Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[VipZ]

Since the ffmpeg update it seems VC1 DXVA is broken, last BE mod played this fine. Sample here http://www.mediafire.com/file/pwb6cb01dk41661/PEVOB_1.EVO

[Aleksoid1978]

Since the ffmpeg update it seems VC1 DXVA is broken, last BE mod played this fine. Sample here http://www.mediafire.com/file/pwb6cb01dk41661/PEVOB_1.EVO

Yes - with VC1 DXVA crash MPC-HC.

[oddball]

I cannot get auto switch to work anymore. I am using build 3757 from xvideo.ru which has changed the auto switch layout. It appears to be broken. I've rolled back to 3656 for now which does work.

[davidsama]

oddball why do you not try build 3792 and see if that fixes anything.

[oddball]

oddball why do you not try build 3792 and see if that fixes anything.

Link to compiled installer?

[the_weirdo]

Link to compiled installer?

Here's the link for you:
http://xhmikosr.1f0.de/index.php?folder=bXBjLWhj

[ADude]

The thing is, we'll use 2 pages to persuade you, and in some weeks/pages, another casual user will be like you, asking for proofs.

If you want proofs, you can read code source of Open Source projects for example.

If you don't have the skills, then you can do test yourself. And if you still don't want to spend time, then read a lot of pages on this forum.

That's the way it is, and forum will not change because you did a break in reading this forum. :-)

I never asked to be persuaded, nor for proof - just for something more than "it's really great".

In other words, just for specifics about what you find to be better than previous software.

The reason ? That not everyone needs the same things.

For example, due to the cheap price these days of HD TVs, I now have two in two different rooms, and one has an earlier HT PC that I built and one has a more recent one. The earlier HT PC (described in sig) has a GPU that does not do DXVA while the CPU manages to play most everything using software decoding (CoreAVC). So for that PC, madVR's advantages are not relevant because it requires more GPU resources than are available. For the newer PC, I can use madVR.

So, for each new piece of software, it is helpful to know what exactly is better.

[oddball]

Here's the link for you:
http://xhmikosr.1f0.de/index.php?folder=bXBjLWhj

Nope. Same. Rolled back again until it's fixed.

[ikarad]

I find a bug with subtitle renderer (between 1hour17 and 1hour 18 with sub file subs are displayed not correctly)
file: http://www.zshare.net/info.html?95171226-cba83d2230ae9f09ae5be28229de3580

Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.00,1:17:41.09,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\fs80\pos(322.666667,276.666667)\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\fnTempus Sans ITC}My body...
Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.00,1:17:41.09,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(339.333333,276.666667,613.333333,276.666667,28,445)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.34,1:17:41.09,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs80\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(322.666667,526.666667)}is made of swords.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.34,1:17:41.09,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(327.333333,519.333333,796.666667,519.333333,23,732)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.13,1:17:46.59,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs80\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(408,278.666667)}Iron is my blood
Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.13,1:17:46.59,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(416.666667,270,844.666667,270,29,696)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:44.59,1:17:46.59,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs80\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(451.333333,536.666667)}and glass is my heart.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:44.59,1:17:46.59,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(459.333333,533.333333,1000,533.333333,0,1029)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(252,216.666667)\fnTempus Sans ITC\fs56.666667\b1}I have overcome countless battlefields undefeated.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(258.666667,208.666667,1170,208.666667,24,1609)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:51.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs56.666667\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(252,390)}Not once have I retreated,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:51.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(258.666667,384.666667,734.666667,384.666667,27,1612)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:54.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs56.666667\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(252,563.333333)}nor once have I been understood.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:54.89,1:17:57.61,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(274.666667,560,871.333333,560,30,1615)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:17:59.90,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs56.666667\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(369.333333,220)}Always alone
Dialogue: 0,1:17:59.90,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(378,210,620.666667,210,25,651)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:18:01.94,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs56.666667\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(369.333333,395.333333)}on the hill of swords...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:01.94,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(416.666667,388.666667,778.666667,388.666667,29,571)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:18:03.44,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs56.666667\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(369.333333,579.333333)}intoxicated with victory...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:03.44,1:18:05.49,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(371.333333,578.666667,840.666667,578.666667,30,698)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:18:08.58,1:18:13.62,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs83.333333\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(207.333333,293.333333)}Thus, this life has no meaning.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:08.58,1:18:13.62,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(230.666667,284.666667,1026.666667,284.666667,21,1105)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:18:11.79,1:18:13.62,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs83.333333\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(207.333333,526.666667)}This body... was definitely...
Dialogue: 0,1:18:11.79,1:18:13.62,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\an7\bord0\shad0\p1\c&H000000&\move(226.666667,523.333333,928.666667,523.333333,22,1148)}m 0 0 l 933 0 933 100 0 100{\p0}
Dialogue: 0,1:18:14.29,1:18:17.00,Signs,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fnTempus Sans ITC\an7\fs120\bord3.333333\blur10\b1\3c&H1331E8&\c&HCCD0F5&\pos(242,426.666667)}made out of blades.

bug tracker here
https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/1817

[rica]

Hi guys,

some of you may be interested in this funny stuff?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1534135#post1534135


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[nevcairiel]

Hi guys,

some of you may be interested in this funny stuff?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1534135#post1534135


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It probably just didnt show "bit exact" because you had the volume not at 100%.

[pirlouy]

Hi guys,

some of you may be interested in this funny stuff?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1534135#post1534135
Are you sure you needed useless big images + 1MB ?

If you have respect for readers, replace images by links...
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useless...

Yes I know, I'm evil; you're right; I'm wrong...

[rica]

It probably just didnt show "bit exact" because you had the volume not at 100%.

Yes, i gave it a go a second time; i reloaded 1.5.3.3757 svn build. When i slide the volume button down, PCM bitsteaming disappeared.
Thanks.

(even i was almost sure i tried before.)

[rica]

Are you sure you needed useless big images + 1MB ?

If you have respect for readers, replace images by links...

useless...

Yes I know, I'm evil; you're right; I'm wrong...

I'm not an arguer, just a tester, right?

I've never been unrespectful to readers in any forums yet but do not force me too much.

[oddball]

Erm...guess some folks are on holiday or something? I'd like to get auto switching to work in the latest builds. I can use older builds or use MadVR's auto switching but both feel a bit kludgy (screen flashes several times upon exit).

[ADude]

Erm...guess some folks are on holiday or something? I'd like to get auto switching to work in the latest builds. I can use older builds or use MadVR's auto switching but both feel a bit kludgy (screen flashes several times upon exit).

Most of the people who worked on MPC-HC or tested it have gone.

This makes me wonder if there is another player that is now the "in" player...

[ryrynz]

Potplayer and JRiver Media Center tend to get the most props on here.

[ADude]

Potplayer and JRiver Media Center tend to get the most props on here.

Potplayer I don't know.... but now I see the thread...

JRiver people are known to be $#$#% - check out the comments on Fileforum/Betanews.

[mindbomb]

I have a question.

When I try to take a picture from a video that is from a PAL dvd muxed into an mkv (576i), the aspect ratio changes.

(using the save image function of mpc hc)

[pirlouy]

JRiver people are known to be $#$#% - check out the comments on Fileforum/Betanews.
Ouch, they are just comments. And comments on support.
For example, Foobar2000 support is bad: hydrogenaudio forum is known to prevent any discussion, but Foobar2000 is still a good audio player.

PotPlayer is still a "stolen" application.

And I don't have "kludgy" behavior with MadVR autochange frequency feature...

[Keiyakusha]

PotPlayer is still a "stolen" application.
If you mean author stole it from his previous work, then yeah. But who cares? The company that bought his previous work are fools, as we can see, they don't need it to begin with, since they hired only 1 developer who hardly can fix anything or bring anything new. Its half-dead project (or did it died already? wasn't checking for a long time).
Or if you refer to MPC... Since it is different programming language, it can't be stolen as easily as you say that, it is likely a reimplementation of what author saw and liked. So who cares? Its the same as to say that graphstudio was "stolen" from graphedit, yeah. Also MPC-HC is mostly renderer and filters. While that player has very similar ones, it also has its own stuff which I find very promising.

I hope everyone understand what players I'm talking about since I don't feel like promoting them in this thread.

[tschi]

Bug report : I use lavfsplitter + ffdshow audio processor + mpchc (all last version), when I change audio tracks in mkv with shortcutkey, mpchc display "Unkown Error" message.
It's ok with potplayer or Zoomplayer, issue exists also with AC3filter as postprocessing filter, and with all audio decoder.

[pirlouy]

@Keiyakusha: I meant PotPlayer is listed in the FFmpeg hall of shame, so it's not nice. Plus the author told he does not want occidental users; not very nice.
But I also know he listens international people who post on his forum.

[Mixer73]

@Keiyakusha: I meant PotPlayer is listed in the FFmpeg hall of shame, so it's not nice. Plus the author told he does not want occidental users; not very nice.

Meh the FFmpeg hall of shame itself is hardly reliable; so much so its not even there anymore.

Whatever you say about PotPlayer, its bloody good and its the most actively developed and improved product I have installed on my PC! Whether or not I'm the target audience I'm benefiting from that.

I'm hanging out to see if Janwillem's work on the renderer brings MPC-HC back to usability for me but for now PotP is stable where MPC-HC is not.

[Dark Eiri]

PotPlayer is a great player, who cares if it's stolen? It's fast, reliable, often updated, it plays most things (even 4:2:2 MPEG-2 .ts files that MPC-HC fails miserably to render sometimes) and with the Q-Zune skin, it looks RIDICULOUSLY PRETTY.

[kirakami]

when will next MPC-HC stable release out?

[nevcairiel]

PotPlayer is a great player, who cares if it's stolen?

Any decent person does. Of course, most people probably also only watch stolen content with it.
The developers of other projects spent lots of time improving their players, and then something like PotPlayer comes around and steals all the enhancements without giving a single line of credit, and you're explaining here you're fine with that? Oh well, its the internet, what did i expect.

Its not like it would be hard to behave properly. All that is required is acknowledge that you use open-source software in your player, and if you modify the open-source parts, also share those modifications so that everyone can benefit. Its not magic.

[Lincoln Burrows]

Is there a way to make sure our video card can support DXVA?

I tried changing my settings and blocking ffdshow Video Decoder, but I was only able to see that MPC-HC was using DXVA in this video:

Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVCNow, I can't see the same message for this one:

Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : MicrosoftThe card I am using:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512

I am sure someone explained this before but I can't remember what was said or where the explanation is.

[nevcairiel]

The 8800 GTS only supports DXVA on H264/AVC1, and not on VC-1. Note that AVC1 and VC-1 are completely different codecs.

[pirlouy]

PotPlayer [...] plays most things (even 4:2:2 MPEG-2 .ts files that MPC-HC fails miserably to render sometimes)
If you use the right decoders (LAV filters for example) and a good renderer (madVR for example), MPC-HC just works.

[mindbomb]

I am sure someone explained this before but I can't remember what was said or where the explanation is.

Use lav video in cuvid mode.

[ADude]

Ouch, they are just comments. And comments on support.
For example, Foobar2000 support is bad: hydrogenaudio forum is known to prevent any discussion, but Foobar2000 is still a good audio player.

Both foobar2000 and Jriver have bad support from rude people who do not want to hear anything critical about their programs.

But there is a big difference - foobar2000 program and support is free, while Jriver charge money, and that should get someone good support - but it doesn't.

I hope that mad and lav received some money for the use of their code in that paid product, but I suspect not...

By the way, for those looking for a free audio-only player as good as the above, but with friendly support, try MusicBee at www.getmusicbee.com

[Mah]

What does Reinitalize when changing displays mean? Does it limit DXVA ability? And is VMR-9 mixing mode and YUV mixing and what is also Alternative VSync and does any of these limits DXVA? Thanks!

[cc979]

why does flac files using a splitter (opencodecs from xiph) and using ffdshow (even set to handle all raw audio) not work with mpc_hc when does work with graphedit ?

cheers

ps. more info here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1534192#post1534192

[Keiyakusha]

cc979
If you mean that you want to put ffdshow raw audio between decoder and renderer, you must add it to MPC-HC external filters and set to preferred. It won't be loaded otherwise even if it works in graphedit. This happens with any kind of filters you want to put between decoder and renderer, raw video or even vsfilter too (however probably not the case for older operating systems, not sure). Also don't forget that graphedit is using system graph builder while MPC-HC decides on its own what it wants to load.
As we was told long ago, this is by design, this is feature :)

[Stephen R. Savage]

cc979
If you mean that you want to put ffdshow raw audio between decoder and renderer, you must add it to MPC-HC external filters and set to preferred. It won't be loaded otherwise even if it works in graphedit. This happens with any kind of filters you want to put between decoder and renderer, raw video or even vsfilter too (however probably not the case for older operating systems, not sure). Also don't forget that graphedit is using system graph builder while MPC-HC decides on its own what it wants to load.
As we was told long ago, this is by design, this is feature :)

It's a "feature"? The only effect that I've ever noticed this having is preventing VSFilter from working. Just more examples of hack-level work in MPC-HC.

[Keiyakusha]

It's a "feature"?
Yes. Maybe my previous post gives false impression that I like this behavior? Not at all. Also I'm not the one who came up calling it feature but developers.
UPD: Actually back then I was the first one who tried to convince that this feature kind of not really good, but I totally failed :Р

[rotflol]

I downloaded build 3795 (x64) from the link in Tetsuo55's sig and while it doesn't crash in DVD menus anymore, which is great, all my DVDs now have these vertical stripes (http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5208/snapshotdvd095920111029.jpg) on them when the internal MPEG-2 filter is enabled.

[v0lt]

@rotflol
Recommended version is 1.5.3.3760 (http://www.mediafire.com/?6p9cdes26i30d)

Recent versions have many problems, especially on AMD(ATI) cards

[JanWillem32]

For those who are wondering about those problems, let me elaborate:
The older problem is that the internal codecs output data in the YV12 format when the input format is 4:2:0. That isn't supported on AMD cards, which only support NV12 as 4:2:0 format natively (can be seen in DXVA Checker, under video processors). The old solution was to convert the surfaces to YUY2, or RGB32. These methods are lossy, can't properly handle interlaced video, and are quite a waste on processing power, so I've changed that in my builds to a converter to NV12.
The newer problems came with the 10-bit codec support. Some of the old converters worked even worse than before and only a converter from P010 (10-bit 4:2:0 Y'CbCr) to YV12 has been included so far. Updating these parts of the internal codecs will take some time.

[G_M_C]

For those who are wondering about those problems, let me elaborate:
The older problem is that the internal codecs output data in the YV12 format when the input format is 4:2:0. That isn't supported on AMD cards, which only support NV12 as 4:2:0 format natively (can be seen in DXVA Checker, under video processors). The old solution was to convert the surfaces to YUY2, or RGB32. These methods are lossy, can't properly handle interlaced video, and are quite a waste on processing power, so I've changed that in my builds to a converter to NV12.
The newer problems came with the 10-bit codec support. Some of the old converters worked even worse than before and only a converter from P010 (10-bit 4:2:0 Y'CbCr) to YV12 has been included so far. Updating these parts of the internal codecs will take some time.

Does that mean that it's advisable not to use internal codecs, but to use external ones and set those to NV12 ? At least for the time beeing ?

[JanWillem32]

If you're seeing corrupt output or the surface type named as mixer format in the stats screen or filter graph menu is a conversion of YV12 to YUY2 or RGB32; yes, most certainly.

[ADude]

I think you mean "internal decoders" rather than "internal codecs" ?

A decoder is a software program, and a codec is a file specification.

[cc979]

cc979
If you mean that you want to put ffdshow raw audio between decoder and renderer, you must add it to MPC-HC external filters and set to preferred. It won't be loaded otherwise even if it works in graphedit. This happens with any kind of filters you want to put between decoder and renderer, raw video or even vsfilter too (however probably not the case for older operating systems, not sure). Also don't forget that graphedit is using system graph builder while MPC-HC decides on its own what it wants to load.
As we was told long ago, this is by design, this is feature :)

thanks for that, and indeed it does now handle output from opencodec as raw audio after adding 'ffdshow audio processor' to the external filter list

[betaking]

to all dev:
compiled last mpc-hc svn standalone mpcvideodec.ax and mpc-hc.exe give me a warning C4067 !
1>MPCVideoDecFilter.cpp(990): warning C4067: 预处理器指令后有意外标记 - 应输入换行符

[Aleksoid1978]

to all dev:
compiled last mpc-hc svn standalone mpcvideodec.ax and mpc-hc.exe give me a warning C4067 !
1>MPCVideoDecFilter.cpp(990): warning C4067: 预处理器指令后有意外标记 - 应输入换行符

So what ??? it's all ok - warning that empty function.

[Aleksoid1978]

Hi all. Test internal VC-1 DXVA decoder - http://aleksoid.tosei.ru/Test/mpc-hc_VC1_DXVA.7z
Interlace so far don't support.

[Mercury_22]

Hi all. Test internal VC-1 DXVA decoder - http://aleksoid.tosei.ru/Test/mpc-hc_VC1_DXVA.7z
Interlace so far don't support.
Working OK so far, I have just a few VC-1 Progressive files but many VC-1 Interlaced files. :thanks:

So what's the status for the VC-1 Interlaced ?

[Thunderbolt8]

whats the difference between this dxva VC-1 decoder and that one already implemented in mpc-hc since quite a while?

also, interlaced VC-1 support and compability to madvr and directvobsub (somehow) would be highly appreciated

[Lincoln Burrows]

Use lav video in cuvid mode.Thanks a lot, I was beginning to think only a new video card would solve my problem. :cool: