Auto Gordian Knot: current version 2.55

[Nikse555]

If possible, how can I disable crop, so subtitles from TV are not cut in half (mpg to xvid avi with 1.30b)?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Black0ut
i would really like to have them, because for me even at high bitrates they make the movie look better.


this does not make any sense since by definition B-frames have much less bits in them then P-frames, so whatever you imagine looks better - actaully not (please do some search on the topic)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Nikse555
If possible, how can I disable crop, so subtitles from TV are not cut in half (mpg to xvid avi with 1.30b)?

well, we have to do something about this, but I'm not sure disabling cropping is the best way to go. You seem to have black bars on top and bottom, right? Subs are only in the bottom space, so top one can be still eliminated. So can you open avs file in VDubMod and try playing with threshold parameter of autocrop to see if you can find the value which doesn't cut off the subs. Tell me then.

[PanthraxBW]

@Taurus

Yes, in fact I did 2 runs, one at 1/3 CD and one specifying 233 megs. Both came out the same size, 142 megs. I used default settings, Auto width, Xvid, Auto audio, no subs.

Please see the log here (http://www.panthrax.com/gklog.log)

Thanks for your help.

[len0x]

Originally posted by PanthraxBW

Yes, in fact I did 2 runs, one at 1/3 CD and one specifying 233 megs. Both came out the same size, 142 megs. I used default settings, Auto width, Xvid, Auto audio, no subs.


how hard is to :readfaq: Q 6.3 !

[Schrade]

Originally posted by len0x
Don't use download managers/firewalls as usual (or set them up properly). C'mon ppl - it's been answered many times before.

len0x, just to let you know... saying what you said above is sort of misleading and is probably why so many people still post with that problem.

You might want to start saying 'Make sure your Web Browser can send the REFERER field.' or something similar. Otherwise the download managers/firewalls thing leads you on a wild goosechase.

I had problems downloading until I finally figured it out that TabBrowserExtensions installed with Mozilla Firefox was turning the Send Referer field off. I installed the PrefButtons plugin and put a 'Send Referer' checkbox on my browser whenever I need to download files on sites that check for that.

[Taurus]

@lenOx
I admire your patience on this wrong xvid installs thing.
Should have come to my mind after so many inqires on bad file sizes.
Anyway, your experience is awesome.
Thanks!

@PanthraxBW
The powerunite on my video pc has just crashed yesterday with smoke and lightning. The only difference in your settings I can recall from my memory is, I have the Mod32 fix mark ticked.
And you don't have to put VobSub in 'Overrides' on MPC.
If there are any subtitles in a movie, they are shown.
On burned in subtitles you will not see the filter dialog,
only on external subtitles there will be a green arrow icon in your systray, indicating that Vobsub is working.
So for the next days, I can't help until the Powerunite is repaired
(living up in the country).
Try and experiment on your own.

Cheers

Taurus

[Mc|Atm0s]

AutoGK supports XviD 1.0 Jawor's CVS Build?

Jawor's XviD builds: http://jawormat.republika.pl/

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
AutoGK supports XviD 1.0 Jawor's CVS Build?


I wouldn't know as I haven't tried. In any case if you're looking for bugfixes to 1.0, then almost all of them do not affect settings AutoGK is using anyway or is any other reason for using Jawor's builds ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Schrade
len0x, just to let you know... saying what you said above is sort of misleading and is probably why so many people still post with that problem.

You might want to start saying 'Make sure your Web Browser can send the REFERER field.' or something similar. Otherwise the download managers/firewalls thing leads you on a wild goosechase.

I had problems downloading until I finally figured it out that TabBrowserExtensions installed with Mozilla Firefox was turning the Send Referer field off. I installed the PrefButtons plugin and put a 'Send Referer' checkbox on my browser whenever I need to download files on sites that check for that.

you probably right, but since I have never used browsers/firewalls which block referrers - I could not describe this better.

[PanthraxBW]

Originally posted by len0x
how hard is to :readfaq: Q 6.3 !


That was it. However, I did take a quick look through the FAQ, and didn't realize that not uninstalling Xvid was problematic. You might want to change Q6.3 or add a generic line that says "I'm getting wierd file sizes". I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this problem, looked at the FAQ, and still didn't know how to fix the problem. Otherwise, thanks for pointing that out.

[Nikse555]

...try playing with threshold parameter of autocrop to see if you can find the value which doesn't cut off the subs

I do not know much about this and have only tried one mpg file, but this is the result for me:

20=Cuts a little bit off
18=Cuts a little bit off
17=OK
16=OK
15=OK
14=Show both top + buttom
10=Show both top + buttom

So, I guess 16 is good for me - but probably not for all!

"samples=5" is most likely too low a value for clips with subs.

Perhaps no crop (can top crop be done alone?) is the best solution?

[SonGokuDBZ]

@ Lenox:
Have you ever thoght of doing a second first pass when the expected quality of first pass size is far away from the predicted comptest value?
I'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!

Thanks anyway

[len0x]

Originally posted by Nikse555
Perhaps no crop (can top crop be done alone?) is the best solution?

No, the best solution would be to allow override of samples and threshold parameter via hidden option file (which I plan to do for the next version).

[len0x]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
[BI'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!
[/B]

On a short sources 5% can be not enough for comp test. But I'm curious to see how big difference is? (Recently I found a bug which prevented soft matrix to be used when in fact it was shown in the logs, so it could be you just ran across this problem).

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
I'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!i also thought about that before. if the full first pass indicates a compression value that would actually change the resolution if it had come out in the comp. test, it would make sense to run another first pass at that resolution. personally i would rather run that pass again then loose quality.

[bwalerud]

The following "feature" has bugged me for some time:
When running AutoGK with 1.4GB custom size I get what I ask for but also a "two-cd-split" automatically. Is this intentional? If you want the split files you can choose the "predefined 2 CD option" instead.
Thanks for a great program!

[len0x]

Originally posted by bwalerud
When running AutoGK with 1.4GB custom size I get what I ask for but also a "two-cd-split" automatically. Is this intentional? If you want the split files you can choose the "predefined 2 CD option" instead.


There is no difference between 2CD and 1400Mb custom size in terms of physical value of the size, so its impossible to distinguish those cases. Just select 1401 or 1399Mb in order to not split the output.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
if the full first pass indicates a compression value that would actually change the resolution if it had come out in the comp. test, it would make sense to run another first pass at that resolution. personally i would rather run that pass again then loose quality.

its tricky to define the deviation. upto 5% is very common and will result in lots of rerun of the first pass without actual need.

[len0x]

I've re-written resolution choosing algorithm completely, so please give it a good testing. Also TS support if finally officially there.

[SonGokuDBZ]

@ Lenox Originally posted by Lenox:
its tricky to define the deviation. upto 5% is very common and will result in lots of rerun of the first pass without actual need.
I don't know much about programming, but I think i would't be so difficult to change the resolution and do another first pass when the expected quality of first pass size is below 40 or above 80. There are only a few cases in which this could happen and so there aren't many unnessasary first passes!!!
I believe the gain of quality is worth doing a second pass in extreme situations (e.g. i encoded a 2 minutes video clip, comptest: ca. 60, expected quality of first pass size: ca. 90)

after all, it's your decision and of course, there's standard GK
(sorry for my english, fucking german school-system!):cool:

[Smiff]

sorry, i've cut my arse of a post to this:

when using Hidden Options, should the .credits file be in the root movie rip folder or the VIDEO_TS folder? sorry i didn't find the instructions clear so put it in both :p i set quality compression to 40% and filled in the frame number using the calc provided, but just looking at the bitrate in ffdshow it seems to have dropped only from about 850 to 650 kbps.. this isn't enough is it? what could i have done wrong? (my .credits looks like this: 148625/40/TRUE). thanks!

[Stebs]

Regarding DVB-S content input:
After recording something with DVB-S, most people want to "clean" the file using ProjectX and then cut it with Mpeg2Schnitt (Guide is on Doom9).
After this, you have a .m2v file with the video and one .mp2 file (has exactly same name) with the audio.

Now, AutoGK (1.35b)takes the m2v for input but aborts saying "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.", so it does not take the mp2-file for audio-input?

Am I missing something? What program can mux mp2 and m2v? VDubMod does only mux to avi etc. ...

[Taurus]

@Stebs

Try renaming the *.mp2-file to *.mpa.
Edit:Or use TMPGEnc to mux the files (File ->MPEG Tools-> Mulitplex or Simple Multiplex)

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Stebs
Now, AutoGK (1.35b)takes the m2v for input but aborts saying "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.", so it does not take the mp2-file for audio-input?


Option for muxing external audio is not available in AutoGK (not sure yet if it will be or not). Its one-to-one tool which requires to have audio and video in the input source already.

[Stebs]

@ Taurus: "Try renaming the *.mp2-file to *.mpa.",
Well does not work either (see also Lenox's reply)

@ Lenox: "Its one-to-one tool which requires to have audio and video in the input source already"
Sure, and it´s great at what it does!
Would just be handy when sometime in future it could also handle edited (cut out commercials from TV-Shows) DVB-S Streams...

Or is there another possibility right now to edit (cut) DVB-S Streams and still use AutoGK? eg. a program that can mux mp2 and m2v, a mpeg2 Cutter that doesnt need to demux etc. ...?

Edit:
@ Taurus: Ah, thanks, just saw your edit :-)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Stebs
Would just be handy when sometime in future it could also handle edited (cut out commercials from TV-Shows) DVB-S Streams...


I guess in the future I could search for the audio file in the input directory and use it if after demuxing audio is not found. But this may lead to serious synch problems as DGMPGDec usually demuxes stuff like none of the other tools (with respect to audio delays). And if I allow to specify delay etc then we back to not 1-click tool...

[Stebs]

Originally posted by len0x
But this may lead to serious synch problems...
Hmmm, ok I see...

Thanks to TMPGEnc (and Taurus) everything worked now :)
Perhaps you could update FAQ 5.4 for DVB-S (mpeg2) Users?:

DVB-S Stream or other mpeg2 source that needs to be edited first -> ProjectX (demux + "clean") -> Mpeg2Schnitt (cutting) -> TMPGEnc (remuxing) -> AutoGK (encoding)
Tip: In ProjectX, check " create *.idd Projectfile on demux" on the "extern" Tab

[QNX]

hi

i have DVDR in iso format and usually ripping them with AutoGK on the fly... mounting them as virtual DVD

but now
- DUE TO MISUSE OF AUTOGK WITH UNSUPPORTED RIPPING TOOLS, IT'S NO LONGER ABLE TO PARSE IFO FILES, SO ONLY DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE CAN BE USED FROM NOW ON
beta of AutoGK don't want to do this... i'm getting
USE DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE
is it possible to remove this limitation?
and add info, that
RECOMMENDED TO USE DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE ONLY
:D

[Taurus]

@QNX
Better read the forum rules (Rule6)

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
i'm downloading DVDR in iso format and usually ripping them with AutoGK on the fly... mounting them as virtual DVD


Read the rules please - forum doesn't support illegal downloads. Further discussion will result in a strike.

Originally posted by QNX
is it possible to remove this limitation?


no

[QNX]

Originally posted by Taurus
@QNX
Better read the forum rules (Rule6)

imagine that i have DVD iso from own DVD that i've bought in the DVD shop.. and now i should rerip ripped ISO :)

no
why? why just don't make it a hidden option.. all will be satisfied

10x :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
why? why just don't make it a hidden option.. all will be satisfied


The IFO parsing code is physically gone for good. It was not mine and was there only for testing purposes, but abused by many ppl. End of discussion.

[Taurus]

@lenOx

Thanks

Taurus

[NMachiavelli]

Would it be possible to support more than 2 audio tracks? I own several DVDs that have multiple director's commentaries, which would be nice to include on my backups. Thanks.

[Smiff]

edit: not another redundant post, christ. is AutoGK meant to produce both an unsplit and split .avi output set when i choose 2CD?
and to repeat my earlier Q, where should the .credits file go? (VIDEO_TS or root?). thanks. (Sorry this is what happens when i try to post at 5AM).

[buzzqw]

@Len0x

A simply request: as input file could be opened d2v ? (builded with your recommed dgindex version)

Thanks

BHH

[Mc|Atm0s]

[08/06/2004 0.20.18] Duration was: 2 hours 24 minutes 0 seconds
[08/06/2004 0.20.18] Speed was: 17,55 fps.
[08/06/2004 0.20.19] Expected quality of first pass size: 58,60
[08/06/2004 0.20.20] Running second pass.
[08/06/2004 0.20.20] Writing the following script to C:\Programmi\DivX\Movies\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,2,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","Italiano");
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetSource("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx AC3 T02 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetInterleave(1,500,2,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS2","Espa\xC3\xB1ol");
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\xxxxxxxxxx.avi");
===========================================================
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Duration was: 16 seconds
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Speed was: 9243,75 fps.
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Job finished.

16 second?!? 9243,75 fps?!?

Can I resume the second pass? ;)

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Hi len0x, wouldn't it be usefuller, if you'd make the Maxium Width feature as a check feature, i mean, that you can activate it in compination with the min width option, so you can enter resolution ranges like 448 to 640 for width....

[len0x]

Originally posted by NMachiavelli
Would it be possible to support more than 2 audio tracks?

no, afaik AVI doesn't support more that 2 audio tracks. (neither do standalones)

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw
A simply request: as input file could be opened d2v ? (builded with your recommed dgindex version)


No, I don't want to hassle with just video. And the way DGIndex progresses - format's changing rapidly.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Smiff
edit: not another redundant post, christ. is AutoGK meant to produce both an unsplit and split .avi output set when i choose 2CD?
and to repeat my earlier Q, where should the .credits file go? (VIDEO_TS or root?).

yes it means to produce both full and split versions. hidden options files are meant to go to the folder which actually contains VOBs.

[buzzqw]

@Len0x
No, I don't want to hassle with just video. And the way DGIndex progresses - format's changing rapidly.

I understud but, i say, d2v created with dgindex bundled with autogk.

I am sorry for repling but with d2v support you would also support multiple .ts (Example: the Dreambox split file .ts at every GB), because i can build only one d2v with several file.

Thanks anyway :)

BHH

P.S. isn't a priority. just a request. feel free to reject (as already done :( )

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw

I understud but, i say, d2v created with dgindex bundled with autogk.


ppl would never follow that. its exactly the reason I removed IFO parsing from AutoGK...

Originally posted by buzzqw

I am sorry for repling but with d2v support you would also support multiple .ts

That's already possible! I forgot to mention that if you have properly named files like: bla_1.ts, bla_2.ts they will all be picked up!

[buzzqw]

ppl would never follow that. :scared:

yes, very probable (if not sure... :rolleyes: ) (argh... i like this features!)

I forgot to mention that if you have properly named files like: bla_1.ts, bla_2.ts they will all be picked up!

very good news ! :) :)

Argh.. i always cut (in dgindex) some commercials at beginning and at end.
Ok ! i must aks Neuron2 to put in preview info the number of current frame (to know trim/credits).

Thanks Len0x

BHH

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw

Argh.. i always cut (in dgindex) some commercials at beginning and at end.


check out FAQ Q 6.6

[buzzqw]

Ok Len0x :D

Nothing more to say ! ;)

Thanks Thanks Thanks

BHH

[Smiff]

thanks len0x for answering my stupid noob questions. now i have another q that i hope won't try your patience. using Kill Bill (my movie of the moment:), AutoGK put the cut when she's wiping the window. a few seconds later there's a fade to black. now i'd really like to put the disc change in that FtB, 'cos how it is just seems wrong. is there any way to do this? i could use the uncut .avi to split where i want, but that would make the two halves different sizes. this is ok in this example if it's only a few seconds, but say the best point was 5 minutes away, at a natural chapter change. considering that the credits take up 15 minutes of disc2, there's no reason why the cut should be very close to the middle (time wise)? so is this beyond what AutoGK was meant for (newbies)? shame because i think the split point is very important in not ruining 2-cd movies, disturbing the enjoyment too much you know. it could be a great new option in Hidden Options, to enter a frame number to split on, like the credits option. perhaps this can't be done for technical reasons, but thanks for listening.

[eb]

@ lenOx,

version 135a-- if tables are not present then default 11/14 PIDs are used

What is going on when the file in process is .mpg or .mpeg with video as E0 and audio as C0
Greetings
eb

[manono]

Smiff-

...i think the split point is very important in not ruining 2-cd movies...

I agree with you, but as far as I know, there's absolutely no way for AutoGK to know where the chapter break is. It splits at a point where there's a keyframe, and to insure that both halves have the same quality.

You can decrypt the movie by chapters using DVD Decrypter, but you'll have no guarantee that both halves will have nearly the same quality.

I usually take the time to find out where a natural split point is, but this involves extra work and time, and is nothing for AutoGK to mess with, in my opinion. I also had the split occurring where she's wiping the window in Kill Bill Vol 1, but there's a natural split point quite soon afterwards (if I remember correctly), so I split the movie into 2 halves and did it over again.

One thing you can do is to make the size 1390 MB or so, instead of 1400 MB, and then you'll have some leeway in deciding where to split it, and you'll get a better split point when splitting yourself.