multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

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@WildTexasChef

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[deank]

First (because you're testing) you could've used encoding profile Turbo or Insane to get the work done faster (although Turbo is a great profile and delivers good quality). 60+ hours is WAY too much.

Can you post your log, so I can see what is happening and what may cause the audio sync?

Dean

[Music Fan]

With AVC files, for an AVCHD burned on dvd, can we put chapters anywhere or has it to be on Keyframes ?

[deank]

You can put them wherever you want... It is another story if jumping to the chapter will make your player start at the exact frame. Usually it will, but it depends on the model/maker and how fast it will go back to find the IDR and decode to current jump.

***

Build 717:

* AAC channel remapping option in "Subtitles & Audio" tab - more about it here (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=499&start=20)
* multiAVCHD will try to perform pull-down with 29.970fps DVD sources when FFms2 is used for transcoding and get them to 23.976 to keep everything in sync.

Dean

[Music Fan]

Thanks for your response and your neverending work ! ;)

[deank]

* multiAVCHD will try to perform pull-down with 29.970fps DVD sources when FFms2 is used for transcoding and get them to 23.976 to keep everything in sync.

A quick note for a possible usage of this 'add-on' (besides the fact that it fixes audio sync with some DVD transcoded titles):

PAL users of Panasonic Viera TV, who may want to convert NTSC DVDs (or SD 720x480@29.970fps MPEG2 videos) to AVCHD will gain a lot, because during the transcoding process there will be no artifacts and image blurring when converting 29.970 to 25.000 fps.

multiAVCHD will transcode using force-film mode option of ffms2.dll and will get the source to 23.976 and then, while muxing - it will speed it up just a bit to 25.000.

I just gave it a try and the output is perfect.

Of course other output modes (when authored for PAL TV system) can take advantage of this option if [x] Apply PAL speedup for NTSC content option is ticked.

At the moment it works only when transcoding with [x] Use FFms2 option ticked and with 720x....@29.970fps video sources.

Dean

[Music Fan]

I don't know how this conversion (29,97 => 23,976 => 25 fps) works exactly with MultiAVCHD, but there is a solution wich allows to be sure that there will be no IVTC problem : it consists to remove the pulldown flag of the VOB with TSMuxer before the Pal speed-up.
For a movie on a Ntsc dvd that is divided in several VOB of 1 GB each, you can first transform them in 1 big VOB of the size of the whole movie (generally between 5 and 6 GB) with Dvd-shrink : untick "split VOB ..." in the preferences.

[deank]

multiAVCHD does not deal with the VOB files off of a DVD folder (VIDEO_TS).

Its approach is using "DVD titles" and titles do not correspond 1:1 with VOB files.

So a title is 1st extracted from the VOB files which contain it to elementary MPEG2 + elementary audio and then it is processed (either remuxed or transcoded).

Dean

[Music Fan]

Ok, so there is an IVTC.
And if I wanna proceed like I explained, will MultiAVCHD be able to open a MKV containing a mpeg-2 video in 23,976 fps (without pulldown flag) ?

[deank]

Why wouldn't it?

***

Just another quick update... There were few issues and I wonder why no one reported them as bugs:

* Fixed: adding external audio tracks for DVD imported titles wasn't working AT ALL
* Fixed: PAL/NTSC speedup/slowdown wasn't working for external audio tracks
* Added warnings (and skipping titles) if user imports DVD and uses Viera output without transcoding the title to AVC/H.264 (still VOB/MPEG2 files can be processed in SD_VIDEO mode)
* Fixed: all external and internal subtitles are removed when using Viera output modes, because Viera TV sets will gracefully :) reject the SDHC card if video has PGS streams
* Fixed: changing the option in transcode dropdown of transcode window caused multiAVCHD to loop endlessly and break with error
* May be some other things are fixed (or broken).. I can't remember right now :)

Dean

[Music Fan]

And do you believe that we can put 23,976 in 720*480 on an AVCHD and that it will be readable on a Pana BD35 ?

[deank]

I'm not really sure why you're asking these questions.

I don't own Panasonic blu-ray player, nor I own AVCHD capable Viera TV, so I can't test it for you.

Yes, I *know* that it will work. What would it take for you to do a test in few minutes and answer your question yourself? :)

[Music Fan]

Because I have a lot of things to do, so I ask it because you may know the answer and it avoids me to lose time.
And I believed that you had this player, but I probably confound with someone else.

[deank]

No, I only own Playstation3 and all the things I do for blu-ray players and avchd players and hd-dvd players and Viera TV players (with sdhc cards etc) are all shots in the dark (which usually hit the target).

I, too, have a lot of things to do - it is not like answering posts and programming multiAVCHD being my ultimate goal in life or all-day-round engagement. As a matter of fact - I rarely use multiAVCHD - may be once or twice a month.

Dean

[Music Fan]

I know that you are very busy and I regularly thank you for your work, but I really believed that you had this player, otherwise I wouldn't have asked it to you, and I know that you cannot try everything. ;)

[deank]

Yep :-)

Just give it a try when you have time and post back if there is a problem... Otherwise I can't fix anything :) Sometimes (like today) I try different things and find bugs, but it is time-consuming to do all the testing myself, that's why I appreciate user feedback and tests... After all, multiAVCHD is an application for you and all the people around which may like or need it... :)

[deank]

Few notes added in the first post:

Notes:

* Make sure you're using NTFS drives for TEMP and DESTINATION when processing larger files
* Make sure you have AviSynth, ffdshow and Haali Media Splitter installed
* Make sure you have enough free space in your TEMP and DESTINATION drives
* Always read carefully all messages in the LOG TAB - they'll help you to find the problem when you encounter one
* Really - just follow these notes!


Dean

[LowDead]

Ok, since the "Advanced subtitle processing" was kind of slow, in build 691:

* advanced processing of subtitles takes about 5 to 10 times less (about 5-10 mins for a full length video of ~2hrs)
* SSA/ASS subtitles will be parsed directly and will have all their features untouched
* you can now import MicroDVD text .SUB subtitles (cool!)

BDsup2sub and avs2bdnxml are updated to 3.6.9 and 1.7 respectively.

more to come: Advanced subtitles preview

Dean

Quick question: Does the advanced subtitle processing use embedded(if any) fonts or does it rely only on the settings of the "Subtitles and audio" menu?

/LD

[deank]

It uses the settings in Subtitles tab.

[LowDead]

It would be real nice if you could add that function (embedded fonts) :)

//LD

[deank]

I'm not sure if it is possible. I'm not aware of a way to make VSFilter.dll process external fonts (passed as files).

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Something I added in the last update (and fixed a typo :) printing NTSC instead of NTFS):


[14:55:38] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 11593.38 MiB (11.322 GiB) free space
[14:55:38] Temp folder [C:]: NTFS, 18747.56 MiB (18.308 GiB) free space
[14:55:38] Expected compilation size exceeds available free space!
[14:55:38] Required space: ~14622 MiB (14.279 GiB)

multiAVCHD will try to detect available free space on both Destination and Temp folder drives. Should one of both has less space than roughly required, it will issue a warning in the LOG and will pop-up a message for user to decide whether to continue or not.

Also a warning pop-up will be displayed if Destination or Temp drives are FAT32 formatted, but user has set MEDIA SPLIT to a value bigger than 4GB.
Destination or TEMP drive is FAT32 (4 GB restricted)! Reset split to 4000MiB?

p.s. Tool used for detection: %SYSTEMROOT%\System32\wbem\WMIC.exe, which is present in Windows XP, Vista and 7.

Dean

[Rodger]

Currently Rapidshare is once again out of free slots. :mad:

I had the luck to get one free slot after almost an hour !!!



For those who need multiAVCHD right now....I uploaded it for those of you:

Here is the link: LINK REMOVED

@ Dean: I have some webspace @ my ISP free....I could check if I could help you out....don´t know If I am to pay if traffic overcome a certain limit.
I´d have to ask for it.....but only if there is any interest.

[deank]

No, please do not post other links!

There is ALWAYS a current (latest) version of multiAVCHD @ videohelp.com:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/multiAVCHD

The owner of the site was kind enough to allow me to FTP the latest versions directly to videohelp, so please use it instead.

Dean

edit: If you can handle 360GB per month... yeah... If I could pay for such download traffic I would've used my server. Sadly - I can't.

edit2: Current/old users of multiAVHCD do not need to download the full package, unless there is a specific note in the LOG TAB or multiAVCHD.dat file update. Base .exe updates are handled by my servers and provide build-to-build updates.

[WildTexasChef]

First (because you're testing) you could've used encoding profile Turbo or Insane to get the work done faster (although Turbo is a great profile and delivers good quality). 60+ hours is WAY too much.

Can you post your log, so I can see what is happening and what may cause the audio sync?

Dean

I am assuming here... if I am wrong. My apologies, but that your replying to my post.

No multiAVCHD only took about 24 hours to process. Not bad. I can handle that. BD-Rebuilder is what is taking 3.5 days to finish processing. BTW as of this post, it is sitll processing. But I also think part of that is the computer. As that computer is a 1.8ghz Celeron processor with 2gb of memory.

I closed multiAVCHD waiting for reponse from the forums here... So I don't know how I can get the log back. Unless I run the program again. Which I am doing now. This time before I close I will save the log and post it in the forum. Figure that will be about 24 hours from the time of this post.

WTC

[deank]

A Celeron processor is not good enough for h.264 encoding (read slow!). You could've used master cut options in AUTHOR tab (or cut/trim start/end in "TITLE PROPERTIES") and encode just 10-20 minutes of your video just to see if it is all okay.

[Rodger]

Hi dean,

I didn´t use it for quite a while and had what seemed like a messed up installation, which DID NOT Update at all.
The dat file was out of date was told.

Only way to fix this seemed the full installation.
Which worked.

By the way the result DID NOT PLAY on my Pioneer BDP-LX52.
Will have to check what went wrong.


/EDIT: Just did a check....I have free traffic of 10GB:devil:
So won´t work ;)

But If you are planning on localizations I´d be happy to help you out for german language ;)

[WildTexasChef]

A Celeron processor is not good enough for h.264 encoding (read slow!). You could've used master cut options in AUTHOR tab (or cut/trim start/end in "TITLE PROPERTIES") and encode just 10-20 minutes of your video just to see if it is all okay.

The Celeron processor is the computer running BD-Rebuilder. The computer running multiAVCHD is a Duo 2 Quad.

That computer is still running the file as previously mentioned.

Now a THIRD comptuer I have. (Duo 2 Quad) is trying to process a Star Trek episode. It read the disc folder structure just fine and the playlist as well. So it figured out that episode 1 on this disc was a playlist of about 18 M2TS files. When I clicked on the play list and it brought up "Title #1" properties. The "Transcode" button which is the button on top of "preview" is grayed out. It won't let me click on it to choose my transcoding options.

It also won't let me remove any of the audio tracks. (There are 7 audio tracks as well as 9 Subtitle tracks. It won't let me remove any of them)

Whats up with that? How can I change the transcoding options?

WTC

[deank]

There is a button "Normal/Playlist" in Title Properties. Click it and you will 'unlock' advanced editing and transcoding.

[daberti]

Deank, DTSMA encoded files once put into a BD (classic menu)
with cue still are not allowed by my player (Panasonic BD60) to skip chapters.
I think I'll stick to 5.1 LPCM @24/48Khz, since the source is 41Khz and I don't think that going to 24/96 will improve the performances.

Said that I've many DD2.0 encoded DVDs.
Do you think that demuxing the audio stream to WAV and upmixing to 5.1 LPCM (leaving Khz as original) would lead to some performance improvements?
How could I remux via MultiAVCHD the resulting WAV audio with original video file (encoding the whole stuff to keep it AVCHD/Bluray compatible?
Last but not least: would it be enough performancewise to transcode DVDs using Turbo one pass at 2500kbps to ensure that no detail is lost compared to DVD source?

Thanks in advance, Dan

[deank]

I really don't know what is it with your player and these chapters. They should work, no matter the audio codec.

I'm not sure what you mean with the question about your DVD discs.

You can import a DVD and create blu-ray without transcoding the video and without touching the audio.

Should you decide to transcode it - yes TURBO with 2500 is more than enough. In fact ~1500-2000 is good enough for 720x... resolution.

You don't have to encode the audio from DD to WAV. If you decide to, then you can add WAVs as external audio tracks in "Title properties".

[daberti]

I really don't know what is it with your player and these chapters. They should work, no matter the audio codec.

I'm not sure what you mean with the question about your DVD discs.

You can import a DVD and create blu-ray without transcoding the video and without touching the audio.

Should you decide to transcode it - yes TURBO with 2500 is more than enough. In fact ~1500-2000 is good enough for 720x... resolution.

You don't have to encode the audio from DD to WAV. If you decide to, then you can add WAVs as external audio tracks in "Title properties".

I'll do some more "Audio BD" experimenting.

DVD: question.
Some example may be useful.
The Longest Day has a Dolby Digital 2.0 Italian audio track.
48Khz. Do you think that putting it as 5.1 24/48 LPCM would add something?

The remaining part of your reply is quite clear.

Thanks, Dan

[deank]

Any conversion (video or audio) leads to quality degradation. I see no point in converting DD to LPCM :)

[daberti]

Any conversion (video or audio) leads to quality degradation. I see no point in converting DD to LPCM :)

The point would be going from 2.0 channels to 5.1 .

[deank]

I believe your AMP will do a better job for 2.0 to 5.1... At least you have some surround presets which you can play with... You can't get real 5.1 off of 2 channels. :)

[daberti]

I believe your AMP will do a better job for 2.0 to 5.1... At least you have some surround presets which you can play with... You can't get real 5.1 off of 2 channels. :)

Got it :)
Thus I'll score a video degradation as well if transcoding, am I right? (even without resizing I mean)

[deank]

Yes, transcoding is never lossless. But you won't notice the difference, so don't worry. :)

[daberti]

Yes, transcoding is never lossless. But you won't notice the difference, so don't worry. :)

Thanks :)

[Music Fan]

Anyway it's not useful because the Dolby Digital is decompressed to PCM by your player (or your receiver), thus you would do with your pc what your player would do, and the quality is the same (it's easier to decode ac3 to PCM than encode PCM to ac3).
And the place that you save with the video (from mpeg-2 to AVC with a lower rate), you loose it with the sound.
A lot of work and time spent for nothing.;)

[daberti]

Anyway it's not useful because the Dolby Digital is decompressed to PCM by your player (or your receiver), thus you would do with your pc what your player would do, and the quality is the same (it's easier to decode ac3 to PCM than encode PCM to ac3).
And the place that you save with the video (from mpeg-2 to AVC with a lower rate), you loose it with the sound.
A lot of work and time spent for nothing.;)

Thanks. :)
Once again.

[Rodger]

By the way I found the problem!
Both Players (Pioneer BDP-LX52 AND Samsung BD-P2500) refuse to play streams with Profile 4.0 !!!

PATCHED the stream to Profile 4.1 and instandly it played fine ;)
but ONLY on Samsung. Pioneer still "Can´t Play". :(

[deank]

There is an option in AUTHOR tab [x] Force... level 4.1...

You can use it, at least for one of your players, although it is really strange that Pioneer still refuses to play the output. Did you try the '[x] Strict folder' option?

[WildTexasChef]

Ok I have given up on traying to transcode 1080p (progressive) VC-1 because pyTiVo can easily transfer those types of MKV's to my TiVo. I will worry about transcoding them to H.264 at a later time so that I can play them on my BD390. Kinda hoping that thier promise to support VC-1 MKV's will come sooner than later...

Now I am strictly working on Interlaced 1080i VC-1 files and finding a solution to convert those to H.264. As they won't play on a TiVo or BD390. Only my computer :(

Currently Torchwood, & Red Dwarf: Back to earth are all encoded using interlaced VC-1.

When trying to process an "extra" for Red Dwarf, that is in Interlaced VC-1 it never outputed anything. Empty AVCHD/Stream folder.

I tried in the setting tab checking "use FFMS2 instead of Directshow" and unchecking that same option as well.

Directshow does have VC-1 decoding/encoding set to WMV9
It also has h.264/AVC set to libavcodec

Audio is set to Core only (DTS-HD to DTS)

The log file is as follows:

WTC

[deank]

I can see where the problem is... I'll post back if I can find a solution.

[Rodger]

There is an option in AUTHOR tab [x] Force... level 4.1...

You can use it, at least for one of your players, although it is really strange that Pioneer still refuses to play the output. Did you try the '[x] Strict folder' option?

Thanks for your reply, but the problem lies "deeper" within.
Megui encoded material ONLY muxed via tsmuxer already doesn´t play at all. Even a clean Megui installation from scratch doesn´t change a thing.

Since I have older discs that play with the same software used but older versions. I have the feeling something became non AVCHD compliant.
Wheather it´s x264 itself or tsmuxer.
A AVCHD-ISO from Burosch I have plays perfectly fine on the same DVD-RW at the very first attempt. On the other hand it also is clear that Samsung BD-P2500 is not that exact as it played the discs the pioneer doesn´t like.

Here is a screenshot of Meguis Update (list of used components):
http://www.bilder-space.de/thumb/12.11uHqF6bFHE22fomj.jpg (http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=12.11uHqF6bFHE22fomj.jpg)

[deank]

Currently Torchwood, & Red Dwarf: Back to earth are all encoded using interlaced VC-1.

When trying to process an "extra" for Red Dwarf, that is in Interlaced VC-1 it never outputed anything. Empty AVCHD/Stream folder.

I tried in the setting tab checking "use FFMS2 instead of Directshow" and unchecking that same option as well.

WTC

Would you please update your multiAVCHD and give it another try with this VC-1 source (using [x] Use FFms2 option).

Start multiUPDATE.exe - it will manually update the main executable.

Dean

[Moksu]

Hello, does anybody know, why i can't get dvd-files (VIDEO_TS) to get working with this program, every time i start the process it just makes a empty file.

[deank]

:logfile: after you drag&drop VIDEO_TS folder to multiAVCHD.

[Moksu]

:logfile: after you drag&drop VIDEO_TS folder to multiAVCHD.

it seems like it made the file now, might have been the video_ts file was broken or something.

[SquallMX]

Small bug, MKV chapter times are cropped from "00:02:46.900" to "00:02:46".

:helpful:

[deank]

Thanks! I'll check it.