Auto Gordian Knot: current version 2.55

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
He and I means it is greyed out, you cannot select a res

what if you delete GkItFast4U.ini? (I have to rename that one actually)

[len0x]

Originally posted by najt
And about the hyperthreading issue. SubRip also crashes, but I can't even start it, while AutoGK doesn't crash so often. It is written in Delphi (I pressume AutoGK is also) so check borland's developer network for a solution. Could be a bug in a dll that SubRip and AutoGK use.


I searced all over the internet - nothing :(

[XenoDaSouljah]

Originally posted by len0x
what if you delete GkItFast4U.ini? (I have to rename that one actually)

yes, after deleteting the ini file and restarting the program, it works normal :)

Btw i encoded another movie and this time it wasnt oversized. It was slightly undersized cd2 was 696mb.

muahaha ,I selected dutch subtitles and it put the english ones in there !! :confused:

and i DID select DUTCH : [12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Input dir: F:\FRIDAY_AFTER_NEXT\VIDEO_TS
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Output file: F:\FRIDAY_AFTER_NEXT\friday_after_next.avi
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Audio: English
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Subtitles: Nederlands
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Target size: 1400Mb
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Custom audio settings: AC3
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Started encoding.
[12/3/2003 3:14:26 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[12/3/2003 3:15:53 PM] Analyzing source.
[12/3/2003 3:15:53 PM] Writing the following script to F:\FRIDAY_AFTER_NEXT\tmp\lastjob.vcf

edit: dvddecrypter log: 0x20 - Subtitle - Nederlands / LBA: 3875 / PTS: 00:00:13.207 / Delay: 12920ms
0x21 - Subtitle - English / LBA: 488 / PTS: 00:00:01.927 / Delay: 1640ms
0x22 - Subtitle - English / LBA: 2605 / PTS: 00:00:08.887 / Delay: 8600ms
0x23 - Subtitle - English / LBA: 13698 / PTS: 00:00:45.487 / Delay: 45200ms
0x24 - Subtitle - English / LBA: 4117 / PTS: 00:00:14.007 / Delay: 13720ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 103 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x82 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 105 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x83 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English - Director's Comments / LBA: 106 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x84 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English - Alternate Director's Comments / LBA: 107 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x89 - Audio - DTS / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 104 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
muahaha ,I selected dutch subtitles and it put the english ones in there !! :confused:


try again, and see immediately in the log if it picked up correct subs...

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Originally posted by len0x
on my version it doesn't get disabled :) Seriously - what do you mean by enable? You are not supposed to edit it - just use the arrows.

the arrows also don't work... had that bug with several betas befor, but with next version it was always fixed...

[XenoDaSouljah]

Originally posted by len0x
try again, and see immediately in the log if it picked up correct subs...

it says dutch , but it uses the english subs :? dunno really

[XenoDaSouljah]

len0x i did some more test, al more movies are a little bit undersized, and only the band of brothers dvd eps2 gets oversized, so my guess is the problem got something to do with the dvd ?

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
it says dutch , but it uses the english subs :? dunno really

have you tried to rip the subs with vsrip and compared them to what is listed in the Stream Info ?
So maybe it's just wrong indexed in the Stream Info, like subs for dutch is in the Stream Info #1, but with SubRip #2.
You can also check this with IfoEdit...

[ookzDVD]

@len0x,

Ok, the AutoGK 0.64b finally can solve my problem,
the DivX pro 5.11 is working now :)

Btw, is that possible to add the feature "Do not mux the video and audio" ? somehow I don't like to use the ".avi" anymore :))

Thank you.

[XenoDaSouljah]

Len0x i have to keep deleting the ini file for the box to work, please some more work on that.
And thanks once again for the program :)

[Tuning]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
..is that possible to add the feature "Do not mux the video and audio" ? somehow I don't like to use the ".avi" anymore :))

Hi Ookz,
Why not use VirtualDubMod to convert to mkv. If you want to use AAC, then this option is good. But if it is mp3 then latest VDM can handle converting to mkv into smallest size. ( I think latest VDM has introduced better lacing schemes and file size are comparable with mkvtoolnix output - small )

[Destron]

Hello,

I just started using Auto GK yesterday and have already done 3 DVD backups with it. It is wonderful! I have, however, discovered one little quirk which, although not exactly a bug, I think probably should be worked out. On the third DVD backup I made (Barry Lyndon, Kubrick) I selected an output size of 1090 MB with auto-select between AC3 and MP3 on. The audio track for this DVD happens to be a 500 MB 6 channel AC3 file and I expected Auto GK to choose MP3 in order to have enough space for this 3 hour movie. But, it just muxed the AC3 creating a 600 MB video stream and 500 MB audio stream. I think that the algorithm to select between AC3 and MP3 should be worked out such that the AC3 track should only be muxed if it reflects a more appropriate portion of the total file size.

Thank you very much, this software is excellent! For the time being I have decided to just select AC3 or MP3 manually.

Destron

[xistan]

Originally posted by Destron
I think that the algorithm to select between AC3 and MP3 should be worked out such that the AC3 track should only be muxed if it reflects a more appropriate portion of the total file size.


I guess you have a point, but look at the following (from the AutoGK guide att doom9).

"The Auto option will use 128kbit/s VBR MP3 audio for 1 CD rips and keep the original AC3 Dolby Digital soundtrack for 2 CD (or larger) rips."

Quite a simple algorithm don't you think ;) Can't really blame the app here.
/C

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
Len0x i have to keep deleting the ini file for the box to work, please some more work on that.


Fixed.

Also I increased bitrate slightly to get rid of undersizing. 0.65 beta will be available shortly.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ookzDVD

Btw, is that possible to add the feature "Do not mux the video and audio" ? somehow I don't like to use the ".avi" anymore :))


C'mon you can demux video in vdubmod just in one step (by selecting no audio). And audio is still there, so you don't have to demux it.
That option would create uncessary questions from newbies...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Destron

I think that the algorithm to select between AC3 and MP3 should be worked out such that the AC3 track should only be muxed if it reflects a more appropriate portion of the total file size.


Well, it's not about size actually. More appropriate would be select audio depending on comp test result. So if doing rip for more than 1 CD then AC3 is used first, but if resolution falls significally then it switches to MP3. Although we have to define which resolution we wanna keep with AC3 audio. (We can't go for max resolution, coz then MP3 will almost always be used)

[rmagere]

Personally I opt for the mp3 rather than then ac3 when the compressability check at 704*xxx returns less than 45~50% if using ac3 (and only if I don't care about the movie as otherwise I would just increase the size by 1cd).

[len0x]

Please test - divx undersize should be much less.

[MediaMage]

testing 0.65!

about the threading:
checked everything twice that the treads don´t use the same ram?
there´s two commandos to "synchronize" the threads in delphi

[len0x]

Originally posted by MediaMage

about the threading:
checked everything twice that the treads don´t use the same ram?
there´s two commandos to "synchronize" the threads in delphi

The thing is that I don't use any threads on startup! (when programs is crashing). I suspect some component(s) give me the trouble but I can't figure out which since I can't debug this stuff on HT enabled PC(well I don't have one).

[Destron]

Originally posted by len0x
Although we have to define which resolution we wanna keep with AC3 audio. (We can't go for max resolution, coz then MP3 will almost always be used)

I see. Just to note, Auto GK opted to resize this video to 352x224 in order to keep the AC3, but I would have wanted to keep the resolution around 500x325 or so. If you think that the algorithm works well I can always just select the format manually to suit my needs.

Thanks,

Destron

[Moasat]

Len0x, can you (or have you tried to) make a call to the Win32 API function SetThreadAffinityMask(...) with a value of 1? That will set the app's affinity to a single processor and should work for hyperthreading CPUs as well.

Just a thought.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Moasat
Len0x, can you (or have you tried to) make a call to the Win32 API function SetThreadAffinityMask(...) with a value of 1? That will set the app's affinity to a single processor and should work for hyperthreading CPUs as well.


that's an interesting idea. I just assigned a main thread id of the application to a single processor and compiled a test version which I'm ready to give to the ppl who have HT CPUs...

[Moasat]

I have an HT system at home, not here at work. I can try it later tonight and over the weekend.

[MediaMage]

@lenOx

still oversized by 2.5 mb (NOT 2 cd, selected custom, 1400 mb)

log is in your pm box

[len0x]

Originally posted by MediaMage

still oversized by 2.5 mb (NOT 2 cd, selected custom, 1400 mb)


I have only one clue so far - bitrate depends on length, which depends on number of frames. so it worth checking that it's reported correctly in the log file.

p.s. was that 0.65 ? or 0.64 ? Coz .65 is supposed to produce large files that 0.64...

[Darth Maul BR]

New Start and Abort icons (Png and Ico files) hot and cold (gray)
I can´t make BMP transparent file, sorry. :(

http://members.lycos.co.uk/darthmaulbr/teste/GKF4U_Icons4.zip

[MediaMage]

@lenOx:

as stated above: 0.65 was used,which produced the overhead of 2.5 mb

[dosdan]

AutoGK beta 0.65:
Since one aspect of AutoGK should be educative, I think you should tighten up the nomenclature a bit.

[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Audio size: 113044160
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Overhead: 9291776
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Video Size: 1345670464
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Target bitrate is: 1869kbps

Since Target Size is expressed in MBytes (shouldn't target size in the log and the drop-down target Size menu be shown as "MB" rather than "Mb"), I think this would look better as

[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Audio size: 107.80 MB
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Overhead: 8.86 MB
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Video Size: 1283.33 MB
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Target bitrate: 1.78 Mbits/s

(if possible, all decimal points aligned for readibility)

"Target bitrate" is not not mentioned in the tutorial. The problem is that it is currently expressed in kbps = 1000 bits/sec whereas I take it that Kbps = 1024 bits/sec. So 1860 kbps = 186000 bps. I don't know if this is the traditional usage in expressing video bitrate. After some head scratching, I worked out:

Target Video Bitrate = 1283.33 MB * 8 (bits in a byte) / 5760 (length of this particular movie in secs) = 1.78 Mbit/s

If traditonal usage is kbps, the figures should be shown that way with commas for readibility:
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Audio size: 113,044.16 kbps
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Overhead: 9,291.78 kbps
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Video Size: 1,345,670.46 kbps
[6/12/2003 9:07:35] Target bitrate is: 1,869 kbps

But I believe that for the typical size of files encountered with this app, MB (2^20 bytes) would be significantly neater.

Also I could not find the move_gk.log file. Previously I could inspect this as soon as it commenced.


Also interlacing:

[6/12/2003 8:43:53] Analyzing source.
[6/12/2003 8:51:30] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[6/12/2003 8:51:31] Analyzing PAL source with different field order.
[6/12/2003 8:59:22] Source is considered to be interlaced.

Does this mean that the field order was found to be correct or reversed? What would the log screen have shown if the opposite of what you expected happened? Isn't the presence of two "Source is considered to be interlaced" msgs confusing?

[ookzDVD]

@len0x,

Thank you for the info :(

The option "not to mux" is to save the space.

I know I can easyly demux it or even use the _movie.avi and the .mp3
in the tmp folder.

Thank you.

[ZZZERO]

Introduced autognot 0.5 to a friend and they got this error. Any idea what's going on here?


[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Input dir: E:\HOTPINK2\VIDEO_TS
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Output file: E:\HOTPINK2\VIDEO_TS\hot pink 2.avi
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Audio: English
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Subtitles: none
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Target size: 1900Mb
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Started encoding.
[12/5/2003 11:02:59 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[12/5/2003 11:07:54 PM] Analyzing source.
[12/6/2003 12:01:40 AM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly NTSC).
[12/6/2003 12:01:42 AM] Found 426090 frames
[12/6/2003 12:01:42 AM] Audio size: 398081152
[12/6/2003 12:01:42 AM] Overhead: 5059840
[12/6/2003 12:01:42 AM] Video Size: 1589153408
[12/6/2003 12:01:42 AM] Running compressibility test.
[12/6/2003 2:12:39 AM] Duration was: 2 hours 10 minutes 56 seconds
[12/6/2003 2:12:40 AM] Speed was: 2.71 fps.
[12/6/2003 2:12:41 AM] Compressibility percentage is: -20.99
[12/6/2003 2:12:41 AM] Using softer matrix.
[12/6/2003 2:12:41 AM] Using softer resizer.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Floating point division by zero
*************************************
[12/6/2003 2:12:41 AM] Finished encoding.

[dosdan]

0.65 beta. Had a 4th disk overflow after specifying 3 disks:

2,207,461,376 Movie.avi

733,218,816 Movie.CD1.avi
733,452,288 Movie.CD2.avi
729,112,576 Movie.CD3.avi
10,088,448 Movie.CD4.avi

[wertherman]

1) If I don't close the program down between encodes and just change the input directory and output filename then when I click start encode it loads up dvd2avi but doesn't actually index the file (dvd2avi just loads up and does nothing).

2) I have a movie which has a mono ac3 soundtrack on it, and the command line you're using for besweet can't cope with decoding it. Log file from besweet can be found at http://www.wertherman.plus.com/IMPORTANCE%20OF%20BEING%20EARNEST%20AC3%20T01%201_0ch%20192Kbps%20DELAY%200ms.log

Oh well, I suppose I can always make it a two cd rip and stick the ac3 track in.....

[len0x]

Originally posted by MediaMage

as stated above: 0.65 was used,which produced the overhead of 2.5 mb

I have to roll back to what I was using in 0.64. It looks like current GK has the same for a reason: deviation is noticable and it's better to have just undersized than oversized in some cases.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
The option "not to mux" is to save the space.

I know I can easyly demux it or even use the _movie.avi and the .mp3
in the tmp folder.


not anymore - _movie.avi is not there - I'm muxing audio on the fly duing second pass to save some space :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by ZZZERO
Introduced autognot 0.5 to a friend and they got this error. Any idea what's going on here?


Very inetersting log.
First, 426090 frames is more than 4 hours. Is that right ?
If it is indeed that long, the I'll check, may be some variables have to be int64 instead of integer (overflow problems).

[len0x]

Originally posted by wertherman
1) If I don't close the program down between encodes and just change the input directory and output filename then when I click start encode it loads up dvd2avi but doesn't actually index the file (dvd2avi just loads up and does nothing).


ok, will have a look (probably know what's the problem)

Originally posted by wertherman

2) I have a movie which has a mono ac3 soundtrack on it, and the command line you're using for besweet can't cope with decoding it. Log file from besweet can be found at http://www.wertherman.plus.com/IMPORTANCE%20OF%20BEING%20EARNEST%20AC3%20T01%201_0ch%20192Kbps%20DELAY%200ms.log


hm... do you know which command will cope with them?
I myself hadn't had any problems with such tracks.
(have you tried manual encoding with besweet with other parameters?)

[len0x]

Originally posted by wertherman
1) If I don't close the program down between encodes and just change the input directory and output filename then when I click start encode it loads up dvd2avi but doesn't actually index the file (dvd2avi just loads up and does nothing).


actually I'm unable to reproduce it. DVD2AVI behaves that way when it can't find input vobs. Are you sure that it's working if you just select that second encode after opening AutoGK ?

[len0x]

Apparently if you select Win98/ME compatibilty mode for AutoGK - you should not have any problems running it on HT enabled CPUs.

[ZZZERO]

Originally posted by len0x
Very inetersting log.
First, 426090 frames is more than 4 hours. Is that right ?
If it is indeed that long, the I'll check, may be some variables have to be int64 instead of integer (overflow problems).

I don't know the exact length of the movie but it is right around 4 hours long. I told the friend to save all logs so further information could be provided if necessary.

[len0x]

Mainly two issues should be tested:

- no oversize with divx5 (slight undersize is acceptable now)
- handling of long movies (both in size and in length)

Otherwise we're getting quite stable.

[FastEddie]

Len0x, :)

I've been using Gordian Knot from day 1, but it was al
more work to explain to others how to get the perfect DivX
with AC3. There is just one problem - when i use the advanced
options and chose fixed width, the XviD looks perfect on pc,
but my Kiss Player makes it look like al the people are
"FlatHeads" because the screen is pushed together.:(
With the previous versions of Gordian Knot i alway's kept the
same amount of lines as the DVD (PAL - 720*576) so that it would
look the same as on DVD. Could you please make a button or choice
under the Advanced Settings to keep the original amount of lines as on the DVD? It would really make it a lot more easy for me to tell others how to transform dvd's into perfect divx :D.

Thx anyway for your groundbreaking packages.

Greetz, FastEddie from the Netherlands.

[G2k]

I think that the player you use has the wrong aspect ratio set for that movie you watch. Try either 4:3 or 16:9 and see what happens. If they still look like flat-heads, then try setting a ratio of your choice or a custom aspect. That's as far as I can help you ^_^
Peace

[dosdan]

[7/12/2003 6:33:46] Target size: 2100Mb
....
[7/12/2003 6:51:30] Found 144012 frames
[7/12/2003 6:51:30] Audio size: 322588672
[7/12/2003 6:51:30] Overhead: 5241344
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Audio and overhead size is more than target video size!

[liamo]

just out of curiosity dosdan, was that an ac3 audio stream you chose when you got that exception?
liamo

[dosdan]

Yes liamo, 3-disk DivX, Auto everything. That's AC3 if you select more than 1 CD as the target size.

[liamo]

[07/12/2003 00:07:29] Target size: 2500Mb
[07/12/2003 00:07:29] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 720 pixels
[07/12/2003 00:07:29] Custom audio settings: AC3
[07/12/2003 00:07:29] Started encoding.
[07/12/2003 00:07:29] Demuxing and indexing.
[07/12/2003 00:11:18] Analyzing source.
[07/12/2003 00:18:39] Source is considered to be progressive.
[07/12/2003 00:18:39] Found 162251 frames
[07/12/2003 00:18:39] Audio size: 311519232
[07/12/2003 00:18:39] Overhead: 1926784
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Audio and overhead size is more than target video size!
*************************************

same thing
liamo

[Christos]

Originaly posted by len0x
Otherwise we're getting quite stable.
So some "look and feel" things...
The AutoGK icon when viewed at 16bit color depth has a white rounding.(The shorcut on my desktop)
The icons in the programm look very professional exept for the "about" icon which has a black rounding.
That's it... :)
I guess its because I tried so hard to find a bug and I couldn't... :D


P.S. Is "Jobs queue" the next big thing to expect from this GREAT tool? :)

Cheers

[FastEddie]

G2K, :(

I'm sorry, but i've tested everything on the Kiss player
or the Revoy 3200DX, it stays the same.
I've been fidling with everything for one of the stores over
here in Holland to get the perfect DivX + AC3 and the only
way to get it is to set the width and height the same as the original
DVD - now is that no problem with Gordian Knot if you do everything
by yourself, but explaining it to others is a different thing.
You can adjust the player but the picture won't be as good as the
DVD as when you just select everything at 100% - i can then put it
on 2 cd's and still have perfect DVD quality with AC3.


I choose the Fixed Width at 720 lines but the height is then
squashed - if you can manually choose the height the problem would
be over to.

If it's nog to much of a hassle, i'd love to have that extra setting.

Greetz, FastEddie :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by dosdan

EXCEPTION: Audio and overhead size is more than target video size!

i'm on it :) (managed to get it here as well)