards driver support only DX10 output formats ( R10G10B10A2_UNORN for instance ) but EVR seems to be DX9 only ...

DX10 HW Display output formats :

R16G16B16A16_FLOAT
R10G10B10A2_UNORM
R8G8B8A8_UNORM
R8G8B8A8_UNORM_SRGB

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc627090(VS.85).aspx (Display Scan-Out = col 22)

[Snowknight26]

Why is it that when playing a .mov file, MPC-HC x64 gives me a warning about some Apple library not being implemented in the x64 version yet continues to successfully play the file?

Oh and:
http://i42.tinypic.com/dgqbky.png
I dont think that ASCII character is supposed to be there.

[nitec]

Hi,

I don't know is that only happens to me but when V-sync enabled VFR videos (WMV/ASF) almost unwatcheble. At the FPS changes MPC stalls 1-2 seconds and it makes video unwatcheble at all. When V-sync disabled it plays normally. Is it just me or anybody have same same problem?

My config is :
Windows 7 x64 Beta
E8400
Radeon 4850 / ATI Catalyst 9.4
MPC-HC using EVR Custom

[alexins]

Media Player Classic HomeCinema (x86/x64), svn 1128 (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/772/1/)

Supported languages: BY, CN, CZ, DE, EN, ES, FR, HU, IT, KR, PL, RU, SK, TR, UA

Changes log (http://www.xvidvideo.ru/content/view/7/17/)

Fixed : Pointer truncation in 64 bit builds (Bug #2797740).

[73ChargerFan]

Thanks for that - that explains another problem I was having! I guess that's the only reason why madFLAC is still a necessary option? Then again, if simply using the 32-bit MPC is a good workaround, is there a reason not to just do that?
madFLAC will output 24bit flac soundtracks. ffdshow accept 24bit but only output 16bit, and IIRC the mpc decoder has the same limitation. I might be wrong though ...

[Mercury_22]

Why is it that when playing a .mov file, MPC-HC x64 gives me a warning about some Apple library not being implemented in the x64 version yet continues to successfully play the file?

Oh and:
http://i42.tinypic.com/dgqbky.png
I dont think that ASCII character is supposed to be there.

Cause there's NO 64-bit Quicktime filters !:)
I recommend you to use DirectShow for Quicktime file in both 32-bit and 64-bit MPC-HC :cool:

[Leak]

madFLAC will output 24bit flac soundtracks. ffdshow accept 24bit but only output 16bit, and IIRC the mpc decoder has the same limitation. I might be wrong though ...
ffdshow accepts 24bit input resolution and can be set to output either 16, 24 or 32 bit integer or 32 bit float.

Check the "Output" page of ffdshow's audio decoder configuration.

[Mercury_22]

ffdshow accepts 24bit input resolution and can be set to output either 16, 24 or 32 bit integer or 32 bit float.

Check the "Output" page of ffdshow's audio decoder configuration.

Is this available for MPC's FLAC cause in Audio settings I can see options only for AC3 DTS and AAC ? Or the "Output sample format" goes beyond these three ? :confused:

Any chance for 64-bit FLAC bug to be an easy one to fix?

[tetsuo55]

After a lot of testing, and encoutering a mountain of unfixable issues i decided to remux all my media to MKV.

Since i did that i have had 0 problems.

Judging from the bug tracker and the experiences of other users i want to start telling people to convert to MKV(as a rule of the thumb and as a specific solution for unfixable problems).

The current version of the MKVmerge and the internal MKV splitter support all popular audio/video/subtitle formats.

Can anyone tell me of any showstopping issues and/or important audio/video/subtitle formats that are not supported?

[Mercury_22]

After a lot of testing, and encoutering a mountain of unfixable issues i decided to remux all my media to MKV.

Since i did that i have had 0 problems.

Judging from the bug tracker and the experiences of other users i want to start telling people to convert to MKV(as a rule of the thumb and as a specific solution for unfixable problems).

The current version of the MKVmerge and the internal MKV splitter support all popular audio/video/subtitle formats.

Can anyone tell me of any showstopping issues and/or important audio/video/subtitle formats that are not supported?

YES! :) The old bug with internal mkv splitter : When you have an mkv file with 2 or multiple audio streams MPC's internal mkv splitter it's playing both streams simultaneous ! :mad: (try changing the stream)

Sample: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZUICM7XI

P.S. mp4 splitter has also problems with 2 or multiple audio streams !

If someone can fix this bug it will be SUPERB cause I (we) will be able to get rid of Haali's splitter once and for all

[mark0077]

tetsuo, I have converted all of my DVD's to mkv and none play with the internal splitter, they all cause mpc-hc to crash. All open fine with haalis splitter.

[Kurtnoise]

YES! :) The old bug with internal mkv splitter : When you have an mkv file with 2 or multiple audio streams MPC's internal mkv splitter it's playing both streams simultaneous ! :mad: (try changing the stream)

Sample: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZUICM7XI

P.S. mp4 splitter has also problems with 2 or multiple audio streams !

If someone can fix this bug it will be SUPERB cause I (we) will be able to get rid of Haali's splitter once and for all
works fine for me...:rolleyes:

[Mercury_22]

works fine for me...:rolleyes:

With my sample you don't have 2 ac3 filters present when you look in the filter section while playing and also after changing the audio stream you don't hear BOTH audio streams ??!! (using internal splitter)

[clsid]

YES! :) The old bug with internal mkv splitter : When you have an mkv file with 2 or multiple audio streams MPC's internal mkv splitter it's playing both streams simultaneous ! :mad: (try changing the stream)

Sample: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZUICM7XI

P.S. mp4 splitter has also problems with 2 or multiple audio streams !

If someone can fix this bug it will be SUPERB cause I (we) will be able to get rid of Haali's splitter once and for all
This has been mentioned before several times. So I'll put it in caps. THIS IS NOT A BUG! This is by design. The filters don't have their own private stream switcher like Haali has. MPC has a separate built-in audio switcher.

[Mercury_22]

This has been mentioned before several times. So I'll put it in caps. THIS IS NOT A BUG! This is by design. The filters don't have their own private stream switcher like Haali has. MPC has a separate built-in audio switcher.

OK but I'm supposed to hear both streams simultaneous (after changing streams) ?:confused:

[clsid]

No. If the audio switcher is enabled, you should only hear the selected audio stream.

Seeing multiple instances of the audio decoder is normal. But only one of them should be active. The other ones are paused.

Edit: your sample file plays fine here.

[Mercury_22]

No. If the audio switcher is enabled, you should only hear the selected audio stream.

Seeing multiple instances of the audio decoder is normal. But only one of them should be active. The other ones are paused.

Edit: your sample file plays fine here.

OK then why both FFDshow indicate playing the sound simultaneous (just in case I'm not hearing right) ?
(After changing from one stream to the other)

Edit: after one change you have to go back to initial stream to see these

[clsid]

It works fine here no matter how many times I switch between the two streams.

[ADude]

Is Beliyaal on vacation ?

I was hoping for an answer to my question:

" Very technically speaking, what exactly is the difference between Renderer Setting Vsync ON and OFF ? ( This should include some explanation of why the graph changes when you make changes to the other Renderer Settings while Vsync is set to off. ) "

[tetsuo55]

YES! :) The old bug with internal mkv splitter : When you have an mkv file with 2 or multiple audio streams MPC's internal mkv splitter it's playing both streams simultaneous ! :mad: (try changing the stream)

Sample: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZUICM7XI

P.S. mp4 splitter has also problems with 2 or multiple audio streams !

If someone can fix this bug it will be SUPERB cause I (we) will be able to get rid of Haali's splitter once and for allAs CLSID said, you have to enable the built in audio switcher for that to work, you'll only hear 1 stream and you can switch all you want.(i have 100's of dual'/triple/quadrupal audiostream mkv's)

tetsuo, I have converted all of my DVD's to mkv and none play with the internal splitter, they all cause mpc-hc to crash. All open fine with haalis splitter.I have been using haali's, there might be a bug in the makemkv muxer causing the crash, should be easy to find with a minidumpIs Beliyaal on vacation ?

I was hoping for an answer to my question:

" Very technically speaking, what exactly is the difference between Renderer Setting Vsync ON and OFF ? ( This should include some explanation of why the graph changes when you make changes to the other Renderer Settings while Vsync is set to off. ) "Beliyaal only has time for MPC-HC in the weekends.

[tetsuo55]

tetsuo, I have converted all of my DVD's to mkv and none play with the internal splitter, they all cause mpc-hc to crash. All open fine with haalis splitter.I confirm the crashes, i cannot get a minidump(file is 0kb)

Here is the info from a sample:

General
Complete name : E:\test.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 2.51 GiB
Duration : 43mn 27s
Overall bit rate : 8 256 Kbps
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.4.2 beta win(x86-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.4.2 beta (0.7.7/0.8.0) win(x86-release)

Video
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Codec ID : V_MPEG2
Codec ID/Info : MPEG 1 or 2 Video
Duration : 43mn 25s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 7 899 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 8 850 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.763
Stream size : 2.40 GiB (96%)

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 43mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 59.7 MiB (2%)
Title : 2/0

Text
ID : 3
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs

Menu
00:00:00.000 : Chapter 01
00:00:02.569 : Chapter 02
00:17:18.904 : Chapter 03
00:27:58.510 : Chapter 04
00:34:35.073 : Chapter 05

[Mercury_22]

As CLSID said, you have to enable the built in splitter for that to work, you'll only hear 1 stream and you can switch all you want.(i have 100's of dual'/triple/quadrupal audiostream mkv's)

I have been using haali's, there might be a bug in the makemkv muxer causing the crash, should be easy to find with a minidumpBeliyaal only has time for MPC-HC in the weekends.

I'm using MPC-HC's default settings (see my signature) including internal splitter and built-in audio switcher (which is what CLSID was refering not the splitter:))

Since it seems it's only me ...:mad: let's forget about it