multiAVCHD - author Blu-ray/AVCHD (Blu-ray players, camcoders, Viera TV) + (HD) DVD

[Adub]

*face palm*

I don't know why I didn't think of that first one.

And that second one is a nice feature that you have added in the latest builds! Thanks for that!

[deank]

Well, after I got few failures, I decided it is time for such option :)

[Beatnut]

Hi dean, Ik have a question, alot of sony blu ray players only work with BD-RE if they are made with the sony program "Click to Disc", since it is a software issue then, is there a away you can implent something to make it work for those players? since the software, Click to disc is only available for sony Vaio computers, many thanks

beatnut

[deank]

That is definitely not true, because Sony players play multiAVCHD output. If it is related to the burning-part - I can't do anything.

[Adub]

This sounds like more of a burning issue than a conversion issue. What program are you using for your BD-RE burning? I recommend the free IMGBurn by LIGHTNING_UK!

[turbojet]

I was able to fix the detecting avisynth, ffdshow, haali problems I had by rebooting after removing/installing multiavchd. I'm able to encode now directly from a read only source, thanks.

I noticed that the first 30 or so minutes was spent moving the 35 GB m2ts file from read only to temp directory, is this necessary?

Also I chose to keep subs but they weren't kept in the DVD output, I remember in the past multiavchd had problems finding java.exe for bdsup2sub.jar on 64 bit systems, could this still be the issue?

This is what the log says:

[15:37:46] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[15:37:46] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[15:37:46] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[15:37:46] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[15:37:54] Retrying...
[15:48:35] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4608:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4609:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4610:S_HDMV/PGS Language: eng
[15:48:35] Detected subtitles: ID#4611:S_HDMV/PGS Language: spa
[15:48:35] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[15:48:36] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[15:48:36] Applying pulldown...
[15:56:39] Authoring DVD structure...
[16:00:48] SD-DVD muxing completed!

I agree BD -> DVD is excellent quality, better then the retail DVD of the same movie. I've been doing this for quite a while now but it's a tedious task, this makes it incredibly easier however I need the ability to keep english subs.

[deank]

My note few pages back (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1384148#post1384148)about SD-DVD and subtitles mentioned that only external subtitles are supported (and internal when using files as sources).

When using playlists/BDMV-structures you'll need to have your subtitles prepared before you start the compilation. Extract the SUP/PGS and add it as an external subtitle track. It will be properly resized to DVD resolution and will be present in the DVD. One subtitle track supported anyway.

Dean

p.s.

I noticed that the first 30 or so minutes was spent moving the 35 GB m2ts file from read only to temp directory, is this necessary?

1/ Yes, it is needed to create ONE file from a blu-ray playlist in case it is branched and more than 1 m2ts file needs to be reencoded. If it is a 1:1 full-movie = 1 m2ts you can load the m2ts file and not the playlist.

2/ SD-DVD is 1-week-old feature in multiAVCHD with a lot of restrictions. I'll try to add subtitle support for (internal) Blu-ray playlist subtitles and probably more than one audio/subtitle track per SD-DVD title and less-probably multi-title support for SD-DVD. I just need more time, that's it.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Since other means of communication with you (at least by me) continue to be unsuccessful, I'll simply post the following, unedited:

I see that you've now added conversion (of just about anything ;>}) to standard DVD.

Other than branching off into other Operating Systems, I for one, can't think of anything else you could conceivably add (But somehow, I'm sure you will anyway). Therefore, I want to suggest to you that the multiAVCHD "package" has become rather weighty - and, perhaps somewhat foreboding in appearance and operation to those who may have just come to discover this remarkably efficient yet complex tool.

My quick suggestion is to modify the interface so that it appears as a tabbed notebook or looseleaf binder, with each tab representing one of the primary functions - and clicking on a tab would "turn the pages" to the proper input pages supported, if necessary, by sub-tabs.

Your thoughts please?

[Adub]

Okay, my first guide for using multiAVCHD to encode from Blu-ray to DVD has been published! Check it out here: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/converting-bluray-sd-dvd-multiavchd


Edit: Okay, well, it seems like the third time was not the charm. I turned on the TrueHD/DTS-MA/HRA to option and the Convert DTS audio to AC3 option, and it appears that eac3to did not like that one bit.

Overall multiAVCHD log:
[01:20:16] Initialising...
[01:20:17] Checking for new version...
[01:20:17] You have the latest build.
[01:20:17] Consistency check finished!
[01:20:17] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[01:20:17] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[01:20:17] 263 people supported it with donations
[01:20:17] and you are the 1343850 one to launch the program...
[01:20:17] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[01:20:17] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]
[01:20:23] All multiAVCHD settings are replaced with project settings!

[01:20:23] Project name: multiAVCHD
[01:20:23] Project loaded: (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\ingtest3.mpf)
[01:20:23] Project created with build 741 (27/03/2010 00:49:32)

[01:21:01] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[01:21:02] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 95972.81 MiB (93.723 GiB) free space
[01:21:02] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 95972.81 MiB (93.723 GiB) free space

[01:21:02] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[01:21:02] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[01:21:02] Processing one title...
[01:21:03] Processing (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts)...
[01:21:03] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[01:21:03] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[01:21:03] *** Initiating video encoding:

[01:21:03] *** Original : 1920x1080
[01:21:03] *** Crop : 0
[01:21:03] *** Resize : 720x480
[01:21:03] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[01:21:03] *** Sharpen : 0
[01:21:03] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[01:21:03] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[01:21:03] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[01:21:03] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:09:03] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[01:27:22] *** Speed : 34.35 fps (elapsed: 00:06:19 - Realtime x 1.43)
[01:27:22] *** Transcoding successful!

[01:27:22] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[01:27:22] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[01:27:22] Converting DTS-HRA, DTS-MA audio to Dolby AC3 (eac3to), bitrate used: 384...
[01:27:32] eac3to refused to convert audio!
[01:27:32] Trying to demux it...
[01:38:08] Trying to convert DTS-HRA, DTS-MA again with eac3to, bitrate used: 384...
[01:38:12] All attempts failed. Will use original audio track!
[01:38:12] Encoding DTS audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[01:38:21] Retrying...


The following logs were produced:
-TrueHD / DTS-MA... option
eac3to v3.16
command line: "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts" 2: "c:\multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100327\00010.m2ts.t2.ac3" -resampleTo48000 -384 -r8brain
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M2TS, 1 video track, 3 audio tracks, 5 subtitle tracks, 2:33:00, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 34 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
4: DTS, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
5: DTS, French, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 768kbps, 48khz
6: Subtitle (PGS), English
7: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
8: Subtitle (PGS), French
9: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
10: Subtitle (PGS), French
This video conversion is not supported. <ERROR>

This one was quite suspicious, as it looks as if multiAVCHD tried to have the video track converted to an AC3.

-Second attempt by multiAVCHD:
eac3to v3.16
command line: "C:\multiAVCHD\tools\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "c:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\00010.track_4352.dts" "c:\multiavchd\_temp\multitemp-20100327\00010.ac3" -resampleTo48000 -384
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DTS Master Audio, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information. <WARNING>
Extracting DTS core...
Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
Remapping channels...
Resampling to 48khz...
SSRC doesn't like these resampling parameters. <ERROR>
You can switch to r8brain instead by using the "-r8brain" option.
Aborted at file position 262144. <ERROR>



Last but not least, the following deadlock appeared to occur within eac3to:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3710/eac3tohang.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/eac3tohang.png/)
This was at the last resort tried by multiAVCHD and for some reason, as soon as it recognizes it needs a second pass, eac3to just stops working, with no detectable CPU usage.

[deank]

@deank

Since other means of communication with you (at least by me) continue to be unsuccessful, I'll simply post the following, unedited:

My quick suggestion is to modify the interface so that it appears as a tabbed notebook or looseleaf binder...

Your thoughts please?

I'm quite sure it can't be done with the tool I'm using (CalcIT - you can judge by its name it is an IT CALCULATOR :) ). Can you give me an example of an application, which uses such style?


Last but not least, the following deadlock appeared to occur within eac3to:

The last thing you can do is to check the option [x] Core only in AUDIO tab of title-properties.

***

Few fixes:

* Bitrate estimations for HD and SD DVD will take into account only the 1st audio track and will calculate proper estimation

* In case SD-DVD mux fails with muxman, the log is printed and pop-up will ask you to edit the job file (muxman.job) with notepad, fix what may be wrong and let multiAVCHD retry with these changes.

* Transcoding will show estimated time-of-the-day (HH:MM:SS) when it is supposed to finish...

[laserfan]

Okay, my first guide for using multiAVCHD to encode from Blu-ray to DVD has been published! Check it out here: http://adubvideo.net/how-to/converting-bluray-sd-dvd-multiavchd
Adub congrats, your tutorial is terrific, thanks!

I'm still confused though about handling subtitles:

1. Not sure what "hardsubbing" means, i.e. I thought that was when you encoded subtitles into the video itself (where they are part of the video and can't be turned on/off)? Could you explain in your tut.

2. Also deank has said that BD subs must be imported as "external" or some such. If you can clarify what that means (and how to pre-process BD subs if necessary) that would help me as I remain confused about this after several failed attempts.

Thanks again!

[deank]

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.

Dean

[laserfan]

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.Thanks Dean for explaining. I was sure I'd tried this (demux & add as external) and it didn't work, but I will try again later this weekend with the new + version that has the muxman log (that's where mine failed, zero bytes in .IFO file).

[deank]

I'm currently running an encode of my Ghost Rider Blu-ray disc. I demuxed the Bulgarian subtitles and added them as external. It worked 3 times already, but I'm trying it again.

I'll post the complete log later. It says it will finish in ~50 mins.

http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_tr_bd_1.jpg

[daberti]

Deank, I'm trying encoding Bluray to SD-DVD using 9300kbps for video but the single pass encoder just keep on running at 8000kbps max :confused:

[deank]

There will be an update later today - I removed the limit. I doubt you'll be able to fit the output to a DVD disc with such high bitrate, but may be I'm wrong. It is much better to use 2-pass with HCenc!

The update later includes a 'feature' requested by a user: To TOP-ALIGN uncompliant videos while uncropping - in other words not to add 2 black bars at top and bottom, but one huge black bar at the bottom of the video.

Also multiAVCHD.log is being flushed more frequently for easier bug-reports.

There are few other changes, but not that important atm.

[daberti]

There will be an update later today - I removed the limit. I doubt you'll be able to fit the output to a DVD disc with such high bitrate, but may be I'm wrong. It is much better to use 2-pass with HCenc!



It will fit. bare 1h 30' with AC3 at 448.
HCenc simply takes too much time on my PC.

BTW: I noticed that you removed Trellis for 1pass encoding ;)

[setarip_old]

@deank Can you give me an example of an application, which uses such style?Yours would be the first ;>} (Actually, I have a vague recollection of seeing this as part of a word processing program for the Atari ST in the 1980s)

[deank]

It took 5 hours and 30 mins to convert Ghost Rider from Blu-ray to DVD.

I trimmed the title just at credits start (saved ~ 7 mins) to raise the average bitrate of the movie, removed all audio tracks but the English 5.1 AC3 one, removed all subtitles, added external .sup (demuxed before compilation start) and used 2-pass HCenc MPEG2 encoding. The result is ~90 mb smaller than the expected DVD5, but it suits me well.

I used main movie m2ts file, since the movie is not spread among multiple m2ts files and there was no need to use the mpls file.

[14:18:05] Initialising...
[14:18:05] Checking for new version...
[14:18:06] New version/build found!
[14:18:06] Latest web version is: 4.0 (build 741)
[14:18:06] Download from: http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiavchd.exe
[14:18:06] Consistency check finished!
[14:18:06] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[14:18:06] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[14:18:06] 263 people supported it with donations
[14:18:06] and you are the 1345360 one to launch the program...
[14:18:06] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[14:18:06] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]

[14:25:35] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[14:25:36] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 19774.18 MiB (19.311 GiB) free space
[14:25:36] Temp folder [C:]: NTFS, 14914.36 MiB (14.565 GiB) free space

[14:25:36] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[14:25:36] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[14:25:36] Processing one title...
[14:25:36] Processing (I:\GHOST_RIDER\BDMV\STREAM\00066.m2ts)...
[14:25:36] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[14:25:36] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[14:25:36] *** Initiating video encoding:

[14:25:36] *** Original : 1920x1080
[14:25:36] *** Crop : 0
[14:25:36] *** Resize : 720x480
[14:25:36] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[14:25:36] *** Sharpen : 0
[14:25:36] *** Bitrate : 4690 kbps
[14:25:36] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[14:25:36] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[14:25:36] *** Encoding : Two pass - content: [01:56:26] (MPEG-2 encoder: HCenc)
[18:45:05] *** Close to completion - closing preview...
[18:56:34] *** Speed : 10.3 fps (elapsed: 04:30:54 - Realtime x 0.43)
[18:56:34] *** Transcoding successful!

[18:56:35] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[18:56:35] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[18:56:35] Encoding [AC3] audio to AC3...
[18:56:54] Retrying...
[19:32:53] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[19:32:53] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[19:32:53] Adding subtitles (Ghost Rider.bul.sup) (bul)
[19:32:53] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 01:56:26
[19:32:53] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[19:32:54] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[19:32:55] Converting C:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\Ghost Rider.bul.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[19:33:00] *** Imported subpictures: 961/961 at offset 0x
[19:33:00] Applying pulldown...
[19:41:22] Authoring DVD structure...
[19:56:27] SD-DVD muxing completed!

[19:56:32] SD-DVD title saved:
[19:56:32] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_GR_DVD\[DVD]\Ghost Rider

[19:56:34] Compilation contains 1 (HD)DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!


[19:56:35] Preparing menu pages...
[19:56:37] Setting main menu for 0 titles...
[19:56:37] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[19:56:43] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD/SD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 4375 MiB (4.272 GiB)

[19:56:43] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_GR_DVD folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[19:56:44] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[19:56:44] Compilation contains HD-DVD/SD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD]/[DVD] folder.
[19:56:44] Burn each HD-DVD/SD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS for HD-DVD) to a separate DVD disc.

[19:56:50] You may now remove temp folder (C:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100327\).

[19:56:50] multiAVCHD finished in 19870.253 seconds (05:31:10.253)!

[19:56:51] End of log.

[19:56:51] Cleaning up...
[19:56:51] Done!

[19:56:51] For technical support, bug reports and questions:

[19:56:52] http://multiforum.deanbg.com/
[19:56:52] http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com/
[19:56:52] http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744

[Adub]

Adub congrats, your tutorial is terrific, thanks!

I'm still confused though about handling subtitles:

1. Not sure what "hardsubbing" means, i.e. I thought that was when you encoded subtitles into the video itself (where they are part of the video and can't be turned on/off)? Could you explain in your tut.

2. Also deank has said that BD subs must be imported as "external" or some such. If you can clarify what that means (and how to pre-process BD subs if necessary) that would help me as I remain confused about this after several failed attempts.

Thanks again!

I'll add support for BD subtitles but may be tomorrow or next week.

At the moment you need to open the m2ts file (or the playlist) of the main movie with tsMuxeR_GUI and *demux* the subtitle track you need.

Then in [title properties] there is [External subtitles] tab - you add your demuxed .SUP file there.

Hard-subbing is exactly what you think - encode the subtitles in the video, so no on/off function.

Dean

I'll add this to the guide sometime today.

Plus, deank, did you notice how multiAVCHD was telling eac3to to encode the video track to AC3 in my last bug post? Is this fixed or do you need more information?

[Dolsen]

The update later includes a 'feature' requested by a user: To TOP-ALIGN uncompliant videos while uncropping - in other words not to add 2 black bars at top and bottom, but one huge black bar at the bottom of the video.

Hi,

Thanks for adding that uncrop feature in next update! :thanks:

I have been playing around alittle with the uncrop feature, and this is my conclusion:

If you have a PAL 720x576 4:3 video, that has black border up&down, and the picture area is 16:9 inside the 4:3 frame, then there is 72 black lines below and on top and the picture area is 720x432. If you want to convert that into PAL 720x576 16:9 video, and remove black borders, you should crop with "-72" above and below, to keep correct aspect ratio of final output and no wrong vertical stretching.

Is this conclusion correct?

If so, could you add "-72" in the list of available cropping?

Just another thing, in the resize list some resolutions are listed more then one time, and the list is not sorted from smallest size to largest size. Could this list be trimmed and sorted?


Thanks, bye
Dolsen

[deank]

Dean, did you notice how multiAVCHD was telling eac3to to encode the video track to AC3 in my last bug post? Is this fixed or do you need more information?

eac3to has a meaningless way of reporting track numbers... It uses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... just as order/numbers (probably ok for some mkv files) but completely useless when dealing with other files, where track numbers are PIDs. There is no easy way to ask eac3to to convert audio track with PID 0x1101 for example. That is what causes the error.

Hi,

Thanks for adding that uncrop feature in next update! :thanks:
Some resolutions are listed more then one time, and the list is not sorted from smallest size to largest size. Could this list be trimmed and sorted?

No, because the first 20 or something resolutions are computed using current video resolution. The other resolutions are hard-coded just in case user needs to resize to a specific resolution and the imported file is with a weird WxH.

[Dolsen]

If you have a PAL 720x576 4:3 video, that has black border up&down, and the picture area is 16:9 inside the 4:3 frame, then there is 72 black lines below and on top and the picture area is 720x432. If you want to convert that into PAL 720x576 16:9 video, and remove black borders, you should crop with "-72" above and below, to keep correct aspect ratio of final output and no wrong vertical stretching.

Is this conclusion correct? If so, could you add "-72" in the list of available cropping?

No, because the first 20 or something resolutions are computed using current video resolution. The other resolutions are hard-coded just in case user needs to resize to a specific resolution and the imported file is with a weird WxH.

Hi again,

Ah, I see. I thought it was all hardcoded resolutions. That's ok.

I must be tired, my above conclusion had errors... the 16:9 area insize a 720x576 4:3 frame is not 720x432 but 720x405, and that makes ~86 lines of black above and below, or...?

1024/576 = 1,77777778 aspect ratio
720/1,7777778 = 405 vertical lines
576 - 405 = 171 black vertical lines / 2 = ~86 black lines

Now I'm alittle confused, is the correct crop-value -72 or -86 to get a "perfect" 16:9 frame out of a 4:3 frame with 16:9 picture area?

Bye,
Dolsen

[Adub]

Dang it. I tried the encoding again using the Core only option:

[16:12:45] Initialising...
[16:12:45] Checking for new version...
[16:12:46] You have the latest build.
[16:12:46] Your multiAVCHD.exe was just updated!
[16:12:46] Consistency check finished!
[16:12:46] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:12:46] 1 year and 91 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:12:46] 264 people supported it with donations
[16:12:46] and you are the 1349700 one to launch the program...
[16:12:46] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[16:12:46] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04000733]
[16:14:51] All multiAVCHD settings are replaced with project settings!

[16:14:51] Project name: multiAVCHD
[16:14:51] Project loaded: (C:\Users\Adub\Desktop\ingtest3.mpf)
[16:14:51] Project created with build 741 (27/03/2010 02:06:20)

[16:16:39] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[16:16:40] Destination [C:]: NTFS, 95080.95 MiB (92.852 GiB) free space
[16:16:40] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 95080.95 MiB (92.852 GiB) free space

[16:16:40] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.0 (build 741)
[16:16:40] Selected output mode: DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[16:16:40] Processing one title...
[16:16:40] Processing (D:\Multimedia\BluTemp\ING_BASTERDS\BDMV\STREAM\00010.m2ts)...
[16:16:40] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[16:16:40] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[16:16:40] *** Initiating video encoding:

[16:16:40] *** Original : 1920x1080
[16:16:40] *** Crop : 0
[16:16:40] *** Resize : 720x480
[16:16:40] *** Uncrop to : 720x480
[16:16:40] *** Sharpen : 0
[16:16:40] *** Bitrate : 8000 kbps
[16:16:40] *** Frame rate: Original (23.976)
[16:16:40] *** Profile : SD-DVD (MPEG-2)

[16:16:40] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:02:23] (MPEG-2 encoder: QuEnc)
[16:18:09] *** Speed : 38.42 fps (elapsed: 00:01:29 - Realtime x 1.6)
[16:18:09] *** Transcoding successful!

[16:18:10] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG-2 720x480, fps=23.976
[16:18:10] Display properties: 853x480 (AR:1.78)
[16:18:10] SD core will be extracted for track#4352 (und)
[16:18:10] Encoding [DTS] audio to AC3...
[16:18:22] Retrying...


And again eac3to just hangs after saying "Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary". The process manager shows no processor usage at all. I think this may be an eac3to problem, but I have never seen it mentioned before.

Edit: Okay, I'm retrying with the latest version of eac3to 3.18. Will report back.
Edit2: Nope, new version still stops about half way after detecting clipping.

[insaneoctane]

Make sure to install the version of HAALI which I posted here (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17) (direct link (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/haali_MatroskaSplitter_11-01-2009.exe)). Uninstall the version you have, then install this one and during the install make sure to check both [x] MPEG-TS and [x] MPEG-PS. I can see in your screenshot: Title properties (). This should not be blank and should be a valid filename.


Sorry to pester, but this didn't work. I uninstalled my version of HAALI and reinstalled yours making sure to check the "MPEG-TS" and "MPEG-PS" options, but I still get the exact same crash. The title no longer shows () like before (see below). I even tried a newer version of x264.exe just to troubleshoot, but same thing. It just crashes. Here is avs script that x264.exe is crashing on:

directshowsource("W:\MI-1\BDMV\STREAM\00003.MTS",audio=false,framecount=158540,fps=23.976, timeout=15000).trim(8621, 8622).LanczosResize(280,158).addborders(0,0,0,0,$40ff0000).ConvertToRGB24()
ImageWriter("D:\APPS\Video\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\.multiTH\", 1, 1, "jpg")
ConvertToYV12()

Most movie types seem to work fine, it's just this one V-MPEG2 that crashes...I don't know if it's related, but some movies of type V_MS/VFW/WVC1 fail to show a preview when I click on properties (see below). I can click on the window and it plays, but it refuses to show me a preview. Again, don't know if it's related but just trying to help troubleshoot the culprit.

Any advice you can give me would really help.

[crl2007]

This kinda errors are mostly codec related, not related to multiAVCHD. Uninstall all codecs and install only ffdshow + haali, the version posted by deank. The Avisynth errorr are mostly related to bad plugins. I see you have 2 commands that do not belong together in the same avs script: ConvertToRGB24 and ConvertToYV12.

[deank]

The script is okay and ConvertToRGB24 and ConvertToYV12 are both needed.

__________________


Dang it. I tried the encoding again using the Core only option:

And again eac3to just hangs after saying "Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary". The process manager shows no processor usage at all. I think this may be an eac3to problem, but I have never seen it mentioned before.

If you take a look at my log you'll notice that eac3to took almost 40 minutes. It was really slow but completed eventually. I'm using eac3to 3.16.

[deank]

Some additions:

If there are no external subtitles loaded for SD-DVD processing, multiAVCHD will extract the first (internal) PGS/SUP subtitle track (listed in Subtitles tab of title-properties) from a blu-ray playlist or m2ts file and will use it :)

[12:42:11] Creating SD-DVD structure...
[12:42:14] Demuxing subtitles...
[12:42:14] Converting subtitles to DVD format...
[12:42:14] Converting D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100328\pgsdemux\00003.track_4608.sup to SUP (java:BDsup2sub)...
[12:42:15] *** Imported subpictures: 14/14
[12:42:15] Completed!
[12:42:15] Applying pulldown...
[12:42:16] Authoring DVD structure...
[12:42:17] SD-DVD muxing completed!

It will be available shortly as 742.

Dean

[deank]

Build 742:

* Fixed: when BDsup2sub fails to export PGC palette, multiAVCHD will generate one to be used by muxman for the SD DVD subtitles

* Added: multiAVCHD will use the internal subtitles from a blu-ray playlist, .m2ts, .ts, .mts if there are no external subtitles loaded. Subtitles will be extracted and resized to DVD resolution

* Added: "0 top-align" option in the "Crop T/B:" list box. It will TOP-ALIGN the uncropped video - one big black bar at the bottom, instead of 2 equal on both sides

Dean

[daberti]

Build 742:

* Fixed: when BDsup2sub fails to export PGC palette, multiAVCHD will generate one to be used by muxman for the SD DVD subtitles................Dean

Did you enable the >8000kbps encoding option for SD-DVD?

Thanks

[daberti]

Once again even when manually updated with multiUpdate, proggie keeps saying there's an updated 742 version.

[deank]

Yes, it is now restricted to 9800 max. And the update should be okay, too... "proggy", eh? ;) It is now 32204 lines of code... Sometimes hard to follow and fix things.

[claymic]

Hi Dean
as I've always wanted synopsis and information on movies multiavchd menu, I found a way to create backgrounds for the menus, containing all the information I need from the film.

thumbgen (http://thumbgen.blogspot.com/): program that will capture the data and pictures of the movie on the Internet, on sites like imdb, moviedb, amazon.com and many other. Its vary easy to use. We only need chosse the filme and the program will capture every thing about the movie in the net.

TvIxiE : program to create templates for thumbgen. Inside of the Thumbgen we can donwload the this program.
When Thumbgen get the data of the movie, we can automatically generate the background of the movie and save as jpeg, for use in multiavchd
So, with this programas, we can creat a background like this :
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/knowing.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/harrypotterenigaprincipe.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/chinatown.jpg

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/claymic2/007quantumofsolace.jpg

I creat this template now, and i dont have much time for creat a better in this moment. I will creat others templates this week.
Links for this template : Multiavchd template for thumbgen (http://rapidshare.com/files/369140715/MultiavchdTemplate.rar) . if you download this file, extract to the folder templates tiviex.

[daberti]

Yes, it is now restricted to 9800 max. And the update should be okay, too... "proggy", eh? ;) It is now 32204 lines of code... Sometimes hard to follow and fix things.

Sorry SIR :)
My slang underestimated your BEAUTIFUL and DELIGHTFUL program :thanks:
Thanks indeed!

[peppies]

Can you guys explain why my video file is flagged as 1080i in MultiAVCHD when in fact it is a 1080p straight of my camcorder that records natively 1080p at 25fps?

I tried to Alter Detected Properties to PROGRESSIVE but the log still shows that file is seen as interlaced and the resulting video shows the interlacing lines clearly on faster moving scenes.

See the log:

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.0 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 25
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=25
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 384Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2
Processed 14187 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 39 sec
===============================================================================


Playing the same media file in WMP doesn't show any traces of interlacing at all. I'm puzzled.

[Beatnut]

That is definitely not true, because Sony players play multiAVCHD output. If it is related to the burning-part - I can't do anything.

and

This sounds like more of a burning issue than a conversion issue. What program are you using for your BD-RE burning? I recommend the free IMGBurn by LIGHTNING_UK!


Yes, it is probably because of the burning part,

as far as i know, the sony bpd-s300 is only player BD-RE if it is burned with click to disc,

when i use IMGburn it doesnt read it, but when i burn the exact same data to a BD-R it plays just fine.

is there absolotely no way to find out what the difference is between the burn settings?

i mean, it could be that click to disc uses UDF 2.6 instead of 2.5
or ads a simple file to the disc, such as a simple sys file, jsut to let the player know it is burned with click to disc.


does anyone have this program:"click to disc v1.1 or higher" and is capable of burning a BD-RE and playing it succesfully on a Sony bpd-S300 ( i just realise how specific it is), but it would help me out a lot.

[deank]

Thanks indeed! :p Great tool for cool and clever users :)

Can you guys explain why my video file is flagged as 1080i in MultiAVCHD when in fact it is a 1080p straight of my camcorder that records natively 1080p at 25fps?

I'd say it is flagged as interlaced just because it is REALLY interlaced. Load your MTS files in another application and verify its properties. I'm quite sure you'll be disappointed when you find out your camcoder doesn't really encode in progressive but in interlaced format. Some camcoder manufacturers do a lot of tricks to make it LOOK like it is progressive, but surely it is not for the low and middle-end camcoders. 1080p requires a lot of processing power and most consumer camcoders don't do that. If you see these interlaced artifacts (lines) it means that your source is 100% interlaced. You'll never see such thing with progressive video. It doesn't matter what multiAVCHD or tsMuxeR does - these interlaced lines you see are just because the source is interlaced. They should not be visible when you play an authored BDMV or AVCHD on your TV. Don't be fooled by what you see when you plug your AV cables from the camcoder to the TV - it is not the same. Also don't rely on what you see on your computer screen. Your TV will display it better.


Yes, it is probably because of the burning part,


A lot of users do their tests with BD-RE media, so I'll suggest that you do a COMPLETE FULL FORMAT/ERASE of your BD-RE disc with ImgBurn and then try to write a compilation on it.

Dean

[Beatnut]

A lot of users do their tests with BD-RE media, so I'll suggest that you do a COMPLETE FULL FORMAT/ERASE of your BD-RE disc with ImgBurn and then try to write a compilation on it.

Dean


It are Sony BD-RE V2.1 , i bought them new and completely erased formatted and then on the completely empty new BD-RE, and then burn a compilation, the PS3 as well as the Sony BDP-s300 say the cant read it, the PS3 doesn't even show anything.


BD-R work on the PS3 and BDP-S300, so there shouldn't be something wrong with the compilation,

[deank]

Right... It seems you're not really paying attention to my post and I'm trying to help you. I asked you to do a COMPLETE format with ImgBurn and then to try again.

[Beatnut]

Right... It seems you're not really paying attention to my post and I'm trying to help you. I asked you to do a COMPLETE format with ImgBurn and then to try again.

Iam sorry i wasnt clear enough, i did the complete format when i first got the the BD-RE , i used ImgBurn for that, but ill try it again, i also found a site with specification of the

BDP-S300

This utility updates the BDP-S300 firmware to version
5.20
, and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version 4.90:

* Improves BD-Java compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.

Additional improvements over original firmware:

* Compatibility with BD-R/RE discs burned by the Click to Disc™ and Click to Disc™ Editor software included with some VAIO® computers
* Adds Dolby® TrueHD Audio and Dolby Digital Plus Audio decoding functionality.
* Compatibility with the newly released BD-R/RE format (BDMV).

So it probably is only a BDP-S300 issue where i have to live with.

[deank]

Can you post the contents of such BD-RE produced with your VAIO software. If there are some extra files/folders you may try to keep them on your HDD and later add them along with the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders.

I really have no idea what this VAIO software is all about.

Also - another good thing to try is to format one BD-RE disc in another computer and burn a compilation to it (on this same other computer, which is not a VAIO one :) )

[Beatnut]

Well that is the problem actually, I dont have a Vaio computer OR the Vaio software, it is Vaio only, the only thing to download are updates, the software itself is installed by the factory, that is what bothers me so much, because it is probably something small. well, ill do some more research and let you know if it possible to implement in MultiAVCHD to increase compatibility.

Thnx anyway

[peppies]

:p Great tool for cool and clever users :)



I'd say it is flagged as interlaced just because it is REALLY interlaced. Load your MTS files in another application and verify its properties. I'm quite sure you'll be disappointed when you find out your camcoder doesn't really encode in progressive but in interlaced format. Some camcoder manufacturers do a lot of tricks to make it LOOK like it is progressive, but surely it is not for the low and middle-end camcoders. 1080p requires a lot of processing power and most consumer camcoders don't do that. If you see these interlaced artifacts (lines) it means that your source is 100% interlaced. You'll never see such thing with progressive video. It doesn't matter what multiAVCHD or tsMuxeR does - these interlaced lines you see are just because the source is interlaced. They should not be visible when you play an authored BDMV or AVCHD on your TV. Don't be fooled by what you see when you plug your AV cables from the camcoder to the TV - it is not the same. Also don't rely on what you see on your computer screen. Your TV will display it better.

Dean

The source is NOT interlaced. When I'm playing a source file it shows absolutely no interlacing. As soon as it's run through MultiAVCHD and I play it either on a PC or TV the interlacing shows. It will show on TV because my TV is also full HD 1080p LCD screen. Worth to mention - no re-encoding has been done by MultiAVCHD.

The camera is a top of the line Canon's flagship consumer model that has just been released this month Canon HF S21. There is currently no better Canon consumer camcorder on the market. You can check the specs here (http://www.canon.com.au/en-AU/For-You/Digital-Video-Cameras/LEGRIA-Video-Cameras/HFS21). It records NATIVE Progressive 25P (PAL).

[deank]

Ok... I'll put it simple. No progressive source will show the interlaced effects (the scan lines / fields) you see. Neither multiAVCHD nor tsMuxeR can possibly alter your source to make it interlaced if it is progressive - it is SIMPLY not possible without re-encoding.

A possible 'problem' could be that Blu-ray does not support 25fps progressive. It supports 1920x1080@50i and it is possible that your TV switches to 1080i when playing the compilation.

There is not much I can do about it. Your camcoder produces non-compliant format (neither AVCHD nor Blu-ray compliant).

There are a lot of multiAVCHD users in PAL region (Poland for example) and non of them have such problems.

Or to put it even simplier: You have a cool top-of-the-line camcoder, which shoots in HD but is not AVCHD compliant, just like a lot of other HD camcoders.

1) What is the original output format that your camcoder produces?
2) What software is bundled with your camcoder to help you share your recordings with other people (like DVD or AVCHD or Blu-ray output)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying your camcoder is the bad link - quite the opposite - neither Blu-ray or AVCHD are top-of the line video standards. These are couple of years old standards and there are a lot of camcoders shooting video with higher-than-supported bitrates/framerates/levels...

There will be another revision of the Blu-ray standard soon which will hopefully cover the technology advance. It is just that you're a bit a head and it will make it a bit harder.

Dean

[peppies]

Thanks Dean for your answer. Will try to get more info on this.

[Adub]

If you take a look at my log you'll notice that eac3to took almost 40 minutes. It was really slow but completed eventually. I'm using eac3to 3.16.

Yeah, it may take a long time, but shouldn't it be using atleast some CPU usage?

I tried multiAVCHD on a different Blu-ray (The Dark Knight) and it worked 100%!

I'm going to try using meGUI's HD Stream Extractor to see if it is having the same problems. Will report back.

[deank]

Thank you, Adub!

My gratitude and thanks for what you are doing!

And more - about the guides you publish. I read a lot of guides and your are one of these I needed as a beginner!

Dean

[Atak_Snajpera]

There is currently no better Canon consumer camcorder on the market. You can check the specs here. It records NATIVE Progressive 25P (PAL).
You haven't seen sony hdr-550ve in action! Awesome low light performance + wide angle lense 30mm + awesome image stabilization + support for SD cards as well + manual settings + and so on... However it is not cheap. Still costs around 1100 euro :( This site has raw m2ts files (http://www.videoaktiv.de/Table/Testvideos/) You will see that all canon camcorders are terrible in low light conditions. Ugly blue noise and loss in details is unforgivable! Waste of money.

Or to put it even simplier: You have a cool top-of-the-line camcoder, which shoots in HD but is not AVCHD compliant, just like a lot of other HD camcoders.

AVCHD camcorders are AVCHD compliant! 25fps (PAL) and 29.97 (NTSC) is allowed in 1080p as well as in 720p (AVCHDlite).

[Adub]

Hmm, running the command line through eac3to by hand seemed to work just fine, but I didn't try it line for line like what multiAVCHD does. I'll try that next.

Oh, and by the time you read this I should have the guide updated as you requested.

[turbojet]

Internal subs from BD sources work now in 742 but I noticed only one was kept while there were 3 selected, I also notice this with audio. Any chance of removing this limitation?

Also is there any chance of multiple selection (shift/ctrl + click) for media pane and audio/subs panes?