multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[setarip_old]

@deank

When the .MPLS is used, here is what multiAVCHD shows, followed by what tsMuxeR shows:

multiAVCHD

[11:00:15] *** Scanning playlist (00049.mpls). Please wait...
[11:00:16] *** Playlist EXT format: BDMV 1.1
[11:00:16] *** Detected main-path : [00:00:11.650]
[11:00:19] *** Detected media file: [00048.m2ts, 01:15:10.080] (17510 MiB)
[11:00:19] *** Playitem size exceeds split point of 9999 MiB (set in Author tab).
[11:00:19] *** Playlist marked for full processing mode. (split/join)
[11:00:19] *** Detected chapters #: 00:00:00.000;00:01:47.315;00:02:57.844;00:04:55.461;00:05:51.059;00:07:37.790;00:09:54.927;00:11:44.078;00:15:43.317;00:17:47.316;00:22:40.525;00:24:15.453;00:25:34.783;00:29:42.280;00:33:04.357;00:36:01.951;00:40:21.877;00:44:22.159;00:46:40.005;00:48:26.570;00:52:09.126;00:53:43.261;00:56:33.723;00:58:51.194;01:02:10.977;01:05:25.046;01:07:44.810;01:08:49.875;01:10:45.491;01:12:24.548;01:15:09.838
[11:00:19] *** Playlist duration : 01:15:10 (17510 MiB)


tsMuxeR

E:\_NewBluRayTest\SleepingBeauty\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00049.mpls (01:15:10.087)
++ E:\_NewBluRayTest\SleepingBeauty\BDMV\STREAM\00048.m2ts (01:15:10.087)


[I]BTW - I just observed the same structure in the BluRay of "U571" - BUT in this case, the lower res secondary videostream is the PIP video!

[deank]

You'll get the info once the processing starts, not during the import... :) I'll see about it if you send me the info I asked for.

[colinhunt]

Please add a warning for the user if project settings require a PAL->NTSC slowdown or NTSC->PAL speedup.

I tried to compile two episodes of Life on one BD25 from 1080i50 original, and forgot to change TV system setting from NTSC to PAL. I only noticed something was wrong when the processing was almost done after 5 hours of encoding...

Something else to report, actually. Same project:


[21:55:47] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[21:55:47] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[21:55:47] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[21:55:47] Trying to demux audio...
[22:30:53] Parsing to NicAudio/aften (avisynth)...
[22:31:05] DELETE EXCEPTION: Should not touch file! (c:\temp\mavchd_temp\multitemp-20100411\00107.m2ts.t2.ac3.mpa)
[22:31:05] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[22:31:05] All tries to demux/encode audio failed!


Only audio on disc is DTS-HD HR (i.e. DTS-HRA) which multiAVCHD tried to re-encode into AC3, very likely because it had already done a PAL->NTSC slowdown to video.

[deank]

What output did you select? It looks like SD-DVD or HD-DVD or Viera... I can't see why otherwise HD audio will be downconverted to AC3... Also you have the settings in Subtitles&Audio tab.

If you're in PAL region you shouldn't worry if you selected NTSC, because most players support it already.

I can't add warnings for everything... How would I know what a user wants or forgot to select?

Still the log you posted is disturbing... I'll appreciate if you email me the complete log and the .mpf file.

[colinhunt]

What output did you select?
Output was BD-R/RE; BD25 was selected in the "Fit all" dialog.

If you're in PAL region you shouldn't worry if you selected NTSC, because most players support it already.
It's not a question of support, it's a question of slowing framerate down from 25fps to 24fps. I really don't want to see any framerate conversions when outputting to BD25.

I can't add warnings for everything... How would I know what a user wants or forgot to select?
You can't, I know. But messing with the framerate is a big deal. I honestly don't think multiAVCHD should do that unless making sure the user really wants it.

[colinhunt]

Still the log you posted is disturbing... I'll appreciate if you email me the complete log and the .mpf file.
OH SH..... I think I know why audio conversion failed. When setting up the project, I didn't want multiAVCHD to mess with the audio in any way (like I wouldn't have wanted it to mess about with framerate either :) ) - so I unticked the "Use eac3to" box under Audio conversion settings. But since framerate got changed, multiAVCHD probably wanted to re-encode audio despite the fact that audio was DTS-HRA. What a mess I managed to create :)

[Adub]

That was a nice one :) I really enjoyed watching it... And - yeah - pronouncing 'multiAVCHD' is quite a pain, too :)

Dean

I'm glad you liked it! I hope to pump out more and more tutorials for as long as I can (should see a spike over summer if I can get my sorry ass out of my oh-so-wonderful bed).

[deank]

Would you be kind and PM me how can I create such video-tutorials. I plan on creating one which covers most of the things in multiAVCHD.

[Adub]

PM sent.

[svgame]

my created slide show motion menu/audio limit 32 second,could fix it deank! thanks you

[deank]

32sec limit applies to SLIDE and CAROUSEL.

XMB menu doesn't have that limit.

[drelin]

@ Deank

Hello, thank for the update.

I've tested output with new setting for Motion menu and it's very better than before :)
Just on "complex scenes" video, I can see few "mosaic blocks" (see picture)
Maybe with a little more bitrate or more accuracy for complex scene in encoding settings, you can obtain perfect quality.

Other way, it's add a option "no reencode video background" (just mux elements to create menu).

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9109/badwithartefacts.jpg

For the Chapter page menu I repost 2 sample pictures :
1- Preview picture of 1st chapter page, we can see on multiavcd "preview" before compilation.
2- Screen capture of 1st chapter page menu after compilation on 80011.m2ts file.

You can see the big difference of quality.
N.B : the 2st chapter page is well with all textures.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1726/badrenderingnotexture.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7061/previewpicturewithcorre.jpg

[deank]

I created the same compilation and I didn't see such big difference.

And about the macroblocks with Legolas - check your MKV - you'll see that the macroblocks are in your ORIGINAL MKV file.. :)

[drelin]

I created the same compilation and I didn't see such big difference.

And about the macroblocks with Legolas - check your MKV - you'll see that the macroblocks are in your ORIGINAL MKV file.. :)

OK, I've saw the macroblocks on original Trailer video (and composed mokv file use for menu).
Sorry, the motion men is well now :)

But for chapter menu I can understand why a page menu is well and a other is not correct (It's seem that last frames are not encoded/decode correctly) ?
On static menu like SETUP the rendering is well.

[deank]

Download this multiAVCHD_drelin.rar (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_drelin.rar) and test the chapter menu. Don't update if asked. If it is okay I'll publish it as an official build.

[drelin]

Download this multiAVCHD_drelin.rar (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_drelin.rar) and test the chapter menu. Don't update if asked. If it is okay I'll publish it as an official build.

It's perfect all CHAPTER menu page are well :)

Thank a lot.
All work fine now :)

If you can later, can you make seaprate settings for "color" and "opacity" for SETUP / CHAPTER menu IGS.

And other request, Settings for x/y values for "close" button (return to menu) in SETUP menu
And same request for group button "< > x" in chapter page ?

[deank]

I read your request about that. It is not that easy, but I'll see about it when I have time.

Did you download the _drelin.rar with .exe stamped @:46min? Because I improved it a bit more... No bframes, now + rclookahead is changed and... it looks good. + the SETUP menu is better, too.

[drelin]

I read your request about that. It is not that easy, but I'll see about it when I have time.

Did you download the _drelin.rar with .exe stamped @:29min? Because I improved it a bit more... No bframes, now + rclookahead is changed and... it looks good.

I redownload and make a other test with report :)

[deank]

Ok.. download it now @:46 and check it. :)

[drelin]

It works well :)
All menus are fine now.

I'll create the menus (in internationnal version only with english text) for the this trilogy and post the packages with video menu backgorund for all.

[colinhunt]

A note about BD compatibility: 1080p25 is not officially a part of the Blu-ray standard. The UK release of Life has 1080i50 content, but multiAVCHD's BD output created files that are 1080p25. Players don't have to support that so this could be an issue at some point.

About the massive macroblocking issue I mentioned earlier: macroblocking takes place in sections where the original's VC-1 bitrate is very high, i.e. close to 40mbps.

[deank]

You're right... The next update (in few mins) will have that changed, along with the new motion-menu encoding settings.

[deank]

Now all resolutions are encoded properly:

1920x1080x59.94i, 50i
1440x1080x59.94i, 50i
720x480x59.94i
720x576x50i

[colinhunt]

Now all resolutions are encoded properly
That's very cool (and fast work, too), thanks.

Any idea about the macroblocking? It's very likely nothing to do with multiAVCHD; it's probably caused by something in the encoding path choking up because of high bitrates. FFDshow's video decoder config lists "wmv9" for VC-1 on my encoding PC. What route does the video data take from there on to x264.exe, i.e. what software could be messing it up?

[deank]

If it looks okay when played via ffdshow then nothing interferes with, but the encoding parameters in x264.

What profile did you use? Can you post the information (from mediainfo) about the parameters?

[colinhunt]

If it looks okay when played via ffdshow then nothing interferes with, but the encoding parameters in x264.
I tried to play the original file with MPC-HC (32-bit v1.3.1249.0) and once the episode hit the section with those high bitrates, image glitched like crazy, and started repeating the same few frames while audio played normally. However, this was with MPC-HC's internal VC-1 filter enabled.

I then disabled MPC-HC's internal filter and switched FFDshow VC-1 decoding to "disabled", and MPC-HC played the high bitrate section without glitches (although it was skipping frames the whole time).

Next I switched FFDshow VC-1 decoding to "wmv9" and played the file in MPC-HC again. It was dropping frames again, but high bitrate section played fine.

Switching FFDshow decoding to "libavcodec" resulted in playback not working at all.

What profile did you use? Can you post the information (from mediainfo) about the parameters?
By profile you mean which multiAVCHD output profile? BD25, 2-pass normal, for BD-R/RE.

Which parameters, from the original file or from the encoded file?

[deank]

Well... just try to encode it with the setting that doesn't cause the glitches... I believe frame-drops won't occur during the transcoding, because it is not in realtime anyway.

[colinhunt]

Well... just try to encode it with the setting that doesn't cause the glitches..
I did. FFDshow was set for "wmv9" which didn't cause glitches when original file was played with MPC-HC. And yet the glitches are there in the encode. Oh well...

[flaviometal]

It works well
All menus are fine now.

I'll create the menus (in internationnal version only with english text) for the this trilogy and post the packages with video menu backgorund for all.

Just waiting for your menus, drelin ;)

[deank]

Latest full package includes:

x264 0.93.1538M bd72d46 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264.rar)
built on Apr 12 2010, gcc: 4.4.3 (x86.core2.Komisar), compiled by rack04 (300KB download / 32bit version / long nal hrd start-code support).

Dean

[Capsbackup]

The UK release of Life has 1080i50 content


That's dissapointing to hear! The US version is not released until June, and I can hope it's 1080P.:cool:
Well, for the time being, I will create and watch my HD TV captured, 1080i, authored with multiAVCHD with custom made motion menu! :)

[deank]

Here we go with another version of the x264 demo disc:

No one said anything about the previous one (although 40 people downloaded it), so I decided to create it again with the new videos. :rolleyes:

Torrent file (3GB) (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/AVCHD_ready_x264_demo_disc.torrent)

This one has the intro on first playback, motion menu for all titles + motion video thumbs, simple pop-up menu for each title and a title-list menu.

Intro:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_intro.jpg

Title-list:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_titlelist.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_chap.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t2_main.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_chap.jpg

Main menu / Setup:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_setup.jpg

Pop-up menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_popup.jpg

Dean

[colinhunt]

That's dissapointing to hear!
Well, it is a BBC show, and they shoot these documentaries on video and mostly in 1080i50, in some cases 1080p25. And since Blu-ray does not support 1080p25, we're stuck with 1080i50. I don't think there's anything wrong with that; no detail is lost, after all. I'd go as far as to say that the UK release is superior to US framerate-converted 1080p24 release.

[zoner]

one small thing, i made a compilation with 3 videos checking high quality menu and fitting all to DVD5. it resulted aprox. 300mb too big.
is it because i selected the better quality encoding?

[deank]

Yes... a main manu page occupies ~25-30MB... each chapter/setup page another 2-4MBs... so usually ~50MB per title in the best case. More chapter pages - more space.. + a bit of miscalculation of the final size.. and there you go.

[zoner]

thought so, thanks for the quick answer :)

[drelin]

3 new graphic package for the the great Heroic Fantasy Trilogy are ready :), you can find the link here :
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=903&p=6774#p6774

[Oldfart13]

Just a quick question as I haven't been playing with this software much. It does a nice job with converting MKVs to AVCHD but can it convert a ASS or SSA subtitle to SRT and integrate that file into the finished AVCHD? I've been trying to do this for several months with foreign language programs with no success. I downloaded and tried a lot of programs but the subs simply don't want to display on my Curtis DVD 1102 (Momitsu 799 clone). I'm not giving up yet so I'll try this program of yours as well. The Curtis will only display SRT subs in an MKV and then only outside the MKV container. Such a pain to have to rip them everytime I get something new. The support for the Curtis is spotty so I can't tell exactly what the machine will support unless I try different discs and file formats.

Thank you for some great software....

[deank]

Usually multiAVCHD will extract the SSA/ASS subtitles and then convert them to SRT and will mux in the final AVCHD as PGS.

[grandmasta]

Hi dean, I have a little problem. when I select the chapter, I see no preview images, but only black images. can you please tell me what the reason is? I work with m2ts-files.

thank you

[deank]

You need the proper decoders/filters/splitters to get it all working + you need avisynth.

All tools are available here: http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

[deank]

Two things worth mentioning:

* With the extensive help from strad who is burning like 20 DVDs a day to help me with the compatibility issues between ver 4.0 and Panasonic/Samsung players - we've got to a point where the new menus will at least SHOW and won't make the player reject the disc. I'll update you when there is news about that and the [AVCHD strict] button will be gone :). (hopefully very soon)

* There are these new super-duper cool HD camcoders from Panasonic (like Panasonic HDC-TM700, released couple of months ago) which shoot non-compliant HD AVCHD videos (1080p@60fps and 1080p@50fps).

These camcoders have the option to 'save' the recording either as original 1080p(60fps/50fps) or as internally converted AVCHD compliant 1080i(30fps/25fps). The former of course once saved to your PC's HDD cannot be put back in the camcoder (the software doesn't allow you to do so).

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/i/product_media/39045382/image1/200x150-tm700_angle.jpg (http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders/0,39029967,49305229,00.htm?s_cid=83)

Too bad, for the reviewer @ cnet (http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/camcorders/0,39029967,49305229,00.htm?s_cid=83)didn't know about multiAVCHD and the camcoder got 'blamed', because as they said "...a PlayStation 3 console with its famous Cell processor and Full HD support gave us even worse results (n.e compared to other playback devices). Pans, zooms and practically any on-screen movement were rendered as a spluttering, stuttering mess..." - completely false... or probably they can't make difference between playing a .MTS file and AVCHD... What a shame. All looked great when I played the (!)1080p60fps AVCHD in my old PAL PS3. :)

Now, after a test with a HDC-TM700 owner (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1129), we managed to get the original 1080p60fps source back into the camcoder without any issues, allowing you to backup your recordings in their original format (1080p) and to be be able to put them back in the camcoder for playback at any time. That's why in one of the next builds there will be two more output buttons to select authoring mode for such HD camcoders:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_new_cam_output.jpg

[grandmasta]

You need the proper decoders/filters/splitters to get it all working + you need avisynth.

All tools are available here: http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17
thanks for the quick response. I installed everything again, but nothing is happening. I also had the same thing with a different film. what could be the problem?

[flaviometal]

3 new graphic package for the the great Heroic Fantasy Trilogy are ready :), you can find the link here :
http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=903&p=6774#p6774

Thank you so much, drelin!

[Dolsen]

Hi,

Nice addition to let it pick audio-track from the video, then you can skip having an extra file.

But I have a question: Will this only work from "main" part of the editor, and not from inside a title's own menu template editing?

I tried adding a background video .m2ts with AC3 audio in template editing, but it don't ask if I want to use first audio track from video. It does ask if I want to use first audio track when I try to add the same background video from "main" part of editor.

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

At the moment it works only for the main gui and not for the templates. I'll enable it later today in the templates too.

Hi again,

Template settings now accepts to use audio from video file as in main gui, thanks for adding this.

But I noticed the following: When you save the template, it makes two files from the input video file, one for background usage and one for audio usage. This results in double storage-usage for the template.

This is my template folder, after saving:
159MB bg-video.m2ts
159MB bg-audio.m2ts (AC3 part is only 1,2MB if demuxed)
4MB bg-chaps.png
4MB bg-setup.png
multiAVCHD.mmt


Is it not possible to make the template use same video file from template folder for motion background and motion background audio? Perhaps a "bg-mixed".[extention] or a setting-field in the "multiAVCHD.mmt" that informs use "bg-video" for audio also.

If not, perhaps some sort of file-link to avoid double storage-usage in the template folder?

Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

Yep, good idea. Either way, the template-window need more additions and fixes and I'll add that one too.

Thanks!

Dean

[Adub]

Yo Dean!

A user contacted me through my website after he saw the screencast that I put up.

He seems to be having some issues while converting some of his camcorder content to AVCHD. He sent me a sample, and it appears to be a problem with the audio or at least extracting the audio.

Here is a link to the sample file: http://www.mediafire.com/file/5tmntnza2kj
And here is my project file for the sample file: http://mirror.adubvideo.net/project.mpf

I think it's a problem with extracting the audio, as the container is .mov, and it looks like multiAVCHD tries to use mkvextract, which I'm not sure works on .mov files.

Any ideas?

Edit: Yep, seems to be a demuxing issue or similar, as I can load the audio just fine using the following avisynth script:
ffaudiosource("MVI_4382.MOV", track=1)

Oh, and did you get my PM?

[deank]

I have no problem processing the MOV either with transcoding (which is required) or without it. multiAVCHD re-packs the MOV as MP4, that's why you would see mkvextract/mkvmerge. You can advice him to rename the mov to mp4 and try again. Still he needs to transcode because the properties of this file are way out of AVCHD specs.

Yep, I got your PM :)

[deank]

The latest update got these two new output mode selection buttons [1080p@50fps] and [1080p@60fps]. They should be used by camcoder users, who wish to transfer non-AVCHD compliant recordings from PC back to their camcoders. These two modes should not be used for other purposes, but for direct transfer from PC to a camcoder, although PS3 plays the structure without a problem. Have in mind that the structure contains parameters outside Blu-ray and AVCHD specifications and may not work in pre-2010 camcoder models or regular AVCHD players.

Also it is now possible to load elementary MPEG-2 file (m2v) and mark it for [transcoding].

Dean

[Beatnut]

when i already processed a compilation, i cant add subtitles aftewards when i open the multiavchd project file, all the boxes are greyed out, why?

i need to add a subittle without haveing to reencode the .mkv