Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA! [Archive] - Page 133

Casimir666

22nd February 2009, 21:51

@Casimir666

I have no ffdshow or vsfilter innstalled, and i use evr renderer am i supposed to get dxva mode to anything else than not using dxva if this was working. something like with nvidia "using fgt" or similar.

This is the output from mpc from an h264 movie:
Video: DXVA 1920x1088 (16:9) 23.98fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {1B81BE68-A0C7-11D3-B984-00C04F2E73C5}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo2 {F72A76A0-EB0A-11D0-ACE4-0000C0CC16BA}

no accel for me with this version.

Ok i forget one things, could you try with this one :
http://www.zshare.net/download/560359490231a7b5/

You should see "H.264 bitstream decoder, ClearVideo(tm)" on DXVA status.

Steveo08

22nd February 2009, 22:00

You should use always the same frame. Comparisons with different frames are useless, because you don't know if the differences came from the decoder or from the different frame.;)

i know what you mean ;-)

but believe me, i jumped to the same time each decoder, but sometimes it was a little bit more, with the same time! i don't know why.

cengizhan

22nd February 2009, 22:10

I support this idea, please add it to the feature request tracker.
I have added it to the tracker. :)

clsid

22nd February 2009, 22:12

ok here are my pics to compare:

http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coreavc.png
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxva.png
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ffdshow.png
http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pwddvd8.pngSeems pretty much identical quality too my eyes. Except for the powerdvd one, that looks blurry.

chros

22nd February 2009, 22:19

Seems pretty much identical quality too my eyes. Except for the powerdvd one, that looks blurry.
I have made this test a week ago with different decoders and renderers (using the capture mode of irfanview)...

Haali's renderer is blurrier than the others (VMR9 renderless, EVR custom), and the other two is identical (ecxept for CoreAVC decoder bug, see http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1253266#post1253266 ) ...

Otherwise, the picture quality was the same, no matter what kind of decoder and renderer combination was used ... (including ffdsow RGB-HQ output ...)

PS: and yes, with some decoder and renderer combination I can't get the same frame, no matter what I'm doing ... :)

The1n

22nd February 2009, 22:20

Ok i forget one things, could you try with this one :
http://www.zshare.net/download/560359490231a7b5/

You should see "H.264 bitstream decoder, ClearVideo(tm)" on DXVA status.

Now i can see the H.264 bitstream decoder. Clearvideo
But the movies i tried to feed this version wont startup now only black screen and no audio. Playtime is at 00:00:00 at all video files i play, if i disable h264 dxva the files play nicely again.
So conclusion no audio/video when dxva is enabled in this version.

Steveo08

22nd February 2009, 22:22

Seems pretty much identical quality too my eyes. Except for the powerdvd one, that looks blurry.

in my opinion I see also in such a way. the best fix point at the screens is the suit from the man in the front, there is a more noticeably difference between power dvd and the other decoders.

Casimir666

22nd February 2009, 22:39

Now i can see the H.264 bitstream decoder. Clearvideo
But the movies i tried to feed this version wont startup now only black screen and no audio. Playtime is at 00:00:00 at all video files i play, if i disable h264 dxva the files play nicely again.
So conclusion no audio/video when dxva is enabled in this version.

Ok thanks for you tests.

The1n

22nd February 2009, 22:47

Ok thanks for you tests.

Anytime, hope this will work soon.

yesgrey

22nd February 2009, 23:34

but believe me, i jumped to the same time each decoder, but sometimes it was a little bit more, with the same time! i don't know why.
Have you tryed using an avisynth script?
Now I only do that when doing any comparisons, that way I also can avoid any interference from the video renderer... If you don't know how I can send you a script for you to see...;)

Steveo08

22nd February 2009, 23:51

Have you tryed using an avisynth script?
Now I only do that when doing any comparisons, that way I also can avoid any interference from the video renderer... If you don't know how I can send you a script for you to see...;)

no, i haven't used avisynth i just used mpc for taking pictures.

it would be nice from you, if send me your script :-)

nico.belic@gmx.net

Beliyaal

23rd February 2009, 00:27

New version available (link in signature):

* Updated to latest SVN.
* Fixed source and line info for memory leak detection everywhere.
* Fixed circular COM reference memory leak in EVR Custom render relating to COuterEVR.
* Removed dependency on mfplat.dll.
* Disable subtile animation by default if number of cores < 3.
* D3D Fullscreen GUI support is now off by default. (On causes same tearing as non-fullscreen)
* VSync option now saved.

I'm aware that stuttering is still a problem, and I'm going to rewrite the code in relation to this.

Please discuss this build in the new thread in the link in the signature.

yesgrey

23rd February 2009, 00:50

it would be nice from you, if send me your script :-)
Here is, is very simple:
DirectShowSource("your_file")
#Trim(250,250)
#Trim(8,8)++Trim(74,74)++Trim(97,97)++Trim(109,109)++Trim(134,134)++Trim(155,155)

ConvertToRGB32(matrix="rec709")

ImageWriter("picture_file_name", 0, 0, "png")

if you use DirectShowSource you have to change the merit of the decoder you want to test so it is the used for the decoding.
The Trim lines are commented. You should use the one you prefer. If you only want to compare one frame, use the first, if you want to compare more, set them in the second trim line and use it.
Then, you just need to play the script in mpc-hc and the pictures will be saved to the location you want.
I hope this helps.;)

gngn

23rd February 2009, 02:26

if you use DirectShowSource you have to change the merit of the decoder you want to test so it is the used for the decoding.

or make a graph file with Graphstudio or graphedith using the different decoders. load the movie in Graphstudio, delete the Output renderer, save the graph, and use the graph in the avisynth file instead of the actual file (you have to set audio as false):

DirectShowSource("graph_file.grf", audio=false)

sneaker_ger

23rd February 2009, 02:53

Does anyone have a binary of vsfilter.dll from the current guliverkli2 SVN? I want to try out the VFR options of TextSub.

/edit: OK, it's on xvidvideo.ru in the MPC (not HC) package...

Sagekilla

23rd February 2009, 04:23

hoborg

23rd February 2009, 08:16

Hi.
I cannot download Standalone filters 1004 32bit - link seems to be broken.

THX-UltraII

23rd February 2009, 08:42

went to EVR last night. This solved all my tearing problems I had! No more d3d fullscreen needed.

Some questions because I m new with EVR:
- Where is the EVR buffers for and do I leave it on 5 (default) for best results?
- Where is the option lock back-buffer for and is it best to leave it OFF (default)?

A general MPC-HC question:
Why is none of my media starting in Fullscreen? I always have to double-click in MPC-HC to make it go fullscreen. I have ENABLED launch files in fullscreen but this doesn t help.

whurlston

23rd February 2009, 09:01

Hi.
I cannot download Standalone filters 1004 32bit - link seems to be broken.

Works for me: http://www.xvidvideo.ru/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,1251/

(Check "I agree" then hit the "Continue" button.)

Leak

23rd February 2009, 09:38

went to EVR last night.[...]
You know what? Everyone who's even the slightest bit interested in this site already knew that from your 3 OTHER posts with THE EXACT SAME CONTENT.

Cut it out already! :rolleyes:

serj_popov

23rd February 2009, 09:47

Thank you very much authors for the player! But I cannot view popular 3gp video from mobile phones. This video consist of h.263.1 video (sorenson S263 codec) and amr sound - talked me last build of mpchc. By default such formats don't support by mpchc itself. I must install ffdshow or Nero Suite to view such video files. Will be such codecs supported by media player soon?

yesgrey

23rd February 2009, 10:14

or make a graph file with Graphstudio or graphedith using the different decoders. load the movie in Graphstudio, delete the Output renderer, save the graph, and use the graph in the avisynth file instead of the actual file (you have to set audio as false):

DirectShowSource("graph_file.grf", audio=false)
Thanks! That would be better.:)
To be honest, I don't change the merits by hand. I use zoomplayer to select the decoder, put ffdshow in the chain, and then use the script in ffshow's avisynth dialog...;)

Steveo08

23rd February 2009, 11:35

Here is, is very simple:
DirectShowSource("your_file")
#Trim(250,250)
#Trim(8,8)++Trim(74,74)++Trim(97,97)++Trim(109,109)++Trim(134,134)++Trim(155,155)

ConvertToRGB32(matrix="rec709")

ImageWriter("picture_file_name", 0, 0, "png")

if you use DirectShowSource you have to change the merit of the decoder you want to test so it is the used for the decoding.
The Trim lines are commented. You should use the one you prefer. If you only want to compare one frame, use the first, if you want to compare more, set them in the second trim line and use it.
Then, you just need to play the script in mpc-hc and the pictures will be saved to the location you want.
I hope this helps.;)

ok, thank you, i will try it!

muikster

23rd February 2009, 17:05

Hi, can there be a fix for the major issue with Ati cards and DXVA (pixelation, image looping etc)? This only occurs with WinXP and WMR9 renderless. But it is the only way to have subtitles and DXVA in WinXP.

Casshern wrote about this on Nov 2nd:
WinXP + DXVA + VMR9 -> leads to sporadic garbled video, jumping frames and corruption. It it not clear whether the bug is in Microsofts VMR9 (for XP), ATIs Catalyst driver or is an initialisation issue, but its a "known" bug.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1209070&highlight=looping#post1209070

foxyshadis

23rd February 2009, 19:24

THX-UltraII, thank you for opening another thread on the issue, however, struck for violating rule 12 in this thread.

tetsuo55

23rd February 2009, 19:57

Hi, can there be a fix for the major issue with Ati cards and DXVA (pixelation, image looping etc)? This only occurs with WinXP and WMR9 renderless. But it is the only way to have subtitles and DXVA in WinXP.

Casshern wrote about this on Nov 2nd:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1209070&highlight=looping#post1209070

This problem should be related to heavy jitter.

Beliyaal's build fixes the problem partly, he is working further on the jitter issues in the hopes of getting a straight line for everyone.

i suggest trying his latest build and see how that works out
You can find it here
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=145203

If it does not help, please report the problem in that thread with all the information beliyaal asks for.
(Once the beta testing for his build is completed it will be commited to the trunk)

hrr

23rd February 2009, 21:50

Hi !Catalyst 9.2 came out yesterday - I haven't tried it yet, but I'd assume that DXVA should be working again with it...

np: Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts I (Ghosts I-IV)

Catalyst 9.2 agphotfix with DXVA working here with XP SP3 and ATI HD2400 AGP without problem.

Mercury_22

23rd February 2009, 22:06

Is it hard to add a MPEG2 DXVA filter ? There are a lots of systems that could benefit from this ( HTPCs usually DON'T use powerful CPUs ) and a lots of MPEG2 HDTV & BLU-RAYs out there :confused:

CAN it be done ? :helpful: :thanks:

Klaus_1250

23rd February 2009, 22:10

This problem should be related to heavy jitter.

Beliyaal's build fixes the problem partly, he is working further on the jitter issues in the hopes of getting a straight line for everyone.

For me Beliyaal's version works is with subs than normal MPC-HC.

And with both MPC-HC 1004 and Beliyaals v15 I can get a perfect straight line for h264 HD on a P4 3.2 with Win XP SP3 and HD3850 AGP using VMR9 Renderless.

Only issue I still have are those damn L5.1 mkv's.

Is it hard to add a MPEG2 DXVA filter ? There are a lots of systems that could benefit from this ( HTPCs usually DON'T use powerful CPUs ) and a lots of MPEG2 HDTV & BLU-RAYs out there
AFAIK, ATi no longer has MPEG2 DXVA. They did untill Cat 8.4 or 8.5 or so. But even on a relatively old processor, MPEG2 HD shouldn't be a problem. For Bluray's, I think the whole decryption-encryption-decryption is what kills performance, not so much the MPEG2 HD part.

Mercury_22

23rd February 2009, 22:28

For me Beliyaal's version works is with subs than normal MPC-HC.

And with both MPC-HC 1004 and Beliyaals v15 I can get a perfect straight line for h264 HD on a P4 3.2 with Win XP SP3 and HD3850 AGP using VMR9 Renderless.

Only issue I still have are those damn L5.1 mkv's.

AFAIK, ATi no longer has MPEG2 DXVA. They did untill Cat 8.4 or 8.5 or so. But even on a relatively old processor, MPEG2 HD shouldn't be a problem. For Bluray's, I think the whole decryption-encryption-decryption is what kills performance, not so much the MPEG2 HD part.

ATI still has MPEG2 DXVA ! :) And using a mpeg2 DXVA filter result in ( even with my specs ) a smoother playback of my MPEG2 TV cap and Blu-rays than using MPC-HC's internal filter ! :eek:

And there are (lots of) mobile CPUs that CAN'T handle well 40000Kbps and over MPEG2 ts & m2ts ! Trust me I know this first hand !

Klaus_1250

23rd February 2009, 23:59

Ok, thanx. Curious. I had DXVA for MPEG2 with the older Catalysts, but not anymore (HD3850). Cyberlink still uses hardware acceleration though. But DXVAChecker doesn't list it anymore.

flanger216

24th February 2009, 00:42

DrNein

24th February 2009, 01:26

DXVA of MPEG-2 is still active and shown in DXVA Checker (C, D, IDCT) with an HD3650 and Catalyst 8.10, at least.

A free decoder is included with the Avivo package.

ooferomen

24th February 2009, 03:27

As of Vista, Microsoft's built-in MPEG2 decoder has full hardware acceleration.

the one that comes with vista only does mpeg2 IDCT to get full acceleration you need the OEM only TV pack

flanger216

24th February 2009, 03:51

the one that comes with vista only does mpeg2 IDCT to get full acceleration you need the OEM only TV pack

Ah, good call. Just checked, and it's the same with Windows 7. And here I was, thinking I was getting full DXVA like a sucker.

Inspector.Gadget

24th February 2009, 04:29

Hi all,

Anyone know how I can get MPC-HC to playback a blu-ray with VC-1 content? I'm trying to get my Blu-ray version of Serenity to playback. Unfortunately it seems like VLC doesn't support VC-1 for some reason (despite what the main site says) and MPC-HC can't render the file. Any chance this is a mistake on my part or is there any way for me to get this working?

Thanks!

Sorry for the late reply, but try using WMV Powertoy to force the WMV VC-1 DMO Obect to do DXVA and feed it with the internal MPC-HC decoder; Haali's splitter is buggy with 1080i VC-1 content, as on the David Gilmour concert Blu-ray "Remember That Night".

Mercury_22

24th February 2009, 10:36

As of Vista, Microsoft's built-in MPEG2 decoder has full hardware acceleration.

Maybe on some systems cause on mine it's the worst filter in comparison with FFDShow, MPC-HC's internal and Cyberlink ( TerraTec )
How can you be sure it's using "full hardware acceleration" cause (in my case) i think it's NOT ?

DXVA of MPEG-2 is still active and shown in DXVA Checker (C, D, IDCT) with an HD3650 and Catalyst 8.10, at least.

A free decoder is included with the Avivo package.

Yes it's still showing in DXVA Checker ! Catalyst 9.2 here !
Avivo package it's still NOT available for 64-bit (yet ) :mad: and the 32-bit it's NOT working on 64-bit vista in / for a 32-bit chain ! (tested with Avivo Package 9.2 32-bit ) :(

But ALL this are beside the point because I aggree not to re-invent the wheel, but having splitter + decoder + renderer out of the box for most common video format is one of the goal. Don't forget that i rename the project mpc-homecinema, which mean "support for HD media". There is few open source player with M2TS/DXVA support ;) we are talking about an integrate solution here :)

EDIT: @Devs
So can we hope for a MPEG-2 DXVA internal filter ? PLEASE ! :helpful: :)

JohnLai

24th February 2009, 12:25

I have some question regarding the shader BT.601 -> BT.701.

Isn't the BT.701 suppose to known as BT.709?
Does this shader permanantly on for SD and HD or it auto activate depending on video resolution?

Another off topic a bit, if I output the dvd video by using NV12 (dxva or ffdshow) while my lcd monitor is calibrated to SRGB profile, will there be any difference in term of visual quaility?

Since I use ATI card, should I tick the "Use Extended Display Identification Data (EDID)" at Catalyst control center?

clsid

24th February 2009, 13:38

So can we hope for a MPEG-2 DXVA internal filter ? PLEASE !At this moment the answer is NO. So please stop whining about it.

Also the fricking emoticons every time are really annoying :helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful::helpful:

clsid

24th February 2009, 13:41

Isn't the BT.701 suppose to known as BT.709?
Does this shader permanantly on for SD and HD or it auto activate depending on video resolution?

Another off topic a bit, if I output the dvd video by using NV12 (dxva or ffdshow) while my lcd monitor is calibrated to SRGB profile, will there be any difference in term of visual quaility?Yes, it is supposed to be 709. It's a typo that nobody has bothered to fix.

If the card does proper NV12 to RGB conversion, then the quality should be the same.

DrNein

24th February 2009, 13:45

Mercury_22, does CyberLink MPEG-2 not work for 64-bit Vista? It is a very good decoder. DXVA can be toggled from its property page and the CPU usage compared. If it does work then the relative performance should imply whether Microsoft's is working. It would be shame to have to use a software-only decoder even given enough brute force CPU power.

I seem to recall it being said before that there are no plans for a "free" DXVA capable MPEG-2 decoder the likes of ffmpeg as for advanced codecs. I suppose that era of necessity seemed passed since most CPUs were adequate and commercial DXVA decoders were practically free anyway. Of course HD disc formats made DXVA relevant again but still, the comeback of demanding MPEG-2 is primarily transitional. Was Casimir666 really referring to DXVA of MPEG-2... and 64-bit?

Mercury_22

24th February 2009, 14:04

muikster

24th February 2009, 14:44

Catalyst 9.2 agphotfix with DXVA working here with XP SP3 and ATI HD2400 AGP without problem.

I also installed the hotfix and DXVA problems seem to be gone! Hooray! So the problem was in the drivers..

Initial problem was this:
WinXP + DXVA + VMR9 -> leads to sporadic garbled video, jumping frames and corruption. It it not clear whether the bug is in Microsofts VMR9 (for XP), ATIs Catalyst driver or is an initialisation issue, but its a "known" bug.

JohnLai

24th February 2009, 14:48

Yes, it is supposed to be 709. It's a typo that nobody has bothered to fix.

If the card does proper NV12 to RGB conversion, then the quality should be the same.

Proper NV12 to RGB conversion? I just untick every output colorspaces at ffdshow except NV12. Is that count as proper?

Oh, how about the second question about the BT. shader? Permanantly activated for all SD and HD?

mark0077

24th February 2009, 14:49

JohnLai: On all of my nvidia cards, nv12 gives very bad output quality, it seems its only good on ATI cards so depends on what type of card you have. I use rgb32 hq in ffdshow with everything else disabled.

clsid

24th February 2009, 15:05

Proper NV12 to RGB conversion? I just untick every output colorspaces at ffdshow except NV12. Is that count as proper?

Oh, how about the second question about the BT. shader? Permanantly activated for all SD and HD?
I meant the conversion that is done by your graphics card, not what ffdshow is doing.

The shader applies to all resolutions. You can manually edit the shader code to restrict it to only SD or HD. The required code is already in place, commented out.

JohnLai

24th February 2009, 15:29

I see. Well, let just hope that ATI card does a good nv12 to rgb conversion. Too bad ATI card's nv12 output requires the YV12 Chroma Upsampling shader.

I still dont understand the meaning of "uncomment to activate for HD only". Isn't the shader is for DVD or SD video only? Blu Ray disc movie is already at BT.709, right?

Is it recommended for me to tick the aquire EDID part at Catalyst Control Center too? I am using the SRGB profile that availaible in the LCD monitor menu.

BTW....when you mean uncomment, does it mean remove the "*/" and "/*"?

flanger216

24th February 2009, 16:06

Yes, keep the 'use EDID' box checked. You would only want it unchecked if your monitor's white-balance is obviously incorrect (there's no reason - outside of malfunction - for this to happen), or if you need to fine-tune it to some strange, overly specific color temperature (which you would only want for complicated purposes, none of which have anything to do with HTPC use).

Casshern

24th February 2009, 17:48

I tried the 9.2 Hotfix now and found:
1) no more crashes when excessively seeking in DXVA playbacks - so it's the first usable driver for the AGP cards since 8.5
2) Garbled video, frame jumping, corruption (only with vmr9 renderless - overlay and vmr7 work great) unfortunately is still there, if you size the display window larger than 1440x800 (e.g. 1920x1080 fullscreen playback)

Summary: first usable driver since 8.5 - no drawbacks. But main problem in vmr9 renderless is still there at Full HD display resolutions. Only PowerDVD seems to initialize the driver and/or VMR9 renderless properly - it works without any artifacts at 1920x1080 in VMR 9 renderless

Interestingly - but this might be a pure fatamorgana - the jumping frames, corruption, garbled video with vmr9 renderless seems to be reduced (not completly gone) while the mpc controls (seek bar etc.) are displayed at the bottom.

So it's a safe replacement for the trusty 8.5 - no BSOD and working DXVA with vmr7 and overlay (WinXP). Unfortunately still no working VMR9 renderless - meaning that no subltitles for bluray. You still need PDVD for that.

That's my milage on the 9.2 - yours might vary!

regards,

Casshern

I also installed the hotfix and DXVA problems seem to be gone! Hooray! So the problem was in the drivers..

Initial problem was this: