Auto Gordian Knot: current version 2.55

[len0x]

I'll try to go over some posts over the weekend, but can't promise anything. Due to serious troubles at work I won't discuss new feature/suggestions during next month. My focus is only bugfixing atm.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by duwde
Could you please take a look at my question (and sugestion) at page 72 ? (last message on this page). It's about cropping/resizing. on my 1600x1200 resolution we are currently on page 37. i came across that problem sometimes, already. does anybody know if there is a possibility to simply number the posts? that would make such things easier.

[pindawg]

First off, Len0x, great app! I'm probably the exact type of user you are targeting. I've used GKnot serveral times with varying success. I was very happy to come across AutoGK.

After using AutoGK now for serveral encodes, I guess I don't fully understand what setting to use to produce the results I'm looking for. My situation is that I'm more concerned with quality, over file size (to a point). I've made several encodes using the "Max quality unlimited size", and the file ends up about %50 smaller than the VOB's. If I use the quality 100%, it end up about 500 meg smaller than the unlimited. So I guess my question would be this, what do I gain by going unlimited (other than file size), over a quality percentage? Since I view these on a 96" srceen, picture quality is #1, but I hate to waste disk space if the gain is minimal.

Sorry for the noob question, but after much searching, I have yet to find an answer to this question. If there is an answer out there, please feel free to point me in that direction.

Thx

[jdion81]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
on my 1600x1200 resolution we are currently on page 37. i came across that problem sometimes, already. does anybody know if there is a possibility to simply number the posts? that would make such things easier.

They are numbered in a sense arent they? :

The post that duwde is referring to has the post date and time of:
11th February 2004 08:49

[CeeJay.dk]

If you have the posts per page set to the forum default then it's page 72 , and we are currently on page 73 unless this post causes us to go to page 74.

[SiXXGuNNZ]

using autogk for the first time right now, decided to use it for "The Professional" superbit dvd

I encoded it thru gk and didn't check if it was interlaced, so since I had to redo it anyway, I decided to try out this autoivtc thing in autogk :)

I didn't let the app pick audio or width, since I knew I wanted ac3 and 640byXXX on 2cd, so I set those things and away it went

will let ya know in the morning how it turned out :)

edit: page 49 here, but I like 30 posts per page :)

[intermezzo]

Umm... hi. I'm pretty good with VDubMod, AviSynth and all, and I haven't downloaded AutoGK yet (am now), but I was wondering if it doesn't have it if you could add a permanent subtitling feature? When I edit my GKnot AVS, it won't do it right. =( Help please.

[Edit] I forgot, I meant external subtitles from... SSA files or such? Please.

[silver_cpu]

I've noted in AutoGK that if it detects scene-specific interlacing (hybrid material such as Star Trek: Next Gen), it will search the entire title for interlacing thresholds. Is there a way to do this manually, in GK? I've been trying to figure out how AutoGK does this, but no luck. I'd just use AutoGK, but it doesn't support the newer Xvid releases. I'd appreciate any help at all, and I apologise beforehand if it's mentioned somewhere in this thread, it's a very large thread and difficult to read through.

Update: I've found the avs script that AutoGK creates (_.avs) to detect hybrid material, but I can't make sense of the interlace.log file that it writes. It writes true or false depending on whether a frame is interlaced or not, but if anyone could tell me how to use this output in GK, it would be greatly appreciated.

Update 2: Now it seems that AutoGK generates an avisynth script from the interlace.log output (_test.avs), but I can't make heads or tails of it, much less begin to generate my own such script. Would it be helpful to post the scripts here?

Update 3: Ok, now AutoGK seems to be on the final leg of the process, and it's given me a final avisynth script to encode the movie with. Is it possible to use the final script just like I would any other, but in GK? That's the question I'm about to answer, I'll keep posting as things progress.

Update 4: Something went wrong, I'm not sure what, but my system rebooted halfway through the process of encoding the video, so I'm going to need to redo things. I'm relatively sure I can get this to work, though.

And, are there any plans to incorporate Xvid 1.x support in AutoGK? At least for the compressability test...

[richarddd]

autogk is refusing to create a d2v file (and therefore won't run). if I manually create one, it deletes it, says it can't find one, and won't run.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70766 for a longer description.

Any suggestions?

[manono]

intermezzo, welcome to the forum-

No, you can't burn your own SSA subs into an AutoGK movie. However, it's easy enough to do when using GKnot, by adding them to the .avs. See this thread for how to do it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70631

Before encoding, open the .avs in VDubMod to check that they show up, are the right size, position, color, etc.

[quirky9]

Hi ..
Does anyone use AutoGK with AnyDVD or other similar programs instead of DVD Decrypter?
I tried it once with good results.
Just curious is it supposed to work ok, or i was lucky?
thnx

[zerocoolnl]

Some decrypt programs will work too. So it's a bit lucky ;-)

Zerocoolnl

[intermezzo]

Originally posted by manono
intermezzo, welcome to the forum-

No, you can't burn your own SSA subs into an AutoGK movie. However, it's easy enough to do when using GKnot, by adding them to the .avs. See this thread for how to do it:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70631

Before encoding, open the .avs in VDubMod to check that they show up, are the right size, position, color, etc.

Arigatou gozaimasu! :D

Oh, and I'll just ask this question here so I won't have to start a new topic...

Does anyone know how to make audio sound better? I've got an old source, I know how to make the video better, but the audio is mono and I don't know how to muck with it. Is it possible? Thanks again for helping and for anyone who can help me with this. :)

[wertert]

I've just finished backing-up The Bourne Identity and it's given rise to an interesting point on subtitles.

The movie has lots of different languages which result in a few forced subtitles when watching the dvd. Subtitles appear during the non-english speech.

When using Autogk I normally do a 2 CD rip with AC3 sound. I always select 'use external subtitles' and select 'english' in the subtitle track where available. I like to have the subtitles available for when I watch the film on a noisy train into work ! I do not select 'display only forced' as I want everything.

The only problem is I seem to lose my forced subtitles. Viewing the .idx and .rar file in subresync shows that none of the subtitles are forced. I have to watch the movie with all subtitles on ( in zoom player ) to get the forced subtitles.

In an ideal world I would like;
.avi file with external subtitles.
movie plays with forced subtitles by default.
user can switch on full subtitles by request.

Any ideas? Am I looking at two subtitle tracks ?

On another topic t- his thread has just got too big ! As AutoGK is now very well established can we have a AutoGK subject directly off the doom9 forum

wertert

[manono]

Hi wertert-

Viewing the .idx and .rar file in subresync shows that none of the subtitles are forced.

So you're saying that the Forced Subs aren't in the main English Language Sub Stream? Then they must have their own separate stream. I don't have The Bourne Identity DVD, so I don't know which Stream that would be, but it's almost certainly one of the other English Sub Streams. If you open the idx file, scroll down to just before the time stamps start, and you'll see a couple of lines:

# Language index in use
langidx: 0

Changing the langidx to 1 or 2 (or some other higher number?) should get them to turn up. If necesssary, you can open the idx in Subtitle Tab->Configure in GKnot to see what all the streams are. After you track them down, switching the numbers back and forth should get you either the full English+Forced Subs, or the Forced Subs alone

An alternative would be to track down which Stream the Forced Subs are in, and then to OCR them into SRT or SSA format for those occasions that you want them alone. Doing that will result in you having 2 sub tracks, but the OCR'd one will be real small in size.

[Meestor_X]

Does anyone use AutoGK with AnyDVD or other similar programs instead of DVD Decrypter?
I tried it once with good results.
Just curious is it supposed to work ok, or i was lucky?I use DVDShrink, only for the fact that I can preview what I want to rip first. Works fine with AutoGK, and I really hope it always will! (touch wood) =)

[len0x]

I've been ill recently, so couldn't get this up earlier.
Very few minor changes. This is like Release Candidate (1.0 will follow shortly if no serious bugs reported. No support of XviD 1.0 will be there - do not ask for that).

[len0x]

Originally posted by quirky9
Hi ..
Does anyone use AutoGK with AnyDVD or other similar programs instead of DVD Decrypter?
I tried it once with good results.
Just curious is it supposed to work ok, or i was lucky?
thnx

I'm not testing/making it work/supporting any other rippers apart from DVDDecrypter. Moreover sometimes I find really frustrating solving out ripper-related issues here, so if it works for you - fine, good for you. But if you have issues then _before_ reporting any problems make sure you can reproduce it with DVDDecrypter rip.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
do not ask for that.And if they beg truly truly enough? :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
And if they beg truly truly enough? :D

won't help either, but once AutoGK 1.0 is released I'm free to experiment with XviD in betas (so in fact this release's holding me up :) )

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
won't help either [...]:)BTW, len0x. I've taken a look at your resizing scripts and logic and I must say you have a gift for simplicity!

Since I was unsuccessful at cross pollinating some of the MPEG-2 findings used in D2Sroba into AutoGK (like "automatic number of media" calculation and "keep the height" mode), I took the liberty to use some of your ideas with MPEG-2, like automatic resizer selection and full width encoding.
:thanks: a lot, pal.

[silver_cpu]

Just wanted to let everyone know that for some reason I have not been able to get the final avisynth script that AutoGK provides to work in a normal GK environment. I'm not sure why this is, but for how I'm giving up on it. I'll wait until AutoGK can handle the Xvid betas, and will work from there.

[CapBoy]

as you should remember, I told you that I had problems with autogkont in buffy the vampire slayer dvd's because of the desinterlace filter, and I whould like to know:

I can use "normal" Gknot to rip the episodes, it's OK, but I would like to know which xvid settings did autogknot used to rip the episodes because they look so great.

Is there any way to know it?

Thanks, and sorry for my bad english

[Hobojobo]

One feature request for AutoGK 1.x:

A hidden manually cropping feature.
What about that?
Let's say, I want to achieve a correct 4:3 ratio in 640:480 for my TV seasons/episodes. And I don't mind to loose some pixel on the right and left border.

Would that be a possibe feature in a future release ?

And btw, I like AutoGK more and more...

[davegould]

Originally posted by len0x
won't help either, but once AutoGK 1.0 is released I'm free to experiment with XviD in betas (so in fact this release's holding me up :) )

I have 5 movies in VOB format filling my hard disk, just in case you add XviD RC2 support to standard GKnot.

I know you're busy and I don't know how long it would take (the latest alphas almost work). I can always use older XVID releases so all I'm asking for is a guess at when this might happen.

Thanks for all your hard work and stay well!

[pindawg]

Only 5! I've got 19 patiently waiting. :D

[AZEncoder]

Originally posted by manono
Viewing the .idx and .rar file in subresync shows that none of the subtitles are forced.

So you're saying that the Forced Subs aren't in the main English Language Sub Stream? Then they must have their own separate stream. I don't have The Bourne Identity DVD, so I don't know which Stream that would be, but it's almost certainly one of the other English Sub Streams. If you open the idx file, scroll down to just before the time stamps start, and you'll see a couple of lines:



manono, remember when you were helping me identify a similiar problem I was having trying to backup 007, Die Another Day? Just wanted to mention that with the help of another forum member I was able to identify the English "Forced Subtitles" as one of the Spanish subtitle tracks. Kind of strange but thought I would mentioned it for Wertert's sake.

AZEncoder-

[manono]

Oh, so they're not always in a different English language stream? Gee, they sure don't make it easy for us, do they? OK, thanks AZEncoder.

[Sumster]

Lenox

Just curious, when you use AutoGK to compress to a VBR MP3, what LAME settings does it use? The reason I ask is that I want to make sure Azid 1.9 is used to create a Dolby Pro-Logic II compatible downmix of the AC3, prior to using LAME. Also, as the output goes to an external amp, I would not want the LFE channel to be set at -3 db (only to the regular 0db).

Also, it the alt-preset standard used?

Thanks a million.

Sumster

[Taurus]

@Sumster
AutoGK is designed for Newbies, and so any ''special''implantations would just mess up with this Standard. Why don't you ''hear'' for yourself what Lame settings are used in AutoGk. If they don't suit your needs, you can take the AC3 Stream in your Rip Folder and make an
audiostream of your choice with Besweet, mux it as an second Audio Stream with VdubMod and do your compare.
I think LenOx has made a good job, specially since he added the Booster implantation, in audio conversion.
Just as I said: It's for newbies and lazy guys like me who don't want to hear the grass grow. I followed this threat from the early beginning and I wonder why so many people want all these extras.
As it is the main goal to keep it as simple as can be, any more ''extras'' are just irritating.
I prefer a slick, jet powerful machine more than all the gimmicks.
Cheers
Taurus

[((( atom )))]

@Taurus
i think developing a good software needs ppl who actively take part in that development. as you follow this thread for a while now, you should as well know, that the audio-settings have already been adjusted before upon the request of a user. this way the app could improve.
growth is important and to some the secret of improvement lies in not being satisfied so quickly.

[colinhunt]

Seems that people have been posting bug reports on this thread, so here's mine.

I ripped a bunch of cartoons from a DVD to separate directories with DVD Shrink 3.1.5, using the Reauthor function. That way I ended up with 17 "mini-DVDs", each in their own directory.

I then started the AutoGK 0.98b and added a bunch of jobs in the queue, all of them with same parameters (target quality 50, fixed width 480, DivX 5, VBR 128kbit).

First 7 episodes went through without a hitch, and I must say the quality was amazing, considering how small the avi-files were.

On the 8th episode I suddenly saw this in the log window:
Audio is not found.

After a few seconds, an error box jumped out, claiming:

----------------
VirtualDub Error
The function SetMode was called on a stream(?) that hasn't been previously initialized with SetSource.
----------------

Clicking OK aborted the job.

Now, I ripped the first 7 cartoons in exactly the same way I did the 8th cartoon. I re-ripped it, restarted AutoGK and tried again, with the same result. I then tried to encode cartoons 9-14, and they all aborted with that same error.

Apart from this little niggle, it's a brilliant piece of software. Thank you len0x!

.: colin

[gircobain]

The only ripping software fully supported is DVDDecrypter

Others may work at times, other times may not

Please read the tutorial (http://len0xmirror1.serveftp.net/~len0x/tutorial/AutoGK.html)

[MomoNyo]

Hi all

I really caught the dvd-backup bug thanks to AutoGK. Finally the idiot-proof solution I'd long sought :) Many thanks len0x!!

Sorry to make my first post here a feature request, but it's something that I think would really make AutoGK that bit more "killer". Actually it was already requested a long time back IIRC.

That is a "no audio" option.

I use 6ch HE-AAC audio here in mkv containers and it's very awkward to try and guess an appropriate mp3 bitrate (to match my already-encoded AAC track) when encoding with AutoGK. It would be so much easier if I could disable the audio encoding and then set the target size of the output video file.

I tried to rip a "silent" movie with DVDDecrypter by using the stream processing feature to discard the audio track, but AutoGK aborted the encode when it failed to find any audio :(

This feature would also please those who asked about OGG/OGM/MKV support elsewhere in the thread as they could then take advantage of AutoGK's great encoding ability and still use their favourite audio/container with a little bit of extra work.

I know the aim of AutoGK is to make it n00b-friendly (which it is), but audio encoding and muxing isn't all that daunting for a newcomer.

Anyway, that's my little contribution so far. Keep up the good work and thanks again :)

[Gordie Howe]

@MomoNyo

I also requested a "No audio" option. I think the best argument is this: the only change to AutoGK is the addition of "No audio" to the audio list. A noob user wouldn't be bothered by any mention of alternative audio codecs or containers because it's not necessary to add that to AutoGK. Furthermore, "No audio" is very clear and self-explanatory so it wouldn't be confusing to noobs. The way I see it, "No audio" is a very helpful addition for advanced users, but is completely invisible to noob users.

[Taurus]

@((( atom )))
I totally agree to your opinion, but must say that Sumsters wishlist is far of the main goal for everydaypeople. Somebody who wants an attunation of the rear chanels for audio can do it with just twisting a knob at his amplifiers and vice versa. Normally the settings in the Besweet encoding range are good for,let's say 95% of the people,and for the rest there are many ways do do a more specialized task, which fills there needs.I own a very sophisticated soundsystem(not that crappy noisegenerators which are sold for PC's, and I must say I'm very pleased with the output of my encoded AVI's.
.....but just my opinion.
I'm watching the discussions over in the Audio forums and I know that there are some new ways to handle the surround informations are in progress. But for now the status quo that LenOx does implantate in AutoGk seems right.

Cheers

Taurus

[Sumster]

Hi Taurus...

Sorry... didn't mean to make a "wish" per se or to overly complicate AutoGK in any way. I was just curious as to what encoding setting were being used in the "background".

In the audio menu, an additional checkbox called "ProLogic II" could be added which, by default, uses the Azid Prologic II downmix. As you use an external amp, I am sure you can notice the difference between simple stereo soundtracks and surround.

I also agree with the above regarding a "no audio" option. For users like myself who LOVE autogK and the simplicity, it would be nice to be able to choose NO AUDIO, or to simply select an external audio file like in GK. That way, one could tweak their downmix, LAME settings, etc and still have the option of using AutoGK.

Thanks...

Sumster

[Flintstone]

Hi!

I've got a huge problem with AutoGK that might be related to my own setup for what I know, but I haven't found anything that might suggest that. When I encode my Buffy Season 3 set (PAL) I get this annoying red and green ghosting as seen on the capture below (image is from a 440mb encode of episode 18, and is cropped for clarity). As you can see Angel is just a moment from appearing.

http://www.pdapath.com/projects/XviD/buffy.jpg

Anyone have ANY idea what is causing this? Learning & using GK is not an option for stuff like encoding a whole season of Buffy... I know someone will tell me to search the forum, but I have, and didn't find any clue as to what this might be.

len0x: Thank you for a great product! It's great for us that just occasionally encode stuff. I even donated a few months ago - might do that again if the product improves. But please don't be so afraid of introducing advanced options - it's easy to hide such things from the 1click kiddies!!!


-
Flintstone

[len0x]

Which version of AutoGK are you using?
And if you can post the log file from the encode that would help as well.

[rmagere]

Just wondering: doesn't autogk automatically save the queue list?
I am using v0.98 and I enqued 7 items then to test I just closed the autogk window (I wasn't running any of the encodings they were just queued in waiting for me to press start). When I then opened autogk again I expected to find my 7 items instead the queue list was empty.

I was sure of remembering that some previous version (maybe 0.5) would have automatically saved and reloaded my queue list, am I just remembering wrong or is this a bug, or has this feature been removed for some reason?

Thanks

[len0x]

job saving never was implemented (job queue appeared only after 0.8 btw). and will not be in the near future...

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by Flintstone
Hi!

I've got a huge problem with AutoGK that might be related to my own setup for what I know, but I haven't found anything that might suggest that. When I encode my Buffy Season 3 set (PAL) I get this annoying red and green ghosting as seen on the capture below (image is from a 440mb encode of episode 18, and is cropped for clarity). As you can see Angel is just a moment from appearing.

http://www.pdapath.com/projects/XviD/buffy.jpg

Anyone have ANY idea what is causing this? Learning & using GK is not an option for stuff like encoding a whole season of Buffy... I know someone will tell me to search the forum, but I have, and didn't find any clue as to what this might be.

len0x: Thank you for a great product! It's great for us that just occasionally encode stuff. I even donated a few months ago - might do that again if the product improves. But please don't be so afraid of introducing advanced options - it's easy to hide such things from the 1click kiddies!!!


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Flintstone
uhm... it seems to me a decoder issue or a wrong xvid codec version istalled.

[Taurus]

@Sumster....again

To make it clear:
Me,I'm also very much interested in good sounding playbacks on AVI files too.
Sometimes,when I'm not satisfied with an audiostream, I just rip it off with VirtalDubMod, take the AC3 Stream, fire up the Besweet Gui and set the jumpers to my please. Then mux it again.
So maybe your suggestion (and from others here)to insert a''No Audio''switch is the best way to overcome this struggle.
So anyone with a little knowledge can do his own task.
There are so many DVD's with poor audio quality or not standard behaviour (DTS)(PCM)(etc.), that it seems to be right to fit a ''No Audio'' choice in the AutoGk Gui.
But it depends on lenOx if there will be any more changes, as though he's just only into bugfixing for now.
Still satisfied with the defaults at present time, so keep up the GOOD WORK!

Cheers

Taurus

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by MomoNyo
Hi all

I really caught the dvd-backup bug thanks to AutoGK. Finally the idiot-proof solution I'd long sought :) Many thanks len0x!!

Sorry to make my first post here a feature request, but it's something that I think would really make AutoGK that bit more "killer". Actually it was already requested a long time back IIRC.

That is a "no audio" option.

I use 6ch HE-AAC audio here in mkv containers and it's very awkward to try and guess an appropriate mp3 bitrate (to match my already-encoded AAC track) when encoding with AutoGK. It would be so much easier if I could disable the audio encoding and then set the target size of the output video file.

I tried to rip a "silent" movie with DVDDecrypter by using the stream processing feature to discard the audio track, but AutoGK aborted the encode when it failed to find any audio :(

This feature would also please those who asked about OGG/OGM/MKV support elsewhere in the thread as they could then take advantage of AutoGK's great encoding ability and still use their favourite audio/container with a little bit of extra work.

I know the aim of AutoGK is to make it n00b-friendly (which it is), but audio encoding and muxing isn't all that daunting for a newcomer.

Anyway, that's my little contribution so far. Keep up the good work and thanks again :)

I'd agree that this support would be great, and add my request (with a big *please*), with one small addition - add a 'Demux Audio Only and Quit' option to AutoGK to start it and let it do all the work of extracting the AC3 audio - then you could encode the audio to whatever format your heart desires, rerun AutoGK with the 'No Audio' option, set your target size to whatever you calculate as needed, and go to town. Right now, I'm doing it bassakwards by running a full encode with Audio set to CBR of 96 or 128kbps, then running Oagmachine 3 or 4 times to get the audio to the correct size (it's trial and error with ogg audio, the bitrate setting is just a guestimate), then remuxing the AutoGK encoded video with the new ogg audio and discarding the AutoGK mp3 track. Works, but just a little painful. Could be so much simpler with a few additional (hidden if need be) options in AutoGK. Well, thankfully AutoGK leaves the gk_tmp directory with the extracted audio for you to work with at least.

[rantingotaku]

hmm, hopefully I don't start a flame war, but... as stated many pages ago about some requested features: that is what standard GordianKnot is for.

AutoGK was designed to help the new guys or n00bs with their video editing, never was it planned for those of us with advanced knowledge (though I use it for quick jobs that require no special attention to details), and so far it has lived up to what its creator has planned.

great job Len0x, I'll be using this until I finally give up on video editing (heh, yeah like that's gonna happen).

[Hoenemor]

I am one of the target user to AutoGK... I´m loving it :p please dont make it like Standard Gordian, I have spend hours and hours trying that :scared:

With AutoGK I can easily provide my family with avi movies :)

lenOx :thanks:

[r6d2]

To all of you asking for new features:
Originally posted by Hoenemor
I am one of the target user to AutoGK... I´m loving it :p please dont make it like Standard Gordian, I have spend hours and hours trying that :scared:

With AutoGK I can easily provide my family with avi movies :)

lenOx :thanks:
Please read, understand and learn this testimony before doing so. :)

[Hoenemor]

Please read, understand and learn this testimony before asking for new features.

:confused: I am not asking for any new features, I am just saying I wish AutoGK do not end up in a way where I no longer are clever enough to use it. To many option to make and to high age and to poor knowlegde of English...:o thats what make me drop a new program :(

Sorry for my bad english, I hope you do understand my point :)

[r6d2]

Originally posted by Hoenemor
:confused: I am not asking for any new features [...] I hope you do understand my point :) @Hoenemor, Sorry, I'm just emphasizing that you testimony is what AutoGK was designed for. It is a compliment to you since you are a target user and a thankful one! I'll add a note to clarify that.

I never thought you might take it the other way. :rolleyes:

[calinb]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
Right now, I'm doing it bassakwards by running a full encode with Audio set to CBR of 96 or 128kbps, then running Oagmachine 3 or 4 times to get the audio to the correct size (it's trial and error with ogg audio,It's much easier to simply use AutoGK as a front end for GKnot. Just abort AutoGK when the 1st pass starts. Encode your audio however you please. Then open the d2v file in GKnot and select the audio file in GKnot (to get the audio size). Before saving, "edit" the avs file and paste the text from the AutoGK avs file into the new one--either that, or queue the job in GKnot and rename the AutoGK avs file to match the name GKnot expects.