multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[Adub]

*face palm*

I don't know why I didn't think of that first one.

And that second one is a nice feature that you have added in the latest builds! Thanks for that!

[deank]

Well, after I got few failures, I decided it is time for such option :)

[Beatnut]

Hi dean, Ik have a question, alot of sony blu ray players only work with BD-RE if they are made with the sony program "Click to Disc", since it is a software issue then, is there a away you can implent something to make it work for those players? since the software, Click to disc is only available for sony Vaio computers, many thanks

beatnut

[deank]

That is definitely not true, because Sony players play multiAVCHD output. If it is related to the burning-part - I can't do anything.

[Adub]

This sounds like more of a burning issue than a conversion issue. What program are you using for your BD-RE burning? I recommend the free IMGBurn by LIGHTNING_UK!

[turbojet]

I was able to fix the detecting avisynth, ffdshow, haali problems I had by rebooting after removing/installing multiavchd. I'm able to encode now directly from a read only source, thanks.

I noticed that the first 30 or so minutes was spent moving the 35 GB m2ts file from read only to temp directory, is this necessary?

Also I chose to keep subs but they weren't kept in the DVD output, I remember in the past multiavchd had problems finding java.exe for bdsup2sub.jar on 64 bit systems, could this still be the issue?

This is what the log says:

[15:37:46] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[15:37:46] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[15:37:46] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[15:37:46] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[15:37:54] Retrying...
[15:48:35] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[15:48:35] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[15:48:36] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[15:48:36] Applying pulldown...
[15:56:39] Authoring DVD structure...
[16:00:48] SD-DVD muxing completed!

I agree BD -> DVD is excellent quality, better then the retail DVD of the same movie. I've been doing this for quite a while now but it's a tedious task, this makes it incredibly easier however I need the ability to keep english subs.

[deank]

My note few pages back (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1384148#post1384148)about SD-DVD and subtitles mentioned that only external subtitles are supported (and internal when using files as sources).

When using playlists/BDMV-structures you'll need to have your subtitles prepared before you start the compilation. Extract the SUP/PGS and add it as an external subtitle track. It will be properly resized to DVD resolution and will be present in the DVD. One subtitle track supported anyway.

Dean

p.s.

I noticed that the first 30 or so minutes was spent moving the 35 GB m2ts file from read only to temp directory, is this necessary?

1/ Yes, it is needed to create ONE file from a blu-ray playlist in case it is branched and more than 1 m2ts file needs to be reencoded. If it is a 1:1 full-movie = 1 m2ts you can load the m2ts file and not the playlist.

2/ SD-DVD is 1-week-old feature in multiAVCHD with a lot of restrictions. I'll try to add subtitle support for (internal) Blu-ray playlist subtitles and probably more than one audio/subtitle track per SD-DVD title and less-probably multi-title support for SD-DVD. I just need more time, that's it.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Since other means of communication with you (at least by me) continue to be unsuccessful, I'll simply post the following, unedited:

I see that you've now added conversion (of just about anything ;>}) to standard DVD.

Other than branching off into other Operating Systems, I for one, can't think of anything else you could conceivably add (But somehow, I'm sure you will anyway). Therefore, I want to suggest to you that the multiAVCHD "package" has become rather weighty - and, perhaps somewhat foreboding in appearance and operation to those who may have just come to discover this remarkably efficient yet complex tool.

My quick suggestion is to modify the interface so that it appears as a tabbed notebook or looseleaf binder, with each tab representing one of the primary functions - and clicking on a tab would "turn the pages" to the proper input pages supported, if necessary, by sub-tabs.

Your thoughts please?

[Adub]

Okay, my first guide for using multiAVCHD to encode from Blu-ray to DVD has been published! Check it out here: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/converting-bluray-sd-dvd-multiavchd


Edit: Okay, well, it seems like the third time was not the charm. I turned on the TrueHD/DTS-MA/HRA to option and the Convert DTS audio to AC3 option, and it appears that eac3to did not like that one bit.

Overall multiAVCHD log:
[01:20:16] Initialising...
[01:20:17] Checking for new version...
[01:20:17] You have the latest build.
[01:20:17] Consistency check finished!
[01:20:17] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[01:20:17] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[01:20:17] 263 people supported it with donations
[01:20:17] and you are the 1343850 one to launch the program...
[01:20:17] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[01:20:17] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]
[01:20:23] All multiAVCHD settings are replaced with project settings!

[01:20:23] Project name: multiAVCHD
[01:20:23] Project loaded: (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\ingtest3.mpf)
[01:20:23] Project created with build 741 (27/03/2010 00:49:32)

[01:21:01] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[01:21:02] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 95972.81 MiB (93.723 GiB) free space
[01:21:02] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 95972.81 MiB (93.723 GiB) free space

[01:21:02] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[01:21:02] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[01:21:02] Processing one title...
[01:21:03] Processing (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts)...
[01:21:03] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[01:21:03] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[01:21:03] *** Initiating video encoding:

[01:21:03] *** Original : 1920x1080
[01:21:03] *** Crop : 0
[01:21:03] *** Resize : 720x480
[01:21:03] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[01:21:03] *** Sharpen : 0
[01:21:03] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[01:21:03] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[01:21:03] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[01:21:03] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:09:03] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[01:27:22] *** Speed : 34.35 fps (elapsed: 00:06:19 - Realtime x 1.43)
[01:27:22] *** Transcoding successful!

[01:27:22] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[01:27:22] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[01:27:22] Converting DTS-HRA, DTS-MA audio to Dolby AC3 (eac3to), bitrate used: 384...
[01:27:32] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[01:27:32] Trying to demux it...
[01:38:08] Trying to convert DTS-HRA, DTS-MA again with eac3to, bitrate used: 384...
[01:38:12] All attempts failed. Will use original audio track!
[01:38:12] Encoding DTS audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[01:38:21] Retrying...


The following logs were produced:
-TrueHD / DTS-MA... option
eac3to v3.16
command line: "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts" 2: "c:\multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100327\00010.m2ts.t2.ac3" -resampleTo48000 -384 -r8brain
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 3 audio tracks, 5 subtitle tracks, 2:33:00, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 34 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
4: DTS, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
5: DTS, French, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
6: Subtitle (PGS), English
7: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
8: Subtitle (PGS), French
9: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
10: Subtitle (PGS), French
This video conversion is not supported. <ERROR>

This one was quite suspicious, as it looks as if multiAVCHD tried to have the video track converted to an AC3.

-Second attempt by multiAVCHD:
eac3to v3.16
command line: "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\00010.track_4352.dts" "c:\multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100327\00010.ac3" -resampleTo48000 -384
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DTS Master Audio, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information. <WARNING>
Extracting DTS core...
Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
Remapping channels...
Resampling to 48khz...
SSRC doesn't like these resampling parameters. <ERROR>
You can switch to r8brain instead by using the "-r8brain" option.
Aborted at file position 262144. <ERROR>



Last but not least, the following deadlock appeared to occur within eac3to:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3710/eac3tohang.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/eac3tohang.png/)
This was at the last resort tried by multiAVCHD and for some reason, as soon as it recognizes it needs a second pass, eac3to just stops working, with no detectable CPU usage.

[deank]

@deank

Since other means of communication with you (at least by me) continue to be unsuccessful, I'll simply post the following, unedited:

My quick suggestion is to modify the interface so that it appears as a tabbed notebook or looseleaf binder...

Your thoughts please?

I'm quite sure it can't be done with the tool I'm using (CalcIT - you can judge by its name it is an IT CALCULATOR :) ). Can you give me an example of an application, which uses such style?


Last but not least, the following deadlock appeared to occur within eac3to:

The last thing you can do is to check the option [x] Core only in AUDIO tab of title-properties.

***

Few fixes:

* Bitrate estimations for HD and SD DVD will take into account only the 1st audio track and will calculate proper estimation

* In case SD-DVD mux fails with muxman, the log is printed and pop-up will ask you to edit the job file (muxman.job) with notepad, fix what may be wrong and let multiAVCHD retry with these changes.

* Transcoding will show estimated time-of-the-day (HH:MM:SS) when it is supposed to finish...

[laserfan]

Okay, my first guide for using multiAVCHD to encode from Blu-ray to DVD has been published! Check it out here: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/converting-bluray-sd-dvd-multiavchd
Adub congrats, your tutorial is terrific, thanks!

I'm still confused though about handling subtitles:

1. Not sure what "hardsubbing" means, i.e. I thought that was when you encoded subtitles into the video itself (where they are part of the video and can't be turned on/off)? Could you explain in your tut.

2. Also deank has said that BD subs must be imported as "external" or some such. If you can clarify what that means (and how to pre-process BD subs if necessary) that would help me as I remain confused about this after several failed attempts.

Thanks again!

[deank]

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.

Dean

[laserfan]

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.Thanks Dean for explaining. I was sure I'd tried this (demux & add as external) and it didn't work, but I will try again later this weekend with the new + version that has the muxman log (that's where mine failed, zero bytes in .IFO file).

[deank]

I'm currently running an encode of my Ghost Rider Blu-ray disc. I demuxed the Bulgarian subtitles and added them as external. It worked 3 times already, but I'm trying it again.

I'll post the complete log later. It says it will finish in ~50 mins.

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_tr_bd_1.jpg

[daberti]

Deank, I'm trying encoding Bluray to SD-DVD using 9300kbps for video but the single pass encoder just keep on running at 8000kbps max :confused:

[deank]

There will be an update later today - I removed the limit. I doubt you'll be able to fit the output to a DVD disc with such high bitrate, but may be I'm wrong. It is much better to use 2-pass with HCenc!

The update later includes a 'feature' requested by a user: To TOP-ALIGN uncompliant videos while uncropping - in other words not to add 2 black bars at top and bottom, but one huge black bar at the bottom of the video.

Also multiAVCHD.log is being flushed more frequently for easier bug-reports.

There are few other changes, but not that important atm.

[daberti]

There will be an update later today - I removed the limit. I doubt you'll be able to fit the output to a DVD disc with such high bitrate, but may be I'm wrong. It is much better to use 2-pass with HCenc!



It will fit. bare 1h 30' with AC3 at 448.
HCenc simply takes too much time on my PC.

BTW: I noticed that you removed Trellis for 1pass encoding ;)

[setarip_old]

@deank Can you give me an example of an application, which uses such style?Yours would be the first ;>} (Actually, I have a vague recollection of seeing this as part of a word processing program for the Atari ST in the 1980s)

[deank]

It took 5 hours and 30 mins to convert Ghost Rider from Blu-ray to DVD.

I trimmed the title just at credits start (saved ~ 7 mins) to raise the average bitrate of the movie, removed all audio tracks but the English 5.1 AC3 one, removed all subtitles, added external .sup (demuxed before compilation start) and used 2-pass HCenc MPEG2 encoding. The result is ~90 mb smaller than the expected DVD5, but it suits me well.

I used main movie m2ts file, since the movie is not spread among multiple m2ts files and there was no need to use the mpls file.

[14:18:05] Initialising...
[14:18:05] Checking for new version...
[14:18:06] New version/build found!
[14:18:06] Latest web version is: 4.0 (build 741)
[14:18:06] Download from: http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiavchd.exe
[14:18:06] Consistency check finished!
[14:18:06] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[14:18:06] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[14:18:06] 263 people supported it with donations
[14:18:06] and you are the 1345360 one to launch the program...
[14:18:06] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[14:18:06] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[14:25:35] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[14:25:36] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 19774.18 MiB (19.311 GiB) free space
[14:25:36] Temp folder [C:]: NTFS, 14914.36 MiB (14.565 GiB) free space

[14:25:36] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[14:25:36] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[14:25:36] Processing one title...
[14:25:36] Processing (I:\GHOST_RIDER\BDMV\STREAM\00066.m2ts)...
[14:25:36] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[14:25:36] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[14:25:36] *** Initiating video encoding:

[14:25:36] *** Original : 1920x1080
[14:25:36] *** Crop : 0
[14:25:36] *** Resize : 720x480
[14:25:36] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[14:25:36] *** Sharpen : 0
[14:25:36] *** Bitrate : 4690 kbps
[14:25:36] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[14:25:36] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[14:25:36] *** Encoding : Two pass - content: [01:56:26] (MPEG-2 encoder: HCenc)
[18:45:05] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[18:56:34] *** Speed : 10.3 fps (elapsed: 04:30:54 - Realtime x 0.43)
[18:56:34] *** Transcoding successful!

[18:56:35] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[18:56:35] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[18:56:35] Encoding [AC3] audio to AC3...
[18:56:54] Retrying...
[19:32:53] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[19:32:53] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[19:32:53] Adding subtitles (Ghost Rider.bul.sup) (bul)
[19:32:53] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 01:56:26
[19:32:53] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[19:32:54] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[19:32:55] Converting C:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\Ghost Rider.bul.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:33:00] *** Imported subpictures: 961/961 at offset 0x
[19:33:00] Applying pulldown...
[19:41:22] Authoring DVD structure...
[19:56:27] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[19:56:32] SD-DVD title saved:
[19:56:32] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_GR_DVD\[DVD]\Ghost Rider

[19:56:34] Compilation contains 1 (HD)DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!


[19:56:35] Preparing menu pages...
[19:56:37] Setting main menu for 0 titles...
[19:56:37] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[19:56:43] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD/SD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 4375 MiB (4.272 GiB)

[19:56:43] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_GR_DVD folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[19:56:44] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[19:56:44] Compilation contains HD-DVD/SD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD]/[DVD] folder.
[19:56:44] Burn each HD-DVD/SD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS for HD-DVD) to a separate DVD disc.

[19:56:50] You may now remove temp folder (C:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\).

[19:56:50] multiAVCHD finished in 19870.253 seconds (05:31:10.253)!

[19:56:51] End of log.

[19:56:51] Cleaning up...
[19:56:51] Done!

[19:56:51] For technical support, bug reports and questions:

[19:56:52] http://multiforum.deanbg.com/
[19:56:52] http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/
[19:56:52] http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

[Adub]

Adub congrats, your tutorial is terrific, thanks!

I'm still confused though about handling subtitles:

1. Not sure what "hardsubbing" means, i.e. I thought that was when you encoded subtitles into the video itself (where they are part of the video and can't be turned on/off)? Could you explain in your tut.

2. Also deank has said that BD subs must be imported as "external" or some such. If you can clarify what that means (and how to pre-process BD subs if necessary) that would help me as I remain confused about this after several failed attempts.

Thanks again!

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.

Dean

I'll add this to the guide sometime today.

Plus, deank, did you notice how multiAVCHD was telling eac3to to encode the video track to AC3 in my last bug post? Is this fixed or do you need more information?

[Dolsen]

The update later includes a 'feature' requested by a user: To TOP-ALIGN uncompliant videos while uncropping - in other words not to add 2 black bars at top and bottom, but one huge black bar at the bottom of the video.

Hi,

Thanks for adding that uncrop feature in next update! :thanks:

I have been playing around alittle with the uncrop feature, and this is my conclusion:

If you have a PAL 720x576 4:3 video, that has black border up&down, and the picture area is 16:9 inside the 4:3 frame, then there is 72 black lines below and on top and the picture area is 720x432. If you want to convert that into PAL 720x576 16:9 video, and remove black borders, you should crop with "-72" above and below, to keep correct aspect ratio of final output and no wrong vertical stretching.

Is this conclusion correct?

If so, could you add "-72" in the list of available cropping?

Just another thing, in the resize list some resolutions are listed more then one time, and the list is not sorted from smallest size to largest size. Could this list be trimmed and sorted?


Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

Dean, did you notice how multiAVCHD was telling eac3to to encode the video track to AC3 in my last bug post? Is this fixed or do you need more information?

eac3to has a meaningless way of reporting track numbers... It uses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... just as order/numbers (probably ok for some mkv files) but completely useless when dealing with other files, where track numbers are PIDs. There is no easy way to ask eac3to to convert audio track with PID 0x1101 for example. That is what causes the error.

Hi,

Thanks for adding that uncrop feature in next update! :thanks:
Some resolutions are listed more then one time, and the list is not sorted from smallest size to largest size. Could this list be trimmed and sorted?

No, because the first 20 or something resolutions are computed using current video resolution. The other resolutions are hard-coded just in case user needs to resize to a specific resolution and the imported file is with a weird WxH.

[Dolsen]

If you have a PAL 720x576 4:3 video, that has black border up&down, and the picture area is 16:9 inside the 4:3 frame, then there is 72 black lines below and on top and the picture area is 720x432. If you want to convert that into PAL 720x576 16:9 video, and remove black borders, you should crop with "-72" above and below, to keep correct aspect ratio of final output and no wrong vertical stretching.

Is this conclusion correct? If so, could you add "-72" in the list of available cropping?

No, because the first 20 or something resolutions are computed using current video resolution. The other resolutions are hard-coded just in case user needs to resize to a specific resolution and the imported file is with a weird WxH.

Hi again,

Ah, I see. I thought it was all hardcoded resolutions. That's ok.

I must be tired, my above conclusion had errors... the 16:9 area insize a 720x576 4:3 frame is not 720x432 but 720x405, and that makes ~86 lines of black above and below, or...?

1024/576 = 1,77777778 aspect ratio
720/1,7777778 = 405 vertical lines
576 - 405 = 171 black vertical lines / 2 = ~86 black lines

Now I'm alittle confused, is the correct crop-value -72 or -86 to get a "perfect" 16:9 frame out of a 4:3 frame with 16:9 picture area?

Bye,
Dolsen

[Adub]

Dang it. I tried the encoding again using the Core only option:

[16:12:45] Initialising...
[16:12:45] Checking for new version...
[16:12:46] You have the latest build.
[16:12:46] Your multiAVCHD.exe was just updated!
[16:12:46] Consistency check finished!
[16:12:46] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:12:46] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:12:46] 264 people supported it with donations
[16:12:46] and you are the 1349700 one to launch the program...
[16:12:46] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[16:12:46] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]
[16:14:51] All multiAVCHD settings are replaced with project settings!

[16:14:51] Project name: multiAVCHD
[16:14:51] Project loaded: (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\ingtest3.mpf)
[16:14:51] Project created with build 741 (27/03/2010 02:06:20)

[16:16:39] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[16:16:40] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 95080.95 MiB (92.852 GiB) free space
[16:16:40] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 95080.95 MiB (92.852 GiB) free space

[16:16:40] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[16:16:40] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[16:16:40] Processing one title...
[16:16:40] Processing (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts)...
[16:16:40] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[16:16:40] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[16:16:40] *** Initiating video encoding:

[16:16:40] *** Original : 1920x1080
[16:16:40] *** Crop : 0
[16:16:40] *** Resize : 720x480
[16:16:40] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[16:16:40] *** Sharpen : 0
[16:16:40] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[16:16:40] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[16:16:40] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[16:16:40] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:02:23] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[16:18:09] *** Speed : 38.42 fps (elapsed: 00:01:29 - Realtime x 1.6)
[16:18:09] *** Transcoding successful!

[16:18:10] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[16:18:10] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[16:18:10] SD core will be extracted for track#4352 (und)
[16:18:10] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[16:18:22] Retrying...


And again eac3to just hangs after saying "Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary". The process manager shows no processor usage at all. I think this may be an eac3to problem, but I have never seen it mentioned before.

Edit: Okay, I'm retrying with the latest version of eac3to 3.18. Will report back.
Edit2: Nope, new version still stops about half way after detecting clipping.

[insaneoctane]

Make sure to install the version of HAALI which I posted here (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17) (direct link (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/haali_MatroskaSplitter_11-01-2009.exe)). Uninstall the version you have, then install this one and during the install make sure to check both [x] MPEG-TS and [x] MPEG-PS. I can see in your screenshot: Title properties (). This should not be blank and should be a valid filename.


Sorry to pester, but this didn't work. I uninstalled my version of HAALI and reinstalled yours making sure to check the "MPEG-TS" and "MPEG-PS" options, but I still get the exact same crash. The title no longer shows () like before (see below). I even tried a newer version of x264.exe just to troubleshoot, but same thing. It just crashes. Here is avs script that x264.exe is crashing on:

directshowsource("W:\MI-1\BDMV\STREAM\00003.MTS",audio=false,framecount=158540,fps=23.976, timeout=15000).trim(8621, 8622).LanczosResize(280,158).addborders(0,0,0,0,$40ff0000).ConvertToRGB24()
ImageWriter("D:\APPS\Video\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\.multiTH\", 1, 1, "jpg")
ConvertToYV12()

Most movie types seem to work fine, it's just this one V-MPEG2 that crashes...I don't know if it's related, but some movies of type V_MS/VFW/WVC1 fail to show a preview when I click on properties (see below). I can click on the window and it plays, but it refuses to show me a preview. Again, don't know if it's related but just trying to help troubleshoot the culprit.

Any advice you can give me would really help.

[crl2007]

This kinda errors are mostly codec related, not related to multiAVCHD. Uninstall all codecs and install only ffdshow + haali, the version posted by deank. The Avisynth errorr are mostly related to bad plugins. I see you have 2 commands that do not belong together in the same avs script: ConvertToRGB24 and ConvertToYV12.

[deank]

The script is okay and ConvertToRGB24 and ConvertToYV12 are both needed.

__________________


Dang it. I tried the encoding again using the Core only option:

And again eac3to just hangs after saying "Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary". The process manager shows no processor usage at all. I think this may be an eac3to problem, but I have never seen it mentioned before.

If you take a look at my log you'll notice that eac3to took almost 40 minutes. It was really slow but completed eventually. I'm using eac3to 3.16.

[deank]

Some additions:

If there are no external subtitles loaded for SD-DVD processing, multiAVCHD will extract the first (internal) PGS/SUP subtitle track (listed in Subtitles tab of title-properties) from a blu-ray playlist or m2ts file and will use it :)

[12:42:11] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[12:42:14] Demuxing subtitles...
[12:42:14] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[12:42:14] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100328\pgsdemux\00003.track_4608.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[12:42:15] *** Imported subpictures: 14/14
[12:42:15] Completed!
[12:42:15] Applying pulldown...
[12:42:16] Authoring DVD structure...
[12:42:17] SD-DVD muxing completed!

It will be available shortly as 742.

Dean

[deank]

Build 742:

* Fixed: when BDsup2sub fails to export PGC palette, multiAVCHD will generate one to be used by muxman for the SD DVD subtitles

* Added: multiAVCHD will use the internal subtitles from a blu-ray playlist, .m2ts, .ts, .mts if there are no external subtitles loaded. Subtitles will be extracted and resized to DVD resolution

* Added: "0 top-align" option in the "Crop T/B:" list box. It will TOP-ALIGN the uncropped video - one big black bar at the bottom, instead of 2 equal on both sides

Dean

[daberti]

Build 742:

* Fixed: when BDsup2sub fails to export PGC palette, multiAVCHD will generate one to be used by muxman for the SD DVD subtitles................Dean

Did you enable the >8000kbps encoding option for SD-DVD?

Thanks

[daberti]

Once again even when manually updated with multiUpdate, proggie keeps saying there's an updated 742 version.

[deank]

Yes, it is now restricted to 9800 max. And the update should be okay, too... "proggy", eh? ;) It is now 32204 lines of code... Sometimes hard to follow and fix things.

[claymic]

Hi Dean
as I've always wanted synopsis and information on movies multiavchd menu, I found a way to create backgrounds for the menus, containing all the information I need from the film.

thumbgen (http://thumbgen.blogspot.com/): program that will capture the data and pictures of the movie on the Internet, on sites like imdb, moviedb, amazon.com and many other. Its vary easy to use. We only need chosse the filme and the program will capture every thing about the movie in the net.

TvIxiE : program to create templates for thumbgen. Inside of the Thumbgen we can donwload the this program.
When Thumbgen get the data of the movie, we can automatically generate the background of the movie and save as jpeg, for use in multiavchd
So, with this programas, we can creat a background like this :
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/knowing.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/harrypotterenigaprincipe.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/chinatown.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/007quantumofsolace.jpg

I creat this template now, and i dont have much time for creat a better in this moment. I will creat others templates this week.
Links for this template : Multiavchd template for thumbgen (http://rapidshare.com/files/369140715/MultiavchdTemplate.rar) . if you download this file, extract to the folder templates tiviex.

[daberti]

Yes, it is now restricted to 9800 max. And the update should be okay, too... "proggy", eh? ;) It is now 32204 lines of code... Sometimes hard to follow and fix things.

Sorry SIR :)
My slang underestimated your BEAUTIFUL and DELIGHTFUL program :thanks:
Thanks indeed!

[peppies]

Can you guys explain why my video file is flagged as 1080i in MultiAVCHD when in fact it is a 1080p straight of my camcorder that records natively 1080p at 25fps?

I tried to Alter Detected Properties to PROGRESSIVE but the log still shows that file is seen as interlaced and the resulting video shows the interlacing lines clearly on faster moving scenes.

See the log:

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 25
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=25
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 384Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 14187 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 39 sec
===============================================================================


Playing the same media file in WMP doesn't show any traces of interlacing at all. I'm puzzled.

[Beatnut]

That is definitely not true, because Sony players play multiAVCHD output. If it is related to the burning-part - I can't do anything.

and

This sounds like more of a burning issue than a conversion issue. What program are you using for your BD-RE burning? I recommend the free IMGBurn by LIGHTNING_UK!


Yes, it is probably because of the burning part,

as far as i know, the sony bpd-s300 is only player BD-RE if it is burned with click to disc,

when i use IMGburn it doesnt read it, but when i burn the exact same data to a BD-R it plays just fine.

is there absolotely no way to find out what the difference is between the burn settings?

i mean, it could be that click to disc uses UDF 2.6 instead of 2.5
or ads a simple file to the disc, such as a simple sys file, jsut to let the player know it is burned with click to disc.


does anyone have this program:"click to disc v1.1 or higher" and is capable of burning a BD-RE and playing it succesfully on a Sony bpd-S300 ( i just realise how specific it is), but it would help me out a lot.

[deank]

Thanks indeed! :p Great tool for cool and clever users :)

Can you guys explain why my video file is flagged as 1080i in MultiAVCHD when in fact it is a 1080p straight of my camcorder that records natively 1080p at 25fps?

I'd say it is flagged as interlaced just because it is REALLY interlaced. Load your MTS files in another application and verify its properties. I'm quite sure you'll be disappointed when you find out your camcoder doesn't really encode in progressive but in interlaced format. Some camcoder manufacturers do a lot of tricks to make it LOOK like it is progressive, but surely it is not for the low and middle-end camcoders. 1080p requires a lot of processing power and most consumer camcoders don't do that. If you see these interlaced artifacts (lines) it means that your source is 100% interlaced. You'll never see such thing with progressive video. It doesn't matter what multiAVCHD or tsMuxeR does - these interlaced lines you see are just because the source is interlaced. They should not be visible when you play an authored BDMV or AVCHD on your TV. Don't be fooled by what you see when you plug your AV cables from the camcoder to the TV - it is not the same. Also don't rely on what you see on your computer screen. Your TV will display it better.


Yes, it is probably because of the burning part,


A lot of users do their tests with BD-RE media, so I'll suggest that you do a COMPLETE FULL FORMAT/ERASE of your BD-RE disc with ImgBurn and then try to write a compilation on it.

Dean

[Beatnut]

A lot of users do their tests with BD-RE media, so I'll suggest that you do a COMPLETE FULL FORMAT/ERASE of your BD-RE disc with ImgBurn and then try to write a compilation on it.

Dean


It are Sony BD-RE V2.1 , i bought them new and completely erased formatted and then on the completely empty new BD-RE, and then burn a compilation, the PS3 as well as the Sony BDP-s300 say the cant read it, the PS3 doesn't even show anything.


BD-R work on the PS3 and BDP-S300, so there shouldn't be something wrong with the compilation,

[deank]

Right... It seems you're not really paying attention to my post and I'm trying to help you. I asked you to do a COMPLETE format with ImgBurn and then to try again.

[Beatnut]

Right... It seems you're not really paying attention to my post and I'm trying to help you. I asked you to do a COMPLETE format with ImgBurn and then to try again.

Iam sorry i wasnt clear enough, i did the complete format when i first got the the BD-RE , i used ImgBurn for that, but ill try it again, i also found a site with specification of the

BDP-S300

This utility updates the BDP-S300 firmware to version
5.20
, and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version 4.90:

* Improves BD-Java compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.

Additional improvements over original firmware:

* Compatibility with BD-R/RE discs burned by the Click to Disc™ and Click to Disc™ Editor software included with some VAIO® computers
* Adds Dolby® TrueHD Audio and Dolby Digital Plus Audio decoding functionality.
* Compatibility with the newly released BD-R/RE format (BDMV).

So it probably is only a BDP-S300 issue where i have to live with.

[deank]

Can you post the contents of such BD-RE produced with your VAIO software. If there are some extra files/folders you may try to keep them on your HDD and later add them along with the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders.

I really have no idea what this VAIO software is all about.

Also - another good thing to try is to format one BD-RE disc in another computer and burn a compilation to it (on this same other computer, which is not a VAIO one :) )

[Beatnut]

Well that is the problem actually, I dont have a Vaio computer OR the Vaio software, it is Vaio only, the only thing to download are updates, the software itself is installed by the factory, that is what bothers me so much, because it is probably something small. well, ill do some more research and let you know if it possible to implement in MultiAVCHD to increase compatibility.

Thnx anyway

[peppies]

:p Great tool for cool and clever users :)



I'd say it is flagged as interlaced just because it is REALLY interlaced. Load your MTS files in another application and verify its properties. I'm quite sure you'll be disappointed when you find out your camcoder doesn't really encode in progressive but in interlaced format. Some camcoder manufacturers do a lot of tricks to make it LOOK like it is progressive, but surely it is not for the low and middle-end camcoders. 1080p requires a lot of processing power and most consumer camcoders don't do that. If you see these interlaced artifacts (lines) it means that your source is 100% interlaced. You'll never see such thing with progressive video. It doesn't matter what multiAVCHD or tsMuxeR does - these interlaced lines you see are just because the source is interlaced. They should not be visible when you play an authored BDMV or AVCHD on your TV. Don't be fooled by what you see when you plug your AV cables from the camcoder to the TV - it is not the same. Also don't rely on what you see on your computer screen. Your TV will display it better.

Dean

The source is NOT interlaced. When I'm playing a source file it shows absolutely no interlacing. As soon as it's run through MultiAVCHD and I play it either on a PC or TV the interlacing shows. It will show on TV because my TV is also full HD 1080p LCD screen. Worth to mention - no re-encoding has been done by MultiAVCHD.

The camera is a top of the line Canon's flagship consumer model that has just been released this month Canon HF S21. There is currently no better Canon consumer camcorder on the market. You can check the specs here (http://www.canon.com.au/en-AU/For-You/Digital-Video-Cameras/LEGRIA-Video-Cameras/HFS21). It records NATIVE Progressive 25P (PAL).

[deank]

Ok... I'll put it simple. No progressive source will show the interlaced effects (the scan lines / fields) you see. Neither multiAVCHD nor tsMuxeR can possibly alter your source to make it interlaced if it is progressive - it is SIMPLY not possible without re-encoding.

A possible 'problem' could be that Blu-ray does not support 25fps progressive. It supports 1920x1080@50i and it is possible that your TV switches to 1080i when playing the compilation.

There is not much I can do about it. Your camcoder produces non-compliant format (neither AVCHD nor Blu-ray compliant).

There are a lot of multiAVCHD users in PAL region (Poland for example) and non of them have such problems.

Or to put it even simplier: You have a cool top-of-the-line camcoder, which shoots in HD but is not AVCHD compliant, just like a lot of other HD camcoders.

1) What is the original output format that your camcoder produces?
2) What software is bundled with your camcoder to help you share your recordings with other people (like DVD or AVCHD or Blu-ray output)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying your camcoder is the bad link - quite the opposite - neither Blu-ray or AVCHD are top-of the line video standards. These are couple of years old standards and there are a lot of camcoders shooting video with higher-than-supported bitrates/framerates/levels...

There will be another revision of the Blu-ray standard soon which will hopefully cover the technology advance. It is just that you're a bit a head and it will make it a bit harder.

Dean

[peppies]

Thanks Dean for your answer. Will try to get more info on this.

[Adub]

If you take a look at my log you'll notice that eac3to took almost 40 minutes. It was really slow but completed eventually. I'm using eac3to 3.16.

Yeah, it may take a long time, but shouldn't it be using atleast some CPU usage?

I tried multiAVCHD on a different Blu-ray (The Dark Knight) and it worked 100%!

I'm going to try using meGUI's HD Stream Extractor to see if it is having the same problems. Will report back.

[deank]

Thank you, Adub!

My gratitude and thanks for what you are doing!

And more - about the guides you publish. I read a lot of guides and your are one of these I needed as a beginner!

Dean

[Atak_Snajpera]

There is currently no better Canon consumer camcorder on the market. You can check the specs here. It records NATIVE Progressive 25P (PAL).
You haven't seen sony hdr-550ve in action! Awesome low light performance + wide angle lense 30mm + awesome image stabilization + support for SD cards as well + manual settings + and so on... However it is not cheap. Still costs around 1100 euro :( This site has raw m2ts files (http://www.videoaktiv.de/Table/Testvideos/) You will see that all canon camcorders are terrible in low light conditions. Ugly blue noise and loss in details is unforgivable! Waste of money.

Or to put it even simplier: You have a cool top-of-the-line camcoder, which shoots in HD but is not AVCHD compliant, just like a lot of other HD camcoders.

AVCHD camcorders are AVCHD compliant! 25fps (PAL) and 29.97 (NTSC) is allowed in 1080p as well as in 720p (AVCHDlite).

[Adub]

Hmm, running the command line through eac3to by hand seemed to work just fine, but I didn't try it line for line like what multiAVCHD does. I'll try that next.

Oh, and by the time you read this I should have the guide updated as you requested.

[turbojet]

Internal subs from BD sources work now in 742 but I noticed only one was kept while there were 3 selected, I also notice this with audio. Any chance of removing this limitation?

Also is there any chance of multiple selection (shift/ctrl + click) for media pane and audio/subs panes?

[Adub]

Currently, only one audio and sub source are supported. Deank hinted that he will be working on expanding their support in the future.

As to multiple selections, what's wrong with just using the remove button on the once you don't want to keep?

[turbojet]

Say BD input has 50 titles, you only want to keep one. Currently you have to hit remove 49 times.

[Adub]

Or once and hold the "Enter" key.

Edit:

Okay, I've narrowed down the problem eac3to problem, and it appears to be with the "resampleTo48000" command. Once it finds clipping, eac3to just deadlocks, and sits there idly. I've reproduced this outside of multiAVCHD, so I'll let the author of eac3to know about it.

[deank]

Internal subs from BD sources work now in 742 but I noticed only one was kept while there were 3 selected, I also notice this with audio. Any chance of removing this limitation?

Also is there any chance of multiple selection (shift/ctrl + click) for media pane and audio/subs panes?

I'll add up-to 32 internal subtitles later today. Audio is another story and I'll need to think about it.

No, there is no ctrl/shit multi-selection option in the GUI designer I'm using for multiAVCHD. A lot of things are not available.

Currently, only one audio and sub source are supported. Deank hinted that he will be working on expanding their support in the future.

As to multiple selections, what's wrong with just using the remove button on the once you don't want to keep?

Say BD input has 50 titles, you only want to keep one. Currently you have to hit remove 49 times.

You can set the option in AUTHOR/Import: Do not import DVD tiltes and AVCHD/BD playlists if shorter than: [3600] seconds to skip all short features/trailers/warnings/etc.

[deank]

Here we go:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_DVDsubs.jpg

multiAVCHD now supports up to 32 subtitle tracks for SD-DVD output mode.

Few things you need to know when using subtitles:

* External subtitles are processed first and placed before the internal ones in the subtitle order. It means that if you add 32 external subtitles you'll get none of the internal ones.

* When using subtitles and 1-pass encoding, never set bitrate to the maximum of 9800. Using a lot of subtitle streams (more than 2) may cause overflows during the muxing phase and will cause all to fail.

* It is always better to process a Blu-ray playlist instead of its movie-m2ts file. This way you can use cut-start/cut-end and you'll see the language IDs of the audio/subtitle tracks.

More than one audio track support will come later this week if I find time for it.

Dean

p.s. You'll get all this in 742+ in few mins.

p.s.2 I forgot to mention that 32 subtitle tracks are not available with MKV, MP4, WMV and FLV fles, but only with blu-ray/avchd playlists, m2ts/mts, ts, mpeg/mpg files, DVD playlists, and elementary stream files: m2v, vc1 and 264.

[deank]

More than one audio track support will come later this week if I find time for it.

Sorry about that, guys, but it seems that later-this-week=later-today, so there will be another update this afternoon, since the support of max 8 (per DVD standard) audio tracks is ready :)

[deank]

Audio and subtitle functions are completely rewritten for SD-DVD output with Blu-ray/AVCHD, m2ts/mts, etc input, so:

* No more weird errors with eac3to, trying wrong tracks

* AC3, DTS, DTS Master/High-resolution audio, TrueHD, MP2/MPA, LPCM/WAV audio supported as internal audio for SD-DVD (plus AC3, DTS, LPCM/WAV, MP2/MPA, MP3 as external)

* Core extraction for internal HD audio tracks will be automatically performed (for Blu-ray/AVCHD playlsits)

* No audio conversion will be performed if the following criteria is met:
- audio is AC3
- bitrate is less or equal to the Non-HD audio bitrate value but not higher than 448kbps
- sampling rate is 48kHz

In such cases audio will be added as is (original).

* ffmpeg will be used as a backup route in case eac3to fails for some reason (like missing DTS decoders)

That's it... I hope I didn't brake anything in the other modules :) Please give it a try and let me know.

And a reminder again: too high video bitrates with too many audio/subtitle tracks may cause muxman to fail muxing the final DVD folder. In such cases at the error prompt to review muxman.job file, remove all unnecessary -s and -a lines.

With this update, multiAVCHD should support full SD-DVD (1 video, 8 audio tracks and 32 subtitle tracks plus chapters). The only thing left is the menu, but it is not a priority at the moment.

@Adub: I'll greatly appreciate if you re-try with that source you had eac3to failures with HD audio.

Dean

//

Here is a log of a direct import (no changes in title propertes) of Ghost Rider main movie playlist with only thing set CUT-END to 300 seconds:

[19:45:00] *** Scanning playlist (00065.mpls). Please wait...
[19:45:00] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[19:45:00] *** Detected main-path : [00:00:11.650]
[19:45:03] *** Detected media file: [00066.m2ts, 02:03:25.395] (31502 MiB)
[19:45:03] *** Playitem size exceeds split point of 4000 MiB (set in Author tab).
[19:45:03] *** Playlist marked for full processing mode. (split/join)
[19:45:03] *** Detected media file: [00087.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (9 MiB)
[19:45:03] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:00:11.650] [IGS]
[19:45:04] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:09:21.394;...
[19:45:04] *** Playlist duration : 02:03:25 (31511 MiB)

[19:47:07] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 742)
[19:47:07] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[19:47:07] Processing one title...
[19:47:07] Processing PLAYLIST (full mode) (split/join) (I:\GHOST_RIDER\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00065.mpls)...
[19:47:07] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[19:47:07] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[19:47:07] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
[19:47:08] SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
[19:47:08] Detected resolution: 1920x1080
[19:47:08] Detected video: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC (TID#4113)
[19:47:08] Only this video track will be used!
[19:47:08] Detected media file: 00066.m2ts
[19:47:08] Detected main PI#000: 00066.m2ts, Duration: [02:03:25.398], [PTS: 00:00:11.650 / 02:03:37.048]
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_AC3 (ID#4352 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_LPCM (ID#4353 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_AC3 (ID#4354 / language: hun / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_AC3 (ID#4355 / language: pol / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_AC3 (ID#4356 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using audio: A_AC3 (ID#4357 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: bul
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: hrv
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: hun
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4612:S_HDMV/PGS Language: pol
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4613:S_HDMV/PGS Language: ron
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4614:S_HDMV/PGS Language: slv
[19:47:08] Using subtitles: ID#4615:S_HDMV/PGS Language: tur
[19:47:08] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[19:47:55] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[19:47:55] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[19:47:55] *** Initiating video encoding:

[19:47:55] *** Original : 1920x1080
[19:47:55] *** Crop : 0
[19:47:55] *** Resize : 720x480
[19:47:55] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[19:47:55] *** Sharpen : 0
[19:47:55] *** Bitrate : 1779 kbps
[19:47:55] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[19:47:55] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[19:47:55] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:05:00] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[19:54:29] *** Speed : 18.28 fps (elapsed: 00:06:33 - Realtime x 0.76)
[19:54:29] *** Transcoding successful!

[19:54:30] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[19:54:30] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: bul
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: hrv
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: hun
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4612:S_HDMV/PGS Language: pol
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4613:S_HDMV/PGS Language: ron
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4614:S_HDMV/PGS Language: slv
[19:54:30] Detected subtitles: ID#4615:S_HDMV/PGS Language: tur
[19:54:30] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[19:54:30] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[19:54:30] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:05:00
[19:54:30] No audio tracks found!
[19:54:30] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[19:54:34] Demuxing 8 subtitle and 6 audio tracks...
[19:55:46] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[19:55:46] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4608.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:50] *** Imported subpictures: 32/32
[19:55:50] Completed!
[19:55:50] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4609.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:50] *** Imported subpictures: 34/34
[19:55:50] Completed!
[19:55:50] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4610.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:51] *** Imported subpictures: 33/33
[19:55:51] Completed!
[19:55:51] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4611.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:51] *** Imported subpictures: 32/32
[19:55:51] Completed!
[19:55:51] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4612.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:53] *** Imported subpictures: 33/33
[19:55:53] Completed!
[19:55:53] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4613.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:53] *** Imported subpictures: 35/35
[19:55:53] Completed!
[19:55:53] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4614.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:54] *** Imported subpictures: 33/33
[19:55:54] Completed!
[19:55:54] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4615.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:55:55] *** Imported subpictures: 32/32
[19:55:55] Completed!
[19:55:55] Processing 6 audio tracks...
[19:56:50] Audio processing completed!
[19:56:50] Applying pulldown...
[19:56:51] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[19:56:51] Title contains: 6 audio tracks and 8 subtitle tracks
[19:57:01] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[I]Too bad it is too late to name multiAVCHD with another name :)

[Emulgator]

Awesome !!!
If I only had enough time to test all this...
Many thanks, Dean.

[deank]

:) I tested as much as I can with the limited sources I have. More tests = more bugs :) so don't test it! :p

And thanks for the cheer-up and your comments about multiAVCHD @ other forums/sites!

[Capsbackup]

Too bad it is too late to name multiAVCHD with another name

It's getting longer, just like your programs capabilities, but multiAVCHD/DVD/ANY-VIDEO. :p
Excellent work!
You've become the "multi-talented" all-in-one "multi-media" video programmer!
A big :thanks: :)

[deank]

Thanks, Caps! Posts like the last one and this one (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1299925#post1299925) (of yours) kept me around, no matter what. It takes few 10x to melt down a cruel programmer's heart (very-evil-grin) :p

Dean

[turbojet]

Thanks for the quick update of the multiple audio and subtitles. Also for the tip about the 'importing less than X seconds' option.

[Adub]

@Adub: I'll greatly appreciate if you re-try with that source you had eac3to failures with HD audio.


Roger. However, I don't think it is entirely your programs fault that I was having problems (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1387004#post1387004) earlier. But I'll test and report back on my results as you have requested.

Edit:
HOLY MOLY! That was the fastest conversion I have ever seen! I edited to 100 frames (0 to 100) and transcoded. And BAM! DVD is created just dandy!

Well, almost. Apparently there was a problem with the subtitle conversion:
The funny thing is, I do have java installed. I can run the BDSup2Sub GUI just fine.
[20:49:36] Initialising...
[20:49:36] Checking for new version...
[20:49:36] You have the latest build.
[20:49:36] [28/03/2010] build 742 (latest is: 742) - Added Blu-ray playlist/m2ts/mts/ts internal subtitle support for SD-DVD output. Max DVD bitrate set to 9800. Added TOP-ALIGN uncrop option in Crop T/L listbox of transcode window.
[20:49:36] Your multiAVCHD.exe was just updated!
[20:49:36] Consistency check finished!
[20:49:36] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[20:49:36] 1 year and 93 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[20:49:36] 264 people supported it with donations
[20:49:36] and you are the 1366147 one to launch the program...
[20:49:36] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[20:49:36] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[20:51:35] MAKER/Equipment ID: BLU-RAY DISC, Publisher: [Deluxe Digital Studios]

[20:51:36] *** 1. ING BASTERDS
[20:51:36] *** Scanning playlist (00000.mpls). Please wait...
[20:51:36] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[20:51:36] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 02:32:59.628] [00:00:11.650]
[20:51:39] *** Detected media file: [00010.m2ts, 02:32:59.626] (35695 MiB)
[20:51:39] *** Playitem size exceeds split point of 4000 MiB (set in Author tab).
[20:51:39] *** Playlist marked for full processing mode. (split/join)
[20:51:39] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:01:50.610;00:07:06.384;00:21:20.821;00:24:12.826;00:28:15.902;00:30:18.942;00:37:57.108;00:41:47.922;00:48:28.405;00:53:53.563;01:00:50.438;01:04:05.341;01:09:24.702;01:12:17.166;01:19:25.927;01:32:54.777;01:37:02.233;01:43:51.475;01:45:38.040;01:50:30.623;01:57:35.089;02:03:38.452;02:10:30.072;02:16:40.859;02:23:10.748;02:25:47.280;02:29:30.961;02:32:59.378
[20:51:39] *** Playlist duration : 02:32:59 (35695 MiB)

....blah blah blah....

[20:54:46] *** Playlist skipped - too short!
[20:54:46] Added 1 AVCHD compatible folder(s).

[20:58:18] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[20:58:19] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 93780.95 MiB (91.583 GiB) free space
[20:58:19] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 93780.95 MiB (91.583 GiB) free space

[20:58:19] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 742)
[20:58:19] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[20:58:19] Processing one title...
[20:58:20] Processing PLAYLIST (full mode) (split/join) (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls)...
[20:58:20] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[20:58:20] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[20:58:20] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:01:40
[20:58:20] SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
[20:58:20] Detected resolution: 1920x1080
[20:58:20] Detected video: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC (TID#4113)
[20:58:20] Only this video track will be used!
[20:58:20] Detected media file: 00010.m2ts
[20:58:20] Detected main PI#000: 00010.m2ts, Duration: [02:32:59.628], [PTS: 00:00:11.650 / 02:33:11.279]
[20:58:20] Using audio: A_DTS (ID#4352 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[20:58:20] Using subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[20:58:20] Using subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[20:58:20] Using subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: fra
[20:58:21] Using subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[20:58:21] Using subtitles: ID#4612:S_HDMV/PGS Language: fra
[20:58:21] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[20:58:24] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[20:58:24] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[20:58:24] *** Initiating video encoding:

[20:58:24] *** Original : 1920x1080
[20:58:24] *** Crop : 0
[20:58:24] *** Resize : 720x480
[20:58:24] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[20:58:24] *** Sharpen : 0
[20:58:24] *** Bitrate : 3464 kbps
[20:58:24] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[20:58:24] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[20:58:24] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:01:40] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[20:59:26] *** Speed : 39.04 fps (elapsed: 00:01:01 - Realtime x 1.63)
[20:59:26] *** Transcoding successful!

[20:59:26] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[20:59:26] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[20:59:26] Detected subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[20:59:26] Detected subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[20:59:26] Detected subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: fra
[20:59:26] Detected subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[20:59:26] Detected subtitles: ID#4612:S_HDMV/PGS Language: fra
[20:59:26] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[20:59:26] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:01:40
[20:59:26] No audio tracks found!
[20:59:26] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[20:59:28] Demuxing 5 subtitle and 1 audio tracks...
[20:59:31] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[20:59:31] Converting c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4608.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[20:59:32] !!! Subtitles may be incomplete!
[20:59:32] !!! Error converting subtitles! (java?)
[20:59:32] Conversion failed!
[20:59:32] Converting c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4609.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[20:59:32] !!! Subtitles may be incomplete!
[20:59:32] !!! Error converting subtitles! (java?)
[20:59:32] Conversion failed!
[20:59:32] Converting c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4610.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[20:59:33] !!! Subtitles may be incomplete!
[20:59:33] !!! Error converting subtitles! (java?)
[20:59:33] Conversion failed!
[20:59:33] Converting c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4611.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[20:59:33] !!! Subtitles may be incomplete!
[20:59:33] !!! Error converting subtitles! (java?)
[20:59:33] Conversion failed!
[20:59:33] Converting c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\pgsdemux001\00000.track_4612.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[20:59:33] !!! Subtitles may be incomplete!
[20:59:33] !!! Error converting subtitles! (java?)
[20:59:33] Conversion failed!
[20:59:33] Processing 1 audio tracks...
[20:59:38] Audio processing completed!
[20:59:38] Applying pulldown...
[20:59:38] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[20:59:38] Title contains: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[20:59:39] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[20:59:39] SD-DVD title saved:
[20:59:39] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_INGTEST10\[DVD]\ING BASTERDS

[20:59:39] Compilation contains 1 (HD)DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

[20:59:39] Setting pop-up menu...
[20:59:39] *** Completed!

[20:59:39] Preparing menu pages...
[20:59:39] Setting main menu for 0 titles...
[20:59:39] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[20:59:48] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with DVD)
Name : INGTEST10
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD/SD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 47 MiB (0.046 GiB)

[20:59:48] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_INGTEST10 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[20:59:48] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[20:59:48] Compilation contains HD-DVD/SD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD]/[DVD] folder.
[20:59:48] Burn each HD-DVD/SD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS for HD-DVD) to a separate DVD disc.

[20:59:49] You may now remove temp folder (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\).

[20:59:49] multiAVCHD finished in 89.623 seconds (00:01:29.622)!

[20:59:49] End of log.

[Capsbackup]

deank, just tried a test using the latest build 742 with 11 .TS files of Planet Earth, for BD-25, with these settings: choosing motion menu and motion title thumbnail, inserting my backround video and audio, XMB Menu, skip welcome screen. Also, checked apply in/out fade for menu loop when using BG as is.
I notice on playback that the motion menu fades in and out and the menu audio plays, the main thumbnail button is playing, but there is no looping of the menu. From start, the menu plays for approx. 25-28 seconds but then goes to a black screen as does the main button thumbnail that was displaying motion. The audio, which is 1:37 long and repeats itself at 47 seconds, seems to continue and plays properly. The other 10 button thumbnails are also still visible at this time.
Should the motion menu continue/restart after it finishes its first loop? Maybe not seamlessly, but should it begin again and continue to loop until a selection is made?
I know this may sound funny, but I will admit to admiring this cool looking motion menu without selecting a button, just viewing the menu! :)

[deank]

Roger. However, I don't think it is entirely your programs fault that I was having problems (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1387004#post1387004) earlier. But I'll test and report back on my results as you have requested.

Edit:
HOLY MOLY! That was the fastest conversion I have ever seen! I edited to 100 frames (0 to 100) and transcoded. And BAM! DVD is created just dandy!

Well, almost. Apparently there was a problem with the subtitle conversion:

The error is caused by the CUT-END option and is not really an error. It is just that probably there are not any subtitles the first 100 seconds, or the interval is too short for tsMuxeR to decode a complete epoch. I'm usually using 300 seconds as a cut-end when I'm testing. I bet these errors won't show when you normally process your Blu-ray title. :)

deank, just tried a test using the latest build 742 with 11 .TS files of Planet Earth, for BD-25, with these settings: choosing motion menu and motion title thumbnail, inserting my backround video and audio, XMB Menu, skip welcome screen. Also, checked apply in/out fade for menu loop when using BG as is.

At the moment, motion background and title-thumb are restricted to 777 NTFS frames (~32.32 seconds). What you see is caused by the audio, which should be 32 seconds, too, but in your case it is much longer. The loop should happen after audio is out, then it should start again. Isn't it? :rolleyes:

//

Few small fixes in the latest build:

* Bitrate estimation for SD-DVD will take into account the 1st 8 audio tracks (was set to 1, causing wrong calculation when using more tracks)
* Clicking the donate or multiAVCHD buttons will open the webpage with your default browser and not IE
* Some error prompts are replaced with message box with single button (OK), not like it was until now (YES)/(NO)
* Subtitle processing for SD-DVD will skip demuxed SUP files if too small/broken
* Some other minor changes

[daberti]

Audio and subtitle functions are completely rewritten for SD-DVD output with Blu-ray/AVCHD, m2ts/mts, etc input, so:

* No more weird errors with eac3to, trying wrong tracks..........

I've encoded (1pass) Black Hawk Down bluray to SD-DVD.
I've choosen the LPCM audio track. On settings it is ticked the "LPCM->AC3" option.
Following the projected filesize based upon all above I had to set 6350 as video bitrate to make it fit into a DVD9.
At the end of encoding I had a 6685MB size instead.

Not sure if this is a bug, though.

Log....

[19.28.45] Initialising...
[19.28.45] Checking for new version...
[19.28.47] You have the latest build.
[19.28.47] [28/03/2010] build 742 (latest is: 742) - Added Blu-ray playlist/m2ts/mts/ts internal subtitle support for SD-DVD output. Max DVD bitrate set to 9800. Added TOP-ALIGN uncrop option in Crop T/L listbox of transcode window.
[19.28.47] Consistency check finished!
[19.28.47] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[19.28.47] 1 year and 93 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[19.28.47] 264 people supported it with donations
[19.28.47] and you are the 1363341 one to launch the program...
[19.28.47] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[19.28.47] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[19.29.09] MAKER/Equipment ID: BLU-RAY DISC, Publisher: []

[19.29.09] *** 1. Black Hawk Down [main movie ita]
[19.29.09] *** Scanning playlist (00000.mpls). Please wait...
[19.29.10] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[19.29.10] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 02:24:19.650] [00:10:00.000]
[19.29.13] *** Detected media file: [00000.m2ts, 02:24:19.650] (33819 MiB)
[19.29.13] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:05:00.000;00:10:00.000;00:15:00.000;00:20:00.000;00:25:00.000;00:30:00.000;00:35:00.000;00:40:00.000;00:45:00.000;00:50:00.000;00:55:00.000;01:00:00.000;01:05:00.000;01:10:00.000;01:15:00.000;01:20:00.000;01:25:00.000;01:30:00.000;01:35:00.000;01:40:00.000;01:45:00.000;01:50:00.000;01:55:00.000;02:00:00.000;02:05:00.000;02:10:00.000;02:15:00.000;02:20:00.000
[19.29.13] *** Playlist duration : 02:24:19 (33819 MiB)

[19.29.13] Added 1 AVCHD compatible folder(s).

[19.37.05] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[19.37.18] Destination [I:]: NTFS, 246900.66 MiB (241.114 GiB) free space
[19.37.18] Temp folder [C:]: NTFS, 51617.67 MiB (50.408 GiB) free space

[19.37.18] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 742)
[19.37.18] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[19.37.18] Processing one title...
[19.37.18] Existing I:\MultiAVCHD\AVCHD\AVCHD\ cannot be used as destination folder!
[19.37.18] Output will be written to: I:\MultiAVCHD\AVCHD\AVCHD-20100329-193718
[19.37.19] Processing PLAYLIST (full mode) (split/join) (I:\BluRay\Black Hawk Down\Black Hawk Down [main movie ita]\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls)...
[19.37.19] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[19.37.19] M2TS stream split set at 45000MiB...
[19.37.19] SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
[19.37.19] Detected resolution: 1920x1080
[19.37.19] Detected video: V_MPEG-2 (TID#4113)
[19.37.19] Only this video track will be used!
[19.37.19] Detected media file: 00000.m2ts
[19.37.19] Detected main PI#000: 00000.m2ts, Duration: [02:24:19.650], [PTS: 00:10:00.000 / 02:34:19.650]
[19.37.19] Using audio: A_LPCM (ID#4353 / language: ita / delay: 0)
[19.37.19] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[19.49.59] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[19.49.59] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[19.49.59] *** Initiating video encoding:

[19.49.59] *** Original : 1920x1080
[19.49.59] *** Crop : 0
[19.49.59] *** Resize : 720x480
[19.49.59] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[19.49.59] *** Sharpen : 0
[19.49.59] *** Bitrate : 6350 kbps
[19.49.59] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[19.49.59] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[19.49.59] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [02:24:19] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[22.47.26] *** Speed : 19.5 fps (elapsed: 02:57:27 - Realtime x 0.81)
[22.47.26] *** Transcoding successful!

[22.47.27] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[22.47.27] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[22.47.27] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[22.47.27] No audio tracks found!
[22.47.27] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[22.47.33] Applying pulldown...
[22.59.34] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[22.59.34] Title contains: 0 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[23.13.34] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[23.13.34] SD-DVD title saved:
[23.13.34] I:\MultiAVCHD\AVCHD\AVCHD-20100329-193718\[DVD]\Black Hawk Down [main movie ita]

[23.13.35] Compilation contains 1 (HD)DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!


[23.13.35] Preparing menu pages...
[23.13.36] Setting main menu for 0 titles...
[23.13.36] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[23.13.41] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD/SD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 6685 MiB (6.528 GiB)

[23.13.41] I:\MultiAVCHD\AVCHD\AVCHD-20100329-193718 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[23.13.41] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[23.13.41] Compilation contains HD-DVD/SD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD]/[DVD] folder.
[23.13.41] Burn each HD-DVD/SD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS for HD-DVD) to a separate DVD disc.

[23.13.43] You may now remove temp folder (C:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100329\).

[23.13.43] multiAVCHD finished in 12985.009 seconds (03:36:25.009)!

[23.13.43] End of log.

[zoner]

multiavchd is awsome and it can predict video encodes size but i dont think it can predict audio encodes, meaning, since LPCM is huge and AC3 is small you'll have to predict it yourself and add some bitrate to your video or ac3 encode. :)

example: you had your BD encoded to DVD on 4000kbs video and it originally had LPCM, so when your checked the LPCM to AC3 you saved around 1.5GB of space that your can use to give your video encode a boost!

[deank]

It is not completely true. multiAVCHD takes into account all audio tracks and their conversion settings (especially with SD-DVD output), so the calculated bitrate is proper.

There is something wrong and it is not the bitrate - I can't see the LPCM track to be demuxed in this log and at the end the SD-DVD doesn't contain any audio or subtitles. That's why it is 'undersized' because the audio is simply missing. If there was audio it would've been close to 8GB for DVD9.

// It is a bug: when there are no subtitles no audio is added :) I'll fix it in a minute.

// @daberti: It is fixed now. Sorry for so many failures at your end, but I simply couldn't test all possible scenarios. :(

[Capsbackup]

At the moment, motion background and title-thumb are restricted to 777 NTFS frames (~32.32 seconds). What you see is caused by the audio, which should be 32 seconds, too, but in your case it is much longer. The loop should happen after audio is out, then it should start again. Isn't it? :rolleyes:


No it did not start again. I can reduce the audio to the 32 seconds, and see if that will correct the looping from not starting again.
Thanks.

[deank]

I'll need to check on that, too.

//

Here is another cool feature with SD-DVDs.

You can now convert audio-titles to SD-DVD :)


[17:09:27] [DVD]: Title#1 "Lil Wayne - Lollipop - Audio Title" auto-configured for smart transcoding to DVD format (video bitrate: 4000 kbps).

[17:09:29] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 743)
[17:09:29] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[17:09:29] Processing one title...
[17:09:29] Preprocessing audio title (D:\Downloads\__TEST\Lil Wayne - Lollipop.[720x480-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3).
[17:09:29] Processing audio...
[17:09:29] Output bit depth: 16 bit
[17:09:29] Trying to detect title duration - please wait...
[17:09:29] Using duration: 299 seconds / [00:04:59]
[17:09:29] Using auto-generated chapter marks!
[17:09:29] Preparing audio title background (NTSC).
[17:09:30] Encoding...
[17:09:30] Selected encoding mode: 2 GOP
[17:09:44] Muxing...
[17:09:47] Completed!

[17:09:47] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[17:09:47] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[17:09:47] *** Initiating video encoding:

[17:09:47] *** Original : 720x480
[17:09:47] *** Crop : 0
[17:09:47] *** Resize : 720x480 (No change)
[17:09:47] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[17:09:47] *** Sharpen : 0
[17:09:47] *** Bitrate : 4000 kbps
[17:09:47] *** Frame rate: 23.976 (29.970)
[17:09:47] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[17:09:47] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:04:59] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[17:10:02] *** Speed : 473.28 fps (elapsed: 00:00:15 - Realtime x 19.74)
[17:10:03] *** Transcoding successful!

[17:10:03] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[17:10:03] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[17:10:03] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[17:10:03] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[17:10:03] Adding audio file (Lil Wayne - Lollipop.[720x480-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3)
[17:10:03] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[17:10:11] Demuxing 0 subtitle and 1 audio tracks...
[17:10:14] No subtitles demuxed!
[17:10:14] Processing 1 audio tracks...
[17:10:20] Audio processing completed!
[17:10:20] Applying pulldown...
[17:10:23] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[17:10:23] Title contains: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[17:10:27] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[17:10:27] SD-DVD title saved:
[17:10:27] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_AT44\[DVD]\Lil Wayne - Lollipop - Audio Title

[17:10:27] Compilation contains 1 (HD)DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

Compilation summary:
Format: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD/SD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 167 MiB (0.163 GiB)

[17:10:30] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_AT44 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!

[17:10:32] multiAVCHD finished in 62.977 seconds (00:01:02.977)!



It means that you can load your favorite DTS-MA/HRA or TRUE-HD album (or an album MP3/AC3/DTS/OGG/MP2/WAV/LPCM/MLP... etc :)) and create one AUDIO SD DVD.

That is in build 743.

Also, there is an option to choose HCenc 1-pass (VBR) in SETTINGS tab. It turns out it produces quite good results and is much faster (~2x) than 2-pass :)
Some other things fixed like (adding the 1st external subtitle track twice and a wrong log message about skipping a track, because it is too short)...
All okay now.

[Capsbackup]

deank, I can confirm that the looping menu works properly now that I have reduced the audio file to less than 32 seconds. Very nice!
Is there a need or advantage to keep the HDAVCTN folder that is created, or is the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders all that should be kept?

[deank]

HDAVCTN contains the thumbnail pictures for the menu creation. In case you don't plan to re-use the structure you can remove the folder. Otherwise it greatly speeds up the authoring of a menu if you re-create the compilation using this (and other) folders/files.

[Capsbackup]

Ok, good to know. So if I want to run this same project again with some minor changes, but with the same menu, where should this HDAVCTN folder be placed or how do I take advantage of the increased speed of authoring the menu? :confused:

[deank]

When you import a multiAVCHD compilation there are two things that speed up its re-processing:

* multiAVCHD.mpf - the project file. If it is present all rescanning/checking will be skipped, since the information is already available in the project file.

* HDAVCTN - if present, when creating the menu, title and chapter thumbnails will not be extracted and the process is a bit faster. Still, menu needs to be re-encoded.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

I save the project, and I have saved the .mpf to my source folder. This is what I "Load Project" with.
But where will I save or where is "present" this HDAVCTN folder? Where is multiAVCHD looking for the folder?
It is part of the compilation of the new BluRay, but if I want to run it again with some changes, do I need to transfer/copy this folder somewhere?

[deank]

The project you save with [Save project] button is to be used when you want to re-do the compilation from scratch with the original files.

The project that is auto-saved in the output folder is different and is used for fast-import of already created compilation.

HDAVCTN folder must be present when you import existing compilation to utilize the files in it.

[VincAlastor]

i won't to annoy you any more about the 32-sec-limit... sorry you realize many other great functions ...thanks again
one question: can i exchange the mx264.exe with the 32-bit x264.exe build 1510, because it seems to be fully blu ray compatible?

[deank]

I'll get to the 32second limit - just be patient.

No, don't touch mx264.exe. It creates compliant output, don't worry! If you want to experiment, replace x264.exe. Changing mx264.exe will cause all to fail with the menus, mark my words.

// Now thinking about it: you can't change mx264.exe... multiAVCHD will register the change and will not proceed :) at all.

[deank]

SD DVD audio discs output should now work properly. There were some extra conversions, which weren't necessary so the latest update got some optimizations.

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_SDDVD_AUDIO_TITLE.jpg

Also, it is now possible to open the [transcode] window for audio titles and select desired bitrate for video encoding (that is for SD-DVD output only), and thus using bitrate-estimation suggestions for better results.

My test was with a DTS HD (Master audio) album (~3GB) with desired output set to 700MB, and the final DVD folder was ~670MB which is acceptable.

[daberti]

Deank...please please please: I DON'T EVER want to see a SORRY from you again!!!
Period.

You're making so many efforts and you're so talented!!

Your program will be able to grow only as long as we donate money (I do know that develpment tools and time do cost) and cooperate with our own sources.

Respect to your work is deserved, at a bare minimum.

I strongly underline that from now on every post of mine will have to be read by everyone as cooperation :thanks:

EDIT:
I wonder how many out there have an idea about mantaining more than 32.000lines of code.
remming the code itself just to remind what code has been written to what extent.
dealing with a layer of OS that is painful just to remind with the service packs, update to service packs, multimedia API and so on.
When I'm talking about talent and respect, I'm thinking about hours spent documenting yourself about this and command line switches of external tools, and about their bugs to be addressed maybe avoiding the usage of some of their switches....

[deank]

:p It is fun adding features... It is the debugging/testing part which is not so pleasant and it is not about the donations (although it is kind of cool, too!)

There were a lot of updates today, so make sure you use multiUPDATE before you try anything.

Dean

I wonder how many out there have an idea about mantaining more than 32.000lines of code.

I'm thinking about hours spent documenting yourself about this and command line switches of external tools, and about their bugs to be addressed maybe avoiding the usage of some of their switches....

Well all the free tools, which multiAVCHD uses are from talented guys/gals and without them multiAVCHD would simply be another tool (although a lot of things are done without external apps), yet each tool has its benefits and bugs - that's what multiAVCHD does - try all possible things (those you'd manually do for fail-rety-fail-retry). :)

[Adub]

Also, there is an option to choose HCenc 1-pass (VBR) in SETTINGS tab. It turns out it produces quite good results and is much faster (~2x) than 2-pass :)


NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!

Oh, and as to the subtitles thing, what you said makes sense. The first 100 frames was purely credits and introductions, with no talking, so I can understand the subtitle problems.

Will test when I get home! Thanks again Deank!

[deank]

We'll get there... :rolleyes:

I hope all will go smooth this time :) Just make sure you have the latest build (which is timestamped 22:01 EET).

Dean

// The first 100 frames was purely credits...

The value in title-properties is in seconds and I hope actors didn't get to the talking part at least for the first 1 min and 40 secs. :)

[Adub]

The value in title-properties is in seconds and I hope actors didn't get to the talking part at least for the first 1 min and 40 secs. :)

Ah, I suppose that makes sense. I'm used to my cutting programs being in frames, but seconds makes more sense here.

P.S. I have updated the guide to reflect the fact that we now support multiple audio/subtitle tracks. I plan on tweaking it a bit more once I find some time, but it should be pretty good now.

[daberti]

There were a lot of updates today, so make sure you use multiUPDATE before you try anything.

Dean


My last problem looks like being solved :thanks:

[deank]

Ah, I suppose that makes sense. I'm used to my cutting programs being in frames, but seconds makes more sense here.

P.S. I have updated the guide to reflect the fact that we now support multiple audio/subtitle tracks. I plan on tweaking it a bit more once I find some time, but it should be pretty good now.

Thank you for the guide you set. I took the liberty to add it at videohelp (http://www.videohelp.com/guides/converting-blu-ray-to-standard-dvd-using-multiavchd-id1174#1174). I hope you don't mind. :rolleyes:

My last problem looks like being solved :thanks:

:) And a lot of other problems with SD-DVD should be gone, too.

[Adub]

Ah, so it was YOU who did that! I was surprised, because I normally do it myself, but I saw that someone had already beaten me to the punch.

Its no worries, Dean. Thanks for doing some of my work for me. ;)

[setarip_old]

@deank

In light of the fact that you have so many areas devoted to menu-related functions, for the sake of those who are either new to or infrequent users of multiAVCHD, perhaps you can put a big button on the initial leftside "page" labelled "Make Menus On/Off" - and if "Off" is selected, ALL related items on the "AUTHOR" and "MENU" tabs would be greyed-out.

This would eliminate doubt as to what has to or doesn't have to be addressed by the user (depending on what the user is attempting to accomplish).

[BZeeme]

There were a lot of updates today, so make sure you use multiUPDATE before you try anything.


Just curious, what is the difference between the update when multiAVCHD is run and the update using multiUPDATE?

[deank]

There is no difference, but when the build number is not changed and the .exe size of the new build is the same, multiAVCHD may not self-update. Using multiUPDATE just downloads the build off my site, unpacks it and starts it, no matter what your current version is.

[shearer69]

newbie to program, Any reason why user user menu style is greyed out and cant select custom

[deank]

Important update:

* Full download of multiAVCHD 4.0 now includes 32bit and 64bit versions of x264.exe r1510. (http://x264.fushizen.eu/)

* For compatibility reasons with HD-DVD output I'm keeping an older copy in tools folder (named hx264.exe) along with mx264.exe (which is used for encoding the menu pages).

* The number of playitems in each menu-page playlist is decreased from 500 to 98.

* A typo was preventing 1-pass VBR with HCenc - fixed now.

Dean

// @shearer69: Because it is just a label. Custom menus with templates are available for some time now.

***

I just accidentally deleted my Null-soft installer script :( Still the latest full-download which I uploaded is okay (without the fix for 1pass vbr with hcenc). You can update with multiUPDATE once you download the whole thing.

[shearer69]

Important update:

* Full download of multiAVCHD 4.0 now includes 32bit and 64bit versions of x264.exe r1510.

* For compatibility reasons with HD-DVD output I'm keeping an older copy in tools folder (named hx264.exe) along with mx264.exe (which is used for encoding the menu pages).

* The number of playitems in each menu-page playlist is decreased from 500 to 98.

* A typo was preventing 1-pass VBR with HCenc - fixed now.

Dean

// @shearer69: Because it is just a label. Custom menus with templates are available for some time now.

***

I just accidentally deleted my Null-soft installer script :( Still the latest full-download which I uploaded is okay (without the fix for 1pass vbr with hcenc). You can update with multiUPDATE once you download the whole thing.

So how do I select one of the custom menus included such as Hitech or kids by drelin

[deank]

Open [properties] for a title. There is a button: [more] next to Menu page:... There you have [Load template].

[shearer69]

Open [properties] for a title. There is a button: [more] next to Menu page:... There you have [Load template].

Thanks got it now, original guide I read quoted ticking user style

[shearer69]

Is there a way to use an own avi as welcome screen/ menu

[deank]

No.

Please visit http://multiFORUM.deanbg.com/ for more info and questions.

[deank]

I just accidentally deleted my Null-soft installer script :( Still the latest full-download which I uploaded is okay (without the fix for 1pass vbr with hcenc). You can update with multiUPDATE once you download the whole thing.

Ok, I rewrote it and uploaded the proper full-version with all fixes. It is a bit larger than the one from yesterday, because of 2x7mb x264 32bit+64bit (~36MB total).


* The number of playitems in each menu-page playlist is decreased from 500 to 98.

Also playitem count is decreased to 56 (~30 mins of menu looping - it was ~5 hours before). I'm trying to figure out what causes crashes and problems with some players with version 4.0 menus - especially with some samsungs and panasonics. I'll appreciate feedback from users with such players, using AVCHD relaxed or Blu-ray output from multiAVCHD.

Dean

[claymic]

Hi Dean.
If i have a blu-ray and i inset them in multiavchd. can I insert external subtitle like .srt ? If i want remove everything, less the audio english and movie, can I ? Do you can put in the option the possibility to gerate a .iso of this blu ? I brougth a wdtv live, and it can ready .iso of blu-ray.
Thanks mans. I can not test this yet, because i dont have backup my blu-ray disc yet and my wdtv dont arrived.
Clayton

[daberti]

Stupid question: I encoded Black Hawk Down from Bluray to SD-DVD (1pass VBR at 6300kbps) and I scored a 7096MB output against 7996MB that were predicted.
Should I consider this as:
1)Ceteribus paribus 6300kbps is just overkill (in this case) as average achieved bitrate is fairly lower?
2)Final output dimension prediction for SD-DVD with 1pass vbr needs to be improved?

:Thanks:

EDIT: I remember form times of AutoGk that a test could be done about the compressibility of a video (better, a part of it taken as a test) given a bitrate/final dimension...do you think that the same could be done here?

[deank]

It is both for AVC/H.264 (with x264) and MPEG-2 (with HCenc). Sometimes it is not possible to use the higher bitrate you set, just because it is not needed.

It depends on each source, but in a lot of cases these great encoders manage to encode your video to lower size (especially with VBR or 2-pass processing).

Was 7996MB predicted as overall size (using BITRATE ESTIMATION in [TRANSCODE])? What was the original audio? 1-pass VBR with HCenc got a fix today, did you use the build from yesterday? (because it was a 2-pass processing). Before you go to the transcode window and to bitrate estimations, always make sure to set the Non-HD audio... setting. It is used for the estimation. The ESA: lines in media tab are not correct when working with SD-DVD (showing 5-10% more).

You can use this bitrate calculator (http://www.videohelp.com/calc) for DVD bitrates.... Still multiAVCHD gets closer to its results. Most fancy calculators work with: 1 video + 1 audio tracks... multiAVCHD tries to work with 1 video + all subtitles + all audio tracks (both for Blu-ray/AVCHD and SD-DVD... and in fact with HD-DVD). Hard to score 100% but it is something. All of my tests got 90%-98% correct estimation and I'm fine with it, as long as I never had an oversize.

Important thing to mention is that getting smaller size doesn't mean that the encode is not good, but quite the opposite - it means that the encoder didn't need more bitrate to encode the source and applied as less compression as possible to use the bitrate set in full.

It is like trying to encode 30mins to fit 4GB DVD. No matter how high you set the bitrate you'll end up with 2.1GB file :) with great quality (that is if using CBR 9800kbps).

[deank]

Hi Dean.
If i have a blu-ray and i inset them in multiavchd. can I insert external subtitle like .srt ? If i want remove everything, less the audio english and movie, can I ? Do you can put in the option the possibility to gerate a .iso of this blu ? I brougth a wdtv live, and it can ready .iso of blu-ray.

multiAVCHD already supports ISO output if you have ImgBurn installed and select the proper option in SETTINGS.

You can add/remove audio/subtitle tracks, too, so don't worry. Give it a try once you get your hands on the WDTV and post the results.

[daberti]

It is both for AVC/H.264 (with x264) and MPEG-2 (with HCenc). Sometimes it is not possible to use the higher bitrate you set, just because it is not needed.

It depends on each source, but in a lot of cases these great encoders manage to encode your video to lower size (especially with VBR or 2-pass processing).

Was 7996MB predicted as overall size (using BITRATE ESTIMATION in [TRANSCODE])? What was the original audio? 1-pass VBR with HCenc got a fix today, did you use the build from yesterday? (because it was a 2-pass processing). Before you go to the transcode window and to bitrate estimations, always make sure to set the Non-HD audio... setting. It is used for the estimation. The ESA: lines in media tab are not correct when working with SD-DVD (showing 5-10% more).

You can use this bitrate calculator (http://www.videohelp.com/calc) for DVD bitrates.... Still multiAVCHD gets closer to its results. Most fancy calculators work with: 1 video + 1 audio tracks... multiAVCHD tries to work with 1 video + all subtitles + all audio tracks (both for Blu-ray/AVCHD and SD-DVD... and in fact with HD-DVD). Hard to score 100% but it is something. All of my tests got 90%-98% correct estimation and I'm fine with it, as long as I never had an oversize.

Important thing to mention is that getting smaller size doesn't mean that the encode is not good, but quite the opposite - it means that the encoder didn't need more bitrate to encode the source and applied as less compression as possible to use the bitrate set in full.

I used latest build available at 13:00GMT.

yes, audio settings are set per your guidelines.
Original (bluray) audio track was LPCM.
BTW: something i'd have liked to talk about since a long time.
The audio setting are into general settings. thus they're common to a whole compilation. But not necessarily all movies into a compilation would share the same audio asset: ie one movie could be encoded with HD audio, another one with the original HD audio converted to AC3 =< than 448 and so on.
If I'm not wrong this is not possible now. But if these audio settings could be moved to the transcode window, the game could be played. What is your thought about this?

Anyway you gave me the answer. I.e.: if I set a bitrate and the resulting mean bitrate is lower, it means that the video stuff can fit into a lower bitrate than the one I set.

[Sounddude]

For some reason the option to do an SD-DVD is greyed out. I have the latest version. Where should Quenc and HCenc be located?

[deank]

You need the full download. The button is grayed-out because you're missing one of the tools for SD-DVD processing (dgpulldown/muxman)

[deank]

If I'm not wrong this is not possible now. But if these audio settings could be moved to the transcode window, the game could be played. What is your thought about this?

This is one of the left-overs since the initial release of multiAVCHD when there was no way to alter anything per title, there was no title-properties or anything. All settings for all titles.

I'll try to find some time to do it better + some GUI optimization + the language translation.

[daberti]

This is one of the left-overs since the initial release of multiAVCHD when there was no way to alter anything per title, there was no title-properties or anything. All settings for all titles.

I'll try to find some time to do it better + some GUI optimization + the language translation.

Maybe some work could be avoid keeping the things as they are, but inserting a flag into transcode window like "Override general audio settings" and allowing proper decisions to be made. Just an idea though.

[claymic]

Very thanks Dean
I will try. My only concern is how i will do the sync of the subtitle .srt. I thought of temporarily place the movie file to mkv using mkvmerge and so I could synchronize the .srt , what i want to insert. Is this possible? I can insert the some audio extract for dvd too. I can do that ? mux in mkv file without a problem ?
Realy thanks Dean. I will try evering thing this. The WDTV arrive in next week.
Clayton

[Adub]

@claymic
All you need to sync a subtitle is an audio track. I have played around with Aegisub on a number of occasions, and it's versatility and power is great for any sub syncing issues.

If you are going about syncing a sub to a source, I suggest that you extract the audio that you want to sub from your source, load it into something like Aegisub or VisualSubSync and synchronize. Then save, and load into multiAVCHD for muxing/encoding.

@deank, I know that you have hardsubbing options in the title's Transcode window, but does it only support external subs? Or has internal sub support been added?

[AJ500]

I'm using multiAVCHD with a Sony camcorder. Is it possible to edit the Sony playlist to create multiple titles?

I may shoot 10 m2ts scenes on one event and 20 m2ts scenes on another event all on the same memory stick. When I open the AVCHD folder on the memory stick with multiAVCHD, the playlist contains all 30 scenes. I'd like to put the 10 scenes on one title and the 20 scenes in another title all on the same Blu-ray. Is this possible?

I know I can open the individual m2ts files and create the Blu-ray image I want that way. Just wondering if it can be done using the Sony playlist.

[deank]

@deank, I know that you have hardsubbing options in the title's Transcode window, but does it only support external subs? Or has internal sub support been added?

No, the support is only for the 1st external subtitle track. It allows you to hard burn for example [forced subtitles] and still have all other (internal+external) as soft subtitles.

I'm using multiAVCHD with a Sony camcorder. Is it possible to edit the Sony playlist to create multiple titles?

No, you can't do this kind of split with multiAVCHD. Although it is possible, it will complicate additionally everything in multiAVCHD related to playlist imports.

It is easy to program such function - it will require creating new playlist (MPL) for each split, without modifying the original MPL files and without touching the original MTS files.

[drelin]

Hello Deank.

Just a few report with latest build (743)

With AVCHD/BDMV compilation output, the "resume" function not works actually.
After return to MAIN MENU with Pop-Up Menu selection and access to AUDIO Menu to change audio and subtitle tracks, the "PLAY" function button restart allways on the 1st chapter point.

[deank]

It works perfectly at my end. I didn't change anything about menu creating since the start of this SD-DVD implementation.

I just created a small 5min compilation, played to chapter 8, used the pop-up to return to title menu, setup -> changed audio and then clicked PLAY and it continued (resumed playback) from chapter 8.

Resume always starts at a chapter mark (not where previously left the video).

If you had chapter 1: 00:00:00.000, chapter 2: 00:10:11.123 and you used the popup/resume while being at position 00:05:00.000 then the resume will start from the start.

[deank]

Although it is not directly related to multiAVCHD or the authoring process, here is important information for those of you (like me) who use Other OS functionality in their Playstation 3 consoles:

Today's update (version 3.21) of the system firmware DISABLES OtherOS function in PS3. It means:

* You'll loose your Linux installation (:devil:)
* You'll loose the HDD partition (:mad:)
* You'll loose the ability to copy/rip your Blu-ray discs to ISO to be used by makemkv/anyhddvd/etc... (this was important to me, since I don't have a computer with Blu-ray ROM drive)

And, sadly, no - this is not a joke :(

I'm currently staying with version 3.15.

Of course NOT updating means:

* No access to PSN
* No way to play games, which require 3.21+
* No way to play Blu-ray discs, which require 3.21+

You can read more about the "FEATURES" of 3.21 at the official Sony website:

http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/support/system-software/detail/item272598/Update-features-(ver-3-21)/

Main features in system software update version 3.21

Settings:

The [Install Other OS] and [Default System] features have been deleted.

Other

• A security patch was added to address security vulnerabilities that may occur when playing MP4 format video files.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

deank, I am experimenting with a movie only Blu-Ray backup from BD-RB, where I use multiAVCHD to import the movie and then add the original motion menu, shortening it to 32 seconds of course, so as to have the movie and menu only. I use the title button only, so I have the main menu and the motion title button, placed where I choose.
I have been able to move the button activate square, via apply button position settings, to where the title thumbnail is, but do I have to have this "blue square" visible at all?
I would like to be able to just select play/enter to start the movie, with the motion title thumbnail as the button. Is this an option?
Also: is there a way to have the motion menu play as the original, without the fade in/out every 4-5 seconds?

[deank]

There is a slider for IGS opacity (next to Main menu IG color). If you don't want to have the nav square, move the slider to the far left for 0% opacity (full transparency).

//edit yes: by using the options:

[x] Do not apply trailer cuts to BG video (use as is)
[-] Apply in/out fade for menu loop when using BG as is

Dean

[Capsbackup]

Thank you, I figured I was missing something simple!:o
I will try out these new settings.
I am having fun learning/testing All (most :p )of the many features you have put into multiAVCHD!

OK! I just discovered "Real-time preview of menu page (avisynth)". Wonderful!
This old dog is learning some new tricks! :cool:

[deank]

Nice :)

You may also want to enable:

[x] Do not apply background tweaks

Otherwise the motion background will be a bit blurred, less saturated and with lowered contrast. :)

[Capsbackup]

Nice :)

You may also want to enable:

[x] Do not apply background tweaks

Otherwise the motion background will be a bit blurred, less saturated and with lowered contrast. :)

Yes I have found that one and had it selected.
Now if I can just find more time to play and learn! :)

[Fastbke170]

Hi Dean,
You can get a very inexpensive External Blu-ray Drive http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-4x-Blu-ray-Combo-BDC-TD01-USB-external-Drive_W0QQitemZ260574799811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item3cab77e7c3
I have one running on old P4 XP Work System. I had to tweak the system a bit , But it Works Well

FB

[deank]

Thanks... I'll look in to it, but I don't really need blu-ray disc drive for my PC... I only have 2 Blu-ray titles (as a gift bundle when I was buying a PS3 BD RC for a present) :) and for playback I can use my PS3... for backup I use the PS3 + USB HDD, too. It will probably help me with the development of multiAVCHD, but since I did mostly all of the things without having a real blu-ray disc I guess I'll manage. :)

Otherwise I'll have to buy Panasonic BDP to test the SDHC support and another viera tv with SDHC AVCHD support. :)

[Fastbke170]

Nah , Get a Samsung :p, BTW, Is it possible that Samsung players just dont have AVCHD compatibility ??? Models such as BD-1590/1600 (cheapo) dont mention this compliancy.

[deank]

Yes and a samsung, too :)

I remember that 1600 works with AVCHD (or at least there were users reporting it is working)... Now ver 4.0 of multiAVCHD gives these players hard time and I don't know why.

It doesn't change the fact that Sony tries to cripple Playstation3 with this sh*tty 3.21 update. I guess I'll buy one of those PS3 lite consoles and keep my 1st gen full-featured PS3 for the real things. :)

[Capsbackup]

deank, just curious if there is a way to change the start/play position of the motion title thumbnail preview on the main menu? It appears to start at the beginning of each movie, which is fine, but can it play from a user defined position in the clip?

[deank]

At the moment it starts at 15 seconds offset from the start (to avoid the black and long-intro scenes) - a bit better than what PS3 does... Also atm it is not possible to change the start offset. I'll add an option soon - that's an easy one.

[Capsbackup]

At the moment it starts at 15 seconds offset from the start (to avoid the black and long-intro scenes) - a bit better than what PS3 does... Also atm it is not possible to change the start offset. I'll add an option soon - that's an easy one.

OK thanks, the features just keep on increasing.:)

[deank]

That's not really good :) unless I find a way to implement setarip_old's suggestion for redesigning the GUI and I have no good idea how to do it. :rolleyes:

[Capsbackup]

Well I'm quite pleased with the GUI, it works for me and is fairly straight forward. I'm not into HD DVD, but to each his own. :rolleyes:
Just having some fun, learning some neat things, all is good! :)

[deank]

Let's add it then in the next update!

http://multiAVCHD.deanBG.com/multiAVCHD_menu_advanced.jpg

[Capsbackup]

Excellent, and very fast too! :)
I am really enjoying the menu features! I find myself watching the menu loop more than getting to the movie. :cool: ( Planet Earth especially )
Well, don't take this wrong, since I do really appreciate all you have done, but I believe you have mentioned to possibly be able to increase the menu loop to beyond 32 seconds.
Is that true?

[deank]

My first experiments were with excerpts of PE HDDVD so I enjoy the menu loop, too :)

***

Yes, I'll add a similar filed to the one I just added to set "custom" video-background duration to more than 777 frames.

I was occupied with getting the (SD) DVD part done so I can continue with other more "Blue" features. :)

[Capsbackup]

Thank you again! :thanks:
I have been following this SD DVD from HD, but not tried yet. :(
Maybe soon.

Side note/feedback:
A recent test to create a BD-25 from Planet Earth's 11 episodes, turned out great considering the encoding of each episode was only 4450kbps. Still looks awesome to me.:)
And my I7 920 at 2.67GHz:


Compilation summary:
Format: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. From Pole To Pole [00:51:10]
2. Mountains [00:49:56]
3. Fresh Water [00:51:20]
4. Caves [00:50:50]
5. Deserts [00:50:52]
6. Ice Worlds [00:51:10]
7. Great Plains [00:51:00]
8. Jungles [00:51:06]
9. Shallow Seas [00:51:13]
10. Seasonal Forests [00:51:12]
11. Ocean Deep [00:51:08]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 09:21:01
Output size : 21313 MiB (20.813 GiB)

[10:04:27] D:\Planet Earth MTIAVCHD\AVCHD folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[10:04:27] Burn its CONTENTS to BD-R/RE UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[10:04:30] You may now remove temp folder (C:\multiAVCHD_TMP\multiTEMP-20100401\).
[10:04:30] Your compilation contains 9hrs 21min 1sec of video material.

[10:04:30] multiAVCHD finished in 2114.719 seconds (00:35:14.719)!

Not bad for a motion menu with motion title thumbnails!

[deank]

Did you transcode all with multiAVCHD or used external source (like BD-RB). The final output is ~1GB smaller which is a very very good achievement.

[Capsbackup]

Did you transcode all with multiAVCHD or used external source (like BD-RB). The final output is ~1GB smaller which is a very very good achievement.

I used MeGui, since that was the first program I started with for BD backups, and I have become quite comfortable using it and it's bitrate calc for sizing. I just did each episode individually, and kept all subtitles and chapter points, which I inserted into multiAVCHD for authoring.
I know I may have left some room on the disc, but I prefer it that way. I am not one who thinks it will look better if I use the whole disc, but better to be safe and not go over BD-25 size. :)
( Learned that from jdobbs back with DVD-RB and now BD-RB )

[deank]

Yep, that's the way for me, too! (not the meGUI part... that was the reason to start mkv2avi project and later multiAVCHD - meGUI wouldn't work with my Vista Ultimate laptop for some reason)

You can now update multiAVCHD if prompted (or use multiUPDATE). The option to select motion-title-thumbnail-start-playback-offset (there is probably a word in GERMAN for that) is now available in MENU/Advanced tab :)

I wanted to do that since all the episodes of the Planet Earth started with the same thing... Just never took the time to go for it :)

Dean

[deank]

Much better with 45 seconds offset :cool:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_trpv_1.jpg http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_trpv_3.jpg
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_trpv_4.jpg http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_trpv_2.jpg

[Adub]

You know, I'm going to have to get some Blu-ray compatible media software, like Arcsoft's software so that I can start playing around with some of the more powerful features of multiAVCHD and it's HD output.

I don't own a PS3 yet, so I can't really experience the awesomeness of Blu-ray and it's menu structure. But one of these days!

[crl2007]

You can't play a Blu-Ray menu from the hard disk of a PS3. You have to burn it to a BD-R disc. The menu produced with multiAVCHD you'll be able to see and use.

[Capsbackup]

What can I say, but awesome!!
Well it looks like I will be redoing Planet Earth, since I must try out this new feature.
Maybe I will watch an episode too... after my long preview of the motion menu! :p

[Adub]

@crl2007
I actually meant "High Definition" when I said HD. Sorry for the confusion.

[Capsbackup]

deank, should the Real-time preview of menu page (avisynth) show the new motion-title-thumbnail-start-playback-offset ?
Mine seems to be showing the same start time before the latest update. I set it to 45 seconds, but it is not previewing at that start time. :confused:

[deank]

You know, I'm going to have to get some Blu-ray compatible media software, like Arcsoft...

I don't own a PS3 yet, so I can't really experience the awesomeness of Blu-ray and it's menu structure. But one of these days!

You don't need a PS3. multiAVCHD output should work with most standalone players (SAPs) and most software players like TMT and Nero.

What can I say, but awesome!!
Well it looks like I will be redoing Planet Earth, since I must try out this new feature.
Maybe I will watch an episode too... after my long preview of the motion menu! :p

Well... That's what I was doing for the last year and a half. I have this PE compilation re-processed since build 666 of multiAVCHD and now I'm rEdoing it again :) This time it looks much better (just like with any other update). And thank you again!

[deank]

deank, should the Real-time preview of menu page (avisynth) show the new motion-title-thumbnail-start-playback-offset ?
Mine seems to be showing the same start time before the latest update. I set it to 45 seconds, but it is not previewing at that start time. :confused:

Are you sure about that? I tried the XMB preview and it was showing the proper preview. (and of course the final output was with the proper offset).

[Adub]

You don't need a PS3. multiAVCHD output should work with most standalone players (SAPs) and most software players like TMT and Nero.


That's exactly my point. I don't have a standalone, PS3, or decent software player (yet).

I'm looking into getting a decent software player so that I can actually begin to test with High Definition output, and their corresponding menu structure.

[Capsbackup]

Are you sure about that? I tried the XMB preview and it was showing the proper preview. (and of course the final output was with the proper offset).

Yes, just checked again, and the XMB preview is as it was before.
However, I am running a BD-RB movie only backup currently, if that has any effect, and since updating via multiUPDATE, I have not rebooted either.
I will run the project after this encode finishes, and will then have a more accurate answer.

[deank]

I just tested the preview and the real-time-preview for all three XMB, Slide and Carousel - all show the proper motion title thumbnail offset-start. In fact I used 240 seconds for my latest compilation :)

[Capsbackup]

I just tested the preview and the real-time-preview for all three XMB, Slide and Carousel - all show the proper motion title thumbnail offset-start. In fact I used 240 seconds for my latest compilation :)

Good to know, I'm sure you are correct. I will confirm my results later as well.

[deank]

The SETUP page of the last (11th) title doesn't work here for no apparent reason. Would you please let me know how yours came up?

[Capsbackup]

I can now confirm that the real-time-preview for XMB works for the main motion menu, but the preview of the 11 title buttons only displays what appears to be from the start of each episode, not the 45 second start time I selected.
However, you are correct that after authoring, it works perfectly, starting from the 45 seconds I chose. :)
All eleven episodes button previews work for me, as do each episode, with selectable subtitles and chapters.
All my original source files are 1920x1080 .ts files, created from tsMuxeR, so maybe the title button preview via avisynth and mplayer are at fault for not displaying properly?
Oh well, the outcome is what counts, and everything came out as you predicted. :)
Excellent job!
The testing, so far, has been with TMT3 and PowerDVD 7.3. But I will burn to BD-RE for testing on my S360 later and report those results too.

[Adub]

I can confirm Capsbackup's behavior where the menu preview of the title buttons appears to be from the beginning of the episode, with no offset.

I tested this using a clean rip of The Dark Knight Blu-ray, using AnyDVD HD. I haven't looked at the authored output yet (I assume its fine) but the preview doesn't appear to respect the offset.

[deank]

You were both right. My tests were with imported compilation (i.e. .MPL files for titles) and not 'new' files. It is okay now and the preview is proper when using files, too.

[claymic]

Hi Dean
My WDTV will arrive tomorrow and i will test with blu-ray. I search for a guide post here for like works with blu, but i dont find. Can you tell me where it is ?
Thanks man.
Clayton

[BZeeme]

The SETUP page of the last (11th) title doesn't work here for no apparent reason. Would you please let me know how yours came up?

I'm putting the 24 episodes of "Lost Season 1" on 2 or 3 BD-R's. With 12 episodes on one, the SETUP pages of titles 11 and 12 do not work (no navigation graphics). (Build 743 31/03/2010). I'm waiting awhile before retrying - takes 9 1/2 hours plus burning time.

Added: With 8 episodes per disc, SETUP on the 8th title does work.

[deank]

It happened to me yesterday, too... Strange it wasn't reported earlier...

There is a calculation error for the subpath IDs for the IGS for titles>10 (decimal to hex conversion).

Update to 744 I fixed it. If you don't want to redo your compilation - send me 00255.mpls - it needs one byte change and will be fixed.

Dean

[deank]

Compilation summary:
Format: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. From Pole To Pole [00:51:10]
2. Mountains [00:49:56]
3. Fresh Water [00:51:20]
4. Caves [00:50:50]
5. Deserts [00:50:52]
6. Ice Worlds [00:51:10]
7. Great Plains [00:51:00]
8. Jungles [00:51:06]
9. Shallow Seas [00:51:13]
10. Seasonal Forests [00:51:12]
11. Ocean Deep [00:51:08]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 09:21:01
Output size : 21313 MiB (20.813 GiB)

[10:04:30] multiAVCHD finished in 2114.719 seconds (00:35:14.719)!

Not bad for a motion menu with motion title thumbnails!

I just saw that... My laptop needs twice as much :( 1hr and 16 mins actually for the same task.

[flaviometal]

It doesn't change the fact that Sony tries to cripple Playstation3 with this sh*tty 3.21 update. I guess I'll buy one of those PS3 lite consoles and keep my 1st gen full-featured PS3 for the real things.

So, you must try this:

http://www.consolespot.net/1914-Solution-Bypass-Upgrading-to-Firmware-321-Update.html

[deank]

Hah... I was just working on a quick CLI proxy for my PS3 to tweak the FW report to sony :) Thanks anyway!

[Capsbackup]

deank, I can confirm your latest update does honor the start time for the motion-menu title thumbnails for my projects too. :)
Since I have a few projects working right now, I notice if I "load project" from a saved one, the previous projects settings are still kept as multiAVCHD's start-up settings.
Ex: start up multiAVCHD, add video, add motion menu video, add motion menu audio, set start time for motion thumbnail, compile and save project.
Restart multiAVCHD and do the same for a completely different source files with all new motion title thumbnail start times and button positions, etc.. compile and save project.
Restart multiAVCHD and load the project before the last completed, but the settings for start time and button positions are not what was saved initially, but the last projects settings.
Whoa.. that was a long explanation!:p
Is that the way it is suppose to be?

[deank]

1) It is good to save the projects BEFORE you start a compilation
2) Motion title start offset is a general setting
3) There is a [x] Discard settings from project files in SETTINGS (if it is ticked multiAVCHD won't import the GENERAL settings/ini from your project (mpf) file)
4) Once you create a compilation, each title gets its settings as a custom template (you'll notice the [menu] prefix and the lime color). In such case you need to edit title properties [more] and change the template for the title.

The general settings in MENU tab are applied only to newly added media. Once it becomes part of created compilation, each title has its own settings and ignores the general one in MENU tab. If you have a title with [menu] prefix and in LIME color it means it won't be affected by the changes in MENU tab (except few which are not part of the template, like the new setting for motion offset)

When doing multiple compilations preparation it is better ALWAYS to work with the TEMPLATE menu in title-properties. There you can set all you want per title and save it as a template. Later if you need it you can load it and apply it to any other title.

[Capsbackup]

So much to learn! Well, sometimes I take a little longer to get it. :confused:
I'll keep at it and though, since it is still fun. :)
Thanks.

[deank]

I hope it is still fun :)

There are a lot of things in the TEMPLATE window. You can try drelin's templates there, too.

//

Few optimizations to decrease multiAVCHD.exe size... + a new option [x] Use MPEG-2 codec for motion menu in MENU/Extended tab...

[deank]

Something disturbing from a post @ my forum:

Hi,

I created a AVCHD "file" to play on the PS3, it has one subtitle and one audio track. I successfully authored an AVCHD "file" that played on the PS3 just fine once, but when I went back to watch it again with a friend it wont play :S The file was untouched on my USB-stick between the play times.

So I figured somehow it had been corrupted so I authored it again and I get no errors from the log (see the log in the end of this post) after the program is done, I copy the AVCHD folder to the root of my USB-drive, put it in the PS3 (running the latest firmware: 3.21) and click on the folder but it wont start to play, I don't get the menu or nothing the PS3 just lists the folders and files.

As I said it worked once, why wont it work now?

Thanks for your time!

I really hope this user does something wrong (although I can't think of anything he could've done wrong) and Sony didn't put a hand on the home-brew AVCHD with menu :(

On the side: I got my PS3 connected to PSN and all with a DNS address change (without using a proxy).

[deank]

@laserfan / anyone else who knows:

Is it possible to set --qpfile with chapter frames for x264 when doing 1-pass encoding? I'd really like to add precise chapter jumps to IDR frames in case a source is re-encoded with x264.

Dean

[Adub]

As a matter of fact, yes, I believe that is possible. In fact, I believe MeGUI already supports this in it's One Click Encode feature.

Let me check.....Yep. It's under the "Encoder Config" tab of the advanced options of the "One Click Encoder" feature.

I believe MeGUI calls it "Force using Key-frames for chapter marks".

Edit: Plus, clicky (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1388105#post1388105).

[deank]

Nice... I'll add it in the next update. Although the end user may not really notice it, it is good to have it set properly in case one decides to re-encode a video to AVC/H.264.

[Adub]

Plus, about the "distubing post".

Sounds like a bad memory stick. I don't have a PS3 to test, but if a few users report back in the green, then my guess is bad hardware on the user's end.

[deank]

I hope so! :)

*** I just tested few mixed AVC/H.264 and MPEG-2 main-motion-menus on my PS3 and all looks okay.

I don't know if anyone will ever use the MPEG-2 option for motion menus, but it is an alternative. Chapter and SETUP menus are still in AVC/H.264.

Dean

[Adub]

You may find this useful: http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings#qpfile

[deank]

Yep... I know that site and the file format... I was just wondering if 1-pass supports qpfile... Probably I'm too slow with x264 development :) or probably misunderstood the feature when it appeared.

Thanks!

[Adub]

It should work in all x264 modes (CRF, 2-pass, etc).

[deank]

Plus, about the "distubing post".

Sounds like a bad memory stick. I don't have a PS3 to test, but if a few users report back in the green, then my guess is bad hardware on the user's end.

In fact an user error :)

Thanks for answering, this was totally my fault. Somehow I managed to press triangle and not x so I showed all files instead of just showing video files, when I pressed x on the PS3 controller everything went fine and it played nicely. :)

[Adub]

Ah, thought so. Good to note for future reference.

[deank]

Ok, the latest minor (+) update got the qpfile option when doing x264 encodes. It will use the chapter marks of a title (with -40ms offset) to set IDR frames to be used by x264. It may speed up chapter jumps (or at least won't slow them down) in case tsMuxeR calculations match multiAVCHD...

(minus)40ms is a precaution, since tsMuxeR may misbehave :) (40ms is about one 24p frame)

That is if you [transcode] a video from any format to AVC/H.264.

Dean :)

[Adub]

Might I ask why the -40ms offset? Is that just to create a keyframe slightly before the indicated chapter mark?

[flaviometal]

Dean, I'm working on a project with 4 videos, using motion background menu, and XMB style with thumbs, but mAVCHD is creating 4 different motion menus (1 for each episode). I want to know if it's there a way to use the same motion menu (created with mAVCHD for the video 1, for example) for all the other 3 motion menus.

[deank]

Yes...The IDR frame is supposed to be just a frame or two before the jump. It will take less time to seek to it (since the player will land on a B or P frame and will go back to seek the IDR, which is just 1-2 frames away). tsMuxeR doesn't do/set the exact jumps, that's why I need to use the offset.

Even at the moment the slow seek is not notable (at least with Playstation3) but now it should be faster.

Anyway it makes 1 frame difference in the qpfile.

[deank]

Dean, I'm working on a project with 4 videos, using motion background menu, and XMB style with thumbs, but mAVCHD is creating 4 different motion menus (1 for each episode). I want to know if it's there a way to use the same motion menu (created with mAVCHD for the video 1, for example) for all the other 3 motion menus.

Go to title-properties and [Menu page - [more]] to access the template. There you have the settings for the current title and you can reset or apply the settings to all other titles.

[flaviometal]

Go to title-properties and [Menu page - [more]] to access the template. There you have the settings for the current title and you can reset or apply the settings to all other titles.

I've already tried this, but doesn't work. One menu for each respective videos. What am I missing?

It's there a way to take one of the menus from the mAVCHD temp folder and use it for all the other 3 menus? If so, the only inconvenience its that way I must compile the project, take the menu, edit all menus and compile again!

[deank]

Ok, I re-read your question. No, you can't just re-use menus without reencoding. You can replace 8***0.m*ts files if you decide to create them yourself for each title (updating the clpi file too).

If you want to have a motion video and to have it the same for all titles you'll have to import it as bg video and use it for all titles.

[laserfan]

The IDR frame is supposed to be just a frame or two before the jump. It will take less time to seek to it (since the player will land on a B or P frame and will go back to seek the IDR, which is just 1-2 frames away). tsMuxeR doesn't do/set the exact jumps, that's why I need to use the offset... ...it makes 1 frame difference in the qpfile.
Sorry but I don't understand this. I have noticed that for most BDs, the chapter marks are at exactly the first frame in a new scene. So my qpfile for re-encoding does not need any adjustment, as x264 will make an I-frame at the scene change and thus the chapters seek perfectly.

But for some small percentage of BDs, they put the chapter marks at a frame or two past the scene change, and so I laboriously go thru all the frames in the qpfile to change them to one-or-two earlier, to the scene change, so I don't have x264 trying to make two I-frames in a row i.e. "get crosswise" with --min-keyint which I've set to 1.

Anyway, HOW EXACTLY are you applying a 40ms offset (where and how)? Am I off-base in what I have been doing to get seek points right? :confused:

[deank]

My concern is tsMuxeR's chapter setting in the mpls files for each title.

Basically a chapter jump (through a playlist mpls) is a "jump to the packet with PTS = xxxx". How could one be sure that this packet has the h264 start of a key/IDR frame?

I'm either missing something or I'm not understanding the whole concept.

Since decoding of the jump frame usually requires decoding of the previous IDR frame, I prefer to have x264 generate it just a bit earlier, so once the player decides to 'seek' for it, it will need to go just 1-2 frames back and reconstruct the requested one.

Please let me know if I'm getting this all wrong. I have my observations of how PS3 (although a powerful machine) struggles to seek back (either with reversed playback or seek-back - spinning its fans to 150% since the CPU needs much much more power to reconstruct the rev-playback).

And laserfan, my post is about a newly reencoded file (not a blu-ray one) and tsMuxeR's ability to link the chapter marks to the closest possible IDR frame in the encoded AVC video.

[Capsbackup]

deank, sorry to report that my Planet Earth, though it seemed to work perfectly playing on software players, would not work, and would freeze up my Sony S360 player after episode 6.
The first five episodes worked perfectly, including the motion menu and the motion title thumbnails. However, after the sixth episode, the motion menu would freeze up.
The player seemed to be less responsive too after the 4-5th episode, taking longer to change to a different episode thru button navigation, as well as when selecting play, it took longer to start.
I will try again with version 744+, since it appears you may have found the issue. I will try to let you know tomorrow with my results.

[Adub]

Huh, okay, well, I seem to have run into a problem while encoding the motion thumbnail.

X264 crashed:
http://www.screencast.com/users/Adub/folders/Jing/media/f7e58a9d-6e57-445d-b46a-2f623fa22aa1
If I click okay, Windows 7 tells me that I can close the program and report the error, or just close the program. I close the program, and multiAVCHD continues on it's own:

[18:56:02] Initialising...
[18:56:02] Checking for new version...
[18:56:03] You have the latest build.
[18:56:03] [02/04/2010] build 744 (latest is: 744) - Fixed SETUP page navigation for compilations with more than 10 titles. Updated BDSup2Sub to 4.0, x264 to r1510. New options.
[18:56:03] Consistency check finished!
[18:56:03] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[18:56:03] 1 year and 97 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[18:56:03] 267 people supported it with donations
[18:56:03] and you are the 1395591 one to launch the program...
[18:56:03] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[18:56:03] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[18:57:18] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[18:57:18] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 96512.09 MiB (94.25 GiB) free space
[18:57:18] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 96512.09 MiB (94.25 GiB) free space

[18:57:18] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 744)
[18:57:18] Selected output mode: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)

[18:57:18] Processing one title...
[18:57:19] Processing (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts)...
[18:57:21] Detected frame reference count: 4 (max:4).
[18:57:21] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=4
[18:57:21] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[18:57:21] Adding DTS audio track (ID#4352)
[18:57:21] Adding DTS audio track (ID#4353)
[18:57:21] Adding DTS audio track (ID#4354)
[18:57:21] Detected subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: und
[18:57:21] Detected subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: und
[18:57:21] Detected subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: und
[18:57:21] Detected subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: und
[18:57:21] Detected subtitles: ID#4612:S_HDMV/PGS Language: und
[18:57:21] Total of 4 tracks found in this file.
[18:57:21] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[18:57:21] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)
Decoding DTS stream (track 3): Bitrate: 768Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1
Decoding DTS stream (track 4): Bitrate: 768Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1
Decoding PGS stream (track 6): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 7): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 9): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 5): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 8): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
H264 bitstream changed: insert SPS/PPS units
Processed 220091 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 16 min 18 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:12:44.916;00:25:29.833;00:38:14.750;00:50:59.666;01:03:44.583;01:16:29.500;01:29:14.416;01:41:59.333;01:54:44.250;02:07:29.166;02:20:14.083 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113, fps=23.976
A_DTS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
A_DTS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", track=4353, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
A_DTS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", track=4354, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
S_HDMV/PGS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", fps=23.976, track=4608, lang=und
S_HDMV/PGS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", fps=23.976, track=4609, lang=und
S_HDMV/PGS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", fps=23.976, track=4610, lang=und
S_HDMV/PGS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", fps=23.976, track=4611, lang=und
S_HDMV/PGS, "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts", fps=23.976, track=4612, lang=und
===============================================================================
[19:11:16] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[19:11:16] Media transfer: 00001 -> 00001.m2ts
[19:11:16] Media transfer: 00002 -> 00002.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00003 -> 00003.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00004 -> 00004.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00005 -> 00005.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00006 -> 00006.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00007 -> 00007.m2ts
[19:11:17] Media transfer: 00008 -> 00008.m2ts
[19:11:17] Processing playlist...
[19:11:17] Title #1 added: "00010"
[19:11:17] Verifying title...
[19:11:45] Title has: 3 audio tracks and 5 subtitle tracks

[19:11:45] Preparing authoring information...
[19:11:45] Creating NTSC top menu.
[19:11:45] Setting pop-up menu...
[19:11:47] *** [00000.mpls] - Adding pop-up menu [1080p]...
[19:11:47] *** Completed!
[19:11:47] Authoring menu (NTSC).
[19:11:47] Creating title thumbnails for 1 titles (XMB)...
[19:12:09] Using 12 thumbnail/chapter links for title #1...
[19:12:09] *** Extracting 12 chapter thumbnails...
[19:15:06] Image processing for XMB menu completed!

[19:15:06] Preparing menu pages...

[19:15:07] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1] [Motion title thumbnail].
[19:17:03] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1]: Chapter page [1/1].
[19:17:42] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).
[19:18:16] Menu authoring completed.

[19:18:17] Encoding Title List menu page [1/1].
[19:18:26] Authoring welcome screen (NTSC).
[19:18:29] Encoding welcome screen...
[19:18:43] Authoring welcome screen completed.
[19:18:43] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[19:18:43] Playback will end after title #1.
[19:18:43] Setting menu properties...
[19:18:43] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[19:18:43] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[19:18:43] Completed.
[19:18:43] Setting Blu-ray format...
[19:18:46] Done!

[19:18:46] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[19:18:46] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_INGTEST12\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
Name : INGTEST12
===============================================================================
1. 00010 [02:32:59]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 02:32:59
Output size : 35689 MiB (34.853 GiB)

[19:18:46] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_INGTEST12 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[19:18:46] Burn its CONTENTS to BD-R/RE UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[19:18:49] You may now remove temp folder (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100402\).
[19:18:49] Your compilation contains 2hrs 32min 59sec of video material.

[19:18:49] multiAVCHD finished in 1291.064 seconds (00:21:31.063)!

[19:18:49] End of log.

[19:18:49] Cleaning up...
[19:18:50] Done!

[19:18:50] For technical support, bug reports and questions:

[19:18:50] http://multiforum.deanbg.com/
[19:18:50] http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/
[19:18:50] http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744


I'm not quite sure why the error occured. I have no problems when encoding with the X264 installed by meGUI, I even ran about 6 tests that encoded a DVD over and over for hours and no problems occured.

edit: I'm replacing the x264 version included by mAVCHD with the MeGUI one and trying again. Let's see if it crashes.
edit2: Huh, even with a totally different executable it crashes.

[BZeeme]

It happened to me yesterday, too... Strange it wasn't reported earlier...

There is a calculation error for the subpath IDs for the IGS for titles>10 (decimal to hex conversion).

Update to 744 I fixed it. If you don't want to redo your compilation - send me 00255.mpls - it needs one byte change and will be fixed.

Dean

I will probably redo it. I've had several other issues getting this project done, but I want to gather my data and compose my remarks before posting about them.

[Puki]

Hi Dean,

I have searched but didn't find anything about "(more than 10 playitems: output suppressed)" in the log.

Could you please be so kind and give me a hint :) ?

Regards

Puki

[deank]

Some menu playlists contain over 100 (or 500 until recently in multiAVCHD) playitems (m2ts files). multiAVCHD reports the first 10 and the last 10 - they are all the same, so no need to full the log with this information. This is done so the menu will play almost indefinitely (like 5-10 hours) if you leave your player unattended.

[Capsbackup]

Latest test of Planet Earth to BD-RE with 744+ works perfectly on my S360. :)
Thanks for a quick find and fix!

Regarding chapters created/used from tsMuxeR, I found that on some episodes the chapter lands on a frame before it should, or at least I see a quick seen change after the chapter selection starts. It seems it should have been a few frames later, so that it is already at this next scene. Not a big deal though, and it happens on backups of almost every Blu-Ray I have done.
Now I am looking forward to if/when the motion menu capabilities are greater than 32 seconds. :p

[deank]

Well... that may be not that easy to implement, but I'll get to it next week. Good to know your PE disc works now :)

About the chapters - it has nothing to do with multiAVCHD. The discussion above is when you use multiAVCHD to re-encode your source and is not related to the muxing part with tsMuxeR of videos you brought into multiAVCHD :)

[Capsbackup]

Well... that may be not that easy to implement, but I'll get to it next week. Good to know your PE disc works now :)

About the chapters - it has nothing to do with multiAVCHD. The discussion above is when you use multiAVCHD to re-encode your source and is not related to the muxing part with tsMuxeR of videos you brought into multiAVCHD :)

The wish list exists, but the appreciation list is greater! :)
I am perfectly content with the motion menu/motion title thumbnails as is! Maybe it's just presumptuous, but your quick changes/fixes and feature additions and enhancements have spoiled me! :p
I realise it is not multiAVCHD regarding chapters issues, but was just relaying an observation, not trying to imply a bug. :cool:

[Puki]

Some menu playlists contain over 100 (or 500 until recently in multiAVCHD) playitems (m2ts files). multiAVCHD reports the first 10 and the last 10 - they are all the same, so no need to full the log with this information. This is done so the menu will play almost indefinitely (like 5-10 hours) if you leave your player unattended.

Thanks Dean, that makes things clearer :)

Regards

Puki

And btw: fantastic additions during the last two weeks!

[laserfan]

And laserfan, my post is about a newly reencoded file (not a blu-ray one) and tsMuxeR's ability to link the chapter marks to the closest possible IDR frame in the encoded AVC video.I knew that. The point I was trying to make was "how do you know what the PTS is of the IDR frame" because if you use the originals and then re-encode, you can't depend on the player landing properly, because the I frames may have changed. I guess you are saying then that you simply assert a slightly later landing time for the chapter, and then the player will in most instances seek-back to the I-frame that is most recent, and which too (hopefully) is at the scene change.

I don't pretend to understand how any of this works (!), only that IME the chapter marks from the original will, many times, not match-up with an I-frame in the re-encode, which results in the "shows a frame or two from the previous scene when advancing to a chapter" as Capsbackup said too.

[Fastbke170]

Hi Dean,
Well I just finished LOTR Trilogy (one 25gig BDR) :cool: , although I rarely change settings I thought I would give the new Mpeg2 Menu encoding a go. The Reason for this is I usually have issues when I get to this point. I basically get a stall and the program timer instead of counting down as its encoding menu the timer goes higher. I just use the handy dandy Break button and skip to the next taskat hand to which MultiAVCHD uses Title menu.

OK so now when I get to Menu encoding time with Mpeg2 Ticked , My Counter didnt show any activity for about 10 minutes, So I used the Break button again and have a Nice Title Menu ( No Biggie ). I know youhave posted about Menu encoding in the past, Mind you Im the guy with the Actual Super PC Core I7 950 OC 4.2 with 12 Gigs of RAM :rolleyes:, I dont usually report anything because with 12 updates a week you usually fix whatever is wrong too fast. :p , I will try the tried and true reload AVISYNTHHAALIFFDSHOW fix. I hit the break button so I donth think the Log Would really help. I'll keep you posted

FB

[deank]

I never use the BREAK and ABORT buttons... I don't really know what they actually do :p (seriously... don't use them).

The MPEG-2 menu encoding option requires 2-pass processing. Just to be on the safe side - make sure you enable [x] Show spawned tools option in SETTINGS tab.

Then you'll see all tools and what they are doing.

[Fastbke170]

Ok That Explains it, I selected 1-Pass . I thought it would save time, hehe :p. Yeah 16MB cuts take SOO long. Ok next time Ill try 2-pass. Thanks Dean

[deank]

1pass with HCenc is ignored since the source (menu) is <60 seconds. With MPEG-2 you'll always get 2pass processing (which in fact is really nice and produces great quality).

[deank]

I got this e-mail this morning from a multiAVCHD user:

Hi Dean,
I came across multiAVCHD only a few days ago, and I love it!

I have an idea that could make it even more practical for Adobe Premiere Pro users.
Adobe Premiere Pro (CS4) can edit AVCHD files, however it cannot output them without re-compression as multiAVCHD can...
However, Premiere Pro is a very convenient tool for editting large amount of video files (cutting / re-ordering etc.).

I wanted to know if you could add an "import-from-textfile" feature to multiAVCHD:
import video files from a list in a text file, where each line in the text file will contain the video filename, and the trimming times to cut from the beginning and end of this video. If such a feature will be present in multiAVCHD users will be able to export the editting data from Premiere Pro to a text file and import it to multiAVCHD,
thus rendering the project using multiAVCHD.

Users can use the dynamic link from Adobe Premiere Pro to AE (Adobe After Effects), and for AE I could write a script that will export the editting data to a text file.
I've written a few scripts to AE already, and this one should not be too hard (unfortunately, Premiere does not support scripting the way AE does...).
Just let me know the text format that is most convenient to you.
something like: filename, inTrim[sec], outTrim[sec]
for example (comma seperated f):
"d:\My documents\my videos\file0001.m2ts", 2, 4
"d:\My documents\my videos\file0002.m2ts", 3, 1
"d:\My documents\my videos\file0003.m2ts", 0, 40
"d:\My documents\my videos\file0003.m2ts", 20, 10
"d:\My documents\my videos\file0004.m2ts", 0, 1

Let me know if you could do that.
It should be very similar to your "Add video files" button, but will enter the data to the Trim fields (instead of 0, 0).
If you can add that to multiAVCHD, let me know the exact format that is most convenient for you,
and I will make the AE Script export the data in that format.
Is it possible to trim times in mili-seconds or fractions of a second (in order to make it more accurate to frames) ?

I think this feature and the proposed technique could make a real revolution for users who want to use Premiere to edit large and complex projects, and want multiAVCHD to combine it all to an AVCHD folder (or any other output option) without re-compressing the video.

Thanks a lot

It was quite easy to implement it, so I did that. You can now import plain text files (with .mfl extension). The format is:

file_name|trim_start|trim_end|poster_frame_in_seconds

Example:


00001.m2ts|12.041|96.811|4.555
F:\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts|12.041
D:\00003.m2ts|||1813
C:\00004.m2ts

The only required field is the filename. The text file should have .mfl extension. With this one, multiAVCHD types grow by one:

.mpf - project file
.mlf - language file
.mmt - menu template
.mfl - file list

:rolleyes:
Dean

[CoolHandPuke]

Hi Dean, been having a few issues since the last few updates.

In the old version whenever I hit start it would come up with the options menu for what type I would like, I always used the AVCH to dvd for panasonic players and this worked flawlessly! Since the update this option is gone and is replaced with AVCHD (strict) and AVCHD (loose) I havent been able to get an AVCHD burned to dvd that works since.

The dvd loads and then says play on the br player(panny bd30) and then imediately syas stop?

What am I doing wrong

Thanks

P.S. also I never did get the fit to all to work, it ALWAYS seems to create a disk that is 101% of the dvd size therefore rendering the convertion useless. I must admit this mainly happens when I am trying to encode video streams that are over 4500MB in the first place, any suggestions?

[deank]

AVCHD (strict) should work... If you can't make it work, you'll have to use version 3.0. FIT-ALL does not take into account menu files and in version 4 motion menus may take up to 30MB per title.

[CoolHandPuke]

Ok dean thanks for the quick reply. do you think if I disable all menus this will make the fit to all work for files larger than 4500MB?

Also I have tried about 3 different projects with strict, none fo them work? I am currently writing a project with loose to see if this solves the problem. Will update if succesful on both counts.

CHP

[CoolHandPuke]

Just noticed something and being a noob Im probably way of track BUT worth asking, I have noticed that I have img burn set to autostart and in settings the default is use img burn with drd/bd-r output as apposed to what I BELIEVE I used to use was the ISO settings when launching imgburn manually and adding the folders, it would autamatically adjust to this, could this be the case that imgburn is buring the disc in the wronf format?

[deank]

The .iso output will create an iso file and will load it in imgburn. I believe it is not the cause of the troubles you're having. Other users reported problems with Panasonics and version 4. Still BD60 and few other models are reported to work with the (strict) button - static menus, no special extras.

[CoolHandPuke]

Ok so by the sound of things there is no alternative other than to use version 3?

Is this something that will be fixed in future version 4 updates?

[deank]

Sadly, the problem exists only with few blu-ray player models and it is very difficult to understand what causes them to reject the discs. You can try to create a compilation without a menu and report if it is working.

[AJ500]

I got this e-mail this morning from a multiAVCHD user:
...

It was quite easy to implement it, so I did that. You can now import plain text files (with .mfl extension). The format is:

file_name|trim_start|trim_end|poster_frame_in_seconds

...
Dean

Thanks for adding this feature. This is much better than frameserving or re-encoding with Premiere Pro if you're only doing trims.

[colinhunt]

deank, made a donation a moment ago to thank you for all the hard work you've done creating all those useful apps. Keep it up.

[mpucoder]

@seskookses: I can not approve your attachments because they refer to downloaded files.

[flaviometal]

Hi dean!

It's possible to put 1 or 2 videos BEFORE menu? Cause I was thinking to put some trailers before the main movie...

Thanks, and keep the good work!

[deank]

Yes, you can mark first 2 titles as hidden (in title properties) and set the second [default action] GO TO MENU. :)

[colinhunt]

A quickie: is multiAVCHD supposed to work on a 64-bit Windows 7? Didn't see any mention of that in the first post.

[deank]

Yep :) It works.

[deank]

* Latest multiAVCHD update can work and produce Blu-ray/HD-DVD with all versions of x264 (older versions, the new r1510 and the patched by rack04 for the long-start-code r1510M)
* For HD-DVD you'll need to update hddvdmux.exe and x264 with the those from this link (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hddvdmux_x264_tools.rar) or at least replace your hddvdmux.exe with the renamed hddvdmux-p.exe (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hddvdmux-p.exe)
* All encoding profiles should now work for HD-DVD output.
* Latest full-download of multiAVCHD includes rack04's build r1510M x264 and the updated (patched by me) hddvdmux.exe

If you want to make tests outside multiAVCHD:
If using the regular x264 r1510 you'll need to use --nal-hrd none
If using r1510M by rack04 you can use --nal-hrd vbr
If using older builds you need to use --nal-hrd

For encoding compliant HD-DVD you'll need to use: --keyint 14 --ref 1 --weightp 0 options, too.

In latest update you'll find lines saying for example:
[20:18:52] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 5834 --keyint 14 --level 4.1 --min-keyint 4 --bframes 2 --ref 1 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 17500 --vbv-maxrate 17000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads 2 --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --rc-lookahead 14 --output "D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100406\5min cut.[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\calcit\tools\20100406-201852-uncrop-running.avs"


They'll show the actual parameters passed to x264 for all modes and profiles. I avoided doing this because I'll get requests to change the parameters. So if you're planning to ask me to change anything, just don't post or I'll just ignore your request.

Also a small addition the the .mfl text-list import... Additional field is added to set hidden titles (hidden=1 means hidden).

file|cut_start|cut_end|poster|hidden

Example:

00001.m2ts|12.345|56.877|19.223|1

Dean

[AJ500]

I'm attempting to create a SD from a 17 minute 1440x1080 m2ts file. The processing is stuck in HCenc 0.24 at 27% in stage 1. The m2ts file plays OK by itself or from a Blu-ray image.

Suggestions of what to look for?

[Adub]

Create an avs script loading the m2ts file and see if it plays.

Or try loading one of the temp scripts created by multiAVCHD.

[colinhunt]

Yep :) It works.
Hmm. It crashes constantly on my W7; I'll do some more testing to narrow the issue down.

[rack04]

Hmm. It crashes constantly on my W7; I'll do some more testing to narrow the issue down.

I have used multiAVCHD with great success on Win7 Ultimate 64bit.

[deank]

Hmm. It crashes constantly on my W7; I'll do some more testing to narrow the issue down.

What crashes? :)

[deank]

Build 745:

* Fixed: Re-authoring Blu-ray discs for Playstation3 loses the pop-up menu in 2nd-Nth segments (playitems) when main movie is split into 4GB chunks. Now all ok.
* Fixed: SD-DVD authoring fails to demux MPEG (mp2/mp3/mpa) audio tracks from ts/m2ts/mts. Now ok.
* Fixed: HD-DVD now works with all encoding profiles (with the newer x264 builds)
* x264 (32bit and 64bit) updated in the full-download to version r1523M compiled by rack04
* hddvdmux updated in full-download with my patched version (0.33p) for better support of the new x264 builds
* BDsup2sub updated to 4.0 in the full-download
* Some other minor fixes...

Dean

[deank]

A user on my forum requested that old resolution test I created back in january last year. Since I don't have it anymore and he asked me to use some better samples to determine overscan and other issues, I recreated the whole thing.

It is related to my post from January 2009. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1235782#post1235782)

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/restest-01.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/restest-02.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/restest-03.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/restest-04.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/restest-05.jpg

Here is a Playstation 3 ready AVCHD for testing (20MB). (http://rapidshare.com/files/373113852/resolution-test-ps3.rar) It contains 720x....@25.000fps PAL samples, so it is possible that if your player is NTSC it won't work.

Here is the folder with all source m2ts files (http://rapidshare.com/files/373113851/resolution_test.rar) you can use to create your own test. There is a file-list MFL file (resolution_test.mfl) which you can load into multiAVCHD and remove the PAL files if you wish, or simply re-order the test compilation.

The list of resolutions tested (5 seconds for each):

720x288
720x320
720x352
720x368
720x384
720x392
720x424
720x432
720x440
720x448
720x456
720x464
720x472
720x480
720x488
720x496
720x512
720x528
720x544
720x560
720x576
720x288-PAL
720x320-PAL
720x352-PAL
720x368-PAL
720x384-PAL
720x392-PAL
720x424-PAL
720x432-PAL
720x440-PAL
720x448-PAL
720x456-PAL
720x464-PAL
720x472-PAL
720x480-PAL
720x488-PAL
720x496-PAL
720x512-PAL
720x528-PAL
720x544-PAL
720x560-PAL
720x576-PAL
1280x496
1280x512
1280x528
1280x544
1280x560
1280x576
1280x592
1280x608
1280x624
1280x640
1280x656
1280x672
1280x688
1280x704
1280x720
1920x768
1920x776
1920x784
1920x792
1920x800
1920x808
1920x816
1920x824
1920x832
1920x840
1920x848
1920x856
1920x864
1920x872
1920x880
1920x888
1920x896
1920x912
1920x920
1920x928
1920x944
1920x952
1920x960
1920x968
1920x976
1920x984
1920x992
1920x1000
1920x1008
1920x1016
1920x1024
1920x1032
1920x1040
1920x1048
1920x1056
1920x1064
1920x1072
1920x1080


Dean

[VincAlastor]

my girlfriend want to play some blu ray discs from me, of course which i created with multiavchd 4. but her windvd bd edition (pre-installed on her notebook) won't play the discs. no problems with ps3 and tmt 3 ...anyone an idea, please?

[flaviometal]

VincAlastor, I use PowerDVD9, and works fine! ;)

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!

Regarding Build 745, you say: Fixed: HD-DVD now works with all encoding profiles (with the newer x264 builds)
* x264 (32bit and 64bit) updated in the full-download to version r1523M compiled by rack04
* hddvdmux updated in full-download with my patched version (0.33p) for better support of the new x264 builds Does that mean it WILL now properly convert BDs produced with the latest UNALTERED BD-RB build, or am I reading too much into your statements?

[deank]

Well, at least it won't crash :) You can try it and see what will happen. Using --nal-hrd none 100% will make it work.

[setarip_old]

You can try it and see what will happen. Using --nal-hrd none 100% will make it work.
C'mon, which is it ?

[deank]

'Newer x264 builds' in my post about 745 one must read as 'when used by multiAVCHD'. I already answered to your question that the version included in BD-RB won't work with the original hddvdmux. It MAY work with the patched version, and that's why I asked you to check it yourself. I don't have anything produced by BD-RB to test against.

[setarip_old]

@deank

(Sorry to do this here but, as you well know, it's in lieu of email)

I'm going to press you because you're making me feel stupid:

So why would you say/What does this mean?: Using --nal-hrd none 100% will make it work.

[deank]

The start-code format of each h.264 NAL packet in the bitstream produced by these new x264 builds is changed. hddvdmux uses code fragments by an old h264info build, which doesn't really understand these codes.

The builds of x264 I provide with multiAVCHD produce the 'regular' NAL packets and hddvdmux works.

The build included in BD-RB uses these new start-codes. If you use --nal-hrd none the packets will be okay for hddvdmux (but won't be Blu-ray compliant).

You have 2 options:

1) Do your stuff only with multiAVCHD
2) Do your stuff as you did before, but change x264.exe in BD-RB with the one from multiAVCHD.

It is as simple as that ;)

[setarip_old]

2) Do your stuff as you did before, but change x264.exe in BD-RB with the one from multiAVCHD.Thanks for clarifying - this will do the trick just fine ;>}

BTW - I just recently dabbled in menuing for the first time - And one of my grandchildren was delighted to see an opening screen for "Astro Boy' that was personalized with his name emblazoned on the .PNG of the "Astroboy" cover ;>}

Thanks again for your ever-growing multiAVCHD toolbox!

[deank]

:-) Thanks!

***

About Blu-ray to SD-DVD conversion:

* Latest full-download has the latest Muxman 0.16.7
* A minor change for 1080p blu-ray to DVD subtitles: it now uses Hermite resize filter - looks much better choice for downscaling to SD resolution

And an important note to those of you who convert Blu-rays to DVD - when possible always use main movie playlist (mpls) and not the movie m2ts file. It will help fixing weird glitches in the original blu-ray.

Example:

I tried today to convert Cruel Intentions Blu-ray to DVD using the m2ts file. All okay, but during the transcoding all is okay until 7min 4secs and then something happens and to the end of the transcoding I got a still frame (the one @ 00:07:04.223).

After a close examination and remuxing with tsmuxer I noticed an error message "AC3 bad frame @ 00:07:04.223 Resync stream" ... or something similar. It is strange that transcode stucks there since it uses only the video, but still there must be something either in the splitter or ffdshow which causes avisynth to fail in its attempt to seek after this frame.

So I used main movie mpls, which leads to remuxing prior to the transcoding and all went fine :) and in 2hrs I got a DVD copy of the blu-ray title.

Dean :)

// The exact error message was:

Decoding PGS stream (track 3): Resolution: 1280:720 Frame rate: 23.976
7.3% complete
AC3 stream (track 2): bad frame detected at position 00:07:04,223. Resync stream.

[vamsiklak]

The start-code format of each h.264 NAL packet in the bitstream produced by these new x264 builds is changed. hddvdmux uses code fragments by an old h264info build, which doesn't really understand these codes.

The builds of x264 I provide with multiAVCHD produce the 'regular' NAL packets and hddvdmux works.

The build included in BD-RB uses these new start-codes. If you use --nal-hrd none the packets will be okay for hddvdmux (but won't be Blu-ray compliant).

You have 2 options:

1) Do your stuff only with multiAVCHD
2) Do your stuff as you did before, but change x264.exe in BD-RB with the one from multiAVCHD.

It is as simple as that ;)

HI Dean

I have two questions
Iam just wondering i just saw tsmuxer v 19.9 in tools
if we upgrade it to 10.6 does Multiavchd works or any problem not comptable
please help


second one is

I have three files
one is 200mb a
2 nd is 16gb
3rd is 4gb

I want to put all together and create amenu that shows the background pic

title one as preview
2 as movie
3 as extra features
Iam trying to get arrow instead of small box


thankyou in advance

[deank]

HI Dean

I have two questions
Iam just wondering i just saw tsmuxer v 19.9 in tools
if we upgrade it to 10.6 does Multiavchd works or any problem not comptable
please help


second one is ...


About the 1st one: there are both 1.9.9 and 1.10.6 in tools folder. Do not change/replace anything!

About the 2nd one: I read your post few times and I can't really understand it. You'll need to try to explain better.

Dean

// If you want the 'arrow' then you'll have to use version 3.0
// No you can't get a blinking text
// Yes you can make the box invisible by setting IGS opacity in MENU tab.

[vamsiklak]

You mean change the color on mainmenu IG color sub-menu color
Is it possible
I have the text towards right of the screen and i want to move towards where the box icon is
Thankyou so much

[deank]

No, I mean the OPACITY (it is the slider next to the color box).

You can use the preview button [MAIN] in MENU tab to see how your menu will look like. Make the adjustments and once all fits - start your compilation. You can preview the CHAPTERS and SETUP pages, too:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_CI_PREVIEW.jpg

[vamsiklak]

No, I mean the OPACITY (it is the slider next to the color box).

You can use the preview button [MAIN] in MENU tab to see how your menu will look like. Make the adjustments and once all fits - start your compilation. You can preview the CHAPTERS and SETUP pages, too:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_CI_PREVIEW.jpg

Thanyou so much
now it works
excellent man

The last thing
I don't understand it though

Just like in that capture pic
I eliminated the thumbnail,tilte and description next the main thumbnail which i wanted it to

I just want to move the text from right side of the screen to left side when the checker box use to be or in other wordswhere SETUP and CHAPTERS are now in the pic
so that i can click and play the moive or click and play the extra features which i changed the names when i add it toin the media button
catch my point
sorry man
:thanks:

i.e

screen with bacgground pic
play and special feartures right next to the box icon towards left


thnakyou verymuch all the help

[deank]

You have a tab in MENU for BUTTONS. There you can change their positions/coordinates and move them wherever you want. You can do the same for the title-thumbnail (which you disabled), for the SETUP and for the CHAPTER menu.

Please just take a look at the options available, do some tests/preview and you'll find the answer yourself.

[vamsiklak]

You have a tab in MENU for BUTTONS. There you can change their positions/coordinates and move them wherever you want. You can do the same for the title-thumbnail (which you disabled), for the SETUP and for the CHAPTER menu.

Please just take a look at the options available, do some tests/preview and you'll find the answer yourself.

cool
yes Iam playing with those
Thankyou man
you rocks:thanks:

[laserfan]

* A minor change for 1080p blu-ray to DVD subtitles: it now uses Hermite resize filter - looks much better choice for downscaling to SD resolution
Hmmm Dean I had to Google this and can't find very much about it--what inspired this change if I may ask?

[deank]

Well, both my conversions from Blu-ray to DVD made me change the default 'bilinear' (or it was 'bicubic') filter used for resizng in BDsup2sub. Gettng from 1080p to 480p doesn't look very nice with bilinear. Hermite and Mitchel do much better.

Of course if you don't really like it you can resize your subtitles before you start the conversion and use them as external. I may add a drop-down to chose from BDsup2sub resize filters.

Here are some comparisons. (http://www.nobel-joergensen.com/roller/java/entry/downscaling_images_in_java)

[vamsiklak]

Got It
add files
choose the files and under title name I re type the name i want
and i moved forwards yes the text went forward
the same way are we able to change the parameter to go backwards towards the box icon
so on the just plain text will be at left side instead of rightside

sorry man
this is the last time iam going to bother you

thankyou so much

[deank]

You're not bothering me, but I can't understand your posts. Please use '.' and try to express yourself better. :rolleyes:

[vamsiklak]

You're not bothering me, but I can't understand your posts. Please use '.' and try to express yourself better. :rolleyes:

Ok
heres is the thing
Iopened the multiavchd
and i add two/three m2ts files
(in AUTHOR i chose add titles list .xmb menu,popup menu ticked)
in media screen i click the first file to expand the properties under the compilation
it opened to another window,there under the title name
i changed the name
i did with rest two files
and i went to menu and preview the main menu

It shows on the screen
towards rightside there are three titles in text(which i wanted that way)
Just text names but in the rightmost side
I wanted to move those text to rightside of the screen

I hope i explained it correctly

[VincAlastor]

@dean

mpeg-2 menus are working with windvd bd edition. can i encode a static menu with mpeg-2, too?

[deank]

What isn't working with that player?

I set MPEG-2 to be available only for motion menu, but if it will improve compatibility I may try to add it to the static menus, too.

Is it your player or your girlfriend's player that wouldn't play the AVC menus? What make/model was her player?

//edit... oh it was the software one ;)

[VincAlastor]

What isn't working with that player?

I set MPEG-2 to be available only for motion menu, but if it will improve compatibility I may try to add it to the static menus, too.

Is it your player or your girlfriend's player that wouldn't play the AVC menus? What make/model was her player?

it is my girlfriend's player. she uses the vaio vgn-fw11s notebook and the pre-installed bd player is intervideo windvd bd for vaio (picture: http://img.informer.com/wiki/mediawiki/thumb.php?f=WinDVD_BD_for_VAIO.JPG&width=300 )

original blu-rays and your mpeg-2 menu bd's are working.

[VincAlastor]

i knew it.... she just causes me a lot of trouble :D

need a static mpeg-2 menu more than one frame per page? ...my girlfriend isn't important enough, if the disc space is shrinking to much ;)

[deank]

Cool!

I'll try to add the static MPEG-2, too... Let me do some tests tomorrow and I'll post back.

Then as I promised I'll try to lift the 32 seconds limit to a user-defined onel :)

Dean :rolleyes:

[Adub]

@deank,
I have updated the guide to reflect your suggestion about playlist selection.

I hope to have a screencast version up sometime in the next few days (hopefully tonight).

[VincAlastor]

if a blu ray with mpeg-2 menus could be more compatible, the 32-sec-limit isn't important, isn't it?! :(

[deank]

@deank,
I have updated the guide to reflect your suggestion about playlist selection.

I hope to have a screencast version up sometime in the next few days (hopefully tonight).

Thanks! I think it will be a better way to do things and the users reading your guide will get into less troubles! :)

If the user isn't aware which is the main movie playlist it is always a good thing to set Do not import AVCHD/BD playlists if shorter than [****] seconds in Author tab. Setting a value of 3600 for example will make multiAVCHD skip all Blu-ray titles/playlists with duration < 1hr.

If a user is aware of the correct playlist file then one can just load it into multiAVCHD (either with drag&drop or with Add video files button).

if a blu ray with mpeg-2 menus could be more compatible, the 32-sec-limit isn't important, isn't it?! :(

There is a conflict of interests here. Is it the playability or the girlfriend that matters most? :p Or your 3 requests to make the motion menu > 32s? :)

[Capsbackup]

Then as I promised I'll try to lift the 32 seconds limit to a user-defined onel :)
Dean :rolleyes:

This will come in handy when backing up a Blu-Ray to a movie only AVCHD but using the original motion menu. I have been able to shorten the originals to 32 seconds, but sometimes the cut point is not the best, and using the original motion menu .m2ts would be much simpler and faster.
I'm looking forward to this!:)

[VincAlastor]

primary i wish longer custom motion avc menus or a "trailer"-button. but of course if mpeg-2 menus improve the compatibility for software players and maybe some of the critical hardware players, this will be more important for me.

[colinhunt]

What crashes? :)
I never got to find out what exactly was crashing, because when I started multiAVCHD today, it wanted to update to build 745... and that version seems to work fine on my W7 :)

[AJ500]

@Dean

Can you tell from the following, why the audio track is not detected in this m2ts to SD compilation?

[18:10:39] Initialising...
[18:10:39] Checking for new version...
[18:10:40] You have the latest build.
[18:10:40] Consistency check finished!
[18:10:40] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[18:10:40] 1 year and 103 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[18:10:40] 276 people supported it with donations
[18:10:40] and you are the 1437164 one to launch the program...
[18:10:40] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[18:10:40] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[18:12:04] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[18:12:07] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 663932.96 MiB (648.372 GiB) free space
[18:12:07] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 663932.96 MiB (648.372 GiB) free space

[18:12:07] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 745)
[18:12:07] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[18:12:07] Processing one title...
[18:12:10] Processing (H:\multiAVCHD\Sequence 03-27--03-31-2010_XPS630.m2ts)...
[18:12:10] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[18:12:10] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[18:12:10] *** Initiating video encoding:

[18:12:10] *** Original : 1440x1080
[18:12:10] *** Crop : 80
[18:12:10] *** Resize : 720x640
[18:12:10] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[18:12:10] *** Sharpen : 0
[18:12:10] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[18:12:10] *** Frame rate: 23.976 (29.970)
[18:12:11] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[18:12:11] *** Encoding : One pass (VBR) - content: [00:16:08] (MPEG-2 encoder: HCenc)
[18:12:11] *** Sampling : ETA: [00:01:56] until transcode starts
[18:38:19] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[18:39:29] *** Speed : 14.17 fps (elapsed: 00:27:18 - Realtime x 0.59)
[18:39:29] *** Transcoding successful!

[18:39:29] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[18:39:29] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[18:39:29] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[18:39:29] No audio tracks found!
[18:39:29] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[18:39:32] Demuxing 0 subtitle and 1 audio tracks...
[18:39:47] No subtitles demuxed!
[18:39:47] Applying pulldown...
[18:40:59] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[18:40:59] Title contains: 0 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[18:41:40] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[18:41:40] SD-DVD title saved:
...


Here's the MediaInfo from the source m2ts file. The m2ts file was created with tsMuxeR from aac and m4v files

General
ID : 1
Complete name : H:\multiAVCHD\Sequence 03-27--03-31-2010_XPS630.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 1.33 GiB
Duration : 16mn 7s
Overall bit rate : 11.8 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 16mn 7s
Bit rate : 11.1 Mbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.238
Stream size : 1.25 GiB (94%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : LC
Muxing mode : ADTS
Duration : 16mn 8s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 22.2 MiB (2%)

[deank]

AAC audio is not supported for this type of (HD to SD DVD) conversion. Your input files must have DTS, AC3, LPCM, MP2, MP3 or HD audio. AAC audio is a great pain to deal with.

//

MPEG-2 encoding for the static menus is ready :) It was easy. Now to the 32s limit...

[colinhunt]

Dean, what's the trick to get motion menus to work? I've selected default menu type as "motion" and ticked the box titled "Create motion title thumbnail" - and yet the menus come out with only static thumbnails, without any motion to them. What am I missing here?

[deank]

You can't get motion with [AVCHD stirct] output mode. Otherwise it should work.

[colinhunt]

You can't get motion with [AVCHD stirct] output mode. Otherwise it should work.
Well, that explains it. I was trying to output AVCHD strict :) Thanks for the quick reply!

[deank]

I took the things a bit further...

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_BGA_auto.jpg

If the video you're importing for background has an AC3/DTS/LPCM audio as a first track, multiAVCHD will prompt you if you want to use it for background audio. It will eliminate the step to demux it manually. :)

It means that you can import the original blu-ray menu m2ts and multiAVCHD should be able to use its audio, too.

The options for duration limits are: No limit, 32sec, 60sec, 90sec, 120sec, 180 sec, 240sec and 300sec.

No limit means MAX 300 seconds (5 mins of motion menu).

Since it turned out to be quite a task, I was able to modify ONLY the XMB MENU. SLIDE and CAROUSEL will also use the audio from the imported video, but the duration is still limited to 32 seconds. I knew it will come to this sooner or later, when I picked the number 777 for 32sec menu duration back in January :p

Before I go further and change these two styles, please test the XMB one and let me know if you find any bugs.

I tested it with Ghost Rider and Cruel Intentions original menu m2ts files and I have to say it really is a good addition to multiAVCHD. Thanks to the patient ones, who wanted this for long time now.

Dean :rolleyes:

//

Oh, and MPEG-2 encoding is now working both for motion and static menus (main menu only - chapter/setup is still AVC). You can get all this if you update to the latest build.

[colinhunt]

Dean, I've just finished my first "several 720p MKVs into one BD25" compilation with full motion menus and audio. The result is absolutely fantastic! Thank you so much for making this astonishing application.

[deank]

Now if it works in your player it would be really fantastic, wouldn't it? :p

Thanks :)

[colinhunt]

Now if it works in your player it would be really fantastic, wouldn't it :P
Heh, indeed. I tested the output on Arcsoft TMT a moment ago and it worked fine. I'm burning the data on a BD25 right now, and will test it on a few players soon.

update: The disc worked perfectly on two stand-alones and a PS3 Slim.

[deank]

That's good news! Don't try it in a Panny! :)

[VincAlastor]

thank you very much dean! really, thank you.
what do you think, is the playability the reason that commercial bd authoring software just encode mpeg-2 menus, like encore cs4 or dvd-it pro hd or are the reasons caused of expensive licenses?

[deank]

I believe it is the license fee to obtain proper H.264 encoder. Both MPEG-2 and AVC/H.264 should work anyway. But then why the MPEG-2 menu and H.264/AVC main movie... I really don't get it. I'm starting to wonder if anyone even has a Blu-ray disc with AVC menu now... :confused:

I know there is something in the new (ver 4.0 730+ builds) menus which causes some players to refuse multiAVCHD output. I just don't know what it is.


//

Now when you mentioned it... My 2 blu-ray titles use MPEG-2 for menu. In fact I'm not sure how many blu-ray titles use AVC for the main menu. I'll appreciate some feedback from users with a lot of blu-ray titles.

Dean

[colinhunt]

I'll appreciate some feedback from users with a lot of blu-ray titles.
I've got lots. Describe what exactly you need to know, and I'll try to arrange some free time to check it out.

[deank]

Since you already have TMT, please enable the [x] Information tick and check what codec is used when playing the main movie. (-:

[colinhunt]

Since you already have TMT, please enable the [x] Information tick and check what codec is used when playing the main movie. (-:
The main movie? You mean during the main menu, or did I misunderstand?

[Capsbackup]

deank,
Another excellent addition! I will be trying this out as soon as possible. :)

[VincAlastor]

Now when you mentioned it... My 2 blu-ray titles use MPEG-2 for menu. In fact I'm not sure how many blu-ray titles use AVC for the main menu. I'll appreciate some feedback from users with a lot of blu-ray titles.

Dean

mmmhh... i don't know. the most blu ray titles are programmed as bd-j. you know, that standard has other rules than the bdmv standard. i think the best analysis is to proof sonic scenarist.

@ all users
what codec use scenarist for bdmv menu encoding? or have you the choice between mpeg-2, avc and maybe vc-1?

[Adub]

@deank, just finished recording the screencast. Doing some high-end encoding magic w/ x264 at the moment, and then I should have the result up by tomorrow.

[deank]

The main movie? You mean during the main menu, or did I misunderstand?

Yes, the menu - typo :)

deank,
Another excellent addition! I will be trying this out as soon as possible. :)

Let me know if it works :)

@deank, just finished recording the screencast. Doing some high-end encoding magic w/ x264 at the moment, and then I should have the result up by tomorrow.

Thanks again, Adub!

[Emulgator]

Menu encoding:
Sony DVD-A 5.0b Build 180:
You can have AVC menus if you like.
There should be nothing fizzy about MPEG-2 vs MPEG-4 regarding use in 00000.m2ts vs.00001.m2ts

[deank]

What about 00000/00001.m2ts? I don't understand the statement. Anyway, I added MPEG-2 for SETUP and CHAPTER pages, too and I'll publish the build later.

I want to know if there is a software player which don't like ver 4.0 menus so I can test with it.

[Emulgator]

Right. Depends on assignment.
DVD-A has assigned 00000.m2ts for menu stream, 00001.m2ts for main movie,
so I wanted to say that this application (Sony DVD-A) sees (and renders) AVC as useable for menu video.
P.S. And PowerDVD 7.3 is able to play this AVC menu from folder.

[Dolsen]

I took the things a bit further...

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_BGA_auto.jpg

If the video you're importing for background has an AC3/DTS/LPCM audio as a first track, multiAVCHD will prompt you if you want to use it for background audio. It will eliminate the step to demux it manually. :)

It means that you can import the original blu-ray menu m2ts and multiAVCHD should be able to use its audio, too.

Dean :rolleyes:


Hi,

Nice addition to let it pick audio-track from the video, then you can skip having an extra file.

But I have a question: Will this only work from "main" part of the editor, and not from inside a title's own menu template editing?

I tried adding a background video .m2ts with AC3 audio in template editing, but it don't ask if I want to use first audio track from video. It does ask if I want to use first audio track when I try to add the same background video from "main" part of editor.

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

At the moment it works only for the main gui and not for the templates. I'll enable it later today in the templates too.

[drelin]

@ Deank

My all projects with multiavchd 4.0 and menus for AVCHD or BLURAY Discs are been created with H264 codec for menus and played on POWERDVD 7.3 before burn disc and standalone player like as :
Sony BD S350 Pioneer BDP-320 and PS3.
All players works fines with these discs.

I've made a test with mpeg2 codec for menus but I've encounter 2 problems :
- 1st : I see a delay time after play select button and before main movie playback.
I think that the players need to disactivate the mpeg 2 codec and activate the AVC codec to play the main movie (encoded inh264).
It's not a problem linked to multiavchd, I've notified same delay with Encore Cs4 (all menus are encoded in mpeg 2 only).
- 2sd : The quality is too bad for me (macrobloks) for the menus results with mpeg 2

Last thing:
I've encounter a strange result with few projects fo the main motion menu (in H264).
Some time it's perfect and another time the video is very bad with macrobloc
It's strange, because I've not make any modification with the process for import video files compliant for multiavchd menu.
I'll post 2 samples toillustrate this issue : the original mkv file used to import as background video and the m2ts file result afetr compilation by multiavchd

[deank]

- 2nd : The quality is too bad for me (macrobloks) for the menus results with mpeg 2

Last thing:
I've encounter a strange result with few projects fo the main motion menu (in H264).
Some time it's perfect and another time the video is very bad with macrobloc

It is strange because I don't seem to notice such MPEG2 macroblocks. The build I'll publish a bit later will use a bit higher bitrate and may fix the problem.

About the 2nd problem... Is your computer AMD based? Can you check what is the version of x264.exe in your tools folder?

[Capsbackup]

deank;
I have run a couple tests with the new version and motion menu, and have found that the main motion menu and audio are not in sync.
The multiAVCHD motion menu video does not start at the beginning of the clip, but at approx, 4 seconds in from the original on my test. I am using a .ts file for the motion menu.
Also, my motion menu is 30 seconds long, so I tried two seperate tests. The first using the default 32 seconds, and the second using "use as is", but both settings created an out of sync 32 seconds motion menu when playing back the multiAVCHD files in the BDMV folder with MPC as well as the finished project with TMT3.
Should the "use as is" keep the original length of the source motion menu?
Should the default setting of 32 seconds honor the original source length if less than 32 seconds?
My testing was on three .ts clips that were 40:58 seconds long, with the 15 second start for the motion title thumbnails, and that seems to work as before.
My original 30 second motion menu does have audio sync.

EDIT:
Just tried another test with "Do not apply trailer cuts to BG video (use as is) selected, and now the motion menu is in sync and starts at the correct start time. :o
The source 30 seconds is also kept when multiAVCHD completes the project.:o
Sorry Dean, it looks like operator error again! :(

[drelin]

It is strange because I don't seem to notice such MPEG2 macroblocks. The build I'll publish a bit later will use a bit higher bitrate and may fix the problem.

About the 2nd problem... Is your computer AMD based? Can you check what is the version of x264.exe in your tools folder?

No It's a Quad Core Intel processor.
For X264 version : It's x264 core 92 rev 1523M 25ca5b0
With Windows XP 32bit

To illustrate the motion menu results, I've upload
3 Files :

1- Original mkv video file (used to import in multiavchd)
Link : http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmi00zztky3/original motion menu.rar

2- Bad h264 motion menu result m2ts file (with macroblocks particular at start video)
Link : http://www.mediafire.com/file/nmxywmkjjdy/BAD motion menu h264.rar

3- Bad mpeg 2 motion menu result m2ts (with more macroblocks)
link : http://www.mediafire.com/file/02lgy3mjzqd/Bad motion menu mpeg2.rar

And I've upload egally 2 Chapter menu page created in the same compilation project (first & second page of movie chapters)
Link : http://www.mediafire.com/file/qjymynicmmy/chapter menus.rar

See the strange result of the page (bad) and good for the second page.

Maybe it's linked to the frame number used for staitc menu page ? (7 frames) I don't know.

I've just discover this 2 issue this week.
All tests created by lastest version 745 build (with full download).

[deank]

One of x264 developers Dark Shikari published 3 short movies (Elephant's Dream, Big Buck Bunny and a short video "Tall Ship"). If you want to get the demo x264 disc click here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1390416#post1390416) for the doom9 thread.

You can download (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo_disc.torrent) the disc I created if you're using a torrent client (it is 3.4GB).

Here is my post there:

***
I had some time today so I put all 3 movies in a Blu-ray disc compilation. Each video comes with DTS and DTS-HD (HR) audio (and Tallship with AC3, too).

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/x264_demo_disc.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/x264_demo_disc_2.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/x264_demo_disc_3.jpg

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/x264_demo_disc_4.jpg

Of course all done with multiAVCHD (which uses tsMuxeR). All works just fine in software players and Playstation 3.

+ the intro screen :)

The output is ~ 3.5GB but I can put it as a torrent download on my server for those who want to enjoy the quality of HD :)

***

These videos are encoded with high bitrate and may not be suitable for burning to DVD discs and are not 100% AVCHD compliant (because of the DTS audio and the bitrate). Still if you have a PS3 you can enjoy the quality!

[setarip_old]

No dancing girls?

[drelin]

@ Deank
Have you see my post about the samples and the issues with motion menu and chapter menu pages ?

Another request :
A option to desactivate the "close" (return to main menu) in SETUP Menu.
Separate the "color and opacity" option for SETUP and Chapter menu.

THX.

[colinhunt]

For some reason I can't get 64-bit x264.exe to work. 32-bit works fine. I downloaded 64-bit r1532, renamed it x264_64.exe and dropped it into the tools directory. After that I could finally tick the 64-bit box under Settings - but trying to encode anything fails immediately. What else is needed besides the 64-bit x264.exe? 64-bit Avisynth & FFDshow perhaps?

Also, a request: would it be possible to move "shutdown after encode" tickbox out of the output format selection screen, and place it somewhere where it could be accessed while the encode process is running? It would be nice if mAVCHD could then check the status of the tickbox once the process is finished, and act accordingly.

[zoner]

i can confirm that all the lastest features regarding the menu and such are working perfectly :)
tested with pirates of the carribean and law abinding citizen blurays.
thank you!

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!

I just came across something that was driving both multiAVCHD and me up a wall (While trying to convert the "Sleeping Beauty - 50th Anniversary" BluRay main movie .M2TS to HD-DVD), until I discovered what it was:

Not since BluRays first came out have I heard of, let alone seen, the main movie .M2TS include TWO complete movie-only videostreams - one, a conventional 1080p and the other a 720p.

If I remember correctly, this was intended to allow older HDTVs play the BluRays even though they were incapable of a 1080p display.

Somehow, this caused every version of multiAVCHD to grind to a halt, claiming that there were no audiostreams to be processed.

It wasn't until I dropped the .M2TS onto tsMuxeR that I realized what it was comprised of. Using tsMuxeR to remove the 720p videostream eliminated the problem.

Unless my powers of observation have deteriorated even further than I realize, there's no indication of any sort (information or error) made by multiAVCHD to make the user aware of this very infrequent occurence. I'm guessing this anomalous construct could likely also affect the behavior of other multiAVCHD functions.

If I'm correct about this, perhaps you can adjust multiAVCHD so that checks for this and, if necessary, generates a notification.

[deank]

Not since BluRays first came out have I heard of, let alone seen, the main movie .M2TS include TWO complete movie-only videostreams - one, a conventional 1080p and the other a 720p.

Can you please post the information from mediainfo for this m2ts file? multiAVCHD doesn't support more than one video track anyway, and when using main-movie PLAYLIST (as I always advice) it will warn the user of multiple video streams and will print a line which video will be used in the final output.

I'm still not sure why it would cause failure to detect/process the audio. Once I see the mediainfo log (full) I'll know better. :)

[BZeeme]

Not since BluRays first came out have I heard of, let alone seen, the main movie .M2TS include TWO complete movie-only videostreams - one, a conventional 1080p and the other a 720p.
functions.


I came across one movie (can't remember which one) that had 2 complete video streams in the same .M2TS(s) - one 1080p and one 480(i ?).

[deank]

To illustrate the motion menu results, I've upload
3 Files :

See the strange result of the page (bad) and good for the second page.

Maybe it's linked to the frame number used for staitc menu page ? (7 frames) I don't know.

I've just discover this 2 issue this week.
All tests created by lastest version 745 build (with full download).

Okay... It is not that bad. I was thinking of HUUUGE macroblocks. I'm downloading the original background now and will test with some different encoding settings. It may make motion-menu generation a bit slower, but probably will be crisp.

Dean

[Adub]

OK! The video has been posted!

Get it hot off the grill here! http://adubvideo.net/videos/bluray-dvd-multiavchd

[colinhunt]

I did a 12-hour encode last night, only to have it come out something less than perfect. At certain points during playback the image breaks up into massive amount of macroblocking for several seconds. Turns out this was caused by multiAVCHD splitting output m2ts files into chunks of 4GB. While testing mAVCHD earlier, I had replaced the default values for media fit and m2ts split with 24050 - simply to make sure files are not split unnecessarily when outputting for BD25 - but before running this 12-hour encode, I typed in the original default values (or what I remembered to be the default values) and entered 4096 as m2ts split size. I'm not entirely sure why I did that, actually :)

OK, so that's another user error, certainly... but I would still question the logic of "Media (m2ts) split at (MB)" setting taking precedence over file sizes allowed under UDF2.50.

In another words, when the user clicks "Start" and selects "Blu-ray for BD-R/RE disc", multiAVCHD should bypass the value set for "Media (m2ts) split at (MB)" and forget all about FAT32 compatibility. Since the output target is a BD-R/RE, you can assume target file system will be UDF2.50 and there's no need to split m2ts files.

[deank]

This can by no means be caused by file splitting. It doesn't affect neither encoding, nor playback nor anything.

I'd suggest to use the versions of x264 included in multiAVCHD and not replace with other builds. I'll also suggest that you use the 32bit version if you have problems with the 64bit.

[deank]

2- Bad h264 motion menu result m2ts file (with macroblocks particular at start video)

I changed some of the encoding settings in multiAVCHD. Motion menu now looks very well.

There is a new option in MENU/Extended:

[x] Use high quality setting for motion menu

which is ON by default. It will produce quite better output than before (with the option unticked), but of course will take a bit more time and will be a bit bigger in size.

MPEG-2 encoding is also improved, although it can't reach the quality of x264 with the new option enabled.

You can update to get the new option. Please post back your observations.

Dean

[colinhunt]

This can by no means be caused by file splitting. It doesn't affect neither encoding, nor playback nor anything.
Hmm. I'm fairly certain the first instance of macroblocking takes place at the end of the first 4GB chunk... but I'll double-check.

I'd suggest to use the versions of x264 included in multiAVCHD and not replace with other builds. I'll also suggest that you use the 32bit version if you have problems with the 64bit.
Yeah, for some reason I can't run the 64bit version at all; the process is over in a second, like multiAVCHD couldn't run x264_64.exe at all. I dunno, it's weird.

So are you saying the latest official revision (1523) is somehow incompatible with the settings multiAVCHD uses for encoding? I figured since it works fine with BD-Rebuilder, it's safe to use with multiAVCHD as well. Well, live and learn, I guess :)

[deank]

OK! The video has been posted!

Get it hot off the grill here! http://adubvideo.net/videos/bluray-dvd-multiavchd

That was a nice one :) I really enjoyed watching it... And - yeah - pronouncing 'multiAVCHD' is quite a pain, too :)

So are you saying the latest official revision (1523) is somehow incompatible with the settings multiAVCHD uses for encoding? I figured since it works fine with BD-Rebuilder, it's safe to use with multiAVCHD as well. Well, live and learn, I guess :)

I don't know what version that is, but if you compare the filesizes you'll notice that both x264 included in multiAVCHD are ~800kb (and not 6-7MB).

Dean

[colinhunt]

I don't know what version that is, but if you compare the filesizes you'll notice that both x264 included in multiAVCHD are ~800kb (and not 6-7MB).
There was originally only one x264 included with the multiAVCHD; I had to add the 64bit version (from x264.nl) manually in the tools directory. But yeah, you're correct, the new versions are significantly larger than the one that came with multiAVCHD. Why is that, by the way?

[deank]

In the full download of multiAVCHD you'll find:

x264.exe (32bit)
x264_64.exe (64bit)
mx264.exe (32bit for static menu encoding)
hx264.exe (32bit) (I won't say what this one is for :p)

First two are r1523 and are this big (~800kb) because they are not compiled with ffmpeg/ffms2, which are not used by multiAVCHD anyway. Also, both builds are compiled with different nal-hrd support.

There is a reason for everything I put in the tools folder.

Dean

[colinhunt]

In the full download of multiAVCHD you'll find
Looks like I'll have to re-download multiAVCHD; I guess the version I originally downloaded is an old one as it doesn't have all the tools. Thanks Dean!

[deank]

deank,
Another excellent addition! I will be trying this out as soon as possible. :)

Caps :) I couldn't resist but to reencode my PlanetEarth motion menus with the new High quality setting. It looks astonishing and just like you I rarely play the episodes, but staring at the menus :)

+ probably in the next (DAT) update the default menu sound will be replaced with 6ch AC3 - sounds much better than the 2ch which is now included.

:) Dean

[Capsbackup]

Caps :) I couldn't resist but to reencode my PlanetEarth motion menus with the new High quality setting. It looks astonishing and just like you I rarely play the episodes, but staring at the menus :)

+ probably in the next (DAT) update the default menu sound will be replaced with 6ch AC3 - sounds much better than the 2ch which is now included.

:) Dean

I am considering this too, only substituting the original one, which is 1:37 seconds and is 124MB, with my 32 second created slide show motion menu/audio. And I left myself room just in case. :p
Currently I am recording the 11 episodes of Life, 1080i from Discovery, since I can't wait until June when the Blu-Ray is released.:)
I already made a custom motion menu, now just the last 5 episodes to do! :cool:
This one will go on BD-RE though, since I despise the logos and cutting the commercials leaves some to be desired. Besides, if they release it with 1080P, it will be better quality and another opportunity to create an awesome 1 disc backup! ;)

[deank]

Latest 746 requires DAT update.

You can download it here (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/datupdate/) if you don't want to download the complete package.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

When the .MPLS is used, here is what multiAVCHD shows, followed by what tsMuxeR shows:

multiAVCHD

[11:00:15] *** Scanning playlist (00049.mpls). Please wait...
[11:00:16] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[11:00:16] *** Detected main-path : [00:00:11.650]
[11:00:19] *** Detected media file: [00048.m2ts, 01:15:10.080] (17510 MiB)
[11:00:19] *** Playitem size exceeds split point of 9999 MiB (set in Author tab).
[11:00:19] *** Playlist marked for full processing mode. (split/join)
[11:00:19] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:01:47.315;00:02:57.844;00:04:55.461;00:05:51.059;00:07:37.790;00:09:54.927;00:11:44.078;00:15:43.317;00:17:47.316;00:22:40.525;00:24:15.453;00:25:34.783;00:29:42.280;00:33:04.357;00:36:01.951;00:40:21.877;00:44:22.159;00:46:40.005;00:48:26.570;00:52:09.126;00:53:43.261;00:56:33.723;00:58:51.194;01:02:10.977;01:05:25.046;01:07:44.810;01:08:49.875;01:10:45.491;01:12:24.548;01:15:09.838
[11:00:19] *** Playlist duration : 01:15:10 (17510 MiB)


tsMuxeR

E:\_NewBluRayTest\SleepingBeauty\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00049.mpls (01:15:10.087)
++ E:\_NewBluRayTest\SleepingBeauty\BDMV\STREAM\00048.m2ts (01:15:10.087)


[I]BTW - I just observed the same structure in the BluRay of "U571" - BUT in this case, the lower res secondary videostream is the PIP video!

[deank]

You'll get the info once the processing starts, not during the import... :) I'll see about it if you send me the info I asked for.

[colinhunt]

Please add a warning for the user if project settings require a PAL->NTSC slowdown or NTSC->PAL speedup.

I tried to compile two episodes of Life on one BD25 from 1080i50 original, and forgot to change TV system setting from NTSC to PAL. I only noticed something was wrong when the processing was almost done after 5 hours of encoding...

Something else to report, actually. Same project:


[21:55:47] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[21:55:47] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[21:55:47] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[21:55:47] Trying to demux audio...
[22:30:53] Parsing to NicAudio/aften (avisynth)...
[22:31:05] DELETE EXCEPTION: Should not touch file! (c:\temp\mavchd_temp\multitemp-20100411\00107.m2ts.t2.ac3.mpa)
[22:31:05] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[22:31:05] All tries to demux/encode audio failed!


Only audio on disc is DTS-HD HR (i.e. DTS-HRA) which multiAVCHD tried to re-encode into AC3, very likely because it had already done a PAL->NTSC slowdown to video.

[deank]

What output did you select? It looks like SD-DVD or HD-DVD or Viera... I can't see why otherwise HD audio will be downconverted to AC3... Also you have the settings in Subtitles&Audio tab.

If you're in PAL region you shouldn't worry if you selected NTSC, because most players support it already.

I can't add warnings for everything... How would I know what a user wants or forgot to select?

Still the log you posted is disturbing... I'll appreciate if you email me the complete log and the .mpf file.

[colinhunt]

What output did you select?
Output was BD-R/RE; BD25 was selected in the "Fit all" dialog.

If you're in PAL region you shouldn't worry if you selected NTSC, because most players support it already.
It's not a question of support, it's a question of slowing framerate down from 25fps to 24fps. I really don't want to see any framerate conversions when outputting to BD25.

I can't add warnings for everything... How would I know what a user wants or forgot to select?
You can't, I know. But messing with the framerate is a big deal. I honestly don't think multiAVCHD should do that unless making sure the user really wants it.

[colinhunt]

Still the log you posted is disturbing... I'll appreciate if you email me the complete log and the .mpf file.
OH SH..... I think I know why audio conversion failed. When setting up the project, I didn't want multiAVCHD to mess with the audio in any way (like I wouldn't have wanted it to mess about with framerate either :) ) - so I unticked the "Use eac3to" box under Audio conversion settings. But since framerate got changed, multiAVCHD probably wanted to re-encode audio despite the fact that audio was DTS-HRA. What a mess I managed to create :)

[Adub]

That was a nice one :) I really enjoyed watching it... And - yeah - pronouncing 'multiAVCHD' is quite a pain, too :)

Dean

I'm glad you liked it! I hope to pump out more and more tutorials for as long as I can (should see a spike over summer if I can get my sorry ass out of my oh-so-wonderful bed).

[deank]

Would you be kind and PM me how can I create such video-tutorials. I plan on creating one which covers most of the things in multiAVCHD.

[Adub]

PM sent.

[svgame]

my created slide show motion menu/audio limit 32 second,could fix it deank! thanks you

[deank]

32sec limit applies to SLIDE and CAROUSEL.

XMB menu doesn't have that limit.

[drelin]

@ Deank

Hello, thank for the update.

I've tested output with new setting for Motion menu and it's very better than before :)
Just on "complex scenes" video, I can see few "mosaic blocks" (see picture)
Maybe with a little more bitrate or more accuracy for complex scene in encoding settings, you can obtain perfect quality.

Other way, it's add a option "no reencode video background" (just mux elements to create menu).

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9109/badwithartefacts.jpg

For the Chapter page menu I repost 2 sample pictures :
1- Preview picture of 1st chapter page, we can see on multiavcd "preview" before compilation.
2- Screen capture of 1st chapter page menu after compilation on 80011.m2ts file.

You can see the big difference of quality.
N.B : the 2st chapter page is well with all textures.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1726/badrenderingnotexture.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7061/previewpicturewithcorre.jpg

[deank]

I created the same compilation and I didn't see such big difference.

And about the macroblocks with Legolas - check your MKV - you'll see that the macroblocks are in your ORIGINAL MKV file.. :)

[drelin]

I created the same compilation and I didn't see such big difference.

And about the macroblocks with Legolas - check your MKV - you'll see that the macroblocks are in your ORIGINAL MKV file.. :)

OK, I've saw the macroblocks on original Trailer video (and composed mokv file use for menu).
Sorry, the motion men is well now :)

But for chapter menu I can understand why a page menu is well and a other is not correct (It's seem that last frames are not encoded/decode correctly) ?
On static menu like SETUP the rendering is well.

[deank]

Download this multiAVCHD_drelin.rar (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_drelin.rar) and test the chapter menu. Don't update if asked. If it is okay I'll publish it as an official build.

[drelin]

Download this multiAVCHD_drelin.rar (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_drelin.rar) and test the chapter menu. Don't update if asked. If it is okay I'll publish it as an official build.

It's perfect all CHAPTER menu page are well :)

Thank a lot.
All work fine now :)

If you can later, can you make seaprate settings for "color" and "opacity" for SETUP / CHAPTER menu IGS.

And other request, Settings for x/y values for "close" button (return to menu) in SETUP menu
And same request for group button "< > x" in chapter page ?

[deank]

I read your request about that. It is not that easy, but I'll see about it when I have time.

Did you download the _drelin.rar with .exe stamped @:46min? Because I improved it a bit more... No bframes, now + rclookahead is changed and... it looks good. + the SETUP menu is better, too.

[drelin]

I read your request about that. It is not that easy, but I'll see about it when I have time.

Did you download the _drelin.rar with .exe stamped @:29min? Because I improved it a bit more... No bframes, now + rclookahead is changed and... it looks good.

I redownload and make a other test with report :)

[deank]

Ok.. download it now @:46 and check it. :)

[drelin]

It works well :)
All menus are fine now.

I'll create the menus (in internationnal version only with english text) for the this trilogy and post the packages with video menu backgorund for all.

[colinhunt]

A note about BD compatibility: 1080p25 is not officially a part of the Blu-ray standard. The UK release of Life has 1080i50 content, but multiAVCHD's BD output created files that are 1080p25. Players don't have to support that so this could be an issue at some point.

About the massive macroblocking issue I mentioned earlier: macroblocking takes place in sections where the original's VC-1 bitrate is very high, i.e. close to 40mbps.

[deank]

You're right... The next update (in few mins) will have that changed, along with the new motion-menu encoding settings.

[deank]

Now all resolutions are encoded properly:

1920x1080x59.94i, 50i
1440x1080x59.94i, 50i
720x480x59.94i
720x576x50i

[colinhunt]

Now all resolutions are encoded properly
That's very cool (and fast work, too), thanks.

Any idea about the macroblocking? It's very likely nothing to do with multiAVCHD; it's probably caused by something in the encoding path choking up because of high bitrates. FFDshow's video decoder config lists "wmv9" for VC-1 on my encoding PC. What route does the video data take from there on to x264.exe, i.e. what software could be messing it up?

[deank]

If it looks okay when played via ffdshow then nothing interferes with, but the encoding parameters in x264.

What profile did you use? Can you post the information (from mediainfo) about the parameters?

[colinhunt]

If it looks okay when played via ffdshow then nothing interferes with, but the encoding parameters in x264.
I tried to play the original file with MPC-HC (32-bit v1.3.1249.0) and once the episode hit the section with those high bitrates, image glitched like crazy, and started repeating the same few frames while audio played normally. However, this was with MPC-HC's internal VC-1 filter enabled.

I then disabled MPC-HC's internal filter and switched FFDshow VC-1 decoding to "disabled", and MPC-HC played the high bitrate section without glitches (although it was skipping frames the whole time).

Next I switched FFDshow VC-1 decoding to "wmv9" and played the file in MPC-HC again. It was dropping frames again, but high bitrate section played fine.

Switching FFDshow decoding to "libavcodec" resulted in playback not working at all.

What profile did you use? Can you post the information (from mediainfo) about the parameters?
By profile you mean which multiAVCHD output profile? BD25, 2-pass normal, for BD-R/RE.

Which parameters, from the original file or from the encoded file?

[deank]

Well... just try to encode it with the setting that doesn't cause the glitches... I believe frame-drops won't occur during the transcoding, because it is not in realtime anyway.

[colinhunt]

Well... just try to encode it with the setting that doesn't cause the glitches..
I did. FFDshow was set for "wmv9" which didn't cause glitches when original file was played with MPC-HC. And yet the glitches are there in the encode. Oh well...

[flaviometal]

It works well
All menus are fine now.

I'll create the menus (in internationnal version only with english text) for the this trilogy and post the packages with video menu backgorund for all.

Just waiting for your menus, drelin ;)

[deank]

Latest full package includes:

x264 0.93.1538M bd72d46 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264.rar)
built on Apr 12 2010, gcc: 4.4.3 (x86.core2.Komisar), compiled by rack04 (300KB download / 32bit version / long nal hrd start-code support).

Dean

[Capsbackup]

The UK release of Life has 1080i50 content


That's dissapointing to hear! The US version is not released until June, and I can hope it's 1080P.:cool:
Well, for the time being, I will create and watch my HD TV captured, 1080i, authored with multiAVCHD with custom made motion menu! :)

[deank]

Here we go with another version of the x264 demo disc:

No one said anything about the previous one (although 40 people downloaded it), so I decided to create it again with the new videos. :rolleyes:

Torrent file (3GB) (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/AVCHD_ready_x264_demo_disc.torrent)

This one has the intro on first playback, motion menu for all titles + motion video thumbs, simple pop-up menu for each title and a title-list menu.

Intro:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_intro.jpg

Title-list:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_titlelist.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_chap.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t2_main.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_chap.jpg

Main menu / Setup:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_setup.jpg

Pop-up menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_popup.jpg

Dean

[colinhunt]

That's dissapointing to hear!
Well, it is a BBC show, and they shoot these documentaries on video and mostly in 1080i50, in some cases 1080p25. And since Blu-ray does not support 1080p25, we're stuck with 1080i50. I don't think there's anything wrong with that; no detail is lost, after all. I'd go as far as to say that the UK release is superior to US framerate-converted 1080p24 release.

[zoner]

one small thing, i made a compilation with 3 videos checking high quality menu and fitting all to DVD5. it resulted aprox. 300mb too big.
is it because i selected the better quality encoding?

[deank]

Yes... a main manu page occupies ~25-30MB... each chapter/setup page another 2-4MBs... so usually ~50MB per title in the best case. More chapter pages - more space.. + a bit of miscalculation of the final size.. and there you go.

[zoner]

thought so, thanks for the quick answer :)

[drelin]

3 new graphic package for the the great Heroic Fantasy Trilogy are ready :), you can find the link here :
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=903&p=6774#p6774

[Oldfart13]

Just a quick question as I haven't been playing with this software much. It does a nice job with converting MKVs to AVCHD but can it convert a ASS or SSA subtitle to SRT and integrate that file into the finished AVCHD? I've been trying to do this for several months with foreign language programs with no success. I downloaded and tried a lot of programs but the subs simply don't want to display on my Curtis DVD 1102 (Momitsu 799 clone). I'm not giving up yet so I'll try this program of yours as well. The Curtis will only display SRT subs in an MKV and then only outside the MKV container. Such a pain to have to rip them everytime I get something new. The support for the Curtis is spotty so I can't tell exactly what the machine will support unless I try different discs and file formats.

Thank you for some great software....

[deank]

Usually multiAVCHD will extract the SSA/ASS subtitles and then convert them to SRT and will mux in the final AVCHD as PGS.

[grandmasta]

Hi dean, I have a little problem. when I select the chapter, I see no preview images, but only black images. can you please tell me what the reason is? I work with m2ts-files.

thank you

[deank]

You need the proper decoders/filters/splitters to get it all working + you need avisynth.

All tools are available here: http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

[deank]

Two things worth mentioning:

* With the extensive help from strad who is burning like 20 DVDs a day to help me with the compatibility issues between ver 4.0 and Panasonic/Samsung players - we've got to a point where the new menus will at least SHOW and won't make the player reject the disc. I'll update you when there is news about that and the [AVCHD strict] button will be gone :). (hopefully very soon)

* There are these new super-duper cool HD camcoders from Panasonic (like Panasonic HDC-TM700, released couple of months ago) which shoot non-compliant HD AVCHD videos (1080p@60fps and 1080p@50fps).

These camcoders have the option to 'save' the recording either as original 1080p(60fps/50fps) or as internally converted AVCHD compliant 1080i(30fps/25fps). The former of course once saved to your PC's HDD cannot be put back in the camcoder (the software doesn't allow you to do so).

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/product_media/39045382/image1/200x150-tm700_angle.jpg (http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders/0,39029967,49305229,00.htm?s_cid=83)

Too bad, for the reviewer @ cnet (http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders/0,39029967,49305229,00.htm?s_cid=83)didn't know about multiAVCHD and the camcoder got 'blamed', because as they said "...a PlayStation 3 console with its famous Cell processor and Full HD support gave us even worse results (n.e compared to other playback devices). Pans, zooms and practically any on-screen movement were rendered as a spluttering, stuttering mess..." - completely false... or probably they can't make difference between playing a .MTS file and AVCHD... What a shame. All looked great when I played the (!)1080p60fps AVCHD in my old PAL PS3. :)

Now, after a test with a HDC-TM700 owner (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1129), we managed to get the original 1080p60fps source back into the camcoder without any issues, allowing you to backup your recordings in their original format (1080p) and to be be able to put them back in the camcoder for playback at any time. That's why in one of the next builds there will be two more output buttons to select authoring mode for such HD camcoders:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_new_cam_output.jpg

[grandmasta]

You need the proper decoders/filters/splitters to get it all working + you need avisynth.

All tools are available here: http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17
thanks for the quick response. I installed everything again, but nothing is happening. I also had the same thing with a different film. what could be the problem?

[flaviometal]

3 new graphic package for the the great Heroic Fantasy Trilogy are ready :), you can find the link here :
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=903&p=6774#p6774

Thank you so much, drelin!

[Dolsen]

Hi,

Nice addition to let it pick audio-track from the video, then you can skip having an extra file.

But I have a question: Will this only work from "main" part of the editor, and not from inside a title's own menu template editing?

I tried adding a background video .m2ts with AC3 audio in template editing, but it don't ask if I want to use first audio track from video. It does ask if I want to use first audio track when I try to add the same background video from "main" part of editor.

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

At the moment it works only for the main gui and not for the templates. I'll enable it later today in the templates too.

Hi again,

Template settings now accepts to use audio from video file as in main gui, thanks for adding this.

But I noticed the following: When you save the template, it makes two files from the input video file, one for background usage and one for audio usage. This results in double storage-usage for the template.

This is my template folder, after saving:
159MB bg-video.m2ts
159MB bg-audio.m2ts (AC3 part is only 1,2MB if demuxed)
4MB bg-chaps.png
4MB bg-setup.png
multiAVCHD.mmt


Is it not possible to make the template use same video file from template folder for motion background and motion background audio? Perhaps a "bg-mixed".[extention] or a setting-field in the "multiAVCHD.mmt" that informs use "bg-video" for audio also.

If not, perhaps some sort of file-link to avoid double storage-usage in the template folder?

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

Yep, good idea. Either way, the template-window need more additions and fixes and I'll add that one too.

Thanks!

Dean

[Adub]

Yo Dean!

A user contacted me through my website after he saw the screencast that I put up.

He seems to be having some issues while converting some of his camcorder content to AVCHD. He sent me a sample, and it appears to be a problem with the audio or at least extracting the audio.

Here is a link to the sample file: http://www.mediafire.com/file/5tmntnza2kj
And here is my project file for the sample file: http://mirror.adubvideo.net/project.mpf

I think it's a problem with extracting the audio, as the container is .mov, and it looks like multiAVCHD tries to use mkvextract, which I'm not sure works on .mov files.

Any ideas?

Edit: Yep, seems to be a demuxing issue or similar, as I can load the audio just fine using the following avisynth script:
ffaudiosource("MVI_4382.MOV", track=1)

Oh, and did you get my PM?

[deank]

I have no problem processing the MOV either with transcoding (which is required) or without it. multiAVCHD re-packs the MOV as MP4, that's why you would see mkvextract/mkvmerge. You can advice him to rename the mov to mp4 and try again. Still he needs to transcode because the properties of this file are way out of AVCHD specs.

Yep, I got your PM :)

[deank]

The latest update got these two new output mode selection buttons [1080p@50fps] and [1080p@60fps]. They should be used by camcoder users, who wish to transfer non-AVCHD compliant recordings from PC back to their camcoders. These two modes should not be used for other purposes, but for direct transfer from PC to a camcoder, although PS3 plays the structure without a problem. Have in mind that the structure contains parameters outside Blu-ray and AVCHD specifications and may not work in pre-2010 camcoder models or regular AVCHD players.

Also it is now possible to load elementary MPEG-2 file (m2v) and mark it for [transcoding].

Dean

[Beatnut]

when i already processed a compilation, i cant add subtitles aftewards when i open the multiavchd project file, all the boxes are greyed out, why?

i need to add a subittle without haveing to reencode the .mkv

[deank]

Click the [full mode] / [fast mode] button.

[Beatnut]

It works! Thanks for the fast reply

[rack04]

Dean, I'll fire some new x264 builds your way soon.

[soneca]

I also have the same problem with this type of file generated by these cameras ...
And the problem is actually the audio extraction.

Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : sowt
Duration : 1mn 8s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 705.6 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 5.78 MiB (3%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2009-09-13 01:29:14
Tagged date : UTC 2009-09-13 01:29:14


[09:06:05] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[09:08:08] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[09:08:09] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 278654.63 MiB (272.124 GiB) free space
[09:08:09] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 987284.63 MiB (964.145 GiB) free space

[09:08:09] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[09:08:09] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc) [Restricted]

[09:08:09] Processing one title...
[09:08:10] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[09:08:10] Processing Quicktime video (E:\VIDEOS MKV\MVI0006.MOV)...
[09:08:10] Endian: little
[09:08:10] Track has 1 channels.
[09:08:10] Sampling: 44100
[09:08:10] Resolution: 16
[09:08:10] Format: PCM
[09:08:10] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[09:08:11] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[09:08:11] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[09:08:12] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[09:08:12] Extracting V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC video (mplayer)...
[09:08:13] Completed successfully!
[09:08:13] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[09:08:13] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[09:08:13] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@15.5 Resolution: 506:508i Frame rate: not found
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=30

PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:05.666;00:00:11.333;00:00:17.000;00:00:22.666;00:00:28.333;00:00:34.000;00:00:39.666;00:00:45.333;00:00:51.000;00:00:56.666;00:01:02.333 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI0006.MOV.264", insertSEI, contSPS, fps=30.000
A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd_temp\multitemp-20100415\mvi0006.ac3"
===============================================================================

[09:08:26] MOV processing failed!
[09:08:26] Switching processing mode. Stand-by for re-processing...

[09:08:26] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:7).
[09:08:26] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1280x720, fps=30.000, ref=0
[09:08:26] Detected audio: ID#2:A_PCM (44100Hz 16bit 1ch) Language: und
[09:08:26] Attempting to convert A_PCM audio track #2...
[09:08:26] Extracting audio track #2 (mkvextract)...
[09:08:26] Converting PCM audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[09:08:26] eac3to didn't succeed... Trying to add as is!
[09:08:26] Added audio: A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
[09:08:26] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[09:08:26] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:05.666;00:00:11.333;00:00:17.000;00:00:22.666;00:00:28.333;00:00:34.000;00:00:39.666;00:00:45.333;00:00:51.000;00:00:56.666;00:01:02.333 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "E:\VIDEOS MKV\MVI0006.MOV", insertSEI, contSPS, track=1, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=30.000
A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
===============================================================================
[09:08:26] If processing fails, try to rename your .MOV file to .MP4!!

[09:08:26] tsMuxeR failed to process [E:\VIDEOS MKV\MVI0006.MOV]...
[09:08:26] No compatible folders/files processed...

[deank]

Mono audio?

Can you rename it to .mp4 and try it again?

[deank]

Dean, I'll fire some new x264 builds your way soon.

Thanks!

Did you test the 64bit version, because few users complained about it. I don't know if it is okay, because I don't have a 64bit system.

[soneca]

Already renamed, the error continues.
These small cameras that record in hd usually generate this audio.
Mine is this one > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=19027#ModelTechSpecsAct

[deank]

Upload a sample so I can take a look at it.

[rack04]

Thanks!

Did you test the 64bit version, because few users complained about it. I don't know if it is okay, because I don't have a 64bit system.

I use an unpatched version of x264 64bit on my home pc loaded with Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit. The only difference is the long nal hrd start code support patch. I have no clue if this is causing the error. Have the people who are having problems reported them to the devs?

[Oldfart13]

Usually multiAVCHD will extract the SSA/ASS subtitles and then convert them to SRT and will mux in the final AVCHD as PGS.

Thank you! I will try this.

[deank]

Two things worth mentioning:

* With the extensive help from strad who is burning like 20 DVDs a day to help me with the compatibility issues between ver 4.0 and Panasonic/Samsung players - we've got to a point where the new menus will at least SHOW and won't make the player reject the disc. I'll update you when there is news about that and the [AVCHD strict] button will be gone :). (hopefully very soon)

It seems that the latest firmware updates for Samsung fixed the issues with multiAVCHD. Now we wait for Panasonic (no high hopes though) :)

[Adub]

Huh, yeah, still having problems.

Tested with the latest update (746+).

Here is the resulting log:
[09:36:30] Initialising...
[09:36:30] Checking for new version...
[09:36:34] You have the latest build.
[09:36:34] Consistency check finished!
[09:36:34] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[09:36:34] 1 year and 110 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[09:36:34] 280 people supported it with donations
[09:36:34] and you are the 1487709 one to launch the program...
[09:36:34] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[09:36:34] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[09:37:52] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[09:37:52] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 90374.84 MiB (88.257 GiB) free space
[09:37:52] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 90374.84 MiB (88.257 GiB) free space

[09:37:52] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[09:37:52] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc) [Restricted]

[09:37:52] Processing one title...
[09:37:53] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[09:37:53] Processing Quicktime video (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\tests\lawrence\MVI_4382.MOV)...
[09:37:53] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[09:37:53] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[09:37:53] *** Initiating video encoding:

[09:37:53] *** Original : 1920x1088
[09:37:53] *** Crop : 4
[09:37:53] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[09:37:53] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[09:37:53] *** Sharpen : 0
[09:37:53] *** Bitrate : 2500 kbps
[09:37:53] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[09:37:53] *** Level : 4
[09:37:53] *** B-frames : 3
[09:37:53] *** Ref-frames: 4
[09:37:53] *** GOP size : 48 (keyframe min. each 4 frames)
[09:37:53] *** Quality : One pass (normal quality)
[09:37:53] *** SAR : 1:1
[09:37:53] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[09:37:53] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[09:37:53] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[09:37:53] *** Encoding : x264 options: --bitrate 2500 --keyint 48 --level 4 --min-keyint 4 --ref 4 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --weightb --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14500 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --trellis 0 --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 48 --output "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-093753-uncrop-running.avs"
[09:38:12] *** Speed : 12.81 fps (elapsed: 00:00:18 - Realtime x 0.53)

[09:38:12] *** Transcoding successful!

[09:38:12] Detected frame reference count: 3 (max:4).
[09:38:12] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=3
[09:38:12] Detected audio: ID#2:A_PCM (48000Hz 16bit 2ch) Language: und
[09:38:12] Attempting to convert A_PCM audio track #2...
[09:38:12] Extracting audio track #2 (mkvextract)...
[09:38:12] Converting PCM audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[09:38:12] eac3to didn't succeed... Trying to add as is!
[09:38:12] Added audio: A_LPCM, "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
[09:38:12] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[09:38:12] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:00.833;00:00:01.666;00:00:02.500;00:00:03.333;00:00:04.166;00:00:05.000;00:00:05.833;00:00:06.666;00:00:07.500;00:00:08.333;00:00:09.166 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264", insertSEI, contSPS, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=23.976
A_LPCM, "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
===============================================================================

[09:38:13] tsMuxeR failed to process [C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\tests\lawrence\MVI_4382.MOV]...
[09:38:13] No compatible folders/files processed...


Changing the file extension to .mp4 still gives me the same problem.

I'm able to complete the conversion by hand if I use the ffaudiosource script that I mentioned earlier and create an external AAC track. Then I remove the internal audio track, replace it with my shiny new AAC track, and everything proceeds just fine.

[deank]

Ok.. Probably because I have [-] Convert LPCM to AC3 disabled...

[11:48:57] Initialising...
[11:48:57] Checking for new version...
[11:48:57] New version/build found!
[11:48:57] Latest web version is: 4.0 (build 746)
[11:48:57] Download from: http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiavchd.exe
[11:48:57] Consistency check finished!
[11:48:57] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[11:48:57] 1 year and 110 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[11:48:57] 280 people supported it with donations
[11:48:57] and you are the 1485157 one to launch the program...
[11:48:57] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[11:48:57] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[11:49:50] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[11:49:50] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 13992.67 MiB (13.665 GiB) free space
[11:49:50] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 13992.67 MiB (13.665 GiB) free space

[11:49:50] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[11:49:50] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[11:49:50] Processing one title...
[11:49:50] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[11:49:51] Processing Quicktime video (D:\Downloads\MVI_4382.MOV)...
[11:49:51] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[11:49:51] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[11:49:51] *** Initiating video encoding:

[11:49:51] *** Original : 1920x1088
[11:49:51] *** Crop : 8 bottom
[11:49:51] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[11:49:51] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[11:49:51] *** Sharpen : 0
[11:49:51] *** Bitrate : 6000 kbps
[11:49:51] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[11:49:51] *** Level : 4
[11:49:51] *** Quality : One pass (insane)
[11:49:51] *** SAR : 1:1
[11:49:51] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[11:49:51] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[11:49:51] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[11:49:51] *** Encoding : x264 options: ...
[11:50:00] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[11:50:15] *** Speed : 9.8 fps (elapsed: 00:00:24 - Realtime x 0.41)

[11:50:15] *** Transcoding successful!

[11:50:15] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:4).
[11:50:15] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=0
[11:50:15] Detected audio: ID#2:A_LPCM (48000Hz 16bit 2ch) Language: eng
[11:50:15] Added audio: A_LPCM, "D:\Downloads\MVI_4382.MOV", track=2, lang=eng, timeshift=0ms
[11:50:15] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[11:50:15] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[11:50:15] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
Change H264 level from 4 to 4.1
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Processed 260 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 3 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=... --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264", insertSEI, contSPS, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=23.976
A_LPCM, "D:\Downloads\MVI_4382.MOV", track=2, lang=eng, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[11:50:18] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[11:50:18] Processing playlist...
[11:50:18] Title #1 added: "MVI 4382"
[11:50:18] Verifying title...
[11:50:20] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[11:50:20] Preparing authoring information...


[11:50:20] Preparing menu pages...
[11:50:21] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[11:50:21] Loop mode after last title.
[11:50:21] Playback will start with title #1 (MVI 4382).
[11:50:21] Setting menu properties...
[11:50:21] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[11:50:21] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[11:50:21] Completed.
[11:50:24] Done!

[11:50:24] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[11:50:24] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_t4\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. MVI 4382 [00:00:10]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:00:10
Output size : 8 MiB (0.008 GiB)

[Adub]

Ah, okay, I can confirm that it is working with out the "LPCM to AC3".

However, I have a bug to report.

It appears that processing the same input clip a second time without closing multiAVCHD results in a complete and total mixup.

[10:08:17] Initialising...
[10:08:17] Checking for new version...
[10:08:18] You have the latest build.
[10:08:18] Consistency check finished!
[10:08:18] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

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[10:08:18] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[10:09:25] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[10:09:26] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 90370.68 MiB (88.253 GiB) free space
[10:09:26] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 90370.68 MiB (88.253 GiB) free space

[10:09:26] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[10:09:26] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[10:09:26] Processing one title...
[10:09:26] Existing C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TestG\ cannot be used as destination folder!
[10:09:26] Output will be written to: C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TestG-20100415-100926
[10:09:26] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[10:09:26] Processing Quicktime video (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\tests\lawrence\MVI_4382.MOV)...
[10:09:26] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[10:09:26] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[10:09:26] *** Initiating video encoding:

[10:09:26] *** Original : 1920x1088
[10:09:26] *** Crop : 4
[10:09:26] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[10:09:26] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[10:09:26] *** Sharpen : 0
[10:09:26] *** Bitrate : 2500 kbps
[10:09:26] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[10:09:26] *** Level : 4
[10:09:26] *** B-frames : 3
[10:09:26] *** Ref-frames: 4
[10:09:26] *** GOP size : 48 (keyframe min. each 4 frames)
[10:09:26] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[10:09:26] *** SAR : 1:1
[10:09:26] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[10:09:26] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[10:09:26] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[10:09:26] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 2500 --keyint 48 --level 4 --min-keyint 8 --bframes 3 --ref 4 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14500 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 48 --output "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-100926-uncrop-running.avs"
[10:09:41] *** Speed : 16.11 fps (elapsed: 00:00:14 - Realtime x 0.67)

[10:09:41] *** Transcoding successful!

[10:09:41] Detected frame reference count: 3 (max:4).
[10:09:41] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=3
[10:09:41] Detected audio: ID#2:A_LPCM (48000Hz 16bit 2ch) Language: und
[10:09:41] Added audio: A_LPCM, "C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\tests\lawrence\MVI_4382.MOV", track=2, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
[10:09:41] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[10:09:41] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
Change H264 level from 4 to 4.1
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames
Processed 260 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 3 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:00.833;00:00:01.666;00:00:02.500;00:00:03.333;00:00:04.166;00:00:05.000;00:00:05.833;00:00:06.666;00:00:07.500;00:00:08.333;00:00:09.166 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264", insertSEI, contSPS, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=23.976
A_LPCM, "C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\tests\lawrence\MVI_4382.MOV", track=2, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[10:09:44] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[10:09:44] Processing playlist...
[10:09:44] Title #1 added: "MVI 4382"
[10:09:44] Verifying title...
[10:09:45] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[10:09:45] Preparing authoring information...
[10:09:45] Creating NTSC top menu.
[10:09:45] Setting pop-up menu...
[10:09:47] *** [00000.mpls] - Adding pop-up menu [1080p]...
[10:09:48] *** Completed!
[10:09:48] Authoring menu (NTSC).
[10:09:48] Creating title thumbnails for 1 titles (XMB)...
[10:09:52] Using 12 thumbnail/chapter links for title #1...
[10:09:52] *** Extracting 12 chapter thumbnails...
[10:09:56] Image processing for XMB menu completed!

[10:09:56] Preparing menu pages...

[10:09:57] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1] [Motion title thumbnail].
[10:12:14] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1]: Chapter page [1/1].
[10:12:22] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/1]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).
[10:12:26] Menu authoring completed.

[10:12:28] Encoding Title List menu page [1/1].
[10:12:37] Authoring welcome screen (NTSC).
[10:12:41] Encoding welcome screen...
[10:12:53] Authoring welcome screen completed.
[10:12:54] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[10:12:54] Playback will end after title #1.
[10:12:54] Setting menu properties...
[10:12:54] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[10:12:54] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[10:12:54] Completed.
[10:12:59] Done!

[10:12:59] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[10:12:59] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TestG-20100415-100926\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)
Name : TestG
===============================================================================
1. MVI 4382 [00:00:10]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:00:10
Output size : 43 MiB (0.042 GiB)

[10:12:59] C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TestG-20100415-100926 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[10:12:59] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[10:13:00] You may now remove temp folder (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\).
[10:13:00] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 10sec of video material.

[10:13:00] multiAVCHD finished in 214.642 seconds (00:03:34.642)!

[10:13:00] End of log.

[10:13:00] Cleaning up...
[10:13:01] Done!

[10:13:01] For technical support, bug reports and questions:

[10:13:01] http://multiforum.deanbg.com/
[10:13:01] http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/
[10:13:01] http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

[10:14:24] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[10:14:25] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 89975.29 MiB (87.866 GiB) free space
[10:14:25] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 89975.28 MiB (87.866 GiB) free space

[10:14:25] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[10:14:25] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[10:14:25] Processing one title...
[10:14:25] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[10:14:25] Processing (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264)...
[10:14:25] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[10:14:25] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[10:14:25] *** Initiating video encoding:

[10:14:25] *** Original : 1920x1080
[10:14:25] *** Crop : 4
[10:14:25] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[10:14:25] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[10:14:25] *** Sharpen : 0
[10:14:25] *** Bitrate : 2500 kbps
[10:14:25] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[10:14:25] *** Level : 4
[10:14:25] *** B-frames : 3
[10:14:25] *** Ref-frames: 4
[10:14:25] *** GOP size : 48 (keyframe min. each 4 frames)
[10:14:25] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[10:14:25] *** SAR : 1:1
[10:14:25] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[10:14:25] *** Re-packing elementary V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC stream...
[10:14:25] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[10:14:25] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[10:14:25] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 2500 --keyint 48 --level 4 --min-keyint 8 --bframes 3 --ref 4 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14500 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 48 --output "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-101425-uncrop-running.avs"
[10:14:26] *** Speed : 641.07 fps (elapsed: 00:00:00 - Realtime x 26.74)

[10:14:26] *** Transcoding failed!
[10:14:26] *** Check ffdshow/avisynth/haali (reinstall)!
[10:14:26] *** DEBUG: Try to play [C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-101425-uncrop-running.avs] in MPC or other player, which supports AviSynth scripts and report the error to the author!

[10:14:26] Retrying to transcode with FFMS2!
[10:14:26] Stand-by for indexing...

[10:14:26] *** Initiating video encoding:

[10:14:26] *** Original : 1920x1080
[10:14:26] *** Crop : 4
[10:14:26] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[10:14:26] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[10:14:26] *** Sharpen : 0
[10:14:26] *** Bitrate : 2500 kbps
[10:14:26] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[10:14:26] *** Level : 4
[10:14:26] *** B-frames : 3
[10:14:26] *** Ref-frames: 4
[10:14:26] *** GOP size : 48 (keyframe min. each 4 frames)
[10:14:26] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[10:14:26] *** SAR : 1:1
[10:14:26] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[10:14:26] *** Re-packing elementary V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC stream...
[10:14:26] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[10:14:26] *** Stand-by for indexing (ffms2)...

[10:14:26] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[10:14:26] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 2500 --keyint 48 --level 4 --min-keyint 8 --bframes 3 --ref 4 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14500 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 48 --output "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-101426-uncrop-running.avs"
[10:14:26] *** Speed : 669.72 fps (elapsed: 00:00:00 - Realtime x 27.93)

[10:14:26] *** Transcoding failed!
[10:14:26] *** Check ffdshow/avisynth/haali (reinstall)!
[10:14:26] *** DEBUG: Try to play [C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100415-101426-uncrop-running.avs] in MPC or other player, which supports AviSynth scripts and report the error to the author!


[10:14:26] tsMuxeR failed to process [c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264]...
[10:14:26] No compatible folders/files processed...


Here is the contents of "20100415-101426-uncrop-running.avs"

loadplugin("C:\multiAVCHD\tools\ffms2.dll")
filename="c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\dvddump.m2ts"
b = FFVideoSource(filename).crop(0,4,0,-4)

bordersizeX=int((1920-width(b))/2)
bordersizeY=int((1080-height(b))/2)
AddBorders(b, bordersizeX, bordersizeY, bordersizeX, bordersizeY)



b=last

b=b


return b.ConvertToYV12()


Frankly, there is no "dvddump.m2ts" file in the path specified.

[deank]

Yep.. it is a known 'problem' with the self-modifying technique used by multiAVCHD when performing title-transcoding.

Whenever you transcode a title you have to restart multiAVCHD, otherwise each transcoded title (file name) is replaced by the transcoded filename (.264) which causes subsequent attempts without restart to fail.

:) Dean

[Adub]

Roger. It really isn't that hard to just restart multiAVCHD, but I just thought I would let you know just in case.

[Dolsen]

Hi,

Could the problem with MOV movie with PCM audio be related to same problem I discovered with MPEG with PCM audio, see my post "I can't use mpeg files with PCM audio" (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=930)

I just made a quick MOV movie with H.264 and PCM audio, I dropped it onto tsMuxerGui, and it would not load the audio part, only video part.

Try to drop the problem MOV movie with PCM audio onto tsMuxerGui, and see if it accepts to load the audio track?

If tsMuxer will not accept the file, it means the file will not work inside multiAVCHD too, since multiAVCHD depends on working tsMuxer, if I understand it correct...


Just my thoughts, bye...
Dolsen

[deank]

If multiAVCHD depended on tsMuxeR then it wouldn't be possible to import anything but mkv/*ts/m*pg...

multiAVCHD does a lot of attempts to get your audio to blu-ray/avchd compliant one.

The only thing tsmuxer is used is to create m2ts files from proper elementary (or other m2ts) files.

Try to load an avi in tsmuxer and in multiAVCHD... or a .trp or a .wmv or .avs or .mod or .ifo or .flv.

[Dolsen]

Hi again,

Could you do a test with this 5MB 4 second test mpeg with pcm audio (http://www.sendspace.com/file/nse0f3), just to confirm if that file works or not with multiAVCHD?

I can not manage to get it to work in multiAVCHD. When I drop the mpeg onto multiAVCHD, it identify it correct and with PCM audio track.

Disable "convert PCM to AC3" makes multiAVCHD creates a project without log-errors, but no audio in finished output.

Enable "convert PCM to AC3" makes many log-errors during creation of project when it tries to convert the audio track to AC3.

As far I can understand, the mpeg file I have confirms to DVD-video standard... Loading the mpeg file in Graphstudio and Windows Media Player shows my system decodes and can play the video correct... I'm just puzzled what's going on...

Bye,
Dolsen

[deank]

Works here... after audio is processed by mencoder... You're right that without processing LPCM is added but not present/audible in the final compilation... It is to do with tsmuxer I guess.

[21:59:45] Initialising...
[21:59:45] Checking for new version...
[21:59:46] You have the latest build.
[21:59:46] Consistency check finished!
[21:59:46] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[22:02:46] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[22:02:46] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[22:02:46] Processing one title...
[22:02:46] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[22:02:46] Processing (D:\Downloads\test.mpg)...
[22:02:48] Detected video: ID#224:V_MPEG-2 720x576, fps=25.000
[22:02:48] Encoding PCM audio to AC3...
[22:02:53] Retrying...
[22:02:57] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[22:02:57] Trying to demux audio...
[22:02:58] Demux failed!
[22:02:58] Second attempt to demux...
[22:02:58] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[22:02:58] Second attempt to encode failed!
[22:02:58] Parsing to NicAudio/aften (avisynth)...
[22:02:59] Final attempt (mencoder)...
[22:03:00] Encoding succeeded! Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[22:03:00] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[22:03:00] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[22:03:00] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[22:03:00] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
MPEG-2 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=25
Decoding MPEG2 stream (track 1): Profile: Main@8. Resolution: 720:576i. Frame rate: 25
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 448Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 119 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 1 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:00.363;00:00:00.727;00:00:01.090;00:00:01.454;00:00:01.818;00:00:02.181;00:00:02.545;00:00:02.909;00:00:03.272;00:00:03.636;00:00:03.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG-2, "D:\Downloads\test.mpg", insertSEI, contSPS, track=224, fps=25.000
A_AC3, "d:\_temp\multitemp-20100415\test.t2.ac3.lpcm", lang=eng, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[22:03:01] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[22:03:01] Processing playlist...
[22:03:01] Title #1 added: "test"
[22:03:01] Verifying title...
[22:03:02] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[22:03:02] Preparing authoring information...


[22:03:02] Preparing menu pages...
[22:03:03] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[22:03:03] Loop mode after last title.
[22:03:03] Playback will start with title #1 (test).
[22:03:03] Setting menu properties...
[22:03:03] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[22:03:03] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[22:03:03] Completed.
[22:03:06] Done!

[22:03:06] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[22:03:06] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_22\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. test [00:00:04]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:00:04
Output size : 5 MiB (0.005 GiB)

[22:03:06] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_22 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[22:03:06] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[22:03:08] You may now remove temp folder (D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100415\).
[22:03:08] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 4sec of video material.

[22:03:08] multiAVCHD finished in 22.059 seconds (00:00:22.059)!

[22:03:08] End of log.

[22:03:08] Cleaning up...
[22:03:08] Done!

[22:03:08] For technical support, bug reports and questions:

[22:03:08] http://multiforum.deanbg.com/
[22:03:08] http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/
[22:03:08] http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

[Dolsen]

Hi again,

Thanks for taking your time to test my mpeg file. Can you confirm that the created .MTS file in AVCHD folder actually does have real audio?

This is from your log:
[22:02:48] Encoding PCM audio to AC3...
[22:02:53] Retrying...
[22:02:57] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[22:02:57] Trying to demux audio...
[22:02:58] Demux failed!
[22:02:58] Second attempt to demux...
[22:02:58] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[22:02:58] Second attempt to encode failed!
[22:02:58] Parsing to NicAudio/aften (avisynth)...
[22:02:59] Final attempt (mencoder)...
[22:03:00] Encoding succeeded! Adding AC3 encoded audio track...


This is from my log:
[21:13:49] Encoding PCM audio to AC3...
[21:13:52] Retrying...
[21:13:57] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[21:13:57] Trying to demux audio...
[21:13:57] Demux failed!
[21:13:57] Second attempt to demux...
[21:13:58] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[21:13:58] Second attempt to encode failed!
[21:13:58] Parsing to NicAudio/aften (avisynth)...
[21:13:59] Encoding succeeded! Adding AC3 encoded audio track...


Your NicAudio/aften fails encoding, while mine does a encoding (that is a wrong encode anyway). I never get mencoder to try to encode... hmm, any ideas whats going on when NicAudio/aften does it wrongly here?

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

My nicaudio fails and falls down to mencoder.. and yes, the output has a nice audio track :)

I'll try to take a look into it next days (i'll be out of the city for few days). Probably it is possible to optimize the FAILURES somehow.

[Dolsen]

My nicaudio fails and falls down to mencoder.. and yes, the output has a nice audio track :)

I'll try to take a look into it next days (i'll be out of the city for few days). Probably it is possible to optimize the FAILURES somehow.

Audio track is linked to all those matrix shots you used to demo multiAVCHD :)

I can help testing the optimize when you want it tested from a user, since I had this problem issue.

Bye,
Dolsen

[AJ500]

@ dean

Your post about putting files back into the Panasonic HDC-TM700 camera got me to wondering if that's already possible with Sony camcorders?

The Sony software that comes with my HD camera extracts the m2ts files and stores them on the PC drive. I have never archived the full file structure that's on the MemoryStick. Is it possible that multiAVCHD will re-ceate the structure on the MemoryStick so they could be played from the camcorder? Is it simply a matter of unchecking all menu, chapter, and welcome screen options and clicking the Sony Playstation 3 button?

[deank]

No, you should use VIERA (NTSC) or the new 1080p60fps buttons. Give them a try. The first will mark all as 1080i and the 2nd won't alter the properties, but the output will be marked as Panasonic HDC-**700 + CPI files will be set with very specific values.

SONY Playstation3 button does different things and most of them WAY out of most players capabilities, not to say camcoders. With Panasonic SDHC and VIERA buttons (+these new buttons) you get completely different output.

Please note that the text on the right size (of VIERA buttons) says that it is for TVs and camcoders.

[Adub]

Okay, I got a question then.

Why does the pcm in mpeg have several stages of failure, while my .mov sample only fails on eac3to and then tries to mux the original? Shouldn't it run through the multiple audio encoding attempts too?

[Dolsen]

Works here... after audio is processed by mencoder... You're right that without processing LPCM is added but not present/audible in the final compilation... It is to do with tsmuxer I guess.

My nicaudio fails and falls down to mencoder.. and yes, the output has a nice audio track :)

I'll try to take a look into it next days (i'll be out of the city for few days). Probably it is possible to optimize the FAILURES somehow.

This is what I was talking about when I said multiAVCHD depended on a working tsMuxer, I should been more detailed when I wrote about the depending issue. I have sent an email to tsMuxer team about the problem with mpeg w/PCM audio to inform what I have stumbled upon.

Since AVCHD specs supports PCM audio, I hope to be able to use the PCM audio track from my mpegs, and not have to be "forced" to convert audio to AC3. Right now I have to demux the audio track, and add external audio track in multiAVCHD when dealing with mpeg w/PCM audio when I don't want to encode to AC3.

I have tried many tools to demux the test mpeg into video and audio stream, and so far I have not found a free tool that demux the audio track, which I find strange since the test mpeg file should be of a correct mpeg structure.

At least my commercial software "Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0" and "Pegasys TMPGEnc MPEG Editor 3" does allow working correctly with my mpeg w/PCM so I can manage to extract the audio track as WAVE file.

Hope multiAVCHD someday will work with this video&audio format, without have to encode to AC3. If tsMuxer don't get a "fix", perhaps there is a tool out there you could incorporate in your tools folder to make it work :)

Bye,
Dolsen

[deank]

@ dean

Your post about putting files back into the Panasonic HDC-TM700 camera got me to wondering if that's already possible with Sony camcorders?

The Sony software that comes with my HD camera extracts the m2ts files and stores them on the PC drive. I have never archived the full file structure that's on the MemoryStick. Is it possible that multiAVCHD will re-ceate the structure on the MemoryStick so they could be played from the camcorder? Is it simply a matter of unchecking all menu, chapter, and welcome screen options and clicking the Sony Playstation 3 button?

There are some changes in the output mode selection for Viera TVs and camcoders. It is now possible to force multiAVCHD to use maker/model specific information when creating the AVCHD structure. It should make it easier for camcoder users.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_output_dd.jpg

The drop-down list with maker/models is to be used only when producing output for a camcoder (not to be used for Viera output).

It is always better to leave it to the default [Let multiAVCHD decide], but if it doesn't work for you - use Panasonic General AVCHD or one of the other options.

If anyone wants his Camcoder added in the list, send me a PM or email with the model + one file from your camcoder AVCHD created structure (VPL/MPL/CPI/BDM).

Dean

[deank]

Okay, I got a question then.

Why does the pcm in mpeg have several stages of failure, while my .mov sample only fails on eac3to and then tries to mux the original? Shouldn't it run through the multiple audio encoding attempts too?

That's because processing takes completely different routes with mov/*ts/mkv...

MOV support was basically added for HDV3 (MPEG2) camcoders with PCM audio and as far as I know it works perfectly fine for these users.

The container/formats I hate most are MOV, MP4, AAC, MP2. The best way is to use compliant formats/containers with multiAVCHD. It tries a lot of things but it can't do miracles and cover everything.

[Adub]

I see.

According to the user who approached me, the .mov files were produced from a Canon EOS 5dmk2, which as he puts it "is a £1600 digital SLR camera who's primary role is as a stills camera, but they are taking the indie film world by storm right now......". Apparently, the final episode of this season's "House" tv show was shot entirely with these things. Ah, and here is a link (http://www.petapixel.com/2010/04/09/house-season-finale-filmed-entirely-with-canon-5d-mark-ii/) to the main story. I'll be darned. He wasn't joking.

Anyways, my point is, could we find a way to add proper encoding support for these .mov files (ex. lpcm to ac3)? The user claims that he "got it to work somehow", but know he is re-tracing his steps and is finding that it is not working. He thinks it is because of an eac3to upgrade (which I said was highly improbable, but not outside the realm of possibility).

One fix that I have found is to use FFAudioSource as a "Failure" fallback. Seemed to work just fine with this source, in it's original .mov container.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Just to let you know that your delightfully easy to use "downconvert to DVD" sub-program appears to have an aversion for "HD-DVD compliant" .M2TS files...

[deank]

Well, the quality is really good with SD-DVD and I guess HD-DVD route doesn't really pay for the troubles. :) (that is if I correctly understood your post)

// Did you mean that multiAVCHD struggles with HD-DVD compliant files for SD-DVD... I really don't get it. You can't mark HD video as compliant for SD-DVD processing anyway.

[setarip_old]

that is if I correctly understood your postNo, you misunderstood.

If I attempt to use the concert to DVD aspect with an .M2TS file recognized by multiAVCHD as "HD-DVD compliant", it will go through the entire processing routine and generate only empty DVD-related folders and sub-folders.

If I trim off the first one second of the original .M2TS file, it is no longer recognized as "HD-DVD compliant" - and the downconversion to DVD is performed flawlessly ;>}

[deank]

The box is (HD)DVD... You mark it if you're importing 1920x1080@23.976 for HD-DVD title or when you're importing 720x480@23.976/29.970 / 720x576@25fps for SD-DVD processing. You can't import 1920x1080 video and mark it as 'compliant' for SD-DVD title.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Yes, I know which box to select and why I should select it - but once again, you misunderstand:

I'm using an .M2TS file (from a BD-RB-created BluRay) that I previously created as "HD Compliant" as my "original" source material for downconverting to DVD.

Regardless, as I mentioned in my previous post, it was easy enough for me to deal with.

I'm just trying to share information with you, in the event that this anomaly requires a modification of multiAVCHD ;>}

[deank]

@deank

[the] easy to use "downconvert to DVD" sub-program [] have an aversion for "HD-DVD compliant" .M2TS files...

What do we do? Мога да ти отговоря по 100 начина, както ти го правиш със сто засукани изречения, но идеята е да се разбираме по по-нормален начин. Right?

[setarip_old]

No fair - Either Russian or English (maybe French or Spanish) only, please ;>}

This is the Google translation:Can you answer 100 the way as you do it curled with a hundred sentences, but the idea is to understand in a more normal way

I guess you're saying my questions and/or statements are unclear to you. So, let me try another way:

1) I have an old .M2TS, made in June 2009, among my files. It was originally created using BD-RB set to "HD-DVD compatible" so that, in June 2009, I could feed it to multiAVCHD and create an HD-DVD.

2) Now, in April 2010, I tried using that very same .M2TS with multiAVCHD to create a standard DVD. I load this old .M2TS into MultiAVCHD, go through the required steps including transcoding and selecting "DVD" - so that the previews all show "720x480". I then click my way back to the "Media" and "Log" pages and click on "Start", then "DVD", etc.

3) MultiAVCHD very quickly processes the file and generates a "job completed" notice.

4) In fact, all that MultiAVCHD created was a few empty DVD folders (VIDEO_TS, etc.)

5) If I cut off one second from the beginnning of this 2009 .M2TS and duplicate these procedures exactly, I get a delightful standard DVD "package".

I offered you my solution for using already "HD-DVD-compatible" .M2TS files as source material for conversion to standard DVD (Cut off the first second from the file and it will no longer register as "HD-DVD compatible" - and will then be properly processed.)

I suppose there's some significance to the changes you made to your "quote" of me, but I won't ask.

As my Mafia buddies used to say in Brooklyn, "Fawgeddaboudit" ;>}

I'll let you get back to more pressing matters. до свидания...

[Adub]

@setarip_old
Would you mind pasting your log file for the "failed" HD-DVD -> DVD attempt? I am curious to look at it and see what exactly is going wrong.

[setarip_old]

@Adub

Hi!

I've already done a line-by-line comparison, so there's no point in doing that. Re-read any of the pertinent posts -MultiAVCHD generates the same log as it does for a REAL perfect conversion to DVD (Except, of course, the "false good conversion" includes a line that says, File is encoded with HD-DVD compatible H.264 settings: and Title is already (HD)DVD compliant! and in the "Summary" Output size : 0 MiB (0 GiB))

[Adub]

Hmm... okay, I'll trust your judgment on this one setarip_old. If I find some time, I may be able to do my own testing by generating a HD-DVD ready encode using BD Rebuilder.

[deank]

It makes more sense when I thought about it this morning.

multiAVCHD uses one flag - both for SD-DVD and HD-DVD and you can alter it in title properties [alter detected properties].

Since you're importing HD-DVD compliant file and creating SD-DVD, multiAVCHD is confused and doesn't try to re-encode the video.

What you need to do with this HD-DVD compliant .m2ts file is to untick [-] (HD)DVD compliant option. :)

Dean

// It is fixed now and in the latest build all is okay. There is no need to cut your file or anything.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!What you need to do with this HD-DVD compliant .m2ts file is to untick [-] (HD)DVD compliant option.I'm afraid I'm one step ahead of you. I already tried that and, unfortunately, the failed result is the same (If it had worked, I would have posted here as the solution)

Again, I'm satisfied with my solution for myself (Trimmimg one second off the beginning of the .M2TS file).

BTW, I'm glad you now understand ;>}

It is fixed now and in the latest build all is okay. There is no need to cut your file or anything.I'll check it out...

[rendez2k]

I haven't been keeping up with development recently (is there an updated change log somewhere?) but I assume that you can still only have 1 title per SD DVD disc? Sorry if this has been discussed already!

[setarip_old]

@deank

Thank you (Or you can thank me ;>}), it now works - Using the newest update, UNchecking "HDDVD Compatible" makes the booboo all better...

[deank]

You don't need to uncheck the option, because multiAVCHD will check if the file is 720x... and even if marked as compliant will reencode it if the resolution is wrong for SD-DVD.

Thanks for pointing it out to me :)

Dean

@rendez: yes, 1 title per SDDVD.

[Oldfart13]

Thank you! I will try this.

Well, I tried this with a 12 part MKV set but the program produced files that will not read in my Curtis DVD1102 Blu Ray player. Says "BD ROM" then spits out the disc. I'll try again with a single part and post the log. My log file for the failed attempt is in your PMs. I'll have to try some other programs for the subtitles. There are many good ideas at this forum.

[soneca]

Hi Dean,

Did you ever see one sample of Canon?
Somehow managed to convert that file?

[Beatnut]

Hi dean, i made a BD-RE that worked on a Sony BDP-S300, but i cant remember if i did"for blu ray output" or"avchd strict", is there any way i can see that? greetz

[BeNooL]

Is it me or is title trimming occuring after transcoding when you set both trims and transcode?

[setarip_old]

@deank You don't need to uncheck the option, because multiAVCHD will check if the file is 720x... and even if marked as compliant will reencode it if the resolution is wrong for SD-DVD.Sorry, but that did not prove to be the case.

It only worked properly (with latest download of about 8 hours ago) with the option UNchecked...

[Adub]

Hi Dean,

I don't know if you saw this or not, but what did you think of my "work around" (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1392323#post1392323) for the Canon .mov files?

@Beatnut, do you still have the original project file? It is saved by default in your output directory.

[deank]

Hi Dean,

Did you ever see one sample of Canon?
Somehow managed to convert that file?

I had no time this weekend, but I have the file and I'll try later this week.

Hi dean, i made a BD-RE that worked on a Sony BDP-S300, but i cant remember if i did"for blu ray output" or"avchd strict", is there any way i can see that? greetz

Open any mpls file (with hex editor or BDedit) and check it - you'll see what mode you used.

Is it me or is title trimming occuring after transcoding when you set both trims and transcode?

Trim end is applied before transcoding. Trim start - after.

Hi Dean,

I don't know if you saw this or not, but what did you think of my "work around" (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1392323#post1392323) for the Canon .mov files?

Yes, I saw it. I'll try it soon. :)

[deank]

Hi Dean,

Did you ever see one sample of Canon?
Somehow managed to convert that file?

I believe this file was the sample, right? MVI0005.MOV

Yes, I modified multiAVCHD for mov processing and it now works.

Adub's sample also works, but because of non-compliant video properties it has to be transcoded! Without transcoding it causes tsMuxeR to fail, because of frame-overflow (height > 1080).

Dean

[12:58:32] Initialising...
[12:58:32] Checking for new version...
[12:58:32] New version/build found!

[12:59:10] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 746)
[12:59:10] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[12:59:10] Processing 2 titles...
[12:59:10] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[12:59:10] Processing Quicktime video (D:\Downloads\MVI0005.MOV)...
[12:59:10] Endian: little
[12:59:10] Track has 1 channels.
[12:59:10] Sampling: 44100
[12:59:10] Resolution: 16
[12:59:10] Format: PCM
[12:59:10] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[12:59:10] Parsing audio to avisynth...
[12:59:12] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[12:59:18] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[12:59:18] Extracting V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC video (mplayer)...
[12:59:22] Video demuxed but broken. Retrying...
[12:59:27] Completed successfully!
[12:59:27] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[12:59:27] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[12:59:27] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: Baseline@4.1 Resolution: 1280:720p Frame rate: not found
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=30
H264 bitstream changed: insert pict timing and buffering period SEI units
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 448Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 1
H264 bitstream changed: insert SPS/PPS units
Processed 1586 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 11 sec

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;...
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\movdemux001\MVI0005.track_1.264", insertSEI, contSPS, fps=30.000
A_AC3, "d:\_temp\multitemp-20100419\mvi0005.ac3"
===============================================================================
[12:59:38] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[12:59:38] Processing playlist...
[12:59:39] Title #1 added: "MVI0005"
[12:59:39] Verifying title...
[12:59:42] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[12:59:42] Processing Quicktime video (D:\Downloads\MVI_4382.MOV)...
[12:59:42] Endian: little
[12:59:42] Track has 2 channels.
[12:59:42] Sampling: 48000
[12:59:42] Resolution: 16
[12:59:42] Format: PCM
[12:59:42] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[12:59:42] Parsing audio to avisynth...
[12:59:46] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[12:59:48] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[12:59:48] *** Initiating video encoding:

[12:59:48] *** Original : 1920x1088
[12:59:48] *** Crop : 4
[12:59:48] *** Resize : 1920x1088 (No change)
[12:59:48] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[12:59:48] *** Sharpen : 0
[12:59:48] *** Bitrate : 45166 kbps
[12:59:48] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[12:59:48] *** Level : 4
[12:59:48] *** B-frames : 3
[12:59:48] *** Ref-frames: 4
[12:59:48] *** GOP size : 24 (keyframe min. each 2 frames)
[12:59:48] *** Quality : One pass (normal quality)
[12:59:48] *** SAR : 1:1
[12:59:48] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[12:59:48] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[12:59:48] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:10]
[12:59:48] *** Encoding : x264 options: --bitrate 45166 ...
[13:00:46] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[13:01:24] *** Speed : 2.5 fps (elapsed: 00:01:35 - Realtime x 0.1)

[13:01:24] *** Transcoding successful!

[13:01:24] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[13:01:24] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[13:01:24] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 448Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames
Processed 259 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 2 sec
===============================================================================
[13:01:26] If processing fails, try to rename your .MOV file to .MP4!!

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000...
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\MVI_4382.[1920x1080-23.976].264", insertSEI, contSPS, fps=23.976
A_AC3, "d:\_temp\multitemp-20100419\mvi_4382.ac3"
===============================================================================
[13:01:26] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00001.m2ts
[13:01:26] Processing playlist...
[13:01:26] Title #2 added: "MVI 4382"
[13:01:26] Verifying title...
[13:01:30] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[13:01:30] Preparing authoring information...


[13:01:30] Preparing menu pages...
[13:01:30] Setting main menu for 2 titles...
[13:01:30] Loop mode after last title.
[13:01:30] Playback will start with title #1 (MVI0005).
[13:01:30] Setting menu properties...
[13:01:30] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[13:01:30] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[13:01:30] Completed.
[13:01:33] Done!

[13:01:33] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[13:01:33] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_MOV_TEST_3\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. MVI0005 [00:00:52]
2. MVI 4382 [00:00:10]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:01:03
Output size : 213 MiB (0.208 GiB)

[soneca]

This same Dean

But here it did not work ... the program is no longer accepting capital letters then renamed yet still gives error.

[09:39:55] Initialising...
[09:39:55] Checking for new version...
[09:39:56] You have the latest build.
[09:39:56] Consistency check finished!
[09:39:56] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[09:39:56] 1 year and 114 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[09:39:56] 283 people supported it with donations
[09:39:56] and you are the 1514927 one to launch the program...
[09:39:56] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[09:39:56] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[09:41:32] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[09:41:33] Destination [E:]: NTFS, 1002715.55 MiB (979.214 GiB) free space
[09:41:33] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 1012268.11 MiB (988.543 GiB) free space

[09:41:33] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 747)
[09:41:33] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[09:41:33] Processing one title...
[09:41:33] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[09:41:34] Processing Quicktime video (E:\VIDEOS MKV\teste.MOV)...
[09:41:34] Endian: little
[09:41:34] Track has 1 channels.
[09:41:34] Sampling: 44100
[09:41:34] Resolution: 16
[09:41:34] Format: PCM
[09:41:34] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[09:41:34] Parsing audio to avisynth...
[09:41:35] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[09:41:35] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[09:41:35] Extracting V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC video (mplayer)...
[09:41:38] Completed successfully!
[09:41:38] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[09:41:38] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@15.4 Resolution: 500:828i Frame rate: not found
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=30
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@15.5 Resolution: 16:768i Frame rate: 3.52551
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: Baseline@15.5 Resolution: 16:384p Frame rate: not found

PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:04.333;00:00:08.666;00:00:13.000;00:00:17.333;00:00:21.666;00:00:26.000;00:00:30.333;00:00:34.666;00:00:39.000;00:00:43.333;00:00:47.666 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\teste.MOV.264", insertSEI, contSPS, fps=30.000
A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd_temp\multitemp-20100419\teste.ac3"
===============================================================================

[09:41:46] MOV processing failed!
[09:41:46] Switching processing mode. Stand-by for re-processing...

[09:41:46] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:7).
[09:41:46] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1280x720, fps=30.000, ref=0
[09:41:46] Detected audio: ID#2:A_PCM (44100Hz 16bit 1ch) Language: und
[09:41:46] Attempting to convert A_PCM audio track #2...
[09:41:46] Extracting audio track #2 (mkvextract)...
[09:41:46] Converting PCM audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[09:41:47] eac3to didn't succeed... Trying to add as is!
[09:41:47] Added audio: A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
[09:41:47] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[09:41:47] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:04.333;00:00:08.666;00:00:13.000;00:00:17.333;00:00:21.666;00:00:26.000;00:00:30.333;00:00:34.666;00:00:39.000;00:00:43.333;00:00:47.666 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "E:\VIDEOS MKV\teste.MOV", insertSEI, contSPS, track=1, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=30.000
A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
===============================================================================
[09:41:47] If processing fails, try to rename your .MOV file to .MP4!!

[09:41:47] tsMuxeR failed to process [E:\VIDEOS MKV\teste.MOV]...
[09:41:47] No compatible folders/files processed...

[deank]

Sorry.. uploaded the wrong version.

Start multiUPDATE.exe to get the proper one and try again :)

Program ACCEPTS capital letters. It doesn't accept non-ANSI characters (only a-z A-Z).

[soneca]

Now it worked!

Thank you Dean!

Program ACCEPTS capital letters. It doesn't accept non-ANSI characters (only a-z A-Z).

But if the file is inside a folder with unsupported characters, gives the error.

:thanks:

[deank]

Yes... The whole path+filename should not contain non-ANSI characters. I don't like it too, but it avoids certain error-processing cases.

If you have the chance to try with longer MOV file - let me know. It should all work properly now - no video reencoding - all original.

[soneca]

Ok,

Once I'm with camera in hand, will do more conversions and tell you here.

Again, thank you!
:thanks::thanks::thanks:

[deank]

:)

***

Also in the latest Boeing 747 build :)

* Fixed: infinite loop (player lock-up) after last (or each) title playback when compilation has no menu (when [-] Play all is not enabled)
* Fixed: (HD)DVD compliant option processing both for HD and SD DVD video output
* Possibly fixed: rare errors with SD-DVD (buffer underruns)
* Possibly fixed: errors during encoding motion menus, related to avisynth and directshow with some sources (50/60fps)
* Improved: MOV file processing

Dean

[Oldfart13]

Latest attempt to make something that can be played off a memory stick results in an unplayable file for the Curtis. Maybe I can steal the subs though if it converted them to SRT and play the original MKV. Will also try to make a regular disc version. I didn't want to do that because the file size is so small (about 350 MB) but as an experiment....

It also didn't keep the original sub file as an srt but converted it to something that even VLC can't play. I tried to use the original subs from the video but none of the editor programs will allow it to be saved as an SRT (Jubler, Aegisub, Subtitle Workshop, etc.). What does multiAVCHD use to convert ass subs to srt or sup (sup cannot be played as a Blu Ray, MKV or AVCHD however)?

[deank]

If you're converting mkv files to AVCHD with multiAVCHD and then playing the m2ts file directly you'll never get subtitles. I'm not really sure what you're trying to do. Try to use [AVCHD strict] button after you click [START] or do not create a menu...

[deank]

Here is the full audio-theme used in multiAVCHD default menu audio background. (no rights infringed)

Riders on the Storm / Infected Mushroom Remix / (UR LP) (http://rapidshare.com/files/377709622/Riders_on_the_Storm.mp3) (8MB resalmpled) (great work, guys!)

[Adub]

SUUUHHHHWWEEEEET!!

Thanks for the quick fix there Deank! I'll be more than happy to test it when I get home!

[rack04]

Is it possible to add a Dolby TrueHD file as an external audio? I have a .264 that I created using x264 and a .thd that I extracted from Blu-ray using eac3to. I made sure to use the eac3to extension thd+ac3 to retain the ac3 core. When I try to add the renamed (thd+ac3 --> thd) file as external audio multiavchd doesn't add the file.

[Adub]

Read you log file. It should tell you why the file was not added.

[rack04]

Read you log file. It should tell you why the file was not added.

No log file is created. When I click to add the external audio it doesn't add it to the compilation.

[Adub]

Oh, I see. I assume you are in the "Properties" window then.

Well, as the front page of this thread states:
Input formats for audio files and audio titles (files):

mp2 mp3 ac3
pcm ogg wav
flac mlp fla
lpcm dts dtshd
cue (playlist)
wpl (playlist)
m3u (playlist)

So, no, I don't believe that thd is supported.

[rack04]

Oh, I see. I assume you are in the "Properties" window then.

Well, as the front page of this thread states:
Input formats for audio files and audio titles (files):

mp2 mp3 ac3
pcm ogg wav
flac mlp fla
lpcm dts dtshd
cue (playlist)
wpl (playlist)
m3u (playlist)

So, no, I don't believe that thd is supported.

That was thought but I wanted to make sure. tsMuxeR recognizes the stream fine.

[soneca]

Hi Dean,

I made some videos samples in the range of 1 minute each for testing.
But only 2 were processed and the others gave error ...:confused:
Here only part of the log, which is too long to post whole.
What do you think happened?

[16:57:31] Initialising...
[16:57:31] Checking for new version...
[16:57:32] You have the latest build.
[16:57:32] Consistency check finished!
[16:57:32] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:57:32] 1 year and 114 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:57:32] 283 people supported it with donations
[16:57:32] and you are the 1517626 one to launch the program...
[16:57:32] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[16:57:32] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[16:58:51] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[16:58:51] Destination [E:]: NTFS, 1002259.74 MiB (978.769 GiB) free space
[16:58:51] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 1011091.32 MiB (987.394 GiB) free space

[16:58:51] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 747)
[16:58:51] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc) [Restricted]

[16:58:51] Processing 6 titles...
[16:58:52] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[16:58:52] Processing Quicktime video (D:\Lumix\MVI_1513.MOV)...
[16:58:52] Endian: little
[16:58:52] Track has 1 channels.
[16:58:52] Sampling: 44100
[16:58:52] Resolution: 16
[16:58:52] Format: PCM
[16:58:52] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[16:58:52] Parsing audio to avisynth...
[16:58:53] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[16:58:53] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[16:58:53] Extracting V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC video (mplayer)...
[16:58:54] Video demuxed but broken. Retrying...
[16:58:54] Video cannot be extracted!
[16:58:54] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[16:58:54] No compatible tracks found.
[16:58:54] MediaInfo didn't obtain enough info! (VTRK/ATRK).
[16:58:54] Input *ts file did not provide compliant video/audio track IDs to mediainfo and will not be processed!

[16:58:54] MOV processing failed!
[16:58:54] Switching processing mode. Stand-by for re-processing...

[16:58:54] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:7).
[16:58:54] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1280x720, fps=30.000, ref=0
[16:58:54] Detected audio: ID#2:A_PCM (44100Hz 16bit 1ch) Language: und
[16:58:54] Attempting to convert A_PCM audio track #2...
[16:58:54] Extracting audio track #2 (mkvextract)...
[16:58:54] Converting PCM audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[16:58:54] eac3to didn't succeed... Trying to add as is!
[16:58:54] Added audio: A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
[16:58:54] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[16:58:54] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
PROCESSING ERROR: No data received from tsMuxeR!
Trying again...
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:03.250;00:00:06.500;00:00:09.750;00:00:13.000;00:00:16.250;00:00:19.500;00:00:22.750;00:00:26.000;00:00:29.250;00:00:32.500;00:00:35.750 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\Lumix\MVI_1513.MOV", insertSEI, contSPS, track=1, lang=eng, level=4.1, fps=30.000
A_LPCM, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\tmp-tn2.und.pcm", lang=und
===============================================================================
[16:58:55] If processing fails, try to rename your .MOV file to .MP4!!

[16:58:55] tsMuxeR failed to process [D:\Lumix\MVI_1513.MOV]...
[16:58:55] Processing Quicktime video (D:\Lumix\MVI_1514.MOV)...
[16:58:55] Endian: little
[16:58:55] Track has 1 channels.
[16:58:55] Sampling: 44100
[16:58:55] Resolution: 16
[16:58:55] Format: PCM
[16:58:55] Extracting PCM audio (mplayer)...
[16:58:55] Parsing audio to avisynth...
[16:58:55] Trying again to encode PCM audio to AC3 (ffmpeg)...
[16:58:56] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[16:58:56] Extracting V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC video (mplayer)...
[16:58:56] Video demuxed but broken. Retrying...
[16:58:57] Completed successfully!
[16:58:57] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[16:58:57] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: Baseline@4.1 Resolution: 1280:720p Frame rate: not found
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=30
H264 bitstream changed: insert pict timing and buffering period SEI units
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 384Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 1
H264 bitstream changed: insert SPS/PPS units
Processed 721 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 2 sec
===============================================================================
[16:58:59] If processing fails, try to rename your .MOV file to .MP4!!

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000;00:00:02.000;00:00:04.000;00:00:06.000;00:00:08.000;00:00:10.000;00:00:12.000;00:00:14.000;00:00:16.000;00:00:18.000;00:00:20.000;00:00:22.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "D:\multiAVCHD_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100419\movdemux002\MVI_1514.track_1.264", insertSEI, contSPS, fps=30.000
A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd_temp\multitemp-20100419\mvi_1514.ac3"
===============================================================================
[16:58:59] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[16:58:59] Processing playlist...
[16:59:00] Title #1 added: "MVI 1514"
[16:59:00] Verifying title...
[16:59:01] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[f362580]

i found a bug:
"menu -> advanced -> background audio" option is not saved to or loaded from project file and always resets to "default".

Also I think that "compilation name" should be set at "author" or "media" tab and kept on project file.

[deank]

Is it possible to add a Dolby TrueHD file as an external audio? I have a .264 that I created using x264 and a .thd that I extracted from Blu-ray using eac3to. I made sure to use the eac3to extension thd+ac3 to retain the ac3 core. When I try to add the renamed (thd+ac3 --> thd) file as external audio multiavchd doesn't add the file.

Just rename the audio to .ac3. When you import it you'll see (TrueHD) in its properties.

// edit: ...or update with multiUPDATE.exe. multiAVCHD will now recognize .thd extension (both in title properties or auto-loaded with video)

[rack04]

Just rename the audio to .ac3. When you import it you'll see (TrueHD) in its properties.

// edit: ...or update with multiUPDATE.exe. multiAVCHD will now recognize .thd extension (both in title properties or auto-loaded with video)

Great work Dean. Thanks.

[deank]

:)

i found a bug:
"menu -> advanced -> background audio" option is not saved to or loaded from project file and always resets to "default".

Also I think that "compilation name" should be set at "author" or "media" tab and kept on project file.

1) Probably you have [x] Discard settings from project files (mpf) in SETTINGS tab

2) Project name is saved in multiAVCHD.mpf in the output folder of your compilation. If you want to have it with [Save project] button then click [START], enter compilation name and click [X] to close the window.

Dean

[Oldfart13]

If you're converting mkv files to AVCHD with multiAVCHD and then playing the m2ts file directly you'll never get subtitles. I'm not really sure what you're trying to do. Try to use [AVCHD strict] button after you click [START] or do not create a menu...

Finally found a program that directly converts ass subs to srt so now I can play these MKVs. I'll still use multiAVCHD for converting things to play on other players though that don't have MKV playback capability. Thanks for your help.

[deank]

Good... ASS/SSA to SRT is just 20 lines of code... I was thinking to put it as another tool in multiAVCHD's folder, but I guess there is not need for it.

[spudman]

Hi deank... I am very new to all this so please forgive me if im being a bit of nooob but what is the perpose of the NTSC PAL selection. Would it not matter what I was selecting if the project was being played on a ps3 with a relaxed avchd format on a DVD. Would it work on all formats (NTSC PAL units) ?

[deank]

If your PS3 is the NTSC version make sure to use [NTSC] in TV system selection drop-down.

TV system setting has its purpose, so please use the correct one for your region.

//

Any TV system setting will work with PAL units. NTSC units will require NTSC system, so the safe way is to select (the default) NTSC.

[spudman]

Ok will do but what is this to do with ? Is it to do with the creation of the menus ?
Thanks for the help.

Ok brill so if I select NTSC im safe on all consoles really.
Thanks for the help its just that I have created a few Anime titles and my brother who has a NTSC unit wants to play them on his thats all.

Thanks again.

[Adub]

@spudman,
The NTSC/PAL setting is very important for several things (including output resolution). Just use the right one and quit whining about it.

For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL#PAL_vs._NTSC

[spudman]

Thanks for the info Adub.... Im not whining though, just learing ;)

[Adub]

Yes, I have to admit I was a little harsh. My apologies.

NTSC is most often used in North America, while PAL is most often used in Europe, if you need a good rule of thumb.

[grandmasta]

hello, I have now formatted my PC and installed multiavchd new.
but I still see in the chapter only black images. It is possible that it does not work with m2ts-files?

[praneeth.gogineni]

This going to be a long post of suggestions I have so can you please not skim it.

My first hope is that you can somehow give some of the functions of BD-Rebuilder to multiavchd. BD-Rebuilder converts a Blu ray or AVCHD disc to either a BD25, a BD9, or a BD5, while retaining anything wanting to be kept. If you could add this functionality to multiavchd it would be greatly appreciated. I am not sure if there is already a way to do this.

The next thing i would like to talk about is your menus, they are perfectly great, but I hope that you could combine them TVixie and make them super good. If you do not know what TVixie is just google it and install the program. Here is a picture template of what I Hope the new menu can look like, I Have also inserted a black box where you can input a movie clip. This template is only for 720p, and is partially edited. Along the top you can put the options of movie, chapters, setup, and title list. This particular template shows how Madagascar would look. http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2375/tvix.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/i/tvix.jpg/)

3rd your menus are good, but on my blu ray player when i click for another menu like chapters it pauses and changes, on normal blu ray's this is a smooth motion with no pause, but that may be because those are video overlays. If you could somehow change it so it is a smooth flawless motion that would also be appreciated.

4th your pop up menus, they have this space look to them. Is there a way in multiavchd you can change the look because the theme does not go well with most movies. If we could instead have a simplistic look, that would be appreaciated too. Also when I click on a button on the pop up menu I would be happier if it moved me to another pop up menu so I dont have to leave the movie rather than bringing me back to the top menu. Also i would like a smooth flawless motion on the pop up menus.

5th on the top menu is there a way to get rid of which version of multiavchd i made it with, because it always shows up in the bottom left hand corner with the time the disc was created.

6th on the menu can you add a way to select a certain video clip that will preview in the menu rather than having it from the beginning.

7th and lastly can you add an option to be able to change the color of your subtitles like to yellow.

Please reply in a post to how many of these suggestions you will use, how many you will try to do, how many are there, and how many you arent going to do.

[deank]

This going to be a long post of suggestions I have so can you please not skim it.

...

Please reply in a post to how many of these suggestions you will use, how many you will try to do, how many are there, and how many you arent going to do.

1) Why would you need that - BD-Rebuilder already does the job. Still you can do the same for most blu-ray titles in RE-AUTHOR mode. Drag BDMV folder to multiAVCHD and you'll see.

2) --- Few other users asked about tvixie... I'll see about it

3) It can't be made more flawless, because multiAVCHD doesn't use IGS but video pages. It can't be changed.

4) Same for the pop-up. It can't be changed.

5) There is an option in MENU tab [-] Show build and time in footer. UNtick it.

6) Yes, you can add external video of your choice. And audio, too.

7) You can change the subtitle style in "Subtitle&Audio" tab.

[praneeth.gogineni]

thanks for the response, especially the reasoning now i understand the menus better. But the tvixie thing would be awesome. Thanks again

[spudman]

Tvixie would be SUPERB !!!! if this could be built into this program.

[Adub]

Hmm... didn't Pelican release some support for IGS muxing recently?

[crl2007]

Yes, he did. In BDEdit (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125903). Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152952) is the guide for IGS menu editing and here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=151925) is the guide for blu-ray re-authoring using multiAVCHD.

[deank]

Hmm... didn't Pelican release some support for IGS muxing recently?

He did, but how do you 'automate' it into an application? :)

***

Latest update for 747:

* Fix for IGS: now all menu IGS are set with proper fps, according to the TV system setting
* Fix for pop-up menu (faster + TV system)

Dean

[Adub]

He did, but how do you 'automate' it into an application?

Yeah, that I can't answer. Maybe Pelican9 can come out with a commandline app that will help with menu creation and editing.

[crl2007]

I don't think that's possible. There are too many variables.

[deank]

Few fixes:

* Fixed: XMB motion menu with [x] Apply fade in/out option failed because of missing ")" in the script.
* Fixed: Detection of BFF sources
* Added: Chapter and Title thumbnail extraction will honor video scan type/order. Extracting from TFF/BFF sources will make multiAVCHD properly deinterlace the source before extracting the frame for the thumbnail

//
* Fixed/Added: All menu playlist files now have the appropriate number of entry-marks, equal to the number of playitems (one entry-mark for each playitem)
* Fixed: Broken op-code (break command) in main menu pages

Dean

[f362580]

:)
1) Probably you have [x] Discard settings from project files (mpf) in SETTINGS tab
yes.
Can you explain the meaning of this setting?

EDIT: I tried to disable it but "menu -> advanced -> background audio" always resets to "default".

[deank]

When multiAVCHD saves a mpf file it also saves the whole .ini file inside it. Later when you load a project (mpf) you can get ALL the settings you had when you saved the project. This is what the option does.

If BG audio defaults to [default] it means that the audio file you used is missing. Each time I restart multiAVCHD the setting is kept and BG audio and video files are selected and not reset to [default].

Dean

[colinhunt]

You know what would be a useful feature? A preview of subtitle placement inside a 1920x1080 frame, with guides that display borders of 1.85:1, 2.35:1 and 2.40:1 image inside the frame. It would a big time-saver.

[deank]

That's a nice suggestion and I was planning on adding it soon...

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_sp_fs.jpg

multiAVCHD has one setting for sizes/offsets for all resolutions and does a smart calculation based on current video resolution. The preview shows 1.85, 2.35, 2.4 ARs... although the difference between the last two is not so distinguishable.

There is a separate preview button:

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_sp_fs_b.jpg

You may update if prompted and you'll get the feature.

Dean

[colinhunt]

You may update if prompted and you'll get the feature.
What can I say, but... wow. Talk about supporting your users!

Oh, hey, why couldn't the subtitle preview window actually show a grabbed frame from the video with the subtitles? Oooh, and how about being able to 1) move the subtitles vertically and 2) change font size in the preview screen, and once happy with the offset and size, clicking OK (or closing preview screen) would then copy the offset and font size into the subtitle settings. That would be very cool :)

[MrVideo]

I'm looking into this program as it was recommended.

I've noticed that the NTSC/PAL setting is highly stressed. But, NTSC/PAL has absolutely nothing to do with HD, as they are the color standards for analog video. So, why does this setting even exist?

Are there any recommended x264 commandline options for creating compliant H.264 video for Blu-ray playback from AVCHD DVD discs?

Thanks.

[deank]

The setting exists, because it defines different resolutions and framerates. I doubt that you'll see anything on your TV if you author a disc with PAL setting and 720x576@50i or 1920x1080@50i video.

multiAVCHD creates proper output for selected TV sets (Viera models) and AVCHD camcoders. A PAL TV/camcoder won't accept NTSC content and NTSC one won't accept PAL content. The same is true for SD-DVD output mode and NTSC DVD players.

Blu-ray compliant x264 options would be: level 4.1 with 4 slices or level 4 with no slices, keyint should be equal to the framerate (or may be doubled if bitrate is < 15000kbps), strict b-pyramid, no more than 4 referent frames for 1080p (<=6 for 720p, <=5 for 576i/480i), bitrate ~14000-15000kbps if using DVD media, no weithgp, proper settings for vbitrate and vbufsize, nal-hrd and aud. Also a 'true' AVCHD disc would require only AVC/H.264 video and LPCM or AC3 audio.

Dean

[deank]

That's a nice suggestion and I was planning on adding it soon...

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_sp_fs.jpg


Oooh, and how about being able to 1) move the subtitles vertically and 2) change font size in the preview screen, and once happy with the offset and size, clicking OK (or closing preview screen) would then copy the offset and font size into the subtitle settings. That would be very cool

Oh, hey, why couldn't the subtitle preview window actually show a grabbed frame from the video with the subtitles?

We'll go without the grabbed frame for the moment. :)

// ... and the grabbed frame is there now.
// ... and 4:3 (1.33) AR frame, too. :)

[JoeH]

* With the extensive help from strad who is burning like 20 DVDs a day to help me with the compatibility issues between ver 4.0 and Panasonic/Samsung players - we've got to a point where the new menus will at least SHOW and won't make the player reject the disc. I'll update you when there is news about that and the [AVCHD strict] button will be gone :). (hopefully very soon)

Dean, this is really exciting. Thanks for such an amazing product.

[deank]

Thanks... I hope to get over this issue soon, too! :)

***

I thought adding of the AR frames to the small preview box will be a good idea, too:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_sp_fs_b2.jpg

It shows the bottom part of the 16:9 frame for quick preview and you can use the guide frames for 2.4/2.35/4:3 ARs to reposition the subtitles quickly. Also the OFFSET setting is applied to the small preview (not applied in previous builds).

[Capsbackup]

deank,
I still have trouble with mplayer not working or displaying images when using reauther mode. Even when I click on the preview window, mplayer will not display the contents of these [00:00:00] or [00:00:07] files.
It does display the longer files, with audio, but these are not the ones I am looking for to blank.
Usually if I check these same small .m2ts files with MPC, it does display the warnings, etc.. ( but not always either!)
I thought you mentioned that MPC could be used instead of, or in conjunction with, mplayer if it was in the tools folder? Or was this not implemented?
Though this is not a big deal, :rolleyes: , it can get quite annoying ( and cumbersome ) having to manually open the .m2ts file with MPC to see if it should be blanked.

[deank]

The only thing you can try is to move the preview slider to the far left. If then it doesn't work - I really can't do much. :)

[Capsbackup]

The only thing you can try is to move the preview slider to the far left. If then it doesn't work - I really can't do much. :)

Fair enough, and yes I have tried that and it does work that way sometimes. I slide it and wait, then move it slightly off the left and wait.
But some of these just wont display, and I find them after reauthor completes and I test with TMT3.:( Then restart and blank a few more...:)

[kilbowie54]

I haven't used multiAVCHD for a bit but I used the new version (4.0) this week and the results will no longer play on my Denon 2500BT transport. It seems to be changes to the menu that are causing the problem. When I insert the disc, it "hangs" at the "welcome" screen and won't progress any further - no menu becomes available in order to select a title to watch. The disc will work on a cheap Tevion blu-ray player I bought from the Aldi supermarket in order to play a few Region A blu-rays I have but it won't work on the Region B Denon, which is my main machine. I'm creating the menu as I used to so with version 3.0. Is there anything I can do to get the program to work with the Denon?
Thanks

[deank]

You may try to use [AVCHD strict] button once you click [START]. It will create the same menus as in ver 3.0. Let me know if it works.

[kilbowie54]

Thanks for your prompt reply. I will try this but I'm not sure that it will work. My old Sony BDP300 would play AVCHD discs that I made using Nero 8 from video recorded on my Sony hi-def camcorder but when I bought the Denon in 2008, these discs would not play at all. I discovered that the Denon needs the "9 files and 14 folders" BDMV structure created by the likes of Pinnacle Studio 12 or tsMuxerGUI. I had to use tsMuxerGUI on the m2ts streams created by Nero from the camcorder video to create the structure that the Denon can read. As a result, I've never made anything with the strict AVCHD parameters since, because I'm pretty sure they won't play on the Denon.
I'll make a disc using your suggestion in the next hour or two and report back.
Thanks again.

[deank]

Then make sure to UNtick [x] Stricter AVCHD folder format in AUTHOR tab.

[MrVideo]

The setting exists, because it defines different resolutions and framerates. I doubt that you'll see anything on your TV if you author a disc with PAL setting and 720x576@50i or 1920x1080@50i video.

Thanks for the response, but I think you are missing the point. NTSC and PAL are color techincal standards for ANALOG video. They have nothing to do with the frame rates. NTSC color is normally uses with 525 line 60 (59.97) fields/sec video. PAL color is normally used with 625 line 50 fields/sec video. I say normally, because IIRC, there was a South American country that used 626 line video with NTSC color.

Digital video has no color subcarrier. Digital video is neither NTSC or PAL. Using NTSC or PAL to describe framerates is incorrect. Even 480i or 576i is not NTSC or PAL. The ONLY time that it will become NTSC or PAL is if the player is configured to output the video to an analog TV, at which point the player will convert the video to 525 line or 625 with the appropriate color subcarrier.

And yes, while my monitor won't display (AFAIK) 1080i25 (the number after the i is the frame rate, never the field rate), my Sony Blu-ray player will happily convert the 25 Hz frame rate into 30 Hz for my monitor (over HDMI). The Sony player incorrectly says that it is 1080 60p. Whoever wrote the firmware screwed that up. The same Blu-ray player will happily play 480p23.976 as 1080p on my monitor as well. When I finally get my projection system set up, the projector will handle all of the rates thrown at it.

Digital video is closer to a worldwide standard than ever before. Yes, there is still the issue with 25/50/30/60/29.97/59.94, the HD displays will handle all of them. Especially when using HDMI, as the player and monitor will negotiate capabilities.

The NTSC and PAL setting a bad setting that continues the incorrect believe that deals with frame rates and that it has anything to so with digital video. You only need to list the resolutions and frame rates that are supported for SD-DVD, AVCHD-DVD, Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

If someone selects SD-DVD, you need only list the resolutions and frame rates that are in the DVD standard. Same goes for the other selections. NTSC and PAL needs to be removed so that that myth is not continued.

multiAVCHD creates proper output for selected TV sets (Viera models) and AVCHD camcoders. A PAL TV/camcoder won't accept NTSC content and NTSC one won't accept PAL content. The same is true for SD-DVD output mode and NTSC DVD players.

See above. For HD camcorders, there is no such thing as NTSC and PAL. Yes, as far as resolutions and frame rates are concerned, they do not handle both 25 and 60 Hz frame rates. Describing them as NTSC or PAL is incorrect. I have a friend who lives in the U.K. who was recently in the European mainland and purchased a brand new HD camcorder. It was not a 50 Hz model, as you would expect, it was a 60 Hz model. It seems that 50 Hz models are hard to come by. so, just because you live in Europe doesn't mean that you are going to have a 50 Hz camcoder.

As for the Panasonic models, since I can't find any manuals on their support page, I do not know what frame ratyes are supported. But, as mentioned above, the Blu-ray player and the monitor will negotiate what it can and can't do.

So pleae, to be technically correct, the NTSC and PAL nomenclatures need to be put to rest as they are not digital specifications.

Thanks for the Blue-ray specs and thanks for hearing me out regarding the misuse of the NTSC and PAL definitions.

[deank]

I'm aware what NTSC (4 or 3 or M), PAL and SECAM stand for and I used all as a consumer.

multiAVCHD was initially designed to help Playstation3 and camcoder users.

1) Even in HD, ALL playstations come as PAL or NTSC. All game/video labels for PS3 come as either PAL or NTSC. I just made a picture with my phone of a title which is labeled: [HD 720p | PAL]

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/blu-pal-ntsc-2.jpg

2) AVCHD standard seems to use that tiny little bit/byte to set PAL or NTSC in one of the important files. PAL region camcoders and TV sets will not accept recordings captured with NTSC region camcoders/recorders and vice verse.

3) The TV setting defines the way SD video will be encoded for blu-ray/avchd compliance.

It is not me 'keeping the myth' - it is the manufacturers putting symbols and letters after the NAME/MODEL of their products to mark it for specific region/capabilities.

And here in Europe it doesn't really matter because for ages most players would play both standards.

May be like some developers did, I may have to switch TV selection to "Country selection" to avoid the misuse of PAL and NTSC terms.

Still, even the blu-ray documents mention PAL and NTSC,

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/blu-pal-ntsc-1.jpg

plus the coding of closed captions, plus:

A BD-ROM Terminal is always required to support 60Hz SD configurations. Support for 50Hz SD
graphics configurations is mandatory if 50Hz SD video decoding is supported by the implementation. A
BD-ROM Terminal is required to support 50Hz SD video decoding only whenever required by
particular territory or market. See Part 3-1[3] Section D.2.19 Note 2.

I know it is better to use framerates and resolutions instead of PAL/NTSC, but at the moment I don't think it will help the users (of multiAVCHD) provided the tons of other hard-to-understand options. I'll keep it that way for now.

[drpaulng]

http://sanyovideocam.blogspot.com/2009/12/flicker-test.html

Fluorescent light-scrobe is the issue with 50Hz AC power source that may flicker at 100Hz in European countries. A 60fps capturing with NTSC camcorder may cause asynchronization problem with artificial lightings.

[colinhunt]

... and the grabbed frame is there now.

I thought adding of the AR frames to the small preview box will be a good idea, too:

It shows the bottom part of the 16:9 frame for quick preview and you can use the guide frames for 2.4/2.35/4:3 ARs to reposition the subtitles quickly. Also the OFFSET setting is applied to the small preview (not applied in previous builds).
Dean, you're the MAN. I see another donation coming your way shortly...

[colinhunt]

Heh; first test using the new version, tried to re-author a single title BD and add a subtitle, and something went *ka-blooey*. In the separate subtitle preview screen I just had to fiddle with the left slider (Alignment) and was rewarded by an error message, followed by another error message, after which multiAVCHD erased itself from memory. I re-started multiAVCHD and tried to repeat the error message so I could report what it said, but this time round fiddling with the slider did not produce an error. :)

Subtitle preview did not show a screen grab, but I learned just now that it was because I had ticked the "Disable preview in Title properties" box under Settings. I unticked that and subtitle preview displayed a screen grab. Nice work!

[deank]

The 1st error probably was something about previewing the bitmap or something... the 2nd about calclib... I'll need to disable the 'controls' in the preview page while multiAVCHD prepares the preview. If you click too fast sometimes it may error out, but I'll take a look at it tomorrow :)

Dean

[MrVideo]

1) Even in HD, ALL playstations come as PAL or NTSC. All game/video labels for PS3 come as either PAL or NTSC. I just made a picture with my phone of a title which is labeled: [HD 720p | PAL]

That is because the PS3 still has analog outputs and those outputs are either NTSC analog color or PAL analog color. The PAL, in your picture, describes the SD analog output, not the 720p. It is all very confusing.

While my Blu-ray player will accept any of the standard HD resolutions and frame rates, it will not accept 576i material.

2) AVCHD standard seems to use that tiny little bit/byte to set PAL or NTSC in one of the important files. PAL region camcoders and TV sets will not accept recordings captured with NTSC region camcoders/recorders and vice verse.

Technically, nothing stops a camcorder with native 1080p50 from accepting a media card with material captured at 1080p60 (59.94) other than firmware or a crippled HD chipset. You and know that chipsets are made that handle all of the HD resolutions and framerates. I don't know if the manufacturers think the buying public is too stupid or what, but it would be real easy to make a universal HD camcoder in which you can select any of the resolution standards or frame rates. Hell, camcorders do 50p and 60p and that is NOT in the Blu-ray standard. As mentioned, HD monitors will pretty much accept anything, or negotiated with the player, what it can do. If the camcorder also supports analog output, then that tends to cripple what it can do. U.S. consumer analog TVs were never able to display analog PAL. Unlike lots of analog TVs in Europe.

3) The TV setting defines the way SD video will be encoded for blu-ray/avchd compliance.

Is it only used for SD video compliance, or do the NTSC/PAL also get involved with HD settings in your program? If only for SD video compliance, then I beg your forgiveness and I muisunderstood its usage.

It is not me 'keeping the myth' - it is the manufacturers putting symbols and letters after the NAME/MODEL of their products to mark it for specific region/capabilities.

If the device still outputs analog video, for those who do not have an HD set/monitor, then yes, the NTSC/PAL nomenclature is still needed because of the analog support. If the device is HD only, then there better not be NTSC or PAL anywhere on the device or in the manuals.

May be like some developers did, I may have to switch TV selection to "Country selection" to avoid the misuse of PAL and NTSC terms.

For SD video creation, if the intended output is for analog, then NTSC/PAL is fine. But, if the video chain is to stay digital, then NTSC/PAL is wrong. Because you really do not know the intended final usage, maybe going to a "country selection" would be the way to go.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a majority of uses of software that encodes, renders, burns, etc., knows the difference betweem 480i material and 576i material and where they are used. As I previously mentioned, I have a friend in the U.K. who has a new HD camcoder that is of the 60 Hz variety and he bought it in Europe. You would have thought that finding a 60Hz camcorder in Europe would be difficult. It was easier to find it than a 50 Hz version. The lines aren't solid anymore.

Still, even the blu-ray documents mention PAL and NTSC, plus the coding of closed captions, plus:

Because the intended output is for analog NTSC or PAL players/sets.

I know it is better to use framerates and resolutions instead of PAL/NTSC, but at the moment I don't think it will help the users (of multiAVCHD) provided the tons of other hard-to-understand options. I'll keep it that way for now.

If you only use it for SD video and not also HD video, then it is fine.

As mentioned, if I misunderstood your usage of NTSC/PAL (non-HD usage only), please forgive me.

[MrVideo]

Fluorescent light-scrobe is the issue with 50Hz AC power source that may flicker at 100Hz in European countries. A 60fps capturing with NTSC camcorder may cause asynchronization problem with artificial lightings.

Oh most definately. BTW, it is recording or capturing, not filming. I'd like to see anyone put film into a video camcorder :eek:

My friend also has one of the new 29.97/59.94 fps progressive camcoders and the 9.94 beat frequency is easily seen in video that is shot under artificial lighting (when shot at 59.94p).

He knew that going in, but still bought it anyway.

[colinhunt]

MrVideo certainly has a point. When I started testing multiAVCHD I found myself confused by (and cursing) the NTSC/PAL choices, because neither is really relevant in this day and age of digital video, Blu-ray and HD. At worst they're misleading in the context of multiAVCHD.

My friend also has one of the new 29.97/59.94 fps progressive camcoders
What camera is that, do you know the make and model?

[drpaulng]

Oh most definately. BTW, it is recording or capturing, not filming. I'd like to see anyone put film into a video camcorder :eek:

My friend also has one of the new 29.97/59.94 fps progressive camcoders and the 9.94 beat frequency is easily seen in video that is shot under artificial lighting (when shot at 59.94p).

He knew that going in, but still bought it anyway.

The primary reason for non-unification of NTSC and PAL is historical. Just like the road traffic rules, if you know the cost of renaming a single landmark/town (chain effect), then you should well appreciate why the frequency of power generator should stay as it is. However, one may route around the problem by manually setting the shutter speed according to the light flickering frequency with new models. Setting in sync with shutter speed of 1/100 against the European power source of 50Hz that produces 100Hz of light flickering (an AC power cycle consists of 2 voltage peaks, one +ve, one -ve) will help for an NTSC camcorder that captures with 29.97 fps.

[deank]

Latest update includes a feature that was bothering me for exactly ONE YEAR :) (25th April 2009, 20:33) since the support for SDHC players was added to multiAVCHD (i.e. Panasonic SDHC, Viera TV and camcoder support).

Since day one there was no chapter support and no real thumbnails for the movies/recordings.

Today I had some time and I think finally I got over both the issues. You can read about it here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1394957#post1394957).

I'll be glad to get some feedback about both additions (chapters/scenes and thumbnails). I hope there will be no need to use FF/REW when playing from SDHC card. Chapter/scene skip should work properly now.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!

I guess I read your post #5470 too quickly: Latest update includes a feature that was bothering me for exactly ONE YEAR ...Since day one there was no chapter support...Chapter/scene skip should work properly now.
Could it be? HD-DVD? Oh well ;>}

[deank]

Well... it is for AVCHD structures authored for SDHC cards only. No HD-DVD chapters yet, sorry... All takes time as you can see.

Dean :)

[f362580]

If BG audio defaults to [default] it means that the audio file you used is missing. Each time I restart multiAVCHD the setting is kept and BG audio and video files are selected and not reset to [default].
Actually it was set to "none" and it definitely resets to "default" upon restart. I'm sorry to make such noise over such a minor issue :)

[MrVideo]

What camera is that, do you know the make and model?

Sanyo Xacti HD2000

I must correct myself. Rechecking the e-mail, he bought it in Singapore while on the way to New Zealand for Xmas holiday.

[MrVideo]

However, one may route around the problem by manually setting the shutter speed according to the light flickering frequency with new models. Setting in sync with shutter speed of 1/100 against the European power source of 50Hz that produces 100Hz of light flickering (an AC power cycle consists of 2 voltage peaks, one +ve, one -ve) will help for an NTSC camcorder that captures with 29.97 fps.

I've sent him e-mail to see if this model can do that.

But, thinking about it, I do not think that will work. The 1/100th shutter time (10 ms) is the amount of time that the shutter is open during the ~33ms of the frame rate (or ~16ms for 59.94 fps). You still end up with harmonics with the 50Hz lighting.

[praneeth.gogineni]

hi deank, can you please please add the tvixie thing, it would make me so happy. im begging you.

[JoeH]

MrVideo certainly has a point. When I started testing multiAVCHD I found myself confused by (and cursing) the NTSC/PAL choices, because neither is really relevant in this day and age of digital video, Blu-ray and HD.

Personally the only option I have found to be truly confusing in MultiAVCHD is the choice between PAL / NTSC, as I had never seen it before in an HD video product.

[deank]

Build 748:

* Fixed issues/crashes when multiAVCHD processes imported BDMV structures from a read-only media (or mounted image)
* AVCHDTN folder now has properly generated THUMB.TID and THUMB.TDT for SDHC authoring modes
* AVCHD authoring modes produce proper SCENE/CHAPTER information in all MPL/MPLS playlist files

There is an official firmware update for Panasonic BDP-35 (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd35/bd35_euro.html). It will be nice to know if it fixed the issue with version 4.0 menus (using [AVCHD relaxed] button).

Dean

[deank]

Personally the only option I have found to be truly confusing in MultiAVCHD is the choice between PAL / NTSC, as I had never seen it before in an HD video product.

Oh yeah?

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/tmpg.jpg

Ok, guys... Let's drop the subject with the TV System setting. If you think you don't need it - just don't use it and don't change it.

[cwh060]

Just a small thing with version 748.

The m2ts file preview ability of MultiAVCHD when importing a Bluray folder seems to have reverted back to the black MuliAVCHD.com screen.

Version 747 & 747+ had the ability to decode and show the small m2ts/mpls files (FBI/Copyright) previews.

Thanks
cwh

[deank]

Well... I still can preview them... And there is nothing changed in 748 about that - the changes are about SDHC output and not the preview at all.

[flaviometal]

Hello dean!

Is it possible to make a way to keep only root menu with bg audio, and remove audio from the others menus, or put different audio in chapter/scenes menus?

Thanks!

[cwh060]

Well... I still can preview them... And there is nothing changed in 748 about that - the changes are about SDHC output and not the preview at all.

Looking back, I probably picked the already processed folder where Multi had output the BDRA structure...it was early morning!

Tried the SD conversion from a BR movie, simply outstanding work Dean.

cwh

[MrVideo]

Personally the only option I have found to be truly confusing in MultiAVCHD is the choice between PAL / NTSC, as I had never seen it before in an HD video product.

If all that was produced was HD video, 720p or 1080i/p, then any use of PAL/NTSC would be 100% wrong.

But, if the output is being authored at 480i29.97 or 576i25, then NTSC/PAL only has validity if the analog output is used on the playback device. In a purely digital form, NTSC/PAL has no meaning either.

Pretty much any standalone HD playback device still has native region analog output, which is either NTSC or PAL.

What is interesting is that I believe my Sony Blu-ray player will converted 1080i25 to 480i29.97, but it won't play 576i25 DVDs. Doesn't bother me, since my computer will :cool:

[MrVideo]

Oh yeah?

Just because they got it wrong as well doesn't make it right. If a bunch of sheep were jumping off a cliff to their death, would you follow them?

As long as the release isn't region limiting, I have no problem playing 1080i25 Blu-ray discs - in my standalone Blu-ray player. That is the beauty of HD video; the players and displays can play any of the 720 and 1080 standard frame rates. It is 100% inaccurate to label any HD video as being PAL or NTSC. Just because they have it wrong, doesn't mean that multiAVCHD has to get it wrong as well.

HD video crosses borders much easier than NTSC/PAL analog video.

[drpaulng]

Well, the basic problem (The Original Sin) of NTSC/PAL is because of the local power source. The cost of unification is far much more than the relatively simple interconversion. It should be not an issue for modern equipments. Modern HDTV can accept almost all different formats and display them with a single output format apparently different from the input formats. For example, a 120Hz HDTV can display 120fps while the original Bluray disc has .h264 coded in 24fps or 30fps. My computer monitor display all kinds of video source at 60fps without causing flickering. BECAUSE: The problem is of 3 different levels.

Level 1: matching of artificial light (indoor light source) to the capturing device.
This is utmost important - no later post-processing can correct it easily.

Level 2: interconversion of different frame rates.
This is relatively easy (player). Many player directly output 24fps (including PS3), or using some internal upconversion method to output them into 50fps/60fps...etc.

Level 3: display them with a much better scheme.
This is relatively easy (TV). Many new TVs accepts native 24fps and upconvert them into 60fps or more (120fps, 240fps).

Movie theater plays film with double frame rate rather than the original capture rate. A 24fps movie is first converted to 48fps or 72fps copy film (not the original capture film) in order to cope with the flickering problem (this flickering problem is not the same as what we last discussed, the strobing flickering of 100Hz fluorescent light being capture with 30fps NTSC camcorder). In short our eye still sees light flickering with lower frame rates such as the original movie capture rate at 24fps. It is however, overcome with copy film that doubles or triples the frames in series of 2 or 3 in sequential order and is displayed at 2 times or 3 times faster.

[deank]

Those of you who want to check the latest and finally approved (http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328) Blu-ray x264 demo disc, visit this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1395353#post1395353).

Dean

[JoeH]

Ok, guys... Let's drop the subject with the TV System setting. If you think you don't need it - just don't use it and don't change it.

Dean, just a note to thank you for always responding to all the trouble and suggestions we give you with such a great attitude (I'm serious). I imagine it must be tough to put up with us. ;)

[deank]

:p Thanks!

Let's keep the thread clean for feature requests and sharing experiences. multiAVCHD has its own forum for bug reports and stuff.

ATM I don't really think that the PAL/NTSC-naming is something as important as some other stuff. :)

Dean

//

Latest 748+ build has a fix for using external Blu-ray SUP/PGS files for hard-burning as 1st external track when transcoding. The preview wouldn't show the .SUP, but now it is fixed. Also a fix for one-title compilations and SLI menu - navigating RIGHT from the SETUP button didn't work properly.

Also all AVCHD authoring modes will include AVCHDTN folder with thumbnail database. It is now properly named when authoring for DVD/BD-R, using long-filenames convention (THUMB.TID/TDT for solid-state media and thumbnail.tidx/tdt2 for optical media).

[MrVideo]

I need to dispell some false information here.

Well, the basic problem (The Original Sin) of NTSC/PAL is because of the local power source.

Not true. The video frame rates of the regions came about long before color, in the B&W days. Yes, they were tied to the power frequency. NTSC, as mentioned, is the color specification and has nothing to do with the original frame rate. PAL is also a technical color specification that added color to the 625i25 B&W video. The frame rates came first and then the two technical color specifications were added.

Movie theater plays film with double frame rate rather than the original capture rate. A 24fps movie is first converted to 48fps or 72fps copy film (not the original capture film) in order to cope with the flickering problem (this flickering problem is not the same as what we last discussed,

Sorry but this totally way off-base. Movies (35mm and 70mm) are 24 fps from the original capture in the camera all the way through projection (except when the capture is sped up or slowed down for effect when projected at 24 fps). In the projector there is a two-bladed or three-bladed shutter. That either projects a single film frame twice or thrice. The flicker is either 48 times a second, or 72 times a second, but the film is still projected at 24 fps.

[MrVideo]

Let's keep the thread clean for feature requests and sharing experiences. multiAVCHD has its own forum for bug reports and stuff.

Sorry, I'll have to go find the bug forum. I was pointed here via a link in a totally different forum (not on doom9).

[drpaulng]

I need to dispell some false information here.



Not true. The video frame rates of the regions came about long before color, in the B&W days. Yes, they were tied to the power frequency. NTSC, as mentioned, is the color specification and has nothing to do with the original frame rate. PAL is also a technical color specification that added color to the 625i25 B&W video. The frame rates came first and then the two technical color specifications were added.



Sorry but this totally way off-base. Movies (35mm and 70mm) are 24 fps from the original capture in the camera all the way through projection (except when the capture is sped up or slowed down for effect when projected at 24 fps). In the projector there is a two-bladed or three-bladed shutter. That either projects a single film frame twice or thrice. The flicker is either 48 times a second, or 72 times a second, but the film is still projected at 24 fps.

YES, you are right about the mechanism behind a projector. How it helps with combating flickering by doubling the frame rate from the original is pure mechanical rather than copying the same picture twice and print it sequentially to a new copy. I am sorry, I thought I read it from somewhere else I could not remember.

Thank you for clarifying about the name given to NTSC/PAL. They are not frame rate related? I know nothing about how the two schemes were named. To me, the most important part of NTSC vs PAL is the frame rate because they links to the artificial lightings and somehow related to the old technology of the TV set which depends on the AC power line source to generate TV scan. Because of historical (technical limit) background, the film rate is set at 25fps in 50Hz power source areas and 30fps in 60Hz power source areas. Cinema movies filming at 24fps has to be re-converted for 25fps (speed-up timing artefact) and 30fps (3:2 pulldown motion artefact) before broadcasting.

...but what is your point? What is so difficult to accept these "incorrect" namings to the broadcasting scheme? HDTV has new broadcasting technology and specifications but they are somehow related back to the older technology (so called "backward compatible"). A PS3 does not only plays NTSC SD movies (DVD), it also plays HD movies. An NTSC PS3 cannot play PAL DVD or PAL bluray disc because it is designed to output at 60fps (computer monitors) or 60i for the TV sets in the 60Hz power source area (backward compatible).

multiAVCHD helps to ease the job with "uncrop" function that also converts frame rate. You need to preset your authoring project for NTSC or PAL. A 25fps movie is not working for an NTSC PS3. So, that's all. Maybe there is a conspiracy why HDTV is not unified...commercial factors.

[deank]

Guys, come on! Please!

Once ALL blu-ray players go digital I may consider the PAL/NTSC option.

There are too many players out there which support digital and analogue output.

Playing multiAVCHD output via analogue video connectors MATTERS and then TV SYSTEM setting MATTERS even MORE.

If you want to discuss the NTSC vs PAL in the digital age, please open a new thread and don't spam mine.

Dean

[MrVideo]

Guys, come on! Please!

I've answered Paul via PM

There are too many players out there which support digital and analogue output.

Playing multiAVCHD output via analogue video connectors MATTERS and then TV SYSTEM setting MATTERS even MORE.

I'll respond to this over in the bug area.

[MrVideo]

I'll respond to this over in the bug area.

OK, I do not see a multiAVCHD bug area.

[deank]

Here. (http://multiFORUM.deanBG.com)

***

A quick update (available with multiUPDATE):

* multiAVCHD will honor the "Action after last title" option in AUTHOR tab for SDHC authoring modes. Loop playback is now possible for Viera / camcoders and Panasonic SDHC.

Dean

[Vincent Vega]

hi deank

could you please explain how to get the program not to force transcoding video (h.264 hd-dvd compliant mkv import encoded in megui) when authoring an hd-dvd. I do click "hd-dvd compliant" under alter detected properties, and i do choose "do not transcode", and yet after Start it still pops up window "Please review bitrate.." with no option to choose no video transcoding -(

thank you

[deank]

Set it for transcode. If you selected [x] (HD)DVD compliant, multiAVCHD will enter TRANSCODE routine and will immediately complete it because the file is already compliant. It will not touch the video you imported.

Dean

[Vincent Vega]

here's what i do step-by-step:

-add video only x264 mkv 1080i 29.97fps
-hit Transcode, choose Create hd-dvd title, at which time program changes fps to 23.976, i change it back to Original, hit Apply
-under Alter.. choose [x]HD DVD compliant
-add auduo and subs, hit OK
-press Start, choose HD DVD, no pop-up window this time
-program starts working, in a few secs x264 crashes, soon after multiavchd stops with this log:

[17:20:58] Initialising...
[17:20:58] Checking for new version...
[17:20:58] You have the latest build.
[17:20:58] [27/04/2010] build 748 (latest is: 748) - SDHC mode supports chapters and thumbnails. Improved processing of read-only structures. Better subtitle preview.
[17:20:58] Consistency check finished!
[17:20:58] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[17:20:58] 1 year and 124 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[17:20:58] 288 people supported it with donations
[17:20:58] and you are the 1587011 one to launch the program...
[17:20:58] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[17:20:58] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[17:22:11] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[17:22:11] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 206591.84 MiB (201.75 GiB) free space
[17:22:11] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 206591.84 MiB (201.75 GiB) free space

[17:22:11] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 748)
[17:22:11] Selected output mode: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[17:22:11] Processing one title...
[17:22:12] Processing (D:\---\Test Sample Series_HD DVD_1920x1080i.mkv)...
[17:22:12] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[17:22:12] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[17:22:12] *** Initiating video encoding:

[17:22:12] *** Original : 1920x1080
[17:22:12] *** Crop : 0
[17:22:12] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[17:22:12] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[17:22:12] *** Sharpen : 0
[17:22:12] *** Bitrate : 17646 kbps
[17:22:12] *** Frame rate: Original (29.970)
[17:22:12] *** Level : 4
[17:22:12] *** B-frames : 2
[17:22:12] *** Ref-frames: 2
[17:22:12] *** GOP size : 14 (keyframe min. each 2 frames)
[17:22:12] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[17:22:12] *** SAR : 1:1
[17:22:12] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[17:22:12] *** Profile : HD-DVD

[17:22:12] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:14]
[17:22:12] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 17646 --interlaced --direct spatial --keyint 14 --level 4 --min-keyint 4 --bframes 2 --ref 1 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 17500 --vbv-maxrate 17000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --rc-lookahead 14 --output "D:\---\~multiavchd\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100429\Test Sample Series_HD DVD_1920x1080i.[1920x1080-29.970].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100429-172212-uncrop-running.avs"
[17:22:13] *** Speed : 401.51 fps (elapsed: 00:00:01 - Realtime x 13.4)

[17:22:13] *** Transcoding failed!
[17:22:13] *** Check ffdshow/avisynth/haali (reinstall)!
[17:22:13] *** DEBUG: Try to play [C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100429-172212-uncrop-running.avs] in MPC or other player, which supports AviSynth scripts and report the error to the author!

[17:22:13] Retrying to transcode with FFMS2!
[17:22:13] Stand-by for indexing...

[17:22:13] *** Initiating video encoding:

[17:22:13] *** Original : 1920x1080
[17:22:13] *** Crop : 0
[17:22:13] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[17:22:13] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[17:22:13] *** Sharpen : 0
[17:22:13] *** Bitrate : 17646 kbps
[17:22:13] *** Frame rate: Original (29.970)
[17:22:13] *** Level : 4
[17:22:13] *** B-frames : 2
[17:22:13] *** Ref-frames: 2
[17:22:13] *** GOP size : 14 (keyframe min. each 2 frames)
[17:22:13] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[17:22:13] *** SAR : 1:1
[17:22:13] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[17:22:13] *** Profile : HD-DVD

[17:22:13] *** Stand-by for indexing (ffms2)...

[17:22:13] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:00:14]
[17:22:13] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast --bitrate 17646 --interlaced --direct spatial --keyint 14 --level 4 --min-keyint 4 --bframes 2 --ref 1 --subme 2 --mvrange 511 --partitions p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 17500 --vbv-maxrate 17000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --rc-lookahead 14 --output "D:\---\~multiavchd\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100429\Test Sample Series_HD DVD_1920x1080i.[1920x1080-23.976].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100429-172213-uncrop-running.avs"
[17:22:23] *** Speed : 39.44 fps (elapsed: 00:00:10 - Realtime x 1.32)

[17:22:24] *** Transcoding failed!
[17:22:24] *** Check ffdshow/avisynth/haali (reinstall)!
[17:22:24] *** DEBUG: Try to play [C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100429-172213-uncrop-running.avs] in MPC or other player, which supports AviSynth scripts and report the error to the author!


[17:22:24] No compatible folders/files processed...


i'm on Vista64 SP2, everything else works fine, including other Multiavchd features

[flaviometal]

Dean, sorry for bother you, but can you answer this?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1395257#post1395257

Thanks!

[deank]

here's what i do step-by-step:

-add video only x264 mkv 1080i 29.97fps

For HD-DVD you'll need your video 1920x1080p@23.976. Pulldown will be applied during muxing.

Dean, sorry for bother you, but can you answer this?

I'll add an option soon. Few builds ago there was no audio for these pages but someone asked and I added it.

[Vincent Vega]

ok this time i used 1080p 23.976 and the rest did the same way. hddvdmux.exe crashed. here's the log:

[18:13:47] Initialising...
[18:13:47] Checking for new version...
[18:13:48] You have the latest build.
[18:13:48] [27/04/2010] build 748 (latest is: 748) - SDHC mode supports chapters and thumbnails. Improved processing of read-only structures. Better subtitle preview.
[18:13:48] Your multiAVCHD.exe was just updated!
[18:13:48] Consistency check finished!
[18:13:48] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[18:13:48] 1 year and 124 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[18:13:48] 288 people supported it with donations
[18:13:48] and you are the 1587288 one to launch the program...
[18:13:48] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[18:13:48] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000746]

[18:14:44] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[18:14:44] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 206697.63 MiB (201.853 GiB) free space
[18:14:44] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 206697.63 MiB (201.853 GiB) free space

[18:14:44] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 748)
[18:14:44] Selected output mode: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[18:14:44] Processing one title...
[18:14:45] Processing (D:\---\Test Sample Series_HD DVD_1920x1080p_23.976.mkv)...
[18:14:45] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[18:14:45] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[18:14:45] *** Initiating video encoding:

[18:14:45] *** Original : 1920x1080
[18:14:45] *** Crop : 0
[18:14:45] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[18:14:45] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[18:14:45] *** Sharpen : 0
[18:14:45] *** Bitrate : 16366 kbps
[18:14:45] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[18:14:45] *** Level : 4
[18:14:45] *** B-frames : 2
[18:14:45] *** Ref-frames: 2
[18:14:45] *** GOP size : 14 (keyframe min. each 2 frames)
[18:14:45] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[18:14:45] *** SAR : 1:1
[18:14:45] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[18:14:45] *** Profile : HD-DVD

[18:14:45] *** Title is already (HD)DVD compliant!
[18:14:45] *** Transcoding successful!

[18:14:45] Demuxing video...
[18:14:46] Successfully demuxed H.264/AVC video stream...
[18:14:46] Detected frame reference count: 3 (max:4).
[18:14:46] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=3
[18:14:46] Detected audio: ID#1:A_AC3 (48000Hz 2ch) Language: und
[18:14:46] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #1...
[18:14:46] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[18:14:47] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[18:14:47] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\---\~multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100429\test sample series.ac3.t1.ac3", lang=und
[18:14:47] Adding external subtitles (Test Sample Series.srt) (und)
[18:14:47] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[18:15:06] HD-DVD muxing failed!
[18:15:06] DEBUG INFO: "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\hddvdmux.exe" "D:\---\~multiavchd\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100429\videodump.264" "d:\---\~multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100429\test sample

series.ac3.t1.ac3" "D:\---\~multiavchd\AVCHD\[HD-DVD]\Test Sample Series HD DVD 1920x1080p 23" 0

[18:15:06] No compatible folders/files processed...


also couple of questions:
-is 1080p only hd dvd spec limitatation, or program's? i thought 1080i was allowed for hd-dvd
-why does it to transcode 2 channel ac3 track, i disabled all audio conversion. is 2 channel ac3 also not compliant?

thanks very much

[deank]

Why don't you just try to make all in multiAVCHD?

1080p23.976 + AC3 is a limitation of hddvdmux. Audio is always reencoded to AC3 (even if it is already AC3).

You need to do it all in multiAVCHD to ensure proper AVC/H.264 stream. I don't know what version of x264 you used nor the settings in meGUI.

[Vincent Vega]

i initially wanted to use Multiavchd for video encoding, but i still fail to understand how the x264/mpeg2 settings work here, by default it offers 4000Kbs bitrate, say, for Blu-ray which is way too low, it also allows to set bitrate as high as 99999 and start encoding afterwards, but that's non-compliant, right? how do i get it to encode at best quality and at the same time within the max bitrate allowed by the chosen standard BD,AVCHD,SD/HD DVD?

also i want to keep my audios intact, encoded elsewhere, and only muxed into the compilation. is it possible? or, if not, how do i control choice of encoder and encoder's settings?

[deank]

If burning to DVD the max bitrate should be ~14000 for BD/AVCHD and max 40000 if burning to BD-R/RE. For SDDVD - 8000, for HDDVD 8000-10000.

If you wish to use your original audio - use hddvdmux directly from the command line, feeding it with the raw .264 + .ac3 files.

//

The latest small update restricts transcode options: b-frames: 1-3 (4 removed), vbv buffer is properly set to the max (30000) blu-ray output.

[Vincent Vega]

ok thank you, i'll try that.

so for hd-dvd: i uncheck Delete temporary files, encode to x264 in Multiavchd, find it in _Temp, hddvdmux with my audios and subs from commandline, correct?

also, ref 4, bframe 3, level 4.1, as i understand, are acceptable for all the formats (BD,AVCHD,HDDVD), and 2 pass VHQ is the best quality, right?

why is bframe 4 setting available, where can it be used?

[deank]

bframes 4 was just removed and for hddvd multiAVCHD will alter the selected options to a different keyint/ref/bframes.

I'd suggest that you first do a short test with quicker options (me personally never use 2pass vhq...) and check the result. You can use 1pass or 1pass turbo for hddvd and check the quality. bframes are set to 2 for hddvd.

[Vincent Vega]

Dean, something else i don't understand. what's the relation between bitrate (40000) and vbv-maxrate (24000), for BD-R for example?

also after indexing resulting encode with dgavcindex i see bitrate overshoots up to 46322, is that ok?

[Vincent Vega]

i have one more question:

how do i make an anamorphic avchd? do i feed it 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 script? and what settings do i make under Transcode?

if i give it 1440x1080 x264, choose Resize 1920x1080, and Do not transcode, it works fine and sets sar to 4:3.

but if i give it 1440x1080 script, choose resize 1920x1080, and Transcode, it encodes to 1920x1080, sar 1:1, not what i want.

[deank]

You leave it to "1440x1080". It will produce 16:9 anamorphic with sar 4:3.

[deank]

The latest 748+ build includes few very important fixes and additions for all AVCHD authoring modes (all 8 buttons after you click [start], except [For all Blu-ray players], [HD-DVD] and [SD-DVD]).

* Fixed inaccurate length value of the UIAppInfoAVCHD extension data block (PLEX) in playlist files, introduced with PlayListMarkExt data block (scene/chapter support for SDHC)
* Added new extension data block MakersPrivateData in playlist files to ensure full compliance with AVCHD requirements
* Added IISVPL virtual playlist folder with VPL/vpls user virtual playlist files
* AVCHDTN and IISVPL are kept in each VOLUME after a volume split

* HDAVCTN folder is removed if empty
* HDAVCTN folder should contain title/scene thumbnail database, similar to the one in AVCHDTN folder for compliance with BD-ROM recorders (recording directly to BD-R media). I'll add the database in one of the next builds. Not too many people out there using such recorders yet. :) (may be some in Japan but not in US/EUR region)

With these additions after almost 750 builds the 100% AVCHD authoring compliance is now finally achieved in multiAVCHD (provided you use compliant source video and audio streams)

Dean :p

[JoeH]

Congratulations!

[deank]

Does anyone by chance have the Panasonic's HD Writer AE2.0 which comes with the newer camcoders? Please PM me if you have some of the AE versions.

Dean

[Adub]

The latest 748+ build includes few very important fixes and additions for all AVCHD authoring modes (all 8 buttons after you click [start], except [For all Blu-ray players], [HD-DVD] and [SD-DVD]).

* Fixed inaccurate length value of the UIAppInfoAVCHD extension data block (PLEX) in playlist files, introduced with PlayListMarkExt data block (scene/chapter support for SDHC)
* Added new extension data block MakersPrivateData in playlist files to ensure full compliance with AVCHD requirements
* Added IISVPL virtual playlist folder with VPL/vpls user virtual playlist files
* AVCHDTN and IISVPL are kept in each VOLUME after a volume split

* HDAVCTN folder is removed if empty
* HDAVCTN folder should contain title/scene thumbnail database, similar to the one in AVCHDTN folder for compliance with BD-ROM recorders (recording directly to BD-R media). I'll add the database in one of the next builds. Not too many people out there using such recorders yet. :) (may be some in Japan but not in US/EUR region)

With these additions after almost 750 builds the 100% AVCHD authoring compliance is now finally achieved in multiAVCHD (provided you use compliant source video and audio streams)

Dean :p

Great! I'm working on a new project with a few friends and they will be excited to hear that the final output will be fully AVCHD compliant. Thanks for the great work Dean!

[Vincent Vega]

hi Dean,

i just tried to do a vc-1 blu-ray with stream preencoded with wmv9 AP in wmencoder. i get this error in the log:

Possible tsMuxeR failure to process your input file (E:\--\Test Sample Series_BD_1920x1080i_WVC1.wmv)

is there a workaround for this? should i use some other app to create m2ts with vc-1, then feed it to multiavchd?

[DruidCtba]

Hey how to play my AVCHD project 1080p@60fps in my PC "WITH MENUS"?

[Adub]

You need a AVCHD compatible player like PowerDVD or TotalMedia Theater.

[DruidCtba]

How to run with PowerDVD, I have PowerDVD 9 but nothing MENU from MultiAVCHD appears in PowerDVD, how to do PowerDVD show me ACVHD Menus?

[Adub]

Assuming you bought the version that supports AVCHD, the menu's should work automatically. Simply use the "Load from harddrive" option when choosing your source. Sometimes dragging and dropping the BDMV folder onto the main window works as well. I don't own PowerDVD so I couldn't tell you much more than that.

[setarip_old]

@DruidCtba

Hi! How to run with PowerDVDEither burn a disc and play it with PowerDVD or create an .ISO image file and mount it with Virtual Clone Drive (NOT Daemon Tools).

Power DVD no longer recognizes folders from hard drives for playback "As BluRay disc" (hasn't since v.8.xxx)

[f362580]

multiAVCHD 748+ creates strange stretched 1920x2160 XMB chapter select menus.

[Fastbke170]

Hello Dean,
Just wanted to confirm Samsung BD-1590(Cheap $89.99 Bluray Player) after upgrading a friends unit who was internet challenged to latest Firmware which was released 3/25/2010. All MultiAVCHD 4.0 authored movies (and I have many) Play perfectly!! Menu Navigation and all!!:):thanks:

Will

[Vincent Vega]

You leave it to "1440x1080". It will produce 16:9 anamorphic with sar 4:3.

yep, that works with 1440x1080 script to be encoded to x264.

but does not seem to work with 1440x1080 vc1-in-m2ts as input (with "Do not transcode" setting). i tried all kinds:
1440x1080 (no change)
1440x1080
1440x1080 (4:3)

specs i think allow anamorphic for both these codecs.

could you fix this please?

[deank]

A quick note about Viera/Panasonic SDHC authoring modes:

Since the scenes/chapters are already available I decided to make it a bit user-friendly, so now your SDHC card will show your movies title names (and not multiAVCHD) and then each scene/chapter will display its start time (HH:MM:SS) - much more useful:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_viera_MP_1.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_viera_MP_2.jpg

Also something very interesting: Since the AVCHD compliance is already achieved it turned out that all SDHC output modes:

Playstation 3
Panasonic SDHC
TV/Cam

are compatible with each other. In other words I created a compilation for Playstation 3 with menus and stuff and copied it to a SDHC and the Viera TV played it (without the menus of course). Of course your compilation needs to have all titles in the proper framerate (25fps for PAL or 23.976 for NTSC).

[MrVideo]

In other words I created a compilation for Playstation 3 with menus and stuff and copied it to a SDHC and the Viera TV played it (without the menus of course). Of course your compilation needs to have all titles in the proper framerate

Do these Viera TVs not really handle all of the HD standards? It is really shortsighted if these sets in the U.S. do not handle 1080i25, or sets overseas not handling 1080i29.97.

[MrVideo]

@Dean:

Can multiAVCHD be run via the commandline?

I pretty much do all of my H264 work via sophisticated cygwin Z-shell scripts. I now have the script set up (under test) to create filename.264 output that is AVCHD compliant (based on the options used to create the excellent AVCHD x264 demo DVD). I'm currently testing to see that I have all of the options correct. In any event, once they are, I'll be creating 1080p23.976 H.264 files from 1080i29.97 2:3 source material or 720p23.976 from 720p59.94 2:3 source material. But will have a separate AC3 file. I'll have to update the script to take DVB-S/S2 sources that only have MP2 audio tracks and create an AC3 2.0 track. I use the eac3to tool for that.

In any event, I'd like to be able to supply command line options to multiAVCHD to create consistant AVCHD files, or must I use the GUI to create the menus?

Chapter location text file will be created manually.

[deank]

Do these Viera TVs not really handle all of the HD standards? It is really shortsighted if these sets in the U.S. do not handle 1080i25, or sets overseas not handling 1080i29.97.

The European models handle all framerates, but NOT when playing back AVCHD from a SDHC card. It is a very restricted mode and the set will play only 25/50 sources and the us models only 30/60 sources.

About command line usage of multiAVCHD - you can't do that. You can start it with parameter - a project file and it will load it but that's it.

[deank]

Major version change: Version 4.1 build 750 (4.1.750).

* Requires full-download (http://download.videohelp.com/deanbg/multiAVCHD_4.1.exe) (mirror) (http://multiAVCHD.deanBG.com/download/) or DAT update (http://download.videohelp.com/deanbg/multiAVCHD-DAT.exe).

Version change is needed to indicate AVCHD standard compliance for disc and solid-state-media authoring modes (DVD/BD/USB/SDHC/MMC/MS).

* Added: [x] Shutdown when finished option in SETTINGS tab. User can use the option while multiAVCHD is working if one forgot to tick it in the output selection window. (req'd)

* Added: [x] Use background audio for main menu only option. Setup and Chapter menu pages will get no audio. (req'd)

* Added: Proper thumbnail database in AVCHDTN folder even when no thumbnails are extracted.

* Added: Scene/Chapter thumbnails for all AVCHD modes.

* Added: Scene/Chapter names as chapter-time in playlist files for AVCHD authoring modes.

* Achieved: Full compatibility between all AVCHD output modes (framerate restrictions may apply for TV/Cam players)

***

* textST, readSUP and splitMKV command-line-tools (CLI) are updated to show simple pop-up box when started without parameters (in full-download).

Dean
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_thumb.jpg

[Emulgator]

Doh! He did it again. Awesome.

[flaviometal]

Power DVD no longer recognizes folders from hard drives for playback "As BluRay disc" (hasn't since v.8.xxx)

It doesn't recognizes compatible AVCHD folders since 10.X versions. Older versions will work fine (I'm under 9.X)

How to run with PowerDVD, I have PowerDVD 9 but nothing MENU from MultiAVCHD appears in PowerDVD, how to do PowerDVD show me ACVHD Menus?

You must open the software, then click "CTRL+O" to open the "Select Source" menu, then go to "Folder", and finally open your AVCHD compatible folder. All menus will work.

I suggest TotalMedia Theater: it's simply the best soft that works with this type of media.

Major version change: Version 4.1 build 750 (4.1.750)...

Dean, thanks A LOT!

[Adub]

Holy heck, Dean!

You are freakin' amazing! Thanks so much for the update!

[deank]

The European models handle all framerates, but NOT when playing back AVCHD from a SDHC card. It is a very restricted mode and the set will play only 25/50 sources and the us models only 30/60 sources.

Ok... I spend the good part of the day trying to prove myself wrong. There is this 1 byte (a bit actually) in the extended part of the extension data block of each .clpi/.CPI file which affects the playback by defiing the horizontal resolution of an AVCHD clip (something not available in Blu-ray standard). Any mismatch between m2ts properties, mpls settings and clpi information causes AVCHD players to reject the input with 'incompatible format' error message.

So now (after setting this byte) I'm able to play 1920x1080p@23.976 in my (PAL) Viera TV without any 23.976->25.000 speed-up (keeping the source 100% unchanged).

Until now multiAVCHD would force AVCHD clip/playlist properties to 1440x1080 (25/30fps) (for TV/Cam and Panasonic SDHC modes), but with the proper option applied, 1280x720 and 1920x1080 resolutions are properly detected and set.

I hope that the NTSC versions will be able to do the same with 25fps sources, but I'll know soon when I get feedback from users with such sets once I update multiAVCHD.

It will be the latest addition to build 750 to get all straightened up. If I had access to an AVCHD player (different that the super-forgiving PS3) an year ago I would've done it last summer, not now :)

:) Dean

[MrVideo]

Is the tutorial web page available as a PDF? I like to have a printed copy when working with software like this.

I tried printing the page, but it failed horribly. The on-screen text color/background combination results in very light grey text on a white background. The death is that it printed a few pages and then lost it while trying to deal with the images.

[deank]

The tutorial is totally outdated (build 600 I think) and will probably not help you at all.

[RazerZone]

Hi deank,

I just wanted to say thanks for such a great program! I do have a question though (and it's probably something simple that I'm doing wrong)........I never had a problem with it in Build 746 (I think) but since updating to 747 and beyond I'm having problems with getting just a blank screen as the menu screen when I play my burnt disc in my PS3. I normally use a static image with some background music on the XMB style menu. I add my media as normal, create motion thumbnails, when I preview it all it's fine but after I've created the compilation and burnt to a DVD+R DL I just get a blank menu screen on my PS3 during playback. I can actually start the videos and skip through the titles etc, so all the media is watchable, it's just the playback of the menu screen thats a problem.....and this was never a problem for me back in build 746 or earlier. The latest disc I created actually showed the menu screen on first load up, BUT if I pressed the button to move down to the next file the screen just goes blank again!

Is this something simple I'm just missing when creating the compilation? I'm using a PS3 connected via HDMI to a 46" Sony X series TV (dunno if you would need this info...but thought better to give u as much info as poss).

Thanks again for this great program and hopefully you can point me in the right direction as to where I'm going wrong!

[deank]

I don't know what could be wrong. I test each build in my PS3 and the menu shows properly in 1080i50 and 1080p24.

Download the full package with version 4.1 and make sure you set the proper options in AUTHOR tab and also check your PS3/TV Display/Video settings for 24Hz.

Dean

[RazerZone]

Thanks for the quick reply Dean, I'll download the latest version and give it a go! Like I said, all was fine up to about build 746, but for some strange reason after that it just wont play ball!

Thanks again, it's all very much appreciated.

[drpaulng]

Thanks for the quick reply Dean, I'll download the latest version and give it a go! Like I said, all was fine up to about build 746, but for some strange reason after that it just wont play ball!

Thanks again, it's all very much appreciated.

Most likely to be NTSC/PAL incompatibility.

[deank]

Try a complete full-download. It may be related to x264 version or something... Can you play 8001*.m2ts files with a PC player (like MPC)?

Is your PS3 PAL or NTSC version?

What is the latest firmware you installed? Did you update your PS3 to the latest 3.30+? Build 746 was published almost one month... A lot of things may have changed.

[sreemv]

Sorry if this is a repeat question but I am trying to play the multiAVCHD authored/re-authored BD backup via external USB drive on a playstation 3 - but PS3 keeps complaining "no titles" but I am able to display "details" and play individual m2ts files.

Is there a specific dir structure to keep on the drive for it to recognize it as a 'title' and playback with menus? Thanks in advance.

[crl2007]

You can't see menus from hard-disk. You need to burn it to disc for the menus to display.

[sreemv]

Umm.....you might be mistaken? If it needs to be burned to a bluray disk, why bother re-authoring/splitting them to 4GB pieces? something is a miss?

[crl2007]

No, I am not mistaken. Displaying menus from hard-disk is impossible because the firmware does not support it. It is a license thing. If it was to add this option, then the cost for a PS3 would have gone up. And that split thing is for FAT32 system. FAT32 does not support individual files bigger than 4 GB.

[MrVideo]

The tutorial is totally outdated (build 600 I think) and will probably not help you at all.

So, what does a nub read to learn about the program and how to use it?

[sreemv]

No, I am not mistaken. Displaying menus from hard-disk is impossible because the firmware does not support it. It is a license thing. If it was to add this option, then the cost for a PS3 would have gone up. And that split thing is for FAT32 system. FAT32 does not support individual files bigger than 4 GB.

So, as far as re-authoring for PS3 goes, all one needs is a m2ts splitter? multiavchd does nothing else for PS3?

If thats the case, sorry I misunderstood.

[deank]

@sreemv: You need to have the structure as X:\AVCHD\BDMV\INDEX.BDM where X: is you USB HDD. Then your PS3 will play the reauthored disc as the original with all features as the BD title.

@crl2007: You're wrong. PS3 plays AVCHD/Bluray from USB/SDHC/MemoryStick complete with menus, DTS audio, VC1 video etc... no need to burn to DVD or BD-R. That's the main idea for the reauthoring and the [SONY Playstation 3] button. You drag your original BDMV folder (from the ripped disc) and click [Playstation 3]. Then multiAVCHD transfers the original, splits the larger files to 4GB chunks, rewrites the playlists and clpi files and you get all set. I already did it few times with Ghost Rider and Cruel Intentions Blu-ray titles.

@MrVideo: Sadly I had no time to update the guide... There were so many changes for the last months that I need to rewrite it completely.

[SpAwN_gUy]

Can you play 8001*.m2ts files with a PC player (like MPC)?
btw, i am NOT able to play those (tried 750build).. is it normal?

thanks for a great app, just stated usin' it(i've heard of it.. a long time ago and kept in mind,... tho my friend gave me his ps3 a year ago :) )
what i have in mind: is it possible to read embeded-fonts from MKV to render specially styled ASS/SSA subtitles?
or should i use some kind of external app to make "prettySUP"?

just tried one title yesterday and it had spec-styled ASS subs for some strange non-existing language on some kind of "blue-faraway-planet-with-expensive-minerals"..
and i ended with totally not displaying subs (i've muxed only Forced Styles ASS subs) :(
day ago i've been doin some other title with previous 4.0 build and it made nice subs from embeded srt.

ADDED: one other question: i've got 720p23... level 4.1 DXVA h264 video with ref 8, but when i tried to mux it (is the same title blue-...), i've got a "message" that ref-frames MUST be 7. but i'm able to play this title from a usb-stick on ps3(no lags, etc..).
Q: Is this Correct? (ref7, not ref8).

10x in Advance

[deank]

Make sure you have the proper versions of avisynth, haali splitter and ffdshow (check here (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17)).

If you use [x] advanced subtitle processing option you'll get the original ASS/SSA. Otherwise multiAVCHD will extract the SSA and convert them to SRT.

Dean

[deank]

A quick note about some changes in 750+:

* Changed: Error prompt replaced with Warning in the LOG when importing folders/files with non-ANSI characters. If subsequent processing fails I'll not consider it as a bug. For best results it is always better to use only ANSI symbols for paths/files (a-z).

* Fixed: [x] Set 12 equal chapter jumps option. If not selected, multiAVCHD will not auto-create 12 chapters, but will use only one (00:00:00.000) or will import the embedded marks from the imported file.

* Fixed: Proper AVCHDTN thumbnail is used for all titles when using only 1 chapter mark (TV/Cam).

Dean

[sreemv]

@sreemv: You need to have the structure as X:\AVCHD\BDMV\INDEX.BDM where X: is you USB HDD. Then your PS3 will play the reauthored disc as the original with all features as the BD title.


Thank you, Dean! That worked flawlessly!!!

Now, If only we can figure a way to have multiple titles on a USB HDD to be browsable and playable ;) I am sure that day is close ;)

[deank]

Well, PS3 recognizes one AVCHD folder and one only.

If you don't care to keep the original blu-ray menu, multiAVCHD allows you to create up to 252 titles in a single compilation (in one AVCHD folder).

If you don't like it, you can create AVCHD folder for each movie/video like:

AVCHD_Movie1
AVCHD_Video3
AVCHD_BDRA

But then you'll need a PC to rename the one you want to watch in the PS3. You can do it manually (renaming for example AVCHD_Movie1 to AVCHD) or use "AVCHD Manager" application - it will do it for you.

Dean :)

[deank]

ADDED: one other question: i've got 720p23... level 4.1 DXVA h264 video with ref 8, but when i tried to mux it (is the same title blue-...), i've got a "message" that ref-frames MUST be 7. but i'm able to play this title from a usb-stick on ps3(no lags, etc..).
Q: Is this Correct? (ref7, not ref8).

In fact the maximum number of referent frames for 720p is 6. PS3 is forgiving enough and can play videos, encoded with higher number of ref frames. For 1080p ref is max 4.

[crl2007]

@crl2007: You're wrong. PS3 plays AVCHD/Bluray from USB/SDHC/MemoryStick complete with menus, DTS audio, VC1 video etc... no need to burn to DVD or BD-R. That's the main idea for the reauthoring and the [SONY Playstation 3] button. You drag your original BDMV folder (from the ripped disc) and click [Playstation 3]. Then multiAVCHD transfers the original, splits the larger files to 4GB chunks, rewrites the playlists and clpi files and you get all set. I already did it few times with Ghost Rider and Cruel Intentions Blu-ray titles.

Some of my friends on NTSC PS3 did not succeed after re-authoring with multiavchd. The menus wouldn't display. It did like for the original ripped and split disc. So I spoke out of knowledge.

And a bug that I found is the fact that after re-authoring, a series disc is bigger. I had a 15 GB ( only 2 small episodes ) one and after re-authoring it was 22 GB. The first episode worked, but the second was the original one. And the one that was multiplied has been edited, but it can't be used.

[frank]

How can I change the Title thumbnail??
multiAVCHD takes automatically the first frame of the movie, but such frames are ever black ones.
Looks very ugly in the chapter menus.
Any solution?

[deank]

Title thumbnail is not black and has nothing to do with the chapters. And no - you can't change the 1st chapter thumbnail.

There is a workaround if you replace the .jpg file in HDAVCTN folder and then re-author the compilation. It takes few minutes.

[deank]

A quick note about some changes in 750+:
* Fixed: [x] Set 12 equal chapter jumps option. If not selected, multiAVCHD will not auto-create 12 chapters, but will use only one (00:00:00.000) or will import the embedded marks from the imported file.

* Fixed: Proper AVCHDTN thumbnail is used for all titles when using only 1 chapter mark (TV/Cam).

In addition to the above:

* 1st scene/thumbnail in AVCHDTN index (for TV/Cam) will show the title thumbnail and not the 1st chapter (which is usually black). This way you'll get the root menu in the BDP/TV/Camcoder navigator to show the title thumb (user or auto generated) for each title. Much more useful.

* [-] Set 12 equal chapter jumps & [x] Set auto chapter at title end options will get you 2 chapters per title: one at start and one at end. (thanks to Nic for reminding me of the second option, which was ignored)

* Some other minor changes to improve stability (less random crashes with read access in calclib.dll)

Dean

[Rudy A-Traxx]

* [-] Set 12 equal chapter jumps & [x] Set auto chapter at title end options will get you 2 chapters per title: one at start and one at end.
Great - Thanks a lot !

[MrVideo]

@sreemv: Sadly I had no time to update the guide... There were so many changes for the last months that I need to rewrite it completely.

I can fully understand the no time issue.

[Betsy25]

Hi deank,

With the latest build 750+ , default installation, selecting "AVCHD/BDMV/DVD Folders" tab, and opening Dark Shikari's Blu-Ray (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154183), selecting no specific options, but immediately STARTing the output job to PS3.

It produces an error like this :
http://i44.tinypic.com/au8o3q.png

And when the resulting tree is copied to <USB-Stick>:\AVCHD\***

PS3 says : No titles found.

[JoeH]

Hi Dean! A quick suggestion - it might be better to always bump up the build number instead of adding a "+" every other build. I mainly say it just because I'm never quite sure if I have the "+" build or not, or at least it takes a while to figure it out. For example, right now I open up the program and it says I have the most recent build, but then it says that I have build 750 simply, nothing about a "+". To see if I have the "+" build I suppose I'd have to go by the date of the build, and then check on the forums when that build was published if I really wanted to be sure, etc. Anyway, if you always bump up the number it would eliminate that possible confusion. Thanks for such a great program!

[deank]

Hi deank,

With the latest build 750+ , default installation, selecting "AVCHD/BDMV/DVD Folders" tab, and opening Dark Shikari's Blu-Ray (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154183), selecting no specific options, but immediately STARTing the output job to PS3.

Strange... Does this file exists in the path? And where did you save the BDMV folder from DS's blu-ray? I hope not in multiAVCHD's temp folder.

Try to set your TEMP and destination folders... also a log will help.

[Betsy25]

Strange... Does this file exists in the path? And where did you save the BDMV folder from DS's blu-ray? I hope not in multiAVCHD's temp folder.

Try to set your TEMP and destination folders... also a log will help.

- There are no files directly in the output path ( C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\ ) , but only in the 2 subdir beneath them ( AVCHDTN and BDMV ).
Please see directory contents below.

- The BDMV folder from DS's blu-ray is mounted as drive K: using Virtual CloneDrive (Elaborate Bytes)

- The temp folder is at the default ( c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\ )
- The destination is at the default ( C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\ )

Logfile :
[14:17:02] Destination path does not exist!
[14:17:02] Changed to: C:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\
[14:17:02] Initialising...
[14:17:03] Checking for new version...
[14:17:03] You have the latest build.
[14:17:03] [03/05/2010] build 750 (latest is: 750) - Version 4.1. All AVCHD authoring modes should be fully compliant to the specifications.
[14:17:03] Consistency check finished!
[14:17:03] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[14:17:03] 1 year and 131 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[14:17:03] 291 people supported it with donations
[14:17:03] and you are the 1644792 one to launch the program...
[14:17:03] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[14:17:03] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04010750]
[14:17:18] *** [X264_416x...] - 416x240 -> 1872x1080 ( 24, 0)
[14:17:18] *** [X264_640x...] - 640x360 -> 1920x1080 ( 0, 0)
[14:17:18] *** [AVS] Detecting script properties [Picture slideshow (2 pictures)[MAVCPSS-001].avs]...
[14:17:21] *** [AVS] Video: 1920x1080 @ 23.976fps, Duration: [00:00:10.220]
[14:17:21] [TRANSCODE]: Title#01 4000 kbps, 1920x1080 -> 1920x1080


[14:17:26] MAKER/Equipment ID: BLU-RAY DISC, Publisher: []

[14:17:26] *** 1. Title #1
[14:17:26] *** Scanning playlist (00000.mpls). Please wait...
[14:17:27] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[14:17:27] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 00:09:56.458] [00:10:00.000]
[14:17:29] *** Detected media file: [00002.m2ts, 00:09:56.458] (756 MiB)
[14:17:29] *** Detected media file: [00004.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[14:17:29] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:10:00.000] [IGS]
[14:17:29] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:09:56.416
[14:17:29] *** Playlist duration : 00:09:56 (756 MiB)

[14:17:29] *** 2. Title #2
[14:17:29] *** Scanning playlist (00001.mpls). Please wait...
[14:17:30] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[14:17:30] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 00:00:21.208] [00:10:00.000]
[14:17:32] *** Detected media file: [00001.m2ts, 00:00:21.194] (30 MiB)
[14:17:32] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:00:21.166
[14:17:32] *** Playlist duration : 00:00:21 (30 MiB)

[14:17:32] *** 3. Title #3
[14:17:32] *** Scanning playlist (00002.mpls). Please wait...
[14:17:33] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[14:17:33] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 00:10:53.791] [00:10:00.000]
[14:17:35] *** Detected media file: [00003.m2ts, 00:10:58.080] (887 MiB)
[14:17:35] *** Detected media file: [00004.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[14:17:35] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:10:00.000] [IGS]
[14:17:35] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:10:53.750
[14:17:35] *** Playlist duration : 00:10:58 (888 MiB)

[14:17:35] *** 4. Title #4
[14:17:35] *** Scanning playlist (00003.mpls). Please wait...
[14:17:36] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[14:17:36] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 00:05:35.601] [00:10:00.000]
[14:17:38] *** Detected media file: [00000.m2ts, 00:05:43.871] (592 MiB)
[14:17:39] *** Detected media file: [00005.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[14:17:39] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:10:00.000] [IGS]
[14:17:39] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:05:35.585
[14:17:39] *** Playlist duration : 00:05:43 (593 MiB)

[14:17:39] *** 5. Title #5
[14:17:39] *** Scanning playlist (00004.mpls). Please wait...
[14:17:39] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[14:17:39] *** Detected main-path : [ID#000 Dur: 00:00:00.041] [00:10:00.000]
[14:17:39] *** Detected media file: [00006.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[14:17:39] *** Detected media file: [00007.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[14:17:39] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:10:00.000] [IGS]
[14:17:39] *** Playlist duration : 00:00:00 (0 MiB)

[14:17:39] Added Blu-ray disc in re-author mode.
[14:17:39] In re-author mode multiAVCHD funcionality is restricted.

[14:18:19] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[14:18:21] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 58713.36 MiB (57.337 GiB) free space
[14:18:21] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 58713.36 MiB (57.337 GiB) free space

[14:18:21] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.1 (build 750)
[14:18:21] Selected output mode: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)


This is all that was output to the destination dir ( C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\ )

C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\AVCHDTN\thumbnail.tdt2
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\AVCHDTN\thumbnail.tidx
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\MovieObject.bdmv
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00000.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00001.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00002.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00003.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00004.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00005.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00006.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00007.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00002.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00003.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00004.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00000.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00001.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00002.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00003.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00004.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00005.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00006.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\CLIPINF\00007.clpi
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00002.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00003.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00004.mpls
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00003.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00005.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00006.m2ts
C:\multiAVCHD\BDRA\BDMV\STREAM\00007.m2ts

[deank]

Ok... When you load the BDMV folder answer with NO to the prompt for importing pictures for slideshow. (or untick [x] Prompt for importing pictures option in Settings).

I get the same error when importing the pictures - will be fixed.

*** Fixed in build 751. multiAVCHD will ignore pictures if \BDMV\ is found in the path - it will prevent picture-slideshow-prompt when user imports BD titles for reauthoring.

[frank]

There is a little bug in mkv import.
When you import a mkv file with german labeled chapters then multiAVCHD adds an unwanted de string to the chapter name.

[18:38:37] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04010750]
[18:39:51] Loading original chapters (H:\BD_DiePaepstin\DiePaepstin.720p.mkv).
[18:39:51] Chapter name at [00:00:00.000]: de 1 Filmstart
[18:39:51] Chapter name at [00:04:50.875]: de 2 Johanna will lernenThe language string disappears when it is changed to english.

[deank]

It is not a bug. multiAVCHD just removes the "en:". There is no way to know what info is stored in the 'chapter names'.

[frank]

Hmm, I think the language label is NOT content of the chapter name itself. Should be an attribute.
Players like MPC show it correct.

[colinhunt]

Dean, a quick note about reauthoring. I did a BD25 movie-only backup with the latest BD-RB and dropped the resulting BDMV directory into multiAVCHD for re-authoring. I added one audio track (BD-RB output has no audio tracks) and one .srt subtitle. In the subtitles tab I ticked "Force display of first subtitle track" box, but when I play the reauthored disc, I have to enable the subtitle track manually; i.e. the "Force" option does not work. I can force the subtitle on by dropping multiAVCHD output into ClownBD, ticking the "Force subtitle" box and letting ClownBD remux the data.

Should the "Force display of first subtitle track" option work in re-author mode? Any chance of fixing it so I don't have to run the data through ClownBD?

[deank]

Yes, Force option is only for the normal authoring mode, because it requires writing to the MovieObject.bdmv and in re-author mode multiAVCHD doesn't touch the original *.bdmv files.

I don't know what clownBD does. "Force display" is one thing and "Forced subtitles" is another thing. What do you do once you use ClownBD?

[colinhunt]

"Force display" is one thing and "Forced subtitles" is another thing. What do you do once you use ClownBD?
In "Step 1", I enter multiAVCHD output directory as source, tick a box labeled "Force Subtitles" (box hint text is "Check this box to always turn on subtitles") and click 'Next' for a screen where I choose which video, audio and subtitles streams are included. In that screen I also choose whether to use Unconverted audio (or core, or encode to DD/DTS) and select output format (TS, M2TS, Blu-ray). I select unconverted audio and Blu-ray output format, and when I click 'Next', ClownBD calls eac3to for an analysis pass (done in seconds), followed by "eac3to 3rd pass" (~10-15 minutes, a demux pass) and tsMuxeR remux pass.

So basically ClownBD switches the single subtitle track to "enabled by default" mode and copies video/audio/chapters without re-encoding. I could do the same with tsMuxeR if it had an option to Force subs on.

[Betsy25]

Ok... When you load the BDMV folder answer with NO to the prompt for importing pictures for slideshow. (or untick [x] Prompt for importing pictures option in Settings).

I get the same error when importing the pictures - will be fixed.

*** Fixed in build 751. multiAVCHD will ignore pictures if \BDMV\ is found in the path - it will prevent picture-slideshow-prompt when user imports BD titles for reauthoring.

Thanks, fixed.:)

[deank]

So basically ClownBD switches the single subtitle track to "enabled by default" mode and copies video/audio/chapters without re-encoding. I could do the same with tsMuxeR if it had an option to Force subs on.

Ok, I guess I didn't read your previous post properly. You said you used BD-RB to do a movie-only backup, which you then used in multiAVCHD. That's another story...

You can load the movie playlist (00000.mpls) in multiAVCHD and use the normal authoring mode. There is no need to do re-authoring, since it is a simple movie-only title.

Dean

[colinhunt]

You can load the movie playlist (00000.mpls) in multiAVCHD and use the normal authoring mode. There is no need to do re-authoring, since it is a simple movie-only title.
Argh, stupid me. You're right, I should've done that instead. Thanks!

[Beatnut]

Hey dean, I got a Sony BDP-S300 and i have 1 rewritable burned that works, but i cant seem to get the other 2 working, i use the "For all bluray players" function, i use imgburn to burn, (using the function in the settings menu) and i used the same burn speeds for all, what could cause this problem?

and is there a way to load up all the settings i used for the blu ray RE that works and apply them to my default settings, or at least find out what these settings were?

Greeting, Beatnut

[deank]

The settings are stored in the project file in the output folder (multiAVCHD.mpf or in AUXDATA). If you enable loading the settings ([-] Discard settings from project.... UNTICKED) and if you drag the BDMV folder of the working BD you'll see what your settings were.

[deank]

I was thinking last night of one option that was missing in the transcode window. I really wanted to be able to 'zoom' some film aspect ratios back to 16:9 so they can fit 100% on my TV screen - much like what some TV broadcasters do when broadcast a 1:2.4 movies. Of course you'd loose some picture info from both sides, but since most movies are shoot even for 4:3 broadcasting - it is not so bad.

The option is in the Crop T/B box in transcode settings. All values with "%H" are zoom/crop factor which you can change to fit the proper resolution.

It is possible to zoom 1920x1080 directly to the anamorphic SD-DVD resolution, removing the black bars, or keep 1920x1080 or resize down to 1280x720... Whatever you wish.

1080p->1080p
http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_1080p_org.jpg http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_1080p.jpg

1080p->720p
http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_1080p_org_2.jpg http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_720p.jpg

1080p->SD-DVD/720x480
http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_480p.jpg


You can leave just the half of the black bars and not fully expand the frame. Proper values are usually 17%H and 33%H, but you'll have to try it yourself.

720p->720p with half-size black bars
http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_720p_org.jpg http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_zoom_720p_half_black_bar.jpg


Dean
:rolleyes:

[deank]

And another addition useful for camcoder users. If for some reason you delete your playlist/clpi files or get the structure broken, but still have your .MTS files, multiAVCHD will extract the recording date and time from each mts file and will use it as a 'title name' to ease the things...

Panasonic, Sony and Canon record the date in the m2ts video packets so extraction takes just few milliseconds. I didn't find such information in JVC camcoder recordings.

If date/time is detected - information will be displayed in the LOG, too:

[15:57:08] Detected Recording Date/Time: 2009/01/19 01:32:01 [C:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS].
[15:57:10] Detected Recording Date/Time: 2009/01/19 01:34:06 [C:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00001.MTS].
[15:57:12] Detected Recording Date/Time: 2009/01/19 01:34:17 [C:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00002.MTS].
[15:57:14] Detected Recording Date/Time: 2009/01/19 07:59:03 [C:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00003.MTS].

...

Compilation summary:
Format: Panasonic Viera TV (SDHC) (PAL)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 2009/01/19 01:32:01 (00000) [00:00:06]
2. 2009/01/19 01:34:06 (00001) [00:00:05]
3. 2009/01/19 01:34:17 (00002) [00:00:05]
4. 2009/01/19 07:59:03 (00003) [00:00:05]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:00:22
Output size : 37 MiB (0.036 GiB)

[Beatnut]

Hi dean, ive done some research, the reason for the Ps3 and probably more blu ray players to not read BD-RE is this https://hdcookbook.dev.java.net/source/browse/hdcookbook/trunk/DiscCreationTools/cpistrip/README.txt?rev=427&view=markup

It is because certain bytes are meant to be 00 instead of 01 or whatever, the bD player checks this, and then decides not to play it, it has to do with the CDISTRIP

is there any way this can be fixed in the near future?

[deank]

It has nothing to do with multiAVCHD. tsMuxeR will set the copy-protection off while muxing (I believe) and AnyDVDHD will do, too. There is nothing to fix in the m2ts files produced by multiAVCHD. What is the source you used for these 2 non-working BD-REs?

//

You can check it yourself with HEX editor if you open the M2TS file and look at the 1st byte. If it is >$3f then it means the copy-protection is still on.

[Beatnut]

The source as in, the mkv file? i used an episode of Lost, and tried AVCHD burned to BD-RE and used BDMV 1.1 burned to BD-RE, the working disc contains The Dark Knight and The hurt locker with BDMV 1.1

But since they are Rewritabe, i used a whole range of source files, HD Trailers etc. but no succes.

i can fix this by muxing with TsMuxer but switch ON copy protection?

[deank]

Copy protection has nothing to do with it. I really don't know what the problem could be.

[AJ500]

And another addition useful for camcoder users. If for some reason you delete your playlist/clpi files or get the structure broken, but still have your .MTS files, multiAVCHD will extract the recording date and time from each mts file and will use it as a 'title name' to ease the things...



Thanks!

[deank]

Today's updates:

* Added: Panasonic HDC-TM300 in manufacturers selection
* Added: .TP file extension support (DviCo Fusion capture cards format)
* Fixed/Changed: Processing playlist files with existing ExtensionData is changed. multiAVCHD will remove and recreate the segment to improve compatibility and scene changes.
* Fixed: [merge playlists] button now works properly with AVCHD output, because of the fix mentioned above.

Dean

[Betsy25]

Thanks, fixed.:)

Ok... When you load the BDMV folder answer with NO to the prompt for importing pictures for slideshow. (or untick [x] Prompt for importing pictures option in Settings).

I get the same error when importing the pictures - will be fixed.

*** Fixed in build 751. multiAVCHD will ignore pictures if \BDMV\ is found in the path - it will prevent picture-slideshow-prompt when user imports BD titles for reauthoring.

Hi Dean,

Although the DS's blu-ray does now play on the PS3 after conversion, there are irregularities, best seen as banding on the bottom part of the sailing boat video.

If I simply copy the original .m2ts files to USB stick, PS3 will play them visually perfect, but no audio is detected.

[deank]

You know that both playback modes are completely different. The file mode and AVCHD/Blu-ray modes in PS3 are like two completely different applications.

There is no way that the authoring process itself causes such banding. You may check your TV settings. For example my PS3 is set to 1920x1080p but when you play back 1280x720 in AVCHD/Blu-ray mode, the TV will switch to 720p with different profile.

Dean

[crl2007]

There is no way that the authoring process itself causes such banding. You may check your TV settings. For example my PS3 is set to 1920x1080p but when you play back 1280x720 in AVCHD/Blu-ray mode, the TV will switch to 720p with different profile.

Dean

I concur.

@deank I was right a few days ago, PS3 can't play java menus from HDD. The ones made with multiavchd yes, but the original java ones no.

[deank]

It was mentioned in the re-author announcement post back in January. Original IG menus work, not Java. It was removed by sony with firmware 2.5.

Also when you import Java authored title multiAVCHD prompts you if you're going to use it with PS3 and switches to normal authoring mode if you indicate so.

[colinhunt]

Tried to create an AVCHD BD5 with three 720p matroska files, with motion menus & burned-in subtitles, and relaxed AVCHD mode. According to the log, multiAVCHD chose Strict mode regardless ("Strict AVCHD Folder mode is enabled...") and then something went wrong when creating the menus. Unfortunately I had ticked the "delete temp files" box and lost the menu creation .avs files but managed to save the .log (attachment removed). The app also sent you three error reports, I believe.

edit: Noticed now that I had a tick in the "Stricter AVCHD folder format" under Author. D'oh!

[deank]

This tick option affects only folder creation (like no CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/etc) and has nothing to do with the [AVCHD strict] menus.

Your attachment needs approval, so I can't see it.

Also multiAVCHD does not send anything. The pop-up says: REPORT THE ERROR to the author, which means that you (the user) must report it when you play the AVS script.

[colinhunt]

This tick option affects only folder creation (like no CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/etc) and has nothing to do with the [AVCHD strict] menus.
Allrighty.

Your attachment needs approval, so I can't see it.
Damn. How's this: http://www.sendspace.com/file/x8jma2

Also multiAVCHD does not send anything. The pop-up says: REPORT THE ERROR to the author, which means that you (the user) must report it when you play the AVS script.
Oh, OK. The wording and the Yes/No buttons sort of hinted that by selecting "Yes" the app would generate and send a report. My bad. Clicking "Yes" opened Mplayer which did nothing but show a totally green screen.

[deank]

A green screen would mean that you don't have the proper directshow chain/decoder to decode the video used in the menu.

You used FFms2 for the main transcoding, but it can't be used for menu encoding. Since you lack directshow decoder/splitter for m2ts+h.264 - it fails.

[colinhunt]

A green screen would mean that you don't have the proper directshow chain/decoder to decode the video used in the menu.
I think it's actually because I'm running my encoding box over Remote Desktop. I tried to preview the menu, got the green screen again, and noticed that Mplayer status window shows a DirectX error, "your videocard can't display overlay" or something like that.

You used FFms2 for the main transcoding, but it can't be used for menu encoding. Since you lack directshow decoder/splitter for m2ts+h.264 - it fails.
I don't remember ticking the FFms2 box ever. Is it ticked by default? I mean, I can't think of a reason why I would've ticked that box.

[deank]

No, it is not ticked by default, but your log says:

[12:42:02] *** Stand-by for indexing (ffms2)...

[colinhunt]

No, it is not ticked by default, but your log says:

[12:42:02] *** Stand-by for indexing (ffms2)...
Yeah. Once you mentioned it, I noticed that the "Use FFms2" box was ticked under Settings. I just don't remember ticking it and I can't see a reason why I would have. Weird! :)

[deank]

Most probably because without it you won't be able to transcode anything. :)

[colinhunt]

Most probably because without it you won't be able to transcode anything. :)
Well, it's this same box I use with BD-RB, RipBot264 and MeGUI, and they all work fine. I've got FFDshow, Haali and Avisynth installed as per BD-RB's requirements.

[deank]

It could be something about the motion menus... Try with static menu + static title thumbnail.

[colinhunt]

It could be something about the motion menus... Try with static menu + static title thumbnail.
I'm running another attempt of the same project now, this time with FFms2 unticked, to see if that affects the result. If that fails, I'll try static.

[deank]

It makes no sense to do that, because menu encoding is a different procedure and it will fail again.

Also reduce the bitrate a bit more, because you got ~300MB oversize and it won't fit on a DVD5.

[colinhunt]

It makes no sense to do that, because menu encoding is a different procedure and it will fail again.
I thought you said menu encoding failed the last time because FFms2 was ticked? This time it's not ticked. How does the menu encoding differ from 'regular' encoding?

Also reduce the bitrate a bit more, because you got ~300MB oversize and it won't fit on a DVD5.
Yeah, I noticed it was oversized... but I used the "fit all" button and chose DVD5. I'm not entering bitrates manually.

[deank]

Your compilation failed with menu encoding. FFms2 has nothing to do with it. I mentioned it because if one doesn't have proper decoders/filters transcoding (of titles) will still work if FFms2 is selected, but the menu will fail.

You can enter a lower value in the [transcode media fit] option in AUTHOR tab and when you click FIT-ALL don't select DVD5 but you'll see the size you enter in AUTHOR tab, so select it (for example enter 4200).

[Laurent]

Hi. I am a new user of multiAVCHD. Thank you to deank, that's a great piece of software.

Here are few questions:

1) when I add a MKV file, a text file is created by multiAVCHD to store the chapters from the MKV. This file has a suffix .srt which can make confusion with subtitles. I am no more sure about that but I believe that the file is even automatically loaded as an external subtitle track instead of an external chapter file. A reason for that ?

2) would it be possible with the AVCHD authoring to reset default audio and subtitle tracks to first tracks when changing title with the menus ?

3) in my compilation, depending on the title, I would like to have the first subtitle track automatically displayed or not. Would it be possible with the authoring ?

4) during the process of authoring, I noticed that a step consuming a lot of time is the chapter thumbs extraction (when not yet done a first time). Why is it so time consuming ? What and how is it done ?

[deank]

1) *.chap.eng.srt is created as subtitle track from chapter marks, because it is useful with concerts/audio-albums. You can remove the track in title properties if you wish.

2) I'll look into it

3) Chapter extraction takes about 20-30 max (on my slow laptop) for 20-40 chapter thumbs extraction. It is done via avisynth in one step (if your title is not split across more than 4 m2ts files). Speed depends on you codecs/filter configuration.

[colinhunt]

Your compilation failed with menu encoding. FFms2 has nothing to do with it. I mentioned it because if one doesn't have proper decoders/filters transcoding (of titles) will still work if FFms2 is selected, but the menu will fail.
OK, the process is done, without errors. Things I changed between 1st and 2nd run:
- FFDshow AVC decoder from ffmpeg-mt to libavcodec (something keeps changing it to ffmpeg-mt)
- FFDshow MPEG2 decoder from libavcodec to libmpeg2
- unticked FFms2 box
- NO burned-in subtitles
- unticked "Delete all files in temp folder"

Tried to play output by dropping BDMV folder in ArcSoft TMT. Menu audio plays, but menu isn't visible. I can see the greenish overlay selection graphic box, but nothing else. Menu appears to work even if I don't see it.

You can enter a lower value in the [transcode media fit] option in AUTHOR tab and when you click FIT-ALL don't select DVD5 but you'll see the size you enter in AUTHOR tab, so select it (for example enter 4200).
2nd run came out oversized as well, so I'll try that for the 3rd one.

edit: Since multiAVCHD behaves rather badly if one doesn't quit and restart it before starting another run, I saved the entire project before quitting the app. When I restarted multiAVCHD and loaded the project, source file paths had been altered from original folder to temp folder.

[deank]

1) It is always better to restart multiAVCHD between runs
2) Always save the project before you start a compilation run

[colinhunt]

3rd run done. Size was now OK (set to 4200 under Author) but motion menus are no go. What settings do I need to use to have working motion menus on the PS3 and BD5? Or is that an impossible combination?

[deank]

I have no problems with any menu style (be it motion or static). Encoding failures are out of my reach and I can't help. It all depends on users' PCs abilities.

The best way to verify all is to use the menu preview and the 'real-time avs preview' (not via remote-desktop)!

[colinhunt]

I have no problems with any menu style (be it motion or static).
On the PS3? Which firmware version?

Encoding failures are out of my reach and I can't help.
But apparently there were no encoding failures:

[17:31:56] Preparing authoring information...
[17:31:56] Creating NTSC top menu.
[17:31:56] Authoring menu (NTSC).
[17:31:56] Creating title thumbnails for 3 titles (CAR)...
[17:32:06] Image processing for CAR menu completed!

[17:32:06] Preparing menu pages...

[17:32:06] Encoding motion CAR menu page [1/3] [Motion title thumbnail].

[17:32:49] Encoding motion CAR menu page [2/3] [Motion title thumbnail].

[17:33:24] Encoding motion CAR menu page [3/3] [Motion title thumbnail].
[17:33:58] Menu authoring completed.
[17:33:58] Setting main menu for 3 titles...
[17:33:58] Loop mode after last title.
[17:33:58] Setting menu properties...
[17:33:58] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[17:33:58] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[17:33:58] Completed.
[17:35:07] Preparing AVCHDTN database...
[17:35:08] Database and index created!
[17:35:08] Done!

[deank]

Firmware 3.15 but I guess it doesn't matter.

You use [avchd relaxed] then burn to DVD (putting BDMV folder on the DVD) and it should work.

[colinhunt]

I peeked into the BDMV/STREAM folder. It contains 9 files:

00000/00001/00002.m2ts - these are the three episodes, 1280x720x29.97fps, 1+GB each
80010/80020/80030.m2ts - I'm guessing these are motion menu backgrounds, 2MB each, 1920x1080x23.976fps
90010/90020/90030.m2ts - 72KB each, no idea what these are, thumbnails perhaps?

I might have an idea about what went wrong with the motion menus... hmm, or maybe not.

[colinhunt]

Dean, about those motion menu background .m2ts-files... should I be able to play them on VLC or MPC-HC? VLC shows no video but plays the background audio. MPC-HC opens the file but refuses to start playing it; running time stays at 00:00 and screen stays black.

[deank]

Yes, any player should be able to play 8***0.m2ts files (like MPC or VLC).

[colinhunt]

Yes, any player should be able to play 8***0.m2ts files (like MPC or VLC).
Motion menu with motion thumbnails results in an unplayable .m2ts. Static menu with motion thumbnails .m2ts plays fine on VLC and MPC. What could be the cause of this?

[pio011]

Hi Dean & everyone,

I have a strange new problem: I have just compiled a BR50 Disc with 5 mkv-titles. When I played it with TMT3, it all played fine. After burning it, it still played well but: I cannot open the setup and chapter (sub)menus. When I try to open them, I can only hear the navigation-sound, but no chapter/setup menu shows up nor does the "navigation symbol" (the frame that shows you where you are). What did I do wrong?
Maybe this is a hint: when I open the submenus in TMT3 it works, but the format is wrong: the picture suddenly looks like a 16:9 movie on 4:3 screen with no black bars - everything is stretched :confused:

Thanks in advance for your answer(s)!

[colinhunt]

Bit the bullet and created a project with 8 episodes (1280x720x29.97fps), static Carousel with motion thumbnails. Menu .m2ts files for episodes 1, 2, 7 and 8 came out fine (approx. 20MB each), but .m2ts files for episodes 3-6 are only 2MB each, and don't work/play.

When I drop the BDMV folder in TMT, I can navigate the menu and skip over the faulty .m2ts files by pressing left or right arrow button several times. Background music keeps playing but video appears to freeze when TMT is trying to show the motion thumbnail for episodes 3-6.

Dean, is there any way I could create the menu .m2ts files for episodes 3-6 without doing the entire project all over again?

[colinhunt]

Ran the 8 episode project last night for the 2nd time. This time menu .m2ts files for episodes 3-5 came out not working.

[deank]

To re-create the menu there is no need to run all from scratch. Just drop the created folder to multiAVCHD and it will simply move the videos to the new location and will recreate the menu.

I don't know what happens at your side, but I create over 10 compilations a day and all works fine. Try to use XMB menu style.

[colinhunt]

To re-create the menu there is no need to run all from scratch. Just drop the created folder to multiAVCHD and it will simply move the videos to the new location and will recreate the menu.
I'll try that, thanks.

I don't know what happens at your side
Aren't you curious to find out and fix the problem (if there is one)? It's odd that out of the 8 menu files 5 come out fine, and there's no mention of any problems in the log file.

[deank]

I'm curious.

You said pages 1, 2, 7 and 8 are okay... It means that when a menu page contains more than 5 title thumbnails it causes failure at your side for some reason.

page #1: - - - 1 2 3 4
page #2: - - 1 2 3 4 5

page #7: 4 5 6 7 8 - -
page #8: 5 6 7 8 - - -

You can also try the option in MENU/Extended [x] Create single title menu pages

[colinhunt]

This might help, or not. I ran multiAVCHD on a 64-bit Vista which has the same FFDshow, Haali etc. as my encoding box, updated multiAVCHD to build 752, and dropped the earlier 8 episode compilation BDMV directory into Media window and clicked Start. Like you said, the app started rebuilding the compilation. Episodes themselves were copied over fine, but then:

[14:03:14] Preparing authoring information...
[14:03:14] Creating NTSC top menu.
[14:03:14] Authoring menu (NTSC).
[14:03:14] Creating title thumbnails for 8 titles (CAR)...
[14:03:20] Image processing for CAR menu completed!


[14:03:20] Preparing menu pages...

[14:03:21] Encoding static SLI menu page [1/8] [Motion title thumbnail].
[14:03:32] Error encoding main menu page #1!
[14:06:10] Final output may be corrupted!
[14:06:10] Trying to use TITLE-LIST menu as main menu...

When the DEBUG dialog window appeared, I selected "Yes". Mplayer started and played the motion thumbnail menu just fine! I closed Mplayer and multiAVCHD began working on motion thumbnail menu #2. It reported another error, DEBUG window appeared, I clicked Yes, and Mplayer plays the motion thumbnail menu perfectly.

[colinhunt]

I'm curious.
Great! :)

It means that when a menu page contains more than 5 title thumbnails it causes failure at your side for some reason.
But I had some problems even with compilations that had only 3 episodes in them... didn't I?

[deank]

Do you have [x] 64bit option enabled for x264 in SETTINGS tab? If not - check it. If you do - uncheck it.

Did you change the versions of x264 in tools folder?

Dean

[colinhunt]

Do you have [x] 64bit option enabled for x264 in SETTINGS tab? If not - check it. If you do - uncheck it.
It's unchecked in both PCs. I'll try checking it.

Did you change the versions of x264 in tools folder?
Nope, didn't touch any of the tools.

[colinhunt]

Heh. Now the "rebuilding compilation by dropping in BDMV from multiAVCHD output" no longer works. Exact same source folder as last time, same PC, and multiAVCHD complains about missing playlists:

[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00002.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00003.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00004.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00005.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00006.mpls
[14:37:26] Imported playlist missing: X:\TEMP\mAVCHD_OUTPUT\BDRA-20100511-014939\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00007.mpls

Source playlist folder contains 8 .mpls files but they are named 00301-00308.mpls.

[deank]

Because you imported one from a previous attempt, not the last one. Pay attention.

[colinhunt]

Because you imported one from a previous attempt, not the last one. Pay attention.
I even double-checked... Too many directories, obviously. Hell, I'll start over.

[colinhunt]

Do you have [x] 64bit option enabled for x264 in SETTINGS tab? If not - check it.
Checking the 64bit option stops encoding right away. I don't have any other 64-bit tools (avisynth, ffdshow etc.) installed. Would multiAVCHD require any other 64-bit tools besides the 64-bit x264.exe?

[deank]

No, it doesn't.

Your pc setup has issues with decoding/encoding. You'll need to find a way to solve them. Either remove ffdshow/haali/avisynth, reboot and install them again or do something else to get it working.

A lot of people reported such errors and once they set the correct versions of the tools all worked.

As a last resort you can try the MPEG-2 option to encode menus (to exclude x264 from the suspects). The option is in MENU/Extended tab. Set your MPEG-2 encoder in SETTINGS to HCenc. If it fails again then it means that the problem is with your decoders and avisynth.

[colinhunt]

A lot of people reported such errors and once they set the correct versions of the tools all worked.
Would the tools recommended/required by BD-RB be OK? I can uninstall everything and re-install the jdobbs recommended versions (although I have them installed already, but I guess a clean-up wouldn't hurt). Could you list what versions of Avisynth, Haali etc. you're using?

[deank]

BD-RB's should be okay. multiAVCHD recommends these:

http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

[pio011]

Here's my request:

I have a strange new problem: I have just compiled a BR50 Disc with 5 mkv-titles. When I played it with TMT3, it all played fine. After burning it, it still played well but: I cannot open the setup and chapter (sub)menus. When I try to open them, I can only hear the navigation-sound, but no chapter/setup menu shows up nor does the "navigation symbol" (the frame that shows you where you are). What did I do wrong?
Maybe this is a hint: when I open the submenus in TMT3 it works, but the format is wrong: the picture suddenly looks like a 16:9 movie on 4:3 screen with no black bars - everything is stretched :confused:

Thanks in advance for your answer(s)!

[deank]

It means that the menu pages are encoded in a wrong resolution, caused by settings in ffdshow (or other directshow decoder if you use one). ffdshow settings like [x] Subtitles, [x] Resize, pre/post processing filters may affect the encoding of these menu pages. Re-check the settings or re-install your ffdshow.

[pio011]

It means that the menu pages are encoded in a wrong resolution, caused by settings in ffdshow (or other directshow decoder if you use one). ffdshow settings like [x] Subtitles, [x] Resize, pre/post processing filters may affect the encoding of these menu pages. Re-check the settings or re-install your ffdshow.

I only use ffdshow (what others are there? Does CoreAVC count?) and there's nothing checked for post-processing. The only thing I've done is deactivating H.264/AVC in order to let windows use CoreAVC. But anyway: 1. why is my ps3 not showing/opening the sub menus at all? and 2. why are the other menus (main menu) working perfectly?

Edit: I have just checked the encoded menu files on the final disc: The (sub)menu files for chapters/setup are incredibly small and are encoded in the wrong format ("stretched") and wrong resolution: 1920 x 2160 (??). Again the main menu files are perfect,
Also: I use you suggested ffdshow/avisynth version.

[rack04]

Dean, do you need any recent x264 builds with long nal hrd start code support?

[colinhunt]

Your pc setup has issues with decoding/encoding. You'll need to find a way to solve them. Either remove ffdshow/haali/avisynth, reboot and install them again or do something else to get it working. A lot of people reported such errors and once they set the correct versions of the tools all worked.
I uninstalled Avisynth, FFDshow and haali, cleaned the registry, rebooted and installed the versions you recommended, and rebooted again for good measure.

64-bit x264 encoding is still not working, and I honestly can't understand why not. My Win7 64-bit installation is almost vanilla, I haven't installed any codec packs, and BD-RB, RipBot264 and MeGUI all work, although in 32-bit. Any suggestions are most welcome (but please note that I have no choice but to access the encoding PC over Remote Desktop.)

edit: Something good did come out from the uninstall/clean-up/reinstall process. I ran the 8-episode compilation last night, with full motion menu and motion title thumbnails, and it came out perfectly!

[colinhunt]

Dean, a couple of issues. First, how is the subtitle burn-in supposed to work? Apparently it can't use muxed-in subtitles from MKVs. It works from external subtitle file only, and requires a two-pass encode?

Subtitle preview: the episodes I've been struggling with all have internal .ASS subs which multiAVCHD then converts to Blu-ray subs. It seems to me that one of these settings, "Enable advanced processing for text-based SRT/SSA/SUB subtitles", "Post-process SRT/SSA subtitles" or "Parse and fix SRT/SSA subtitle files" has a radical effect on the resulting font size - and subtitle preview does not reflect that.

I noticed that when I didn't have those three options enabled, a font size of 42 resulted in a very large font. Some of the text lines were so long that they did not fit entirely on the screen. When I enable those three options, size of 42 results in a much smaller font. Since subtitle preview is not aware of this, the preview is useless in trying to figure out the correct font size.

[deank]

Hard-burning subtitles works only when transcoding - no other way and it doesn't require 2pass.

ASS/SSA subtitles may set their own fonts and sizes and when used with Advanced processing and multiAVCHD can't control that so you get what is set in the SSA file. If advanced processing is disabled SSA/ASS is converted to SRT and then multiAVCHD font/size is applied.

Subtitle preview is for regular SRT/SUB text based subtitles and is correct. I'm using size set to 45 and subtitles look exactly the same size in all resolutions: 480i/576i/720p/1080p. I always use Advanced processing and never ASS/SSA subtitles.

[colinhunt]

Hard-burning subtitles works only when transcoding - no other way and it doesn't require 2pass.
OK, so these mkv episodes with muxed-in .ASS subs... should the sub burn-in have worked with transcoding? Because it didn't.

[pio011]

Here's my answer to your last post #5631:
I only use ffdshow (what others are there? Does CoreAVC count?) and there's nothing checked for post-processing. The only thing I've done is deactivating H.264/AVC in order to let windows use CoreAVC. But anyway: 1. why is my ps3 not showing/opening the sub menus at all? and 2. why are the other menus (main menu) working perfectly?

Edit: I have just checked the encoded menu files on the final disc: The (sub)menu files for chapters/setup are incredibly small and are encoded in the wrong format ("stretched") and wrong resolution: 1920 x 2160 (??). Again the main menu files are perfect,
Also: I use you suggested ffdshow/avisynth version.

Also, I have installed the version of avisynth, haali and ffsdshow recommended for BD-RB's. Maybe thats the problem? :-(
Sorry if I am bugging you :devil:

[frank]

Selected Motion menu duration: 0 No limit (use as is) doesn't work. You ever get default 32 secs video and than still frame(s) until the menu audio ends.
Menu file was 1080p 24p and 90 sec from BD.

If you generate a XMB Menu with SAME menu file all things are ok.
Carousel not tested.

[deank]

It is implemented only for XMB menu style. I asked for feedback from users if it works okay - 1 or 2 posted back.

[deank]

Dean, do you need any recent x264 builds with long nal hrd start code support?

Yep :) Thank you!

[Wolfe999]

Just a simple question (and sorry if it was asked and answered before): Can I install two versions of multiAVCHD, say v3 & v4 without any conflict between said versions?

Thank you and congrats for a splendid program (be sure that as soon as you make it pro I will buy it) :)

Edit: Forgot to ask this: Lately it takes ages to open the projects already loaded (sometimes 1 minute to change fps or do any change) when before it was very quick. I have an i7 920 overclocked succesfully to 3.6, with 6GB RAM, with no connection to the net and only programs dedicated to the processing of BluRays or MKVs, like BD-Rebuilder or multiAVCHD. No codec packs whatsoever. Any clue at what may be causing this?

Thanx again :)

[Music Fan]

Can I install two versions of multiAVCHD, say v3 & v4 without any conflict between said versions?
Yes, I did it. You just have to put it in different folders of course.

[Wolfe999]

Yes, I did it. You just have to put it in different folders of course.

Thanx for your prompt answer, Music Fan. Will do it :)

[deank]

Thank you and congrats for a splendid program (be sure that as soon as you make it pro I will buy it) :)

I believe multiAVCHD will never go $$$, so don't worry :)


Forgot to ask this: Lately it takes ages to open the projects already loaded (sometimes 1 minute to change fps or do any change) when before it was very quick.

Such behavior changes were reported numerous times and in 100% of the cases it turned out that the user installed/uninstalled a program that affects PC's directshow decoding capabilities, or removed/installed codecpacks which cause the trouble.

Dean

[Wolfe999]

I believe multiAVCHD will never go $$$, so don't worry :)

Truly and sincerely I wasn't worried and I meant it when I said I'd buy it. So I think a donation is in order :) Thanx again.


Such behavior changes were reported numerous times and in 100% of the cases it turned out that the user installed/uninstalled a program that affects PC's directshow decoding capabilities, or removed/installed codecpacks which cause the trouble.

Dean

Will play uninstalling programs and see the results :thanks:

[Dolsen]

Just a simple question (and sorry if it was asked and answered before): Can I install two versions of multiAVCHD, say v3 & v4 without any conflict between said versions?

Thank you and congrats for a splendid program (be sure that as soon as you make it pro I will buy it) :)

Edit: Forgot to ask this: Lately it takes ages to open the projects already loaded (sometimes 1 minute to change fps or do any change) when before it was very quick. I have an i7 920 overclocked succesfully to 3.6, with 6GB RAM, with no connection to the net and only programs dedicated to the processing of BluRays or MKVs, like BD-Rebuilder or multiAVCHD. No codec packs whatsoever. Any clue at what may be causing this?

Thanx again :)

Hi,

Have a look at this post from me, just in case this is the reason for "takes ages"...
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1373689&postcount=4400

Bye,
Dolsen

[Wolfe999]

Hi,

Have a look at this post from me, just in case this is the reason for "takes ages"...
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1373689&postcount=4400

Bye,
Dolsen

Hi, Dolsen,

that's exactly what's happening to me! I counted the time to enter in extended properties of the compilation and then in transcode and it was 30 secs each time.

What I can't seem to understand or get to see or know is the way to "tell" "mx264.exe" to use always ffdshow, as I don't see anything "asking" me what it should use.

Please, could you explain to me how to do it, because I experience the same with the mouse and the freezing of other functions on the PC during those darned 30 secs.

TIA
Wolfe

Edit: Of course I ticked "show spawned tools", but I see nothing.

[pio011]

It means that the menu pages are encoded in a wrong resolution, caused by settings in ffdshow (or other directshow decoder if you use one). ffdshow settings like [x] Subtitles, [x] Resize, pre/post processing filters may affect the encoding of these menu pages. Re-check the settings or re-install your ffdshow.

Hey Deank & all others,
I found the reason, why my submenus wer encoded in the wrong resolution: It was not because of wrong ffdshow setting, but because of the "wrong" avisynth version. I had installted v2.57 in Order to make BR-RB work properly. But multiAVCHD need v2.58. But I work with both tools. That means: Everytime I use one of these, I have to deinstall/install the correct avisynth version :mad:
Well, anyway, it's always good to know, why sth. didn't work out...

[deank]

multiAVCHD doesn't explicitly require 2.58. I intentionally didn't use any script commands/functions available only in 2.58, so 2.57 should work, too.

What you experience is probably a bug in 2.57 which affects the encoding. There are simple VIDEO+VIDEO operands which should result in a video clip twice longer in duration, not twice HIGHER in dimention. :)

But good to know. I don't think BD Rebuilder will have problems with 2.58.

[crl2007]

I can confirm that I've used BD-RB with AviSynth 2.58 and worked fine.

[Capsbackup]

I can confirm that I've used BD-RB with AviSynth 2.58 and worked fine.

Works fine for me too. :)
However, jdobbs has not given his support for it yet! :(

[Dolsen]

Hi, Dolsen,

that's exactly what's happening to me! I counted the time to enter in extended properties of the compilation and then in transcode and it was 30 secs each time.

What I can't seem to understand or get to see or know is the way to "tell" "mx264.exe" to use always ffdshow, as I don't see anything "asking" me what it should use.

Please, could you explain to me how to do it, because I experience the same with the mouse and the freezing of other functions on the PC during those darned 30 secs.

TIA
Wolfe

Edit: Of course I ticked "show spawned tools", but I see nothing.

Hi,

Glad to hear this was the reason, as it's easy to fix.

You can do it manually in ffdshow, go into "Start"-menu, inside "ffdshow" folder there is "Video decoder configuration" - run that config tool.

When it opens, go into "DirectShow control" in the list on left side, and click "Edit..." next to "Use ffdshow only in", and then "Add..." and select "mx264.exe" inside tools folder of MultiAVCHD.

That should do it...

Bye,
Dolsen

[Wolfe999]

Hi,

Glad to hear this was the reason, as it's easy to fix.

You can do it manually in ffdshow, go into "Start"-menu, inside "ffdshow" folder there is "Video decoder configuration" - run that config tool.

When it opens, go into "DirectShow control" in the list on left side, and click "Edit..." next to "Use ffdshow only in", and then "Add..." and select "mx264.exe" inside tools folder of MultiAVCHD.

That should do it...

Bye,
Dolsen

I followed your instructions, but everything it's the same, still those 30 secs of waiting. Having the same "symptoms" you had, thought it was the same, but it doesn't seem so. It's very frustrating.

I'll try uninstalling some programs to see if one of them affected multiAVCHD.

In any way, thank you very much for your advice, and if you happen to think of something else that may cause this "slowness" in some operations with MA, please don't hesitate telling me.

:thanks: Wolfe

[deank]

A quick update:

* Added [Load settings] and [Save settings] buttons in SETTINGS tab. You can save/backup your current multiAVCHD settings to different (than multiAVCHD.ini) file
* Changed mplayer playback/preview settings to keep current/desktop colorspace - faster start for preview in title properties and realtime-menu-preview for motion styles
* Changed realtime menu preview to 1280x720 (was 800x450)

Dean

[Dolsen]

I followed your instructions, but everything it's the same, still those 30 secs of waiting. Having the same "symptoms" you had, thought it was the same, but it doesn't seem so. It's very frustrating.

I'll try uninstalling some programs to see if one of them affected multiAVCHD.

In any way, thank you very much for your advice, and if you happen to think of something else that may cause this "slowness" in some operations with MA, please don't hesitate telling me.

:thanks: Wolfe

Hi again,

You could try and add "x264.exe" from tools folder inside MultiAVCHD to the list in ffdshow, as you did with "mx264.exe" and see if that helps. I have both added.

Beside that, I don't have any ideas - sorry...

I'm using ffdshow rev. 3054 downloaded from here:
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

Good luck tracking down the problem!

Added later: You could try loading the videofile in a tool that shows what directshow filters are used to decode, and verify that it's really ffdshow that does the job decoding the videofile. I use Graphstudio to check my directshow filter usage, http://blog.monogram.sk/janos/tools/monogram-graphstudio/
Just in case some others filters are doing the job instead of ffdshow in your setup...

Bye,
Dolsen

[Wolfe999]

Hi again,

You could try and add "x264.exe" from tools folder inside MultiAVCHD to the list in ffdshow, as you did with "mx264.exe" and see if that helps. I have both added.

Beside that, I don't have any ideas - sorry...

I'm using ffdshow rev. 3054 downloaded from here:
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

Good luck tracking down the problem!

Added later: You could try loading the videofile in a tool that shows what directshow filters are used to decode, and verify that it's really ffdshow that does the job decoding the videofile. I use Graphstudio to check my directshow filter usage, http://blog.monogram.sk/janos/tools/monogram-graphstudio/
Just in case some others filters are doing the job instead of ffdshow in your setup...

Bye,
Dolsen

Didn't answered before because I was doing an encode and couldn't try your recomendations.

Thank you, you found the solution! I was using ffdshow 3326 for BD-Rebuilder. I uninstalled it and installed 3054 and the problem vanished. I lost those lOOOOng 30 secs. (hope not to have problems now with BD_Rebuilder :lol: )

Thank you very much Dolsen for the time and interest taken and shown. Much appreciated :thanks:

@Deank Any idea what may cause that "incompatibility?

[deank]

You may try to install the other version that you have, but don't use all the defaults and set ffdshow to be used by all programs without any restrictions.

***

Quick update:

* I noticed yesterday a weird pulsing blur (picture degradation) with static menus. Latest update uses new settings to improve the static menu picture quality. It looks much much better now.

* IISVPL will contain only titles playlists (not the menu ones)

Dean

[colinhunt]

I uninstalled it and installed 3054 and the problem vanished. I lost those lOOOOng 30 secs. (hope not to have problems now with BD_Rebuilder :lol: )
3054 caused problems with BD-RB and VC-1 sources. I had to install 3326 to solve the problem.

[colinhunt]

I did a movie-only BD-RB encode of a non-English movie with forced English subtitles, and added DTS-HD MA audio in multiAVCHD. For some reason forced subs were turned off in multiAVCHD output. Could someone tell me what's the easiest way to force a subtitle track on in a remuxed Blu-ray? Is there some small application I could run that would do the change in the blink of an eye? (I can do this with Clown BD but it takes too long and requires plenty of free HDD space.)

[deank]

There is the option in multiAVCHD [x] Force display of 1st subtitle track. Did you have it turned on?

[colinhunt]

There is the option in multiAVCHD [x] Force display of 1st subtitle track. Did you have it turned on?
I'm not quite sure. Will multiAVCHD disable forced subtitles if that box is not ticked?

[deank]

The option makes multiAVCHD enable the display of a subtitle track, no matter if it is forced or not.

[colinhunt]

The option makes multiAVCHD enable the display of a subtitle track, no matter if it is forced or not.
Yeah, but if the source has a forced subtitle, will unticking the box disable forced subs?

[deank]

No, it won't. The forced flag is part of the PGS/SUP and multiAVCHD doesn't change that. We discussed that already.

[deank]

If you used multiAVCHD and forgot about the option, open the structure with BDEdit and set the correct command in object 256 as shown in the screen-shot:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_setstream.jpg

[colinhunt]

No, it won't. The forced flag is part of the PGS/SUP and multiAVCHD doesn't change that. We discussed that already.
Well, it seems to me that is exactly what happened. I played the BD-RB output on TMT and the subtitle track was enabled by default. Once I ran the data through multiAVCHD, the subtitle track was no longer enabled by default. Oh, hang on, are we talking about two different things here? I'm referring to selecting a subtitle track in BD-RB, clicking it with the right mouse button and selecting "set default on" (or whatever the text it).

[colinhunt]

If you used multiAVCHD and forgot about the option, open the structure with BDEdit and set the correct command in object 256 as shown in the screen-shot:
That's good to know, thanks!

[deank]

Right... what you're talking about is not forced subtitles. It is just 'subtitles default ON'. The command I mentioned above does that without remuxing.

FORCING subtitles requires processing of the PGS/SUP stream and setting certain flags in it - what BDSup2Sub does. But I don't think you need that.

///

Just to make it clear again. A lot of people don't really understand the difference between forced subtitles and switching subtitles on and off.

* normal subtitles: can be switched on and off using the remote control or the command we discussed above
* forced subtitles: cannot be switched on or off. Their appearance is defined by flags in the PG stream. Usually forced are always on.

An example: For a movie you can have 2 ENGLISH subtitle streams:

1) Normal subtitles: subtitle lines for all conversations during the video (english & non-english parts) - you can watch the movie with or without the subtitles - it is users' choice
2) Forced subtitles: subtitle lines only for certain conversations (usually non-english) - you can't switch these subtitles off. Hence the name "forced".

Dean

[laserfan]

An example: For a movie you can have 2 ENGLISH subtitle streams:

1) Normal subtitles: subtitle lines for all conversations during the video (english & non-english parts) - you can watch the movie with or without the subtitles - it is users' choice
2) Forced subtitles: subtitle lines only for certain conversations (usually non-english) - you can't switch these subtitles off. Hence the name "forced".Another example is that you can have ONE subtitle stream, which can be switched on/off at user's choice, but embedded within it are some FORCED subtitles that will appear regardless!

I'm making such a track right now using easySUP, and when that's made I use BDSup2Sub to set the "forced" flag (this track has only 7 such subtitles so it will be easy!). :)

[colinhunt]

Right... what you're talking about is not forced subtitles. It is just 'subtitles default ON'.
That explains it. Actually, in our country we used to have a problem with forced subtitles, back in the early days of DVD, so I do know the difference.

* normal subtitles: can be switched on and off using the remote control or the command we discussed above
* forced subtitles: cannot be switched on or off. Their appearance is defined by flags in the PG stream. Usually forced are always on.
A-yup. I was living under the misapprehension that doing the "set default on" in BD-RB was equivalent to creating forced subs. I would've realized the difference the moment I tried to switch those subs off, but I guess I never tried that! English subs with Japanese audio kinda makes one not to switch subs off :D

By the way, I have to tip my hat to Dean and everyone else creating these fantastic freeware apps. With them I've managed to transform a 40GB Japanese Blu-ray with 6 channel PCM audio and no subs into perfectly watchable BD25 with 6 channel DTS audio and English subs. Joy!

[satmanino]

A simple question that will surely be treated.

I would like to make an AVCHD from a movie whose size is about 14 GB. My intentions are to make two DVD+R DL so I set the "Volume split" to 7950 MB.

At the end of the process MultiAVCHD has created 2 folders: "AVCHD" and "AVCHD_VOLUME_SPLIT. Within the latter there are two other folders named "VOL_001" and "VOL_002".

I think that should just burn the two folders named "VOL_xxx". The folder AVCHD therefore not be considered?

Thanks for your help and my congratulations to Dean and his great software!!!

[deank]

Another example is that you can have ONE subtitle stream, which can be switched on/off at user's choice, but embedded within it are some FORCED subtitles that will appear regardless!

I was out when I came up with more examples, so I'll post in a minute.

A-yup. I was living under the misapprehension that doing the "set default on" in BD-RB was equivalent to creating forced subs.

Let me post in a minute more detailed explanation about forced subtitles scenarios.

A simple question that will surely be treated.

multiAVCHD has created 2 folders: "AVCHD" and "AVCHD_VOLUME_SPLIT. Within the latter there are two other folders named "VOL_001" and "VOL_002".

Each VOL_* folder contains BDMV folder. That's what you need to burn. :)

Dean

[deank]

An example: For a movie you can have 2 ENGLISH subtitle streams:

1) Normal subtitles: subtitle lines for all conversations during the video (english & non-english parts) - you can watch the movie with or without the subtitles - it is users' choice
2) Forced subtitles: subtitle lines only for certain conversations (usually non-english) - you can't switch these subtitles off. Hence the name "forced".

3) A subtitle stream which contains both 'normal' and forced subtitles.

Here is the interesting part (with point 3). The command in the example actually does three things:

0x51C00001 = SetStream
0x8001 = Activate 1st audio track listed in the next/current playlist
0xC001 = Activate and set to display-ON 1st subtitle track

The last operand could be 0x8001 which will SELECT the 1st subtitle track but will not make the player DISPLAY it.

It is a 2 bit setting operand. 1st bit for select, 2nd for display.

Now, if the subtitle track has forced subtitles, even if the track is not set to be displayed (but selected), the forced ones WILL be displayed.

That's the difference.

Usually BD titles are authored to follow this scenario:

1) Detect player preferences for menu, audio and subtitles - obtaining values from PSR registers
2) Displaying the desired menu in proper language (if available)
3) Setting desired audio and subtitle tracks (if available in the preferred language)

Dean

[colinhunt]

Excellent info, Dean. Thanks!

[Wolfe999]

3054 caused problems with BD-RB and VC-1 sources. I had to install 3326 to solve the problem.

Thank you, colinhunt for this info.


You may try to install the other version that you have, but don't use all the defaults and set ffdshow to be used by all programs without any restrictions.

No such luck. But taking in consideration colinhunt comment, I went back to v3133 and everything went smooth with multiAVCHD. So there must be something with FFDSHOW 3326 and multiAVCHD.

Just one question: Would there be any incompatibility if I install multiAVCHD and FFDSHOW 3054 in, say, HDD C: and BD-Rebuilder and FFDSHOW v3326 in HDD D:, so to speak?

Thank you :)

[hgvm]

Hi Deank
First of all thanks for such a great program.
I don't know if you can help, I have a blu ray movie tha has 38 Gb, but when I load it with multiAVCHD it says the size is 84GB, then I open the first file in the Compilation list for the properties, and I get 3 playlists that refer to the main movie instead of one like in other movies.
I then remove extras and the unwanted audios form one of the 3 playlists, close properties and press start, the result is a file that has 55Gb.
Please help me I don't know what to do.
Thanks

[Limobar]

I made a Blu-Ray with 6 titles. 1 title for the movie and 5 titles for the bonus material. I imported 6 different title pictures for the menu. All these pictures are 1920x1080. During the process of Blu-Ray generating I get no errors, but with title 6 something odd happens. The m2ts that gets generated for it doesn't have a 1920x1080 resolution, like the original picture, but has a 1920x2160 resolution. As a consequence of this, the menu shows artifacts.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe it's a bug. I enclosed the logfile, the title 6 picture and the m2ts file.

link to files (https://www.yousendit.com/download/dXFWeFVkWkJ3NUt4dnc9PQ)

Thank you in advance for your help.

[flaviometal]

* I noticed yesterday a weird pulsing blur (picture degradation) with static menus. Latest update uses new settings to improve the static menu picture quality. It looks much much better now.

Man, I was going to make a post for this, but it's not necessary anymore! Thanks!

Just one question, Dean... it's possible to make the static chapters thumb menu turns into a motion thumbs menu? 10 or 20 secs for each one are enough. ;)

Thanks!

[deank]

Man, I was going to make a post for this, but it's not necessary anymore! Thanks!

Just one question, Dean... it's possible to make the static chapters thumb menu turns into a motion thumbs menu? 10 or 20 secs for each one are enough. ;)

Thanks!

Tried to add this after your post. It is ready and really looks nice :)

[flaviometal]

Thanks Dean!

(I can't find the option yet , so I'm just waiting for the update ;) )

[deank]

You can update now to build 753. The option is in MENU/Advanced: [x] Create motion chapters.

Have in mind that it requires heavy processing (more than the motion menu) and takes some time and space.

...but looks great.

Video chapter-thumbnails are 32 seconds in duration with no loop. That's it for now.

[flaviometal]

Thanks, Dean! Now, my menus are more happy now! ;)


http://i.imagehost.org/0612/faces.jpg (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0612/faces)

[deank]

You're a funny guy, aren't you! :p

I'm glad you like your idea implemented. :)

[colinhunt]

...but looks great.
Oooh, I have to try that out.... once the weather's cooled down a bit so I can use the encoding rig without it melting down.

[deank]

There is not a single Blu-ray title (that I know of) that supports motion/video "SCENES" menu, which makes the feature unique (again) to multiAVCHD. :)

[colinhunt]

There is not a single Blu-ray title (that I know of) that supports motion/video "SCENES" menu, which makes the feature unique (again) to multiAVCHD. :)
I've seen several that have motion/video scenes menu in the pop-up menu.

[deank]

Sho-sho! :) Don't spoil the day :p

I wish I could create the fancy IGs... Much more clean and faster than encoding the whole 1920x1080 video plane.

[flaviometal]

Dean, I've got an error with chapters motion menu. MAVCHD starts to encoding thumbs, but don't finalize chapters menu. The little "Haali splitter" logo appears 12 times at once (near system clock), the same number of chapters of my compilation, and gives me an "x264.exe" error. I'm trying with an episode from a TV serie, in PS3 mode. The final compilation works ok, the problem it's just with motion chapters menu. Here's the log:

[14:03:52] Using 12 thumbnail/chapter links for title #1...
[14:03:52] *** Extracting 12 chapter thumbnails...
[14:03:57] Image processing for XMB menu completed!

[14:03:57] Preparing menu pages...

[14:03:57] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/1] [Motion title thumbnail].
[14:03:58] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[14:06:22] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/1]: Chapter page [1/1].
[14:06:52] Failure to mux menu and to create playlist [00601.mpls]
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #1 -> Chapter #1
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #2 -> Chapter #2
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #3 -> Chapter #3
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #4 -> Chapter #4
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #5 -> Chapter #5
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #6 -> Chapter #6
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #7 -> Chapter #7
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #8 -> Chapter #8
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #9 -> Chapter #9
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #10 -> Chapter #10
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #11 -> Chapter #11
[14:06:52] *** User defined thumblink #12 -> Chapter #12
[14:06:52] Error encoding chapter menu page #1 for title #1!
[14:06:52] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/1]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).
[14:06:55] Menu authoring completed.
[14:06:56] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[14:06:56] Playback will end after title #1.
[14:06:56] Setting menu properties...
[14:06:56] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[14:06:56] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[14:06:56] Completed.
[14:07:01] Preparing AVCHDTN database...
[14:07:03] Database and index created!
[14:07:03] Setting FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[14:07:03] Done!

[14:07:03] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[14:07:03] E:\AVCHD\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

[deank]

Well I did 5 tests with 1 to 36 motion chapters and it works. If you can't get the motion menu working before - you won't be able to use motion chapters, too. It depends on your PC to be able to directshow-stream 12/14 video streams at one time.

[flaviometal]

Well I did 5 tests with 1 to 36 motion chapters and it works. If you can't get the motion menu working before - you won't be able to use motion chapters, too. It depends on your PC to be able to directshow-stream 12/14 video streams at one time.

I've just tried with another movie, and still doesn't work. It's weird, cause motion menus used to work here before. My machine always has encoded the files perfectly, with all MAVCHD options and combinations. It's a Dual Core with 4GB RAM, and Seven X64.

I'll do some more tests and let you know.


EDIT: I can confirm: just "unticking" the "create motion chapters" option made motion menu works normally. So, the problem is just when I use chapter motion. Must be a problem with Haali or FFDshow config, I don't know...

[svgame]

Deank! gobd.exe don't work with is BD DISC.can you fix it?

[Limobar]

I made a Blu-Ray with 6 titles. 1 title for the movie and 5 titles for the bonus material. I imported 6 different title pictures for the menu. All these pictures are 1920x1080. During the process of Blu-Ray generating I get no errors, but with title 6 something odd happens. The m2ts that gets generated for it doesn't have a 1920x1080 resolution, like the original picture, but has a 1920x2160 resolution. As a consequence of this, the menu shows artifacts.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe it's a bug. I enclosed the logfile, the title 6 picture and the m2ts file.

link to files (https://www.yousendit.com/download/dXFWeFVkWkJ3NUt4dnc9PQ)

Thank you in advance for your help.

With a new project that consists of 12 titles, 6 of them have the odd and artifact giving 1920x2160 resolution.

Some help would be appreciated, because I can't finish my projects :)

[flaviometal]

Dean, after some tests, that's what I've found: when I use 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 auto chapters (thumbs) for chapters menu, it works fine. But above that, it gives me the error. I've tried with 10, 11, 12 and 36 chapters, but without sucess. Any ideas?

Anyway, I'll wait other users make some tests to see if the problem is just with me...

[deank]

With a new project that consists of 12 titles, 6 of them have the odd and artifact giving 1920x2160 resolution.

Some help would be appreciated, because I can't finish my projects :)

Just few posts back another user shared his experience about that. Using avisynth 2.58 seems to correct the problem.

[ricoman]

Excuse me if this topic has been discussed before, I did a search and nothing came up. I have used multiAVCHD with very good success converting bluray to standard DVD so that the kids can play their movies on their portable players. However, I'm having no success converting my camera and camcorder AVCHD recordings to DVD to send to family members. The video comes out too fast, maybe 2x speed but the audio is fine, normal speed. Naturally the video looks like the Keystone Cops and is not in sync with the audio. I have had success with FormatFactory, but prefer you software, the video seems better quality (at least on the movie DVDs). How do I fix the speed video down to normal and so it syncs with the audio. Thank you. Except for the camcorder problem, I love your software and have donated.

[deank]

Load the video from your camcoder and click [properties]. Then click [alter detected properties] button and examine the values for framerate. If fps is detected as 60, try to change it to 30.000 (or 29.970). Try it and let me know if it works.

[Limobar]

With a new project that consists of 12 titles, 6 of them have the odd and artifact giving 1920x2160 resolution.

Some help would be appreciated, because I can't finish my projects :)

Just few posts back another user shared his experience about that. Using avisynth 2.58 seems to correct the problem.

I can confirm that using Avisynth 2.58 fixes the title picture resolution problems :thanks:

[deank]

Nice :)

***

The latest update (available via multiUPDATE.exe) provides x264 changes in INSANE transcoding profile, delivering really fast encoding + nice/reasonable quality (especially useful for Panasonic Viera TV AVCHD users when hard-burning subtitles). Proper usage would be with resolutions up to 720p. ETA is about 0.5-0.7 x (video duration).

Dean

[AJ500]

You can update now to build 753. The option is in MENU/Advanced: [x] Create motion chapters.
...


Nice addition! :)

[ricoman]

Load the video from your camcoder and click [properties]. Then click [alter detected properties] button and examine the values for framerate. If fps is detected as 60, try to change it to 30.000 (or 29.970). Try it and let me know if it works.

Boy that was simple, just had to know where to look. Thank you, it worked fine.

[deank]

I can confirm that using Avisynth 2.58 fixes the title picture resolution problems :thanks:

I added some tweaks in today's update, so probably it will work with 2.57, too.

///

Also ~22MB will be taken into account per title when calculating the output estimation if authoring with menu.

[roblonuk]

Hi Dean,

Me again, sorry but since the last build I am getting an error which is very similar to that previously posted (i.e. fixed in an earlier build)

The error is in a pop up window and says:
-----
DEBUG: play 'Z:\00_TempStore\multiTEMP-20100520\20100520-092444-MM001.avs'
[and report to the author]

{YES} {NO}
-----

If I click on yes the menu page is displayed as I would have expected from my options (which have not been changed from the last builds and is set for static menus as I have Panasonic BD 60 and always use Strict mode)

After the menu screen display it closes and the program continues but does give the warning that

-----
Error encoding main menu page#1!
Final output may be corrupted!
Trying to use TITLE LIST menu as main menu

From this poin there are no more errors.

The file contents is as follows:

>>>>>
loadplugin("C:\Users\admin\Desktop\multiAVCHD\tools\SubtitleEx.dll")
imgpath="Z:\00_TempStore\multiTEMP-20100520\"
imgbg="C:\Users\admin\Desktop\multiAVCHD\xmb-blue.jpg"
smartmessage=""
titlefont="Verdana"
chapterfont="Lucida Console"
titlecolor=$00C0C0C0
titleoutline=$00000000
basefontsize=30
thopacity=0.1
usegray=0
lf=14
videosystem="PAL"
ctn=1
ltn=1
tm3= "0-2"
tm2= "0-1"
tm1= "000"
tm0= "001"
tp1= "002"
tp2= "003"
tp3= "004"
xr=340
yr=190
xr1=254
yr1=142
xr2=190
yr2=106
xr3=142
yr3=78
a14=imagesource(imgpath+"t"+tm0+".jpg",1, use_DevIL=true).ConvertToRGB24.LanczosResize( xr, yr).AddBorders(2, 2, 2, 2, $575757)
a14x = imagesource(imgpath+"t"+tm0+".jpg",1, use_DevIL=true).ConvertToRGB24.LanczosResize( 1920,1080)
a14x = (usegray==0) ? blur(a14x,1.58) : blur(tweak(ConvertToYUY2(a14x), sat=0),1.58).ConvertToRGB24
a=ImageSource(imgbg, end = lf, use_DevIL=true).ConvertToRGB24.LanczosResize(1920, 1080)
a=Overlay(a, a14x, 0, 0, opacity=thopacity, pc_range=true)
x=a
x = ConvertToRGB24(x)
x = Overlay(x, a14, 616,400, pc_range=true)
last=x
SubtitleEx(smartmessage, effects="ci", font="Comic Sans MS", size=45, textcolor=titlecolor, halocolor=titleoutline)
Subtitle("Shutter Island\nVideo: 1920x1080, 24fps (AVC) \nAudio: English (AC3 6ch) \nSubtitles: 2 tracks (English, English) \nDuration: 2h 18m 04s ", x=976, y=450, font=titlefont, size=basefontsize, text_color=titlecolor, halo_color=titleoutline, lsp=0, align=1)
SubtitleEx("Shutter Island", x=100, y=100, font="Lucida Handwriting Italic", size=53, textcolor=$C0C0C0, halocolor=$000000)
Subtitle("", x=960, y=1050, font="Bradley Hand ITC", size=25, text_color=$2D2D2D, lsp=10, align=2, halo_color=$000000)
Subtitle("Play", x=266, y=440, font=titlefont, size=basefontsize, text_color=titlecolor, halo_color=titleoutline, lsp=0, align=1)
Subtitle("Chapters", x=411, y=440, font=titlefont, size=basefontsize, text_color=titlecolor, halo_color=titleoutline, lsp=0, align=1)
Subtitle(" v4.1.753", font="Bradley Hand ITC", size=24, text_color=$2D2D2D, lsp=10, align=1, halo_color=$000000)
Subtitle("20/05/2010 (09:25:34)", font="Bradley Hand ITC", size=24, text_color=$2D2D2D, lsp=10, align=3, halo_color=$000000)
x=last
x=x.ConvertToYV12.ConvertFPS(25)
return x

<<<<<

As always your help would be most welcome in sorting this out.

Thanks :)

[deank]

There is nothing wrong with the avs and since it just happened to you it has nothing to do with the latest builds.

You probably installed/uninstalled a codec/program which affects encoding. Make sure to re-install avisynth 2.58 and ffdshow.

Also try to preview the menu beforehand...

[deank]

A quick change/update about chapters and especially the playlsit (mpls) files:

Sometimes during video speedup/slowdown or when using --cut-start in tsMuxeR's meta, the first entry-mark (chapter) is not set to the proper IN_TIME of the playlist.

Such difference causes a big problem with SDHC AVCHD output - players simply state "No valid file" and reject the SDHC card.

It is fixed now and multiAVCHD will set the first chapter/entry to match the playlist IN_TIME.

Also, easySUP (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=149160) is updated to version 0.5 with a bugfix, related to user selection of the frame-rate.

Dean

[roblonuk]

Hi Dean,

"You probably installed/uninstalled a codec/program which affects encoding."

Not to my knowledge. I specifically run your app in a dedicated Windows 7 VM created solely for the purpose of encoding.

Other than Microsoft system updates the only changes to this environment are your application updates and the manually downloaded/installed DAT file when prompted following an update a few revisions ago.

"Make sure to re-install avisynth 2.58 and ffdshow."

I downloaded and reinstalled the versions from your downloads area and still get the same error.

"Also try to preview the menu beforehand..."

This works as expected, no errors reported if a preview any of the Main, Chapter or Setup menus before encoding.

Rob

[rendez2k]

Quick question: I'm converting a 720p MKV to SD DVD. My understanding is that I add the MKV, then hit start and select select SD-DVD? The resulting images looks stretched on my TV and no-longer has black bars. Do I need to do anything else? Also, is HC-Enc 2 pass the best quality option?

[deank]

Go to the [transcode] window and set the proper resize/crop/zoom if you think multiAVCHD auto-selected the wrong resolution.

Yes HCenc 2pass is the best option.

[rendez2k]

Its hard to tell quiet what it should be? If I select a resize option of 720x576 its stretched. So do I just select a 720x? resolution by eye?

[deank]

1) Select the TV system in AUTHOR tab
2) Open [transcode]
3) Select the proper framerate (23.976 or 25.000)
3) Depending on the 720p actual resolution you'll need to find the proper resize option if you think the one auto-selected is not correct.

For movie (1:2.3*) ARs there are two specific 720x*** resize options at the bottom.

It you were to have 1280x720 then that wouldn't be much of a quiz because 720x480 or 720x576 will keep the AR, but because you already asked I believe that's not the case so I can't help you further.

[rendez2k]

Thanks dean - got it to work. The output looked a little blurry though? PAL output selected.

[colinhunt]

There's something rather peculiar and disturbing going on with the latest build. I tried adding English subs to a Korean Blu-ray which had already been ran through BD-RE. During the process this happens:

[02:25:52] Converting TEXT subtitles to PGS/SUP...
[02:25:52] [movie 24fps.srt]
[02:25:53] Processing may take some time, so be patient!
[02:25:53] Advanced subtitle processing (step 1)...
[02:25:53] Fast mode enabled (1696x200 @ 24.000 fps with 112px margins)...
[02:25:53] Advanced processing failed!
[02:25:53] Subtitle pre/post processing did not succeed!
[02:25:53] Falling back to standard processing...
[02:25:53] Adding subtitles (movie 24fps.srt) (eng)
[02:25:53] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

Since video did not need transcoding, the entire process was done in 6 minutes.

However, when I play the output on TMT the movie has no English subtitles. What's more, the source .srt is now empty and has a size of 0KB! When this happened the first time I though I messed something up when exporting subs from SubtitleEdit, so before another attempt I double-checked that the file contained English subs, and it was fine.

Update: It's the "Parse and fix SRT/SSA subtitle files" option which results in a 0KB .srt file. I had unticked "Enable advanced prosessing" and "Post-process SRT/SSA subtitles" but left "Parse and fix SRT/SSA subtitle files" enabled, and got an empty .srt file as a result.

[colinhunt]

Something else I discovered very late last night. The subtitle problem I mentioned above goes away when I untick the "Advanced subtitle processing" box and/or "Parse and fix" box. However, while subtitle sync is fine at the beginning of the movie, subs are 3-4 seconds late at the end of the movie. Here's the process I used:

1) Found 25fps English subs on the net
2) Opened the .srt in SubtitleEdit
3) Changed framerate from 25 to 24 (since the Blu-ray has a framerate of 24.00fps)
4) Created a 640x360/24fps .mp4 with BD-RB from the BD-RB-created movie-only backup
5) Opened the mp4 in MPC-HC and loaded the 24fps .srt manually
6) Checked subtitle sync; it was perfect

But when the .srt is processed through multiAVCHD, sync is off by 3-4 seconds at the end of the movie. Any ideas what could be causing this? Suggestion: while the movie is 24.00fps, something in multiAVCHD processes subs at 23.976fps.

update: Original BD, BD-RB movie-only backup and the .mp4 all have different running times. Doesn't explain the sub delay of 3-4 seconds, though.

Original BD - 106:52.50
BD-RB - 106:51.412
mp4 - 106:51.375

More info: I dropped the .m2ts from BD-RB movie-only backup into tsmuxer, added in the English .srt and remuxed to Blu-ray. Subtitle sync is perfect from the start to the end.

[crl2007]

I always use easySUP ( also made by deank ) and feed the *.sup to multiavchd or tsmuxer. This will solve your problems. It is possible that the subtitle to contain some time interval that multiavchd does not like ( happened to me too ).

[colinhunt]

I always use easySUP ( also made by deank ) and feed the *.sup to multiavchd or tsmuxer. This will solve your problems. It is possible that the subtitle to contain some time interval that multiavchd does not like ( happened to me too ).
Thanks, I'll try that after I've tried one more run with multiAVCHD without any subtitle postprocessing. I have a feeling they might be the culprit here.

update: Yup. Disabling all subtitle postprocessing got rid of the 3-4 second delay. Unfortunately this also resulted in some subtitles not being displayed, very likely because their display duration was too short. edit: Nope, it was caused by SubtitleEdit giving some subtitles the exact same ending time as the starting time of the next subtitle.

Heh, after about 30 attempts with multiAVCHD and tsmuxer I finally have a Blu-ray output with properly synced subs. Only one tiny issue remains: for some reason the last subtitle is not displayed, even though there's nothing wrong with the file or subtitle timings.

[EiGuscheMa]

Hi dean!

I had the same problem with build 753 as roblonuk ( error in SLI static menu creation)

I reverted to build 751 and the problem was gone. :)

Is there anything I can do to figure out what went wrong with 753?

[jangai]

There is nothing wrong with the avs and since it just happened to you it has nothing to do with the latest builds.

You probably installed/uninstalled a codec/program which affects encoding. Make sure to re-install avisynth 2.58 and ffdshow.

Also try to preview the menu beforehand...
Hi Deank !
First of all : many thanks for such a great software !

Alas, I can agree with previous statement:
I have exactly the same defect that roblonuk and the transition from 2.7 to 2.8 AVISynth solved nothing! (I was back in 2.7 to meet the demands of BD-RB)
Curiously: downgrade from 4.1 to 4.0 removes AVISynth/multiAVCHD errors during menus creations...
I swear I have changed no codecs or ffdshow settings for a long time !

If I understand correctly, version 4.1 works with greater menu resolution than in 4.0 ? Is that possible that AVISynth falls into error because of this ? :eek:

This is beyond my skills ... :(

Thank you in advance for your help!

[deank]

Guys, I really don't know how to respond to that.

Just to be sure I just created 4 compilations (no menu, XMB, SLI, Carousel) + title-list menu... All came up fine with no errors.

I test each build (usually with XMB) but I can't see a reason for the problems you get.

I didn't install/uninstall any programs/codecs/filters anything since October 2008 and I'm using the exactly same configuration since the first build of multiAVCHD.

All tests are done with Vista Ultimate 32bit, 2GB RAM, DELL Inspiron 1720 laptop, Sun Java, Avisynth 2.58, ffdshow 2661 and halli 11/01/2009.

Dean

[insaneoctane]

I just installed windows 7 (64-bit ultimate) and thought I'd ONLY install what was necessary for MultiAVCHD (because previously on XP I had LOTS of problems with CODECs and stuff erroring). So, I've only installed FFDShow, Hali, AVISynth. Then I added DirectX runtimes because I got some grief from Media Player Home Cinema Edition. I have the very latest version of MultiAVCHD full download. Well, I still can't render previews in multiAVCHD of VC-1. I tried the Windows 7 tweaker stuff, but that doesn't help. I also can't create a compilation, it always errors on x264 with or without the 64-bit option checked.

I have a virgin install of Windows 7 here...this should be easy. I'll remove the FOUR things I've installed and start over if necessary, I just want this to work...and ALL my emphasis is on MultiAVCHD to work, nothing else right now. Help, please?

[snakeman]

I had a similar issue with VC-1 files, please take a look at this post, hmmm sorry this link. I had to downgrade my mkvsplitter. Did you already try this?

http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE REQUIRED:

STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE by Adub: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/setup-proper-playback-chain-windows


Read carefully his findings about issues with VC-1 tsmuxer and the splitter.


This is a Quote

"Haali’s Media Splitter: Download"

"Note: As described in this Doom9 thread, the latest version of Haali’s Media Splitter have a bug where VC-1 encoded video in a m2ts container (often seen on Blu-rays) is not properly split. I recommend using the 1.9.42.1 build until these issues can be resolved. There is a beta build that theoretically has most of these issue resolved, but remember it’s beta so if you encounter any problems, use the stable 1.9.42.1 build mirrored by Jdobbs (the author of BD Rebuilder)."


Now this doesn't solve all the problems, but it did resolve my issue with VC-1 encodes


Cheers


snakeman

[crl2007]

I can confirm that the latest version of haali is OK for VC-1.

http://i47.tinypic.com/29w1hr8.jpg

[kempodragon]

I recently downloaded your program so I could transcode my HDC-TM700P files from 1080/60p to SD/DVD. While I have no trouble figuring out the program, even without the tutorial, I do have one question regarding the framerate change. What framerate should I set for HCEnc? All my previous DVD authoring has been with 3:2 pulldown, never with such a high framerate source. The default is 23.976, but I don't know if that will be enough to deal with such high motion. The files are of a baseball game, and you can clearly see the ball in each frame with no blurring. I want to preserve as much detail as possible while keeping the fast motion of the game.

[snakeman]

I can confirm that the latest version of haali is OK for VC-1.

http://i47.tinypic.com/29w1hr8.jpg

Strange I had to change it or no transcode or avchd creation. Are you using Windows 7 32bit?


snakeman

[crl2007]

Windows 7 x64.

[deank]

I recently downloaded your program so I could transcode my HDC-TM700P files from 1080/60p to SD/DVD. While I have no trouble figuring out the program, even without the tutorial, I do have one question regarding the framerate change. What framerate should I set for HCEnc? All my previous DVD authoring has been with 3:2 pulldown, never with such a high framerate source. The default is 23.976, but I don't know if that will be enough to deal with such high motion. The files are of a baseball game, and you can clearly see the ball in each frame with no blurring. I want to preserve as much detail as possible while keeping the fast motion of the game.

You really don't have much of a choice and you can't get the same clarity after the conversion. The only option is 23.976 (pull-down will be applied afterwards). Try it and see the result for yourself.

[jangai]

Hi all,
Hoping this has not been debated further :
I don't understand why, with some originals VIDEO_TS folders (input), all subtitles are correctly converted with friend app BDSup2Sub and with others, errors are reported suggesting I could have a 'Java problem' ?
http://i61.servimg.com/u/f61/11/71/09/36/err_bd10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=102&u=11710936)

I have regularly upgraded my Java releases under my WinXP machine...

Can we get somewhere reporting error from BDSup2sub?
Is this a workaround exists for this ?

Many thnks for your help :)

[insaneoctane]

Windows 7 x64.
I know this whole "it doesn't work on my system" us looked at as a bother, but I suspect there are many many people wanting to use multiavchd and can't. Based off my virgin install of win7 and my inability to use multiavchd, I don't think its a science. I am willing to scientifically make and document all changes necessary to make multiavchd work, but I need your guys expertise. It seems it ought to be simple, but it hasn't been. This information should help everyone.

[mpucoder]

I have Win7 x64, and it is very unfriendly to old programs. The first thing I would do on Win7 x64 is set every executable to run in XP compatable mode with "desktop composition" disabled. Right click on an executable, click "properties", click the "compatability" tab, then check "run this program in compatability mode for:" and select Windows XP service pack. Also check "disable desktop composition", this will disable AERO while the program runs, which can screw up graphics, even internally rendered ones. Also avoid using network drives for executables, this will give you an exception '0xc000000f'

[deank]

Now, just because of the numerous Win7 reports - few months ago I installed Win7 64bit.

Clean "admin" install, then I installed:

1) MPC (which comes in an old package back from 2005, which I install on all my PCs): realalt137-RMVB-FILTER.exe
2) avisynth
3) Haali (with proper settings)
4) ffdshow (with proper settings)
5) Latest SUN Java
***
6) "Installed" multiAVCHD and transcoded a title with [x] Advanced subtitles

All worked fine... just fine. No menu errors, no subtitle errors.

And I'm keeping my test/run environment (Vista Ultimate 32bit) unchanged since (multiAVCHD) day 1 and when I publish a build it works on my UNCHANGED system.

I'm just a regular every-day user of multiAVCHD just like you. If it didn't work I would've fixed it.

Dean

p.s. Once I can put some money aside I'll try to re-install my test/run PC, because I need a new TB HDD. Until then I can't do anything. I have 3 test PCs (128MB XP, 2GB XP, 3GB Win7) - multiAVCHD works just fine in all the cases.

[kempodragon]

Thanks Deank, I thought that might be the case. I'll make a test clip this weekend and see how it comes out. I've followed this program from the beginning because it looked like the best way to get into bluray authoring when I finally took the plunge. Currently, only my computer can handle HD playback, the DVD's I'm making are for my father since his TV is only analogue, no HDMI input. About the only thing left to add to program is 3D support, both in the authoring side and the new 3D camcorder Panasonic is coming out with, only $21k :D

[insaneoctane]

Now, just because of the numerous Win7 reports - few months ago I installed Win7 64bit.

Clean "admin" install, then I installed:

1) MPC (which comes in an old package back from 2005, which I install on all my PCs): realalt137-RMVB-FILTER.exe
2) avisynth
3) Haali (with proper settings)
4) ffdshow (with proper settings)
5) Latest SUN Java
***
6) "Installed" multiAVCHD and transcoded a title with [x] Advanced subtitles

All worked fine... just fine. No menu errors, no subtitle errors.
.

Dean (and all),
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my message.
What you describe is what I would hope for. Now, my job is to figure out where I screwed up and hopefully pass that info on to the forum here for others to learn from. The only differences I see are that you


installed SUN Java ( I haven't)
installed ffdshow and Haali with "proper settings"
installed MPC, where I installed MPC-HC edition


Now, I have installed my ATI video card catalyst drivers, I don't know if they would effect anything?

Did you need to use the "compatibility modes" that others have suggested?

I know that I have to right click on multiAVCHD and run as administrator each time I launch, or the update doesn't work right....

Can you please elaborate on the ffdshow/Haali "proper settings" (I apologize to probably make you repeat, but for thoroughness could you?)

[BZeeme]

Now, just because of the numerous Win7 reports - few months ago I installed Win7 64bit.

Clean "admin" install, then I installed:

1) MPC (which comes in an old package back from 2005, which I install on all my PCs): realalt137-RMVB-FILTER.exe
2) avisynth
3) Haali (with proper settings)
4) ffdshow (with proper settings)
5) Latest SUN Java
***
6) "Installed" multiAVCHD and transcoded a title with [x] Advanced subtitles

All worked fine... just fine. No menu errors, no subtitle errors.



deank - Are you saying multiAVCHD processed motion chapter thumbnails on your Win7 system with no errors? If so, I need to do more troubleshooting of my system.

Edit: I missed your point 6 so I guess you're are not referring to motion chapter thumbnails.

[Emulgator]

I have Win7 x64, and it is very unfriendly to old programs. The first thing I would do on Win7 x64 is set every executable to run in XP compatable mode with "desktop composition" disabled....
Thanks mpucoder !
One of my rendering-only machines is indeed Win7U64
and I had to hack my way down to get something of the older goodies to work.
This will help me further I hope...
OT: If someone is searching to reduce Win7 line spacing
in Explorer viewing modes "List" and "Detail" to the tighter XP spacing:
It really takes hacking Explorerframe.dll manually, and I could help here as well../OT

[redfox]

Lately I've been experiencing a problem with the automatic chapter creation feature, which used to work flawlessly.

Under the "Author" settings, "set 12 equal chapter jumps" is checked, but my movies end up without any chapters. When I open up Properties, there is only one entry under "Chapters": 99:99:99.

I've tried forcing automatic chapters by clicking on the "Chapters" tab in the middle of the screen, and then clicking on "auto". This results in the following:

http://www.antonvorster.co.za/avchd_chapters.jpg

Notice the strange time formats. When I click OK, multiAVCHD shuts down.

The only way I can now add chapters, is by doing it manually.

I would really appreciate any help - I don't know where to even begin looking.

[deank]

Click the button [alter detected properties] and enter the exact video duration in seconds.milliseconds.

It is not possible to determine the duration of the video you imported for some reason (like when you import raw AVC .264 video).

Then you can use the [auto] button for chapters.

[redfox]

Thanks!

Click the button [alter detected properties] and enter the exact video duration in seconds.milliseconds.

It is not possible to determine the duration of the video you imported for some reason (like when you import raw AVC .264 video).

Then you can use the [auto] button for chapters.

[drpaulng]

I'd like to use "smartline" for keying in the movie-name for a single-title movie with motion background...but smartline is somewhat limited. Can we have a special title-name entry that can control over font/color/size/position etc so that we can make the motion menu much better?:thanks:

It would be even better if we can use graphic (eg png format) to "paste" over the motion background. Thanks.

[crl2007]

You can edit your videos before importing them for motion background. What are you looking to do is done in a few easy steps with Adobe After Effects or Sony Vegas.

[flaviometal]

Dean, just one question...

I'm trying to use an AVCHD folder (copied from DVD-9 that I've burned some days ago) as source. I've copied the AVCHD folder to my HD, and imported in MAVCHD. I just want to add one audio track more (AC3), and compile again, adding a setup menu too. So:

1. Is it possible to use the same menus from this project, or must I create menus all over again?

2. I wanna know if video must be transcoded again, or MAVCHD will transcode only the new added audio. Wich option I must to use: full or fast mode?

[AJ500]

Some time ago I created a blu-ray structure from 20 m2ts files that were edited versions of m2ts files from a Sony camcorder.

Now, I want to add the 21st edited m2ts file. Can I use the blu-ray structure as a starting point? Or, do I have to start from the m2ts files.

[deank]

Dean, just one question...

I'm trying to use an AVCHD folder (copied from DVD-9 that I've burned some days ago) as source. I've copied the AVCHD folder to my HD, and imported in MAVCHD. I just want to add one audio track more (AC3), and compile again, adding a setup menu too. So:

1. Is it possible to use the same menus from this project, or must I create menus all over again?

2. I wanna know if video must be transcoded again, or MAVCHD will transcode only the new added audio. Wich option I must to use: full or fast mode?

1. multiAVCHD will import the menu settings that you used and will create the same menu.

2. Video will not be reencoded. You have to change the mode to [full-mode], otherwise you have no access to add/remove audio tracks/subtitles.

Some time ago I created a blu-ray structure from 20 m2ts files that were edited versions of m2ts files from a Sony camcorder.

Now, I want to add the 21st edited m2ts file. Can I use the blu-ray structure as a starting point? Or, do I have to start from the m2ts files.

Just import the structure and then add the 21st m2ts. The old structure will be used and its contents will be simply moved to the new location and then the new file will be added, too.

[drpaulng]

You can edit your videos before importing them for motion background. What are you looking to do is done in a few easy steps with Adobe After Effects or Sony Vegas.

Yes, this is the right way to get what is supposed to be done. But it would be much convenient if Deank can help us all with his smartline fine-tuned into "movie name editor".

[deank]

Build 754:

* Finally a preview for both title-list menu styles is available.
* For [classic title list menu] the font size from MENU tab will be used for title names.

Title list menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_titlelist_preview_1.jpg

"Classic" LIST title-list menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_titlelist_preview_2.jpg

Dean

[VincAlastor]

thank you deank, sometimes i use the classic title list, it looks great!

[laserfan]

Build 754:

* Finally a preview for both title-list menu styles is available.
* For [classic title list menu] the font size from MENU tab will be used for title names.I've been wondering if I'm the only person on Planet Earth that doesn't care about fancy menus! I will give this a try and hopefully I can replace Ulead MF6+ (eventually). There's still no "audio for menu" option though?

[deank]

I think *user audio* works for title-list menu, doesn't it?

[mic]

Please forgive if I've overlooked something obvious, is there a way to import images for the chapter thumbnails?

I know it works if you create the disc layout on hdd, replace the images in the HDAVCTN folder (using the same file names), then load the multiAVCHD.mpf that multiAVCHD created. Previews still show the old chapter menus, but after changing the thumbnail border color [not sure if that's needed to trigger the menu re-render], creating the disc layout a 2nd time uses those new thumbnails.

The reason for changing thumbnails is that the start of a chapter can be black, or it can be the beginning of a pan shot etc, & often a snapshot at that time doesn't give a good hint of what scene a chapter button will take you to.

Thanks

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BTW, multiAVCHD works great with mpg2 out of Vegas (in Vegas I modify one of the existing BD templates) -- unless I missed something the multiAVCHD site only mentions AVC from Vegas has been reported to work. It also appears to work with AVC encoded using the ATI stream encoder in Roxio VideoWave -- I can't recommend it because I've had all sorts of problems with VideoWave encoding, but if someone has it working, my limited testing showed it seems to work with multiAVCHD just fine. I *think* it might use the x264 encoder, but the BD template is *off* enough that tsMuxer won't take the AVC, where multiAVCHD fixes the video so it works. *Should* be able to correct that with a new template in VideoWave, but I've never gotten a new AVCHD template working. It's a shame because their stream encoder seemed promising.

[deank]

You didn't overlook anything... I just need to figure a way to allow user to use external chapter images.

I believe I can implement something like the HDAVCTN folder but for files...

For example if you have:

X:\test\video.m2ts
x:\test\HDAVCTN_video.m2ts\ch01.jpg
...
x:\test\HDAVCTN_video.m2ts\ch96.jpg

it may work... I'm not sure if it will be of any use... What do you think or suggest?

Dean

[sreemv]

I just tried to backup [re-author mode - no editing] my Avatar BD and got an error at "preparing menu" stage - now I am left with ~90GB in the destination AVCHD folder where as the source is only 45.4GB after nearly 10 hours of just splitting and re-mapping - anyone else run into this?

[mic]

I believe I can implement something like the HDAVCTN folder but for files...

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it may work... I'm not sure if it will be of any use... What do you think or suggest?

Thanks Dean

Having multiAVCHD accept the image files from the start would be a big help & speed things up, but I feel bad asking you to do the extra work if I'm the only one that might use it. Replacing the files does work & re-rendering the layout doesn't take too long -- maybe some others will chime in?

Myself I save snapshots in Vegas or PowerDVD, & if/when I want to get fancy I fade or frame the edges of the thumbnail in an image editor -- I don't mind it at all, but maybe some would like it better if you tied in the video preview you've already got in the properties dialog?.. You've got the chapter thumbnails listed right there, so maybe tie the two together, like click this button when the frame you want to use is in the preview?

Thanks again

[mic]

I just tried to backup [re-author mode - no editing] my Avatar BD and got an error at "preparing menu" stage - now I am left with ~90GB in the destination AVCHD folder where as the source is only 45.4GB after nearly 10 hours of just splitting and re-mapping - anyone else run into this?

I honestly don't know if this *might* be related or apply or anything, but the DVD/BD set we bought apparently had a bad BD disc from the start -- it crashed PowerDVD & CinePlayer BD & when I tried to redo the movie to get something that would play, DGIndex, V/Dub, Vegas, & every other app I tried froze too. On my hdd there was 1 part of the file that was bad -- same place, several rips.

[deank]

I just tried to backup [re-author mode - no editing] my Avatar BD and got an error at "preparing menu" stage - now I am left with ~90GB in the destination AVCHD folder where as the source is only 45.4GB after nearly 10 hours of just splitting and re-mapping - anyone else run into this?

1) There is no "preparing menu" stage in re-author mode.
2) multiAVCHD cannot handle multi-versions of a movie (branched titles). It is clearly stated in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361598#post1361598).

In re-author mode features as PIP (Picture-in-Picture) are not supported (yet). Blu-ray titles, featuring alternate endings with branched playlists may or may not work as expected (either one branch will work or you will get huge oversize, having both/all versions in the final compilation). I don't have such titles to test with. TextST (subtitles) should work.

[sreemv]

Thanks for the reply Dean!

1) There is no "preparing menu" stage in re-author mode.


Sorry but thats the last thing I see in the multiAVCHD.log file:

[09:19:29] Preparing menu pages...

[09:19:29] Encoding Title List menu page [1/16].
[09:19:58] Encoding Title List menu page [2/16].
[09:20:08] Encoding Title List menu page [3/16].
[09:20:19] Encoding Title List menu page [4/16].
[09:20:29] Encoding Title List menu page [5/16].
[09:20:39] Encoding Title List menu page [6/16].
[09:20:49] Encoding Title List menu page [7/16].
[09:20:59] Encoding Title List menu page [8/16].
[09:21:09] Encoding Title List menu page [9/16].
[09:21:19] Encoding Title List menu page [10/16].
[09:21:29] Encoding Title List menu page [11/16].
[09:21:40] Encoding Title List menu page [12/16].
[09:21:50] Encoding Title List menu page [13/16].
[09:22:00] Encoding Title List menu page [14/16].
[09:22:11] Encoding Title List menu page [15/16].
[09:22:21] Encoding Title List menu page [16/16].

I also see another file called "details.txt" which was filled with a bunch of "imdb" links.

2) multiAVCHD cannot handle multi-versions of a movie (branched titles). It is clearly stated in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1361598#post1361598).

My apologies, I missed that post but I didnt know this particular title falls into that category?

So, is there a work around to just get the main title?

Thanks again for all your work and in no way am I unappreciative of the great useful program of yours.

[deank]

If you load the original BDMV folder you'll be prompted if you want to enter re-author mode. If you do there is no way that you'll get 'encoding title-list menu'.

Yes, you can get the main movie only if you remove all playlists from media tab, which you don't need.

1) Start multiAVCHD
2) Set "Do not implort BDMV/AVCHD/DVD playlists if shorter than" [3600] in AUTHOR tab
3) Drag&drop the BDMV folder and answer with "NO" at the prompt.
4) Open [properties] and remove playlists if needed.

Dean :)

[insaneoctane]

its me again with windows 7 with the new installation problems trying to work through it and understand what is required to get a working copy of multi avchd on a new installed os.
so i've made progress but i'm not 100 percent fixed yet. i was able to start over and reinstall everything for the directions i read on the board and the biggest difference came for making sure in windows 7 to use the tweak tool that seems to give it a big difference by manually setting everything to use at ffshow now i have a different problem i was able to create a compilation and it was able to process through all of the titles until i got to the motion menu section and then within the first 3 titles i had a machine locked up with the error message the x 264 has quit responding. i noticed when it's creating that motion menus i get at least a dozen icons filling my tray i get 1 of haali and 1 of ffshow and it get some titles well give me the next 264 has stop working. any suggestions?

[flaviometal]

Dean, some of my menus are acting in a strage way... in preview works ok, but after transcode, some buttons insists in not appear (see image). The first button it's normal, the second is missing half, and the third one, doesn't appear. Did you already notice that? It's the third or fourth movie this happens...


http://h.imagehost.org/0058/spidey.jpg


By the way, the button mappings are ok, and all working after transcode.

[deank]

I'm aware of the problem, but I forgot to fix it. There are some hidden buttons which overlap with your buttons and that's why it happens. These hidden ones are on the right side, so if you had yours to the left it won't happen.

I'll fix it in the next build. Thanks for reminding me of it.

[kempodragon]

Just wanted to post an update about my test clip. The conversion came out ok, but with an interesting twist. When the ball was thrown, it was like watching it under a strobe light. You could see it traveling almost 1 frame at at time, but leaving an after image as well. The players movement was normal with no jerkiness, just the ball had this strange effect. When I played the original on the camcorder, the strobe light effect was still there, but much smoother movement. I'll upload a segment sometime showing this, because it's really interesting to watch.

[deank]

Build 755 (requires full-download (http://download.videohelp.com/deanbg/multiAVCHD_4.1.exe) | mirror (http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/download/))

* Classic title-list menu: font, size, color and outline set in MENU tab will be used for title names
* Title-list menus: different default background audio
* Main menu: fixed button overlapping (reported few posts up)
* Chapter/Title-list menus: fixed hidden buttons in IGS which cause troubles in some players not changing the active navigation page, causing wrong chapter jumps from chapter menu. Corel WinDVD 10 now doesn't crash when chapter/title-list menu is displayed (but may crash if main menu doesn't have all four buttons PLAY/SETUP/CHAPTERS/TITLE LIST) (to do).
* multiAVCHD.dat updated to [04010755]

Dean

[Capsbackup]

Hi deank, I just tried the latest build 755 on a movie only backup created with BD-RB, that has a file size of 4.28GB. I use multiAVCHD to import this movies .mpls file and also add the original Blu-ray's menu .m2ts file, which is 46.5MB.
I notice after multiAVCHD completes, the new movie and menu is 4.35GB, and the newly created menu is 76.1MB.
In the past the reencoded menu had a smaller than the original file size. :confused:
For this particular backup, all is well. :) But is this normal for the reencoded menu to be larger than the original?

[insaneoctane]

more info on my new windows 7 installation. on my fifth title the program crashed into the option to debug. i took the avs script file play back in mpc and give me an error that says "can not render file".now what has me most confused is that all the file references in the avs script are playable in mpc. so i'm not sure had trouble shoot this.Xits me again with windows 7 with the new installation problems trying to work through it and understand what is required to get a working copy of multi avchd on a new installed os.
so i've made progress but i'm not 100 percent fixed yet. i was able to start over and reinstall everything for the directions i read on the board and the biggest difference came for making sure in windows 7 to use the tweak tool that seems to give it a big difference by manually setting everything to use at ffshow now i have a different problem i was able to create a compilation and it was able to process through all of the titles until i got to the motion menu section and then within the first 3 titles i had a machine locked up with the error message the x 264 has quit responding. i noticed when it's creating that motion menus i get at least a dozen icons filling my tray i get 1 of haali and 1 of ffshow and it get some titles well give me the next 264 has stop working. any suggestions?

[deank]

In the past the reencoded menu had a smaller than the original file size. :confused:
For this particular backup, all is well. :) But is this normal for the reencoded menu to be larger than the original?

The menu encoding uses different options for the last 4-6 builds to achieve better quality. You can try to disable the option in MENU/Advanced about menu-quality encoding.

[deank]

more info on my new windows 7 installation. on my fifth title the program crashed into the option to debug. i took the avs script file play back in mpc and give me an error that says "can not render file".now what has me most confused is that all the file references in the avs script are playable in mpc. so i'm not sure had trouble shoot this.X


Try to uninstall avisynth, reboot and install it again (2.58). Until MPC is able to play the menu .avs - I really can't do anything.

//

"Cannot render file" means that either you have no directshow decoder available for the video or you have way to many filters loading and your OS simply can't handle it.

[Capsbackup]

The menu encoding uses different options for the last 4-6 builds to achieve better quality. You can try to disable the option in MENU/Advanced about menu-quality encoding.

I prefer the high quality menu look! :)
I will just prepare in advance my movie backup size to allow for the higher quality/larger menu size. :p
Thanks deank.

[deank]

Well... 40-50MB is not that much if you think of it. Backups are never 100% the DVD/BD size and even 100MB is not that much.

The difference is 6200kbps for HQ menu and 4200kbps with regular-old-style menus. 2mbit difference + some extra parameters to x264, but the bitrate is what counts.

Obviously it will be different everytime you encode a BD menu, because sometimes it (the original) may be encoded with bitrate <4200kbps or >6200kbps and you'll end up with either smaller or larger re-encoded menu file. :)

Dean

[pio011]

Hello Deank & all the others,

I am now a proud owner of a AVCHD 1080-Cam: Panasonic SD707. Which is indeed a great cam. And again, multiAVCHD helps me a lot to easily create a great looking Blu Ray of my homevideos. Since the camcorder records each scene as a single file, multiAVCHD has the option to join all the scenes to one title, which is absolutely great, because I don't want to end up with a BR Disc containing 120 seperate screnes. I cannot say it enough: mulitAVCHD is a great tool :)
But theres one little problem: after joining the files, the subs are gone! Of course, keeping the cam-subs (showing recording date and time) is for me absolutely necessary - it's a good feature when you watch the homevideo after some time and you just want to know, when the scene originally "happened" - you just have to press the "sub" button on your remote.
So Deank, is there a way to keep the original subs while joining the files? That would be so great!!

Thanks & greets!

PS: I was very amazed, that after joinging the files, there's automatically created an index with chapters for each scene! WOW!! Things can be so easy :)

[deank]

I'll need to look into this, but for the moment you can do much better than joining these MTS files.

Just load the BDMV/AVCHD folder which contain these scenes (mts files) and click [merge playlists] button in MEDIA tab.

Then you'll get one title from merging all playlists with 100% the original video+audio+subtitles.

[deank]

Some improvements in the latest build (you'll need to use multiUPDATE.exe):

* Download (http://www.iol.ie/~schubert/AVSInfo.zip)this nice small (50kb) CLI tool from another doom9 user (Groucho2004) (link to the post) (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154870) and extract AVSInfo.exe in your multiAVCHD\tools folder. This may greatly improve the speed for all image processing/visualization in multiAVCHD. Until now x264 was used for executing avisynth scripts and sometimes caused 'x264 crashed' errors, but with avsinfo it shouldn't happen. Plus, it is much faster and doesn't need colorspace conversion at the end of each avs script. The tool is included in the full-download.

* Small fix: menu font color setting will be available even when [-] Create top menu is not selected (useful for title-list menu setting when no main top menu is created).

* Fixed: sometimes the crop zone when using zoom (%H) in [transcode] window will cause slight AR distortion. It is fixed now + some more zoom %s.

Dean

[deank]

I posted some time ago in BD-Rebuilder thread that I'll create a small tool to check user PC Directshow capabilities of decoding AVC/H.264, MPEG-2 and VC-1, so here it is:

Download link (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiTEST/) (3MB)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiTEST.jpg

Contains:

.\multiTEST\multiTEST.exe
.\multiTEST\calclib.dll

.\multiTEST\testdata\test_AVS.JPG
.\multiTEST\testdata\test_H264.m2ts
.\multiTEST\testdata\test_MPEG2.m2ts
.\multiTEST\testdata\test_VC1.m2ts
.\multiTEST\testdata\x264.exe

[insaneoctane]

Try to uninstall avisynth, reboot and install it again (2.58). Until MPC is able to play the menu .avs - I really can't do anything.

//

"Cannot render file" means that either you have no directshow decoder available for the video or you have way to many filters loading and your OS simply can't handle it.

Thanks for the reply Dean. I will try this first chance I get. Unfortunately that won't be for 2 weeks as I'm headed out of town today. I also saw the multitest tool you added. Ill be sure to use that too. Thanks again and ill report back in a few weeks.

[deank]

Okay :) get back with the results... this small tool should report something like:

* Checking AviSynth presence...
* [OK] AVISYNTH (encoded 7782 bytes)

* Checking AVC/H.264 decoding...
* [OK] AVC/H.264 (encoded 56512 bytes)

* Checking MPEG-2 decoding...
* [OK] MPEG-2 (encoded 2761 bytes)

* Checking VC-1 decoding...
* [OK] VC-1 (encoded 2998 bytes)

* All tests completed!


if all is okay.

[speedway76]

Hi Dean
This is my result :-(((

* Checking AviSynth presence...
* [OK] AVISYNTH (encoded 7782 bytes)

* Checking AVC/H.264 decoding...
* [OK] AVC/H.264 (encoded 56512 bytes)

* Checking MPEG-2 decoding...
* [OK] MPEG-2 (encoded 2761 bytes)

* Checking VC-1 decoding...
* [ERR] VC-1 FAILURE

* All tests completed!
* 1 teast failed!

[speedway76]

What to me to do?

[deank]

Check the link and tutorial:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/downloads/

Dean

[speedway76]

Dean.
Has made everything that is written in a management. Has established all components. Result the same:-(((. I do not know, what to me to do?
My OS is Windows 7 32 bit

[Adub]

Did you do what this guide says: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/setup-proper-decoding-chain-windows-7

[speedway76]

Yes. All has made, it is exact on points

[speedway76]

This is my new result :-((((

* Checking AviSynth presence...
* [OK] AVISYNTH (encoded 7782 bytes)

* Checking AVC/H.264 decoding...
* [ERR] AVC/H.264 FAILURE

* Checking MPEG-2 decoding...
* [OK] MPEG-2 (encoded 2761 bytes)

* Checking VC-1 decoding...
* [ERR] VC-1 FAILURE

* All tests completed!
* 2 teast failed!

[lchiu7]

I looked everywhere in the menus but couldn't see where I could set this.

I usually create my content for the program from rips of my own titles (HD-DVD -> AVCHD so I can play them on my Oppo). When I am muxing the content back to ts format, I usually tell tsmuxer to create chapter points every 5 or 10 minutes. But for some reason, when this content is imported into multiAVCHD, the chapter marks get lost.

I see there is an option to create 12 equal chapter points but shouldn't the program observe any existing chapter marks or am I missing something in the menus or options.

[deank]

You can't get chapters with tsMuxeR when using m2ts or ts muxing. Chapters are available only when you create Blu-ray or AVCHD disc with tsMuxeR (they are stored in mpls files).

If you do that (or import a mpls file) multiAVCHD will see the chapters. Chapters are also supported in MKV files or with external .txt/.chp files.

[Laurent]

Hi

I have a problem with chapter marks when converting HD-DVD to AVCHD. Chapter positions are not correct. I have reported the problem in the eac3to thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1405537#post1405537
As I explained, chapter jumps lead to positions before the real position, and the difference is bigger on the last chapters.

Could it be something wrong in multiAVCHD ?

[deank]

I don't know how you import chapters in multiAVCHD.

It uses time-based format and if you load chapters it will use them properly. If their values are not correct you will get incorrect output.

I would guess that the tool you use to extract chapters reports inaccurate values because of framerate conversion.

[Laurent]

I would guess that the tool you use to extract chapters reports inaccurate values because of framerate conversion.

If it was so obvious, I imagine someone before me would have already reported the problem ?

I hade done a fast computation, I don't think the problem could be a mistake between 29.970 and 23.976, but it could be between 23.976 and 24.000. Such mistake leads to 7 seconds after 2 hours.

[mic]

If it was so obvious, I imagine someone before me would have already reported the problem ?

I hade done a fast computation, I don't think the problem could be a mistake between 29.970 and 23.976, but it could be between 23.976 and 24.000. Such mistake leads to 7 seconds after 2 hours.

FWIW & IF it helps, I've found a lot of variance in the player, e.g. a stand-alone, Cineplayer BD, PowerDVD etc. In most cases I *know* where the chapters are, having set them myself, so they're not wrong. I've also seen no difference no matter what authoring app was used, including multiAVCHD, and, re-encoding/re-purposing the video/audio for DVD & BD, on the DVD versions the same chapt timings work flawlessly. As with DVDs, delaying the chapter point a bit -- i.e. not having the chapt occur exactly when the scene starts -- helps... maybe it would help in your case to just add a small amount to each of the chapt times, say 0.5 - 1 sec, maybe more? As Dean said, multiAVCHD & the tools it uses do not do anything other than use the times you set [unless of course you use the auto chapter timings every X number of minutes].

Whatever software you use, as far as fps conversions go, IF you're doing fps conversions [& if so why?], it can get tricky. I often work with the audio, so I'm always monitoring duration & sync, & I've found that timing results after changing video fps can vary from what you'd expect -- the audio in this case is my constant, I change the video, & compare the two so I can re-match the audio if needed. The only way to make 100% sure of chapter timing would be (is) to check your final video on some sort of timeline, whether it's in a player or in an editing app -- I've used Vegas for years, but have heard good things about the free Wax editor, the simpler editors that come with Nero &/or Roxio would be usable, &/or any app really where you can get the time when the the chapter scenes start. That said, (as above) I already do this because DVD chapters align with I frames [either you set them to the correct I frame or take your chances], & [usually] if I don't allow enough of a delay, the BD version with the same timings can show early depending on the player. I've seen this often enough with retail BD discs BTW.

[Laurent]

So, you think it could be a problem with the player, a PS3 in the current case ?
I will compare on the PS3 if there are differences between a Blu-Ray and an AVCHD done from this Blu-Ray.

[deank]

Chapter marks created by tsMuxeR (and multiAVCHD for that matter) do not use I/IDR frames the way it is done with DVD authoring.

Although, when doing complete re-encoding of the video multiAVCHD requests that x264 create IDR frames at each chapter mark, still some players don't land exactly where supposed to when skipping to a chapter/scene.

We discussed that a lot in tsmuxer thread some time ago.

I was thinking of creating a small tool (routine in multiAVCHD) to parse m2ts files and find the IDR frames and then to rewrite the mpls (playlist) files with the closest possible values, but it would take a lot of time (processing wise). It could've been much better if tsMuxeR had the option.

[Laurent]

So, you think it could be a problem with the player, a PS3 in the current case ?
I will compare on the PS3 if there are differences between a Blu-Ray and an AVCHD done from this Blu-Ray.

Ok, after checking, no problem with chapter marks for a Blu-Ray disc and the AVCHD created from this Blu-Ray. Marks are at the same locations and at the right position.
So PS3 is ok when jumping to chapters and eac3to + multiAVCHD is ok to create chapters when dealing with Blu-Ray discs.

That would mean the problem is only with HD-DVD discs and the problem is relative to chapter extractions from these discs.

[pio011]

I'll need to look into this, but for the moment you can do much better than joining these MTS files.

Just load the BDMV/AVCHD folder which contain these scenes (mts files) and click [merge playlists] button in MEDIA tab.

Then you'll get one title from merging all playlists with 100% the original video+audio+subtitles.

Thanks, Deank! Merging Playlists really seems to be an option. But for the moment I still have problems with it:

1. How can I choose the Playlists, which should be merged? Right now - I think - mulitACVHD merges all playlists into one big playlist and I end up with one title. Not so good, if you have filmed e.g. some different "happenings" which should be seperated into different titles. I could not figure out, when and why my camcorder chooses to create a new playlist. That's my problem!
2. That means I am into trouble, if one clip belongs to another playlist and if I want to put this scene to another playlist/title. Therefore it would be great, if you could "fix" the missing subtitles in the "joining"-funtion. I know, that if I use the joining option, I would also be ending up with one big title, because you can only choose the whole folder of mt2-files to be joined. To avoid that, I would copy the belonging mt2-files/scenes in seperate folders, to create different tiles.
So what is the conclusion of all this? Maybe you could fix the subtilte "bug" in the joining option and also implement to choose the mt2-files/Playlists, which you want to join/merge. I don't now, how much work this would be :)
3. I have tested the merging feature - great. But the resulting BR-Disc has not the pop-up menu, although I have checked the pop-up-option in the "author-tab". Using the "merging" feature, the pop-up menu works. Why?

Thanks again for your support!

[deank]

The pop-up menu has nothing to do with the merge/join function.

You can select which playlists to join by loading only those that you want.

1) Load 00000.MPL
2) Load 00010.MPL
3) Open [PROPERTIES]
4) Change [full-mode] to [fast-mode] for both playlists
5) Click [OK]

Then you can merge these two only.

[deank]

Build 755(+):

* MPlayer/MEncoder updated to Sherpya-SVN-r31170-4.2.5 (May 10th, 2010) (in full download)
* Fixed: 6 channel audio in AVI/TRP/AVS was converted to stereo. It should work now (although DTS in AVI may not be decoded properly).
* Added: DEBUG prompt when error occurs during CHAPTER page encoding/muxing
* Added: files/titles with unsupported video codec will be auto-marked for transcoding (including all flash .flv and windows .wmv files)
* Fixed: date detection of camcoder recordings (m2ts) showed wrong day-of-month (always 19th). Should be okay now.

Dean

[pio011]

The pop-up menu has nothing to do with the merge/join function.

You can select which playlists to join by loading only those that you want.

1) Load 00000.MPL
2) Load 00010.MPL
3) Open [PROPERTIES]
4) Change [full-mode] to [fast-mode] for both playlists
5) Click [OK]

Then you can merge these two only.

Okay thanks for the info - i will test that. Are you going to check on the problem with the "lost" subtitles in the joining mode? :thanks:

[deank]

:) Nice... it works... You can update your multiAVCHD.

[17:23:52] 7 media files will be joined in one title! (C:\Users\Dean Kasabow\Desktop\SD_TEST\AVCHD_TG7VE_HQ_Test\BDMV\STREAM\)
[17:23:52] *** Pre-processing is required, please wait...

[17:23:52] tsdemux AVCHD/Blu-Ray HDMV Transport Stream demultiplexer
[17:23:52] Copyright (C) 2009 Anton Burdinuk (clark15b@gmail.com)
[17:23:52] http://code.google.com/p/tsdemux
[17:23:52] *** Compiling files...
[17:23:54] *** Pre-processing completed. Adding joined media...
[17:23:54] *** Subtitles detected (PGS/SUP)...
[17:23:57] *** Re-packing elementary streams [C:\calcit\templates\temp\_tsd\20100606-172352-293\camdump.m2ts]...
[17:24:00] *** Done!
[17:24:03] Detected Recording Date/Time: 2010/03/09 18:40:12 [C:\calcit\templates\temp\_tsd\20100606-172352-293\camdump.m2ts].


Even the recording date/time from the joined media is detected and added as title name :)

Subtitles from camcoder recording will be added to the joined title ONLY if you answer with "YES"/OK at the prompt to re-pack the joined media into M2TS container. M2TS will contain video+audio+subtitles and will get the recording date/time as title-name.

Something worth mentioning: Once you opt to merge all streams into a single file you get a .m2ts file with all scenes (for a particular day/week of shooting). You don't have to create a compilation out of it, but you can store it for later use. Have in mind that each subsequent launch of multiAVCHD may clear the contents of _tsd folder.

In the example above you can see that the file is stored under multiAVCHD's folder in .\templates\temp\_tsd\YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS-***\camdump.m2ts. Move it to a safe location and name it properly. Doing this will allow you to create volumes for later re-use, without going through the join mode again.

An example would be to store each week (or day) recordings into a single file/title and use them whenever you wish. :p

Dean

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Needless to say, multiAVCHD provides the easiest, fastest and complete way to transfer AVCHD HD camcoder recordings to SD DVD Video format in just few clicks (3).

1) Drag your camcoder STREAM folder and answer YES to join the files and then YES to repack into m2ts container
2) Click [START]
3) Click [SD-DVD] and select media-FIT option

You get a nice DVD Video disc to share with relatives and friends, using standard DVD players. You get the chapters and subtitles (recording information). :)

[Music Fan]

Does anybody know if the Sony BDP-370 has problems playing AVCHD or BD5/9 made with MultiAVCHD ?
Someone in this topic says that he had problems with AVCHD in strict mode on the 373 (nearly same than 370, different remote) ;
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1404052#post1404052
Another one says the 370 can't play BD5 with Java menues but he can play Movie-only backups made with BD-Rebuilder, which looks like the Strict mode of MultiAVCHD.
I'm bored of my Panasonic BD-35 and I wanna test animated and pop-up menues !

[deank]

I'm sure you won't have any troubles playing multiAVCHD authored discs (BD5/BD9/BD25) with this player (authored as AVCHD replaxed/strict or as Blu-ray).

BD-Rebuilder's "Movie-only" mode is similar to 'no-menu' output from multiAVCHD and to tsMuxeR's [x] AVCHD disc mode.

Important thing to mention is that these 3 applications output different authoring-wise structures. I won't comment on any other free application which claims to be able to produce AVCHD... there is no such app anyway.

tsMuxeR's so-called "AVCHD" output has almost nothing to do with AVCHD.
BD-Rebuilder's "Movie-only" output will be 100% AVCHD compliant may be in one of the next releases.
multiAVCHD "AVCHD" output is AVCHD what it should be.

Not being able to play BD-J disc backups burned to BD5/BD9 is not good, because most Blu-ray titles nowadays are java authored, but the same goes for Playstation3 and probably will affect more and more players.

Dean

[pio011]

:) Nice... it works... You can update your multiAVCHD.

That was fast, DeanK. Thanks again! I will test it soon! :)

Is it to much to ask for, to implement an option to actually choose the mts-files you want to join? Maybe something like a browser-window to open and not just to choose a whole folder of mts-files? :o

[deank]

May be a window when you drag the folder to select files with a video-preview box? :)

I guess in one of the next builds.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_join_selection.jpg

It is almost ready anyway, so I guess it will be available in the next update tomorrow. ;)

[Music Fan]

I'm sure you won't have any troubles playing multiAVCHD authored discs (BD5/BD9/BD25) with this player (...)
Dean

Thanks for this clear answer !

[deank]

Quick update:

* Fixed: color/outline for classic-title list menu (worked in the preview but not in the final encoding)
* Removed: Prompt where user decides whether to get joined files into elementary streams or in one m2ts file. Defaults to one m2ts file now.
* Added: M2TS/MTS join selection window (in the screenshot above) when drag&drop folder with m2ts/mts files. User can re-arrange files, sort and remove files, drag&drop other m2ts/mts files (but not folders).

Needless to say, all files added must have the same properties (video and audio codec, framerate, scan type and stream count).

Dean

[pio011]

Quick update:

* Fixed: color/outline for classic-title list menu (worked in the preview but not in the final encoding)
* Removed: Prompt where user decides whether to get joined files into elementary streams or in one m2ts file. Defaults to one m2ts file now.
* Added: M2TS/MTS join selection window (in the screenshot above) when drag&drop folder with m2ts/mts files. User can re-arrange files, sort and remove files, drag&drop other m2ts/mts files (but not folders).

Needless to say, all files added must have the same properties (video and audio codec, framerate, scan type and stream count).

Dean

WWWOOOOOOWW! Great DeanK, you are the Man! ;) Thank you!
By the way: Since the "AVSInfo.exe"-Update it takes forever to open the title-properties? I have tried to un-/reinstall multiAVCHD with no success.

[deank]

You can safely delete avsinfo.exe from tools folder. multiAVCHD will default to the old preview style. Such problem means that there is something wrong with your directshow processing.

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"Forever" is usually = 30 seconds. multiAVCHD kills most tasks if they take more than 30 seconds to complete, when expected to do their job in just 1-3 seconds.

[pio011]

You can safely delete avsinfo.exe from tools folder. multiAVCHD will default to the old preview style. Such problem means that there is something wrong with your directshow processing. Ouch! Maybe yes, but why all the sudden? I need to check on that...

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"Forever" is usually = 30 seconds. multiAVCHD kills most tasks if they take more than 30 seconds to complete, when expected to do their job in just 1-3 seconds. Ok, ok, maybe I was a tad exaggerating :p

By the way: If I re-install multiAVCHD (e.g. if I re-download the whole pack instead of using the mulitupdate, would it be wise to do a un-install first?

[deank]

multiAVCHD "install" package is basically un-zip process. It doesn't do anything but replace your multiAVCHD\*.* files (except for the .ini file). Uninstall/Install often makes no difference, unless there are new tools in the full-download package.

If you have troubles viewing 'previews' then re-install will not change anything. multiAVCHD depends on directshow to display previews and un/re-install changes nothing.

[Dolsen]

WWWOOOOOOWW! Great DeanK, you are the Man! ;) Thank you!
By the way: Since the "AVSInfo.exe"-Update it takes forever to open the title-properties? I have tried to un-/reinstall multiAVCHD with no success.

You can safely delete avsinfo.exe from tools folder. multiAVCHD will default to the old preview style. Such problem means that there is something wrong with your directshow processing.

//

"Forever" is usually = 30 seconds. multiAVCHD kills most tasks if they take more than 30 seconds to complete, when expected to do their job in just 1-3 seconds.

Hi,

After I installed the version that added the new tool AVSinfo.exe, I got back my frustrating 30 second delays when opening properties or other parts where a frame from video is to be shown in the gui. I knew why and after I fixed it, I got back the quick respons again.

Here is the link to my post that talked about this 30 second delay and how to fix it. Tips if you have 30 second delays (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1373689&postcount=4400) In this post, where it talks about "mx264.exe", it also related to the new tool AVSinfo.exe.

Deank, please make som info somewhere so that users know how to avoid these 30seconds delays, if possible.

Bye,
Dolsen

[deank]

As I promised some time ago, I tested multiAVCHD with a clean Windows 7 (Ultimate) 32bit installation.

It took about 3 hours of fighting to make MOTION chapters work. Interestingly enough my Vista 32bit PC has only 2GB of RAM and the PC I installed Win7 had 3GB.

Still motion chapters failed each time with the same message: "Not enough memory folks!" (x264) or "GDI/Insufficient memory" (avisynth) or just no errors and no output.

I tried to increase the virtual memory to 4GB (System Properties / Advanced / Change) but it really didn't make any difference.

The latest build 756 got some changes about motion chapters and now multiAVCHD will not use directshow but ffms2.dll when parsing video for these video thumbnails.

It works in Win7.

Those of you who had troubles, please update to the latest build and give it a try, then post your comments here.

Dean

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I'm still puzzled why all worked on my Vista installation and not on other people's installations. I had less physical memory than the Win7 PC I installed, and I was currently running over 15 applications, including Azureus, Nod32, skype, photoshop, dreamweaver, 4 ms excel and 2 ms word documents, ~20 tabs in firefox, daemon tools, sony-ericsson suite, adobe acrobat, remote administrator, powerpoint and probably something else... x264 never gave up with "we ran out of memory, folks!" message... I have no explanation. Either my old ffdshow has something to do with it or the windows installation itself or the DELL Inspiron 1720 laptop hardware.

I just don't know.

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A side note from this 'experiment' is that transcoding of VC-1 WMV files doesn't even require ffdshow - just multiAVCHD and AviSynth. :)

[Laurent]

Quick question for Dean (or anyone knowing the answer): I will have to rebuild my AVCHD structure after changing chapter positions for several titles. Do I have to first delete AVCHDTN and HDAVCTN folders ? Or is multiAVCHD enough clever to understand that certain thumbs have to be recomputed (before rebuilding the chapter menus) when I change the chapter marks ?

[deank]

To change chapter positions you had to switch to title full-mode processing. multiAVCHD is 'clever' enough and will create new chapter images for these titles. You definitely don't need to delete HDAVCTN folder. AVCHDTN is always recreated, so it makes no difference.

[flaviometal]

The latest build 756 got some changes about motion chapters and now multiAVCHD will not use directshow but ffms2.dll when parsing video for these video thumbnails.

Dean, since the first "motion chapters" build, I never been able to make this option work on my Win7 64, but now with build 756, it works like a charm! Thanks!

[deank]

@flaviometal: I guess three hours well spent then! :)

[deank]

ffdshow and haali spliter installation steps: (steps to take if you have problems with transcoding or menu preparation!)

If you have ffdshow or avisynth or haali splitter - uninstall them and install supported versions (http://multiAVCHD.deanBG.com/downloads/) in following order:

1) Install Avisynth 2.58

2) Install ffdshow

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-01.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-02.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-03.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-04.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-05.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-06.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-07.jpg

3) Install haali (Matroska / Матрешка) splitter

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ms-01.jpg

[Laurent]

To change chapter positions you had to switch to title full-mode processing. multiAVCHD is 'clever' enough and will create new chapter images for these titles. You definitely don't need to delete HDAVCTN folder. AVCHDTN is always recreated, so it makes no difference.

Ok, thank you Dean for the information.
Unfortunately, full mode processing means lots of time too :-(

[deank]

Two new options in the latest update (user request):

In MENU/Buttons/Labels tab:
[x] Show labels on main menu page only - With this option ON, PLAY/CHAPTERS/SETUP/TITLE_LIST labels will appear only on the main menu page, but not on chapters/setup pages.

In MENU/Extended tab:
Menu encoding quality: Normal/High/Very high (6200/8200/13500kbps).

Dean

[dvgeek]

ffdshow and haali spliter installation steps: (steps to take if you have problems with transcoding or menu preparation!)
.....



Thanks Dean !!!
:thanks:

[dvgeek]

I realize the randomize feature is unique and great, but is there any way we can turn it off? Both for BG video as well as the title thumbnail?

Even after checking the box not to use the feature on BG video, my BG video is randomized.

Thanks.

[Dolsen]

ffdshow and haali spliter installation steps: (steps to take if you have problems with transcoding or menu preparation!)

If you have ffdshow or avisynth or haali splitter - uninstall them and install supported versions (http://multiAVCHD.deanBG.com/downloads/) in following order:

1) Install Avisynth 2.58

2) Install ffdshow

3) Install haali (Matroska / Матрешка) splitter

Great work making this guide with pictures from the install progress. With this install progress the user will avoid the 30 seconds delay I was talking about, since you showed installing ffdshow without using the "whitelist" where a user can choose which programs will use ffdshow.

But perhaps add a comment next to the last screenshot of ffdshow install, informing that if the user enables the feature "use only ffdshow in these programs", they have to add "mx264.exe" and "avsinfo.exe" (and perhaps "x264.exe") from the tools folder of multiavchd, to avoid 30 second delay.

Bye,
Dolsen

[Laurent]

Dean, I have a big problem with the quality of thumbmails produced by multiAVCHD for chapter menus. Some are with a lot of macroblocks. Is it something that could be relative to my ffdshow configuration ? Codec for the titles is VC-1 and libavcodec is selected for this codec in ffdhow configuration (not wmv9).

Should the thumbmail be the picture displayed exactly at the chapter mark ? Because I have an example for which the thumbmail created for the last chapter is a picture located before the real chapter mark (less than one second before).

I have the feeling that the thumbmails are very dark compared to what I see when playing the title. Is it a wrong feeling ?

And to finish, I find the thumbs in chapter menu too much small. No way to have something bigger ?

[deank]

Here is a small tool for fast text subtitle conversion (microDVD SUB, SRT, SSA/ASS) to PGS/SUP/XML/PNG(BDM):

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Download link: 1.3MB standalone package (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/goSUP/)

Download link: 125KB executable only (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/goSUP.exe) (if you have multiAVCHD, just put it in multiAVCHD folder).

(since my servers are down, here is a mirror for the .exe (http://92.247.11.202/sub/new/goSUP.exe)only.)

As you can see, it is quite simple, but some people need just that. :)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/goSUP.jpg

XML+PNG are saved in a .rar archive in source file folder (just like easySUP does).
SUP is saved in source file folder.

Here is how the result may look:

With light shadow:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_01.jpg

Without shadow:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_02.jpg

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http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_03.jpg
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_04.jpg
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_05.jpg
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gosup_06.jpg

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It takes about 2-3 mins to process 500 subpictures in 1080p, about 1min for 720p (and 20-30secs for 480/576i).

No external filters/plugins are used in the avisynth script.

It supports, left/center/right alignment, bottom offset, font size/color/outline, shadow, blur, opacity... Breaks long lines in ssa/ass, converts {000}{000} microDVD sub and ssa/ass to srt before converting to png/xml/sup.

Requires only avisynth and java (for bdsup2sub).

goSUP supports multiple source files. You can drag&drop multiple text subtitles to the file-box and get them processed in batch.

Dean

[insaneoctane]

Thanks for the reply Dean. I will try this first chance I get. Unfortunately that won't be for 2 weeks as I'm headed out of town today. I also saw the multitest tool you added. Ill be sure to use that too. Thanks again and ill report back in a few weeks.

First thing I did was run multi-tool, and its says everything is fine:
* Checking AviSynth presence...
* [OK] AVISYNTH (encoded 7782 bytes)

* Checking AVC/H.264 decoding...
* [OK] AVC/H.264 (encoded 56408 bytes)

* Checking MPEG-2 decoding...
* [OK] MPEG-2 (encoded 2761 bytes)

* Checking VC-1 decoding...
* [OK] VC-1 (encoded 2998 bytes)

* All tests completed!

Interesting since MAVCHD has had problems per my message last week. I think I'll first unintall and try the order you recommended, then I download the latest MAVCHD and see where I end up.

[insaneoctane]

ffdshow and haali spliter installation steps: (steps to take if you have problems with transcoding or menu preparation!)

2) Install ffdshow

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-07.jpg



With out text here, mine looks same...what's the significance of this setting?

[deank]

Some installations have [x] Use ffdshow only in: option enabled. It causes 'hidden 30 seconds prompts' each time multiAVCHD (or one of its components) needs ffdshow for something.

[insaneoctane]

Dean, as of 3:20pm PST (-8 GMT), 6/10/2010, I think your site is down (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com)

[deank]

It is up now... I forgot to pay the internet bill :mad:

[dvgeek]

Dean - I've tried modifying the menu templates - looks like there's no way to disable the randomize function for menu BG video and motion titles.

Am I missing something?

Love your program, but in this instance looks like I'll have to manually create and assemble each element of the structure from different programs to achieve what I need.:(

[deank]

Hmm... Load your video file (not a project) and try again. I'll check the the randomize function later.

[mic]

Dean, I have a big problem with the quality of thumbmails produced by multiAVCHD for chapter menus. Some are with a lot of macroblocks. Is it something that could be relative to my ffdshow configuration ? Codec for the titles is VC-1 and libavcodec is selected for this codec in ffdhow configuration (not wmv9).

Should the thumbnail be the picture displayed exactly at the chapter mark ? Because I have an example for which the thumbnail created for the last chapter is a picture located before the real chapter mark (less than one second before).

I have the feeling that the thumbmails are very dark compared to what I see when playing the title. Is it a wrong feeling ?

And to finish, I find the thumbs in chapter menu too much small. No way to have something bigger ?

I can't comment on making the thumbs bigger, but here's what I've done last...

After preparing the disc layout in multiAVCHD there's a folder called HDAVCTN, & inside are all the images used. While I've used other apps for video snapshots & it worked out quite well, this last time I used VirtualDub -- may need AviSynth, & possibly dgavcdec or dgmpgdec. After opening the video file, if it behaves sluggishly, maybe try adding a resize filter, downsizing as needed, & display only the output pane [it helps in this case to reverse the pane displays]. Then I opened P/Shop [many other editors should work too], & created a new image the same size as the video in V/Dub. Then it's simply a matter of going to the chapter times in V/Dub, finding a good frame for the image [usually a short time after the chapter], copying the output frame to the clipboard, & pasting it into the new image in P/Shop.

Each time you paste a frame it shows up on a new layer, so when you're done copying & pasting you can crop &/or resize [to match the images in HDAVCTN], &/or adjust things like brightness/contrast, & so on -- ideally you only have to do this once for all the layers in the image rather than individually for each thumbnail. Once things are set as you want them, in P/shop "Save for web" or otherwise export jpgs - turning off the layers one at a time top to bottom, naming the files the same as the existing images.

Once your images are in place in that HDAVCTN folder, open the multiAVCHD project file that was saved with your rendered layout -- not the one you saved while creating the project. Then I change the color slightly for the rectangle around the chapter thumbnails, and render the project again... the main video is just moved to the new folder, so it doesn't take long at all, & all my images are used for the chapters. :cool:

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Almost forgot, regarding BD avc & vc1, I've seen some problems on this rig, mainly when in 7 ult, related *I think* to AviSynth conflicting with other video software I have installed, in particular Vegas 9... Not saying that's why you got the garbaged frames -- only that I've had this occur randomly in video on Vegas' timeline using AviSynth & VFAPI, & in other apps if Vegas is running, or has even been run & then shut down... no prob if I don't start Vegas after booting into 7. Don't know if you have any Sony apps or not, but wanted to point out the possibility of having some similar conflict on your system causing problems.

[deank]

Resolution and bit-depth of JPEG images in HDAVCTN folder can be anything you wish. multiAVCHD will resize the images anyway, so you may not bother and skip the 'resize' step. :) As long images are 16:9 you'll get what you need.

If you don't need special processing you can extract images with MPC, too - fast and easy.

Dean

[insaneoctane]

Ok, so I made good progress on my Win 7 Ultimate new install.
I unistalled the 3 pcs you recommended (ffdshow, haali, and avisynth) and re-installed in the order you recommended. Then I installed the latest MAVCHD and things are looking up. As an interesting side note, the multiTEST tool has ALWAYS showed success at rendering.
I'm still struggling with a few VC-1 files that seem to be causing me trouble and I'm reaching out here to see if someone can offer a suggestion on how to troubleshoot the problem. When I try to play them in MPC, I simply get the message "cannot render the file". My PS3 has played this AVCHD no problem. I've read a lot of stuff on the net, but they all want me to install codecs out the yin-yang and that is the LAST thing I want to do. As a matter of fact, I'd like to keep it as clean as it is now (ffdshow and haali!). Anyway the source of these AVCHD files is blu ray, so I don't know WHY they won't work. Here's the details: MPC won't play, MAVCHD can't render the preview (see snapshot below)...if I click on "preview", I DO GET THUMBNAILS (how is that!?). I attached ANOTHER VC-1 film that seems fine to prove the system can handle VC-1...I'd love some help if you'd be so kind...

Thanks again!

[deank]

The 'problem' is that multiAVCHD creates the thumbnails and motion bg/chapters AFTER a compilation is complete. It means that it will use M2TS files for source.

The major problem with most configurations is the inability to directshow-decode video inside m2ts container.

As I posted few days ago, transcoding of VC-1 WMV file on Win7 doesn't even need haali or ffdshow. But once multiAVCHD multiplexes it (tsmuxer) without transcoding into m2ts - things go down and no images (chapters/title-thumbs) can be extracted from the re-muxed file.

In short - for multiAVCHD to do its job, it needs your PC to be able to play M2TS files with various video-codecs.

[mic]

Ok, so I made good progress on my Win 7 Ultimate new install.
I unistalled the 3 pcs you recommended (ffdshow, haali, and avisynth) and re-installed in the order you recommended. Then I installed the latest MAVCHD and things are looking up. As an interesting side note, the multiTEST tool has ALWAYS showed success at rendering.
I'm still struggling with a few VC-1 files that seem to be causing me trouble and I'm reaching out here to see if someone can offer a suggestion on how to troubleshoot the problem. When I try to play them in MPC, I simply get the message "cannot render the file". My PS3 has played this AVCHD no problem. I've read a lot of stuff on the net, but they all want me to install codecs out the yin-yang and that is the LAST thing I want to do. As a matter of fact, I'd like to keep it as clean as it is now (ffdshow and haali!). Anyway the source of these AVCHD files is blu ray, so I don't know WHY they won't work. Here's the details: MPC won't play, MAVCHD can't render the preview (see snapshot below)...if I click on "preview", I DO GET THUMBNAILS (how is that!?). I attached ANOTHER VC-1 film that seems fine to prove the system can handle VC-1...I'd love some help if you'd be so kind...

Thanks again!

The 'problem' is that multiAVCHD creates the thumbnails and motion bg/chapters AFTER a compilation is complete. It means that it will use M2TS files for source.

The major problem with most configurations is the inability to directshow-decode video inside m2ts container.

...

In short - for multiAVCHD to do its job, it needs your PC to be able to play M2TS files with various video-codecs.



If it helps at all troubleshooting etc...

When it comes to DS filters, Windows apps rely [I *think* among other things] on the filter's Merit [i.e. rank], when they assemble the chain [i.e. build a graph] of the filters needed to play whatever media. Potential prob # 1) not all filters are compatible, so there's often more than one attempt made at putting together such a chain. If you use one of the SysInternals or Nirsoft process monitoring tools or similar you'll often see those DS filters that were rejected are still active, & still potentially causing problems. [As in an earlier post, I can have problems if I just run Vegas once & shut it down.] You can change a filter's merit in something like graphstudio or filmerit, but it can take a bit of trial & error changing values for several rather than just one Direct Show filter or file to get things working. I've also run into filters, notably from Sonic, that were near impossible to control in this respect. And you can have problems with DS filters lying to Windows about their capabilities, so attempts are made to use them when/where they can't be used.

Problem 2) I've seen cases where graphics hardware drivers [in my case ATI] interfered -- regardless what they should/should not be capable of, I've sometimes found the only way to get whatever video working was to disable hardware accel in the card's controls [ATI's CCC], in wmplayer, in the registry for certain apps, &/or in PowerDVD -- this is in spite of the fact that any of those settings should be un-related & have absolutely no effect at all -- I wouldn't expect Wmplayer settings to be valid with non-wmv video not using wmplayer, but they sometimes were/are. For me, running ATI, results for a while depended on that month's Avivo [video processing] drivers -- I frequently had to avoid the current release. To fix these sorts of problems I had to resort to trial & error, which while a PITA, also more-or-less proved the driver software was involved.

Problem 3) file name extension associations can be all it takes for one sort of video or another to not work properly -- I've run into cases where a DS filter was provided by an app that refused to recognize file name extensions that weren't specifically entered into it's registry keys. Generally in my experience if that sort of thing's the case, renaming the file causes it to work when dragged & dropped onto whatever app or player.

Playing/rendering video in graphedit or graphstudio often tells you if your system can work with whatever format using Direct Show. The Microsoft file: vc1esparser.dll from one of their SDKs [avail on-line - Google/Bing], copied to whatever folder & registered with Windows often helps with VC1 specifically, but I still need ffdshow for VFW in V/dub etc. I've also found that BD VC1 handling can sometimes be so slow & trouble prone that using it via Direct Show is impractical, though bear in mind I'm still slowly getting to the root of a compatibility problem or 3 myself. In 7 don't forget to check out Windows default decoders & renderers too -- in XP .NET 3.5 I think adds the newer video renderer that can help in some situations.

[deank]

A quick note:

The latest update has some fixes for motion-chapter-thumbnails, especially when dealing with more than 1 title and when titles have different number of chapters.

If for some reason motion chapters cannot be extracted, multiAVCHD will fall back to static and will not error out.

Dean

[daberti]

A quick note:

The latest update has some fixes for motion-chapter-thumbnails, especially when dealing with more than 1 title and when titles have different number of chapters.

If for some reason motion chapters cannot be extracted, multiAVCHD will fall back to static and will not error out.

Dean

You restless mighty programmer :) :thanks:

[deank]

Just say it works already... Please! :)

If this 'fix' doesn't do the job I'd recommend users not to use motion-chapter-thumbs. :confused: I just don't know what else to do.

[Challes_gyn]

Can you help me, this compilation don't work.
The problem is ref frames = 9, but multiavchd show:
[00:32:07] Initialising...
[00:32:07] Checking for new version...
[00:32:10] You have the latest build.
[00:32:10] [08/06/2010] build 756 (latest is: 756) - Motion chapter-thumbnails improvement (Win7). M2TS join selection window.
[00:32:10] Consistency check finished!
[00:32:10] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[00:32:10] 1 year and 169 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[00:32:10] 319 people supported it with donations
[00:32:10] and you are the 1898255 one to launch the program...
[00:32:10] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[00:32:10] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04010755]

[00:33:24] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[00:33:30] Destination [E:]: NTFS, 51235.97 MiB (50.035 GiB) free space
[00:33:30] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 18160.37 MiB (17.735 GiB) free space

[00:33:30] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.1 (build 756)
[00:33:30] Selected output mode: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)

[00:33:30] Processing one title...
[00:33:30] Existing E:\Filme_HD_recodificado\AVCHD\ cannot be used as destination folder!
[00:33:30] Output will be written to: E:\Filme_HD_recodificado\AVCHD-20100613-003330
[00:33:32] Processing (E:\Filmes HD\Thimisou.720p.mkv)...
[00:33:32] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[00:33:32] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[00:33:32] *** Initiating video encoding:

[00:33:32] *** Original : 1280x720
[00:33:32] *** Crop : 0
[00:33:32] *** Resize : 1280x720 (No change)
[00:33:32] *** Uncrop to : 1280x720
[00:33:32] *** Sharpen : 0
[00:33:32] *** Bitrate : 8600 kbps
[00:33:32] *** Frame rate: Original (29.970)
[00:33:32] *** Level : 4
[00:33:32] *** B-frames : 3
[00:33:32] *** Ref-frames: 4
[00:33:32] *** GOP size : 60 (keyframe min. each 4 frames)
[00:33:32] *** Quality : One pass (turbo)
[00:33:32] *** SAR : 1:1
[00:33:32] *** DAR : 1280x720
[00:33:32] *** Profile : Blu-ray

[00:33:32] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [02:31:24]
[00:33:32] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset veryfast -B 8600 -I 60 --level 4 -i 8 -b 3 -r 4 -m 2 --mvrange 511 -A p8x8,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 25000 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --qcomp 0.5 --threads auto --thread-input --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --rc-lookahead 60 -o "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100613\Thimisou.720p.[1280x720-29.970].264" "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\20100613-003332-uncrop-running.avs"
[07:04:04] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[07:30:57] *** Speed : 10.87 fps (elapsed: 06:57:24 - Realtime x 0.36)

[07:30:57] *** Transcoding successful!

[07:31:05] Detected frame reference count: 3 (max:6).
[07:31:05] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1280x720, fps=29.970, ref=3
[07:31:05] Detected audio: ID#2:A_DTS (48000Hz 24bit 6ch) Language: eng
[07:31:05] Added audio: A_DTS, "E:\Filmes HD\Thimisou.720p.mkv", track=2, lang=eng, timeshift=0ms
[07:31:05] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[07:31:05] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1280:720p Frame rate: 29.9701
H.264 manual setted fps not equal stream fps. Change H.264 fps from 29.9701 to 29.97
Decoding DTS stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames
H264 bitstream changed: insert SPS/PPS units
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100613\Thimisou.720p.[1280x720-29.970].264", insertSEI, contSPS, lang=eng, fps=29.970
A_DTS, "E:\Filmes HD\Thimisou.720p.mkv", track=2, lang=eng, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[08:28:39] Important files missing (clpi/mpls/m2ts)...
[08:28:39] Possible tsMuxeR failure to process your input file (E:\Filmes HD\Thimisou.720p.mkv).
[08:28:39] M2TS (media) file count: 3
[08:28:39] CLPI (clipinfo) file count: 0
[08:28:39] MPLS (playlist) file count: 0

[08:28:39] Skipping to next...

[08:28:39] ERROR: Compilation does not contain any HD-DVD/AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!


[08:28:39] Preparing menu pages...
[08:28:39] Setting main menu for 0 titles...
[08:28:40] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[08:28:43] Preparing AVCHDTN database...
[08:28:44] Database and index created!
[08:28:44] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
===============================================================================
Output size : 2 MiB (0.001 GiB)

[08:28:44] Warnings/errors for this compilation: 1
[08:28:44] E:\Filme_HD_recodificado\AVCHD-20100613-003330 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[08:28:45] Copy E:\Filme_HD_recodificado\AVCHD-20100613-003330 to root of USB stick/disk or MemoryStick card or to X:\PRIVATE\ of SDHC/SD/MMC card and rename to AVCHD!
[08:28:47] You may now remove temp folder (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100613\).

[08:28:47] multiAVCHD finished in 28516.375 seconds (07:55:16.375)!

[08:28:47] End of log.

[sreemv]

Hi Dean,

I understand you said multiAVCHD will not work for PS3 with BD-J authored titles, has this changed or is there a work around? - looking to convert recent bluray titles which appear to be all BD-J authored - would love to re-author these so they can be played untouched with full menus on the PS3.

Thanks again for all your work.

[deank]

BD-J discs don't work in PS3 only when using DVD discs or USB disks. There is no problem with BD25 and BD50. Use BD-Rebuilder to shrink your titles to BD25.

[Beatnut]

Hi dean, i think i have a problem, i converted a mkv to a dvd5 compliant video with 2 folders, audio ts and video ts, i transcoded it with the tools that are build in multiavchd, but i accidentally chose the commentary audiothrack, because i wanted to save space for a higher bitrate,

how do i remove the current audiotrack and replace it with the audio of the movie without encoding the video?

[deank]

hmm...

I think you can import VIDEO_TS folder... multiAVCHD will detect it as DVD.

Open [properties] and replace the audio track.

Click [alter detected properties] and mark the title as (HD)DVD compliant.

Then process it.

[mic]

hmm...

I think you can import VIDEO_TS folder... multiAVCHD will detect it as DVD...

**If** that doesn't work, PGCDemux will give you your separate tracks out of your existing DVD layout, & muxman will create a new DVD layout -- just substitute your *new* audio file for the existing one with the commentary. If you have menus that you want to preserve, VOBBlanker will let you replace your original VOB files with the ones you just created in muxman.

[Beatnut]

is it a problem that it is a DTS audio track?

and btw Mic and dean, option 1 didnt work

mic, Can you explain it a bit further?


how do i remove an audio track from a mkv

it is HD dts, how do i fix this, muxman doesnt support it

[deank]

Did you follow the directions in my previous post?

1) Load this VIDEO_TS folder which multiAVCHD created with the wrong audio
2) Click [properties]
3) Go to [AUDIO] tab and remove the track
4) Click [ADD] to add your proper audio-track. At this point you can even select your MKV. multiAVCHD will use the audio from it. OR you can use mkvextract and extract the DTS audio and then add it as a track.

alter detected properties to avoid transcoding and go on.

multiAVCHD will re-encode DTS audio to AC3, even if it is DTS HD... At least I think so.

//

About what you said about selecting the wrong track to save space/bitrate - have in mind that multiAVCHD will re-encode the audio to AC3 if the bitrate of the detected audio is higher than the value set in subtitles&audio tab for Non-hd audio to AC3 bitrate.

[pio011]

Hi Deank & everyone,

I didn't really follow the discussion about the problems with motion chapter, so forgive me if I'm asking something which has been solved already. But I thought that the problems were solved with the recent update of multiAVCHD - I was wrong...maybe. Last night I tried for the first time to author a BR-Disc with motion chapters. And it failed! Windows gave me an error message, that mx264.exe crashed and has to be closed.
My OS is Win 7 ultimate / 64bit.
I don't know if it helps, but here's a part of the logfile of multiAVCHD - I don't think it's necessary to show the whole log:


[21:24:30] Preparing menu pages...

[21:24:31] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[21:24:31] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[21:31:30] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3]: Chapter page [1/1].
[22:27:46] Error encoding chapter menu page #1 for title #1!
[22:28:02] Failure to mux menu and to create playlist [00601.mpls]
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #1 -> Chapter #1
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #2 -> Chapter #2
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #3 -> Chapter #3
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #4 -> Chapter #4
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #5 -> Chapter #5
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #6 -> Chapter #6
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #7 -> Chapter #7
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #8 -> Chapter #8
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #9 -> Chapter #9
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #10 -> Chapter #10
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #11 -> Chapter #11
[22:28:02] *** User defined thumblink #12 -> Chapter #12
[22:28:02] Error encoding/muxing chapter menu page #1 for title #1!
[22:28:03] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).

[22:28:06] Encoding static XMB menu page [2/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[22:28:06] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[22:33:21] Encoding static XMB menu page [2/3]: Chapter page [1/1].
[22:35:26] Error encoding chapter menu page #1 for title #2!
[22:35:36] Failure to mux menu and to create playlist [00602.mpls]
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #1 -> Chapter #1
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #2 -> Chapter #2
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #3 -> Chapter #3
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #4 -> Chapter #4
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #5 -> Chapter #5
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #6 -> Chapter #6
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #7 -> Chapter #7
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #8 -> Chapter #8
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #9 -> Chapter #9
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #10 -> Chapter #10
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #11 -> Chapter #11
[22:35:36] *** User defined thumblink #12 -> Chapter #12
[22:35:36] Error encoding/muxing chapter menu page #1 for title #2!


So, any help would be great. Thanks in advance!

[deank]

Go to MENU/Extended and set MENU QUALITY to HIGH and try again.

or update...

or use MPEG-2 for menu encoding...

[pio011]

Thanks, I'll test that. But why would it help? :)

[deank]

Because it will use x264.exe and not mx264.exe.

Of course it may make no difference and get x264 crashed because of insufficient memory.

[pio011]

Because it will use x264.exe and not mx264.exe.

Of course it may make no difference and get x264 crashed because of insufficient memory.

Well, I thought 6GB Ram would be enough... :(

[deank]

Right, but neither avisynth or x264 can use more than 2gb.

[flaviometal]

Hi Deank & everyone,

I didn't really follow the discussion about the problems with motion chapter, so forgive me if I'm asking something which has been solved already. But I thought that the problems were solved with the recent update of multiAVCHD - I was wrong...maybe. Last night I tried for the first time to author a BR-Disc with motion chapters. And it failed! Windows gave me an error message, that mx264.exe crashed and has to be closed.
My OS is Win 7 ultimate / 64bit.
I don't know if it helps, but here's a part of the logfile of multiAVCHD - I don't think it's necessary to show the whole log:


Same error with me! The first update that included motion chapters doesn't worked for me. After some one or two updates, the motions problems seems to be solved. But nowwith recent update, that problem is back. Don't know what it is.

EDIT: Trying out with update, Dean! ;)

[deank]

If you mean the update from few mins ago.. it only changes the encoder version (older x264 build - mx264 in tools folder).

If you didn't notice there was an option for menu quality in MENU/Extended. Check what setting you have there.

I posted few days ago that I installed clean win7 with multiAVCHD, avisynth and ffdshow and had motion chapters work. I really don't know what else to do to help with this issue.

You can try to raise the virtual memory of your PC.

You can also try to launch task manager and observe memory usage during menu encoding. Mark the moment when if fails and post back.

I replaced directshow with ffms2 for these 12 videos for motion chapters and the overall memory load decreased to allow proper encoding.

[pio011]

Maybe it helps you, Deank:
I have tried to encode motion chapters / Quality=high. It did not work. But the was no error with the memory! The only error message I got was:
Error:"DEBUG: play 'c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100616\20100616-213220-CM002-01.avs'".

If I press "Yes" it opens some kind of player-window and different windows seem to pop-up and close.
The Log says:
"[21:33:51] Preparing menu pages...

[21:33:51] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[21:33:52] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[21:40:39] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3]: Chapter page [1/1].
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #1 -> Chapter #1
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #2 -> Chapter #2
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #3 -> Chapter #3
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #4 -> Chapter #4
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #5 -> Chapter #5
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #6 -> Chapter #6
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #7 -> Chapter #7
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #8 -> Chapter #8
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #9 -> Chapter #9
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #10 -> Chapter #10
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #11 -> Chapter #11
[21:40:54] *** User defined thumblink #12 -> Chapter #12
[21:40:55] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).

[21:40:58] Encoding static XMB menu page [2/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[21:40:59] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[21:46:22] Encoding static XMB menu page [2/3]: Chapter page [1/1].
[21:46:36] Error encoding chapter menu page #1 for title #2!
[22:07:26] Failure to mux menu and to create playlist [00602.mpls]
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #1 -> Chapter #1
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #2 -> Chapter #2
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #3 -> Chapter #3
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #4 -> Chapter #4
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #5 -> Chapter #5
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #6 -> Chapter #6
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #7 -> Chapter #7
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #8 -> Chapter #8
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #9 -> Chapter #9
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #10 -> Chapter #10
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #11 -> Chapter #11
[22:07:26] *** User defined thumblink #12 -> Chapter #12
[22:07:26] Error encoding/muxing chapter menu page #1 for title #2!
[22:07:27] Encoding static XMB menu page [2/3]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).

[22:07:29] Encoding static XMB menu page [3/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[22:07:30] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
"

[SiC]

I seem to have some problems with Multiavchd 4.1, for some reason it wont detect the chapters of *.mkv files. When I use Multiavchd 3.0, I have no problems but when I try to load the same *.mkv file in 4.1, it doesn't detect the chapters. Is this a known issue? Or is there some setting I can change to correct this?

[mic]

Hi dean, i think i have a problem, i converted a mkv to a dvd5 compliant video with 2 folders, audio ts and video ts, i transcoded it with the tools that are build in multiavchd, but i accidentally chose the commentary audiothrack, because i wanted to save space for a higher bitrate,

how do i remove the current audiotrack and replace it with the audio of the movie without encoding the video?

is it a problem that it is a DTS audio track?
and btw Mic and dean, option 1 didnt work
mic, Can you explain it a bit further?
how do i remove an audio track from a mkv
it is HD dts, how do i fix this, muxman doesnt support it

With a DVD spec layout, using VIDEO_TS & [opt.] AUDIO_TS folders, you'll normally have AC3 audio & mpg2 video... regular DTS was possible, appeared on some retail DVDs, but I've never seen or played with DVD software that worked with or handled it, though software obviously exists. :p AFAIK [could be wrong] playback of HD DTS on/in a video DVD would really depend on your player -- I've never seen it on a DVD, but it possible some player **might** play it.

Re-encoding/transcoding HD DTS can be a PITA IMHO, so it might be easier assuming you've got a DVD spec layout, to pull the mpg2 video multiAVCHD encoded for you out of the DVD's VOB files using PGCDemux or similar, & then feeding that to multiAVCHD along with your HD DTS track. But **Only** if Dean's method didn't work.

RE: the VobBlanker method, which I wouldn't recommend as 1st choice, you open a DVD layout [on hdd or disc], select the title video you want to work with from the list in the upper window, select the PGC that you want to replace VOB files for in the lower window, click the replace button just to the right, & browse to the replacing DVD layout, selecting the VOB file set you want to use.

What that's good for is when you have a menu-based DVD layout, & want to add/replace a track, & can't do it any other way, for example your DVD authoring software won't take subs, or if you have problems importing the video your authoring app encoded. In those cases VobBlanker normally does a pretty fair job of just swapping out the VOB files for a new set containing whatever tracks you wish to use.

[flaviometal]

Dean, a request: what about chapters menu with chapter names instead thumbs for music videos?

EDIT: OR, I can use a simple Title List instead chapter menu, and set this Title List as chapter menu link. Sorry! ;)

[deank]

Couple of things in the last update:

* Poster frame field in title [properties] now accepts values in 4 formats:

ssss.ms
hh:mm:ss
hh:mm:ss:fr (exactly 2 digits after the colon : sign) (frames 00 / fps-1) (00 to 23 for 23.976 and 24.000 sources for example)
hh:mm:ss.mls (exactly 3 digits after the dot . sign) (milliseconds 000 / 999)

The value will always be converted to seconds.ms.

Valid examples:

1234.56 or 1234.567 or 1234
01:02:03
01:02:03:04 (but not 01:02:03:8)
01:02:03.567 (but not 01:02:03.56 or 01:02:03.5)

* Fixed: Opening title properties with poster-frame already set, displayed wrong preview (calculation error)

* Added: Option to create time-lapse image slideshow when importing JPG/PNG/BMP images. The difference is that "Picture still duration" can take hidden (negative) values to indicate still duration in FRAMES, allowing the user to create time-lapse (one picture per frame):

1) Set TV System in AUTHOR tab: NTSC will use 23.976fps, PAL/PAL 24p will use 25fps
2) Load you picture folder

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_slideshow_props.jpg

3) Select "Transition effects: [none]"
4) Select "[-] Randomize picture order" (unticked)
5) Set desired resolution

and most important:

6) Picture still duration: 0 <-- using zero will make multiAVCHD generate 1 frame per picture

This option has hidden features:

Using value of 0 or -1 will get you 1 frame per picture.
Using values <-1 will get you abs() frames per picture.

For example using -2 will get you 2 frames per picture.

7) Set "Number of pictures per title:' to the total number of your still pictures (or use 0).

I did a quick test and I got 797 pictures in NTSC converted to 33 seconds of video @24fps (with 0 option, 1 frames per pic)

[12:54:01] *** [AVS] Detecting script properties [Picture slideshow (797 pictures)[MAVCPSS-001].avs]...
[12:58:52] *** [AVS] Video: 720x480 @ 23.976fps, Duration: [00:00:33.279]
[12:58:52] [TRANSCODE]: Title#01 4000 kbps, 720x480 -> 720x480

You can set the bitrate and all for picture-to-video-encoding in the [transcode] window. Importing so many pictures via avisynth may be time/CPU consuming. On my laptop it took ~20 mins for import+detection+encoding to get these 33 seconds of video.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

@deank;
I am having a problem using create motion title thumbnail. I have 10 .m2ts media files, to create a BD5 AVCHD, and have a 59 second .m2ts menu file.
When I select Main Menu Preview with Create Motion Title thumbnail selected, nothing happens, no preview. If I deselect Create Motion Title thumbnail, then the menu preview is displayed, but then no motion title thumbnails.
If I try to run the project anyway, I get an .avs error during the .XMB motion title thumbnail encoding stage. :confused:
What am I missing?

[deank]

What is the avs error? Is the menu .m2ts file AVC/H.264? The duration of these m2ts files is > than 1 min, right?

Can you preview the chapter or setup pages and then click [main] and then 'Actual preview...'?

[Capsbackup]

Well I have tried .m2ts and .ts, created/reencoded with UncropMKV and MeGui from an original Bluray VC1 file, that is 59 seconds long.
I have no chapter or setup pages, only motion title thumbnails. If I unselect the create motion title thumbnail check box, I then get to view the main menu, but with just the blue thumbnail colors for the thumbnails. When create motion title thumbnail check box is selected, no more preview!
The error occurs only if I continue to create a bluray, after the tsMuxeR stage at the beginning of the encode XMB motion menu stage for the first of 10 thumbnails. It asks me to continue and notify the author, which I do, and then does the same for the next motion title thumbnail, etc..
I tried to run the project just to see if it would work without giving the menu preview, but not so!

[deank]

It asks that you play the AVS file - check the error and THEN YOU report it to me. :) multiAVCHD reports nothing to me. :)

While at the prompt, try to play the AVS with MPC for example. WHen you click [yes] multiAVCHD tries to play the avs with mplayer. If it doesn't start or quickly closes it means a serious problem.

I haven't changed anything about motion menu generation, so it must be something specific to the background video m2ts file.

[Capsbackup]

I said yes to report it to you! :)
From the log:
[07:46:02] Preparing menu pages...

[07:46:03] Encoding motion XMB menu page [1/10] [Motion title thumbnail].
[07:46:07] Error encoding main menu page #1!
[07:46:51] Final output may be corrupted!
[07:46:51] Trying to use TITLE-LIST menu as main menu...

[07:46:52] Encoding motion XMB menu page [2/10] [Motion title thumbnail].
[07:46:55] Error encoding main menu page #2!

[07:47:27] Encoding motion XMB menu page [3/10] [Motion title thumbnail].
[07:47:31] Error encoding main menu page #3!

[deank]

Well.. may be I'll need to rephrase myself in that error-box message. multiAVCHD doesn't ever ever send anything anywhere anyway.

When you get the error prompt, don't click yes or now. Copy/paste the path to the menu .avs file and try to play it with MPC to see what error you will get.

[Capsbackup]

Ok, will run it again.
Interesting, I have now tried several different menu files, and none will show a preview, but the menu will display only if motion title thumbnail is deselected! :confused:

Side note:
I remember reading about the 30-32 second delay when choosing real time preview of menu. I experience this when it worked fine yesterday.
Is there any coincidence?
What is the proper way to correct this delay, or is there one?

[Capsbackup]

The error;

DEBUB: play 'c:\multiAVCHD_TMP\multitemp-20100618\20100618-084540-MM001.avs'
[and report the error to the author]
Yes No

AVS error : ConvertFPS: New frame rate too small. Must be greater than 279.3257. Increase or use 'zone='
(c:\multiAVCHD_TMP\multitemp-20100618\20100618-084540-MM001.avs, line 34)

[deank]

The delay is unrelated to the 'actual preview'. multiAVCHD uses avsinfo.exe tool for most of the things now, so you may have to allow its use in ffdshow, but for motion menu preview mplayer is used.

[deank]

AVS error : ConvertFPS: New frame rate too small. Must be greater than 279.3257. Increase or use 'zone='
(c:\multiAVCHD_TMP\multitemp-20100618\20100618-084540-MM001.avs, line 34)

What is the actual framerate of this bg video?

It seems that directshow can't properly decode it. It looks like it is detected as 600fps...

If you just started experiencing such troubles it means something has changed on your end. As I said - there are no changes in multiAVCHD for motion menu for at least one month (and even more).

[Capsbackup]

deank, I used multiAVCHD yesterday to make a BD25 of Life, 11 episodes total with motion title thumbnails, and it worked perfectly. I burned to BD-RE and all is well!
Today I am trying to put the extras on a BD5, approx. 110 minutes plus this same menu/.m2ts file. When I started the program today, I did allow the latest update, but have not done anything else but import the newly encoded extras into a new project, but I am using the same motion menu file that worked yesterday!

From Mediainfo:

General
ID : 1
Complete name : G:\Life Extras\Life Extras Menu.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 33.5 MiB
Duration : 59s 809ms
Overall bit rate : 4 697 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Duration : 59s 759ms
Bit rate : 4 054 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 4 000 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.065
Stream size : 28.9 MiB (86%)
Writing library : x264 core 98 r1643 59a9e03
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=tff / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / weightp=0 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=31 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=14000 / vbv_bufsize=14500 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 / nal_hrd=vbr
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 59s 808ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 3.19 MiB (10%)
Language : English

[deank]

I guess there is something with these 'extras', because the motion thumbnail is extracted from the title m2ts file.

It has nothing to do with the update from today.

At the moment the prompt appears there are AT*****.MTS files in TEMP folder. These are the cuts used for motion thumbnail. Check their info with media info. Also what is the exact content of the line with the error in the AVS file? There should be some 'changeFPS', too...

[Capsbackup]

The exact MPC/AVS error is what I included before. That error was directly from MPC.
Media Info from one reencoded extra:

General
ID : 1
Complete name : D:\Life Extras\D100003 The Making of Challenges of Life.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 434 MiB
Duration : 11mn 3s
Overall bit rate : 5 487 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Duration : 11mn 3s
Bit rate : 4 807 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 4 600 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.097
Stream size : 380 MiB (88%)
Writing library : x264 core 98 r1643 59a9e03
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / weightp=0 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=24 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4600 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=14000 / vbv_bufsize=14500 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 / nal_hrd=vbr
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 11mn 3s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 35.5 MiB (8%)
Language : English

Text #1
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Video delay : 6s 632ms
Language : English

Text #2
ID : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Video delay : 125ms
Language : French

Text #3
ID : 4610 (0x1202)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Video delay : 125ms
Language : Spanish

[deank]

AVS error : ConvertFPS: New frame rate too small. Must be greater than 279.3257. Increase or use 'zone='
(c:\multiAVCHD_TMP\multitemp-20100618\20100618-084540-MM001.avs, line 34)

My question was what is the content of LINE 34 in the .avs file. You can open it with notepad.

I really have no idea what is wrong here.

[Capsbackup]

My question was what is the content of LINE 34 in the .avs file. You can open it with notepad.

I really have no idea what is wrong here.

Sorry, I deleted it and was going to start over and try again.
Rebooted into Windows XP Pro to see if things were any different than in Win 7, but no luck, same exact experience! :(
So now I am SOL! :p
I have no idea what could have happened either.
As long as I don't use motion title thumbnails, the preview menu displays. If I select it, no display. :confused:
I guess it is time to take a break. :rolleyes:

[deank]

Okay... have in mind that you can also send me the contents of the .avs script found in .\templates\temp

when doing the preview with the motion thumb. No need to start a compilation.

You should have 2 files there... I think. :p

[Capsbackup]

I may have found something related to my problem. My successful attempt yesterday for the episodes of Life were all created with BD-RB using movie only mode, custom size and selecting the alternate playlist for each episode.
I imported those .m2ts files into multiAVCHD, and all worked perfectly. :)
The extras were encoded using MeGui, AVCHD BD5/9 profile.
So for a test, I just encoded three of the extras with uncropMKV, imported those into a new project, used my same menu .m2ts, and the three motion title thumbnails/preview now work! :)
Perhaps MeGui's AVCHD profile or something within the reencode using MeGui is at fault!
I am now reencoding the rest of the extras using uncropMKV and will try all those new files into a new project.
I will let you know, and hopefully, with your help, have discovered the problem! :cool:

[deank]

Ok, thanks Caps for the update.

I hope you're using uncropMKV 1.55. :)

Also don't forget that you can reencode all the extras with multiAVCHD, too. There is no need for this 2-step process. Just mark all for transcoding and let multiAVCHD do its job.

[bc55]

Hi guys,

please excuse me for being the total nube here ;-)

I only got a BD writer yesterday, and have started using MultiAVCHD today.

No probs so far on the creation itself, but a strange issue ( to me ) upon burning with IMGBurn.

I selected for MultiAVCHD to create a BD-R structure, and it proceeded as expected, result was 24.292GB. When I put a BD-RE into my LG writer, after formatting, it gave me a size mismatch warning ( only 12.219.312 sectors on media ), which I confirmed. It's presently burning, and I'll see whether it works or not, but I would have expected the output size to be exactly, or a bit under the size of a BD-R disc.

Do I have to adapt something in the settings for this ?

Cheers

BC55

[deank]

I can't really help with this one. Some folks posted that doing FULL format of the BD-RE will give some more space, but someone with more experience will have to join.

[Capsbackup]

Ok, thanks Caps for the update.

I hope you're using uncropMKV 1.55. :)

Also don't forget that you can reencode all the extras with multiAVCHD, too. There is no need for this 2-step process. Just mark all for transcoding and let multiAVCHD do its job.

Darn, using 1.51. Oh well, will update later.
Presently doing each file individually with uncropMKV, then importing into multiAVCHD. I was just trying a few files first to see if that was the problem, then just continued on from there. But that is good to know! I can try that next time. :)

[bc55]

I can't really help with this one. Some folks posted that doing FULL format of the BD-RE will give some more space, but someone with more experience will have to join.

Hi,

thanks for replying so quickly.

Awesome tool, man !

Are you yourself aware of a discrepancy between BD-R and BD-RE size(s) in terms of storage space ?

Perhaps in a future update, you could make the target size adjustable ( in blocks perhaps, like IMGBUrn reports ) ?!

Cheers

BC55

[deank]

Darn, using 1.51. Oh well, will update later.

1.51 is okay. 1.55 changes some options like no more than 3 bframes and ref-frames are strictly according to standard (+preview when you drag the preview-slider).

If you use 3 b-frames and 4 ref frames (or 3 as default) - all should be okay.

It's getting harder to keep up with all these tools updates. :(

Btw, uncropMKV latest executable is always available here (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/uncropMKV.exe). The same goes for goSUP, easySUP, multiAVCHD, goBD. :)

Dean

[deank]

Are you yourself aware of a discrepancy between BD-R and BD-RE size(s) in terms of storage space ?

Perhaps in a future update, you could make the target size adjustable ( in blocks perhaps, like IMGBUrn reports ) ?!

I never burned a single BD-R/RE in my life. I share the info I got from numerous posts about capacity differences between BD-R and properly formatted BD-RE.

multiAVCHD sizes are set for BD-R. I don't think I'll change that. Just format your rewritable properly and you'll get what you need. :p

[bc55]

I never burned a single BD-R/RE in my life. I share the info I got from numerous posts about capacity differences between BD-R and properly formatted BD-RE.

multiAVCHD sizes are set for BD-R. I don't think I'll change that. Just format your rewritable properly and you'll get what you need. :p

Ah.

Actually, IMGBurn formatted it automatically itself .....

I'll run a few tests.

EDIT :

Tests done. The actual, useable size on a BD-R is NOT identical to that of a standard Blu Ray disc. In fact, it is less. On paper, indeed, a BD-25 has 25 GB / 23866 MiB / 25025314816 B capacity. A BD-R has about 5% less. The image that MultiAVCHD creates is 24.877MiB ( in fact, LARGER than the standard Blu Ray capacity ), and the space on the BD-R is 23.570MiB.

So, I guess the size is too large for the destination media ..... would be a shame to not be able to use your great tool because of a technical issue .....

[deank]

Well.. multiAVCHD doesn't do 100% accurate final size prediction. I'd want to allow for at least 5% (-) margin.

[bc55]

Well.. multiAVCHD doesn't do 100% accurate final size prediction. I'd want to allow for at least 5% (-) margin.

Hm.

In the AUTHOR Tab under GENERAL, if I change the transcode media fit to 23500, will that have ANY effect on the re4sulting AVCHD size if I select Blu Ray as the output format ?!

Will selecting AVCHD change the preset size values ?!

I'm just grasping for straws here, it's frustrating to have a brilliant quality AVCHD folder all done, and it won't fit on any BD-R media because of a few hundred MiBs ..... :thanks:

[deank]

Unless you're transcoding the video - it won't make any difference. You can try to [TRIM END] in [PROPERTIES] and cut few mins from the video.

[Capsbackup]

:) Success! :thanks:
MultiAVCHD works again. :p
Maybe I should have listened to you long ago and tried uncropMKV. :o Could have saved quite some time on this one!
So it appears MeGui's DVD5/9 profile encodes are not compatible with multiAVCHD motion menu thumbnails.
Thanks again deank, for helping me through this one!

[deank]

uncropMKV is unpretentious little tool.

It uses proper/compliant options for h.264/avc encoding with x264. BD-Rebuilder uses compliant options, too, and multiAVCHD as well. :cool:

[insaneoctane]

Okay. So I've got at least 5 avchd movies that are vc1 based that are causing me trouble and if like suggestions how to bring them into compliance so mavchd can deal with them. History is simple, they came from blu ray and have only been processed in tsmuxer. I can not play any of the stream files on my machine (mpc says can not render file). If I send ONE of the ts files back through tsmuxer and output as avchd then I have a playable file. But, if I try to send them all through and join them I get an unplayable file! I'm trying to compare the two identical streams and understand why one is playable and one is not, but they appear the same. Any suggestions?

[bc55]

Unless you're transcoding the video - it won't make any difference. You can try to [TRIM END] in [PROPERTIES] and cut few mins from the video.


Hi Dean,

thanks for replying so quickly to my questions.

OK, you might go "duh" now, but I believe I might have misconceived how MultiAVCHD works.

I merely assumed it would automatically downsize any content to fit a standard BD-R media, thus re-encoding it.

In fact, to my shame, I now believe it might have been just me selecting too much content to fit on the BD-R. :stupid:

Am I right.

So, if I select onlt 4GiB of material, the resulting AVCHD will only be 4 GiB ?!??!

Cheers

BC55

[deank]

If the source is m2ts file - yes - the output will be the same in size as the input. With other files/containers there will be some overhead and you'll end up with bigger output.

[bc55]

If the source is m2ts file - yes - the output will be the same in size as the input. With other files/containers there will be some overhead and you'll end up with bigger output.

The source files were MKVs. 11 of them, 2GiB each.

I'll try today if leaving one off will significantly reduce the resulting AVCHD size.

Cheers

BC55

[deank]

With MKV files you'll generally get about 6-10% bigger output, but multiAVCHD shows that in [Estimated output] message at the lower part of the application window. Not always accurate but give you the idea.

[bc55]

With MKV files you'll generally get about 6-10% bigger output, but multiAVCHD shows that in [Estimated output] message at the lower part of the application window. Not always accurate but give you the idea.

OK.

I'll get back to you when I have some more results.

Thanks

BC55

[pio011]

Okay, let's get back to finding the problem with those nasty little "motion chapters" :devil:

Here's my current state of things: Everything is fine: mAvchd prepares the menu and extracts the short m2ts clips for the motion chapters (they work and are stored in the Temp-Folders). This takes some time. But then it crashes with with no real error message but asks for "debugging/Playing" the .avs script. I have tested the script with other videoplayers (e.g. Zoomplayer): The script does not really play, maybe only 1-sec: You see the chapter menu, but no "motion". I suspect that it would take forever to play just from the script, because the motion chapters/motion chapter menue has not been encoded yet and I suppose it's very complicated - so, that the script is not playing properly can't be the problem, is it? I mean, the script says: Ok, this is the menu background and here are the sources (clips) for the motion thumnails, now, encode them as one. I don't think that just playing the script gives you the idea of what is wrong. And funny is, that after one second of playing the script, the picture "freezes" - or - if you tell mAvchd "yes" to play it with m-player - the whole thing crashes.

Here's an extract of the mAVCHD log:

[20:11:11] Preparing menu pages...

[20:11:11] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3] [Static title thumbnail].
[20:11:12] Extracting motion chapters for page #1...
[20:18:22] Encoding static XMB menu page [1/3]: Chapter page [1/1].
[20:18:38] Error encoding chapter menu page #1 for title #1!
[09:41:36] Failure to mux menu and to create playlist [00601.mpls]

Of course, mAVCHD crashed and is not able to mux menu, because the video/backkground for the chaptermenu has not been created! There must be something with the script or with the things it needs/does or with my settings.

So Dean, please help! Am I totally wrong with my conclusions? Or what is actually my problem:)
OR I have CoreAVC as a decoder installed - maybe is this the problem?

[BZeeme]

pio011, I've tried many tests to get "motion chapters" working. On my Vista 32 bit system, if the number of chapters is 9 or less, it's processes properly. With 10 or more, error! With 9 or less working, it seems unlikely that it is a bug in multiAVCHD. Try fewer chapters on your system as a test.

Dean, I hope I'm not being pushy - just jogging your memory
from multiForum:

One bug I noticed when they do work: Thumbnail A shows video of chapter A when thumbnail A is linked to chapter B - but the link works. i.e. If thumbnail 3 is linked to chapter 7, thumbnail 3 shows video of chapter 3. If I click thumbnail 3, chapter 7 is played.

Yes, the links are honored but video is not extracted from the proper link... I'll see about that.

[deank]

:) ok.

[mic]

Hi

I have a problem with chapter marks when converting HD-DVD to AVCHD. Chapter positions are not correct. I have reported the problem in the eac3to thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1405537#post1405537
As I explained, chapter jumps lead to positions before the real position, and the difference is bigger on the last chapters.

Could it be something wrong in multiAVCHD ?

See there's a new version of eac3to out -- "* fixed: HD DVD chapter times were wrong by 3.6 seconds per hour"

[mic]

Okay. So I've got at least 5 avchd movies that are vc1 based that are causing me trouble and if like suggestions how to bring them into compliance so mavchd can deal with them. History is simple, they came from blu ray and have only been processed in tsmuxer. I can not play any of the stream files on my machine (mpc says can not render file). If I send ONE of the ts files back through tsmuxer and output as avchd then I have a playable file. But, if I try to send them all through and join them I get an unplayable file! I'm trying to compare the two identical streams and understand why one is playable and one is not, but they appear the same. Any suggestions?

I am very new to avchd & bd, so not sure if this will be helpful or not...

Mpeg2, vc1, & AVC afaik can have file headers written differently or containing different amounts of info, plus while it doesn't sound like your prob., the file name extension matters sometimes. At any rate, in my limited experience with VC1 I've passed them thru multiAVCHD untouched without problems, even though I couldn't play the file by itself, & got a disc that played everywhere just fine. I've also used a [less known?] app called VC12avi -- it produces segmented avi files that contain the vc1 & are playable, but you have to put the avi's together with v/dubmod or similar or else deal with several files. Or you can get mkv out of BluRip or HdBrStreamExtractor, which should be playable -- just different apps favor either avi or mkv. There's also a method of using a saved graphedit graph in an AviSynth script, that surprisingly [for me at least] works OK [found that tidbit somewhere in the doom9 or videohelp forums, but can't remember where :-( ]

Otherwise, ffdshow is required for me to handle vc1 in most cases, though it's handling of vc1 can have conflicts with Vegas 9 on this rig. Downloading/Registering the Microsoft file: vc1esparser.dll was also necessary for some software.

[Guest]

Mpeg2, vc1, & AVC afaik can have file headers written differently or containing different amounts of info AVCHD streams do not have "file headers" at all. That is what makes them streams.

[mic]

AVCHD streams do not have "file headers" at all. That is what makes them streams.

Sorry -- I've likely got the terminology wrong trying to very quickly & simply, in plain English say these types of video files can hold different data, yet hold the same video content. Perhaps you can to explain it better? :thanks:

The best I can do is still too detailed IMHO -- after all I only wanted to hint at why insaneoctane got those results -- & should rightly be ignored by everyone else as it serves no useful purpose...

In my experience you can have an AVC [or mpg2, vc1 etc] file, pass it thru an app where it is not re-encoded, & the result will then play or import or otherwise become usable in software where the original was not, e.g. If I remember correctly deank mentioned in a post that multiAVCHD forced a mod of non-re-encoded AVC files for better compliance.

When that sort of thing happens the data that's in the file *besides* the video content itself is I'd assume changed -- the video content doesn't change, so there has to be something else there, right? :p I mean look at what mediainfo reports on X264 encoded files -- there's info at the end of the report that as I understand it from the docs is both variable & optional yet is in the file somewhere. :)

[flaviometal]

pio011, I've tried many tests to get "motion chapters" working. On my Vista 32 bit system, if the number of chapters is 9 or less, it's processes properly. With 10 or more, error! With 9 or less working, it seems unlikely that it is a bug in multiAVCHD. Try fewer chapters on your system as a test.

Same with me here, no motion chapters at all yet! With > 10 chapters, doesn't works! I'm with Win7 64.

[deank]

Are you sure you have the same avisynth version posted in the 1st post of this thread?

When I run Version.avs from avisynth folder (start/programs/avisynth) I get:

AviSynth 2.58, build: Dec 22 2008 [08:46:51]
(c) 2000-2007 Ben Rudiak-Gould, et al.
http:/www.avisynth.org

[Capsbackup]

deank;
slightly off subject, but was wondering if a custom Avisynth script can be used with multiAVCHD or uncropMKV to reencode a HD .ts files to compatible AVCHD?
Occasionally, I will record an OTA TV show with my HD DVR, then using CAPDVHS and firewire, record the file thru my CPU to a .ts file on my hard drive.
Typical file properties are: 1080i, 29.97fps, 10-13GB size.
I have been using MeGui with DGIndex, and using this typical Avisynth script to reencode to BD5 a pretty nice looking 1080P movie:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\megui\tools\dgindex\DGDecode.dll")
DGDecode_mpeg2source("D:\Movie\Movie.d2v", info=3)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\megui\tools\avisynth_plugin\ColorMatrix.dll")
ColorMatrix(hints=true, interlaced=true, threads=0)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\megui\tools\avisynth_plugin\TIVTC.dll")
tfm(order=1).tdecimate()

This does work fine for me, but does your program allow the option to do the same?

[deank]

Of course. Load the avisynth script in multiAVCHD. If it has audio it will be used. If not - load the .ts file as [audio]/[add] in [properties] to use the original audio (better).

:)

// edit: uncropMKV does not support avisynth input - only multiAVCHD.

[Capsbackup]

Of course. Load the avisynth script in multiAVCHD. If it has audio it will be used. If not - load the .ts file as [audio]/[add] in [properties] to use the original audio (better).

:)

// edit: uncropMKV does not support avisynth input - only multiAVCHD.

Great! I will try it out soon. :)
No templates or profiles are necessary with multiAVCHD?
Just my custom Avisynth script?
Will it just produce a compliant BD/AVCHD file for me? :cool:

[deank]

Of course :cool:

multiAVCHD will handle the avisynth script as is (unless it needs un-cropping or if you apply sharpen/framerate-change). It will treat it as regular video file and during encoding will use compliant x264 parameters to achieve compliance.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

Thanks deank. :)
I will be trying it out on my next backup. :thanks:

[pio011]

Same with me here, no motion chapters at all yet! With > 10 chapters, doesn't works! I'm with Win7 64.

It tried it - did not work with 10 and 9 Chapters - failed. But debugging it seemed to work a little bit: The avs played some seconds with motion chapters.

How do I now figure out what the error actually is? There's no error message shown, just that the encoding and muxing failed. So please, Deank, can you help me?

[deank]

No, I can't.

The best thing I could do was to install Win7 on a brand new average PC and try it. It worked. 12 motion chapters require about 1.6GB of free (non segmented) physical memory but I got it working at last.

If it fails - the error is usually with avisynth or/and x264 reporting "RUNNING OUT OF MEMORY".

I shared that I was surprised that my laptop with 2GB RAM dealed with the motion chapters and 3GB desktop win7 broke with error during encoding.

The things I suggest is to increase virtual memory (swap file) for your PC and use the version of avisynth from the 1st post.

There is really nothing more I can do at the moment (unless I find another PC to do a clean install).

Dean

[pio011]

If it fails - the error is usually with avisynth or/and x264 reporting "RUNNING OUT OF MEMORY".
Dean

But that is my problem: There's no error reported! So how am I supposed to know, why it fails? Or am I overlooking something? :confused:

The things I suggest is to increase virtual memory (swap file) for your PC and use the version of avisynth from the 1st post.

I use the avisynth version you suggested. Ok, I will try to increase the virtual memory. At the Moment it is at 6134MB. Any suggestions of how much I should increase? Thanks!

[bc55]

OK.

I'll get back to you when I have some more results.

Thanks

BC55

Hi Dean !

Well, what can I say - I selected roughly 22GiB of material and let MultiAVCHD run its course, and bingo, worked like a charm.

Burned the result onto a BD-R ( with room to spare ) @ 2x speed, and voilá, it's done.

Great stuff !!!!!

Now I just need to get into making the menu look different .....

Cheers

BC55

PS : I've dabbled into the properties of the individual files, and let MultiAVCHD create automatic chapters, but when I leave, they disappear ?! I klicked a SAVE button, but it asked me to save a file, and I don't know how to incorporate that into my project later. Do I have to do that for every clip ? Is there a general button to simply create X number of chapters for each file, or create a chapter every X minutes for all the files in my project ?

[deank]

If you leave with [OK] they won't disappear. You can create any number of chapters using the [auto] button in [chapters] tab in [properties].

[deank]

Panasonic 3D Blu-ray Demo Disc - Anaglyph version - multiAVCHD 4.2 (pre) (suitable for DVD5, DVD9, BD-R, Playstation 3 DVD playback - can be converted with AVCHD Manager for PS3 USB playback)

800MB torrent (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/Panasonic.Blu-ray.3D.Demo.Disc.multiAVCHD.[anaglyph].torrent)download link.

Motion 3D menu background, original audio, motion 3D chapter thumbnails, motion 3D title-thumbnail.

RED / CYAN glasses required to view in 3D.

***

Panasonic 3D Blu-ray Demo Disc - Anaglyph version - multiAVCHD 4.2 (pre) (suitable for SDHC card / Playstation 3 USB/SDHC playback) (no menu)

450MB torrent (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/Panasonic.Blu-ray.3D.Demo.Disc.multiAVCHD.[anaglyph].[SDHC].[PAL].torrent)SDHC PAL download link.

450MB torrent (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/Panasonic.Blu-ray.3D.Demo.Disc.multiAVCHD.[anaglyph].[SDHC].[NTSC].torrent)SDHC NTSC download link.

***

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_03.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_00.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_01.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_02.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_main.jpg

[colinhunt]

Support for MVC 3D streams...?

[deank]

Yes, it uses a plugin for AviSynth, which decodes the right-eye. The links/screenshot above are for full 3D to 3D-anaglyph (red/cyan) conversion.

[bluestarCVO]

Hello all. I just got a new blu-ray burner and am trying to burn my mts files from my Canon HF200 to a bluray disc for the first time. I have been successful numerous times in creating an AVCHD DVD, but have been unable to do so with a bluray. My attempt earlier today failed. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
After clickng start, should I still be selecting AVCHD output and just burning to bluray instead of DVD, or should I be selecting bluray output now (that is what I selected with my earlier failed attempt). Thanks for any help or advice!

[deank]

If AVCHD relaxed worked for you - use it.

What is the player that failed?

What burning program did you use?

[bluestarCVO]

Thanks for the quick reply. I used imgburn for the burn. The player is a samsung bdp2500. When I insert the disc it acts like it is loading the disc, and I get the "menu" message on the display of the Samsung, but it never goes past that. Just continues to act as if it is trying to load the menu. Now that I thought about it, I will go try it on the ps3.
I have yet to test the avchd output and burn to bluray.

[bluestarCVO]

Update: after playing around with the disc from earlier, I was able to get it to play, it just won't show the top menu ever. All I get is a black screen. I had tried to author it with a slide menu. This disc does include 50+ mts files.
After further messing around I was able to get the thumbnail menu to display. It will just never display the top menu and the disc always loads to a black screen.

Edit: that was all with the ps3. Still unable to get it to do anything on the samsung.

[MrVideo]

BD-RB's should be okay. multiAVCHD recommends these:

http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

On that page there are the following two links:

multiAVCHD:
*** http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/download/

multiAVCHD DAT file only:
*** http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/datupdate/

Both report to a file with exactly the same filename. Why the same filename and what is the difference?

[MrVideo]

You really don't have much of a choice and you can't get the same clarity after the conversion. The only option is 23.976 (pull-down will be applied afterwards). Try it and see the result for yourself.

480p23.976? Uggh! The best conversion for 1080p60 (59.94) is 480i29.97. And that would be accomplished by taking 1/2 the source frame to make the first field and then taking 1/2 the source of the next frame (other set of lines) to create the other field.

You keep the 59.94 Hz motion, but at reduced vertical resolution, a result of going to 480 from 1080 and 240 lines per field.

There has to be an AVIsynth script/function to accomplish that.

One thing is for sure, you are right in that the DVD version of the 1080p60 source is going to look like crap, compared to the original.

Even if converted to Blu-ray, 1080p60 is not in the spec. The closest is 1080i29.97 (59.94 fields/sec). I've no idea if some Blu-ray players will play 1080p60 anyway.

[MrVideo]

AFAIK [could be wrong] playback of HD DTS on/in a video DVD would really depend on your player -- I've never seen it on a DVD, but it possible some player **might** play it.

Don't expect any DVD player to handle HD-DTS, period. Not in the spec. Need to have AC3, or PCM, audio track on a DVD.

A DVD player can't even pass the HD-DTS through the optical link as the bitrate is too high. Only normal AC3 and DTS can be passed through the optical link to an amp.

[MrVideo]

Many posts back (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1406716&postcount=5809) a nice set of instructions were provided for installation. Since I followed the other set of instructions, I uninstalled ffdshow and Haali. No need to uninstall avisynth.

In any event, the Haali version shown is 1.9.42.1 and the version I have is 1.10.175.0, resulting in a different set of options. I'm assuming that you are after the MPEG-PS getting set.

Is the latest Haali good enough, or must the older version be used?

The ffdshow I installed is also the latest beta. Good enough, or must we use the version you have linked?

[insaneoctane]

Dean,
Seems you've fixed something, because now MAVCHD will create a project using a video file that my system can't playback! (MPC says "can't reneder file"). What's strange, is that I was troubleshooting things and I noticed that MAVCHD was running my file through tsmuxer (don't know why), but the output was playable on my PC, but the source wasn't. The only difference I can tell has to do with the audio delay in the source was -140ms and in the output was 0. Here is the mediainfo from the source (won't play on PC - "can't render file") and the mediainfo from the output after MAVCHD created the project (I'll include the log file to). Why is MAVCHD running the file through tsmuxer?

MEDIAINFO of SOURCE (hp_nowork_mediainfo.txt)
MEDIAINFO of OUTPUT (hp_nowork_fixed_mediainfo.txt)
LOG of PROJECT (20100620-231326-multiAVCHD.log.txt)

[colinhunt]

Yes, it uses a plugin for AviSynth, which decodes the right-eye. The links/screenshot above are for full 3D to 3D-anaglyph (red/cyan) conversion.
Nice work - although I'm 100% against any and all support for anaglyph 3D. Now that we've finally managed to come up with a (much) better 3D implementation, the last thing we should do is go back to anaglyph crap. You know?

[deank]

Yes, but since I got the latest 50" Neo PDP plasma from Panasonic just a week before they introduced the 3D sets I doubt that I'll get a 3D set in the next 12-15 months, so I'll use anaglyph. Sad, really, but...

***

Build 757 got some features about 3D:

During playlist import, if multiAVCHD detects 3D streams it will report in the log:

[17:13:19] *** Scanning playlist (00018.mpls). Please wait...
[17:13:20] *** Detected 3D stream : 00024.m2ts
[17:13:20] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 2.0 (2 entries)
[17:13:20] *** Detected main-path : [00:00:02.000]
[17:13:21] *** Detected media file: [00023.m2ts, 00:02:38.538] (655 MiB)
[17:13:22] *** Detected media file: [00063.m2ts, 00:00:00.000] (0 MiB)
[17:13:22] *** Detected sub-path #: [ID#000, IN: 00:00:02.000] [IGS]
[17:13:22] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:02:38.449
[17:13:22] *** Playlist duration : 00:02:38 (655 MiB)

And if you decide to transcode the title, you'll get an option in [TRANSCODE]: [Create 3D anaglyph]

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/multiAVCHD_4.2_3D_002.jpg

and during transcode you'll see some info about processing the streams...

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/multiAVCHD_4.2_3D_001.jpg


///

[I]Full download required to use the feature, because of eac3to updated version and avisynth H264StereoSource.dll plug-in in tools folder.

Dean

[colinhunt]

Yes, but since I got the latest 50" Neo PDP plasma from Panasonic just a week before they introduced the 3D sets I doubt that I'll get a 3D set in the next 12-15 months, so I'll use anaglyph.
Ouch, your timing sucks! :) No, I'm kidding, that's rotten luck. On the other hand you can now skip the 1st generation 3D sets and save your money for the 2nd generation.

[deank]

Just a quick update...

Some changes were required to get the anaglyph encoding working for SD-DVD with HCenc.

So it is now possible to convert 3D titles to SD-DVD, too (using only HCenc 1 pass or 2 pass). It won't work with QuEnc or lavc for the moment.

[18:22:14] Detected resolution: 1920x1080
[18:22:14] Detected video: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC (TID#4113)
[18:22:14] Only this video track will be used!
[18:22:14] Detected media file: 00001.m2ts
[18:22:14] Detected main PI#000: 00001.m2ts, Duration: [00:00:08.842], [PTS: 00:00:02.000 / 00:00:10.842]
[18:22:14] Using audio: A_DTS (ID#4352 / language: eng / delay: 0)
[18:22:14] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[18:22:17] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[18:22:17] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[18:22:17] *** Initiating video encoding:

[18:22:17] *** Original : 1920x1080
[18:22:17] *** Crop : 0
[18:22:17] *** Resize : 720x480
[18:22:17] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[18:22:17] *** Sharpen : 0
[18:22:17] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[18:22:17] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[18:22:17] *** 3D mode : Anaglyph 3D (red/cyan)
[18:22:17] *** 3D task : Preparing streams...
[18:22:23] *** 3D task : Demux completed!
[18:22:23] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[18:22:23] *** Encoding : One pass (VBR) - content: [00:00:08] (MPEG-2 encoder: HCenc)
[18:22:23] *** Sampling : ETA: [00:00:01] until transcode starts
[18:24:53] *** Speed : 1.41 fps (elapsed: 00:02:30 - Realtime x 0.06)
[18:24:53] *** Transcoding successful!

[18:24:54] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[18:24:54] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[18:24:54] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[18:24:54] No audio tracks found!
[18:24:54] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[18:24:58] Demuxing 0 subtitle and 1 audio tracks...
[18:24:59] No subtitles demuxed!
[18:24:59] Processing 1 audio tracks...
[18:25:06] Audio processing completed!
[18:25:06] Applying pulldown...
[18:25:06] Authoring DVD structure (muxman)...
[18:25:06] Title contains: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[18:25:15] SD-DVD muxing completed!
Dean

[bc55]

If you leave with [OK] they won't disappear. You can create any number of chapters using the [auto] button in [chapters] tab in [properties].

Yeah !

Thanks, I found the setting to create 12 equal chapters for every file in the project.

I simply overlooked it .....

Thanks, Dean :D

Cheers

BC55

[VincAlastor]

dean, if you don't know Pantarheon 3D AviSynth Toolbox is here a link: http://www.pantarheon.org/AviSynth3DToolbox/
maybe this .avsi does a better/faster anaglyph 3d conversation.

[crl2007]

It doesn't. The slow process is generated by the mvc decoder. Has nothing to do with the avisynth.

[deank]

This toolbox provides simple ways to create anaglyph videos from LEFT + RIGHT separate video sources.

The problem (as crl2007 stated) is not with creating the final image, but with decoding the supplementary information for the right eye with the plugin H264Stereo... It slows things down.

multiAVCHD uses its own method of using the right-eye information to create the depth RED channel. I experimented a lot with anaglyph and created some 3D anaglyph images myself (using dual camera shots).

Unless the development of this avisynth plug-in evolves into a faster one, the conversion will be limited to 1-5 frames per second.

Dean

[VincAlastor]

It doesn't. The slow process is generated by the mvc decoder. Has nothing to do with the avisynth.

oh, ok. do you know a info/readme for H264StereoSource.dll?

This toolbox provides simple ways to create anaglyph videos from LEFT + RIGHT separate video sources.

The problem (as crl2007 stated) is not with creating the final image, but with decoding the supplementary information for the right eye with the plugin H264Stereo... It slows things down.

multiAVCHD uses its own method of using the right-eye information to create the depth RED channel. I experimented a lot with anaglyph and created some 3D anaglyph images myself (using dual camera shots).

Unless the development of this avisynth plug-in evolves into a faster one, the conversion will be limited to 1-5 frames per second.

Dean

oh, ok (the 2nd). thank you for explanation :)

[setarip_old]

@deank

I downloaded and installed Build 757 (NOT just the .DAT file) and dragged and dropped a 2D 10 second long 1080p file on to it (Tried both .M2TS and .MPLS).

Tried both, clicking on file to get to "Transcode" page and clicking on "Transcode" to get to "Transcode" page.

In both cases, "Create 3D anaglyph" was greyed out.

Any thoughts?

(Did I misunderstand? Can this ONLY be used to convert from "New" 3D to anaglyph?)

[Aai em ron]

@deank

I downloaded and installed Build 757 (NOT just the .DAT file) and dragged and dropped a 2D 10 second long 1080p file on to it (Tried both .M2TS and .MPLS).

Tried both, clicking on file to get to "Transcode" page and clicking on "Transcode" to get to "Transcode" page.

In both cases, "Create 3D anaglyph" was greyed out.

Any thoughts?

(Did I misunderstand? Can this ONLY be used to convert from "New" 3D to anaglyph?)

Same problem here.
Thanks soo far
Ron

[crl2007]

Yes, this update is only for 3D Blu-Ray discs conversion. To convert from 2D to 3D anaglyph you can use this (http://www.pantarheon.org/AviSynth3DToolbox/) or this (http://3dvision-blog.com/2d-to-3d-realtime-video-conversion-script-for-avisynth-v0-3/).

[deank]

@deank
(Did I misunderstand? Can this ONLY be used to convert from "New" 3D to anaglyph?)

Yes, that was the idea with the option in multiAVCHD - to allow people (like me) who don't have 3D TV set to play the upcoming 3D Blu-ray titles.

As far as I know there is only one (Cloudy...with meatballs 3D) + the panasonic 3d demo disc (and may be Monsters vs. Aliens).

To save you the time for conversion/encoding I'm uploading the anaglyph versions of the 4 main features from the DEMO disc:

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/news/p1030108.jpg

http://www.blu-ray.com/images/news/p1030110.jpg

The 3D HDTV and the 3D Blu-ray player look good on paper (and in person), but how do they fare when the lights go down and the movie starts up? No doubt many have, by now, sampled what 3D is all about on the Best Buy showroom floor, and while a decent enough presentation, there's nothing quite like viewing in a more controlled environment, taking the time to learn the controls, tweak the components, and enjoy the 3D demo disc and a larger sampling of 2D Blu-ray materials at one's own leisure. The included 3D sample disc features four primary "High Quality Picture Contents" presented in 1080p Full HD 3D -- Funny Furry Friends; Rome, The Eternal City; Grand Canyon; and the Astro Boy trailer -- and seven additional "Fun Contents" clips: Drag Racing, Motocross, Canadian Nature, Mexico City, Coral Wonderland, Mexico's Mariachi, and Game, the last being a very basic and very short demonstration of a 3D racing game with crude graphics but a spectacular dimensional feel. Each clip is painfully short, lasting between about 90 seconds and three minutes in length.

RED / CYAN 3D anaglyph version (MKV container/H.264 video + Dolby 5.1 AC3 audio):

INTRO and MENU background (32MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401570707/01_MENU.rar)

Main features (1920x1080p 23.976fps):
GRAND CANYON (101MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/402040150/20_Grand_Canyon.mkv) (re-encoded)
ROME, THE ETERNAL CITY (124MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401581729/18_Rome.mkv)
FURRY FRIENDS (111MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401589127/17_Furry_Friends.mkv)
ASTRO BOY (111MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401601821/16_AstroBoy.mkv)

***

Extras (1280x720p 60fps):
Canadian Nature (121MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401761851/EX_Canadian_Nature.mkv)
Exciting Motocross (68MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401673327/EX_Exciting_Motocross.mkv)
Coral Wonderland (138MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401698406/XX_Coral_Wonderlands.mkv)
Drag Racing (99MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401706120/XX_Drag_Racing.mkv)
Mexico City (135MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401721946/XX_Mexico_City.mkv)
Mexico's Mariachi (86MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401733975/EX_Mexico_s_Mariachi.mkv)
Game (26MB) (http://rapidshare.com/files/401935963/EX_Game.mkv)

********

Screenshot from "Canadian Nature" (comes in 720p 60fps)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/nature_02.jpg

...and from Motocross:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/race_03.jpg


Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Sorry and somewhat disappointed that I misunderstood what you were doing. On the other hand, as soon as I finish typing this, I'll download, and undoubtedly enjoy, exploring the files you've been gracious enough to post.

Thanks ;>}

**EDIT** Great work! It would be more satisfying if I could do the actual conversion using MultiAVCHD. Any chance you could also post the original, unconverted demo files?

[deank]

Great work! It would be more satisfying if I could do the actual conversion using multiAVCHD. Any chance you could also post the original, unconverted demo files?

That would mean the original DEMO blu-ray disc, which is ~18GB. No :) I can't really. I guess you'll be able to do it yourself once you get a copy of Monsters vs. Aliens 3D.

This type of re-encoding is quite time/space consuming. For the 720p extras multiAVCHD cannot be used, so I do it manually.

For example "Coral Wonderlands" requires nearly 22GB of temporary files for just 120 seconds of video. Processing takes ~1 hour to get the final 138MB MKV. :)

Processing 1920x1080p works in multiAVCHD and may require 2x movie-m2ts space.

[setarip_old]

That would mean the original DEMO blu-ray disc, which is ~18GB. No I can't really.I understand fully - and appreciate what you've already done ;>}

I'll try to locate the same Panasonic demo disc for now...

[wiseant]

Hi deank, I found a small bug - hope I am posting in the appropriate place . . .

[log file included] I am running Vista Home Premium SP1

One file, C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\nin_m1080i.ts actually got written out as:

a) [17:08:33] Title #1 added: "Desktop / in m1080i"

as well as

b) [17:09:41] Playback will start with title #1 (Desktop / in m1080i).

and

c) 1. Desktop / in m1080i [00:02:20]

Here is a copy of my most recent MultiAVCHD log:

[17:04:50] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04010755]

[17:08:22] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[17:08:23] Destination [c:]: NTFS, 184789.52 MiB (180.459 GiB) free space
[17:08:23] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 184789.52 MiB (180.459 GiB) free space

[17:08:23] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.1 (build 756)
[17:08:23] Selected output mode: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)

[17:08:23] Processing 4 titles...
[17:08:23] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[17:08:23] Processing (C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\nin_m1080i.ts)...
[17:08:25] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG-2 1920x1080, fps=29.970
[17:08:25] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[17:08:25] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[17:08:25] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[17:08:25] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[17:08:25] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
MPEG-2 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding MPEG2 stream (track 1): Profile: Main@4. Resolution: 1920:1080i. Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 256Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 4197 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 7 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG-2, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\nin_m1080i.ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113, fps=29.970
A_AC3, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\nin_m1080i.ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[17:08:33] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[17:08:33] Processing playlist...
[17:08:33] Title #1 added: "Desktop / in m1080i"
[17:08:33] Verifying title...
[17:08:36] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[17:08:36] Processing (C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\driveby_truckers_1080i.ts)...
[17:08:38] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG-2 1920x1080, fps=29.970
[17:08:38] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[17:08:38] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[17:08:38] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[17:08:38] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[17:08:38] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
MPEG-2 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding MPEG2 stream (track 1): Profile: Main@4. Resolution: 1920:1080i. Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 256Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 11370 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 20 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG-2, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\driveby_truckers_1080i.ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113, fps=29.970
A_AC3, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\driveby_truckers_1080i.ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[17:08:58] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00001.m2ts
[17:08:58] Processing playlist...
[17:08:58] Title #2 added: "driveby truckers 1080i"
[17:08:58] Verifying title...
[17:09:01] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[17:09:01] Processing (C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\rufuswainwright_1080i.ts)...
[17:09:03] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG-2 1920x1080, fps=29.970
[17:09:03] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[17:09:03] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[17:09:03] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[17:09:03] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[17:09:03] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
MPEG-2 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding MPEG2 stream (track 1): Profile: Main@4. Resolution: 1920:1080i. Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 256Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 7562 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 14 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG-2, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\rufuswainwright_1080i.ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113, fps=29.970
A_AC3, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\rufuswainwright_1080i.ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[17:09:17] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00002.m2ts
[17:09:17] Processing playlist...
[17:09:17] Title #3 added: "rufuswainwright 1080i"
[17:09:17] Verifying title...
[17:09:20] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[17:09:20] Processing (C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\worldcafelive_m1080i.ts)...
[17:09:22] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG-2 1920x1080, fps=29.970
[17:09:22] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[17:09:22] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[17:09:22] AR of 16:9 will be set for this title.
[17:09:22] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[17:09:22] Media split set at 4000MiB point...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
MPEG-2 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding MPEG2 stream (track 1): Profile: Main@4. Resolution: 1920:1080i. Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 256Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 8904 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 16 sec
===============================================================================

===============================================================================
tsMuxeR meta:
===============================================================================
MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --split-size=4000MiB --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG-2, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\worldcafelive_m1080i.ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113, fps=29.970
A_AC3, "C:\Users\UNOIT\Desktop\worldcafelive_m1080i.ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
===============================================================================
[17:09:38] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00003.m2ts
[17:09:38] Processing playlist...
[17:09:38] Title #4 added: "worldcafelive m1080i"
[17:09:38] Verifying title...
[17:09:40] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks

[17:09:40] Preparing authoring information...


[17:09:40] Preparing menu pages...
[17:09:41] Setting main menu for 4 titles...
[17:09:41] Playback will end after title #4.
[17:09:41] Playback will start with title #1 (Desktop / in m1080i).
[17:09:41] Setting menu properties...
[17:09:41] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[17:09:41] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[17:09:41] Completed.
[17:09:47] Preparing AVCHDTN database...
[17:09:48] Database and index created!
[17:09:48] Done!

[17:09:48] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[17:09:48] c:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: AVCHD compatible player (DVD/BD-R disc)
Name : MYFourClips
===============================================================================
1. Desktop / in m1080i [00:02:20]
2. driveby truckers 1080i [00:06:19]
3. rufuswainwright 1080i [00:04:12]
4. worldcafelive m1080i [00:04:56]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 00:17:48
Output size : 1635 MiB (1.597 GiB)

[17:09:48] c:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[17:09:48] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[17:09:49] You may now remove temp folder (c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100622\).
[17:09:49] Your compilation contains 0hrs 17min 48sec of video material.

[17:09:49] multiAVCHD finished in 85.847 seconds (00:01:25.847)!

[17:09:49] End of log.

[deank]

You can change the name in [properties]. The problem (bug) is that the file+path contains "\n" which is interpreted by multiAVCHD as "new line". I'll see if I can do anything about it.

:) Dean

[digitalvideo]

Hi deank,

Can you upload the orignal mvc files of the main features with the orginal 3D?

Thx

[deank]

As I posted above - the disc is 18GB. I can't upload it anywhere.

Here it is as a torrent. (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/Panasonic.3D.Demo.Disc.Untouched.torrent) (18GB) (uploading from my laptop so have mercy)

To play it you'll either need a 3D Blu-ray player or software player capable of 3D (like TMT3).

SSIF folder is not needed if you're planning to use only LEFT+RIGHT m2ts files to obtain stereo information.

For example you can download 00001.mpls + 00001.m2ts/00002.m2ts and test a demux with eac3to - you'll get the left+right .h264 files.

Dean

***

Few tweaks in the latest update to expand the depth of 3D anaglyph encodes.

[Guest]

deank,

Is this disk in the public domain, or do you have copyright? If not, then you cannot redistribute it here. Sorry.

[deank]

It is a demo disc which is not for sale and is distributed freely with new Panasonic Viera 3D TV sets.

I thought it is okay to share it.

Dean

//

Some tweaks in the latest update for some more anaglyph depth.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/00_clown_01.jpg

[Capsbackup]

deank, after updating to build 757, multiAVCHD now acts very slugish, especially trying to view custom menus and button highlight changes, etc..
It's about a 30 second delay before the preview will display. Not just the real time preview either. Kind of frustrating. :(
Anything change? Can I do/set anything differently to speed up previews? :confused:

ALSO:
I noticed when I used multiAVCHD to transcode some files, before it would start a pop up message asking to use ffdshow or not, once or never, that I needed to respond to.
What is the correct response to this message? I want to make the correct selection and check always to it to avoid this nagging message. :p

[deank]

It is probably caused by ffdshow and a hidden prompt whether avsinfo.exe is allowed to use it.

Add .\tools\avsinfo.exe in the allowed apps to use ffdshow, or simply remove the restrictions in ffdshow if you have them set by default.

Few pages back there are some screenshots about ffdshow.

This is the post. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1406716#post1406716)

[Capsbackup]

Thanks for the link, but I guess I'm not with it this morning. :confused:
I am using FFDSHOW: 3326 for compatibility with BD-RB, is that OK?
I am not understanding the instructions for ffdshow, since mine appears to be as the screen shot shows.
Would you be so kind to instruct me the necessary steps, in particular this: Add .\tools\avsinfo.exe ?

[deank]

I believe this is the screenshot:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/steps/ffd-07.jpg

Remove the check-box [x] Use ffdshow only in...

or edit the list (if it is checked) and add avsinfo.exe from tools folder... I'd suggest to disable the checkbox at all.

:) Dean

[Capsbackup]

I am not having good luck here! (Feeling old today!)
Tried that, both check boxes are un-selected, but still have the delay.
Tried adding avsinfo.exe, mx264.exe, x264.exe, but nothing is working, still waiting for the preview!
Oh well, thanks! Sorry to be a PITA, but patience for the preview has become a deterrent to having fun. :p

[deank]

Hmmm...

The only change in in 756/757 is about using avsinfo.exe when generating previews (and not x264). If you wish - rename avsinfo.exe in tools folder to avsinfo.xxx and try again. If you have the delay when transcode starts - then it means there is something changed @ your and between your last attempts and now.

Also make sure that you do the changes in ffdshow while no ffdshow is running. I can't think of anything else :)

Dean

[Capsbackup]

I can't even click on the media title properties to view chapters, audio, subtitles, etc... without waiting 30+ seconds! Before it was just the menu preview, but now the whole program options give this delay!
Even blanking titles from a BD-RB full movie backup is delayed to choose/select the title to blank. :confused:

[deank]

All is related to the very same thing. Executing avisynth scripts - be it with avsinfo.exe or x264.exe.

[Capsbackup]

OK! Renaming avsinfo.exe in tools folder to avsinfo.xxx worked!!
Now I am back to quicker previews like before. The real time menu preview still has the 30+ second delay, but it always had that for me. Blanking responds quickly too.
Thanks deank, I appreciate your help! :)

[Capsbackup]

Can you tell me what I should do for:
ALSO:
I noticed when I used multiAVCHD to transcode some files, before it would start a pop up message asking to use ffdshow or not, once or never, that I needed to respond to.
What is the correct response to this message? I want to make the correct selection and check always to it to avoid this nagging message.

[deank]

If renaming works then it means that you NEED to find the option in ffdshow (like discussed above).

You get the same delay because of ffdshow NOT recognizing x264/mx264.

There is no proper answer to the prompt (which I personally have never seen), because there is no option 'always allow'.

You must find a way to allow multiAVCHD's tools to use ffdshow (including avsinfo.exe which you renamed to .xxx).

Dean

[Capsbackup]

If renaming works then it means that you NEED to find the option in ffdshow (like discussed above).

You get the same delay because of ffdshow NOT recognizing x264/mx264.

There is no proper answer to the prompt (which I personally have never seen), because there is no option 'always allow'.

You must find a way to allow multiAVCHD's tools to use ffdshow (including avsinfo.exe which you renamed to .xxx).

Dean

I would like to find the cause, and have been trying unsuccessfully for almost two hours. :rolleyes:
I am just pleased I am back to where I was before the last update! :p
My limited abilities here prevent me from figuring out the cause, and am just thankful you helped me get back to where I was. :)

[Guest]

It is a demo disc which is not for sale and is distributed freely with new Panasonic Viera 3D TV sets.

I thought it is okay to share it.
OK, thanks for the clarification. I have restored your link. It was my duty to check that.

[deank]

Thanks. I believe it will help developers (if anyone decides to download it), because it may be the only free 3D Blu-ray title available.

Structure and content differs quite a lot from regular titles. New movie-object commands, new folders for stereo decoding (SSIF), new stream layout (1 m2ts for left eye, another complimentary for the right delta).

Dean

[Capsbackup]

deank, I have tried again to find the cause of this issue, but still no luck.:o
For now, my best option is to just not use avsinfo.exe.
Would it be possible for you to implement setting up ffdshow properly for multiAVCHd on install of multiAVCHD, similar to BD-RB?
Would there be any kind of conflict for BD-RB if this was done?

[deank]

No, I can't implement such feature. multiAVCHD does NO changes to user's configuration or registry settings and I'll keep it that way.

ffdshow settings for BD-RB are in no conflict with multiAVCHD. It just requires a way to decode video via 'directshow' - nothing else.

[Capsbackup]

OK thanks deank. I have exhausted myself trying to find the cause of this 30+ second delay. :p
Since noone else is having this issue, it must be on my end. :confused:
I have read and re-read the setup procedures, uninstalled and reinstalled ffdshow and Haali, and still have the same results. :mad:
I will have to be satisfied, for now :), with avsinfo.exe disabled.

[Capsbackup]

deank, I finally got it to work! :)
My ffdshow installation has a DXVA Video Decoder Configuration option as well as a Video Decoder Configuration option. When I select this one and uncheck " Use ffdshow only in:" my delay is fixed.
So I have both video decoder configurations set the same, and all is well! :D
Thanks again for working with me on this one, I do appreciate it.:cool:

[deank]

I'm glad you found the option. Now please restore avsinfo.exe :)

[bc55]

Hi,

I tried to build a BD today out of 4 titles.

3 went fine, but the fourth didn't.

After the muxing bit, I get the message that relevant files are missing, thus no M2TS file was found ?!

The output folders are then empty.

It's an M2TS file, AVC Codec, and 5.1 AC3. All the other 3 are as well.

Any ideas ?

Cheers

BC55

[laserfan]

It is a demo disc which is not for sale and is distributed freely with new Panasonic Viera 3D TV sets.

I thought it is okay to share it.Dean I think the answer to this question is as simple as examining the disc itself for any copyright symbol or statement. If Panasonic did not apply one, then I would think they will be hard-pressed to complain about its distribution?

[Capsbackup]

I'm glad you found the option. Now please restore avsinfo.exe :)

:) Of course!
Having fun again. :p

[deank]

A quick update:

* Fixed wrong red-channel mix for red/cyan anaglyph mode
* Added drop-down menu in SETTINGS to select:

Anaglyph (red/cyan)
Anaglyph (green/magenta)
Stereo (left/right)
Cross Eyed (right/left)
Stereo (top/bottom)
Stereo (bottom/top)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/3d_crosseyed.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3d/3d_topbottom.jpg

Dean

p.s. If you get errors (title marked in red) when importing playlists - please update with multiUPDATE.

[deank]

Dean I think the answer to this question is as simple as examining the disc itself for any copyright symbol or statement. If Panasonic did not apply one, then I would think they will be hard-pressed to complain about its distribution?

I only see (tm) for the 3D logo - no (c) symbol, nor copyright info on the disc itself.

[Capsbackup]

deank, is there an option in multiAVCHD to have an intro clip play first, then the main movie plays next, and then go to a motion menu?

[deank]

Until I implement user-defined Welcome/intro screen you can use hidden title for the intro clip (or you can replace the welcome screen generated by multiAVCHD if you're familiar with the procedure).

You can use the intro clip as normal or hidden title.

1) Load the intro
2) Load the movie
3) AUTHOR tab: set [x] Play all, [x] Skip menu playback
4) intro [properties] - Action - [play next]
5) movie [properties] - Action - [go to menu]

If you don't want the intro to show in the menu, set it as hidden title.

If you decide to use your own 'welcome screen' you'll have to prepare your own m2ts/mpls/clpi with tsmuxer, using proper numbering format:

80000.m2ts
80000.clpi
00252.mpls (which refers to 80000.m2ts)

Then let multiAVCHD create its own welcome screen and replace the files.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

OK, thanks. Got it to work using example above 1-5. Awesome! :)
Learning something new every day! :cool:
What a great program!!

[Capsbackup]

deank, not trying to push my luck here, :p , but is there a way to delay the start of the button highlight?
My custom motion menu has several seconds of intro before the display of the button selection, which is really just one choice, to start the movie. It then fades to black, and either returns to the menu again, if enter is not selected, or starts the movie if enter is selected.
Is there a way, or could it be implemented, to have the ability to select the start and end time for the button highlight to be displayed? :)

[deank]

I'm sorry to let you down with this one, but I don't really think it is possible. That's why most blu-ray titles have the 'main-menu-look-alike' playing for some 20-30 seconds and then *another* video is played (which looks the same as the 'intro-menu') when buttons show as active.

:rolleyes:

[Capsbackup]

I'm sorry to let you down with this one, but I don't really think it is possible. That's why most blu-ray titles have the 'main-menu-look-alike' playing for some 20-30 seconds and then *another* video is played (which looks the same as the 'intro-menu') when buttons show as active.

:rolleyes:

No problem then, I will have to just get more creative! :)

[insaneoctane]

Dean,
Seems you've fixed something, because now MAVCHD will create a project using a video file that my system can't playback! (MPC says "can't reneder file"). What's strange, is that I was troubleshooting things and I noticed that MAVCHD was running my file through tsmuxer (don't know why), but the output was playable on my PC, but the source wasn't. The only difference I can tell has to do with the audio delay in the source was -140ms and in the output was 0. Here is the mediainfo from the source (won't play on PC - "can't render file") and the mediainfo from the output after MAVCHD created the project (I'll include the log file to). Why is MAVCHD running the file through tsmuxer?

MEDIAINFO of SOURCE (hp_nowork_mediainfo.txt)
MEDIAINFO of OUTPUT (hp_nowork_fixed_mediainfo.txt)
LOG of PROJECT (20100620-231326-multiAVCHD.log.txt)

Well, I'm still struggling with this. I found that another person has had a similar problem with these particular discs (these are the Harry Potter 1-5 or 6 blu rays).link (http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=36849)

Anyway, if I just assume that the particular flavor of VC-1 that these discs are encoded with are a slight problem for ffdshow (which would explain why VLC and PS3 can play them), is there any thing you guys could suggest that I could do to my AVCHD directory of the disc (product of using AVCHD Manager) that would make my system (and thus MAVCHD) happy so that I could use it in my MAVCHD project that includes motion menu? I guess I'm looking for a bandaide or workaround.

[Capsbackup]

@insaneoctane;
I had no problem backing up the HP 1-6 Blu-ray discs, but I did full movie backups with BD-RB, and they all turned out excellent.
You may not have ffdshow set up correctly for VC-1 files.
You could try, as mentioned in the other thread, to demux the original .m2ts files and then remux to mkv, then import those newly remuxed mkv's into multiAVCHD to create the backup to your liking.
Occasionally, some interlaced VC-1 files can be troublesome, but remuxing to mkv can overcome this decoding problem.. at least this has worked for me. :)

[insaneoctane]

@insaneoctane;
...
Occasionally, some interlaced VC-1 files can be troublesome, but remuxing to mkv can overcome this decoding problem.. at least this has worked for me. :)

Okay, I was hesitant to do this because I figured if it is just a container change, the resulting files would still cause MAVCHD problems...

[Capsbackup]

deank, I believe I may have found a bug.
I have made a custom BD9 using 5 titles, and also a motion menu. I selected carousel menu style, and have a main, chapter, setup and title menu buttons.
The problem happens when playing back on PowerDVD 7.3 or TMT3. I did not burn to disc without reporting to you first.
On initial startup, the main menu works fine, if I select play movie it also works fine. Chapters and setup are also fine. But if I select title list, and select any of the four title options besides the main movie, at the conclusion of the clip, it returns to the main menu with the play movie button highlighted, and if you select play movie, the previous clip that just played from the title list menu repeats again. Whatever clip is last played from the title list menu will play again when the play movie button is selected.
On first startup of TMT3 or PowerDVD, the main movie will play when selecting the play movie button if no other selection is made first. But if you navigate to the title list menu, and select any title option, after that clip finishes, it will return to the main menu, and at that point if you select play movie, whatever the previous clip was that just played will play again.

EDIT:
On most Blu-rays and DVD's, when you enter an "Extras or Special Features" menu page, and select an option from what could be many options within that page, at the conclusion of a clip it will return to the available options within that menu page, and not the main menu. Is that feature available with multiAVCHD?

[deank]

Okay, I was hesitant to do this because I figured if it is just a container change, the resulting files would still cause MAVCHD problems...

Changing the contaner may sometimes have great impact, depending on user configuration. Although the file contains the same video codec + audio codec, a different type of container may allow or prevent you PC of decoding it.

For example you can have AVC video + AAC audio in MKV container and in MP4 container, but you PC could fail with the second.

deank, I believe I may have found a bug.

Sorry for the delayed answer... Did it happen with your selection to [skip top menu playback]?

There are so many routes for a menu-program to take and I didn't test all.

About DVD... and multiAVCHD...

Note 1: I've never been into DVD authoring. (never authored 1 DVD).

Note 2: multiAVCHD was initially designed for authoring A LOT OF TITLES (like 252 is the max). I managed to make it return to the proper menu page after title-playback (like if you played title#8, after it finishes, menu is shown for title #8).

Title menu was introduced with version 4 as an aux to main menu.

It is hard to code all errorless. I've created over 50 compilations with title-list menu and never had the problem.

Dean

[Capsbackup]

I only have skip welcome screen selected, and skip top menu playback was unselected.
I am only authoring to AVCHD or Blu-ray, not doing DVD's anymore. :)
I am using Title List menu as my Extra Features / Bonus menu. It allows me to add the trailers and outtakes, etc.. from a Blu-ray and create my own with the access thru this menu button. Is that OK?
My only point of mention of the after clip play return to the Title List menu was if I have several clips inside of that Title List menu, I would not have to navigate back to this menu button from the main menu, I would still be inside of the Title List menu after conclusion of the clip, ready to select the next one.
From the main menu, the Play button is just for selecting the main movie, right? This is where I think there is a problem, since at times it plays the last clip selected from within the Title List menu instead of always only playing the main movie!

[deank]

I'll try to replicate it later/tomorrow.

[Title-list] menu is the same (and should act the same way) as the [top-menu] (XMB/SLI/CAR).

***

There is no such thing as 'main movie' in multiAVCHD. Each title is a TITLE (movie). The [PLAY] button just activates a title/movie. Title-list menu should do the same.

:) Dean

[Capsbackup]

I am quite impressed with the look of the Carousel menu, and with the 4 menu selection buttons I have created, Play, Setup, Chapters, and Title List ( renamed to Extras ), it is hard to tell it apart from a retail Blu-ray disc. :)
Excellent work deank!
I am new at trying out ALL these features, so am just sharing my experience with you. If I am being a PITA with suggestions or requests, sorry. Sometimes I forget/confuse you with Scenarist and MovieFactory! :p

[deank]

Carousel menu is designed by Atak_Snajpera (the reason to move out from doom9 and create my own forum, a decision I'll never regret)... SLIDE is mostly the same.

[Capsbackup]

There is no such thing as 'main movie' in multiAVCHD. Each title is a TITLE (movie). The [PLAY] button just activates a title/movie. Title-list menu should do the same.
:) Dean

Maybe I am not understanding the correct method of multiAVCHD then.
When I set up, as described above, to have 1 main movie, with the setup menu for audio and subs, and the chapter menu for scene selections, and a title list menu for the extras as well as the main movie, since there is a button option within the title list for it, what is the Play button designed for on the main menu?
Everything does work, with this only hiccup that I have described, and I can still play the main movie, but my experience, mainly with retail Blu-rays, is the play button is for the main title/movie.
Is there a way for me to set it up that way? :confused:

[Capsbackup]

Carousel menu is designed by Atak_Snajpera (the reason to move out from doom9 and create my own forum, a decision I'll never regret)... SLIDE is mostly the same.

Yes, I remember this, and also remember asking you to stay here, which I am pleased that you did! :)

[Adub]

Ah! I've missed so much! Sorry I've been away for so long, nothing like university finals and starting a new job to suck up all of your time. Just thought I'd stop in an say hey again Dean. Looks like you've been busy! 3D support, dang man!

Keep up the awesome work man! I plan on helping you out some more now that things are settling back down a bit.

[DaFees]

Hello,

First let me say that I think multiavchd is a wonderful application, but at the present time I am having an issue. Let me say that I am not blaming multiavchd as the issue, but I've already been over to the eac3to thread and we know that isn't the problem. What I am trying to do is convert lossless audio from BDRips to LPCM for playback on my PS3 via media streaming / storing them on my PS3 hard drive. The issue is that I can convert DTS-HD MA perfectly, but for some reason TrueHD does not work, period. When I try to convert a file with TrueHD audio it first tells me that eac3to refused to convert the audio, so it does a demux and tries again. It works the second time, but then when I try to play the file with the converted audio I get absolutely no sound.

I hate to sound like a noob, but I for the life of me cannot figure out why I cannot properly convert TrueHD audio. Now, again, I'm not blaming multiavchd for the problem, but I do not know where else to start looking.

[Adub]

DaFees, we will be able to help you a lot more if you post a log that exhibits the problem you mentioned. Post the Eac3to log as well.

[DaFees]

Sorry, about that, I keep forgetting that the logs would be a nice help, but know I'm losing my mind. I just tried 3 different files and two of the three worked. I mean all three still gave me the whole eac3to refused to convert audio, but two of them worked. I will post the log for the one that didn't work, and if need be I can post the log for one that did work.

Now I'm starting to think I may have a slightly different problem, as in maybe this might be a bad BDRip. Either way though I would like to know why eac3to would fail the first time each with TrueHD.

Logs should be attached below.

[deank]

You can convert the audio with eac3to yourself and then check/play it and if all is okay add it to your video as external track.

[rendez2k]

So, I've just installed multiAVCHD on my new PC running Win 7 x64 and all the latest software (ffdshow, AVISynth etc). I've not yet watched the 2 movies I've burnt to BD-RE yet but the menu has issues. The picture breaks up and freezes on the motion background (the first 2 mins of the film looks fine but not watched all the way through yet). Any ideas?

[tebasuna51]

...
Either way though I would like to know why eac3to would fail the first time each with TrueHD.

Logs should be attached below.
Reading your logs:
[17:43:27] Converting TrueHD audio to LPCM (eac3to)...
[17:43:40] eac3to refused to convert audio! 1
[17:43:40] Trying to demux it...
[17:44:25] Trying to convert TrueHD again with eac3to to LPCM...
[17:48:05] Succeess! 2
[17:48:05] Adding LPCM headers (pcm2tsmu)...
[17:49:34] Succeess! 3
...
tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
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Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding LPCM stream (track 2): Bitrate: 6912Kbps
Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 Bits per sample: 24bit 4
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eac3to v3.22
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TrueHD/AC3, 5.1 channels, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
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The original audio track has a constant bit depth of 16 bits.
Superfluous zero bytes detected, will be stripped in 2nd pass.
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Creating file "c:\multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100627\00001.pcm"...
The processed audio track has a constant bit depth of 16 bits. 5
1) Maybe the first time try extract a .wav file and refuse the output because the <WARNING> about wav file > 4GB

2) After try extract a .pcm file without problems.

3) And use pcm2tsmu to convert the .pcm to a file accepted by TsMuxer. The problem is here: pcm2tsmu must be called with the parameter -i 16

4) And TsMuxer think the pcm is 24 bits

5) But the eac3to output is 16 bit

@Deank
After eac3to v3.21
* fixed: big w64/rf64 files sometimes had incorrect header information

I think the best way to send uncompressed audio to TsMuxer is with .w64 files.

[Adub]

Nice analysis there tebasuna51.

[DaFees]

Ok, so forgive me if this the wrong place to ask this, but how do I fix my issue? I mean I've tried converting the audio with multiavchd and I've tried doing it manually by: demux with tsmuxer + convert with eac3to + remux with tsmuxer. Neither way produces a working final product. I think when I do it manually I should being using pcm2tsmu after using eac3to?

EDIT - I should add that when I convert the demuxed .ac3 file to .wav the result will play fine in Windows Media player, but when I remux it with the video the end result on my ps3 is stuttery video and no sound.

[rendez2k]

Hmmmm, as well as the menu issues I reported earlier, the preview in title properties isn't showing now. Am I missing something with the codecs?

[tebasuna51]

Ok, so forgive me if this the wrong place to ask this, but how do I fix my issue? I mean I've tried converting the audio with multiavchd and I've tried doing it manually by: demux with tsmuxer + convert with eac3to + remux with tsmuxer...
Demux + convert with eac3to to .w64 file and remux with tsmuxer.

[DaFees]

Demux + convert with eac3to to .w64 file and remux with tsmuxer.

I used a tool, HdBrStreamExtractor, to demux and get a .ac3 file. I used eac3to via command line to convert the .ac3 file to a .w64 file. I used the tsmuxer gui to remux the .w64 file with the original .m2ts file. It didn't work. All I got on my PS3 was stuttery video and no audio.

EDIT - I only have a log file for eac3to but I can post it if necessary.

[tebasuna51]

With HdBrStreamExtractor you must output the W64 file directly.
But seems there are other problem and I can't help you.

[rendez2k]

Is there anyway to test the resulting AVCHD output folder on the PC before burning? I can play the individual m2ts files but not test the actual disc structure and menus.

[deank]

You can use Nero Showtime or ArcSoft TMT.

[rendez2k]

You can use Nero Showtime or ArcSoft TMT.

And that will just load a disc structure from the HDD? Tried Media Player Classic and WinDVD 2010 and neither worked....

[crl2007]

TotalMedia Theatre 3 loads HDD folders.

[Capsbackup]

And that will just load a disc structure from the HDD? Tried Media Player Classic and WinDVD 2010 and neither worked....

You can use ImgBurn to create an image, then load that image in Virtual Clone or Daemon, then test with PowerDVD or other software player that does not allow BD folders to be played back directly, like Tmt3 does.