Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[v0lt]

MPC Video Renderer 0.5.2.1607 (https://github.com/Aleksoid1978/VideoRenderer/releases/tag/0.5.2)
Description (https://github.com/Aleksoid1978/VideoRenderer/blob/0.5.2/Readme.md)

Changes:
Fixed getting the displayed frame when outputting RGB 10-bit.
Fixed display of BGRA64 format.
Added support for BGR48 format.
Added correction after incorrect (unsupported) conversion from YCbCr BT.2020 to RGB after DXVA2 and D3D11 VP.
Fixed playback of some protected DVD-Videos.
Improved "Auto display HDR On/Off" option.
Fixed converting color space using shaders.
Various additions and fixes in statistics.

[Klaus1189]

Where do I find STRING IDS_MAINFRM_61 to check in GUI?

So I can check :)

[Aleksoid1978]

So I can check :)

It's message when trying load subtitles and video-renderer is not compatible.

[chros]

Yes, and brutal stuttering as well even with SDR (1080p/2160p) content :)

Here's the interesting part: it works fine at 59Hz!!! (even with 23p/25p videos)
Issue happens if I set the TV (in Windows adapter settings) to:
- 23Hz with 23p video
- 25Hz with 25p video

I have 2 displays connected to the HTPC:
- monitor via DVI (only supports 60Hz, so I can't try it on this)
- TV via HDMI (supports 23/24/25/29/30/50/59/60Hz)

Something is not right. And as I said this only happens when Lav Video is set to d3d11-native and d3d11 output is enabled in mpcVR (more visible with "Flip" presentation).

Same with fullscreen exclusive. There's nothing on the stats screen.
But I could recreate it on my monitor as well:
it seems the problem only occurs when fps = display Hz or really close to it (59p on 60Hz)!
So, to try to reproduce it, play back:
- 1080p/2160p 59p SDR video on monitor @ 60Hz
- set LAV Video to d3d11 native (not copyback)
- set mpcVR to d3d11 and set Flip presentation
- it happens in window or fullscreen too

Can anyone reproduce this crazy stutter?

If I set Vertical Sync only to "Fast" in nvidia control panel the problem seems to go away and it works on TV and monitor as well. (None of the other vsync values help.)
- nvidia says about Fast: "GPU renders unconstrained similar to VSYNC OFF, but does not tear since frames in excess of the refresh rate of the monitor are dropped. Delivers latency that is very close to VSYNC off with no tearing"
- from this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4jsj9j/so_what_is_the_difference_between_fast_sync_and/): "FAST-SYNC - De-coupled rendering and monitor refresh. VSYNC OFF but the monitor will only render completely rendered frames, thus eliminating tearing (MINOR input lag but NO TEARING! ) also it is monitor agnostic so it will work with any screen. It is analogous to hardware triple buffering but does not back-pressure the render pipeline."

I have never used this option, it was always on "Use the 3D application setting", so I don't know what affect it has with e.g. madvr.
But from this it's clear that it's some kind of timing issue with those settings.

Edit: yep, Fast vsync produces tearing with madvr, so it's not a solution :)

HLG suppot: a huge (!!!) thank You guys for this!
I watched couple of contents (using dxva2-copyback to don't have tearing/stuttering) and the result is absolutely stunning!

MPC Video Renderer 0.5.2.1607 (https://github.com/Aleksoid1978/VideoRenderer/releases/tag/0.5.2)


Thanks guys for the new release!
An update about the stuttering issue after short testing (last lavfilters (https://files.1f0.de/lavf/nightly/LAVFilters-0.74.1-92.exe) is used from December):
- tested with SDR 59p on 60Hz monitor
- mpc-be starts in window mode: no stuttering
- put it into fullscreen (ctrl+enter): stuttering
- skip back/forward (left/right arrow keys) and let it play: no stuttering!!!
- put it into window (ctrl+enter): stuttering
- skip back/forward (left/right arrow keys) and let it play: no stuttering!!!

[Aleksoid1978]

Test with MPC-BE + internal filters.

chros - do you use DX9/DX11, Fulscreen or Fullscreen exclusive ?

[clsid]

I have also seen a few reports from people who had stuttering when switching to or from fullscreen with MPCVR. I don't think issues is related to player or decoding filters.

Default settings, so DX9 non-exclusive. Mostly people with Intel GPUs. Using DX11 often solved it.

[chros]

Test with MPC-BE + internal filters.

chros - do you use DX9/DX11, Fulscreen or Fullscreen exclusive ?

Internal filters are fine since they use dxva2-copyback, as I said above the problem only appears when you use:
- d3d11-native (in lav video decoder)
- and the framerate of the file is close to the refresh rate of the display (e.g. 59p and 60Hz, 25p and 25Hz, etc)

In mpcVR: DX11, no Fullscreen exclusive. (I can upload a screenshot of the settings if you need it)

Now I watch an HLG file, and stuttering happens randomly even if I skip back/forward, but previously it was way worse.

I asked this before: has anyone tried/managed to recreate the issue? :)

[Klaus1189]

It's message when trying load subtitles and video-renderer is not compatible.

Thanks, but unfortunately I don't can trigger this error-message. Can you or v0lt please check for me the length of the german translation if it fits and is not cut off? I am pretty sure it is a window like when you check for updates and will be fine, but to be sure. Only a small thing. I beg to do that little favor, it won't be much time in your programming environment (Check with 200% window scaling would be nice too, if that is possible) Thanks in advance :)

[senzaparole]

1. Try latest SVN - https://yadi.sk/d/hlf1lfC8mKU58/!_last
3. Try change WASAPI method, Device buffer.

I solved the problem!!!!! In the MPC Audio Renderer settings it was enough to change the DEVICE BUFFER from 50 ms to DEFAULT!
Now I don't lose frames anymore and madVR's OSD is perfect!
Thanks for your help!: D

[Aleksoid1978]

I don't understand what you mean "stuttering" ? Maybe more detail explain, screenshot/video ???
I use DX11 + FSE, all perfect after switching window/FSE mode.

[ryrynz]

He was dropping frames and for some reason the frames were repeating more often too (audio buffer shouldn't affect this) You can see his posts in the MadVR forum.

[Kl3r]

Hi! I am using MPC-BE in its stable version. It's my video player and I find it great!

I see on this forum that it is possible to install other extensions (madVR, LAV, ...).

Is the software not sufficient on its own? I don't quite understand it because I find the software to work fine "by default".

I have a 1080p display (not HDR), is this interesting for me?

[v0lt]

Is the software not sufficient on its own? I don't quite understand it because I find the software to work fine "by default".
It will be useful to install LAV Splitter in the system to support HLS streams and some rare formats. You don't need the rest.

[Grimsdyke]

In LAV splitter you can also increase cache size to quite high values which "can" be useful on systems with weaker/older hardware.

[v0lt]

In LAV splitter you can also increase cache size to quite high values which "can" be useful on systems with weaker/older hardware.
Probably not.

[Aleksoid1978]

He was dropping frames and for some reason the frames were repeating more often too (audio buffer shouldn't affect this) You can see his posts in the MadVR forum.

Can somebody record video with enabled statistics in MPC VR. I never see drop or repeat frames - it's happened only when system is slow for decoding/output.

[cmhrky]

Latest Turkish translation (https://www.sendspace.com/file/bb7hfl) with some fixes based on r5964.

[chros]

Edit: maybe "Flip" presentation is the problem? (But I think "Flip" was forced with HDR output previously, maybe I'll try with Discard now.)
No, it's there with "Discard" as well on the TV with 23p/23Hz.

I just tried mpcVR with PotPlayer, since it also supports d3d11-native via its internal video decoders (probably taken from Lavfilters :)), it can be seen its OSD (TAB key):
- same issue, no matter whether "Disard" or "Flip" is used

The interesting part is, they have their own built-in d3d11 renderer that works fine with all its 4 modes:
- discard
- sequential
- Flip discard
- Flip sequential

So I think it's a bug somewhere in mpcVR, because only the renderer is changed in Potplayer, nothing else.

[v0lt]

@Klaus1189, @s0meone_new, @wushantao, @cmhrky
Thanks. Translations updated in r5956, r5957, r5965.

[Aleksoid1978]

I can't reproduce "bug" with MPC VR, so can't do something. No one provided any evidence, preferably in the form of a video recording with included statistics ...

[JarrettH]

Hello everyone!
I have a problem with MPC-BE and madVR.
If from windows I set the audio output "topping" to send the audio to the DAC / AMP Topping to listen to headphones, madvr goes crazy: I lose many frames.

If instead from windows I set the optical output of the motherboard to send the audio to the DAC / AMP for listening in headphones, madvr works as well as ever.
This problem is only with MPC-BE. With MPC-HC no problem both if the audio output is "topping" and if the audio output is "optical"

In MPC-BE I added LAV video and audio filters to MPC-BE.
And they are the same as MPC-HC.

Are you running at least 4.86 usb driver on the Topping? Don't ask me why, but 4.86 fixed something for me having to do audio issues I was experiencing in MPC-BE under WASAPI.

https://www.tpdz.net/download

[chros]

I can't reproduce "bug" with MPC VR, so can't do something. No one provided any evidence, preferably in the form of a video recording with included statistics ...
Sorry, I deleted those when I edited the post above, here they are:
- recorded bug (https://we.tl/t-t5vbaUH3EY) (SDR hevc 2160p 59p file on 1080p 60Hz monitor)
- settings (https://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/us5zYkr2uf/86MtUCjxdCRgfdIE)

Try to recreate with Lav settings and PotPLayer (OSD should display d3d11 VLD decoder).

[Aleksoid1978]

Sorry, I deleted those when I edited the post above, here they are:
- recorded bug (https://we.tl/t-t5vbaUH3EY) (SDR hevc 2160p 59p file on 1080p 60Hz monitor)
- settings (https://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/us5zYkr2uf/86MtUCjxdCRgfdIE)

Try to recreate with Lav settings and PotPLayer (OSD should display d3d11 VLD decoder).

Ok thanks. Try uncheck NV12/P010 and other.

[v0lt]

recorded bug (https://we.tl/t-t5vbaUH3EY) (SDR hevc 2160p 59p file on 1080p 60Hz monitor)
Looks like messed up frame order after decoder or deinterlacing.

[chros]

Looks like messed up frame order after decoder or deinterlacing.
Probably (it's a progressive video, so no deint), it looks like those old childish puzzle games sometimes :)
But if I understand it right (see below), the above nvidia setting (Vertical Sync set to "Fast") now make sense why it made a difference.

Ok thanks. Try uncheck NV12/P010 and other.
That solved it! :) Thanks

So what does that Video Processor section mean in mpcVR?
Does it mean that all those operations done by the GPU driver instead of mpcVR shaders (in my case luma/chroma scaling)?
If so, then it's really confusing, I wonder how many other people use them wrong :)

[senzaparole]

Are you running at least 4.86 usb driver on the Topping? Don't ask me why, but 4.86 fixed something for me having to do audio issues I was experiencing in MPC-BE under WASAPI.

https://www.tpdz.net/download

hi, thanks for the reply. I had the E30 / L30 Topping but returned to the seller for the known issues.
Today the SMSL M500 arrived and I have the exact same problem: madVR goes crazy! As with the Topping, I solved it by setting the DEVICE BUFFER to default

[senzaparole]

I don't understand what you mean "stuttering" ? Maybe more detail explain, screenshot/video ???
I use DX11 + FSE, all perfect after switching window/FSE mode.

Here is the screenshot of MPC-HC in playback mode:
https://i.ibb.co/FXZrk6p/mpc-hc-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/kJb7VKZ)



Here is the screenshot of MPC-BE in playback mode:
https://i.ibb.co/qJs9P22/mpc-be.jpg (https://ibb.co/0sMZdzz)

[Aleksoid1978]

That solved it! :) Thanks

So what does that Video Processor section mean in mpcVR?
Does it mean that all those operations done by the GPU driver instead of mpcVR shaders (in my case luma/chroma scaling)?
If so, then it's really confusing, I wonder how many other people use them wrong :)

When NV12/P010 and other check - color conversion YUV -> RGB do DX9/D3D11 video processor(some functional in GPU driver). When uncheck - color conversion do MPC VR using own shaders.

[cmhrky]

Can you add the "Zoom +" and "Zoom -" commands to the zoom options? The 50%, 100%, 200% and Zoom Auto Fit commands are insufficient to set intermediate values. It is also really difficult to adjust intermediate values with the mouse. It might be nice to set it up with mouse and keyboard shortcuts. (Alt + 5, Alt + 6, Ctrl + Mouse Wheel Up / Down ...)

[chros]

When NV12/P010 and other check - color conversion YUV -> RGB do DX9/D3D11 video processor(some functional in GPU driver). When uncheck - color conversion do MPC VR using own shaders.
Thanks for the explanation.
I think those settings needs more documentation, e.g. tooltip, or on the github page?

[beter]

Update for translation of Traditional Chinese and Dutch

https://www.sendspace.com/file/t0gdnp

[v0lt]

@beter
Thanks. Updated in r5978.

Can you add the "Zoom +" and "Zoom -" commands to the zoom options? The 50%, 100%, 200% and Zoom Auto Fit commands are insufficient to set intermediate values. It is also really difficult to adjust intermediate values with the mouse. It might be nice to set it up with mouse and keyboard shortcuts. (Alt + 5, Alt + 6, Ctrl + Mouse Wheel Up / Down ...)
Are you sure you need to resize the window? After all, an arbitrary window size can be easily obtained using the mouse and the "Limit window proportions on resize" option.

You can change the size of the frame using the Num1 and Num9 keys.

PS: I do not add key combinations for new commands, users will have to do it themselves. Because too many keys have already been used.

[cmhrky]

The "Limit window proportions on resize" option is active. I usually use it in window mode and I use it with default (https://i.hizliresim.com/G3Cfgs.jpg) windows settings.

When I want to adjust it to the applications I use, the zoom options often fall short, because it's either too big or too small. It is also difficult to adjust with the mouse. I thought it could be adjusted quickly with "Zoom +/-".

I wrote the key combinations as an example. It doesn't need to be the default.

[cmhrky]

I prepared a toolbar.svg and flybar.svg with the icons here (https://www.svgrepo.com/collection/fluent-ui-icons-outlined/1). If you want to try, you can download (https://www.sendspace.com/file/f3m2vo)it.

Main source of icons: Fluent UI System Icons (https://github.com/microsoft/fluentui-system-icons)

https://i.hizliresim.com/jfTBkd.jpg

[Klaus1189]

Wow :eek:

[ryrynz]

Make this the new default imo, only problem is that the icons have thin lines on dark backgrounds. The new icons look nicer but I prefer the bold look of the old ones.
cmhrky, can you increase thickness of the lines of these icons by maybe 50%, I think it will help a lot.

[v0lt]

@ryrynz
If you don't like the new SVG toolbars, then you can use the old toolbar_xx.png (https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/src/apps/mplayerc/res/obsolete/).
Take the desired size, rename it to "toolbar.png" and put it in the player folder.

@cmhrky
The microphone for selecting audio tracks looks strange. I think a note icon (https://www.svgrepo.com/svg/309789/music) would be more appropriate.

[Grimsdyke]

@cmhrky
Great work, but I also think using a microphone for an audio out function is not the best solution. I think you should create an icon based on a speaker symbol and give it your spin. Thanks !!

[cmhrky]

@ryrynz
I prepared 2 files of different thickness. I added it inside the zip file.

@volt, @Grimsdyke

https://i.hizliresim.com/s62ht1.jpg (https://www.sendspace.com/file/v3d50p)

[Klaus1189]

4 and 5 are amazing. Love how the audio icon is also in a rounded rectangle just like the subtitle icon.

[ryrynz]

@ryrynz
If you don't like the new SVG toolbars, then you can use the old toolbar_xx.png (https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/src/apps/mplayerc/res/obsolete/).
Take the desired size, rename it to "toolbar.png" and put it in the player folder.


I am aware.. It's not that I dislike them, it's not so different to what was originally there but these are certainly better and more modern.
I think most would agree, which is why I said I think they should be the default but I also understand you've just updated the old style so I didn't expect it.

Thanks cmhrky, I will take a look.

The thickness of the flybar is good. The toolbar also needs extra too. Look. @1920x1200 400% zoom. Needs to be more in line with system taskbar icons (wifi, volume etc)
This weak strength of the lines is obvious even without enlargement but I have done so to highlight the issues here.
https://i.ibb.co/0rX599W/Image2.jpg

Volt, I know you probably won't update the toolbar, but the flybar should be updated to flybar (2).svg, It's much better.
https://i.ibb.co/hmfGRjM/Image55.jpg

[patul]

I like the first and second.. Agree with v0lt, the note symbol is just lovely..

[Asmodian]

I like the first and second the most too. Probably the second over the first, since the width is similar to the other icons.

[v0lt]

@cmhrky
Please сhoose 2-4 good toolbars, put them in different folders, rename to toolbar.svg, add readme.txt, and pack it into one ZIP archive.
I will upload this archive to SourceForge.net (https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/files/Toolbars/).

[tormento]

It's a long time I don't update MPC-BE and, now that I updated to last two nightly, the time in the bar skips second or doesn't run at all.

I have tried with internal or LAV filters, default renderer or MPC renderer. No solution.

The very same MKV files play ok on MPC-HC with MPC renderer and LAV filters.

Anybody else with this issue?

[Aleksoid1978]

It's a long time I don't update MPC-BE and, now that I updated to last two nightly, the time in the bar skips second or doesn't run at all.

I have tried with internal or LAV filters, default renderer or MPC renderer. No solution.

The very same MKV files play ok on MPC-HC with MPC renderer and LAV filters.

Anybody else with this issue?

Try reset settings.

[clsid]

@cmhrky
Can you make one for MPC-HC as well?

current toolbar.svg (https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/blob/develop/src/mpc-hc/res/toolbar.svg)

[cmhrky]

@ryrynz
I can't make much changes to most svg files but I guess I was able to fix it a bit. I will prepare another toolbar.svg by drawing it myself. It will be better.

@volt
toolbar_flybar_svg.zip (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FbJ9CEMJOQqAjvh7C7jdNSEBNWfjSLyY/view?usp=sharing)


... the time in the bar skips second ...

Anybody else with this issue?

When I close the status bar with "View> Status" and "View> Presets ...> Compact" skips second.

[Klaus1189]

@cmhrky:
The toolbars look great :D Thank you for that.
I tried the files you uploaded and found a little cosmetic issue:
#3 is fine, but the corner around the speaker of #4 is a bit weird. I don't know how to decribe it, I made screenshots:
#3 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VzoPaxRbBAwBTwVa0qipTNqBvAzsoKaF/view?usp=sharing)
#4 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h-_MYxNa52EGiGEUoMHHnFwxkGV7iYuT/view?usp=sharing)

I use a 3840x2160p screen and 200% windows scaling, if this is needed.

[Aleksoid1978]

When I close the status bar with "View> Status" and "View> Presets ...> Compact" skips second.

Already fixed.