Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[Klaus1189]

@55trucker:
options -> fullscreen -> Fullscreen monitor: change "current" to your flatscreen #2. Does that work?

[55trucker]

No, not at all, I can't understand what is causing the program to lose the ability to recognize monitor #2 when passing the graphics card signal thru the AVR is concerned.......

[Klaus1189]

What AVR is it? There maybe two HDMI modes. Just post name and I download its manual and look it up for you.

[55trucker]

The AVR is a Yamaha RX-A870, I've gone into the properties & there is nothing in there to alter to *adjust* what the graphics card HDCP *handshakes* with to try to solve this issue.
As I said, this ONLY occurs with BE, it doesn't occur with HC or for that matter with VLC player.

I have the user manual for the AVR, went thru it.......

[Klaus1189]

the thing I mentioned is decribed on page 137:
https://de.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/8/956248/web_YJ203A0_EN2_RX-A870_om_UCRABGLF_En_A0.pdf

[55trucker]

What is it that you were pointing to?

DTS format notification?
Restoring default setting?
updating the firmware?
checking the firmware version?

[Klaus1189]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OKYLf-E0DTLWiR8vn_m1gHpHTLyDC2qY/view?usp=sharing
the right part of page 137
Worth a try to look what setting is set.

[55trucker]

ahhh.....I see, I took a look at that prior page as well, there's nothing in the receiver setting for the NTSC ( I'm in Canada) nor the HDMI limitation or the 4k signal mode that could be the source of this.
The AVR is using three HDMI inputs total, one from the Bluray player, the HD cable TV source & the computer, all function properly, it's just BLACK Edition that is experiencing this odd anomaly, if I take the AVR out of the equation & reconnect the graphics card directly to the flatscreen the issue goes away. Something in MPC doesn't like the routing of the HDMI cable.

[kissglay]

With "--write-auto-subs" yt-dlp generate 109 links for subs :)

I find MPC-HC has the options to configure and show auto-generated subtitles and it works pretty well. It overrides "--write-auto-subs" option in the yt-dlp's config file.
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/be/7b/cb/ME5DE3K_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3K)
The subtitle context menu in MPC-HC:
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/db/8e/3e/ME5DE3J_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3J)

The problem with MPC-BE is that most of the time it works with the "--write-auto-subs" option turned on in config and shows the subs, but there's no way to customize which language one actually wants. It loads all the subs and of course, it takes longer time to load the video.
With the extreme case, like "https://www.khanacademy.org/math/geometry-home/triangle-properties/altitudes/v/proof-triangle-altitudes-are-concurrent-orthocenter" I posted earlier, which has over a thousand subs, the player freeze.
Maybe you can consider adding a similar option like "Enable Automatic Subtitle" or something in the "youtube-dl, yt-dlp" config section, and let users specified the language code required? And this will override the "--write-auto-subs" option if it's set in the yt-dlp's config.
The subtitle context menu in MPC-BE:
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/53/8a/cf/ME5DE3M_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3M)
Thx

[Aleksoid1978]

I find MPC-HC has the options to configure and show auto-generated subtitles and it works pretty well. It overrides "--write-auto-subs" option in the yt-dlp's config file.
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/be/7b/cb/ME5DE3K_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3K)
The subtitle context menu in MPC-HC:
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/db/8e/3e/ME5DE3J_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3J)

The problem with MPC-BE is that most of the time it works with the "--write-auto-subs" option turned on in config and shows the subs, but there's no way to customize which language one actually wants. It loads all the subs and of course, it takes longer time to load the video.
With the extreme case, like "https://www.khanacademy.org/math/geometry-home/triangle-properties/altitudes/v/proof-triangle-altitudes-are-concurrent-orthocenter" I posted earlier, which has over a thousand subs, the player freeze.
Maybe you can consider adding a similar option like "Enable Automatic Subtitle" or something in the "youtube-dl, yt-dlp" config section, and let users specified the language code required? And this will override the "--write-auto-subs" option if it's set in the yt-dlp's config.
The subtitle context menu in MPC-BE:
https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/53/8a/cf/ME5DE3M_t.png (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5DE3M)
Thx

There is no problem.
Remove "--write-auto-subs" from you config, MPC-BE without any options get and download subs.

[Celio1080p]

Hey there guys. Sorry for this noob question but, i want to have the best picture quality possible.
I want to know what these options here do and what is the best..
Huh, there is a place where i can read about them ?

For example, Buffers EVR, it's possible to increase more then 30 ?

10-bit Integer.. what is this ? 8-bit Integer is better ? and what about 16-bit floating point ?

PS 3.0: Lanczos3 is the best option ?

And the Exclusive Full-Screen, is a good thing ? and the RGB 10 bit.. should i mark that ?

I mean, i know about MadVR but.. i don't know.. maybe i should try later but.. i was really curious about these settings.

Sorry my english, noob brazilian here.

CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X
GPU: GTX 1660 Super
RAM: 16 GB DDR4 3200Mhz Dual Channel
Monitor: TV Samsung RU7100 4k 65

[v0lt]

Sorry for this noob question but, i want to have the best picture quality possible.
To begin with, you yourself need to understand what exactly does not suit you in the picture that the player gives out.

For example, Buffers EVR, it's possible to increase more then 30 ?
No. What is your problem with the default buffer value?

10-bit Integer.. what is this ? 8-bit Integer is better ? and what about 16-bit floating point ?
16-bit is guaranteed to increase video memory consumption. And whether it gets better or worse you can see for yourself on your display. On some graphics cards the brightness may change if you increase the bit depth of textures.

PS 3.0: Lanczos3 is the best option ?
This is a good interpolation algorithm. Whether it will be the best for you, you can check for yourself.

And the Exclusive Full-Screen, is a good thing ?
Exclusive mode helps you solve video not smoothly displaying issues. Often used in conjunction with changing the display mode. Your right to enable the option or not.

and the RGB 10 bit.. should i mark that ?
I don't understand your "should i". If you want to try it, turn it on, if you don't want it, don't turn it on. I find that 10-bit output does not work in Direct3D 9.

[Celio1080p]

To begin with, you yourself need to understand what exactly does not suit you in the picture that the player gives out.
I see.

No. What is your problem with the default buffer value?
Nothing. But i like to increase because sometimes, i'm downloading a movie or moving a movie from my main SSD to my secondary 4 TB HDD. When i'm doing this, the movie i'm watching will stutter.
If i increase the buffer to max possible, sometimes.. the movie don't stutter. That's why i asked if was possible to increase past 30.
If i could load a good part of the movie to VRAM or RAM.. there would be no stutter.. right ? or i'm wrong ?

16-bit is guaranteed to increase video memory consumption. And whether it gets better or worse you can see for yourself on your display. On some graphics cards the brightness may change if you increase the bit depth of textures.
Hrm, i see. I don't see a problem with increased video memory.
My card has 6 GB of VRAM. Of course, that's not a lot but.. you know..
If i have 6 GB, why shouldn't i use it ?
I mean, there are any disadvantage in doing this ? this will damage my GPU ? i guess not because most games already use 6GB of VRAM easy.

This is a good interpolation algorithm. Whether it will be the best for you, you can check for yourself.
Well, yeah i guess but..What I was wanting more to know a description of each option...
If one has more sharpness.
If another is more blurry.

Exclusive mode helps you solve video not smoothly displaying issues. Often used in conjunction with changing the display mode. Your right to enable the option or not.
Hrm, so, if i don't use changing display mode.. i shouldn't use it.

I don't understand your "should i". If you want to try it, turn it on, if you don't want it, don't turn it on. I find that 10-bit output does not work in Direct3D 9.
Well, i don't even know if i'm using Direct3D9 or 11 or.. anything.

I asked about Exclusive Mode.
Because when I'm watching 4K movies, unfortunately they come in HDR.
My TV is Low Tier so her HDR is bad.
I do not like it.
I was wondering if using Exclusive Mode, if it could be improved in any way.
I mean, when I'm watching an HDR movie, the MPC-BE converts to SDR, and it looks good... but I was wondering if 10 bit exclusive mode could help with that or not.

Zack Snyder's Justice League for example. It's 93,4 GB so of course my VRAM and RAM will not be enough.. anyway.

I uploaded an image. I want to know if something's wrong. I paused and took the image.

Why am I asking these questions?
Because I don't understand much and wanted to know if my settings are wrong.
Unfortunately, it doesn't have much information when you search google. At least I couldn't find many.
Many info are about MPC-HC. Not about MPC-BE.

[Megalith]

HDR sent directly to my LG OLED (C1) doesn't look right (muted) until MPC-BE is in full screen. Is this an issue with MPC-BE, or madVR?

[chros]

HDR sent directly to my LG OLED (C1) doesn't look right (muted) until MPC-BE is in full screen. Is this an issue with MPC-BE, or madVR?
Which OS do you have?

[v0lt]

MPC Image Source 0.2.3.95 (https://github.com/v0lt/ImageSourceFilter/releases/tag/0.2.3)
Improved support for JPEG XL.
Description (https://github.com/v0lt/ImageSourceFilter/blob/master/Readme.md)

MPC Image Source is a DirectShow filter that allows you to open graphic images in video players. Windows Imaging Component (WIC) is used to decode images.

[Megalith]

Which OS do you have?

Windows 10.

[Schroinxx]

I have a new z690&12600K and use the onboard Intel 770 UHD GPU with a LG OLED CX. After installing windows 10 and the drivers it all works out of the box including HDR and the video looks good in the windows samples and intel. However, in MPC-BE the image is charcoal-grey. The movie file plays with sound and subtitles. Sometimes I have seen the first frame normal and then it becomes dark. It works in VLC. I have tried setting the brightness but that does not help. I tried importing the MPC-BE settings from another computer with no impact. I have tried to play with the levels, but that does not help either. I installed win11 before win10 and that was the same issue with MPC. In the old Intel drivers, one could set the levels to either driver or application, and that seems to have solved the issue for many. Regrettably, this is not available in the new Intel drivers. Any suggestions?

[Klaus1189]

@Schroinxx:
What video Renderers are affected?
Could you try EVR CP - Enhanced Video Renderer (custom presenter), MPC Video Renderer and madVR?
Please report back.
Since you have a new Intel CPU with UHD 770, can you please test some things for me? Does not take more than 5 minutes:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1958267#post1958267

[Schroinxx]

I am running with GPU driver ver 30.0.101.1002

@Klaus1189
EVR, EVR-CP, SVR, null, nulll uncompressed are all charcoal grey. I have just installed madVR and that works out of the box. MPC VR work with the 0.5.5.1797, whereas the 5.4 crashes.

Sure. There is no logo. To my untrained eyes, it seems okay, but there is a bit of interference between his white shirt and the black west here and there.

Using the madVR or MPC VR solves my problem.

[Klaus1189]

It is located on the very bottom in the middle of the screen. Especially the chinese, japanese, … characters should not flicker.

[Schroinxx]

It is located on the very bottom in the middle of the screen. Especially the chinese, japanese, … characters should not flicker.

They don't flicker.

[Klaus1189]

That is good news for me. But for the charcoal-grey color issue. What filters do you use? Do you use internal MPC-BE Filters or external Filters like LAV Filters? Try out the other filters you are using now. Any difference?

[clsid]

MPCVR and madvr are the only two renderers with proper HDR support!

If null renderer gives you video it means YOUR DID NOT RESTART the player (or reload file) so the settings change was not applied yet. So giant user error...

[Schroinxx]

That is good news for me. But for the charcoal-grey color issue. What filters do you use? Do you use internal MPC-BE Filters or external Filters like LAV Filters? Try out the other filters you are using now. Any difference?

EVR, EVR-CP, SVR are grey. Null, nulll uncompressed plays the audio. MPC VR work with the 0.5.5.1797, whereas the 5.4 crashes. MadVR works.

I'll try with LAV later.

[v0lt]

MPC Video Renderer 0.5.6.1807 (https://github.com/Aleksoid1978/VideoRenderer/releases/tag/0.5.6)

Changes:
Improved stability in DX9 mode when changing display.
Fixed display of subtitles in the first frame when using XySubFilter.
Added experimental option "Reinitialize D3D device when changing display".
Fixed the problem with the "Information" tab working when pressing Esc when the main text field is active.
The "Auto display HDR On/Off" functionality has been improved. Now this option has three values: "not used", "used for fullscreen", "always used".
Fixed HDR Passthrough for various cases.
Added support for MEDIASUBTYPE_LAV_RAWVIDEO.
Added support for various YUV and RGB planar formats.
Added support for r210 format.
The "Use Direct3D 11" option is enabled by default on Windows 8 and newer systems.
Fixed crash for RGB24 in some situations.

[Schroinxx]

I have installed the LAV 64 filters and only left out the file association at the end. They don't show up in MPC-BE for some reason.

[Klaus1189]

Options -> external Filters -> add -> search for „lav“ and add all four lav entries and set them to prefer.

[Schroinxx]

Options -> external Filters -> add -> search for „lav“ and add all four lav entries and set them to prefer.

I had to disable all the internal filters as well. Now it loads the LAV components and will play the file. Audio works, but there is no picture.

[Klaus1189]

Strange. Can you show your filters list? Just rightclick and search for it. Then paste the text here.
If you set it to prefer it will prefer external over internal ones. Normally no need to disable the internal ones. I doubt it will make a difference zo use LAV over internal but worth a quick try.
Are you getting this grey issue only for HDR or also for SDR video?

[Schroinxx]

Strange. Can you show your filters list? Just rightclick and search for it. Then paste the text here.
If you set it to prefer it will prefer external over internal ones. Normally no need to disable the internal ones. I doubt it will make a difference zo use LAV over internal but worth a quick try.
Are you getting this grey issue only for HDR or also for SDR video?

This one?
bindflt 0 0
WdFilter 5 0
storqosflt 0 0
wcifs 0 0
CldFlt 0 0
FileCrypt 0 0
luafv 1 0
npsvctrig 1 0
Wof 3 0
FileInfo 5 0


Now it loads the LAV filters (can see the icons) but only audio works and it uses the internal set render.

The grey is for both SDR and HDR material.

[Klaus1189]

No, see here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17PT7mKv73VlPGRDT0A4ouDlFkuQTOLia/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bdoFrQuBAEEsuskgYuFd_w7VSn0ah03U/view?usp=sharing

[Klaus1189]

Typically green is the color if hardware acceleration issues of the GPU are the culprit. But also try to disable hardware acceleration in internal Filters of MPC-BE. DXVA ones.

[v0lt]

MPC-BE 1.6.0 (build 6767) stable (https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/files/MPC-BE/Release%20builds/1.6.0/) with digital signature (SF.net).

List of changes (https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/code/HEAD/tree/tags/release_1.6.0/docs/Changelog.txt).
One of the important changes in version 1.6.0:
Reworked saving of many settings. The values of these settings will not be inherited when upgrading from older versions of the player.

MPC-BE Nightly builds: main file store (https://yadi.sk/d/hlf1lfC8mKU58), alternative 1 (https://yadi.sk/d/AjAXDDHtHRIELg), alternative 2 (https://cloud.mail.ru/public/V1rp/2iqNDT5Rx)
Also new and old versions can be found on VideoHelp.com (https://www.videohelp.com/software/MPC-BE).

Donate (https://mpc-be.org/forum/index.php?topic=240.0).

[filler56789]

MPC-BE 1.6.0 (build 6767) stable (https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpcbe/files/MPC-BE/Release%20builds/1.6.0/) with digital signature (SF.net).

:thanks:

[Klaus1189]

In r6771 there is a small typo introduced in german translation. I fixed it:
"auswählen" was accidentally changed to "auswahlen"
Download here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NwBzp70DqbsN-NeKUsrorOgUedPyb_nu/view?usp=sharing)

Thanks for the new stable release, I really appreciate your work :)

[v0lt]

@Klaus1189
Thanks. Updated in r6772.

[SirMaster]

I have a question for the devs or anyone who has any insight.

Would it be possible to somehow output audio as Bitstream AND decoded LPCM at the same time? To different output devices?

I like that MPC-BE has dual audio output, but it seems only possible that each output is the same format. Both Bitstream, or both decoded LPCM.


I can think of some interesting use cases if I could output bitstream and a decoded 8-channel LPCM as well. (ask if you are curious about my proposed use cases)

I don't see why this can't work, as in theory you could have 2 media player instances open playing the movie, one bit-streaming and one decoding to LPCM to a different sound device. Problem with that is wasted performance and syncing them up to the millisecond would be difficult.

So any thoughts from a dev on if this sort of feature could be added would be appreciated.

[chros]

What are your use cases? :)

[Grimsdyke]

Speaking of 'dual audio out' - I would love to have individual volume controls when both are active ! Thanks.

[SirMaster]

What are your use cases? :)

Well, one use case is stereo tactile bass.

I want to take the 8 channel LPCM output and feeding it through EqualizerAPO, I can combine the 1-60Hz from the 3 channels from the left (front left, surround left, and rear left) and feed their low frequency only to a bass shaker installed on the left side of my seating.

And then I can do the same for the right side.

And I can feed these 2 signals out a simple 3.5mm analog out from my HTPC via EqualizerAPO.

I can do that now, but if I do, I lose bit-streaming when I switch to LPCM decode.

Losing bit-stream means losing Atmos and DTS:X object based audio for my main AV processor and main sound system.

Or even just a more simple case, extracting the LFE only from the 8 channel LPCM and feeding that to bass shakers. This would allow again having Atmos / DTS:X still going to the main processor.

But now we don't have to lose a channel on the processor for the tactile shakers, and also on the vast majority of AV processors, you cannot have a LFE output channel that has 0 room correction applied to it, which would be ideal for tactile normally.


Basically, the whole concept revolves around not losing object based audio to your main processor, while being able to do various things with the 8 channel base audio data.

[SirMaster]

Speaking of 'dual audio out' - I would love to have individual volume controls when both are active ! Thanks.

You can already control them individually through the OS volume control panel.

You just mean you want 2 volume sliders inside the MPC app itself?

[Aleksoid1978]

I have a question for the devs or anyone who has any insight.

Would it be possible to somehow output audio as Bitstream AND decoded LPCM at the same time? To different output devices?

Impossible.

[SirMaster]

Not impossible.

I am glad to hear that it's possible.

If that is something that could be implemented without much trouble I know that it would be a cool and unique feature for MPC-BE that HT enthusiasts that I know would seek out and use for the concepts that I explained in my previous posts.

[Grimsdyke]

You just mean you want 2 volume sliders inside the MPC app itself?

Exactly :)

[clsid]

A much simpler solution would be to connect a splitter cable to the LFE output of your receiver.

[beter]

Update translation for Traditional Chinese and Dutch
https://www.sendspace.com/file/mew8xo

[Fred]

MPC.BE 1.6.0 freezes when playing HEVC/HVC1 as .ts or .mkv file. No video image. MPC can then only be terminated with the task manager.

[Aleksoid1978]

Disable DXVA, maybe drivers fault.

[Fred]

Works now. Hardware acceleration for HEVC disabled.