multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[deank]

It is the same way with Nero Showtime. Yes, I pointed out that nav-arrows won't show in PS3.

It took me two days to get it to this point. I'll release a version that will allow custom titles, but no arrows on PS3 (and probably SAPs).

Navigation should be done with RC. Menu screens will switch between page 1 and page 2 as set by a time value in seconds.

So far this is the best I can do until I can use a m2ts muxer that accepts IGS streams.

[Solaris]

Ok, I probably missed the bit about the arrows.
One other question. I am backing up some anamorphic DVDs with tvshows. I use x264 to encode without resizing and the use h264info to set the 16:9 aspectratio flag. I then mux with tsmuxer to .ts file. This file plays on the computer with correct aspectratio. When I play the .ts file on the PS3 by streaming with TVersity it also plays correctly. But when I use MultiAVCHD it seems to 'lose' the aspect ratio flag because it plays the show as 4:3. Is this a TSMuxer glitch when muxing to M2TS or do you strip-out the AR flag?

[deank]

No, multiAVCHD does not touch input files. All goes thru tsMuxer. AVCHD format uses square pixels (or AR 1:1) for resolutions: 1920x.... and 1280x...

[Solaris]

The shows I'm backing up are 720*576 pixels anamorphic 16:9. I guess then there is no way currently to get the correct AR when playing back. What would you need to do? Probably you would need to read the AR bit and change the AR of the pixels.

[deank]

After you generat AVCHD folder with multiAVCHD send me your MPL and CLI files. I will try something and you'll replace yours with what I'll send back to you. If it works I'll add this to next release.

[Solaris]

Here are the files. Thanks in advance. By the way great tool, works very well and easy and still has greater potential.

[vamsiklak]

If someone can test this AVCHD structure and see if it works for him:

multiAVCHD_v2rc (http://rapidshare.de/files/42936876/multiAVCHD_v2rc.rar.html) (3MB)

If you're going to burn the folder, use a tool to rename files to BD format.

This means can we add customize jpegs in the background and with customized audio!!!!!!!!???

this is great tool
good job man

[Solaris]

Here's a thought for you deank:
You mentioned earlier that you used Nero 8 Vision to create the menus. What if you give the user the option to create his own menus with Nero Vision, possibly with some rules layed out by you (size, max number of buttons etc) and you build-in the option to use the menus that you have created or use the users menus. That way the user can personalise his menus any way he wants.

[deank]

@Solaris: send the .rar via email, not here as an attachment. Letting users create their own menu renders this app useless. And it is merely impossible, as menu files and the whole AVCHD structure is really complicated. Really.

[deank]

Build 218 is released.

It will check if you're ready for custom menus (x264/AviSynth).

Go to "Authoring" and try to CHECK "Real title names". If you get it 'checked' then you're ready.

Menu files for custom PAL menus will be downloaded, too. Still multiAVCHD won't produce custom menus. I need a bit more time to finish it and to compile NTSC menus, too.

As usual, this version has backward compatibility and I'll try for v 2.0 to keep it that way. Just a simple .exe update.

[Glorioso]

Build 218 is released.

It will check if you're ready for custom menus (x264/AviSynth).

Go to "Authoring" and try to CHECK "Real title names". If you get it 'checked' then you're ready.

Menu files for custom PAL menus will be downloaded, too. Still multiAVCHD won't produce custom menus. I need a bit more time to finish it and to compile NTSC menus, too.

As usual, this version has backward compatibility and I'll try for v 2.0 to keep it that way. Just a simple .exe update.
I've noticed a "custom jpg" option... what are the dimensions needed?

[deank]

Whatever the dimensions are, image will be resized to 1920x1080. So it is better to use 1920x1080 jpg/bmp.

[rendez2k]

Sorry, I'm confused - do any of the custom menu options work yet (background or custom titles)?

[deank]

Still multiAVCHD won't produce custom menus. I need a bit more time to finish it and to compile NTSC menus, too.

Just couple of posts up.

[Glorioso]

Sorry, I'm confused - do any of the custom menu options work yet (background or custom titles)?

Custom titles didn't work here, tomorrow i'll give it another try.

[deank]

Did you ever bother to read what I wrote?

DID YOU?Аман от прости и неграмотни!

[Glorioso]

Did you ever bother to read what I wrote?

DID YOU?Аман от прости и неграмотни!

This part?:stupid:

Still multiAVCHD won't produce custom menus.

NO!!! I was to excited to read it... sorry!!!

[kaid]

Oh, don't we just love spending hours of our time to write software for people who can't even be assed to spend a few seconds to read a few postings before babbling off? ;-)

Two things:

1) Aspect Ratio tweaks will never work on the PS3 (hello nHD!), pixels in AVC are always supposed to be squared. One exception though: 1440x1080. Supposedly this is the one resolution where Sony allows non-square pixels (cause some of their own cameras record in that res! ;-)

2) What's all this stuff about a "Mac Version" of MultiAVCHD for a "Windows Emulator" in MacOS? Why would you need a custom version if it runs in an Emulator? Wasn't that the whole point about emulators, to run software as-is? Apart from stuff doing low-level hardware access I couldn't think of any program that will not run in VirtualPC, VMware etc!...

[Solaris]

@kaid:
I beg to differ about AR. I encoded several tvshows at 720*576 in AVC, set the AR in h264info at '4' and muxed with audio. This plays as anamorphic on PS3 (streaming with TVersity) so in this casethe pixels are not square (1:1.4222).
Check on the AVCHD information site http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html. Videosignals 480/60i and 576/50i can be played both at 4:3 and at 16:9.

[G_M_C]

deank just a heads up:

Seems my tests give mixed results. removing the nal-hrd might not be the good thing to do. I think we need help / or another muxer that does parse the stream, and places correct nal-hrd units.

[deank]

@Solaris: streaming or playing via XMB has nothing to do with AVCHD playback. Also about AVCHD 16:9 or 4:3 - these are ARs but pixels might still be sqare. Can you send me a sample to check it myself?

@kaid: about the emulators... I'm using a free program tool to create multiAVCHD - it is called CalcIt (http://www.calcitapp.com/). I have no control over how the core handles some operations. When I use sockets/http - multiAVCHD crashes in windows emulator under MacOS.

[GenesisPT]

Sorry to insist about this but, when I play, on the PS3, the m2ts file inside the AVCHD disk the video is centered (black bars at the top and bottom) but if the disk plays automatically the video is aligned at the top. Does anybody know how this can be fixed?

[openBA]

deank great idea, very nice work!

I tested it with 2 titles, created multiBD with PAL lite menu on DVD+RW. Both titles was NC. The settings was all defaults, except <delete temp> and <move files> was off. There was no alerts in log.

On Samsung BD-P1500 multiBD DVD+RW works almost perfect with visible menu with two titles, both playable.

On Sony PS3 (BIOS.2.51 and 2.60) all I can see is your menu background image with no titles. There is no way to select title.

I checked tutorial and quickly looked over past 24 pages, but still have no idea, what is wrong. I'm very sorry if I'm overlooked something.

[deank]

Custom titles and custom background now work (build 227).

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/snapshot20090122163427.jpg

[nwg]

Custom titles and custom background now work (build 227).


Well done.

[deank]

I'm rearranging the Authoring tab.

It looks like a mess and it is not clear (to new users) how to create

* the old motion menu
* lite menu with all titles shown
* lite menu with used titles only
* lite menu with custom title names

I'll try to add option to chose color for title names... and some other things.

[Erdelamoto]

Thanks Again Dean.
Great tool with great updates.

[Solaris]

Hello Deank,

The new menu works fine with AVCHD folder on a usb stick on the PS3, i tested it with 2 5 second clips. It also works with PowerDVD on the PC.
By the way, the 720x576 PAL anamorphic problem seems to have been solved. It now plays the short clips on PS3 in widescreen as it should. I will try again later this evening with some more clips, also some 720*480 NTSC anamorphic shows. I'll let you know what the outcome is.
Good show old boy!

[deank]

Authoring TAB is a bit different now:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiavchd_authoring.jpg

[B4tm4n]

2) What's all this stuff about a "Mac Version" of MultiAVCHD for a "Windows Emulator" in MacOS? Why would you need a custom version if it runs in an Emulator? Wasn't that the whole point about emulators, to run software as-is? Apart from stuff doing low-level hardware access I couldn't think of any program that will not run in VirtualPC, VMware etc!...

The program works under VirtualPC, VMware etc as is.
Its just under wine it crashes.

[deank]

multiAVCHD is one month old now :)

I think we've accomplished great things for these 30 days with all these 230 builds.

I have a request for some of you who use NTSC Playstation 3 and PAL/NTSC stand-alone players.

Please test if version 2.0 with custom created top menu works on your hardware. Please if you can test burning to DVD and copying to USB.

Your reports will be much appreciated.

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Note on version 2.0: At this point importing AVCHD folders that were created with older versions of multiAVCHD may not work properly. I'll look into it.

Dean Kasabow

[xeniste]

Hi Deank,

Really great job, thanx !

But - I have accurately real ALL - how to create custom menus, i.e how to change text and its background?

[deank]

I don't understand your post.

Go to authoring and select:

[x] Create top menu
[x] Static menu (lite)
[x] Create custom menu

Select your image file in the Background field. Select your TV system.

[dvgeek]

Dean - Cannot download v2 - getting a blank page when I click on the link - also tried from your home page.

Thanks.

[deank]

My bad. Link is fixed now.

[xeniste]

I don't understand your post.

Go to authoring and select:

[x] Create top menu

That's what I do.

[x] Static menu (lite)

That's what I do.

[x] Create custom menu

That's what I do.

Select your image file in the Background field. Select your TV system.

Yes, my bad - not seen.

Then, I have a BD-folders without the possibility to change titles text.

And one more thing : the 2 last times. I had this :
(R) Invalid floating point operation - Line 23
(RT) Access violation at address 00981F2C in module 'calclib.dll'. Read of address 00000018 - Line 1578

No log created, folders incomplete.

Where is the problem ? Version 232.

[deank]

When do you get this error?

And when you start multiAVCHD be patient. Sometimes it loads slowly. A lot of people double/triple start it and it leads to similar problems.

Title TEXT is not editable at this point. File/folder names are used.

[xeniste]

When do you get this error?

At the whole end of the job - something like "populating title menu", then, the window withe the firts line, OK pressed, the second window with the second line - and the program closes.

And when you start multiAVCHD be patient. Sometimes it loads slowly. A lot of people double/triple start it and it leads to similar problems.

I know it since the very beginning and always launch it twice or even 3 times, then I see the log tab.

Title TEXT is not editable at this point. File/folder names are used.

You mean - source files/folders names?

[deank]

If you get the error at "Populating..." then the problem is with your x264/AviSynth... or may be temp cleanup. Update again.

[xeniste]

???????????

x264 downloaded following your link - core 65 r1074M b6bb3d4.

AviSynth dowoloaded at the well konwn SourceForge version 258.

What is wrong?

[deank]

I don't know.

Let's not make this thread a chat room. Please use PM.

Update to build 233. RESTART your computer and try again with one title just for check. Few hundred people already use it and don't get this error.

[openBA]

Hi deank, great, great job!

But before adding another new functionalities, could you please solve open compatibility issues.

Short results for build 231:
1) multiBD with 2 NC titles on DVD+RW:

- Samsung BD-R1500, menu with file names - ok, selectable - ok, scaling and sound problems - as before, but mostly could be resolved

- Sony PS3, first time (please see a few posts back) I see the menu with titles (file names). Menu is not selectable because there is no cursor. It is possible to select titles over PS3 "options" submenu but in my case becasue of scaling and sound problems for NC files there was black screen and no sound!

2) multiAVCHD on USB HD on PS3 same result as with multiBD


I checked created BDMV folders with BDedit and found in both NC titles wrong data in mpls and clpi files:
1. title was according to MediInfo 976x544p, 23.976, 16/9 but in BDMV directory it was unknown resolution, 23,976, 4:3
2. title was 720x436p, 25fps, 2.35, in BDMV also wrong: unknown, 25, 4:3
"Apply compliant height..." was checked

I also had a delayed sound of a few minutes in first title http://forum.doom9.org/images/smilies/confused.gif
The second one was fine! Both are AC3, 6ch, 384kbps.

Again, no alerts in log file.

And at last, first title had subtitles, which was not included, even "add SRT subtitles" was checked.

Most of remuxing problems are probably connected to tsMuxer, but IMHO this should be solved by multiAVCHD.

[kaid]

Sorry to insist about this but, when I play, on the PS3, the m2ts file inside the AVCHD disk the video is centered (black bars at the top and bottom) but if the disk plays automatically the video is aligned at the top. Does anybody know how this can be fixed?

Maybe you should ask IF it can be fixed, not HOW! Cause it pretty much looks like it never will (maybe if some glitch or irregular behaviour is found in Sony's Player).. AVCHD supports exactly 3 resolutions: 1280x720, 1920x1080 and 1440x1080. That is it! That notwithstanding, MultiAVCHD is the *first* and to my knowledge *only* tool that lets you add cropped video that is not in these 3 resolutions, and deank had the brilliant idea of clearing the framebuffer with a black full-size snippet before the actual track that gets rid of the green bars! So instead of bitching and moaning, why don't you go ahead and READ THE FIRST GODDAMN POST IN THIS THREAD????

Jesus Christ, now they even insist about being annoying and not being able to read...

That notwithstanding: deank, didn't the PS3 show green bars on the top and bottom if you didn't set a vertical resolution (like TSmuxer does on cropped video according to you)? Wouldn't that, combined with your clearing of the framebuffer, center the video? Or would downscaling occur all the time (i didn't test the downscaling as much as you did, i only tried AVCHDing cropped video once, and it downscaled to 480p, and that was it for me! ;-)

[zoner]

How do I check what resolution my PS3 is outputting when playing a BD?

[kaid]

Custom titles and custom background now work (build 227).

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/snapshot20090122163427.jpg

Great work there, deank! ;-) I wish I could use this in MacOS/Linux. And no, I don't run Windows, not even in an Emulator. That was the whole point about switching away from Windows, Windows-Emulators are like methadone: Nice for a short while to get the junkie off the smack, but just a makeshift interim solution in order to be "clean" in the long haul! ;-)

P.S: It's funny you chose the same copperplate typeface as me in your menu gfx! ;-D

[kaid]

How do I check what resolution my PS3 is outputting when playing a BD?

Normally, TVs and Monitors show the current resolution in some onscreen menu or in a top corner when switching. But usually I don't even need to bring up any menu or anything, i just press Triangle and see how big the control gfx are! ;-) There's just 3 sizes: 480p, 720p and 1080p, and you quickly learn to tell them apart...

[nwg]

Latest version doesn't work on my Samsung BDP 1500 player. I have never had a problem like this before.

It starts the disc and shows the menu briefly (no titles) and then stops the DVD. I selected PAL lite custom menu.

I had the standard PAL lite menu working before so will go back and try that again.

The standard lite menu works fine and shows the right number of titles.

[deank]

But before adding another new functionalities, could you please solve open compatibility issues.

1) multiBD with 2 NC titles on DVD+RW:

- Samsung BD-R1500, menu with file names - ok, selectable - ok, scaling and sound problems - as before, but mostly could be resolved

- Sony PS3, first time (please see a few posts back) I see the menu with titles (file names). Menu is not selectable because there is no cursor. It is possible to select titles over PS3 "options" submenu but in my case becasue of scaling and sound problems for NC files there was black screen and no sound!


Please go back few pages, or read this (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1240244&postcount=463). Or may be I'll just paste it again:


I lost another day trying to make custom titles work... So far - I'm disappointed. Custom menu shows and works both on Playstation 3 and Nero Showtime.

The problem is that when played on PS3, navigational arrows don't show. It all works as if the arrows were there, but they don't show.


And again: I'd like to stress on the "NC". NC = Non-compliant/Not compatible. I hope your english is good enough.

You can use your Remote Control or "triangle" and enter title number. Sorry - it took me a lot to get to this point... and I'm still working on it.


I checked created BDMV folders with BDedit and found in both NC titles wrong data in mpls and clpi files:
1. title was according to MediInfo 976x544p, 23.976, 16/9 but in BDMV directory it was unknown resolution, 23,976, 4:3
2. title was 720x436p, 25fps, 2.35, in BDMV also wrong: unknown, 25, 4:3
"Apply compliant height..." was checked


I'm getting kind of tired to answer such questions/remarks.

multiAVCHD is NO MAGIC TOOL. How can you possibly think of playing 976x544 movie in AVCHD?!

I stated more than 10 times already - Use AVCHD compatible input files/folders.

Making 'cropped' 1920x.... and 1280x... to work was a BONUS and I was never aiming for making multiAVCHD the "make-all-files-play".

Try using multiAVCHD with media at least 1280 or 1920 pixels wide.

Most of remuxing problems are probably connected to tsMuxer, but IMHO this should be solved by multiAVCHD.

I'm developing multiAVCHD for my own pleasure and for those who appreciate it, but not to get additional portions of stress. I'm spending too much time on programming it already.

Dean

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kaid: That notwithstanding: deank, didn't the PS3 show green bars on the top and bottom if you didn't set a vertical resolution (like TSmuxer does on cropped video according to you)? Wouldn't that, combined with your clearing of the framebuffer, center the video? Or would downscaling occur all the time (i didn't test the downscaling as much as you did, i only tried AVCHDing cropped video once, and it downscaled to 480p, and that was it for me! ;-)

@kaid: When BD/AVCHD player is launched in Playstation 3, it uses different approach of displaying the video stream. It starts off the TOP and fills the video frame buffer until it reaches the end (height) of the current frame. That's why we had the green bar - there is unsufficient data to fill the whole frame. This said - no, movie won't move down no matter what tricks are done.

Once I understand completely TS streams and muxing - I may be able to change this, but not in the near future.

[deank]

Latest version doesn't work on my Samsung BDP 1500 player. I have never had a problem like this before.

It starts the disc and shows the menu briefly (no titles) and then stops the DVD. I selected PAL lite custom menu.

I had the standard PAL lite menu working before so will go back and try that again.
.

Can you download the archive from this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1240280&postcount=464)?

You'll need to convert filenames to long names (BD standard).

[nwg]

Can you download the archive from this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1240280&postcount=464)?

You'll need to convert filenames to long names (BD standard).

I have downloaded it, what needs to be converted as it looks like it can be burned straight away?