Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[donaldtone]

I just want to signal a "bug" in the last r383.

Launching the apps it gives me

"The application failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect"

After some researches i did found it depends on the facts that needed libraries are not statically linked in the exe.

So please fix it.

Thanks.

The same problem occurs in build 4.03.

[MatMaul]

http://www.etud.insa-toulouse.fr/~mvelten/bordel/mplayerc_r404.7z

[fezster]

Thanks, that works well with a few x264 files I tried which previously wouldnt play. They now default to SW mode.

Ive been digging through the past threads, but not sure what the problem is with the 1080p h264 files - why do they show in green ?

Also, is this decoder likely to be released as a directshow filter so we can use it within MCE ?

Thanks for the efforts, much appreciated by a lot of lurkers (like me !), Im sure..

[wOxxOm]

BUG:
1. start an empty MPCHC, a DVD video disc is in the only drive
2. Ctrl-D -- no movie is displayed, but a folder selection dialog appears
3. either choose DVD drive in the dialog or File - OpenDVD - MyDriveLetter (with DVD volume label there)
4. trash displayed, CPU usage 100%, pressing Ctrl-Shift-Esc to invoke TaskManager makes it appear in 5 seconds, another 5 secs to terminate mplayerc

EVR custom, XPsp2en, nVidia 7600GT, ffdshow tryouts 27 dec, everything's fine with mplayerC 27.jan.08, all internal MPC/HC filters are off.

update:
after terminating previous instance with EVR:
with HaaliRenderer: File-OpenDVD -- immediate app crash
with SysDefault, VMR9rl: OK

update2: mpchc + EVRcustom + nVidiaPureVideo works ok with dvd

[Leak]

The same problem occurs in build 4.03.
Then please grab Dependency Walker (http://www.dependencywalker.com/), open the problematic mplayerc.exe with it and tell us exactly which DLLs are missing.

I'd hazard a bet it's the Visual C++ 2005 SP1 redistributables (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=200b2fd9-ae1a-4a14-984d-389c36f85647&DisplayLang=en), and including those files with MPC ain't gonna happen...

np: Grad_U - Knob III (CMYK)

[SBeaver]

update:
with HaaliRenderer: File-OpenDVD -- immediate app crash
with SysDefault, VMR9rl: OK

I've always had that problem, but it's probably haalis fault.
What I do is enable dvd video title set and then I just open the IFO file from the dvd.
That way, I don't have to worry about menus either.
It's not a pretty solution but it works.

[wOxxOm]

the fact that MPCHC's Ctrl-D does not immediately display the currently inserted (and the only present) DVD disc is frustrating and meaningless for me. MPC wins it :-)

MPC (/HC) has absolutely no problems with whatsoever part of Haali splitter/renderer (here). The crash was caused by previously terminated mpchc+EVR (after restarting the pc, MPCHC+HR+FFDShow plays ok File-DVD)

btw EVR/custom (mpchc) works ok with usual avi/mkv movies (FFDshow+Haali splitter).

[SBeaver]

the fact that MPCHC's Ctrl-D does not immediately display the currently inserted (and the only present) DVD disc is frustrating and meaningless for me. MPC wins it :-)

MPC (/HC) has absolutely no problems with whatsoever part of Haali splitter/renderer (here). The crash was caused by previously terminated mpchc+EVR (after restarting the pc, MPCHC+HR+FFDShow plays ok File-DVD)

btw EVR/custom (mpchc) works ok with usual avi/mkv movies (FFDshow+Haali splitter).

I missed that you said crash. I meant the "macrovision fail" message.

edit: just to be clear, the dvd is not encrypted

[clsid]

Then please grab Dependency Walker (http://www.dependencywalker.com/), open the problematic mplayerc.exe with it and tell us exactly which DLLs are missing.

I'd hazard a bet it's the Visual C++ 2005 SP1 redistributables (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=200b2fd9-ae1a-4a14-984d-389c36f85647&DisplayLang=en), and including those files with MPC ain't gonna happen...

np: Grad_U - Knob III (CMYK)
MPC uses static linking, so the runtime is not needed.

However, Visual Studio 2005 has a nasty habit of embedding a manifest into the executable by default. That manifest causes Windows to think that the runtime is needed.

The solution would be to explicitly disable manifest creation and embedding in the project settings.

[Leak]

However, Visual Studio 2005 has a nasty habit of embedding a manifest into the executable by default. That manifest causes Windows to think that the runtime is needed.
Well, in that case installing the redistributables should still fix it... :)

np: Joel Tammik - Vorm Ja Praegu (Intelligent Toys 4)

[Casimir666]

MPC uses static linking, so the runtime is not needed.

However, Visual Studio 2005 has a nasty habit of embedding a manifest into the executable by default. That manifest causes Windows to think that the runtime is needed.

The solution would be to explicitly disable manifest creation and embedding in the project settings.

Hum.... that's a little bit more complicated with x64 because manifest is different, so it's interesting to let VS generate it.

[clsid]

I assume you mean the "Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" manifest? That is a different one. That one should indeed be embedded.

[duncanvdlinden]

Is it possible to use DXVA acceleration with an intel X3100?
I'm looking for a new notebook, and the Macbook has this chip, but hardware H264 acceleration is very important for me, to play smooth X264 with the notebook

[khagaroth]

Would it be possible to add an option to force output color space of internal video decoders? Particulary to NV12, as that's the only color space which allows to use HW deinterlacing and postprocessing on pre HD ATI (nVidia?) cards without need to use DXVA.

[Casimir666]

Is it possible to use DXVA acceleration with an intel X3100?
I'm looking for a new notebook, and the Macbook has this chip, but hardware H264 acceleration is very important for me, to play smooth X264 with the notebook

Try DXVAChecker and tell me what it says :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1090111

@khagaroth
Maybe later for NV12, only YV12 at the moment for SW decoding

[ADude]

Is it possible to use DXVA acceleration with an intel X3100?
I'm looking for a new notebook, and the Macbook has this chip, but hardware H264 acceleration is very important for me, to play smooth X264 with the notebook

- Many x264 files are not compatible with hardware acceleration.

- Hardware acceleration is not important for playing smooth x264.

What you need is MPC-HC set to use EVR Custom Presenter, and then either ffdshow decoder or else CoreAVC Pro 1.6.5 decoder.

[donaldtone]

Is it possible to add a subtitle option like that: draw to image itself? In kmplayer, this option is default and it works very well. It costs less cpu power than use directvobsub.

[ADude]

In my experience, ReClock is still needed. Just try to play a 29.97 fps video in a 60Hz screen and you'll see what I mean. Vista has a 59.97Hz refresh option, which unfortunately has been rendered useless, at least for Nvidia card owners.

I play 29.97 fps video all the time on my 60hz screen and I have not encountered any problems using:

MPC-HC with EVR Custom Presenter under Vista Home Basic (no Aero) with ffdshow for everything other than H264, for which I use CoreAVC.

Is there something I should be looking for ? (I hate to ask that, because you may point out some playback flaw that I had previously not noticed. :D )

[jhoff80]

On a few of my 720p x264 TV episodes, I noticed that things turn to a blocky mess. If I turn DXVA off, then the blockyness disappears. This is with H.264 skip deblocking set to none.

The detecting of which files can't be accelerated and need to use software mode seems to be working perfectly in 404 though. Did you mention if you plan on releasing this decoder as a standalone product once its completely stable? I'd love an x64 version that I could use in Media Center.

[Joniii]

That is on my top priority list now that DXVA is almost finished

Btw, will it be also available in .ax/.dll file or just with mpc-hc?

[cca]

I play 29.97 fps video all the time on my 60hz screen and I have not encountered any problems using:

MPC-HC with EVR Custom Presenter under Vista Home Basic (no Aero) with ffdshow for everything other than H264, for which I use CoreAVC.

Is there something I should be looking for ? (I hate to ask that, because you may point out some playback flaw that I had previously not noticed. :D )

What I observe under these conditions is jerky motion. Every once in a while, the video makes annoying jumps, like skipping a frame or two. This effect is completely eliminated with ReClock.

[clsid]

Is it possible to add a subtitle option like that: draw to image itself? In kmplayer, this option is default and it works very well. It costs less cpu power than use directvobsub.
You should try the internal subtitle renderer in MPC. That works a bit different than standalone DirectVobSub. It lets the video renderer merge the subs with the video image.

[nurbs]

Is it possible to use DXVA acceleration with an intel X3100?
I'm looking for a new notebook, and the Macbook has this chip, but hardware H264 acceleration is very important for me, to play smooth X264 with the notebook

According to the list on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#Table_of_GMA_graphics_cores_and_chipsets) the x3100 doesn't support hardware acceleration for h264 decoding.

[donaldtone]

You should try the internal subtitle renderer in MPC. That works a bit different than standalone DirectVobSub. It lets the video renderer merge the subs with the video image.
Could you show how to use the internal subtitle renderer in MPC? I could not find the involved configuration.

[_xxl]

MPC-->view-->options-->playback-->output-->DirectShow video: WMR7 & WMR9 (renderless) can load subtitles.

[DigitalDeviant]

You should try the internal subtitle renderer in MPC. That works a bit different than standalone DirectVobSub. It lets the video renderer merge the subs with the video image.

I've been told the internal renderer displays the subtitles a frame off of the actual timecode, at least for ssa/ass text. Is there any truth to that?

[clsid]

VSFilter may be off by one frame. Same probably also applies to the internal subtitle renderer.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=118234&highlight=vsfilter+frame+off

[donaldtone]

MPC-->view-->options-->playback-->output-->DirectShow video: WMR7 & WMR9 (renderless) can load subtitles.They depend on vmr7 or vmr9(renderless) to show subtitles. By contrast, in kmplayer, the internal renderer "draw to image itself" works even at overlay mixer. Kmplayer also supports vmr7 or vmr9 mode. In a word, kmplayer internal subtitle renderer is much better than mpc because it is nothing to with the video hardware.

[_xxl]

That's because mpc is no longer being developed.

[ADude]

What I observe under these conditions is jerky motion. Every once in a while, the video makes annoying jumps, like skipping a frame or two. This effect is completely eliminated with ReClock.

That definitely doesn't happen with my setup using Vista 32 bit Home Basic (no Aero).

Both the Video and Audio software had major rewrites between XP and Vista, and I seem to remember reading that timing issues were one of the areas that was improved. I'll see if I can find more details.

PS The effect you describe was most pronounced when watching Xvid videos using my standalone DVD/Divx player, interestingly...

[leeperry]

hey dude, nothing can beat Reclock resampling 29.97@30 and 23.976@24 ;)

it's resampling the audio, so the framerate becomes judder-free.

[ADude]

What I observe under these conditions is jerky motion. Every once in a while, the video makes annoying jumps, like skipping a frame or two. This effect is completely eliminated with ReClock.

hey dude, nothing can beat Reclock resampling 29.97@30 and 23.976@24 ;)

it's resampling the audio, so the framerate becomes judder-free.

Since that effect does not occur with Vista, then what must be happening is that both the audio and the video are synchronized to a third timing source.

And since the audio is not resampled, it should sound a little closer to the original source.

[molitar]

Well I found a problem in version 396. If the xvid transform filter is checked than D.Grayman episode 70 has serious artifacting. Really bad artifacting.. I unchecked the xvid transform and did not have any artifacting.

[ACrowley]

Hi

I cant use Pan&Scan Mode ont HomeCinema builds ?
When i set it to Scale to 16:9 or other Modes i get a Blackscreen.
With all Renderers/Filter and Decoder

Works perfect with "standard" mpc Builds

[leeperry]

Since that effect does not occur with Vista, then what must be happening is that both the audio and the video are synchronized to a third timing source.

And since the audio is not resampled, it should sound a little closer to the original source.

chances are you were using directsound on XP before you switched to Vista, and its KMixer was resampling everything anyway :)

in "Excellent" mode, Reclock does a very good job.

you don't see judder because you don't look for it :)

start using Reclock for a while, then disable it......you'll suffer great pain :D

[molitar]

What is this Reclock your talking about?

[clsid]

Use the search ;)

http://reclock.free.fr/

[madshi]

@Casimir666, I have a wish for improved aspect ratio handling. It's really easy to add, I think. Let me explain: There seem to be two different ways to signal an aspect ratio via the mediatype information:

(1) VIDEOINFOHEADER2.dwPictAspectRatioX
(2) BITMAPINFOHEADER.biXPelsPerMeter

It seems that MPC HC supports both methods in several places - but not everywhere. E.g. if I check properties of the currently playing video clip, MPC HC shows the proper aspect ratio, regardless of which of the fields above are filled by the splitter. Also the "filter -> pin info" window shows the correct aspect ratio for both fields above.

However, the automatic Aspect Ratio logic seems to support (1) only. If I play a movie with a splitter which fills only (2) but not (1) then I have to manually choose the correct aspect ratio in MPC HC by using "Video Frame -> Override Aspect Ratio".

Now interestingly Haali's Media Splitter fills both (1) and (2) for MKV files with MPEG2 video. But it only fills (2) for MKV files with VC-1 video. As a result when playing a VC-1 MKV with MPC HC the aspect ratio doesn't work, although the aspect ratio is correctly set in the MKV and is correctly reported by Haali (but only through (2)).

Could you add support for automatic Aspect Ratio selection through the "BITMAPINFOHEADER.biXPelsPerMeter" fields if the "VIDEOINFOHEADER2.dwPictAspectRatioX" fields are not available (or not set), please? That would be great - thanks!

I'll also ask Haali to output both (1) and (2) for VC-1 MKVs, too, but Haali is rather slow in adding corrections, so it would be lovely if you could implement my suggestion. Furthermore there may also be other splitters which fill only (2) but not (1).

[foxyshadis]

They depend on vmr7 or vmr9(renderless) to show subtitles. By contrast, in kmplayer, the internal renderer "draw to image itself" works even at overlay mixer. Kmplayer also supports vmr7 or vmr9 mode. In a word, kmplayer internal subtitle renderer is much better than mpc because it is nothing to with the video hardware.

Then it's just a clone of VSFilter that resizes to full screen size first, with all the associated speed penalty. You want that, use VSFilter, very simple.

I wish kmplayer would contribute code back, even anonymously.

[leeperry]

actually I had delay problems with the built-in vobsub of MPC HC, using EVR and 20 buffers.

I'm using VSFilter, set delay to +200 ms, and it's perfect :)

KMPlayer has tons of features, but MPC HC is a lot less buggy....besides the main coder is AWOL and the official forum ops are very unfriendly..

[dooWohcysP]

Using latest MPC CSS patch (thanks Casimir666 for applying it :) ) I rewrote the web interface, you can find a (non-interactive) demo here (http://psychowood.altervista.org/MPCdemo/MPC.htm), and the complete UI attached.

You can choose which (and how) extensions to show just adding them between the <style> tags in browser.html, I usually hide all non-video files since I use the webUI to control my HTPC via WiFi.

[CruNcher]

@Casimir666
Is there no way to seperate the interface (OSD) from the Video in the Exclusive Mode?

http://s3.directupload.net/images/080218/s73dzpzi.png
http://s1.directupload.net/images/080218/btxsx8jy.png
http://s1.directupload.net/images/080218/cj9v3xap.png
http://s3.directupload.net/images/080218/53euupnr.png

I really love this mode and i wonder if it would be possible to create a complete interface (OSD) for it like a file Browser, with thumbnail previews and more ;)
and you could say if it's not possible todo that when the video stoped is even a good thing as it stays fully MediaCentric this way hehe ;)

Also look @ this the Remaining Time Display couses every pooling a jitter spike, so i think every (state change) pooling for example keeping the Slidebar live updated would couse jitter in the Main Video?

http://s3.directupload.net/images/080218/hrlfx42p.png

[cc979]

curious question about Vista and MPC_HC does it try using hardware acceleration, has vista removed that - i did read somewhere about it - if it has could be causing problems with some things like MPC_HC if it uses it

cheers

[LOGiC]

@all,

first of all, MPC Home Cinema is a brillant tool, thanks for that hard work on it Casimir. I really appreciate this.

I would like to ask you all something for what I did not find any solution up to now. I am using HTPC to play 1080p/24 from HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I got heavy tearing on most of the renderers as Haali and VMR9. Especially VMR9 is almost unuseable for me, it tears as crazy, even in D3D fullscreen mode. I am using ReClock, which gives good results for other material and using Overlay. Movies play very smooth with Overlay and Reclock, but I've read that VMR9 gives a bit of sharper picture. What I would like to know and asking for your help, I made EVR working in XP and I really like this renderers as it hardly tears, but when watching cropped material, the bars are unfortunately not black, just light grey to grey. This is annoying.

Is there any chance to fix this with any color corrections ?

Thank you all in advance for your help and sorry for asking that question in this thread.

Regards

[leeperry]

use regular EVR, disable "draw bars", go back to EVR C/A

[leeperry]

anyone using Reclock with MPC HC ?

I manage to get rock stable 24.000fps with Reclock resampling 23.976fps@24fps in 1280*768 48Hz.....but 24/72/96Hz are not stable at all.

in 1280*720 48Hz, it's oscilatting between 23.704fps and 23.797fps instead of 24.000fps, and any other combination like 25fps@50Hz or 30fps@60Hz will give an oscillating framerate as well.....and same goes for 1920*1080 24hz and 1280*1080 24Hz with 24fps in reclock :eek:

I think there's something fishy in the MPC HC rendering engine :(

I know some ppl with the same videocard and projector as mine using Reclock in 23.976@24fps with PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra in 1280*720 48Hz....and they get rock solid framerate :eek:

[Casimir666]

@Madshi
Are you sure biXPelsPerMeter should be used for A/R, that seems weird? I have generated an mkv using mkvmerge, with vc1 inside and set A/R to 4/3 in "format specifics option". With haali release 1.7.401.3 aspect ratio is correct :

Filter : Haali Media Splitter - CLSID : {55DA30FC-F16B-49FC-BAA5-AE59FC65F82D}

- Connected to:

CLSID: {94297043-BD82-4DFD-B0DE-8177739C6D20}
Filter: WMVideo Decoder DMO
Pin: in0

- Connection media type:

Video: WVC1 1280x720 (4:3)

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {31435657-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo2 {F72A76A0-EB0A-11D0-ACE4-0000C0CC16BA}
bFixedSizeSamples: 0
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 134

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(0,0)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(0,0)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 0

VIDEOINFOHEADER2:
dwInterlaceFlags: 0x00000000
dwCopyProtectFlags: 0x00000000
dwPictAspectRatioX: 1280
dwPictAspectRatioY: 960
dwControlFlags: 0x00000000
dwReserved2: 0x00000000

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 62
biWidth: 1280
biHeight: 720
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: WVC1
biSizeImage: 409764
biXPelsPerMeter: 4
biYPelsPerMeter: 3
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0


@CruNcher
Yes i know OSD generate jitter, and work fine only with renderless and evr custom renderer :-( Maybe one day i'll fine courage and time to rewrite it differently (menu, file browsing,...)

@cc979
DXVA works on Vista with EVR only, but i'm not sure your 6800 supports mpc-hc internal decoders...

[Schrade]

Does MPC-HC incorporate everything that's in clsid's patched MPC build? I mean...everything?

I'm just wondering if I switch between them will I come across something that's missing sometime down the line.

[madshi]

@Madshi
Are you sure biXPelsPerMeter should be used for A/R, that seems weird?
I'm not really sure. Right now I'm thouroughly confused... :confused:

I have generated an mkv using mkvmerge, with vc1 inside
How did you do that? mkvmerge cannot mux raw VC-1 streams! Did you use a WMV or AVI source? Please try this one:

http://madshi.net/strange.evo (1280x1080)

When muxing this with gdsmux, the Haali Media Splitter outputs only FORMAT_VideoInfo and not FORMAT_VideoInfo2. And biXPelsPerMeter is set to 1 and biYPelsPerMeter is set to 2, which doesn't make any sense to me. The MPC property window shows it as "32:9". So obviously MPC does use biXPelsPerMeter to figure out the aspect ratio for its property window somehow.

Now it gets funny: If I drop this MKV into mkvmerge, it reports display dimensions of 3840x1080. Does that make any sense to you? Strange enough MPC HC does show the video in the correct aspect ratio in this situation... :confused:

If I mux this to MKV by using my eac3to tool (eac3to does muxing by feeding the "Haali Matroska Muxer" DirectShow filter from my own splitter) I'm setting the display dimensions to 1920x1080. Dropping this MKV into mkvmerge shows the correct display dimensions. And the MPC property window correctly shows the aspect ratio of "16:9". But MPC doesn't show video in the correct aspect ratio. I have to manually switch to 16:9.

This is all extremely confusing to me. Maybe you can have a look at this? That would be great! If possible please check out the sample EVO. Please mux it by using gdsmux and also by using eac3to. And then please compare the aspect ratio stuff with both muxes. I don't understand how MPC behaves.

Thanks very much... :)

[Casimir666]

Does MPC-HC incorporate everything that's in clsid's patched MPC build? I mean...everything?

I'm just wondering if I switch between them will I come across something that's missing sometime down the line.

Yes mpc-hc should contain all clsid patches. If you find one missing just say and we'll add it:)