Auto Gordian Knot: current version 2.55

[AZEncoder]

First, please forgive my noobiness. :) I have read a lot of messages on the forums here in the last week and a half. I understood some of it, certainly not all of it, and have tried to follow forum rules by searching for enlightenment.

I have used AutoGK to encode a bunch (approximately 80 TV episodes) of other stuff. It has worked flawlessly. Bravo len0x!!!!!!!! interestingly enough playing with AutoGK now has me wanting to learn more (how to use full blown GK) so that I have more control over backup processes.

I am trying to use AutoGK to back up my purchased copy of Die Another Day (James Bond). I have run into a subtitle issue.

Used AutoGK .77b

Attempt #1 settings:
Audio Track: English AC3 6ch
Subtitle Track: No Subtitles
Output size: 1 CD (700Mb)
Advanced Settings
Resolution Settings: Fixed Width 640
Codec: Xvid
Audio: Auto(AC3/VBR MP3)
Display only forced subtitles: not checked
Use external subtitles: not checked

Results: no subtitles, Sound good, picture looked great.

Attempt #2 settings:
Audio Track: English AC3 6ch
Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions
Output size: 1 CD (700Mb)
Advanced Settings
Resolution Settings: Fixed Width 640
Codec: Xvid
Audio: Auto(AC3/VBR MP3)
Display only forced subtitles: not checked
Use external subtitles: not checked

Results: subtitles throughout entire movie, but synchronization of subtitles gets out of wack after initial scene, Sound good, picture looked great.

Attempt #3 settings:
Audio Track: English AC3 6ch
Subtitle Track: No subtitles
Output size: 1 CD (700Mb)
Advanced Settings
Resolution Settings: Fixed Width 640
Codec: Xvid
Audio: Auto(AC3/VBR MP3)
Display only forced subtitles: checked
Use external subtitles: not checked

Results: no subtitles, Sound good, picture looked great.

What I am trying to accomplish is just get the movie backed up so that the subtitles show just during the beginning of the movie like when you watch the DVD without subtitles turned on. Seems pretty uncomplicated but, something is going wrong.

I screwed up the .log file by going back into AutoGK and trying to run a preview. I will re-run Attempt #3 to grab .log file and post it later. I saw in one of the other threads about forced subtitles but was unable to come to any conclusions from the comments mades about my situation.

Also, I read the original documentation that was written by manono and is accessed from the @len0x's forum post on current version message in the Gordian Knot development forum. manono any chance you could update the tutorial to reflect the choice of forced subtitles and external subtitles? Just trying to understand what exactly those options do.

Thanks in advance!

AZEncoder

P.S. After I posted the above note, a flash of insight struck me. Maybe "Display only forced subtitles" means that you have to turn subtitles on but they will only display the "forced ones" (like at the beginning of Die Another Day). So, I am re-encoding an attempt #4 with the following settings:

Attempt #4 settings:
Audio Track: English AC3 6ch
Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions
Output size: 1 CD (700Mb)
Advanced Settings
Resolution Settings: Fixed Width 640
Codec: Xvid
Audio: Auto(AC3/VBR MP3)
Display only forced subtitles: checked
Use external subtitles: not checked

I'll post the results later.

[manono]

Hi-

Being done as we speak. But I don't think it's going to help with your problem.

[len0x]

Subs angles and PGCs are now handled via subs.settings file (see history).

I'm gonna have a holiday break (see my other post in this forum), so nothing much will be done in the next a couple of weeks.

[zerocoolnl]

Holiday? Are you joking? We need you man! haha..

Greetz,
Zerocoolnl

[AZEncoder]

Originally posted by AZEncoder

P.S. After I posted the above note, a flash of insight struck me. Maybe "Display only forced subtitles" means that you have to turn subtitles on but they will only display the "forced ones" (like at the beginning of Die Another Day). So, I am re-encoding an attempt #4 with the following settings:

Attempt #4 settings:
Audio Track: English AC3 6ch
Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions
Output size: 1 CD (700Mb)
Advanced Settings
Resolution Settings: Fixed Width 640
Codec: Xvid
Audio: Auto(AC3/VBR MP3)
Display only forced subtitles: checked
Use external subtitles: not checked

I'll post the results later. [/B]

Results from later well it didn't work the way I thought it would in the above attempt #4.

Notice that I chose

Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions
and
Display only forced subtitles: checked

well the results were that no subtitles showed up anywhere in the movie.

There are three sets of English subtitles in the movie so I am going to try using one of the other sets of English subtitles to see what happens. with the following settings.

Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions (second set)
and
Display only forced subtitles: not checked

I will post results later.

AZEncoder

P.S. manono, I think my messages probably ought to be in their own thread, (sorry for not posting that way to begin with). Do you have the ability/desire to move this to a new thread or should I do that? Perhaps the title should be "Missing/non-synchronized subtitles".

[manono]

AZEncoder-

Sometimes the Forced Subs are in their own stream, so your new plan should (might?) work. Rather than run the full encode before finding out the results, just run the Preview, and if you don't get the Forced Subs on your first try, go back and pick another Sub Stream and run the Preview again. The Preview should be slow to set up only the first time, and when just selecting a different set of subs, it should be real fast the later times.

Doing it that way, you won't check Forced Subs at all, but just the different English subs.

P.S. manono, I think my messages probably ought to be in their own thread,...

Nah, that's OK. Maybe others will learn from your experiences. And I'll be able to incorporate what you're learning into the Guide. Sorry, I should have mentioned that earlier-that the Forced Subs are sometimes in their own Sub Stream, and not always part of the main Sub Stream. If you know there are Forced Subs, and you see the Multiple Sub Streams in the same language, that should alert you.

[AZEncoder]

manono,

Originally posted by AZEncoder

There are three sets of English subtitles in the movie so I am going to try using one of the other sets of English subtitles to see what happens. with the following settings.

Subtitle Track: English Normal Captions (second set)
and
Display only forced subtitles: not checked

I did what you suggested (using preview mode) and it turns out that the other two "English" subtitle sets were French and Spanish. I don't know what the deal is with that as there is also listed 2 other french versions and 8 additional Spanish versions of subtitles. So, the long and the short of it is that the "display only forced subtitles" switch doesn't work (at least not in Die Another Day). And the only way to get subtitles (in English) is to choose the first Enlish choice under subtitles and do not choose "Display only forced subtitles". The secondary problem I have with this particular set of parameters is that after the initial scene where the forced subtitles are appropriate. The other subtitles are out of sync throughout the remainder of the movie.

So, what you are saying should normally work (from reading your updated tutorial and the examples you use) are the following settings.

Subtitle Track: None
and
Display only forced subtitles: checked

Correct? Or did I miss something?

AZEncoder

[manono]

Hi AZEncoder-

Correct? Or did I miss something?

Maybe I missed something, as I was anything but clear there. I haven't tested AutoGKnot with Forced Subs yet, but since I own the LOTR DVDs, perhaps I should one of these days. I think you have to choose both a main Substream, and then also check Forced Subs. That's if there are Forced Subs embedded within that main Substream. If they are a separate stream, then you should be able to select only that stream, and then not check Forced Subs. If you have one stream with both the complete English Subs, together with the Forced Subs, then that's the one you'd choose, together with checking the Forced Subs box.

One thing you might try is use the Main GKnot to track down those pesky Forced Subs. Go to the Subtitles Tab, and then to Resynch. Pick one stream after another, and see if the Forced Subs are there (there's a separate column for them). If you know where the Forced Subs are supposed to be, then highlight the corresponding line to see what the subs for that line say. If they aren't there, then one of the streams should be real short, since there are relatively few lines of Forced Subs. Go back into AutoGK, and then test out that same stream. This may be slightly inaccurate, since I'm not looking at a Sub Stream that has Forced Subs, but once you try out Resynch, you should be able to figure it out.

And in your case, you may have to check out all the streams, as you said the other two English Streams were French and Spanish, so maybe one of the later French or Spanish Streams has what you want. But that's all real quick to check in Resynch.

Edit later: I forgot, since I already had VobSub and didn't install it as part of AutoGK. If you did install it, just look in your AutoGK folder and you should see VobSub, and inside there you should see subresynch.exe.

[satfabio]

I think that should be better make a change in
advance settings section:

When user open this section and select a option and after
close the form with x the options are saved in ini files.
But should be professional if the options are saved if user
click only on OK button and not on X.

Paul

[manono]

Hi satfabio-

There's a note about that in the Advanced Settings portion of the guide. I mentioned it once to len0x and he thought it better to save the settings for people that always wish to use the same settings.

Note: As you all know, for the last six weeks or so, len0x has been tireless in his updates to AutoGK, and in his quick responses to questions and suggestions. But for the next 3 weeks he won't be visiting nearly as often, and I hope we all agree that he deserves a break. But in the meantime, we'll be relying on each other more to help out.

[madprofessor]

Originally posted by len0x
Subs angles and PGCs are now handled via subs.settings file (see history).

I'm gonna have a holiday break (see my other post in this forum), so nothing much will be done in the next a couple of weeks.

OK the quick hack worked for me like a charm :D :sly: :D :cool:
again my congrats for that excellect program and a very small suggestion after a lot of episode encodin :p
why not have as a default selection for the name of the output file the name of the input directory? so if one has made the folder after the decryption he doesnt have to touch that tab at all :rolleyes:

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

[azza_lizard]

Originally posted by madprofessor

why not have as a default selection for the name of the output file the name of the input directory? so if one has made the folder after the decryption he doesnt have to touch that tab at all :rolleyes:



Yes please..... and an option/default to remember the output directory last used too... those pesky files are going everywhere:rolleyes:

Seasons greets to all

[Wolfman]

if agk does multiple encodes one after the other it could attach a job number to the output file eg encode1.avi encode2.avi thereby allowing batch files to be setup and left running overnight without any user input. Have'nt used 0.8 yet (or 0.77). seems to be some sort of holiday thing happening.. mucking up all my schedules!! Bah Humbug!
Also shouldnt the new release be 0.80 rather than 0.8?:D

[DevilsChild]

Hi,

BeSweet keeps crashing on my computer every time AutoGK 0.8 tries to make an MP3 file. This happens regardless of what MP3 settings I use, and even older versions of AutoGK crash EVERY time BeSweet is used.

Any ideas?
____________________________

Audio log:

Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (8/8/2003), Engine 3.90 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 12/22/03 , 14:42:22.

C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\DETOUR AC3 T01 2_0ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\DETOUR AC3 T01 2_0ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3 -logfile C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\DETOUR AC3 T01 2_0ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -azid( -c normal ) -lame( -h --abr 128 ) -profile( GordianKnotItFast4U )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\DETOUR AC3 T01 2_0ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\DETOUR AC3 T01 2_0ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 2/0, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : ABR
[00:00:00:000] | Avarege Bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 32
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

_______________________

AutoGK log:

[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Input dir: C:\DVD\Rips\Detour
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Output file: C:\DVD\Projects\Detour.avi
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Audio: Unknown language
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Subtitles: none
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Codec: XviD
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Target size: 1400Mb
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Started encoding.
[12/22/2003 2:29:04 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[12/22/2003 2:34:12 PM] Analyzing source.
[12/22/2003 2:34:12 PM] Writing the following script to C:\DVD\Projects\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("C:\\DVD\\Projects\\gk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\\DVD\\Projects\\gk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
[12/22/2003 2:42:10 PM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 32.61
[12/22/2003 2:42:10 PM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 82.29
[12/22/2003 2:42:10 PM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 16.29
[12/22/2003 2:42:10 PM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 1.43
[12/22/2003 2:42:10 PM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[12/22/2003 2:42:13 PM] Found 128594 frames
[12/22/2003 2:42:13 PM] Encoding audio.
[12/22/2003 2:45:47 PM] Audio size: 4,294,967,295 bytes (4096.00 Mb)
[12/22/2003 2:45:47 PM] Overhead: 5,143,808 bytes (4.91 Mb)
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Audio and overhead size is more than target video size!
*************************************
[12/22/2003 2:45:47 PM] Job finished.

[Wolfman]

re-install besweet.. or turn off hyperthreading .. or relocate the exe file. Also your log file shows parameter "--abr" it might be the double dash?? audio 4gb sounds slightly OTT!

[robust]

why don't i get a response on my question?
I want to encode movies with two tracks. And AutoGK doesn't have such feature though it is necessary.
That's why i'm asking the developer again: "Would you please be so kind to add this feature in your next release(s) of AutoGK?"

[manono]

Take it easy there, robust-

It's on the to do list, and sooner or later that feature will be implemented. In the meantime you can use this workaround. Allow room on your encode for the second audio track plus the overhead, convert that track yourself outside of AutoGK, and then mux it in yourself. So, if you're making a 2 CD rip, and the second audio track+overhead is 100 MB, for example, then make the .avi for 1300 MB, convert the 2nd audio track (if MP3 is what you want), mux in the second audio track, and then split. If the second audio track hadn't been demuxed yet from the vob files, then go back into DVD2AVI and get it.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by robust
why don't i get a response on my question?
Weren't you taught to say please?
"Would you please be so kind to add this feature in your next release(s) of AutoGK?"
Ah, you were taught indeed! Now you got your answer. See? With good manners it's a lot easier. Also, you may find this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=38330&highlight=free+pies#post38330) reading interesting.

[robust]

Originally posted by r6d2
Weren't you taught to say please?

Ah, you were taught indeed! Now you got your answer. See? With good manners it's a lot easier. Also, you may find this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=38330&highlight=free+pies#post38330) reading interesting.

I post here not to conduct debates with such flooders like you. Watch your 'good' manners (to be correct - lack of them). You've chosen wrong forum for teaching someone of what you're not even aware of.
manono gave me the clear answer - "this is on to-do list". That's all i needed. and i thank him for that.

2 manono
Actually, i know how to make 2 tracks manually, but i want this feature to be added in the AutoGK. I thought, the developer forgot about it. thanks for making it clear to me now .

[len0x]

Originally posted by DevilsChild

BeSweet keeps crashing on my computer every time AutoGK 0.8 tries to make an MP3 file. This happens regardless of what MP3 settings I use, and even older versions of AutoGK crash EVERY time BeSweet is used.


Hmm... It's not the first time I hear this.
Important thing are:
- is audio mp3 file indeed 4Gb in size?
- is it playable at all?

Lets go from there.

P.S. you can try extracting besweeet 1.5b24 into besweet dir and see if that fixes your problem. But I'm really curious what's happening there anyway.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by robust
You've chosen wrong forum for teaching someone
I'm not teaching you good manners. And since in fact I don't know you, I presumed you had them. Just pointed out you better use them.
manono gave me the clear answer - "this is on to-do list".
You could have saved the embarrasment by reading the ToDo list by len0x on his first post (or later comments on this thread), but instead you asked twice, and the second time disregarding proper conduct in this forum towards a developer, particularly when it comes to free tools. I suggested a reading on that subject, but obviously you seem to disregard any advice and do everything your way.

You know, bad manners better be used (if available). Ignorance can be overcome. But lazyness leaves almost no room for improvement.

[MediaMage]

i wish every one of you a merry x-mas around the world,
and especially to lenOx for crafting us such a nice tool!

so, i already have made lenOx a present some time ago (the first donation EVER!!)
if YOU want to make him a little present, just donate some cash ;)

(just think, how much time autogk COST lenOx, and how much time is SAVES us!)

[manono]

Way to go, MediaMage! :goodpost:

[AZEncoder]

A very Merry Christmas to each and everyone. I hope that Santa was as good to you as he was to me.

And a special thanks to len0x for the unbelievable amount of time and effort that he does in our behalf. May we never be ungrateful for all that he does for those of us who do not have the talent nor expertise that he is blessed with.

I second MediaMage's thoughts on our making len0x's Christmas and New Year a little better by making a contribution or in some of our cases a second contribution for all the work on GK and AutoGK.

AZEncoder

[len0x]

Merry Xmas everyone and and special thanks to those donating (not many but still). :thanks:

[LenLen]

You guys have done an amazing job making this program.. I ripped an episode from my x-files dvd collection and I can't believe the quality.. (I've been fiddling around with all the programs for a month now but haven't equalled it) and I am just so impressed! I do have one request thoug (as we always do) :) Have you considered incorporating the option for a batch job? That would make an already amazing program even moreso.. Thanks for all of your hard work guys!

[manono]

Hi and welcome to the Forum-

Glad to hear that you're getting good results easily. This is from the bottom of very first post in this thread, so many pages ago:
My TODO list:

- job queue support (batch mode)
- more complicated IVTC parameters tuning
- AVS Settings customization via config file, i.e. noise filter lines, deinterlace lines, decomb lines.
- second language support


len0x must be psychic. He read your mind before you even asked the question. :)

[mikeathome]

@len0x:

Happy X-Mas and a prosperous new year !

I hope you don't ingnore my post as in the past when I was requesting an improvement in the size setting dialog.

This time I desparately looking for your help. Santa brought a DivX player Medion/Lifetec 7457 equipped with the new Mediatec chipset. It plays flawlessy AGK-Xvid-CustomSize-AVI DVD-R exact until the 2GIG size border. Then skips to the next AVI, in case there is one.

Could you pls. add an option to save segmented AVI with custom size setting, size 2000MB. This would perfectly overcome this limitation since the player automatically skips to the next AVI seamlessy, at least with current firmware.

thx. for your software, regards, mike

[Wolfman]

You can do this yourself with vdub .. plus what sort of xvid encode NEEDS more than 2gb.. surely your overdoing thigs .. average compression rate about 10:1 (xvid) your source cant be 20GB!! maybe 2gb is limit of the avi container (20bit addressing or such like?) or is 2gb maximum limit of ANY file on dvd, remember std dvd is broken into 1gb chunks (vobs)..AFAIK.

[MindlessOath]

if u are creating custom size of 4 to 8gb for autoGK your really going overboard NO movie unless its over 3 hours long is going to be that big. you should for one... break up your current files using vdub, and two... create custom files that are smaller than 2GB, because no "current" hardware firmware/chipset will play files over 2GB... its just way not needed... like said before dvd's break up files in many VOB files that are relitivly small on a dvd (about 1 - 2 GB). if your copying things to DVD keep them small and dont go overboard. (even with highest res and a nice bitrate and sound... it shouldnt go to huge, i would say 2GB at most).

[manono]

Hi-

...even with highest res and a nice bitrate and sound... it shouldnt go to huge, i would say 2GB at most.

Perhaps you just haven't seen any yet. I've seen dozens. As both you and Wolfman said, it's easy enough to split them ourselves, though. But I don't think it's an unreasonable request. Up to len0x whether or not he'll implement it, though.

[najt]

Originally posted by manono

Perhaps you just haven't seen any yet. I've seen dozens. As both you and Wolfman said, it's easy enough to split them ourselves, though. But I don't think it's an unreasonable request. Up to len0x whether or not he'll implement it, though.

I'm against it. This program is for the average Joe and shouldn't be complicated/cluttered with advanced options.

[AZEncoder]

This is one of those stumpers. If anybody has any ideas I would be very grateful.

Here's the log file.

[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Input dir: C:\STOS77
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Output file: C:\STOS77\test.avi
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Audio: English
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Subtitles: none
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Codec: XviD
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Target size: 700Mb
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 640 pixels
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Started encoding.
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "C:\STOS77\gk_tmp\test.d2v". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[12/27/2003 8:42:25 AM] Job finished.

This is the log file for an encode with AutoGK that I am trying to run. I have a server that is running W2K Advanced server (AMD running at 1GHZ, and big IDE drives) with sp4 and then patched up to the latest. That is where I normally store all of my .VOB files (we'll call it system #1) and then I have a couple of workstations running W2K Professional also patched to sp4 and then up to the latest (we'll call them systems #2 and systems #3) The two workstations run AutoGK flawlessly. They are both running AMD Athlon processors clocked at 1GHz.

The above encode ran on one of the two workstations without a hitch (didn't try the other workstation but suspect that it would work just fine as well).

I was given an old dual processor pentium II running at 450Mhz, (we'll call it system #4). The disk subsystem for system #4 is RAID 5, 6 drives (9GB each) physical disks in the array. I loaded W2K Advanced Server on it and patched it up to the latest and greatest and loaded AutoGK (started with version 0.5) I recieved an identical error message to the one above when system #4 tried to do the encode with the .VOB files living on system #1. At first I thought maybe it was because of a security issue with the system #4 accessing system #1 so I moved the .VOB files onto the local C: drive of system #4, I still get same error message. Then I thought maybe that it was because I was running W2K advanced server as opposed to W2K Professional. So I fdisked system #4 and re-installed W2K professional, but I still get the same error message as you can see above. Then I remembered seeing a message about Hyperthreading being a problem and I thought perhaps dual processors would be a problem as well, so I took one of the processors out. The problem didn't go away, same error message.

Okay, so now I am really really stumped!!!!!!!!! BTW, I know the error message says it can't open the file. I am logged into the system as administrator with all access rights. I look in the designated folder (C:\STOS77\gk_tmp\) and it is empty. If I delete the folder completely it gets recreated but I get the same error message. It's like it can't create the file that is needed by the next step and when the next step that AutoGK initiates looks for the file it can't find it.

If anybody wants a good laugh at my expense I would be happy to be laughed at, Just so I can't get this stupid problem figured out.

Thanks!

AZEncoder

[len0x]

Sounds interesting. Few questions.

- Do you see DVD2AVI working or its just quickly exits?
- Are you able to use provided version of DVD2AVI on those systems manually on those vobs?

It might be internal DVD2AVI problem...

[AZEncoder]

Originally posted by len0x

- Do you see DVD2AVI working or its just quickly exits?
- Are you able to use provided version of DVD2AVI on those systems manually on those vobs?

It might be internal DVD2AVI problem... [/B]

It happens very fast but from what I can tell DVD2AVI is loading and exiting very quickly.

pulled up .VOB's manually in DVD2AVI without a problem and chose demux (AC3,MPA,DTS) and then chose save project under the file menu.
Worked fine though a little slow (to be expected on a PII 450Mhz). It created a .d2v file in C:\STOS77\ directory.

Version of DVD2AVI is 1.77.3dg1.0.0RC2 (version that ships with AutoGK)

Have tried this with version 0.5 AutoGK and every update up to and including 0.8.

Thanks!

AZEncoder

[r6d2]

@len0x,

It has happened to me several times that subs are not burnt on the output stream. For instance, on Matrix Reloaded, I ripped all extras to different folders. Then I tried to AutoGK them separately.

1. Making of the highway scene: worked OK (congrats on a perfect AutoIVTC)

2. Find the exit: no subs. Audio is out of sync too.
Streams file:

0x20 - Subtitle - Portugues / LBA: 946770 / PTS: 00:00:17.167 / Delay: 17050ms
0x21 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 943314 / PTS: 00:00:03.887 / Delay: 3770ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 942466 / PTS: 00:00:00.050 / Delay: -66ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x480 (NTSC) / 4:3 / LBA: 942454 / PTS: 00:00:00.117 / Delay: 0ms

Log file:

[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Input dir: D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Output file: D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\Encuentra la Salida.avi
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Audio: English
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Subtitles: Español
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Codec: DivX
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Target quality: 67%
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 640 pixels
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Started encoding.
[27-12-2003 12:27:59] Demuxing and indexing.
[27-12-2003 12:28:09] Analyzing source.
[27-12-2003 12:28:09] Writing the following script to D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("D:\\ISO Movies\\Matrix Reloaded\\Encuentra la Salida\\gk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\ISO Movies\\Matrix Reloaded\\Encuentra la Salida\\gk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
[27-12-2003 12:29:05] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 49,95
[27-12-2003 12:29:05] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 41,53
[27-12-2003 12:29:05] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 18,03
[27-12-2003 12:29:05] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 40,44
[27-12-2003 12:29:05] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly NTSC).
[27-12-2003 12:29:06] Found 17661 frames
[27-12-2003 12:29:06] Encoding audio.
[27-12-2003 12:30:30] Indexing subtitles.
[27-12-2003 12:30:30] Writing the following script to D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\vobsub.params
===========================================================
D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\VTS_01_0.ifo
D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\Encuentra la Salida
1
0
1 cc
CLOSE
===========================================================
[27-12-2003 12:30:40] WinRAR is not found. Switching to internal subtitles.
[27-12-2003 12:30:40] Running single pass encoding.
[27-12-2003 12:30:40] Writing the following script to D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\Encuentra la Salida_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\AutoGK\filters\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\ARCHIV~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")


function getOrder(clip c) {
order = GetParity(c) ? 1 : 0
return order }

movie = mpeg2source("D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\Encuentra la Salida.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=35)
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / 0.911392405063291)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
fixed_aspect = input_par > 1.4 ? 0.911392405063291 : 0.888888888888889
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=35)
Telecide(order=getOrder(movie),guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.0)
Undot()
VobSub("D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\Encuentra la Salida.idx")
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
===========================================================
[27-12-2003 12:30:41] Writing the following script to D:\ISO Movies\Matrix Reloaded\Encuentra la Salida\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("D:\\ISO Movies\\Matrix Reloaded\\Encuentra la Salida\\gk_tmp\\Encuentra la Salida_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x78766964,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompData(511,"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");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("D:\\ISO Movies\\Matrix Reloaded\\Encuentra la Salida\\gk_tmp\\ENCUENTRA LA SALIDA AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\ISO Movies\\Matrix Reloaded\\Encuentra la Salida\\Encuentra la Salida.avi");
===========================================================
[27-12-2003 12:52:27] Duration was: 21 minutes 46 seconds
[27-12-2003 12:52:27] Speed was: 13,52 fps.
[27-12-2003 12:52:27] Job finished.

[guspasho]

Sorry if this has been asked already before but it's hard to search just one thread (when that thread has 50+ pages!) I was wondering why one cannot get a variable bitrate compression. Maybe it isn't even possible with Xvid/Divx and I'm just confused with audio compression, but thanks for answering nonetheless.

BTW, my few bucks is in the pipe. Thanks for this great software!

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Originally posted by r6d2
@len0x,

It has happened to me several times that subs are not burnt on the output stream. For instance, on Matrix Reloaded, I ripped all extras to different folders. Then I tried to AutoGK them separately. (...)
[/size]
I dont know what type your dvd is, but maybe it's multiangel, which is a fact wo async subs, or autogk uses cc subs, which also makes some subs async
<- drunken, so don't get my serious ;D, but that's what i first wouldt think of ;D

[manono]

guzpasho-

When you ask about VBR, are you referring to the video or the audio? If video, then it is classic VBR 2-pass encoding. I think you are referring to the audio, though. AutoGK uses Average Bitrate, which is a form of VBR. The default for 1 CD rips is the BeSweet Alt-Preset 128. It will give you a VBR MP3, averaging around 128. If you play the audio in a player that shows the bitrate, such as WinAmp, you'll see how it fluctuates, or varies. But my audio knowledge isn't perhaps all it could be, so if that doesn't answer the question, maybe you can elaborate some more.

[guspasho]

Originally posted by manono
guzpasho-

When you ask about VBR, are you referring to the video or the audio? If video, then it is classic VBR 2-pass encoding. I think you are referring to the audio, though. AutoGK uses Average Bitrate, which is a form of VBR. The default for 1 CD rips is the BeSweet Alt-Preset 128. It will give you a VBR MP3, averaging around 128. If you play the audio in a player that shows the bitrate, such as WinAmp, you'll see how it fluctuates, or varies. But my audio knowledge isn't perhaps all it could be, so if that doesn't answer the question, maybe you can elaborate some more.

I think it does, thanks. I was asking about the video, actually. All I know is that when I play the video in Winamp the bitrate doesn't change, but I hadn't considered ABR. Thanks again.

I'm trying to determine why cartoons like Family Guy and Simpsons suck so bad when encoding. You would THINK that they would be much more compressable, you know? But to get even fair quality for a 22 minute episode you have to set the size to 100 MB, which is comparable to live-action video's compressability.

[manono]

Hi-

But to get even fair quality for a 22 minute episode you have to set the size to 100 MB

I don't think most people would put more than 4 22 minute episodes on a CD, so that would work out to 175 MB or so, depending on the resolution. So what resolution are you using, and what kind of compression percentages is AutoGK giving you? And animation is much more difficult to compress than one might think. One of the problems is the dark lines that outline everything. And you'll often see all kinds of artifacts around them. And another problem is the solid masses of color which can often show as a bunch of blocks of similar colors. One way to improve them is to give them a higher bitrate (i.e., a larger file size).

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
@len0x,

It has happened to me several times that subs are not burnt on the output stream. For instance, on Matrix Reloaded, I ripped all extras to different folders. Then I tried to AutoGK them separately.

1. Making of the highway scene: worked OK (congrats on a perfect AutoIVTC)

2. Find the exit: no subs. Audio is out of sync too.


So, sometimes it finds winrar and sometimes it doesn't ?
Am I right to assume:

- if burnt in subs selected they always burnt in (given that you dealing with first PGC)
- if external subs are selected then sometimes winrar is not found
- in those cases when switching to internal subs causes no subs at all to be displayed

I might now what can be wrong in third case (have to check that).

@All

I'm gonna start using naming convention from DVDDecrypter for Angle & PGC selection, so all those related problems should be gone at some point. (Also looks like DVDDecrypter 3.1.8 changed structure in stream info file for subs, so you might get weird results with that)

[duwde]

Hi len0x,

Before anything, congratulations for GKIF4U (now AutoGK) !!

I've found a issue with hybrid sources (x-files episodes for example, in this log, season 1 - episode 2), the final avi "skip some frames", take a look in the logs (btw, I'm no video expert, so forgive me if I'm completly wrong about this subject) :

[28/12/2003 05:06:01] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 37,25
[28/12/2003 05:06:01] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 80,24
[28/12/2003 05:06:01] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 10,94
[28/12/2003 05:06:01] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 8,82
[28/12/2003 05:06:01] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).

Why don't add a option in the adveced menu, like "What to do if it's Hybrid: ()Auto ()IVTC ()Normal. By normal I mean don't use IVTC and leave the output avi at 29.97fps. The auto option would be safe for begginers.

I know that, as you state clearly in the logs, it's mostly FILM, but the progressive pattern won't look any good in the resulting AVI and I'd rather have a non optinal compression using 29.97, than have this effect of skiping frames.

Yes, I know that I can use GordianKnot (and I do), and that you don't wanna make AutoGK as complex as the original GK, but I think it would make AutoGK even better, and able to generate perfect AVIs, even when using hybrid sources. What do you think about it ?

[manono]

Hi duwde-

Since I had a hand in recommending what to do about hybrid sources, I feel partly responsible for what you're seeing. As you know, hybrids are real hard to make look good in .avi. If it were MPEG2, then you could go ahead and encode it as interlaced for playback on a TV, but with .avis, you can't. Neither of the choices you have are that good. According to that log, you've got about 91% progressive, IVTCable material, and you IVTC that and it looks good. The remaining 9% or so is interlaced, and Decomb's Mode=3 will make it look better than a straight IVTC (not quite as jerky), but the blending it does to make it play more smoothly is far from perfect, and will leave those video portions still slightly jerky, like it's missing frames.

But there are 2 alternatives left if you want to make the whole thing 29.97. One is to use Decomb's Mode=1 (as AutoGK would do if the result were hybrid (mostly VIDEO)). That deinterlaces the video portions, and they'll play reasonably smoothly. But with that remaining 91%, it IVTC's and then adds back another frame by blending together 2 adjacent frames. The result there is that the whole thing is 29.97fps, but 91% of that plays blurry because of the blended frames, and it will also stutter very slightly, because of the added blended frame in every 4 frames. In addition, you take a real quality hit when encoding for the same file size, because you now have 25% more frames than before.

And the other alternative is to deinterlace the whole thing, as you can do in GKnot. For me anyway, that's a really lousy choice, because not only are you deinterlacing the 9% video, but also the other 91% progressive frames. And the end result is not so good, in my opinion. I guess that's what you're doing when you use GKnot for the X-Files, or other hybrid material.

It's a tough call. Personally, I'd rather get 23.976fps, have a higher quality for the same file size, and put up with the slight jerkiness during the video portions. I understand your point of view that you really don't like the "skipping frames". But none of the solutions are really any good. But I can't speak for len0x, and maybe he'll have something to say about it.

I think it would make AutoGK even better, and able to generate perfect AVIs

Better men than you or I have attempted to solve this problem, and I don't think anyone has yet generated perfect .avis. If you search up in the AviSynth forum on this subject, you should find quite a few threads about this subject. Also, the Decomb Help file has more information about Decimate's Mode=1 and Mode=3

[r6d2]

@len0x,

I just finished T3 with 640 width. Output was 640x256. Seems to me that 7 lines were cropped from the source, originally anamorphic 720x357 (black bars cropped).

Is this guess of mine (cropping of 7 lines) correct? if it is, don't you think it may be a little too much? (about 2%)

It certainly gives you the most perfect AR, and precludes some rounding limitations of certain filters, but maybe that idea of encoding little back bars to keep the whole height may be revisited.

What do you think?

[len0x]

Originally posted by manono
It's a tough call. Personally, I'd rather get 23.976fps, have a higher quality for the same file size, and put up with the slight jerkiness during the video portions. I understand your point of view that you really don't like the "skipping frames". But none of the solutions are really any good. But I can't speak for len0x, and maybe he'll have something to say about it.


I think strategy I'm using now is ideal, but implementation can be slightly improved. I mean thresholds for decimate can be tuned to get it working exactly as that statistics' telling you (I'm slowly working on that). After that it will get as good as it gets I think for CFR solution. The only better choice would be VFR in such container as matroska, but I doubt that those files will ever be very compatible with standalones...

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2

It certainly gives you the most perfect AR, and precludes some rounding limitations of certain filters, but maybe that idea of encoding little back bars to keep the whole height may be revisited.


Well, it all comes from the fact that height has to be mod 16.
And it's difficult to keep black bars, coz crop is done automatically via autocrop plugin, so i really don't have much freedom in this process (I supply just AR I want to keep and that's it). And if I'm not mistaken autocrop will never leave black bars, but only can keep certain AR...

P.S. any news on those subs problems of yours ?

[AZEncoder]

Just curious if you have any ideas about the two issues I have run into.

1) forced subtitles issue. Being the nooby that I have not been able to determine whether this is the same issue that R6D2 is asking about. It looks like it is, but I can't tell for sure. If so what additional testing could I do to help sort out the problem?

Here's a link to my description of the forced subtitle issue:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64266&perpage=40&pagenumber=26

Issue #1 Resolved Just had to figure out that the Subtitles identified as Spanish (third set of Spanish subtitles no less) were the right ones for forced subtitles even though they weren't identified as such.

2) file not found error with DVD2AVI via AutoGK, but DVD2AVI works fine standalone on PII 450Mhz dual processor system.
I have since installed it on an additional system that is single processor with W2K SP4 and it works there as well. I have another PII 450Mhz dual processor system. So I will test it on it as well to see what the scoop is. Do you think it could have anything to do with the RAID 5 subsystem? all of the single proc systems are all running on IDE drives.

If any one has any ideas please let me know and I will do what ever testing any one suggests for either of these two issues.

Thanks!

AZEncoder

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
And if I'm not mistaken autocrop will never leave black bars, but only can keep certain AR...
According to the docs(1), there are TopAdd and BottomAdd parameters (default to 0) which let you sort of handle that and keep small black bars. Don't know if they can be negative though.

(1) There is a small bug in AutoCrop docs. The order of parameters is wrong. A fixed doc version is included with FACAR.

But if that does not work as expected, you may try just use log mode, read the AutoCrop.log file (get top and height), and use regular crop afterwards and AddBorders to pad the bottom (or evenly spread the black bars among top and bottom) to have Mod 16 height (I do that in FACAR to support "As Seen on TV" mode).
P.S. any news on those subs problems of yours ?
Sorry, I did not notice you needed more feedback. Rereading your previous post I can only comment that I have WinRAR installed in the usual folder (same registry entry you check) and always get the not detected message.

If I check external subs I get a not detected message and the check button unchecks itself. The .params file is empty and no index file gets created, even though DVD2SVCD finds correctly the subs reading the same VOBs. Tried forced subs only with no luck either.

I thought it might have something to do with preview mode, so I started doing preview always. But the result is the same.

Perhaps it is related to the third case you mention. If you want me to do specific tests please don't hesitate to ask.

[AZEncoder]

Originally posted by r6d2

Sorry, I did not notice you needed more feedback. Rereading your previous post I can only comment that I have WinRAR installed in the usual folder (same registry entry you check) and always get the not detected message.

If I check external subs I get a not detected message and the check button unchecks itself. The .params file is empty and no index file gets created, even though DVD2SVCD finds correctly the subs reading the same VOBs. Tried forced subs only with no luck either.

I thought it might have something to do with preview mode, so I started doing preview always. But the result is the same.

Perhaps it is related to the third case you mention. If you want me to do specific tests please don't hesitate to ask. [/B]

I am beginning to feel that the problem you are experiencing with sub's is related to the problem I am having with forced sub's. If you are interested, take a look at my post on the test's I have done.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64266&perpage=40&pagenumber=26

Maybe with both of us testing and providing input len0x can figure out what is going wrong.

AZEncoder