multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[rattice]

Hi all, and especially deank. Been browsing forums for hours looking for this answer to no avail. I think it is EXTREMELY rare that a guy builds such great software that is free, AND is always on forums answering questions about it. I commend you on this.
This is for anyone that can answer. Using multiAVCHD for mkv video playback with HD audio on PS3 since there is nothing that can stream it from PC. I have a 500GB portable HDD that I set up with fat32 to which multiAVCHD outputs. Now sometimes I run into the "Ref count (X)! Height (yyy) not compliant" issue, which results in the dreaded green bar at the bottom. What I have read is that I can transcode or re-encode using multiAVCHD which should solve this issue? The most recent movie with this problem is 1080p but the error is this: "Ref count [5] too high / Height (796) non-compliant!". I have had success with compliant files, but not with these types of errors. If you could please tell me how to process these files to eliminate the green bar, which options to use, etc, I would appreciate it. Thanks so much in advance.

[Capsbackup]

Why are the 1080P files non-compliant? Did they come from a Blu-ray rip? :confused:
If not, why not just reencode to be compliant. That would eliminate your problem for PS3 playback. Properly resize to 1920x1080 or 1280x720, and possibly 1440x1080.
You could try this: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135795
multiAVCHD will also allow you to input a custom AVS script, so you could reencode to compliance with it too.

[rattice]

Yeah, it's re-encoding now with multiAVCHD...but the ETA is 4 hrs and 40 mins!! That's for 1 movie and it's a trilogy so times that by 3. The resolution is 1920X796 for some reason.

[Music Fan]

You should try MKV2VOB to avoid a reencoding of your video.
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/mkv2vob

[rattice]

would the result from that be playable on the PS3 with HD Audio ?

[Capsbackup]

would the result from that be playable on the PS3 with HD Audio ?

You could try to use tsMuxer to demux a small piece of the video you want to test by using the Split & Cut function, perhaps 2-3 minutes should be enough, remux to .ts or .m2ts or another program to mkv, then use Music Fan's suggestion of MKV2VOB. Should save you a lot of time, especially if no reencoding is necessary. :)

[rattice]

Well, it doesn't "need" to be re-encoded as it actually plays, but with a big GREEN BAR at the bottom of the screen, and the picture is pushed up to the top of the screen (uncentered). I believe this is due to it being non-AVCHD compliant. No way I am watching a movie like that, and the only way I was told to fix it is to re-encode...

[Adub]

Ooopps... Rattice we can't help you.

I wish people would state the resolution in the NFO (1920X796) so you know in advance!!

[MrVideo]

Dean I think the answer to this question is as simple as examining the disc itself for any copyright symbol or statement. If Panasonic did not apply one, then I would think they will be hard-pressed to complain about its distribution?

Not exactly true, at least in the U.S. Your work is automatically copyrighted as soon as it is published. A little tighter control is to indicate that is it copyrighted. Best is to register it with the U.S. Copyright Office.

Just because something is freely distributed does not mean it is without copyright. Unless it is marked that it is in the public domain, it isn't.

A manual comes with every TV too, but it is copyrighted material.

Odds are that Panasonic will not come after anyone that provides copies of it for free. As soon as you try to collect money for it, they probably will come after you.

My two cents.

[Capsbackup]

deank, for some reason that I can't figure out, I am unable to create a motion menu longer than 32 seconds using build 757 or 758. I select 0 no limit, use as is, enter my 60 second .ts or .m2ts file, but the video will stop at 32 seconds while the audio continues til the end, 60 seconds. It will then begin over again, but the video is only 32 seconds. If I check the file in the BDMV folder, 80010.m2ts, and play it with MPC, it also reports it is only 32 seconds. :confused:

[MrVideo]

Note 1: I've never been into DVD authoring. (never authored 1 DVD).

I have, using a program called DVD Maestro, a professional DVD authoring package.

When a video is finished, you can go to any resource that is available. That means it can be a menu or another video. If it is a menu, it can be any button on the menu, i.e., highlighted as the default option.

I have no idea what BD can do. I do not have access to a professional BD authoring package, or at least a manual. I do know it can do a LOT more.

[rattice]

I ran into another problem. I have used this app for mkv files and made them into AVCHD compliant for PS3 playback, but I tried to add an M2TS file from the BD backup (stream folder) and then clicked start, and I keep getting an error:

[00:00:52] Important files missing (clpi/mpls/m2ts)...
[00:00:52] Possible tsMuxeR failure to process your input file (E:\_Movies\INCREDIBLE HULK 2008\BDMV\STREAM\00009.m2ts).
[00:00:52] M2TS (media) file count: 1
[00:00:52] CLPI (clipinfo) file count: 0
[00:00:52] MPLS (playlist) file count: 0

[00:00:52] Skipping to next...

[00:00:52] ERROR: Compilation does not contain any HD-DVD/AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!


00009.m2ts is the main movie file. I wanted to run it through multiAVCHD to end up on my USB device so I could take advantage of HD audio. I ended up streaming it with DTS because I couldn't figure out this error.

ANyone?

[MrVideo]

Properly resize to 1920x1280 or 1280x720, and possibly 1440x1080.

I suspect you really mean 1920x1080.

[Capsbackup]

I suspect you really mean 1920x1080.

:) Yes, thanks for the correction.

[deank]

@Caps: The 'no limit' option applies only to XMB menu style.

[Capsbackup]

@Caps: The 'no limit' option applies only to XMB menu style.

Thanks deank, figured I was missing something simple. :p

[Music Fan]

Well, it doesn't "need" to be re-encoded as it actually plays, but with a big GREEN BAR at the bottom of the screen, and the picture is pushed up to the top of the screen (uncentered). I believe this is due to it being non-AVCHD compliant. No way I am watching a movie like that, and the only way I was told to fix it is to re-encode...
I learnt today that there is a green bar only when the number of lines is under 514 for 720p (thus 1280.514, ratio = 2,49:1) and probably more for 1080p/i.
So, if the rule is the same for 1080p/i, you need 772 lines (1920/2,49) to avoid the green bar (it will be black). But I don't know if it will be centered or not.
I don't have PS3 so I can't test it.
As you have 796 lines, I don't understand what happens. Maybe, it doesn't work with 1920.xxx videos.
Have you well 1920 points per line or less ?

[insaneoctane]

Just a quick question about processing titles directly from Blu Ray inside MAVCHD...
I know you can select/deselect the various streams (audio, subtitles, etc), but I've noticed (in the past) when I use tsMuxer to select/deselect the various streams I will often see multiple VIDEO sources. The second video source is often a lower res (like 720p or 480p), but in tsMuxer I usually ONLY include the 1080p "main" video stream. So, is this functionality lost if I'm using MAVCHD to select/deselect my streams? With out this selection option, should I assume that the lower res video is always included in the resultant file (which obviously would make it larger) with no value? Just looking for clarification, thanks!

[rattice]

Yeah, I tried to add the "main" video stream (movie.m2ts) via "Add Video Files", and was unable to create the AVCHD similar to using mkv files. I think I was able to do it by deleting all the useless other files from the STREAM folder, then adding the BDMV folder via the "AVCHD/BDMV/DVD folders" button.

[deank]

Just a quick question about processing titles directly from Blu Ray inside MAVCHD...

No, multiAVCHD will try to detect and use only the primary video track, leaving low-res tracks out of the final mux.

You'll see a message in the log "Only this video track will be used"... or something similar.

Dean

[b66pak]

OT: did you notice the new cinavia (http://www.cinavia.com/languages/english/index.html) audio watermarking protection?
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[icyred64]

mkv to Ps3 BURN INSTRUCTIONS

If the Mkv is 1920X1080 then just use tsmuxer to make it into a blu-ray format and then imgburn the bdmv/certificate folders on disc

If the Mkv is 1920Xsomething else ex: 1920X816 then you need too uncrop the movie to 1920X1080 (meaning you HAVE too add the black bars in cause the ps3 cant make black bars which is why the movie plays ontop and big green bar gets added.)
I use Multiavchd to Transcode it leaving the size of movie 1920X816 but uncroping it to 1920X1080. Takes a few hours cause basicly its reencoding it with black bars in it. and BURN. now im being told that the new haali splitter update screws that up. im testing that now cause now the movie on my ps3 that i just uncropped is 1/2 the size and looks funny. Or the new multiavchd already sets the 1920X1080 and when you ucrop it does it twice now lol...

[setarip_old]

@b66pak

Hi! OT: did you notice the new cinavia audio watermarking protection?Do you know, for a fact, that this claimed new protection has been applied to any commercial disc releases, BluRay or standard DVD?

If so, which releases has it been incorporated into?

Or is this just an upated version of the vaporware referred to a couple of years ago at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1021206#post1021206

[setarip_old]

@deank

Would you consider adding MKV output capability to "multiAVCHD"? (Please don't tell me you've already done so and I've completely overlooked it)

[crl2007]

The CINAVIA protection can be bypassed by fast forwarding at 1.5x speed for 20 seconds at the beginning and then return to normal. "The Losers" has it. This protection only affects standalone players.

[Capsbackup]

@deank;
as setarip_old has suggested: Would you consider adding MKV output capability to "multiAVCHD"? (Please don't tell me you've already done so and I've completely overlooked it)
is it possible to have multiAVCHD just encode to elementary stream .x264 as well?
Also, I have tested several .ts clips that I have recorded off my HD DVR, which my input video to multiAVCHD is an .avs script with tdecimate() to bring back a frame rate of 23.976 and maintain 1080P.
I always remove the audio from multiAVCHD's transcode option, but it still try's to reencode the audio, thus leaving the program hanging for a very long time (at the conclusion of transcode ). My preference is to just use the original audio file that I want to remux to the .x264 transcode from multiAVCHD but not within multiAVCHD.
I realize this is not the intention of your program, and I am unable to use uncropMKV with .avs scripts, so I have been using MeGui. However, I am interested in your thoughts to use multiAVCHD as just the reencode program as I have just mentioned. :)

[setarip_old]

@crl2007

Hi!

1) Is this protection on the BluRay version, the DVD version, or both?

2) Does the "fix" you've stated allow for REMOVAL or CIRCUMVENTION of the protection and creation of a clean backup?

(I guess those of us in the U.S. will have to wait until the 7/20/10 release date to see for ourselves)

[crl2007]

1. This protection only affects ( for the time being ) Blu-Ray players ( standalones, that have in them the CINAVIA detection kit ) and PS3.

2. It only circumvents the activation of the protection on standalone players. If you have a backup and play from your HDD, then you'll have no problem.

More info on the protection here (http://filesharefreak.com/2010/03/03/cinavia-drm-aimed-to-stop-piracy-on-blu-ray-ps3s/).

The Blu-Ray + DVD release is not available in my country either. I found out by googling CINAVIA. It seems that even for DVDSCR is active. It was designed especially for fighting off piracy and The Losers is the first one to have this protection. And if DVDSCR movies ( DVDs created for previews ) found on illegal download sites have them, then I think we should expect DVD players to have this hardware protection in the not so distant future.

[setarip_old]

@crl2007

I see nothing at that link referring to "The Losers" - only "peer-to-peer that contain Cinavia DRM: TS/CAM versions of The Wolfman and Shutter Island". (Pirated stuff to which I personally say good riddance)

I also see nothing at that link referring to the "fast forward fix" you described.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see if the protection is real this time around, as opposed to the similar vaporware of 2008 - and what, if any, impact it might have on programs such as BD-Rebuilder...

[crl2007]

TS/CAM versions of The Wolfman and Shutter Island, and some other sources including DVDSCR (The Losers, both by Imagine and Flawl3ss) I don't watch anything less than Blu-Ray and DVDSCR popped out because it is related to DVDs.

And here (http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/03/03/new_cinavia_drm_takes_aim_at_pirates) is where I read about the 1.5x ff.

Since the first Q in 2010 all Blu-Ray players have this detection kit built-in. I'm sure that programs such AnyDVD HD will be able to remove this watermark in the future, or at least circumvent it.

@crl2007

I see nothing at that link referring to "The Losers" - only "peer-to-peer that contain Cinavia DRM: TS/CAM versions of The Wolfman and Shutter Island". (Pirated stuff to which I personally say good riddance)

That's the whole idea, to combat piracy, but they make us, legitimate users, suffer in the process. Just like Ubisoft ( gaming industry ) with their permanently online connection to play single player games. When there is no internet connection available you don't get to play. This Cinavia DRM is too intrusive, not allowing buyers to back-up their discs as they like. We buy them but we can't use them as we like, we have to use them as they like.

l.e. On a peer-to-peer forum discussion I read that The Losers Blu-Ray mkv rip has the same watermark, so the Blu-Ray will most likely have it.

[setarip_old]

Considering the caliber of the source(s) for your statements, as well as the age of the primary link you've quoted (March 2010 - with, apparently, no subsequent reports) and the lack of evidence that anything other than POSSIBLY pirated "Cams" ("poisoned" by capturing theater audio, if they exist) may have been affected, I believe this may be just another round of evanescent protection by the same company that was ballyhooing this in 2008.

Perhaps when the legitimate version of "The Losers" is available, we'll find out if it contains this protection and whether anyone will actually discover that they own a standalone (or possibly a PS3) that is definitely affected by this supposed product...

[crl2007]

Yes, we'll have to wait until July 20 and see for ourselves if our backups play well on PS3 and standalones that have these kits.

This file The.Losers.2010.BluRay.720p.DTS.x264-CHD was reported on some peer-to-peer forums to have cinavia. It was reported by owners of PS3. In China and chinese peer-to-peer illegal sites, this Blu-Ray has already fallen into their hands and they uploaded that mkv file.

[Limobar]

@deank

I would like to see the option 'fit all' have the extra option to skip titles you don't want to be part of the 'fit all' process, but maintain part of the project. In most cases this will be the main movie. I guess that this option could be selected in the title properties screen.

I also suggest that menus only get a lower bitrate and that bonus material could get a lower bitrate, but also get a lower resolution. This means that the menus only can be compressed to limited degree, but that bonus material can be compressed to about 1000 kbit/sec with resolutions like 720x400. An hour of bonus material will only take 550 MB of space then.

This is what I'm doing manually, but I think this can be done more efficiently and automatically :)

[rendez2k]

Does anyone know if MAVCHD increases the video brigntness when it encodes MKVs? I've tested playing the same MKV as directly as I can through the PS3 (using MKVtoVOB and also PS3 media server to do a direct stream). Both of those methods are really dark and I need to increase TV brightness. The video from an AVCHD DVD made with MAVCHD is much brighter in the dark scenes to the point that blocking is showing up. Any ideas?

[deank]

No, multiAVCHD doesn't alter the brightness.

File/streaming playback uses different settings than Blu-ray/AVCHD and there is difference. You can check your PS3 settings about FULL/LIMITED color range (in Display settings).

[rendez2k]

No, multiAVCHD doesn't alter the brightness.

File/streaming playback uses different settings than Blu-ray/AVCHD and there is difference. You can check your PS3 settings about FULL/LIMITED color range (in Display settings).

Thanks. I didn't know they used different settings. I think mine is set to full but reading around it looks like it might need to be limited. Would that be the only setting to affect brightness?

[deank]

I used to use LIMITED all the time... Last week I switched to FULL, but yesterday set it back to limited. "AVCHD"/"Blu-ray" seems unaffected by the setting (or look better with FULL), but streamed/file-playback gets too dark and I prefer to use LIMITED.

[rendez2k]

That appears to be the exact issue. Streamed/local playback is really dark - in dark scenes you can't see anything. I'll give it a test tonight.

I'm not sure my TV/PS3 is calibrated right anyway. On an MKV I converted with MAVCHD last night, dark areas had lots of blocking. You can just about see some of it on the original MKV before conversion on my PC, but after conversion and on a slightly brighter TV you can see lots. I always seem to have issues with colour-banding on graduated objects too (such as skys in say a cartoon).

[f362580]

deank, can we have more types of 3D => anaglyph conversion?
I have cyan-red glasses (not red-cyan) personally.

[Avisynth_challenged]

I downloaded the setup file for the latest version of multiavchd.

Question: Can the install package for multiavchd 4.x be run so that it installs version 4.x over a previous 3.x installation? I'm running WinXP Pro 32-bit SP3.

Thanks in advance :)

[deank]

deank, can we have more types of 3D => anaglyph conversion?
I have cyan-red glasses (not red-cyan) personally.

The option is in SETTINGS. There is magenta/green option - probably your glasses are this type.

I downloaded the setup file for the latest version of multiavchd.

Question: Can the install package for multiavchd 4.x be run so that it installs version 4.x over a previous 3.x installation? I'm running WinXP Pro 32-bit SP3.

Yes, but I'd suggest not to do that. If you do, please remove multiAVCHD.ini file.

Dean

[Avisynth_challenged]

Regarding my previous question about whether version 4.x could be installed right over 3.x, you wrote:


Yes, but I'd suggest not to do that. If you do, please remove multiAVCHD.ini file.

Dean


I confess that I was not patient enough to wait for the reply, and went ahead and ran the installer for 4.1, which installed in my system under Program files > MultiAVCHD, where my previous install (version 4.0, not 3.x as I previously thought) was located.

The result is that I now have two installations residing on my system, version 4.0 and version 4.1, with quick launch icons for each available one residing in the startup quick launch folder on my system.

I've been playing around with 4.1, which seems to be in working order (great software, by the way!). I have not tried to launch or use version 4.0 since the update installation.

Is this an okay configuration to have for MultiAVCHD? Or should I maybe uninstall everything, then re-install only the latest 4.1? I just want to be sure that I'm running your software properly.

Thanks for your earlier response, and for your immense contributions to this community :)

[f362580]

The option is in SETTINGS. There is magenta/green option - probably your glasses are this type.

no
left eye - cyan, right - red

[deank]

@Avisynth_challenged: No, it is not okay. Both shortcuts will launch the same .exe (ver 4.1).

If you want to have 2 different versions then use 2 different installation folders. :)

@f362580: You'll have to get a pair of 'normal' red/cyan or green/magenta glasses.

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The GUI is changed to fit 1024x768 screen resolution.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiavchd_media.jpg

[framura]

Hi deank,

do you think to add delay feature with external subtitles?

For my needs this would be great.

Thanks for your wonderful program :thanks:

[insaneoctane]

Deank,

Question on "un-doing" some of the work that MAVCHD has done....
I'm converting from a AVCHD Manager workflow....
If I fill, say a 1.5TB drive with titles via MAVCHD and then begin to fill another drive with titles and then at a later date want to move one of the titles OFF the completed 1.5TB drive with MAVCHD and replace it with a different title, how would I extract the title so that I can still use it? The trouble I'm running into is that MAVCHD sort of "takes" the titles under it's wing and renames them, etc... I'm not sure how to get them back out (It would be really nice if I could not only get them back, but could still use them with AVCHD Manager too).
Thanks for your help

[deank]

To get a title off a compilation you can load its playlist and create another compilation. You'll be able to use it with AVCHD manager later.

By doing it you'll 'remove' it from the BIG compilation, which will cause player to 'lock' if you try to play it. To avoid this you can simply recompile the big compilation without the missing title.

Dean

[insaneoctane]

To get a title off a compilation you can load its playlist and create another compilation. You'll be able to use it with AVCHD manager later.

By doing it you'll 'remove' it from the BIG compilation, which will cause player to 'lock' if you try to play it. To avoid this you can simply recompile the big compilation without the missing title.

Dean

Duh. This seems obvious to me now, thanks!

[rattice]

I have a mkv file that works fine when I stream to PS3, but when I try and transcode with MAVCHD, I get this error warning:

[05:56:08] Important files missing (clpi/mpls/m2ts)...
[05:56:08] Possible tsMuxeR failure to process your input file (E:\_Movies\Terminator.2.Judgment.Day.1991.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-HDC.mkv).
[05:56:08] M2TS (media) file count: 1
[05:56:08] CLPI (clipinfo) file count: 0
[05:56:08] MPLS (playlist) file count: 0

[05:56:08] Skipping to next...

[05:56:08] ERROR: Compilation does not contain any HD-DVD/AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

Any ideas why it plays ok when streaming but says files are missing for transcoding? Thanks!!

[mpucoder]

MultiAVCHD is telling you what is wrong, you did not provide it with the files it needs. Use the original BD, not a partial rip.