Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA!

[v0lt]

@Underground78 and other developers

Then it was:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing

Now it is:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing
- While Playing Video
:confused:

Can do better than three lines?
Еxample:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing Video

[namaiki]

- While Playing
- While Playing Video[/I]
:confused:

Can do better than three lines?


While Playing <- This means MPC-HC is always on top.
While Playing Video <- This means MPC-HC is only on top if a video is open in MPC-HC and it is playing.

[v0lt]

While Playing <- This means MPC-HC is always on top.
While Playing Video <- This means MPC-HC is only on top if a video is open in MPC-HC and it is playing.

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

[namaiki]

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

Feature request on the tracker:
http://mpc-hc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mpc-hc?view=revision&revision=3247

It doesn't really hurt anybody to just keep it there, unless there is a better way to implement.

Personally, I do use the video only on top mode.

[Underground78]

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

Some people might want to keep the player on top when playing audio files (for example if they want to see informations about the track) and not only for video files. I don't think having a 4 menu items really matters ...

[quasit]

Isn't native PCM support (MKV) gonna be fixed? I tried latest nightly and I still get same error as before, http://pastebin.com/WknqTs3P
Yes, it works using LAV splitter but then I can't change between subtitles (just enable/disable). I tried Haalii Media Splitter but then I get out of sync for PGS subtitles (MKV).

It says in the bug report that you should change audio render, it doesn't help. It also says some sound cards don't support PCM. So what supports it then? Some $200 sound card? Why can't a MPCHC splitter be added that supports PCM and doesn't have any subtitle issues like LAV and HMS?
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/665

[e-t172]

It also says some sound cards don't support PCM.

Nonsense. PCM is the standard audio format for all computer applications. A soundcard which doesn't support PCM is just a very expensive paperweight.

[LigH]

In general yes, but ... ;)

PCM = "Pulse Code Modulation" means: raw, uncompressed samples. But samples may be represented in many different formats, and not all formats need to be supported by all soundcards.

There are integer samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0001), where 16 bit is the most common and usual resolution, but 24 bit or 32 bit samples are possible too (let's forget about 8 bit). Video DVDs might even have 20 bit samples in a rather strange interleaving (not supported by WAV).

Furthermore there are floating point samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0003) in IEEE single or double precision format (32 or 64 bit).

IIRC, the "Microsoft Wave Mapper" was the special ACM "codec" of VfW to convert sample formats between WAV storage and sound card hardware support on-the-fly. DirectShow will have a similar special filter.

[v0lt]

Some people might want to keep the player on top when playing audio files (for example if they want to see informations about the track) and not only for video files.
I have not seen this features in any audio player. There's enough options "never" and "always".
Videoplayer should have one additional option. The second option is excess.

Now we have a bug with option Options...->Player->Other->Always in top :(

[clsid]

I also suggest to associate Ctrl+A with "while playing video" instead of "always". That is more useful imho.

[Underground78]

I have not seen this features in any audio player. There's enough options "never" and "always".
Videoplayer should have one additional option. The second option is excess.

Why only one ?! I can't understand your point ... However I agree with clsid suggestion and we will probably change the shortcut if everybody agrees. We can also change the order, if people prefers the new option to come first.

Now we have a bug with option Options...->Player->Other->Always in top :(

That's true, thanks for reporting it. (I personally tend to think that three states checkboxes are often not really clear and I had never noticed this one ...)

I can do that to fix the bug:

http://i.imgur.com/wiUZg.png

[fastplayer]

(I personally tend to think that three states checkboxes are often not really clear and I had never noticed this one ...)
+1
They are even less clear when there's no tooltip or any description whatsoever...
The dropdown menu makes more sense, especially if there are more than 3 choices to be made of. :)

[clsid]

I would suggest to just remove it from the options page. A drop down looks ugly there. I also do not see any need to have the same option in two places. Having it in the View menu is the natural place.

[Underground78]

I would suggest to just remove it from the options page. A drop down looks ugly there. I also do not see any need to have the same option in two places. Having it in the View menu is the natural place.

I am not against doing that too.

[v0lt]

I can do that to fix the bug:
If everything remains as it is, it is necessary to correct the settings dialog. The order of options not need to change.

Isn't native PCM support (MKV) gonna be fixed?
fixed in r3271

MPC-HomeCinema 1.5.2.3271 (x86) (http://www.mediafire.com/?xfgh33iws56bh)

[Underground78]

If everything remains as it is, it is necessary to correct the settings dialog. The order of options not need to change.

I don't think I change it, do I ? Or maybe we are not talking about the same thing ?

[v0lt]

@Underground78
Do anything or I will return back three options. :devil:

[Underground78]

I will do something but let us discuss that before doing anything ... The combobox fix was already ready when I posted the screenshot but as some people seem to think there is no need to have the options twice, I will need to ask Tetsuo and/or XhmikosR opinion about that.

[boyumeow]

...

Can do better than three lines?
Еxample:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing Video

How about
- Never
- While Playing
- While Playing Video

[tetsuo55]

What about this

Dropdown:
* Never
* Always
* Only during playback

Checkbox:
[] Do not apply "always on top" for audio files.

We could change that checkbox to "always on top during playback"

[clsid]

3 choices plus checkbox is more complex.

I don't see the whole problem with having 4 choices instead of 3. It is just nitpicking.

[TheElix]

- While Playing
- While Playing Video

Isn't self-explanatory at all. I agree with those who want to remove/rename this option.

[clsid]

Not self-explanatory? How more obvious does it need to be? Well, it could be renamed to "While playing audio or video" for those who are mentally retarded.

[tetsuo55]

The options are confusing for 2 reasons i think

1. Since MPC-HC is a video player, "while playing" and "while playing video" are exactly the same thing.

2. The alternative option "while playing video" is technically aimed at the niche group of users that use mpc-hc as their audio player. They want to have it on top for video, but not audio which makes sense.

If we want to keep 4 options will will have to make extremely clear what each option means, or alternatively we can seperate out this special audio users option into a checkbox.

[v0lt]

test build - mpc-hc_3282_ontop_n_a_wpv.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/?z8aqq31w7so5156)
(On top: Never, Always, While Playing Video)

[tetsuo55]

After discussing with underground i came up with this suggestion:


[]On Top
-[]Only while File is playing
-[]Disable when audio-only file is playing

It should catch all 4 usecases.

[nevcairiel]

IMHO, MPC-HC is a video player, and this feature is just bloating up the options for no good reason. I would just deny it. Just because someone asks for something doesn't mean you have to do it, you know.

[robpdotcom]

I use MPC for playing audio; I have quite a few BluRay audio discs that I have ripped to mka, so it's useful for bitstreaming/decoding DTS-HD (are there any audio players that can use LAVaudio or ffdshow?). But I still agree with Nev.

[TheElix]

I use MPC for playing audio; I have quite a few BluRay audio discs that I have ripped to mka, so it's useful for bitstreaming/decoding DTS-HD (are there any audio players that can use LAVaudio or ffdshow?). But I still agree with Nev.What about foobar? It can decode DVD-A images, dunno about blu-ray. Also supports ASIO/WASAPI/kernel streaming.

[xiulet]

mpc-hc_3268_dts_ac3_test1.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/?wveo5je94w57y8g)
DTSAC3Source:
+ Added support DTSWAV (DTS-CD)
+ Added search DTS and AC3 headers (skip garbage in the beginning)
+ Improved support for AC3 and E-AC3

hi, i try to play The Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 Hibrid SACD) that is a dtswav burn and get the tipical noise on mph hc(3280), with vlc an foobar ( with DTS decoder component) i get multi-ch pcm on my a/v receptor. Are testing the support DTSWAV (DTS-CD) or are full implemented right now ?

Only my h/k dvd player(s/pdif optical) was showing dts 5.1 from my receptor, but now is broken :(.

I am using hdmi1.3a cable both( ati 5850--> h/k 255).
thanks, adéu. :cool:

[Aleksoid1978]

hi, i try to play The Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 Hibrid SACD) that is a dtswav burn and get the tipical noise on mph hc(3280), with vlc an foobar ( with DTS decoder component) i get multi-ch pcm on my a/v receptor. Are testing the support DTSWAV (DTS-CD) or are full implemented right now ?

Only my h/k dvd player(s/pdif optical) was showing dts 5.1 from my receptor, but now is broken :(.

I am using hdmi1.3a cable both( ati 5850--> h/k 255).
thanks, adéu. :cool:

Upload one dtswav for test.

[xiulet]

this one :DTSWAV_test (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CZBQSV2K)

adéu :p

[v0lt]

this one :DTSWAV_test (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CZBQSV2K)
mpc-hc_3268_dts_ac3_test1.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/?wveo5je94w57y8g) - plays
MPC-HomeCinema 1.5.2.3283 (http://www.mediafire.com/?xfgh33iws56bh) - does not play

"Added search DTS and AC3 headers" feature not implemented yet, because it may work on some video files.

[xiulet]

mpc-hc_3268_dts_ac3_test1.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/?wveo5je94w57y8g) - plays
MPC-HomeCinema 1.5.2.3283 (http://www.mediafire.com/?xfgh33iws56bh) - does not play

"Added search DTS and AC3 headers" feature not implemented yet, because it may work on some video files.

yes i see mpc-hc_3268_dts_ac3_test1.7z play this individual file, but when using the menu option AUDIO CD, to play entire cd wavdts file from my combo player, it get the noise again.

thanks, adéu.

[v0lt]

but when using the menu option AUDIO CD, to play entire cd wavdts file from my combo player, it get the noise again.
What MPC-HC is to blame? :confused:

[xiulet]

What MPC-HC is to blame? :confused:

noo, i try tu help with this , my english is not good , may be you understand bad my commentary :(

i can upload the full cd audio for testing but i thing this should be illegal , isen't it?

No problem , using vlc or foobar200 it works.

adéu.

[v0lt]

DTSAC3Source filter does not work with the disk, it works with files (.dts, .wav, .dtswav).

CDDAReader filter works with the disk. I have not seen it.

[xiulet]

DTSAC3Source filter does not work with the disk, it works with files (.dts, .wav, .dtswav).

CDDAReader filter works with the disk. I have not seen it.

ok, then i will use any of other two programs, thanks

adéu.

[boyumeow]

After discussing with underground i came up with this suggestion:


[]On Top
-[]Only while File is playing
-[]Disable when audio-only file is playing

It should catch all 4 usecases.

Just on my point of view, I agree with v0lt to have 3 option rather than 4.

I personally using MPC-HC for video and audio.
In my case, [Always] is not needed when I'm not even using MPC-HC to play any video (cause I only have 1 screen).
I listen to music using my ears rather than using my eyes (sorry).

Thanks.

[Underground78]

If we really want to have only 3 options, we probably should rename "While Playing Video" to "While Playing" and add a new checkbox in the "Tweaks" page which would be enable by default to disable on top while playing for audio-only files.

(I won't be able to work on that before I can fix my computer, the SATA chip seems to be out of order.)

[KornX]

ive put in ticket 1452...
(to fill my 24GB)
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/1452
and i am willing to buy a beer or sth for the prob solver :)

KornX

[clsid]

If we really want to have only 3 options, we probably should rename "While Playing Video" to "While Playing" and add a new checkbox in the "Tweaks" page which would be enable by default to disable on top while playing for audio-only files.I still vote for 4 options. Putting checkboxes everywhere just sucks. Related options should be together as much as possible. You don't simplify things by making them complex.

Name the choices "While playing audio or video" and "While playing video". That should be clear for everyone.

[JarrettH]

Is there a proper way to setup mpc-hc so CUVID takes over DVDs? Whenever I've blocked the microsoft and mpc-hc ones, the mpc-hc non-dxva one takes priority or 'low merit' words appear beside it :thanks:

[nevcairiel]

LAV CUVID is not compatible with DVDs yet.

[TheElix]

I want to report a long-persisting bug. When you open MPC-HC in D3DFS mode any command you try to enter with a keyboard gets doubled. For example, if I press pause, it pauses and unpauses; if I press PgDn, it skips two chapters; if I press "s" to change subtitles, it skips one, and so on... The only way to fix this is to press the left mouse button on the screen as if making MPC-HC an active window. Please, fix it.

[Qaq]

I want to report a long-persisting bug. ...if I press pause, it pauses and unpauses
Same thing with me. I use JanWillem32's builds. Thanks for the mouse tip.

[TheElix]

Also, please make Direct3D+AutoChangeMonitorMode work for everyone if possible. It works for me only in JanWillem32's builds unless I jump to another file in which case resolution is reset to default and remains the same in the newly opened file. It only works if I open the file along with the player. As for others I hear it doesn't work for them at all. It's a shame because it's a really helpful function.

[boyumeow]

I still vote for 4 options. Putting checkboxes everywhere just sucks. Related options should be together as much as possible. You don't simplify things by making them complex.

Name the choices "While playing audio or video" and "While playing video". That should be clear for everyone.

I agree with clsid for not putting checkboxes everywhere.

In my case, "While playing audio and video" is as good as "Always", I don't see the need for always on top when we are not even using MPC-HC, that's why I vote for 3 options. While we could use the word "Always" for "While playing audio and video" only, unless I have misunderstood it.

Just to summarize, I agree with clsid: 4 options without extra checkboxes. Thanks.

p.s. I'm not rushing U, Underground78, just your PC :D.

[tetsuo55]

Agreed, lets do clsid's idea.

Always
Never
When playing video
When playing audio and video

[clsid]

I see there are attempts to update the FFmpeg code again. Maybe you guys should reconsider putting it in a DLL. That would save a lot of trouble getting it compatible with VS2010. Only compiling it with GCC will require much less custom code and the difference with ffdshow would be minimal.