Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[maor26]

you "can't" port a directshow player to linux.

linux has neither directshow and dirtectx.

Maybe They can use other projects like Gstreamer/ffmpeg/others to replace the use of directshow in a linux version.

[huhn]

yes they could write a completely new player and none of the things you have named is an directshow replacement.

[maor26]

yes they could write a completely new player and none of the things you have named is an directshow replacement.

No one asked them to write a new player....I was only asking if it was possible to make a linux compatible version.
And as far as i know the things I suggested are equivalent to at least a part of directshow and that is why I suggested the use of them(or other projects).

[huhn]

to port it you have to create a new player they are already using ffmpeg.

[nevcairiel]

I was only asking if it was possible to make a linux compatible version.

And the anwer is "No". You are the one suggesting to replace 90% of the internals and then call it still the same player.

[maor26]

And the anwer is "No". You are the one suggesting to replace 90% of the internals and then call it still the same player.

Are you guys serious or just playing dumb?
I asked if there's a chance to get a linux version.
A simple "no" or "no because it'll require too much dev work" is a good enough answer...I DIDN'T suggest to the devs to build me a new player or replacing 90% of the internals.
All I did was ASK.

[Klaus1189]

Why not simply use Windows and enjoy MPC-BE? :)

[huhn]

i'm serious a "port" would be like writing a new player that'S what i said in the first place. that's your answer that's not a no only a dev can say that but the work would be like writing a new player and calling that a port would be a "inaccurate".

so what's wrong with" you "can't" port a directshow player to linux.

linux has neither directshow and dirtectx."

[maor26]

Why not simply use Windows and enjoy MPC-BE? :)

Because windows is not linux :)

Seriously now, I do have a windows partition but I prefer using linux and unfortunately all the available media players on linux are not compareable to this+ i've been using MPC-HC for years, and now using MPC-BE and can't see myself switching to something else( and i've tried using vlc which is the best other option on linux but still not the same experience).

[Klaus1189]

Ok, what is so bad about Windows? Windows 10 is fine, at least in my opinion ;)

[maor26]

Ok, what is so bad about Windows? Windows 10 is fine, at least in my opinion ;)

Not necessarily bad...I just enjoy linux more.
I think that everyone should use the operating system that fits them and that they enjoy :)

[Klaus1189]

MPC-BE is a heavy argument pro Windows ;)

[maor26]

MPC-BE is a heavy argument pro Windows ;)

All I need for linux to be perfect for me is a good media player...
But there isn't one :(

[ryrynz]

Is it possible to have MPC-BE auto mount an iso file when it's clicked on in with Open DVD/Bluray?

[v0lt]

Is it possible to have MPC-BE auto mount an iso file when it's clicked on in with Open DVD/Bluray?
No.
Open ISO directly.

[Grimsdyke]

Hi guys, when I download the installer-zip and unpack it using 7zip then I can install BE without further issues. However, when I use the unpacker within Windows explorer then I am alarmed that BE is not digitally signed.
Most likely something wrong within Windows - any ideas ??

[Aleksoid1978]

on SF all builds are digitally signed.
SVN build - not.

[beter]

Update for translation of Traditional Chinese, Dutch and Simplified Chinese

For Simplified Chinese, I edited one line due to his misunderstanding. That "Filter" is not "Source Filter", and should be text filter for the items in the list instead.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/n3fcqj

[hubblec4]

All I need for linux to be perfect for me is a good media player...
But there isn't one :(

Exactly my issue. Linux is so great but the players are more or less bad.

MPC-HC/BE are the only good players.


Is there no chance to compile MPC-BE for Linux?

[huhn]

how clear do you need this to be?

the majority of the code asks for windows exclusive libs and other stuff windows provides.
there are no alternatives you can switch them with no you can't compile it for linux.

what is so hard to understand about this?

[stax76]

The audio dropout problem I reported before is a general efficiency issue I found out now.

I tried all popular players now using hw decoding and Kodi is the only player that can play it fluidly without audio or video dropouts!

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G: Matroska, 24.8 GiB, 1 h 57 min, 30.3 Mb/s

V: HEVC, Main 10@L5.1@High, 3840x2076, 59.940 FPS, 20.4 Mb/s

A: German, MLP FBA, 4 211 kb/s, 8ch, 48.0 kHz, Default
A: German, AC-3, 640 kb/s, 6ch, 48.0 kHz
A: English, MLP FBA, 4 204 kb/s, 8ch, 48.0 kHz
A: English, AC-3, 640 kb/s, 6ch, 48.0 kHz

S: German, UTF-8, Default, Forced
S: German, PGS, Forced
S: German, PGS
S: English, PGS

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G: MPEG-4, 1.83 GiB, 58 min 40 s, 4 468 kb/s

V: HEVC, Main 10@L5.1@Main, 3840x2160, 50 FPS, 4 330 kb/s

A: German, AAC, 128 kb/s, 2ch, 48.0 kHz

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HP Pavilion 590-p0599ng Desktop PC i5-8400 8GB 256GB SSD Silver

MSI GeForce GT 1030 2GHD4 LP OC 2GB GDDR

[v0lt]

@beter
Thanks. Updated in r5083+r5084.

[v0lt]

I was able to speed up copying a frame to a D3D11 texture on an Intel graphics card when using a software or DXVA decoder.
Regular version - MPCVideoRenderer-v0.4.2.1143_git2020.02.19-63d3620 (https://yadi.sk/d/X0EVMKP4TcmnHQ)
Modified version - mpcvr_1144_d3d11vp_UpdateSubresource_Intel (https://yadi.sk/d/X0EVMKP4TcmnHQ/Test/d3d11vp_UpdateSubresource)

Example for Intel HD 4000 (before / after):
https://i.ibb.co/6Ft3M42/Intel-HD4000-1143std.png (https://ibb.co/6Ft3M42) https://i.ibb.co/smhMvsF/Intel-HD4000-1144mod.png (https://ibb.co/smhMvsF)
Please check on other Intel graphics cards.

[Grimsdyke]

I am not really sure if I had all settings correctly but when downscaling 4k-HDR on my setup framerate increases by around 1 frame using the intel-test-build.

[aufkrawall]

There is an issue with MPC VR:
When I set it to use 16 bit FP, HEVC 10 bit video looks too dark (tested with D3D11VA in MPC HC).
Imho this format should also be the default once there are no known bugs, it should work on the slowest GPUs (if not too ancient).

[Aleksoid1978]

Test on latest git version - link in post above.

[v0lt]

I am not really sure if I had all settings correctly but when downscaling 4k-HDR on my setup framerate increases by around 1 frame using the intel-test-build.
What is your graphics adapter?

[aufkrawall]

Test on latest git version - link in post above.
That works. Is it planned to implement dithering? I can see slight banding in 10 bit gradient, which shouldn't be there if dithering was used.

[Aleksoid1978]

That works. Is it planned to implement dithering? I can see slight banding in 10 bit gradient, which shouldn't be there if dithering was used.

10bit content using 10bit texture banding ?
Try using shader for color convert - uncheck P010/P016 and test again. Also can select Chroma scaling -> Catmull-Rom.
For shader can select 16bit float texture :)

[aufkrawall]

Well, if there's no dithering, it can't be free of banding with 8 bit output. :)
The settings avaiable don't seem to make a difference. In mpv, the gradient gets smooth when enabling dithering.

[v0lt]

@aufkrawall
EVR-CP has dithering. Does this help you?

[huhn]

yes that's good enough i will test it later but i'm very sure that it was fixing any banding issues from processing.

edit:looks good on a small scale but i have to install this new image source filter mpc-be is instantly finishing the file.
i need RGB48 input support to test my usually test image. hard to test lavfilter has dithering too so the error only comes from scaling

mpc-be EVR seems to win against MPC-HC EVR in this test:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B68jIlCvW85gWFp0NVUwTFdTNFE/view
ignore the bottom part

sorry i'm currently using 2 screen with 6 bit.

[aufkrawall]

Yeah, mpc-be evr-cp is fine.

[v0lt]

@aufkrawall
I suggest trying v0.4.2.1148 in DX9 mode.

[huhn]

mpc-vr DX9 doesn't fail the banding test anymore good job

[v0lt]

Dithering is also added for DX11 mode in v0.4.2.1150.

[huhn]

doesn't seem to work here.

[v0lt]

@huhn
Thanks. I fixed this in v0.4.2.1151.

[aufkrawall]

It's looking fine now, even with D3D11VA resizing. Great work!

Now, if I may offer another wish: Something like mpv's --video-sync=display-resample would be nice to always have perfect playback, as long as being close enough to a corresponding refresh rate:
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/Display-synchronization
It's quite nice vs. smooth motion/interpolation to save power on mobile devices.

[JNW]

Introduced a bug here. The whole picture has been shifted up.
https://ibb.co/GpcF33b

[aufkrawall]

Hm, it's unfortuantely too slow on my Gemini Lake SoC: Even YouTube 1080p 60fps with lowest scaling and format settings consumes more than 10W package power, while mpv 4k 60fps averages around 8W (would be <6W on Linux Xorg fullscreen).

[v0lt]

@JNW
Thanks. I fixed this in v0.4.2.1152 (https://yadi.sk/d/X0EVMKP4TcmnHQ).

[nevcairiel]

Now, if I may offer another wish: Something like mpv's --video-sync=display-resample would be nice to always have perfect playback, as long as being close enough to a corresponding refresh rate:
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/Display-synchronization
It's quite nice vs. smooth motion/interpolation to save power on mobile devices.

You do know this is just another take on what ReClock did 10 years ago, and many other players support by now? :D
Let video timings be precise, resample audio to match.

[aufkrawall]

and many other players support by now? :D

Ok, where is this magic button?


Let video timings be precise, resample audio to match.
But why should I?

[huhn]

to bad it's not fixed in sanear the last commit was something about that interface.

[nevcairiel]

But why should I?

What, thats exactly the technique your link proposes. Just what ReClock does.

[aufkrawall]

What, thats exactly the technique your link proposes. Just what ReClock does.
I meant: Why not resample video?
You change the refresh rate to anything or a multiple close and that's it, perfect playback guaranteed. There are no drawbacks in practice.

Note that my context was mobile devices and not one's personal cinema room with audio passthrough etc.

[huhn]

doesn't change that they are selling audio resampling as new...

there is even a 3rd version from MPDN where the "sound" card just get's different sample rate and has to deal with that.

[aufkrawall]

I politely asked for a handy feature and not for lectures by non-developers about its alleged history that is of no interest to anyone.

[nevcairiel]

I meant: Why not resample video?

Thats basically Smooth Motion. Sampling is the process of taking distinct temporal snapshots from a continous analog signal. In audio thats samples, in video thats frames. Smooth Motion interpolates between the available frames to show a different snapshot in time, ie. resampling.
Playing at a perfect integer multiple of the movie frame rate does not require any processing, since the sample-and-hold nature of video just takes care of that either way.

Resampling Audio with perfectly timed video is available in many players, including mpv as your quoted --video-sync=display-resample, or ReClock in DirectShow (or perhaps other audio renderer as well, I haven't really followed SaneAR etc)
Resampling Video is madVR Smooth Motion.

Your questions aren't very clear. You asked about emulating that mpv mode mentioned above, which is just what ReClock does. And now we're talking about the actual opposite instead?