Media Player Classic - BE Win32/x64

[boktan]

Is there a "latest guide" on using MPC-BE with MadVR and LavFilters?

TIA

[longiloquence]

Is there a "latest guide" on using MPC-BE with MadVR and LavFilters?

TIA

Not that I know of, but if there's anything you're curious about feel free to ask.

There are a lot of settings for a lot of different setups and preferences, so it's difficult to do a guide that's useful for everyone.

[v0lt]

Is there a "latest guide" on using MPC-BE with MadVR and LavFilters?
The question smacks, but I will answer.
1. LAV Filters are not needed for MPC-BE to work. But we usually advise you to install LAV Filters in the system, so that in some rare cases the LAV Splitter Source will be connected.
2. If you like the madVR picture better, then just use it. If you want to reconfigure something there, then there are a lot of discussions on the Internet. There you will find your answers (or not).

[boktan]

Not that I know of, but if there's anything you're curious about feel free to ask.

There are a lot of settings for a lot of different setups and preferences, so it's difficult to do a guide that's useful for everyone.

The question smacks, but I will answer.
1. LAV Filters are not needed for MPC-BE to work. But we usually advise you to install LAV Filters in the system, so that in some rare cases the LAV Splitter Source will be connected.
2. If you like the madVR picture better, then just use it. If you want to reconfigure something there, then there are a lot of discussions on the Internet. There you will find your answers (or not).

Decided not to mess with anything as its working fine. :thanks:

[v0lt]

Night builds from a new volunteer:
MEGA (https://mega.nz/folder/cQsn1TKJ#sT9sS6ywvmNqjz6B4RaK5Q), Google Drive (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1u84bY2n6fPAvM5n5mJvQBSDv6BKut-RY?usp=sharing), Pcloud (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ2gNeVZjGcpVOgg3Rkxxln2U2itBSxW2IUy), Filen Drive (https://drive.filen.io/f/e104a83b-41f3-4bd1-8477-4b8838eb5986#qOhqvOnNY6lFLDu6ETjOtu8jT9KvbS7e), Icedrive (https://icedrive.net/s/jCSTVwvB3YXAwfVxu6x5WNziwDgj)

[Aleksoid1978]

That's it - we will no longer have a digital signature, the seller is in denial due to the fact that I am Russian :)

[LuckyJim]

That's it - we will no longer have a digital signature, the seller is in denial due to the fact that I am Russian :)

Well, it's their loss. Eff them and the horse they rode in on, excuse my French!

[Dion]

Is there a way to set nits for HDR to SDR content in MPC Video Renderer? Image seems dark.. madVR has this option its nice.

[Aleksoid1978]

Is there a way to set nits for HDR to SDR content in MPC Video Renderer? Image seems dark.. madVR has this option its nice.

No ...

[Dion]

No ...

Any chance too add? Kind of an important feature for HDR content cause everyone has different displays. Should only be for HDR to SDR content... not SDR content..

[Aleksoid1978]

Any chance too add? Kind of an important feature for HDR content cause everyone has different displays. Should only be for HDR to SDR content... not SDR content..

No chance.

[v0lt]

@Dion
Use the brightness control in the player.

[Dion]

@Dion
Use the brightness control in the player.

This affects SDR content too.. Guess ill stick to madVR..

[Grimsdyke]

Sorry for this noob-question :D
But when using the external LAV fillter set is the BE's internal buffer still running ?

[v0lt]

This affects SDR content too..
But this is a working solution.
But when using the external LAV fillter set is the BE's internal buffer still running ?
Please carefully look at the place where you found this setting and perhaps you will get an answer to your question.
The player has several buffers that have different purposes.

[Grimsdyke]

I mean the one on the source filter tab of BE's internal filters settings. Since there is no button to deactivate I guess it is always on, correct ?

[v0lt]

@Grimsdyke
This is a setting for built-in source filters. For third-party source filters, it naturally does not work. The option is always active so that users can change it. All this seems obvious to me and I do not understand your questions.

[Sunspark]

Grimsdyke: It is based on the routing. On the internal decoders panel, the 3 tabs source filters (splitter), video & audio decoders. If you want one of these tabs to be handled entirely by an external decoder, you need to deselect all checkboxes on one of those respective panels. If you deselected all on source filters tab and selected say, lav splitter as "prefer" in external, then only the external splitter would be active.

The decoder/splitter is separate from the renderer. That is the nice thing about the MPC series, you have multiple options to choose from for both items in the processing chain.

[Grimsdyke]

Sure, but there is no checkbox for the buffer and minimum is 1 second !!
I only wanted to know if I use LAV in BE if there are then both LAV's buffers AND BE's buffer running at the same time (and so maybe colliding).
Volt said it does not - so I know what I wanted to know. Thx for the input.

[Sunspark]

IMO it does not because if set up properly, only one filter is running not both filters. Look at the filters list while something is playing, that will give you your answer.

[rekweom]

Hello everyone. What are the default downmixing levels in the channel mixer? Are they the standard ATSC recommendation, i.e. 0.707 for center and surround?

[ryrynz]

Is it possible to ignore certain subtitles? I only want English subtitles as an option to enable.
Can the player control this? The splitter? or xysubfilter?

[Aleksoid1978]

Is it possible to ignore certain subtitles? I only want English subtitles as an option to enable.
Can the player control this? The splitter? or xysubfilter?

The player processes all the subtitles that the splitter gives + external ones.

[s0meone_new]

Hungarian translation updated:
https://www36.zippyshare.com/v/nQUpESFF/file.html

[wushantao]

Simplified Chinese update

https://files.catbox.moe/eiqsrv.7z
https://anonfiles.com/X6Hcf2V1yd/mplayerc.sc.rc_7z

[ryrynz]

A keyboard shortcut to show the current audio selection details on the OSD would be nice.

[SirMaster]

I have semi-asked about this before, but I just wanted to revisit it in case someone has an idea or I am missing some possibility.

I love the audio dual-output ability of mpc-be. It allows me to send the audio out to 2 AVRs so that I can process the audio the way in which I need. I can't use a simple splitter since one AVR supports 4K and the other does not. Dual audio out allows me to get another audio out to the second AVR that only supports 1080p, but still does all the lossless audio formats.

Anyways, to get back to my actual query...

It would be amazing if somehow I could use the dual-audio output to get both a bitstream output to 1 AVR as well as somehow, through some method a decoded multi-channel PCM copy as well. I realize this is not really possible right now, at least not with MPC-BE alone. And the reasons for this I'm sure are very technical and not simple to overcome.

I wonder though, could there be, or does anyone know of like a virtual audio device that could take in a bitstream from MPC-BE and then in turn decode it into 8 channel PCM? That way MPC-BE only needs to do dual bitstream which works fine, and then some other software could handle the decoding of the bitstream into PCM. I don't care about timing issues as those can be corrected for in other ways.

LAV Filters for example can decode TrueHD and DTS-HD into PCM as far as I know.

I just really wish there was a way to have both work at once. Bitstream to my AVR (for Atmos / DTS:X) and decode to multi-channel PCM so that I can tap into for instance the pure LFE channel and use it for tactile things for example.


Any insight on how this could maybe be possible in some way would be very appreciated. I feel like this sort of thing is technologically possible, but we just don't have the software support or I don't know of the exact software or configuration which could accomplish it today.

[Klaus1189]

Updated german translation (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NwBzp70DqbsN-NeKUsrorOgUedPyb_nu/view?usp=share_link) for ID3DFullscreenControl :)

What is that exactly?

[v0lt]

@Klaus1189
Allows you to leave the player window on one display, and transfer the exclusive full screen to another display specified in the "Full screen" settings.

Such feature is in EVR-CP.
In MPC VR, it is buggy and is enabled through the player command.

@s0meone_new, @wushantao, @Klaus1189
Thank you. Updated.

[rekweom]

Hello everyone. What are the default downmixing levels in the channel mixer? Are they the standard ATSC recommendation, i.e. 0.707 for center and surround?

Well I did some testing, so let me answer myself: all channels are mixed at the same level. Which is not how it should be done, if you ask me.
A separate adjustment for the LFE channel would also be nice, since it's also being mixed in at 100% volume.

[Sunspark]

Curious to know how you determined the mixing levels.

Might be interesting for you to compare the mixing between the player's sound processing, and unchecking that and instead using the mixing in mpc audio renderer perhaps with system layout channels checked.

[rekweom]

I created a 7.1 audio file with 0dBFS sinewave impulses for each channel, and then recorded the sound played by MPC-BE via loopback.

Here's a comparison of MPC-HC with LAV audio configured to ATSC recommendation, and MPC-BE on default settings.

https://i.imgur.com/lO3BDsq.jpg

[mogli]

I cannot see your picture of course, but how and what do you want to conclude from this type of measurement?
Downmixing changes the output volume and LAV and MPC-BE probably use different methods for compensation, therefore giving different results even if using the same mixing coefficients. How do you recognize its different mixing coefficents causing this?

[rekweom]

I edited my previous post to include a hosted image instead of an attachment.

As you can see the impulses are only playing in one channel at a time, so there's no issue with multiple channel's power adding up and boosting loudness.

Anyway, the differences between LAV and MPC-BE aren't important here. What I would like to see is a clear explanation of how the built-in downmixer actually works and what are the defaults, so that I know what what will actually change when I adjust settings. Right now it's basically a black box.

[s0meone_new]

Hungarian translation updated:
https://www88.zippyshare.com/v/2i8lfRYP/file.html

[Klaus1189]

Updated german translation (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NwBzp70DqbsN-NeKUsrorOgUedPyb_nu/view?usp=share_link) :)

[wushantao]

Simplified Chinese update
https://anonfiles.com/b9V3gdWeyd/mplayerc.sc.rc_7z
https://files.catbox.moe/f3poz6.7z

[mogli]

@rekweom
The sliders seem to be the same as in LAVFilters, just in dB (0.71 = -3dB).

@devs
Is there really no way to control the LFE mixing level? Typical values are -inf dB, -3dB and +4dB but not so much 0dB.

[v0lt]

@s0meone_new, @Klaus1189, @wushantao
Thanks. Updated.

[beter]

Update Traditional Chinese and Dutch

https://www.sendspace.com/file/39p36e

[v0lt]

@beter
Thanks. Updated.

[v0lt]

MPC Video Renderer 0.6.6.1995 (https://github.com/Aleksoid1978/VideoRenderer/releases/tag/0.6.5)

Changes:
The "Subtitle and OSD brightness" option now works for HDR video on an HDR display.
Added ability to convert Stereo 3D from Half OverUnder to Interlace.
Added subtitle offset support for Stereo 3D.
Some optimizations.
Recommended version of MPC-BE 1.6.5.164 (8e684d199) or later.

[Perenista]

Something odd has happened... I am playing a MKV created with MAKEMKV's help and when I select a certain audio track, all of them are not on the menu anywmore, only "load external audio". The same I don't think it happens with MPC-HC. Any idea what could be?

I haven't seen this bug with any other MKV so far.

MEDIAINFO:
https://pastebin.com/JLNd4rsg

[Aleksoid1978]

Something odd has happened... I am playing a MKV created with MAKEMKV's help and when I select a certain audio track, all of them are not on the menu anywmore, only "load external audio". The same I don't think it happens with MPC-HC. Any idea what could be?

I haven't seen this bug with any other MKV so far.

MEDIAINFO:
https://pastebin.com/JLNd4rsg

It's something very wrong :)
But - we can test only if we have file.

[Perenista]

It's something very wrong :)
But - we can test only if we have file.The file is 34 GB (MKV, lossless, from a 1080p Blu-ray), I can extract a smaller part of it... and even that smaller part has the same problem.

You can download here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1duGAU2w7rwnVplY4QX3tqrnfa-jEFA46/view?usp=share_link

When you open the affected file, all audio tracks are listed:

https://i.postimg.cc/C5q9Dqfg/SS1.jpg

Now what happens if I select the 3rd track:

https://i.postimg.cc/kM60LkYp/SS2.jpg

This is a list of filters being used:

MPC-BE 1.6.5.3
Filters currently loaded:
- Default DirectSound Device
- madVR Renderer
- ffdshow Audio Processor
- LAV Video Decoder
- LAV Audio Decoder
- LAV Splitter Source

If you try to select the 3rd audio track with MPC-HC, the end result will be what you see above in the 1st picture. So if this is a bug, it's only affecting MPC-BE.

MPC-HC uses:

Filters currently loaded:
- SaneAR Audio Renderer
- Renderizador Melhorado do Vídeo
- Audio Switcher
- DirectVobSub (auto-loading version)
- ffdshow Audio Processor
- LAV Video Decoder
- LAV Splitter Source (internal)

[tebasuna51]

Without problems with your sample and

MPC-BE 1.6.4.0
Filters currently loaded:
- Default DirectSound Device
- Enhanced Video Renderer (custom presenter)
- Audio Switcher
- MPC Video Decoder
- MPC Audio Decoder
- MPC Audio Decoder
- MPC Audio Decoder
- MPC Audio Decoder
- MPC Audio Decoder
- MPC Matroska Source

Also with MPC-HC 2.0.0
Filters currently loaded:
- Default DirectSound Device
- madVR
- LAV Audio Decoder
- LAV Video Decoder (internal)
- LAV Splitter Source (internal)

[Aleksoid1978]

The problem happens when using LAV Source - when switching audio tracks, it does a rebuilding of the graph. When you open the active 1 audio track, this is PCM sound and therefore there is no audio decoder in the graph, after switching the track, the audio decoder is connected - but the built-in audio switch is not connected, therefore there is no choice of audio tracks. At the moment I don't know how to fix this.

Use internal filters and all be ok :)

[Perenista]

The problem happens when using LAV Source - when switching audio tracks, it does a rebuilding of the graph. When you open the active 1 audio track, this is PCM sound and therefore there is no audio decoder in the graph, after switching the track, the audio decoder is connected - but the built-in audio switch is not connected, therefore there is no choice of audio tracks. At the moment I don't know how to fix this.

Use internal filters and all be ok :)Aren't these external filters needed and not just optional?

There is one extra feature that for some reason, if I follow your idea, it will simply freeze and crash MPC-BE, also only if madVR is being used.

It's a 36 MB file with 8 minutes, with multiple chapters and it's from a picture gallery of that Blu-ray disc. Usually you cannot rip these to MKV, and when you do they play all pictures under 1 second (so the MKV is useless and you need to watch from the disc). But this one seems to be OK and showing exactly what the disc offers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gUGMBoIGyjktJ71px5rc6OSXeOxyRbNt/view?usp=share_link

I did 2 tests: one with MPC-BE and another with MPC-HC.

******* MPC-BE **********

a) Using madVR and no external filters at all: freeze and crash. No use clicking anywhere to fast-forward/jump to another moment of the video. I even had to force MPC-BE to be closed...

b) What if we try this?

MPC-BE 1.6.5.3
Filters currently loaded:
- madVR Renderer
- LAV Video Decoder
- LAV Splitter Source

LAV Audio Decoder was also added, and all of 3 LAV's have "prefer" on "merit".

No freeze/crash. Video stays OK and you can click anywhere to move forward/go back.

c) What if we remove all external filters and replace madVR with this:

MPC-BE 1.6.5.3
Filters currently loaded:
- MPC Video Renderer
- MPC Video Decoder
- MPC Matroska Source

Not only the video plays fine, it's also incredibly faster/more responsive for you to go anywhere in those 8 minutes.

******* MPC-HC **********

If I try to replicate the same conditions:

a) The video plays fine and does not freeze/crash.

Filters currently loaded:
- madVR
- LAV Video Decoder
- LAV Splitter Source (internal)

Somehow it continues using LAV, and if I say to block it on external filters:

Filters currently loaded:
- madVR
- LAV Video Decoder (internal) (low merit)
- LAV Splitter Source (internal)

So what's the issue here? This is also the only extra feature I have seen so far that is crashing with MPC-BE. The video plays from beginning to end, it only freezes if you decide to click it to go to another moment, forward or back.

MPC-HC was installed with that Codecguide's pack.

[Klaus1189]

I beg to increase the size of this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GACAqZlvsWRAm0xdRbWVAIx0wJiJ-kir/view?usp=share_link
Too bad I didn't check it before 1.6.6 release

[Aleksoid1978]

******* MPC-BE **********

a) Using madVR and no external filters at all: freeze and crash. No use clicking anywhere to fast-forward/jump to another moment of the video. I even had to force MPC-BE to be closed...

I can't reproduce. Select madVR and no crash, Yes - seeking is slow but no crash.

Either way, this is a bad file:

Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 0.222 FPS
Original frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS