multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[deank]

Explain to me what you're doing and I'll help you.

What is "AVCHD file"?

Do you add a folder or a single file?

[pel0quin]

Explain to me what you're doing and I'll help you.

What is "AVCHD file"?

Do you add a folder or a single file?

I drag AVCHD_old, then add a BDMV folder and import the play list, the input file is 8 gig in length and the output file is the same

hope that helps

[Atak_Snajpera]

3) When people request features and I decide to add them in multiAVCHD I'd rather not qualify them as "stupid". A "feature" is something that can be used or not but still available to user's choice.

When you implement something you should always ask yourself if it's really worth it? You decided to add options which only destroy main idea and it also causes GUI to look less user friendly (options , options , options ...). You don't have to do everything only because some user was crying. Over and out. (for now)

I do not belittle your contribution, but please appreciate mine.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1288305#post1288305

multiAVCHD is a program not for you and not for me only.

Sometimes I forget :)

Who wants grey alternative?
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8343/new1y.th.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=new1y.png)

[deank]

@pel0quin:

So you're adding a folder, not a file.

1) Enable [x] Prompt to import playlists in Settings tab
2) Your imported folder should have ALL files in long name format - 00000.m2ts 00000.cpi 00000.mpls - otherwise it won't work if you're using tsMuxeR 1.9.9
3) When you drag BDMV folder into multiAVCHD and get the prompt "Import individual playlists..." answer with "ok" and select the playlist you need (or all).

You will see your playlist in Media Tab marked as [p] or [f].

@Atak_Snajpera:

Yes, GUI is not as user-friendly as I'd like it to be. When I find time I'll redesign it. It's not a priority right now. Users' requests for things made multiAVCHD what it is now, no matter how the GUI looks. I've seen much-much-much worse looking applications.

[pel0quin]

@pel0quin:

So you're adding a folder, not a file.

1) Enable [x] Prompt to import playlists in Settings tab
2) Your imported folder should have ALL files in long name format - 00000.m2ts 00000.cpi 00000.mpls - otherwise it won't work if you're using tsMuxeR 1.9.9
3) When you drag BDMV folder into multiAVCHD and get the prompt "Import individual playlists..." answer with "ok" and select the playlist you need (or all).

You will see your playlist in Media Tab marked as [p] or [f].


Thanks for that, I am using all the settings that you have said as above, my guess is that it will be the file names then, I will try to add the larger files and see what happens... thanks for clarifing as I was starting to think I was going nutty...

[benchmarkjoe]

Download the FULL SETUP (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/download.php), not just the updated .exe.

****

Build 607+:

* Preview for CAR menu is available
* Preview for XMB menu now shows bordered thumbs if option is used

Dean[/QUOTE]

Dear Deank, thanks you for very fast response.

[nicchap]

As as developper myself, I tend to avoid "creative blockage" created by others. Atak_Snajpera has definetely helped out in creating the Carousel menuing system, but as far as I am concerned, is no longer contributing positively. Continue on with "your" excellent creative ideas Dean!

@Atak_Snajpera: Please give up your stronghold on your initial idea. I totally appreciate it, but your communication style is quite, how do we say, not very open and downright annoying. Otherwise, write your own, or change your style.

Enough said, let's carry on.

Nic.

[drpaulng]

When you implement something you should always ask yourself if it's really worth it? You decided to add options which only destroy main idea and it also causes GUI to look less user friendly (options , options , options ...). You don't have to do everything only because some user was crying. Over and out. (for now)


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1288305#post1288305


Sometimes I forget :)

Who wants grey alternative?
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8343/new1y.th.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=new1y.png)

I want the gray alternative. Would some of the user-designers upload some basic background pictures in 1920x1080 for whomever who wants to use them? I am wearing clothes designed by whoever who I don't know. Just choose your own, dating back 1000 years, maybe I'd have my own design because of unavailability. Thanks Atak!

Edit: By the way, I think Atak is trying to perfect multiAVCHD in some way. It is good to have different combinations. 2 colored T-shirts match with 2 colored pants could make 4 combination of matches...but you may be half-naked too. It's good to have variations and choose your own need.

[jbeale]

Why don't you rename it to .m2ts and try again? You can try to rename it to .trp, too

I renamed my HDV .m2t file to .m2ts but I got the same error, eac3to refused to convert audio. Below is the eac3to log, same error as before. It says "unknown parameters", is multiAVCHD sending a bad parameter string to eac3to ?

eac3to v3.16
command line: "H:\Video-Software\AVCHD\eac3to316\eac3to.exe" "H:\DL\JCC-April26-2009\JCC-T2-2009_04_26-15_31_46.m2ts" 2: "c:\_temp\jcc-t2-2009_04_26-15_31_46.m2ts.t2.ac3" -384
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TS, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 0:03:14, 60i /1.001
1: MPEG2, 1440x1080 60i /1.001 (16:9)
2: E-AC3, unknown parameters
3: MP2, 2.0 channels, 384kbps, 48khz, 1ms
Bitstream parsing for track 2 failed. <WARNING>
Demuxing this track may still produce correct results - or not. <WARNING>
[a02] Extracting audio track number 2...
Video track 1 contains 5819 frames.
eac3to processing took 8 seconds.
Done.

[jbeale]

So I've tried renaming my HDV camcorder video from the original .m2t to .ts, .m2ts and .trp and made three separate AVCHD discs. When renaming to .ts or .trp, I get a disk that plays ok in my PS3 except that there is no audio track (as you'd expect from the error message during compilation). When renaming to .m2ts, not only is there no audio, but also the menu thumbnail shows random colored blocks instead of video, and no video can be played (although that time I also tried a different menu style, "carousel" instead of XMB so that may make a difference too).

I'm thinking there must be something simple to get my Mpeg1 Layer2 audio out of my HDV file and converted to AC3. Has no one has tried to do this before? If I provide a short sample .m2t file for download, would that help? I'd really love for this to work, seems like I'm so close...

I have other ways to author AVCHD but they require re-encoding the video which is very slow, and unnecessary since it's already playable in the PS3. multiAVCHD would be just about perfect if I got the audio working.

[jbeale]

Ok, it looks like eac3to for some reason believes I have three tracks in my HDV program stream, it's trying to extract audio from the second track (which is who knows what, I'm not sure it's real anyway). The real audio is what eac3to is calling the third track, and when I modified the command string as below, it appears to work, and generates an .ac3 file that Nero Showtime can play ok.

C:\>"eac3to.exe" "H:\DL\Test1.ts" 3: "c:\_temp\Test1.ts.t3.ac3" -384
TS, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 0:03:14, 60i /1.001
1: MPEG2, 1440x1080 60i /1.001 (16:9)
2: E-AC3, unknown parameters
3: MP2, 2.0 channels, 384kbps, 48khz, 1ms
Bitstream parsing for track 2 failed.
Demuxing this track may still produce correct results - or not.
a03 Extracting audio track number 3...
a03 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a03 Applying RAW/PCM delay...
a03 Encoding AC3 <384kbps> with libAften...
a03 Creating file "c:\_temp\Test1.ts.t3.ac3"...
Video track 1 contains 5819 frames.
eac3to processing took 14 seconds.
Done.

UPDATE: All my tests had been using raw .m2t files direct from my Sony HDR-FX1 camcorder (captured by the freeware HDVSplit program). I just tried using some .m2t files which had been edited and written out by Sony Vegas 8, and they work OK! (after changing the extension to .ts as before). Specifically, eac3to recognizes them has having only two tracks; video and audio, and selects the correct (audio) track to convert.

eac3to v3.16
command line: "eac3to.exe" "H:\test2.ts" 2: "c:\_temp\test2.ts.t2.ac3" -384
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TS, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 0:00:30, 60i /1.001
1: MPEG2, 1440x1080 60i /1.001 (16:9)
2: MP2, 2.0 channels, 224kbps, 48khz
[a02] Extracting audio track number 2...
[a02] Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
[a02] Encoding AC3 <384kbps> with libAften...
[a02] Creating file "c:\_temp\test2.ts.t2.ac3"...
Video track 1 contains 892 frames.
eac3to processing took 2 seconds.
Done.

So with some .m2t files, eac3to should to use track 3 as audio (raw camera HDV files), and some use track 2 (rendered HDV from editor). Is there some way to (1) recognize the .m2t file extension as a .ts filetype, and (2) get eac3to to automatically just use the first track found which is a recognizable audio track? Or add all valid audio tracks? Or at least, not select out the one track which is not valid audio?

[drpaulng]

@jbeale

.ts and m2ts(mts) are not the same, 192 byte vs 188 byte packet size:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream

read down the lines and you'll find the following passage:
Random-access based systems may save data packets into a temporary buffer if a storage device is not ready, for example on device startup. Packets are written out of order, and to keep track of them, a 4-byte timecode (TC) is added to standard 188-byte packets. The result is a 192-byte packet. This is what is informally called M2TS stream. Sony calls it "BDAV MPEG-2 transport stream". JVC calls it TOD (possibly an abbreviation for "Transport stream on disc") when used in HDD-based camcorders like GZ-HD7.[8] M2TS transport stream is also used for AVCHD video files, which often have MTS extension.

upload your original sample 4MB, small size, We are interested to see if it has 2 audio tracks???

[jbeale]

upload your original sample 4MB, small size, We are interested to see if it has 2 audio tracks???

Thanks for your help, I did not know about the packet sizes.

I put a very small HDV clip, about 3.5 MB (1 second long) on my web page here, please have a look and see what you think.

http://www.bealecorner.com/D30/misc/HDV-test-2009_05_22-20_36_19.m2t
(http://www.bealecorner.com/D30/misc/HDV-test-2009_05_22-20_36_19.m2t)

If I try to use it (after changing the name to foo.ts) eac3to refuses to convert as usual, and the log file gives the usual report about this clip:

TS, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 0:00:01
1: MPEG2, unknown parameters
2: E-AC3, unknown parameters
3: MP2, 2.0 channels, 384kbps, 48khz, 13ms

[johns0]

Run the m2t file thru tmpgenc demultiplexer and then multiplex it back to mpg,it will then be accepted.

[jbeale]

Run the m2t file thru tmpgenc demultiplexer and then multiplex it back to mpg,it will then be accepted.

Appreciate the help, I did not realize that. Ideally it would be nice if the program could accept it directly, though.

[johns0]

Glad to help,looks like sony uses its own proprietary container for hd mpeg2 files,that way you gotta use their own software to author and edit until you found better ways.

[jbeale]

looks like sony uses its own proprietary container for hd mpeg2 files,that way you gotta use their own software to author and edit until you found better ways.

Possibly, although multiAVCHD is the first HD-capable software I have found that does not work with my HDV files. Almost all my other editing, authoring and viewing programs work ok with it, maybe there is one that doesn't. Hopefully there is some simple way to make multiAVCHD compatible also?

[munkcow]

Love your program!

Is there a way I can set(force) the ms audio delay for each individual file?
Tsmuxer doesn't always accurately detect the delay on my 1080i mpeg2.ts files:(

Thanks!

[deank]

I put a very small HDV clip, about 3.5 MB (1 second long) on my web page here, please have a look and see what you think.

If I try to use it (after changing the name to foo.ts) eac3to refuses to convert as usual, and the log file gives the usual report about this clip...


Extracted subs from...


[10:36:10] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.7 (build 607)

[10:36:10] Current output mode will include
[10:36:10] maximum of 252 titles.

[10:36:10] Processing 2 input files/folders.
[10:36:10] Processing (C:\Users\Dean Kasabow\Desktop\SD_TEST\DVR-TRP\TVR HD @11a200fc.trp)...
[10:36:11] Demuxing video from TRP container...
[10:36:20] Detected frame reference count: 4 (max:4).
[10:36:20] Detected video: ID#1510:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=25.000, ref=4
[10:36:20] Track#1500 delay: -564ms
[10:36:20] Track has 2 channels.
[10:36:20] Encoding TRP audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[10:36:25] Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[10:36:25] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[10:36:25] Adding subtitles (TVR HD @11a200fc.srt) (und)
[10:36:25] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[10:36:25] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[10:36:25] Inserting auto chapters...
[10:36:25] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

[10:36:35] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[10:36:35] Processing playlist files...
[10:36:35] Title added: "TVR HD @11a200fc trp"

[10:36:37] Will use chapter marks: 00:00:00;00:00:16;00:00:32;00:00:49;
[10:36:37] Processing (C:\Users\Dean Kasabow\Desktop\SD_TEST\DVR-TRP\HDV-test-2009_05_22-20_36_19.ts)...
[10:36:38] Detected video: ID#2064:V_MPEG-2 1440x1080, fps=29.970
[10:36:38] Detected display AR: 1920x1080 (AR:1.78)
[10:36:38] Track#2068 delay: 85ms
[10:36:38] Track has 2 channels.
[10:36:38] Encoding MPEG audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[10:36:39] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[10:36:39] Trying to demux it...
[10:36:39] Encoding to AC3 (second try)...
[10:36:40] Second try succeeded! Adding AC3 encoded audio track...
[10:36:40] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[10:36:40] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[10:36:40] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[10:36:40] Inserting auto chapters...
[10:36:40] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

[10:36:41] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00001.m2ts
[10:36:41] Processing playlist files...
[10:36:41] Title added: "HDV-test-2009 05 22-20 36 19"

[10:36:41] Will use chapter marks: 00:00:00;00:00:00;00:00:00;00:00:00;
[10:36:41] Preparing authoring information...
[10:36:41] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[10:36:41] Setting menu for 2 titles...
[10:36:41] STOP command after title #2 inserted.
[10:36:41] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[10:36:41] Setting menu properties...
[10:36:41] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[10:36:41] Completed.
[10:36:41] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[10:36:41] Done!
[10:36:43] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TS TRP TEST folder created!
[10:36:43] Rename D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_TS TRP TEST to AVCHD and copy it to root of USB drive or USB disk.
[10:36:43] Deleting only files in temp folder (D:\_TEMP\)...
[10:36:43] You may now remove temp folder (D:\_TEMP\).
[10:36:43] Your compilation contains 0hrs 3min 26sec of video material.

[10:36:43] multiAVCHD finished in 32 seconds (00:00:32)!

[10:36:43] End of log.


Update your multiAVCHD.

* Added support for external subtitles for TRP files
* Added second try for MPEG audio for TS/M2TS/TRP processing

Dean

@munkcow: multiAVCHD does not use tsMuxeR for audio delay detection, but mediainfo. No, you can't put your own values at this time. If there is a serious async - try to parse the file again, but rename it to .trp.

[deank]

...multiAVCHD is the first HD-capable software I have found that does not work with my HDV files. Almost all my other editing, authoring and viewing programs work ok with it, maybe there is one that doesn't. Hopefully there is some simple way to make multiAVCHD compatible also?

Update to 607+ and let me know if it works now. There is no line of comparison between multiAVCHD and all-your-other-editing-authoring-viewing programs.

You can now load your .M2T files without renaming them. If it still doesn't work - rename them to .ts and give it a try.

Dean

[kenguru2005]

Before I disappear to a congress for 5 days I would like to mention one more thing. This peace of software does support such a variety of formats, does offer such I nice choice of different menus. Of course mirror effect and such things are nice to look at ... but hey: who cares.

http://home.arcor.de/dhc69/pic/car01.png

[Atak_Snajpera]

Of course mirror effect and such things are nice to look at ... but hey: who cares.
We have saying in Poland. "Everything must have arms and legs" I hope you know what I mean.

[kenguru2005]

We have saying in Poland. "Everything must have arms and legs" I hope you know what I mean.

I know I know .... but to get some basic life you need at least some heart, brain, liver, kidney ....

And as we say in Germany: "Schönheit kommt von Innen" (Beauty comes from inside)

[strad]

hello Dean,
probably I missed something during the discussion: the "add chapter" button in Title properties is not yet active?

[tkamp]

Hi Dean,

I just made a compilation with a DVD, where I told it to use thumbnail at 28 sec.
But multiAVCHD used thumbnail at 38 sec.
The DVD is 25fps.

Is there an explanation for this, or am I doing something wrong...

[Mtz]

* Added support for external subtitles for TRP files
* Added second try for MPEG audio for TS/M2TS/TRP processing

Nice. Thank you.
But seems the audio delay is not OK on the same files I sent to you for test.
Another thing: I was trying to mux the SUP exported from bdsup2sub from the CANAL PLus 2 Audio 2 subtitles.trp and I see no subtitle in MPCHC.
In the future is hard for me to test TRP files becaus I have no surce. Maybe some users will join the thread with more samples.
Regarding TRP and subtitles maybe someday will be possible to extract them (closed captions as teletext type or DVB Subtitles type), resize to the video resolution with bdsup2sub and finally mux them. eac3to can detect the DVB Subtitles but cannot extract them. Maybe madshi will add this feature and the author of bdsup2sup will import them. For teletext subtitles the only option I know is CCExtractor, but when inside the TS is another DVB Subtitle, CCE cannot extract.

Regarding the carousel menu (which looks great), from the screenhots the only thing is not nice are the grey arrows(buttons). Maybe some 3D black button with white will be nicer.

Regarding the guy, can you add some baloon description for what is the "Change first srt timmimg" option?

Regarding playback, the TRP files tested are not working with ffdshow, but OK with coreavc.

enjoy,
Mtz

[v_o_r_t_e_x]

Maybe somebody else already noticed: Dean's tool has been mentioned in the very popular german magazin "c'T - magazin für computer technik". :thanks:

[strad]

Thanks for the hint!
It´s not just popular but also the computer magazin with highest reputation over here. The mentioned article will be in the next volume published on Monday. Maybe I get it already round the corner....

[deank]

That's nice :) really.

I created my own SLIDE menu:

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_SL1.jpg

Even with reflections it takes even less time than the XMB menu.

[jbeale]

Update to 607+ and let me know if it works now. There is no line of comparison between multiAVCHD and all-your-other-editing-authoring-viewing programs.

You can now load your .M2T files without renaming them. If it still doesn't work - rename them to .ts and give it a try.
Dean

Thanks for the quick response! Yes, it does now accept the .m2t filename without renaming. It was able to extract the audio from rendered .m2t with no error, and it got an error on first try with raw camera .m2t but then it tries a second time and works, and finishes the project.

Just ONE problem: the final project has perfect audio, but no video! I tried a project with four .m2t files, and I can hear the sound on each one when playing the DVD+RW in my PS3, but there is no video track on any of them.

Really appreciate your work on this; let me know if there's any more details I can provide.

[deank]

Can you try one sample but rename it to .TRP and try again in your PS3?

[strad]

Dean: I created my own SLIDE menu:
that´s much better, because you then don´t have to argue with strange characters...
It looks wonderful!

[zoner]

@deank
a simple yet great addition to the title editor would be to add a Forward/Backward button so i can just skip through the titles with less hassle....it is significant when editing many titles :)

[jbeale]

Can you try one sample but rename it to .TRP and try again in your PS3?

Success! I renamed my files to .ts and they all worked, both raw Sony camera HDV and Vegas edited HDV files, both audio and video OK.

So all you need to do is set a flag to handle .m2t just like .ts and it will be 100% working with HDV format. Thank you!

[deank]

It is not possible, because tsMuxeR will not accept M2T files. I tried that already. I'm glad it worked, even with having to rename your files.

Dean

[tkamp]

It's saturday evening, and I just thought you should have some spending money for a pizza and a coke.

[deank]

Thanks!

About thumbnails and DVDs... I had no problems with originally imported DVD titles. If you're using already muxed by multiAVCHD compilations (i.e. playlists or m2ts files) then there may be some difference.

Title properties "preview" was implemented mostly experimental and for fast info about loaded title...

Dean

[tkamp]

In the original DVD the thumbnail I wanted is at 28 sec.
In the muxed m2ts the same frame is at 21 sec.
I solved the issue, but it is a little strange...

[tkamp]

Hi Dean

Know I have been fidleling with this thumbnail-thing the whole evening.
Somehow the m2ts changes the timeframes.
Anyways - the thumbnails that you use in the edit/preview are comming from the vob-file right?
Why not extract the thumbnail from the vob at this point instead of from the m2ts at the end of the authoring?
That would make the thumbnail more exact (wysiwyg)

[deank]

The problem is that for PREVIEW - mplayer is used, because it is faster. When menu is created, depending on [x] Use Directshow option, multiAVCHD will use either mplayer or Directshow to extract thumbnails.

You can uncheck "Use directshow" in Author tab and see if the generated output will have the thumbs at requested positions.

I can make multiAVCHD use directshow for preview, too, but it will be much slower (but correct) - not for DVDs though.

I did a minor update to the exe - Title name in Slide menu is affected by color/outline settings in Menu tab. Reflection is boosted a bit.

Dean

[deank]

In latest build Directshow is used for precise preview in Title Editor/Properties. It works for all files and avchd/bd playlists, but not for DVDs.

If anyone is willing to support multiAVCHD by providing me with FTP access to an HTTP server for multiAVCHD.exe updating purposes it will be great. It will require 700kb of web space and some bandwidth of course.

Dean

[drpaulng]

Background pictures for multiAVCHD SLIDE MENU. The 1920x1080.jpg is designed specially for SLIDE MENU. These pictures have a common feature. The bottom half is black. This helps blending in with "reflection" of the thumbs at the lower half. They are intended to be used freely, and to be modified with no restriction. (more to be added)...

The color may not be correct when being shown by computer monitor. A free AVCHD version of "AVSHD 709 V1.2B" can be downloaded from AVS forum for HDTV calibration.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496


http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8347/graybgforslidemenumulti.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9387/color1z.jpg

[deank]

Preview is now available for Slide menu, too:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_SLIpreview.jpg

[deank]

GUI is redesigned.

A lot of changes for Author and Menu tabs. "XSC" tab added (XMB/Slide/Carousel options).

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_author.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_menu.jpg

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_xsc.jpg

Dean

[desray]

Wow thanks deank! This slide menu is even better than the carousel menu!!! Yea! Keep it up!

[Atak_Snajpera]

@Deank
Why do use --threads 1 instead of --threads auto? I have quad core and x264 uses only 25% power.

Is it possible to change default "->" arrow? It does not look "stylish" :)

[deank]

Everywhere in the source is used "--threads auto --thread-input". I don't know why/where do you see "1".

No, at this time I can't change the arrow. I have no way of editing IGSs.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Everywhere in the source is used "--threads auto --thread-input". I don't know why/where do you see "1".
Ok. So it looks like that functions in script is bottleneck. Will you be interested with gray alternative (carousel)?

[deank]

If it uses new/different images all have to be packed in the .dat file, which will require full update and it's getting bigger and bigger :(. If it is possible for you to generate base PNG/BMPs which to be used with different carousel backgrounds/themes - it will be better.

You can for example prepare current-theme images with script functions in avisynth before applying to the final image. Then it will be possible to use any shade/color for carousel instead of different images for each theme.

Dean

[Atak_Snajpera]

Only background will be different.