Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[Aleksoid1978]

I am confused

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2218/80sz.png

Here it doesn't list 24bit/88.2kHz, 24bit/176.4kHz or 32bit/anykHz. So doesn't that mean these are not supported?

About 24/32bit - you AVR support 24bit padded to 32. In setting you see 24bit, but really - is 32bit(24 padded to 32).

[mindbomb]

I am confused
Here it doesn't list 24bit/88.2kHz, 24bit/176.4kHz or 32bit/anykHz. So doesn't that mean these are not supported?

It means when mpc audio renderer asks if these formats are supported, it will get an answer of no.
The fact that the format is indeed supported makes for a complicated situation.

[Aleksoid1978]

Who use WASAPI Exclusive - please test this builds
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_16a.7z
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_16b.7z
Need to check - was better or worse than it was.
Also pay attention to the A/V Sync.

[AngelGraves13]

Who use WASAPI Exclusive - please test this builds
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_16a.7z
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_16b.7z
Need to check - was better or worse than it was.
Also pay attention to the A/V Sync.

Sync is always off. It seems to steadily get worse as the file progresses until it gets to the point that you can clearly see their lips and audio do not match.

As much as I want to use MPC Audio Renderer, I'll just have to set it back to System Default.

I'm using LAV Filters as well.

[Keiyakusha]

I just noticed interesting thing.
YV12 limited range video, in my case 1920x1080, standard HD matrix. Played back with madvr
1) in MPC-BE go File - Save image - save as bmp
2) go in fullscreen on 1080p display, press PrintScreen, paste result into MS Paint, save as BMP
(fullscreen is not really required, use windowed if your display is bigger. its just to capture the whole frame without scaling.)

Resulting images 1 and 2 will be different. Is this expected?
Difference is very small and can't be seen easily. It needs to be amplified a lot.

P.S. yes I'm sure that I compared the same frame. I tested on a uncompressed video with 1-frame looped 2000 times.

[Aleksoid1978]

I just noticed interesting thing.
YV12 limited range video, in my case 1920x1080, standard HD matrix. Played back with madvr
1) in MPC-BE go File - Save image - save as bmp
2) go in fullscreen on 1080p display, press PrintScreen, paste result into MS Paint, save as BMP
(fullscreen is not really required, use windowed if your display is bigger. its just to capture the whole frame without scaling.)

Resulting images 1 and 2 will be different. Is this expected?
Difference is very small and can't be seen easily. It needs to be amplified a lot.

P.S. yes I'm sure that I compared the same frame. I tested on a uncompressed video with 1-frame looped 2000 times.

I think it's question to the madVR.

[madshi]

PrintScreen captures the image after the whole processing chain, including 3dlut, gamma processing, etc etc. The MPC screenshot functionality get the image directly after decoding and color conversion, so it has less processing applied to it. Also, dithering consists of random noise being added to the image. So you'll never get exactly the same image output (bit by bit), due to dithering.

[Aleksoid1978]

Sync is always off. It seems to steadily get worse as the file progresses until it gets to the point that you can clearly see their lips and audio do not match.

As much as I want to use MPC Audio Renderer, I'll just have to set it back to System Default.

I'm using LAV Filters as well.

Try this - http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_19b.7z

[ontherocks]

Could the Input/Output information which is displayed in the MPC Audio Renderer "Status" tab also be put in the player status bar, so that it's always visible or available via shortcut key?

One more question on the image below:

http://i.imgur.com/lOELjTR.png

For bit-exact, shouldn't the Output Format be 32bit Float?

[VipZ]

Noticed an issue with file association. When the modify button is chosen it does not update the current dialog but spawns a new one.


Will do some testing with mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_19b.7z and will let you know how it goes

[Aleksoid1978]

Could the Input/Output information which is displayed in the MPC Audio Renderer "Status" tab also be put in the player status bar, so that it's always visible or available via shortcut key?

One more question on the image below:

http://i.imgur.com/lOELjTR.png

For bit-exact, shouldn't the Output Format be 32bit Float?

1 - WASAPI Exclusive support only 16/24(32)int output.
2 - when use bit-exact, renderer is trying to use input parameters, if not - it uses the formats supported by your system.

[Aleksoid1978]

WASAPI, check this builds :)
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_20a.7z
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_20b.7z

[v0lt]

MPC-BE v1.2.1.0 -dev build 3022 (http://dev.mpc-next.ru/index.php/topic,1628.msg9035.html#msg9035)

[Thingol]

Hi guys,

Turkish translation is a bit old and I want to help for a complete translation. How can I get the latest language file and which file needs to be translated?

Thanks.

[Aleksoid1978]

Hi guys,

Turkish translation is a bit old and I want to help for a complete translation. How can I get the latest language file and which file needs to be translated?

Thanks.

http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/mplayerc.tr.rc.txt

[alexins]

Hi guys,

Turkish translation is a bit old and I want to help for a complete translation. How can I get the latest language file and which file needs to be translated?

Thanks.

Files with changes translation available for download here (http://svnlog.mpc-next.ru/listing.php?repname=MPC-BE+Team&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fsrc%2Fapps%2Fmplayerc%2Fmpcresources%2Ftext%2F&#a07895aeb8a8c3dc43d462a92bab27725) :)

[mark0077]

I can do that. Everyone will be happy in this case? ;)

Is there any plans to revert back the changes relating to the way mpc-be goes into fullscreen mode on startup.

I also now notice that it used to be possible to open a video with mpc-be in fullscreen and madVR would report 0 dropped frames at startup. Now due to the delayed way mpc goes into windowed, then fullscreen, then madVR FSE, I get about 60-100 frames at startup

This is a huge backward step IMO for HTPC users

[ontherocks]

1 - WASAPI Exclusive support only 16/24(32)int output.
2 - when use bit-exact, renderer is trying to use input parameters, if not - it uses the formats supported by your system.
Ok. So it means my hardware/driver supports 32bit Integer and not 32bit Float.

One more question.
As per my understanding, WASAPI (exclusive) is equivalent to bit-exact, then why is there an additional toggle "Allow bit-exact output"? What extra does it do?

[v0lt]

MPC-BE v1.2.1.0 -dev build 3030 (http://dev.mpc-next.ru/index.php/topic,1633.msg9066.html#msg9066)

[SamKook]

WASAPI, check this builds :)
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_20a.7z
http://aleksoid.voserver.net/MPC-BE/WASAPI/mpc-be.exe_WASAPI_EXCLUSIVE_20b.7z

I didn't have any glitch with v20a, but I noticed it went out of sync once after an hour and a half on the last movie I watched.

I haven't had time to try v20b yet.

[AngelGraves13]

Yeah, they all go out of sync for me...

[ontherocks]

Ok. So it means my hardware/driver supports 32bit Integer and not 32bit Float.

One more question.
As per my understanding, WASAPI (exclusive) is equivalent to bit-exact, then why is there an additional toggle "Allow bit-exact output"? What extra does it do?

Anyone has an idea about this?

[SamKook]

It was added because without it, the default set in Windows configuration was used.

[Keiyakusha]

ontherocks
wasapi is a different way to render audio. Phrase "equivalent to bit-exact" makes no sense in this context. When you tick that "Allow bit-exact output" option, then it tries to pass stream without changes, if possible.

[Aleksoid1978]

Yeah, they all go out of sync for me...

You test with internal filter ?? If no - try with only internal filters(Audio Decoder).
I use MPC-BE only with internal filters and no have any A/V Sync issue.

[blackjack12]

Will post a sample when have the time but latest MPC-BE release and builds do not show PGS subtitles in Avatar. ... MPC-HC has no issues.

PGS subtitles for other samples appear fine without extensive testing. The Avatar PGS subs use an unusual font and color and have always been a tricky test case for subtitle viewing. MPC-HC has reproduced correctly for a long time and I believe (but not sure) that older MPC-BE versions worked without issue as well.

This is an MKV rip using MakeMKV direct from the BD and remuxed using latest mkvmerge version 6.3.

Good: All subtitles appear with correct font, color, etc.
MPC-HC latest release and development builds with integrated LAV filters.
MadVR 0.86.8 and EVRCP tested

Bad: No subtitles can be seen even though are available, forced, etc.
Latest MPC-BE release and test build
LAV 0.58.1 external filters and MPC-BE internal filters tested
MadVR 0.86.8 and EVRCP tested

Apologize this may not be detail needed but don't have the time to provide more.

Had made full switch to MPC-BE until found this issue and have now gone back to latest MPC-HC builds with internal LAV filters.

UPDATE Sample Post:
Sample posted here - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/imu7ac8ki3ehmwj/1ke92p39ls
Sample must be downloaded and not just previewed in Dropbox.

[Aleksoid1978]

Will post a sample when have the time but latest MPC-BE release and builds do not show PGS subtitles in Avatar. ... MPC-HC has no issues.

PGS subtitles for other samples appear fine without extensive testing. The Avatar PGS subs use an unusual font and color and have always been a tricky test case for subtitle viewing. MPC-HC has reproduced correctly for a long time and I believe (but not sure) that older MPC-BE versions worked without issue as well.

This is an MKV rip using MakeMKV direct from the BD and remuxed using latest mkvmerge version 6.3.

Good: All subtitles appear with correct font, color, etc.
MPC-HC latest release and development builds with integrated LAV filters.
MadVR 0.86.8 and EVRCP tested

Bad: No subtitles can be seen even though are available, forced, etc.
Latest MPC-BE release and test build
LAV 0.58.1 external filters and MPC-BE internal filters tested
MadVR 0.86.8 and EVRCP tested

Apologize this may not be detail needed but don't have the time to provide more.

Had made full switch to MPC-BE until found this issue and have now gone back to latest MPC-HC builds with internal LAV filters.

UPDATE Sample Post:
Sample posted here - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/imu7ac8ki3ehmwj/1ke92p39ls
Sample must be downloaded and not just previewed in Dropbox.

Test - subtitle display with internal splitter & LAV + EVR CP. If you have issue - can you make a screen capture(video).

[blackjack12]

Thanks for quick reply

Yes - the internal splitter with MPC-BE "fixed" the issue with EVRCP, did not test yet with MadVR but assume it will be fine there as well.

... But why does LAV splitter work fine with MPC-HC ... ?

Have you found other issues with the LAV splitter? I have been using for a long time and it has been my standard.

[Aleksoid1978]

Thanks for quick reply

Yes - the internal splitter with MPC-BE "fixed" the issue with EVRCP, did not test yet with MadVR but assume it will be fine there as well.

... But why does LAV splitter work fine with MPC-HC ... ?

Have you found other issues with the LAV splitter? I have been using for a long time and it has been my standard.

LAV Splitter work fine with MPC-BE. I test you sample with LAV too and all ok, subtitle is displayed.

[blackjack12]

LAV Splitter work fine with MPC-BE. I test you sample with LAV too and all ok, subtitle is displayed.

That's interesting ... when I use the LAV splitter it does not work on any of 5 different systems tested ... :confused:

[wanezhiling]

Works fine here: http://i.imgur.com/kjbaxcc.jpg

Update your LAV and reset it (Delete [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\LAV])

[blackjack12]

Works fine here: http://i.imgur.com/kjbaxcc.jpg

Update your LAV and reset it (Delete [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\LAV])

Thanks ... I will try it and found that with the default LAV splitter config it was selecting "forced" PGS subs which these are not.

When viewing splitter output and selecting "default" they play fine.

If turn off the "Enable automatic forced sutitle stream" in LAV Splitter all is fine again ...

Something is behaving differently and LAV is seeing "forced" when not there.

I did do a reset and it was not the issue. Still had to change the LAV splitter not to use "Enable automatic forced ..." which is the default.

Bottom line ... the same file works with the default LAV splitter settings with MPC-HC and not MPC-BE ... ? Correctable, but something has changed.

[wanezhiling]

@blackjack12, Uncheck "Default track preference" under Playback tab in MPC-BE.

[blackjack12]

@blackjack12, Uncheck "Default track preference" under Playback tab in MPC-BE.

Thanks ... that did it! ... :thanks:

[ontherocks]

ontherocks
wasapi is a different way to render audio. Phrase "equivalent to bit-exact" makes no sense in this context. When you tick that "Allow bit-exact output" option, then it tries to pass stream without changes, if possible.
Thanks for the info.

[ontherocks]

How do you display the video details on top of video as mentioned here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1633391&postcount=1227)

http://i.imgur.com/iHJFHLX.png

[onomatopellan]

How do you display the video details on top of video as mentioned here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1633391&postcount=1227)

http://i.imgur.com/iHJFHLX.png
CONTROl+J

[ontherocks]

CONTROl+J
Thanks :thanks:

[ontherocks]

How am I able to control volume in MPC BE in spite having WASAPI Exclusive?

[z_mashine]

How am I able to control volume in MPC BE in spite having WASAPI Exclusive?

as well as usual.

[ontherocks]

as well as usual.
Oh I see.
I was under the impression that all sorts of volume controls & DSPs become ineffective in WASAPI.

[wanezhiling]

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1636617&postcount=15670
Same is mpc-be

[Aleksoid1978]

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1636617&postcount=15670
Same is mpc-be

I know - it's happened because ffmpeg's developer rewrite code for demux & decode wavpack. But in mkv in't store at old method :)

I think developer's of mkvtoolnix do not change method of store wavpack format.

[wanezhiling]

Oh thanks, i uploaded a new clip with 2 audios.:)

[nevcairiel]

The mkv format will most likely never change, so i changed the mkv demuxer to generate the new format in LAV, and all works again.

[Mercury_22]

Weird bug = rename any file to .tif (or any name that contains this group e.g. .tif.mp4, .tif.mkv, test.tif.mkv, test.tif.mp4, test.tiftest.mp4 ... ) and MPC-BE won't play it or even crash (MPC-HC doesn't have this problem)

[Aleksoid1978]

Weird bug = rename any file to .tif (or any name that contains this group e.g. .tif.mp4, .tif.mkv, test.tif.mkv, test.tif.mp4, test.tiftest.mp4 ... ) and MPC-BE won't play it or even crash (MPC-HC doesn't have this problem)

Fix :)

[wanezhiling]

XySubFilter has been released (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168282), which supports external PGS/HDMV subtitles as well.

Something must be wrong... default settings (means EVR-CP and auto-load sub option on), XySubFilter is loaded unexpectedly (http://i1.tietuku.com/2013/0719/17/13742566907546.png) when playing embedded-sub files and no sub is shown in mpc-be, same behavior in mpc-hc while sub is shown.

[pirlouy]

I think you're aware of it, but it seems you have to do something (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1637522#post1637522) in order to have external subs to work with XySubFilter.

[arrgh]

Hi
maybe a stupid question, but are there any plans/chances that a playback of 3D-mkv files, like those generated by MakeMkv, might be possible in future?