multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[Ghitulescu]

The Panasonic players can't send True HD and DTS HD from AVCHD burnt on dvd, my BD35 had the same problem and there's nothing to do.

The players that support TrueHD and DTS HD with AVCHD disks are generally relaxed in specs, as AVCHD doesn't allow these audio codecs, AFAIK.

[Music Fan]

Yes, but the situation is actually very weird because normally AVCHD doesn't allow Dts (I mean the simple Dts, like on dvd) but the AVCHD strict mode of MultiAVCHD allows it and the Panasonic players play it while it's not AVCHD compliant !
And I believe that we can also put multiple audio tracks and subtitles and Panasonic play it in AVCHD strict mode.
So, even the Panasonic play AVCHD disks relaxed in specs but not as much as other players (no DTS HD, no pop-up menu, no out-of-mux menus, ...).

[bloodta]

The Panasonic players can't send True HD and DTS HD from AVCHD burnt on dvd, my BD35 had the same problem and there's nothing to do.

That's weird, it should work. Did you keep the core with MultiaVCHD ? It didn't work when I tried that, so you have to keep the core with TSMuxer before importing the video in MultiAVCHD.
I know that it's not logical because MultiAVCHD uses TSMuxer.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Keeping the core with TSmuxer". Should I run the clip through TSMuxer first?

[IanD]

Are you sure that you didn't check "Force AR flag to 16:9" in the author tab ?
If no, it should work if you put your video in a MKV container with 4/3 Aspect Ratio (I do it with MKVmerge) before adding it in MultiAVCHD.
And you can also verify your player's setup.
I have confirmed "Force AR flag to 16:9" is not checked in the author tab.

Player setup is fine, because it plays genuine Bluray discs with 4:3 720x480 material with the correct on-screen aspect ratio.

I'll try redoing the project with all non-1080p material in mkv form and see if that makes a difference.

Is there a way to get ClownBD to create an mkv instead of m2ts? ClownBD works very well for my purposes otherwise.

[Music Fan]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Keeping the core with TSmuxer". Should I run the clip through TSMuxer first?
Yes. In TSMuxer you click on the sound line (normally 2nd line in the "tracks" area) ; the option "Downconvert True-HD to ac3" will appear below and you check it.

[bloodta]

Yes. In TSMuxer you click on the sound line (normally 2nd line in the "tracks" area) ; the option "Downconvert True-HD to ac3" will appear below and you check it.

I've tried that, still plays back very choppy. As far as where I heard about the type of media to use, I heard that on this forum. Also, what should I limit the bitrate to?

[MrVideo]

Also, what should I limit the bitrate to?

No more than 14 Mbps for H.264 HD material.

[bloodta]

No more than 14 Mbps for H.264 HD material.

That was it, set the bitrate to 17 Mbps and it worked fine. Thanks guys.

[IanD]

If no, it should work if you put your video in a MKV container with 4/3 Aspect Ratio (I do it with MKVmerge) before adding it in MultiAVCHD.
The mkv approach fixed the aspect ratio problem.

However, all 4:3 material renders chapter thumbnails as black only: 1080i/p material renders chapter thumbnails correctly. Is this a bug with multiAVCHD, or have I got a parameter set incorrectly?

[DMagic1]

Maybe I missed something guys but I have a question. I have a source with a truehd track and a 5.1 640 ac3 track
MultiAVCHD keeps the truehd untouched but always encodes the other 5.1 640 ac3 track.
Is there something I'm missing? I just want it to keep both tracks and not encode either.


edit:

Hmm, think I found the setting. Seems non HD audio was set to 384. oops

[Video Dude]

However, all 4:3 material renders chapter thumbnails as black only: 1080i/p material renders chapter thumbnails correctly. Is this a bug with multiAVCHD, or have I got a parameter set incorrectly?

I author 4:3 VOB files and do get chapter thumbnails.

A guess would be a black thumbnail could indicate a codec problem if the video file could not be decoded.

[Adub]

Yet how could the rest of the conversion complete successfully if there is a problem with the codec? The whole movie would be scrambled or black or otherwise incorrect.

[Video Dude]

Yet how could the rest of the conversion complete successfully if there is a problem with the codec? The whole movie would be scrambled or black or otherwise incorrect.
Only if the video needs to be reencoded.

If I author compliant VOBs, no reencode is done and they are muxed as is into a Blu-ray structure. The VOBs would then only need to be decoded for preview or to generate the thumbnails.

[Adub]

Yes, I agree.

However, I get black thumbnails when creating Blu-rays out of DVD's, in which the video is re-encoded to H.264 (for testing purposes) and I get black thumbnails yet a perfect movie.

[BeNooL]

No more than 14 Mbps for H.264 HD material.

That limitation is specific to Panasonic players? Peak or average bitrate?

Because on the Oppo I can do 14Mbits average with peaks well over 30Mbits during fast paced scenes.

[BeNooL]

Also I had a question on X264 custom settings.
Setting some options in the Settings tab ends up in fact adding these the to already generate command line. Is there a way to use only the custom settings entered (except for the input/output file, the I frame chapters pointers)?

I'm wondering why the -no-mbtree option is set for instance.

[Butterfly666]

I have a problem with MultiAVCHD. When I play a AVCHD file with ac3 5.1 , the ac3 5.1 doesnt seems to output as surround sound (I can see this on my Dolby Digital Decoder). The info in the ps3 tells me that the audio is reconized as 5.1 ac3 but the bitrate freezes at 640. I think that this causes the problem. But when I play the same file as mts, the output is surround. The bitrate of the audio is going up-down , no feezing.

Anybody noticed this? Is it a bug in MultiAVCHD?

[MrVideo]

That limitation is specific to Panasonic players? Peak or average bitrate?

Don't know. The number is from the AVCHD specs that I found on line as to what DVD playback can handle, i.e., how fast the data can be read off the DVD drive before it starts to fold.

It is the value that I've set for x264 encoding if I'm going to make an AVCHD compatible disc. If I'm going to make a Blu-ray disc, then I open it up.

[IanD]

Does multiAVCHD handle the remapping of LPCM to Bluray order when creating a Bluray structure, or does it expect the source mkv/ts/m2ts to already have the LPCM in the correct order?

I'm getting really confused when using eac3to or clownbd to create a source file for multiAVCHD, whether correct mapping is happening through the chain: eac3to will remap Bluray LPCM to normal when creating an mkv for example, but if that mkv is subsequently used by multiAVCHD to create a new Bluray structure, the mapping will be incorrect unless multiAVCHD does a remapping.

[Vincent Vega]

i have a few sample Dolby Media Encoder output files, that i'd like to try to use to author a mini test blu ray. however none of the doom9 SWs seems to be able to recognize these files.
DD+ (Standard target) encode - .ec3 file
DD+ (BD target) encode - .eb3 file
TrueHD encode - .mlp file
is there any free tool that can properly handle such file formats to mux these audios into m2ts/mkv? if not, what commercial software is supposed to work with these file extensions?

[Music Fan]

I read somewhere that we could put MLP in MKA container. But I don't know if MultiAVCHD will be able to open it.

[Capsbackup]

deank or anyone that remembers, for some unknown reason after using multiAVCHD for quite some time, I start getting the 30 second delay changing between titles to blank when in Reauthor mode. :(
There was a fix for this, but after searching for quite some time and many pages, I cant find it. I am hoping someone, or Dean if your still following this thread, can help!:o

[BZeeme]

Check this area


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1411335&highlight=AVSInfo#post1411335

[Capsbackup]

Check this area


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1411335&highlight=AVSInfo#post1411335

Thank you kindly. :)

[deank]

deank or anyone that remembers, for some unknown reason after using multiAVCHD for quite some time, I start getting the 30 second delay changing between titles to blank when in Reauthor mode. :(
There was a fix for this, but after searching for quite some time and many pages, I cant find it. I am hoping someone, or Dean if your still following this thread, can help!:o

Check this area


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1411335&highlight=AVSInfo#post1411335

Thank you kindly. :)

Didn't get on time for that one :)

[deank]

I read somewhere that we could put MLP in MKA container. But I don't know if MultiAVCHD will be able to open it.

I'll need a sample file... Or you can rename to MKV and add it as 'external audio' - then check if it is recognized.

[deank]

Yes, I agree.

However, I get black thumbnails when creating Blu-rays out of DVD's, in which the video is re-encoded to H.264 (for testing purposes) and I get black thumbnails yet a perfect movie.

I'll test it tomorrow if I find time and will post back. I can't see a reason for back thumbs at all.

Dean

[deank]

I'm glad to announce another application called multiMAN which I created for PS3 consoles (which can run hombrew applications). It allows copying entire AVCHD or HDMV Blu-ray discs (no BD-J) to PS3's internal HDD and avoid using USB/SDHC/MS hdd/cards/sticks :)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/DSC00249_sm.JPG

In the next screenshots there is what you know as "SLIDE" menu in multiAVCHD, and which actually SLIDES :) to the left and right like a real slide/carousel menu. :)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/DSC00312_sm.JPG

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/DSC00319_sm.JPG

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/DSC00318_sm.JPG

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/DSC00275_sm.JPG

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/avchd_ps3.jpg

Dean

[Capsbackup]

@deank;
This looks interesting! I have not used a PS3 before, but it sure looks like some cool features. I keep thinking one of these days I may have to try one! I always believed they were more for gaming, which I don't really do, but you have opened my eyes to some neat alternatives... :)

[setarip_old]

@deank

Congratulations on your release of multiMAN!

That explains your recent absence ;>}

[MrVideo]

I'm not the only one waiting for the following enhancement, so I'll be the one to stick my neck out and ask...

Is mAVCHD going to be updated, in the near future, to have simple menu creation?

[Adub]

Very cool. If I had a PS3 I'd totally love you right now. ;)

[apollo13_2010]

I have a big problem with converting vids to avchd and sd-dvd.

I've tested my system with multiTEST and everything was fine.

I want to convert m2ts streams. The result ist a vid, thats seems to be filmed with a timelaps. So I searched the forum and I found in a thread, that this comes from a wrong fps - setting.

To this point, I had never changed this option. I used mediaInfo and became a framerate of 25 fps. That is the same as multiavchd has detected. So I changed in the transcode-menu the framerate from 'original' to 25.0

With this setting I get the following error in avisynth:

ConvertFPS: New frame rate too small. Must be greater than 33.3333 Increase or use 'zone='

I hope, you can help me...

[Adub]

Hmm, it sounds like you may be having some problems with your decoder.

What happens when you play the original file in a software player like Media Player Classic (Home Cinema)? Does it have this same effect?

Also, find the Avisynth script that MultiAVCHD generated for your complete encode, and play that in MPC. What happens? Is everything normal, or are there issues?

[apollo13_2010]

There are no problems playing the original vid (mpc and powerdvd), also the playback of the avs - script of the temp-folder is running without problems (I think it is normal, that there is no sound?).

[deank]

It seems that your video is not actually 25.000fps but more like 50.000. What is the source?

[apollo13_2010]

That's what mediainfo says:
Allgemein
ID : 1
Vollständiger Name : D:\hd_dvr\output\10.11.2010 22_13 Geheimnisse des Universums (Edited).m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
Dateigröße : 4,28 GiB
Dauer : 42min
Gesamte Bitrate : 14,5 Mbps
maximale Gesamtbitrate : 48,0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menü-ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format-Profil : High@L4.0
Format-Einstellungen für CABAC : Ja
Format-Einstellungen für ReFrame : 3 frames
Format_Settings_GOP : M=1, N=63
Codec-ID : 27
Dauer : 42min
Bitrate : 13,1 Mbps
Breite : 1 920 Pixel
Höhe : 1 080 Pixel
Bildseitenverhältnis : 16:9
Bildwiederholungsrate : 25,000 FPS
Standard : Component
ColorSpace : YUV
ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
Scantyp : Interlaced
Scanreihenfolge : oberes Feld zuerst
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.253
Stream-Größe : 3,88 GiB (91%)
colour_primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
transfer_characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
matrix_coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

[deank]

25fps interlaced is not supported in AVCHD/Blu-ray... It must be 50fps interlaced or 25fps progressive.

Force multiAVCHD to 50fps and see what will happen.

[shon3i]

25fps interlaced is not supported in AVCHD/Blu-ray... It must be 50fps interlaced or 25fps progressive.25 interlaced is allowed on Blu-Ray for 1080p

50i or 25p is not supported for blu-ray but is for AVCHD,

btw look here for allowed resolutions/fps combinations for blu-ray

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533

but with x264 and fake-interlaced and pulldown this can be done.

[Music Fan]

50i is supported by Avchd and BD. European AVCHD cameras turn in 50i. And I play without problem 50i videos on AVCHD.
25i doesn't exist.
But you are right about fake interlaced, we can make believe to the player that he plays 50i though he actually plays 25p with a flag.

[shon3i]

25i doesn't exist.But how you call 25fps video with interlaced coding?

[apollo13_2010]

25fps interlaced is not supported in AVCHD/Blu-ray... It must be 50fps interlaced or 25fps progressive.

Force multiAVCHD to 50fps and see what will happen.

I made a few tests:

change input - properties of 50 fps --> crash of x264.exe
change output - properties of 50 fps --> the same speedproblem as no changes on the framerate

I tested also the following:
no change on framerate, transcoding 2 pass hq --> [09:06:46] *** Encoding : Pass one - content: [02:09:32]
[09:06:46] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset slow --tune film -B 7030 --interlaced --direct spatial -p 1 --stats "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\x264-stats.txt" -I 25 --level 4 -i 4 -r 3 --mixed-refs -b 3 --weightb -m 2 -t 2 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 14 -A all --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --threads auto --thread-input --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 25 --no-mbtree -o NUL "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\20101123-090645-uncrop-running.avs"
[09:52:32] *** Speed P1 : 70.73 fps (elapsed: 00:45:46)
[09:52:32] *** Encoding : Pass two
[09:52:33] *** Encoding : x264 options: --preset slow --tune film -B 7030 --interlaced --direct spatial -p 2 --stats "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\x264-stats.txt" -I 25 --level 4 -i 4 -r 3 --mixed-refs -b 3 --weightb -m 6 -t 2 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 14 -A all --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 14000 --threads auto --thread-input --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --sar 1:1 --b-pyramid strict --slices 0 --weightp 0 --qpfile "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\IDR-x264-marks.txt" --rc-lookahead 25 --no-mbtree -o "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\04.07.2010 00_53 Radio Rock Revolution (Edited).[1920x1080-25.000].264" "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20101123\20101123-090645-uncrop-running.avs"
[09:52:34] *** Speed P2 : 102969.53 fps (elapsed: 00:00:01)
[09:52:34] *** Speed : 70.68 fps overall (elapsed: 00:45:48 - Realtime x 2.83)

[09:52:36] *** Transcoding failed!

transcoding with 1 pass insane: speedproblem

[Music Fan]

But how you call 25fps video with interlaced coding?
50i, even if the source is actually 25p (like movies on Pal dvd).
And for the 25p videos with a fake interlaced encoding, it's also 50i for the player (that's the aim of the trick).
Anyway, if the source is 25p (fake interlaced or not), the deinterlacing mode to choose in the player is "movie" (2:2 pulldown).
If it's real 50i (filmed in 50i, which means 50 different frames), one has to choose "video" mode.
Same reasoning for 30p (or 29.97) and 60i (or 59.94).

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!

Now that you've apparently run out of new projects (for the moment), perhaps those poor little orphaned HD-DVD chapters and subtitles and multiple languages...

[MrVideo]

Now that you've apparently run out of new projects (for the moment), perhaps those poor little orphaned HD-DVD chapters and subtitles and multiple languages...

Ah, but he hasn't run out of projects... see the posting above about the simple title capability. :D

[guru1968]

Hello,

now that I own this brand new Panasonic 3D Viera TV I wanted to give AVCHD @ SD-Card a try...

After some initial frustration I learned that the Viera TV needs it own special AVCHD format - which should be well covered by multiAVCHD 4.1 which I just tried
-- but I've come to even more questions and frustration:

so, what I did: I had two existing AVCHDs with menus and sorts like this which are not working on Panasonic Equippement -- I tried those two AVCHDs burned onto DVD+DLs with my Panasonic 3D Blu-Ray Player and it started playing the intro but at the point when the menu normally shows up, the player just powered-off itself :-(

so, I imported those two titles via "Import Folder" and they were recognized, perfect...

then I clicked on "Start", selected the PAL/50Hz TV/Camcorder setting and let the program do its work...

BUT, and this is the bug:
the final files which I should store onto the SD-Card:/Private folder are still bigger than 4GiB!!! - even though the option to split at 4000Mib was actually checked!
(there are in fact of the same size as the input files, so no splitting at all was done)


what else must I do in order to convert any AVCHDs into a proper format supported by my Viera TV?

<Edit> I thought this had to do with the fact that I was writing to a NTFS drive (no size limitation); so I set the output path to be the (FAT32) SDHC card itself...
no go - when copying passed the 4GiB size limit, the program fails with a "disc full" error ...

so this definitely is a bug - please fix it as soon as possible...

<Edit2> I found another AVCHD to play with - this already had the main .m2ts file seperated in 4GiB chunks so it fits on a FAT32 SDHC card...
I did the same as described above, when program was ready, I copied the AVCHD-folders content into the <SDCARD>:\PRIVATE folder - didn't work
the I renamed the PRIVATE folder to SD_VIDEO - this also did not work
-- The TV always says that it could not find any playable file :-((

pleeeease - what is going on here? you advertise multiAVCHD with every second word to be Panasonic Viera compatible - so why does it still not work then?

could you please reply with step-by-step instructions how to produce Panasonic conform AVCHD data plus the exact content of the SD-Card!?

p.s.
actually it looks like:
I:\SD_VIDEO\AVCHDTN\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\BDMV\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\HDAVCTN\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\IISVPL\...

before renaming it was:
I:\PRIVATE\AVCHDTN\...
I:\PRIVATE\BDMV\...
I:\PRIVATE\HDAVCTN\...
I:\PRIVATE\IISVPL\...

both of these variants do NOT work on the Panasonic Viera TV :-((

[alluringreality]

In order to have AVCHD compatibility with 11 sub-menus, I tried using DVD Architect Studio to create a non-java Blu-ray disc. I used multiAVCHD re-author to replace the video and add chapters. The AVCHD Strict option was used for the multiAVCHD output.

The files are in the quote from the following link. There is a report that the chapters from the above process do not work on a Panasonic DMP-BD85K. Any ideas on the chapter issue?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19557393#post19557393

EDIT: I think I'm going to try the process from http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1460405#post1460405 as a work-around way to try authoring 1080p/24 video as AVCHD with sub-menus.

[mrcool]

I have a small question regarding the feature set of multiAVCHD. I've successfully managed to convert mkv files to AVCHD. The AVCHD folders are then burned and I can watch them on my Blu-Ray Player. I could not however find an option for batch processing. What I mean by that is I would like to have one AVCHD per mkv file (per movie). Whenever I put in more mkv files they are all put into one AVCHD compilation. Is it possible to put in 10 files and let the PC run over night to process and have 10 AVCHDs on your harddrive afterwards? Thanks for any suggestions!

[mpucoder]

You must have a lot of computers to be making all these mkv files from your own Blu-Ray disks. How can the conversion to mkv be out-pacing the making of AVCHD? Wouldn't you want to automate the entire chain?

[deank]

Hello,

now that I own this brand new Panasonic 3D Viera TV I wanted to give AVCHD @ SD-Card a try...

p.s.
actually it looks like:
I:\SD_VIDEO\AVCHDTN\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\BDMV\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\HDAVCTN\...
I:\SD_VIDEO\IISVPL\...

before renaming it was:
I:\PRIVATE\AVCHDTN\...
I:\PRIVATE\BDMV\...
I:\PRIVATE\HDAVCTN\...
I:\PRIVATE\IISVPL\...

both of these variants do NOT work on the Panasonic Viera TV :-((

If you read the log from multiAVCHD you'll find that the correct path is

1) I:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\INDEX.BDM
2) When you load your AVCHD folders click [properties] and change the processing to FULL-MODE (you'll see [f] in front of the titles and not [p]).

Dean