Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[nevcairiel]

In theory yes, in practice the difference in cpu usage is probably very very small.

[rahzel]

Thanks. Few more question: is the MSVC2010 build as stable as the 2008 build? And do you need MSVC2010 installed on your system in order to use that build?

[MPC-HTPC]

@ rahzel

The MSVC 2010 and MSVC 2008 builds share the same code basis, which means that both versions are equally stable (or unstable). It is just an additional information for the user in order to know, which compiler was used for building the executable program. To put in a nutshell: if a bug exists in the MSVC 2008 build it also exists in the MSVC 2010 build.
Furthermore you do not need any MSVC version installed on your system (as you don't need any compiler installed on your system if you want to use some piece of software). So you can simply go ahead and use the MSVC 2010 build as long as your CPU is SSE2 capable.

[rahzel]

Thanks again. I'm pretty sure all of my processors are SSE2 compatible. Aren't most modern processors SSE2 compatible? I have an AMD Athlon II 250 AM3, an Athlon X2 5050E AM2, and an Athlon X2 2350BE AM2.

Edit: Tried the 2010 build and it definitely feels more responsive.

[nevcairiel]

All CPUs since Athlon64 or Pentium4 support SSE2, so you would need somethnig like a Pentium3 or Athlon XP to run into issues there, and imho, its questionable if those are even fast enough to play media properly. ;)

[namaiki]

All CPUs since Athlon64 or Pentium4 support SSE2, so you would need somethnig like a Pentium3 or Athlon XP to run into issues there, and imho, its questionable if those are even fast enough to play media properly. ;)

Even Pentium 4 is pretty dodgy nowadays.

[xm]

I am using playlist (usually filed by the menu->File->OpenDirectory...) where all the videofiles have multiple audio tracks (different langs). The MPC-HC seems to forget the selected audio track when it jumps to a next file in the playlist, it always switches to the 1st audio track available. Is it a known problem (I did not find a ticket for that)?

[namaiki]

MPC-HC sees no correspondence between tracks in different files.
(besides, this will really depend on how the tracks have been marked/named/flagged within the file as well, which may not always be perfectly consistent between one file and another, for instance: English vs ENG vs Original)

If you want to, you could probably try write up a 'feature request' on the tracker.

[xm]

Ok, thanks for quick answer.

[rica]

Hi tetsuo55 ,

I have some requests:

1) I'd love to have the chance to select the filters alternatively according to the audio streaming way.

Menu > DX Options >

> Bitstreaming (sub-branches TS/PS or mkv for each option)
> LPCM passthrough
> Mixing to PCM

And for each option filters should be selectable?

For instance:

For bitstreaming > ts/m2ts > filters:
Gabest Splitter > ffdshow > Default Direct Sound device

For mixing to PCM > ts/m2ts > filters:
Arcsoft MPEG Demux > ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD > ReClock.

And so on...

And selecting one of those three options at the beginning will select our custom filtergraph.

2) We need a splitter (working with an external audio-video filter- don't mean ffdshow for sure) which is able to open BDs over "Open DVD" option.

"Open file" option is very boring even the main stream is a single file and it's impossible to open seamless branching movies with this option. (-no mpls support)

Thanks.

[nevcairiel]

"Open file" option is very boring even the main stream is a single file and it's impossible to open seamless branching movies with this option. (-no mpls support)

Thanks.

Open the "index.bdmv", it should give you seamless branching. Works for most movies, at least.

[MPC-HTPC]

Hi rica,

if I am not totally mistaken and got your post all wrong, then the latest Revison of MPC-HC from SVN (and I am pretty sure that the latest stable has this feature already) supports at least mpls-Playlists via the "Open file" or "Quick open file" option. You can even see the MPLS entry in the object types (named "Blu-ray playlist file", located nearly at the bottom of the list). There are even closed tickets on the trac for MPLS-Playlists:

BD Timeline (movie lenght) with MPLS playlist (Mpeg Splitter) wrong (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/601)

[burfadel]

Even Pentium 4 is pretty dodgy nowadays.

Pentium 4's were always dodgy, right from the original Socket 478 Pentium 4's which were slower than a Pentium 3 at around the same clock speed, up to the last Penium 4 Extreme EE editions dual cores at 3.8Ghz which were bettered by a 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo.

Pentium 4's were overrated, they really were only successful because they had the Intel name.

[Zarxrax]

The right-click menu in MPC-HC is really cluttered. Would it be possible to make it customizable, so we could make items we never use "hidden", and maybe have an arrow at the bottom of the menu that could expand it to full size?

[jos99]

Anyone know why installing the latest version of Windows Live Essentials on W7 32 bit, i.e. Movie Maker, Photo Gallery, Mail, Writer Messenger could have f*ked up MPC-HC? I have since uninstalled Movie Maker/Photo Gallery but there still seems to be a problem using EVR Custom Presenter & Microsoft DTV-DVD decoder with bad jitter particularly on .TS recordings, average sync offset is always a negative number which I don't think it was before, dragging the window around the screen is choppy. EVR Sync is a bit better but still bad on some files.

EDIT: the choppiness when dragging window round screen only seems to effect DXVA, using either Microsoft DTV-DVD decoder or MPC-HC MPEG2 decoder.

[oddball]

I'm probably asking a stretch here but...

Does anyone know how to get mpc-hc to close a program on launch and relaunch the closed program on exit? I know how to do it by opening mpc-hc manually using a batch file method but it does not work if I double click on a video file because the batch is not called. I also tried calling the batch file by right clicking a video file and telling it to open using the batch file I created. I use Asus EPU-6 program for power saving but it interferes with mpc-hc in combination with ReClock (Don't tell me not to use ReClock please my needs are very specific).

Basically I need mpc-hc to launch when double clicking a video file but only after EPU-6 SixEngine.exe is killed and relaunch SixEngine.exe on exit. Impossible?

Current method is to launch mpc-hc first using

@echo off
taskkill /f /im SixEngine.exe
call "C:\Program Files (x86)\Media Player Classic - Home Cinema\mpc-hc.exe"
start /d "C:\Program Files\Asus\EPU-6 Engine" SixEngine.exe -b
goto :eof

and converting the bat to an exe so I can pin it to my taskbar (Then just change the icon to mpc-hc's). But I'd much prefer the double click on file method to work.

[rica]

Thanks nevcairiel and MPC-HTPC.

Really i haven't been awared MPC supports mpls.
But anyway this doesn't change the situation: i still need to use "open file" option.

BTW it was related only the second request of mine.
First item ,and the most important one to me, has to wait.

[Zarxrax]

oddball: I think you could probably do that with AutoHotKey, using the Process command: http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/Process.htm

[pankov]

oddball,
I have an idea:
if I'm not mistaken you can use "%1" in a batch file so you "take" the first parameter of the command line and pass it to mpc-hc.exe.
This will load the file in MPC.
After this you change all media files associations to use your new ".exe" and this should work if the "converting the bat to exe" is done properly and doesn't destroy the command line parameters.
Sorry, but I don't know exactly how you are doing this conversion so I can't test/know if it really works.

[dbone1026]

How do you open a BluRay rip with MPC HC? For some reason I thought it could be done just pointing to the folder where the index.bdmv file was located, but that doesn't work. The only way I can get to work is to go to File - > Open Directory and then navigate to the STREAM folder where the m2ts is located. I am running MPC HC 1.4.2646. My BluRay rips are all created with Clown_BD and are just of the main movie.

[nevcairiel]

"Open File" and select the index.bdmv. Only works with the internal mpeg splitter enabled.

[dbone1026]

"Open File" and select the index.bdmv. Only works with the internal mpeg splitter enabled.

Yup, that is what I was missing (internal mpeg splitter was unchecked). :thanks:

[MPC-HTPC]

But anyway this doesn't change the situation: i still need to use "open file" option.

Hi rica,

as far as I know, the MPC-HC Team has plans to integrate libbluray into MPC-HC in the future (I guess when it is stable and functional enough). Maybe then there will be a possibility to open Blu-Rays the same way as it already works for DVDs (just specify the folder the DVD is saved in).
Please see the following link, where tetsuo made a statement about libbluray integration:

tetsuo's statement regarding libbluray (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1419214#post1419214)

[rica]

Hi MPC-HTPC,

Thanks for the good news.

[tetsuo55]

Hi tetsuo55 ,

I have some requests:

1) I'd love to have the chance to select the filters alternatively according to the audio streaming way.

Menu > DX Options >

> Bitstreaming (sub-branches TS/PS or mkv for each option)
> LPCM passthrough
> Mixing to PCM

And for each option filters should be selectable?

For instance:

For bitstreaming > ts/m2ts > filters:
Gabest Splitter > ffdshow > Default Direct Sound device

For mixing to PCM > ts/m2ts > filters:
Arcsoft MPEG Demux > ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD > ReClock.

And so on...

And selecting one of those three options at the beginning will select our custom filtergraph.

2) We need a splitter (working with an external audio-video filter- don't mean ffdshow for sure) which is able to open BDs over "Open DVD" option.

"Open file" option is very boring even the main stream is a single file and it's impossible to open seamless branching movies with this option. (-no mpls support)

Thanks.Feel free to open tickets for both requests, not however that we wont be implementing 1 ourselves, but 2 is on the long term to-do list(but we dont have any devs to actually implement it)The right-click menu in MPC-HC is really cluttered. Would it be possible to make it customizable, so we could make items we never use "hidden", and maybe have an arrow at the bottom of the menu that could expand it to full size?We intend to work on the rightclick menu, but we dont have any intention to make it customisable ourselves.

[rica]

Feel free to open tickets for both requests, not however that we wont be implementing 1 ourselves

Thanks for the response.
So it might be expected (1) in a very near feature-i hope? :thanks:
or i misunderstood- hope not? :confused:

"we won't be implementing" > No

Or

"not we won't be implementing"? > Yes

[MPC-HTPC]

As far as I can tell from tetsuo's post, the MPC-HC Team will not implement your first request themselves. This means there has to be a willing developer found, who can write a patch for the MPC-HC source code to add this function. However, I think you should open a ticket on the trac for each feature request, so that they won't get lost in this thread and maybe some day a programmer, who wants and can implement this feature, sees it there.

How to report a new ticket (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/wiki/How_to_Report_Issues)

Open a new ticket (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/newticket)

[clsid]

Plus you guys are forgetting about the fact that MPC does not have mind reading capabilities. How the hell should it know the exact contents a file has before it actually builds the DirectShow graph? Sure, something like MediaInfo could be used, but that could slow down file loading significantly. And what about the settings of the individual filters? How the hell should it know whether your decoder is configured for bitstreaming or not. Things are much much more complex than you think. It isn't impossible. For example ZoomPlayer has some of these capabilities. But do not expect MPC to get it any time soon, or ever at all. There is just nobody available that is willing or capable of implementing this. And if there are more devs willing to work on MPC, there are imo much more important features/bugs to be worked on.

A simpler design would be to add some kind of preset functionality to MPC to allow selecting preferred filters based on a tag in the filename. Then MPC can just play dumb and trust the users knowledge about the file.
For example:
Movie_Name_[P=profilename1].mkv
profilename1 -> Prefer source filter V, video decoder W, audio decoder X, audio renderer Y, video renderer Z. Or just a subset of these.

[SamuriHL]

Or you could use a media description text file with the same name as the MKV that MPC could read. Then some clever individual could write a script/program to output that file using info from media info. ;) The nice thing about a media description file is that it could be extended in the future if some other functionality is needed/wanted.

[rica]

But do not expect MPC to get it any time soon, or ever at all. There is just nobody available that is willing or capable of implementing this. And if there are more devs willing to work on MPC, there are imo much more important features/bugs to be worked on.


Thanks MPC-HTPC.
But i suppose i gonna give up getting a ticket after reading clsid.



Plus you guys are forgetting about the fact that MPC does not have mind reading capabilities. How the hell should it know the exact contents a file has before it actually builds the DirectShow graph? Sure, something like MediaInfo could be used, but that could slow down file loading significantly.

Even PDVD or TMT doesn't know the exact contents
but user selects (himself/herself) -not the SW itself, one of those options

and additionally i offered MPC-HC might make custom GraphChains for evey option seperately and selecting any individual option brings custom chain which says to player what filters it should use on that individual option:



>

> Bitstreaming (sub-branches TS/PS or mkv for each option)
> LPCM passthrough
> Mixing to PCM

And for each option filters should be selectable?

For instance:

For bitstreaming > ts/m2ts > filters:
Gabest Splitter > ffdshow > Default Direct Sound device

For mixing to PCM > ts/m2ts > filters:
Arcsoft MPEG Demux > ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD > ReClock.

And so on...

And selecting one of those three options at the beginning will select our custom filtergraph.



Things are much much more complex than you think

Maybe or not as much as complicated than you think?

_ _ _ _ _ _

[oddball]

oddball,
I have an idea:
if I'm not mistaken you can use "%1" in a batch file so you "take" the first parameter of the command line and pass it to mpc-hc.exe.
This will load the file in MPC.
After this you change all media files associations to use your new ".exe" and this should work if the "converting the bat to exe" is done properly and doesn't destroy the command line parameters.
Sorry, but I don't know exactly how you are doing this conversion so I can't test/know if it really works.

Unfortunately when the bat gets compiled to an exe I lose the taskkill and call to relaunch the closed app when mpc-hc exits. mpc-hc launches and plays the file though. I can get it work if I just open the video with the batch file non-compiled but I get a cmd window. Kinda ugly a workaround.

[pankov]

oddball,
if you want to skip the ugly cmd window you should look into vbs scripts.
It's not very complicated to write one and it's way more powerful than batch files.
Sadly I don't have the time and I lack a lot of knowledge about vbs scripts but I'm 99% certain it can be done this way.

[oddball]

oddball,
if you want to skip the ugly cmd window you should look into vbs scripts.
It's not very complicated to write one and it's way more powerful than batch files.
Sadly I don't have the time and I lack a lot of knowledge about vbs scripts but I'm 99% certain it can be done this way.

Yeah thanks. I have a problem anyhow in that the application (Power Management EPU-6 thing for my Asus motherboard) requires you to exit gracefully along with a confirmation 'ok' or 'cancel' dialog box otherwise if you kill the process it leaves the system in the low powered state and mpc-hc along with reclock still screws up. This is a power management issue that interferes with those two apps in combination. If I exit the power saving app normally it says it will set the system back to high performance mode and then playback is fine. So basically I would need to find a way to automate the closing of the program by exiting it normally and selecting 'ok' from a command line/batch/script/whatever. It's a shame because I just found a bat to exe convertor that does not destroy the batch commands. So I have it working to kill the task, launch mpc-hc and it plays the file from right click/double click and relaunch the power saving app on exit. But it's pointless unless I can exit the app properly.

Sigh...guess I will just have to remember to exit the power saving app each time I use mpc-hc and just have the app relaunch on exit.

[robpdotcom]

I can only connect to the tuner when set to analog. When I set it to digital I get "BDE Error: could not connect Network or Tuner". Does MPC not support ATSC? I did some searching and found where someone said it only supports DVB-t. You are right. As of today we can only confirm that DVB-t is supported. The main reason is that the few developers we are working on this have only access to DVB-t, so even though ATSC should be quite similar, has never been tested.

You might open a ticket on this. Then we could do some debugging and testing with your help.

BTW which network provider were you using, the ATSC one or the Generic Microsoft Network provider?

I've opened ticket #837 (https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/837)for this. Let me know how I can help, or if I did something incorrect when opening the ticket (never opened one before).

BTW, I have another possible bug:

When using Dscaler MPEG2 decoder, MPC freezes when I try to change any of the options in Dscaler. I've tried double clicking the filter in the external filters list, and also tried opening Dscaler while playing a video by right click>Filters>Dscaler MPEG2 Video Decoder. Either way instantly causes MPC to crash.

This happens on my W7 64bit PC (even after a fresh install, with only video card drivers, MPC-HC x86, Dscaler, and DirectX installed), but causes no problems on my XP machine.

[leeperry]

So I have it working to kill the task, launch mpc-hc and it plays the file from right click/double click and relaunch the power saving app on exit. But it's pointless unless I can exit the app properly.
Being quite stubborn at times, at some point I was using MPC+Reclock for music...but the damn thing would sometimes not exit properly and remain as a process, and then running another MPC instance on top would just completely ruin the whole thing :devil:

I was running a hidden batch using the %1 trick using this app: http://www.commandline.co.uk/chp/
mplayerc.exe %1
process.exe -k mplayerc.exe
and you can send keystrokes using this app(I use it to switch between my CRT and DLP pj on the spot via a hidden batch)...you could send "CTRL+F4 + enter" or so: http://www.splinterware.com/products/launchkey.htm
launchkey "^{F1}"
And indeed the best way to make Reclock happy is to disable the speedstep mechanisms of your CPU/GPU, and use the ACPI Timer if you're on XP.

[v0lt]

Armenian and Japanese are not build (rev.2679, VS2008, Release Win32).

[Sebastiii]

Hi,

With the great help of Underground78, we maybe fix an issue (seeking) for BD seamless for H264 and VC1.
On some BD seamless with AVC(H264) stream (for example Iron Man 2), we need to update m_rtPTSOffset, in last recent patch we remove it because it make issue for seeking on VC1.

So we have to make a condition that if the BD seamless is AVC(H264), we need to load m_rtPTSOffset.
I have tested on my BD seamless H264 and VC1 on 3 PC(s) and it's ok.
It seems that with Aleksoid it doesn't work.

I will like to know if someone can test too the build, it's only for testing and don not use in production :)
I have also change one thing that make working VC1 decoded by FFDShow with no shutter.
In rar, you can find, the splitter for standalone testing and mpchc.exe and of course the patch :)

The link : http://www.mediafire.com/?go5jaa4xtonmof7

Thanks,
Seb & Undergroung78

[daWsOn_s]

can u help me with this related to MPC HC? http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=157369

[hissatsu]

Hi,

With the great help of Underground78, we maybe fix an issue (seeking) for BD seamless for H264 and VC1.

Unfortunately, from testing with a few BDs, it seems to be worse. Seeking seems to be very bad after the first file in an mpls playlist. It just gets completely stuck. Only tested on H264.

[Sebastiii]

Unfortunately, from testing with a few BDs, it seems to be worse. Seeking seems to be very bad after the first file in an mpls playlist. It just gets completely stuck. Only tested on H264.

So you have the same issue of aleksoid.
I retry on my side on 2 Computer (ATI/Nvidia).
BD no seamless and BD seamless VC1 and H264 with :
Cyberlink PDVD10 (DXVA), MPC Video (DXVA) and FFDShow (software) on mpc-hc (internal/external filter) and i didn't have any pb when seeking.

The main diff with this patch is to reenable m_rtPTSOffset that was remove because of seeking on BD seamless VC1.

I disable the fix for ffdshow :
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?f2ii3s8q37bbilb

And here big revert but with the remove of m_rtPTSOffset when BD seamless VC1 is detected (but duration was not exactly the good one):
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?57akrae394rlrsz

:thanks: for testing.

[war59312]

I have a .mp4 video file in which MPC-HC will not play the video, just the audio.

And yet same file plays just fine in VLC, WMP, on my XboX 360, in DivX Player Plus, etc.

Any ideas how I can split a part off the video to create a sample so you guys can see it too and figure out why and hopefully make it playable in MPC-HC too.

I tried http://www.freevideocutter.com/ which did successfully make a small sample for me but oddly enough the sample plays just fine in MPC-HC. Very odd!

[Mercury_22]

There is a problem with the default player when there are both (x86 & x64) MPC-HC versions on a system :
If I set one version, let's say x86, as default player for all (any) formats if I open the other one (x64) and I just go to "Formats" (options --> Formats) without changing anything (nothing it's selected) and then close it (the x64 version) the first version (x86, which was set as default player for all formats) it's NOT anymore the default player for all formats

Can somebody do something about this ?

EDIT: I'm guessing that maybe there is a "64" missing in the x64 version format association

[clsid]

Yep, it would indeed probably be better to let the x64 build use "mplayerc64.extension" instead of "mplayerc.extension" for its file associations. Should be an easy change for the devs.

[terminaldawn]

accidently submitted a double post

[terminaldawn]

I am having a couple of issues playing back 24p content on my 24p capable TV with 64bit MPC-HC (ver. 1.4.2499.0) . I am getting jerky video when initially playing a 23.976 file. The other issue is that I am getting frequent dropped frames during 24p playback. Can someone please help me with this? :)


---- Is anyone successfully playing back 24p content with MPC-HC and having success? Is so please report this to me and what version of MPC-HC and FFDSHow are you using? -----




Issue 1 - Upon Launch of 23.976 MKV file Playback is very jerky

Here is a step by step of what is happening:

1. I set MPC-HC to use Auto Select (Auto Select option can be set to 24 Hz or 23.976 Hz, either way the results are the same)
2. I launch an MKV file encoded at 23.976.
3. My display recognizes the source is 24 Hz and switches into 24 Hz mode.
4. The video opens and begins to play very jerky.
5. I can resolve the jerky playback temporarily by going into the MPC-HC OPTIONS screen and canceling out without making any changes (my display is still recognizing the source as 24 Hz and is in 24 Hz mode).

(NOTE: If I turn OFF the Auto Select option in MPC and just play my videos at 60 Hz playback is smooth and I don’t have any issues)

Questions:
1. How can I get my 23.976 mkvs to launch and playback smooth without having to do the Options toggle trick after the file is launched?
2. Is this a bug or is this something specific to my setup?
3. Any troubleshooting steps that is recommended for this?




Issue 2 –VC-1 23.976 mkv files are frequently dropping frames when Auto Select is engaged

I get frequent dropped frames when playing a VC-1 23.976 MKV file using the OUTPUT selection of EVR CUSTOM.

If I change the OUTPUT selection to SYSTEM DEFAULT the VC-1 mkv plays fine.

I would just change the OUTPUT selection to SYTEM DEFAULT as a fix, however my AVC 23.976 MKV files then drop frames.
NOTE - If I play the file with Auto Select off (60Hz) the video plays fine with EVR CUSTOM.

What is the correct OUTPUT selection to be using for 24p VC-1 and AVC?



THANKS!!!

[Inspector.Gadget]

What is the correct OUTPUT selection to be using for 24p VC-1 and AVC?

Leave it on EVR Custom; what happens with VC-1 if you enable Frame Time Correction in the renderer settings?

[SpaceAgeHero]

Are there any limitations with chapters in mkv files?

I have some mkv files with ~ 24 min video and ~ 53 chapters (clips). MPC just closes immediately when opening.
After I have remuxed one of these files without the chapters, everything is fine ...

Edit: When I open a normal video first and then load files with many chapters everything is fine as well... Hhm.
So this only occurs it is the first file I want to open (no matter if I double click the file from explorer or drag and drop into a running instance).

[robpdotcom]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the MPC-MKV splitter has a chapter limitation (39 I think).

You can either remux with fewer chapters, or just use the Haali splitter - if you already have Haali installed, just disable the internal mkv splitter in MPC.

[terminaldawn]

Leave it on EVR Custom; what happens with VC-1 if you enable Frame Time Correction in the renderer settings?

Thanks I will try that when I am in front of my HTPC later on.


Question is for anyone. Is there a guide for recommended MPC-HC settings?

[terminaldawn]

Leave it on EVR Custom; what happens with VC-1 if you enable Frame Time Correction in the renderer settings?

I tried enabling Frame Time Correction and both my issues still apply. (1. Upon starting 24 Hz video video is jerky. 2. Dropped frames in VC-1 video while in 24 Hz)

Should I be doing anything special with my Filter settings?

Here is what I have set. pretty much default settings.

http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11659&d=1286854467


http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11660&d=1286854483