Auto Gordian Knot: current version 2.55

[len0x]

To fix the problem with pure FILM sources I released new version.

[CvH]

pure FILM sources

Question , how to insert pure FILM sources in AGK ? I know something with Stream Information.txt but i cant find something about how :confused:

could somebody help me ?!

tx

[len0x]

Originally posted by CvH
Question , how to insert pure FILM sources in AGK ? I know something with Stream Information.txt but i cant find something about how :confused:


not sure what are you asking for...

[CvH]

;)

ok

i have heard some times bevor that it is be able to open pure mpeg or avi in AGK (like the vobs).

The only thing you must do is to edit something in the Stream Information.txt

i didnt know if that be right (i hope so ^^)

[len0x]

FAQ, Q 5.4

[CvH]

tx thats im searching for ! :)

[ydobon]

First and always, thanks Len0x for your work on AutoGK. I really appreciate your goal to achieve an as-simple-as-possible tool. You've nailed it.

I'd like to point out some small details that although not being important, I'd like to see in AutoGK. In no particular order:

- When using the classic Windows theme, the left borders of the dropdown audio and subtitle menus arrows dissapear. You can see it in the AutoGK tutorial linked in your signature.

- Is it possible to allow copying of the content of the "log window"? As it is said in the tutorial there's a lot of not-always-interesting information in the .log file. It'd be nice to be able to copy & paste it. It can be done with external apps ( I use http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#countchars ) but that is newbie-unfriendly.

- Sometimes I've tried to execute AutoGK when it was already running because Windows likes to hide the tray icon. Wouldn't it be better if the window popped out instead of doing nothing? It's disconcerting even when you know why it happens.

- I know it's an aqquired taste, but I don't like fixed-sized interfaces. I also think that readability of the log window and the job queue would benefit from a maximizable window.

- I think "rookies" would be grateful for some "step i of N" indication in the log window.

- The last hyphen at the end of the "video info" annoys me. I know, I know: I'm being too picky but I kinda would like AutoGK be unreproachable :)

- Finally (I already asked for this about 10 thread pages ago, sorry to insist) I'd like for AutoGK to automatically insert the IAS1 and IAS2 AVI comments that MMSwitch ( http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/mmswitch/ ) supports.

Please consider all this as just well-intentioned feedback. I already like the program as it is.

Thanks again for all the time invested.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by ydobon
- Is it possible to allow copying of the content of the "log window"? As it is said in the tutorial there's a lot of not-always-interesting information in the .log file. It'd be nice to be able to copy & paste it. It can be done with external apps ( I use http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#countchars ) but that is newbie-unfriendly.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it is possible to copy and paste info from the log window. Once you've highlighted the text you want to copy, Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V work the way they're supposed to. And for that matter Ctrl+A works if you want to "select all" first to just save yourself some time. Here's I'll show you:

[5/11/2004 11:56:27 AM] Indexing input for preview.
[5/11/2004 11:56:31 AM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[5/11/2004 11:56:31 AM] Job finished.

See? I just did it. :)

Originally posted by ydobon
- The last hyphen at the end of the "video info" annoys me. I know, I know: I'm being too picky but I kinda would like AutoGK be unreproachable :)

The last hyphen is there because with some movies it will display the movie length at the end. Like this!

Video info: NTSC - 720x480 - 16:9 Anamorphic - 29.997fps - 0:03:49.367

I can't even begin to speak for len0x, but I will say that while the rest of your suggesetions are good, they seem more like finishing touches after all other intended features have been completed. It's like adding a hood ornament while there's still airbags to put in. Or something. Imagine I used a better metaphor.

[ydobon]

Hi, again.

Originally posted by Carraway
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it is possible to copy and paste info from the log window. [...] See? I just did it. :)

(blushing) That happens when you abuse context menus: I forgot to try Ctrl+C :P

Also posted by Carraway [...] they seem more like finishing touches after all other intended features have been completed. It's like adding a hood ornament while there's still airbags to put in. Or something. Imagine I used a better metaphor.

That's the way I see them too. But I (maybe wrongly) understood that there will be no new features added soon.

And heck, at least you used a metaphor :D


Regards

[Carraway]

Originally posted by ydobon
That's the way I see them too. But I (maybe wrongly) understood that there will be no new features added soon.

I think I recall len0x saying that there wouldn't be any new features until after the next stable release, which (again, recalling) won't be until Xvid 1.0 is released. I think.

But I really have no room to talk since like two posts ago I asked him for an equally frivolous addition when I asked for an increase of the fixed width to 800. Speaking of which...

Originally posted by len0x
why not, but only for fixed width mode :)

Yay! Thank you thank you thank you thank [ad infinitum].

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by Carraway
...Or something. Imagine I used a better metaphor.

LMAO...That's good - I can use that in meetings at work..."Something like that - Imagine I actually know what I'm talking about..." Thanks, Carraway - I'm going to climb the corporate ladder with that one...

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
- When using the classic Windows theme, the left borders of the dropdown audio and subtitle menus arrows dissapear. You can see it in the AutoGK tutorial linked in your signature.


this actually puzzles me as well...


- Sometimes I've tried to execute AutoGK when it was already running because Windows likes to hide the tray icon. Wouldn't it be better if the window popped out instead of doing nothing? It's disconcerting even when you know why it happens.


It's a good point but atm I don't know how to do that. Probably somehow I can find another application running but then I have to change the way tray icon is removed from the tray coz now its done from mouse listener of tray menu. It complicates things and I not sure yet that benefit will be more then time spent on rewriting this thing.


- I know it's an aqquired taste, but I don't like fixed-sized interfaces. I also think that readability of the log window and the job queue would benefit from a maximizable window.


true, but this is not gonna happen as GUI has to be considerably rewritten to support resizing properly.


- I think "rookies" would be grateful for some "step i of N" indication in the log window.


that's doable - I'll see what I can do.


- The last hyphen at the end of the "video info" annoys me. I know, I know: I'm being too picky but I kinda would like AutoGK be unreproachable :)


i've been meaning to remove that for a while now. good that you reminded me :)


- Finally (I already asked for this about 10 thread pages ago, sorry to insist) I'd like for AutoGK to automatically insert the IAS1 and IAS2 AVI comments that MMSwitch ( http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/mmswitch/ ) supports.


to be honest I forgot about this. will have a look as well (sounds pretty easy to me though).

[jdion81]

I know that AutoGK uses a lot of programs that are external to the main app. Is there any chance of seeing AutoGK on linux?

[Hobojobo]

@lenox

- input AR less than 1.4 is considered 4:3 material and that output AR is forced

What does it mean exactly ?
Is it the input AR after croping ?
Does AutoGK crop the video to 4:3 then to avoid ratio error ?
Otherwise I would end up with a ratio error up to 1.4/1.33>5%.

Thanks.

Don't hit me, if am I totally mistaken here.:scared:

[Darth Maul BR]

New icons for Step 3 and Preview

links removed

[len0x]

funny that noone noticed that its off with new DVD2AVIdg, so you get always much more frames than it is, so auto resizing is kinda broken (you get much less resolution than required).

I already fixed that but may not have access to the internet today, so will post update tomorrow.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hobojobo
@lenox
Is it the input AR after croping ?
Does AutoGK crop the video to 4:3 then to avoid ratio error ?


yes and yes (who do you think I am :) )

[ydobon]

Originally posted by len0x
It's a good point but atm I don't know how to do that. Probably somehow I can find another application running but [...]

Could this help?
http://delphi.about.com/library/weekly/aa110203a.htm

Also posted by len0x
[...] this is not gonna happen as GUI has to be considerably rewritten to support resizing properly.

Sooo right. Resizable GUIs are a bitch. I've done a few, so if you ever decide to give it a try, maybe I can help.

And also posted by len0x
[...]to be honest I forgot about this. will have a look as well (sounds pretty easy to me though).

Here. I found the page:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64266&perpage=20&pagenumber=90
Just an extra couple of WriteLn :)


Thanks

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
funny that noone noticed that its off with new DVD2AVIdg
Didn't notice that you already integrated new DVD2AVIdg and MPEG2Dec3dg.dll in the last betas.
Got some weird frame dropping while using the same ones in GKnot.
Don't know if it was the source. Will do some more carefully testing.
There's a new BeSweet v1.5b28 at DSPguru's Website, don't know about the changes.

Cheers

Taurus

[rmagere]

Hi,
Just wondering if it was possible to add a "soft abort" option.
By soft abort I mean that when the appropriate key is pressed AGK will carry on as normal and finish the current job, however it will not start the jobs queued after that one [so that effectively the queue is not lost].

[((( atom )))]

i was wondering if might bring up the topic of a save button for the queue again (was never answered). sometimes ppl have to reboot, go to sleep or whatever..

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
Hi,
Just wondering if it was possible to add a "soft abort" option.
By soft abort I mean that when the appropriate key is pressed AGK will carry on as normal and finish the current job, however it will not start the jobs queued after that one [so that effectively the queue is not lost].

what are check boxes for do you think? just uncheck the ones that you don't want to run...

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Could this help?
http://delphi.about.com/library/weekly/aa110203a.htm


as I said I can do that manually somehow as well, but maximizing it back is not trivial because of the tray icon code which gave me so much trouble, so I don't wanna touch it again...

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
what are check boxes for do you think?
:confused: :o :) :D

[rmagere]

Originally posted by len0x
what are check boxes for do you think? just uncheck the ones that you don't want to run...

:o So sorry, I must confess I never consciusly paid attention to the check boxes.:o

[len0x]

Dash is removed from video info (undocumeted in history) :) DVD2AVIdg should be working ok now.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
Dash is removed from video info (undocumeted in history) :) DVD2AVIdg should be working ok now.

OMG, the fixed width goes up to 1,024. Len0x, you're swell. :)

[buk]

Hi,download mirrors 2 and 3 at autogk web page are death for me, because, I´m not able to reach them from any of my 3 computers connected to net in different places with different IS providers. I always have a message like this:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /AutoGordianKnot.1.22.beta.Update.exe on this server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.27 Server at len0x.btothec.com Port 80

What is the problem? I like your work on AutoGK a nd would like to have all your new version, but mirror 1 is overweight or is not pointed to right version.
Thanks.

[len0x]

do not use any download managers - I'm protecting my downloads from direct linking. they only can be accessed from www.autogk.net

[yotsuya-san]

Originally posted by Carraway
OMG, the fixed width goes up to 1,024. Len0x, you're swell. :)

Hi, can anyone explain to me what are the benefits of going larger than 720 pixel? Thanks.

edit: and do actual divx players play an 800xXXX or a 1024xXXX avi?

[Taurus]

@ lenOx

A picture says more then thousand words....

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7239/notaintegervalue.jpg


http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9161/2168.jpg

[buk]

Hi, sounds good, but don´t function. Mirror 1 is reacheable with download manager and without it, but mirrors 2 and 3 are unreacheable with manager and without manager. The same situation is with the utility for using modes with Xvid (unreachable).

buk

[Taurus]

No problems with download mirrors

All Download Mirrors are working. Did a test 1 minute ago.

Cheers Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
@ lenOx
A picture says more then thousand words....


heh, fixed for the next version :)

@all

about downloads - i'm using referrers, so it might be that proxy/firewall connection will not work either

[buk]

Hi, it were refferers. Now it works.
Thanx

Buk

[Outerspacelord]

About the forbidden downloads: If people use eg. ZoneAlarm, u got to turn off the 'Cookie Control' ...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Darth Maul BR
New icons for Step 3 and Preview


thanks. will go into 1.23b

[daberti]

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
About the forbidden downloads: If people use eg. ZoneAlarm, u got to turn off the 'Cookie Control' ...

That's only part of the stuff: you need to allow Session Cookies, Persistent Cookies and -the most important thing- Private Header Information.

[len0x]

Support for half-sized DVDs is there along with new version of DVD2AVIdg. Looks like I'm gonna be releasing 1.25 stable soon (probably without stable DVD2AVIdg though). still waiting for XviD 1.0 final :)

[Taurus]

still waiting for XviD 1.0 final

Me too!

[Carraway]

I realize that I'm straddling that subtle line between annoying and really annoying right now, but I've got a kind of feature suggestion idea that I'd like to float.

I recall a while ago that there was talk that AutoGK was producing dark encodes. I'm grateful that you didn't add anything internally to AutoGK to brighten the encodes because that might've caused some problems, but here is my question:

I have several just generally dark sources -- Buffy [seasons 1-3], H.E.A.T., and any number of other things -- so how feasible (or infeasible!) would a .filters file be, in which you could add internal avisynth filters like tweak(bright=xx) or levels(1,1.x,255,0,255) that would then be appended to the end of the comptest and movie avs files? Would it be difficult? Impossible to support? Unlikely to ever be implemented? etc etc.

I'm in the process of archiving some Buffy at the moment, so I had to at least float the idea because otherwise it would torture my very being. Thanks for listening.

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by Carraway
-- so how feasible (or infeasible!) would a .filters file be, in which you could add internal avisynth filters like tweak(bright=xx) or levels(1,1.x,255,0,255) that would then be appended to the end of the comptest and movie avs files? Would it be difficult? Impossible to support? Unlikely to ever be implemented? etc etc.


I was just about to post a similar request for len0x to consider. I fully understand that he's already said over and over that AutoGK is not intended to be an expert tool to replace GK 100%, but support of additional filters would probably be the kicker that would allow it to be a 99% replacement. I've run into a few older films that AutoGK just can't do a good job of because they're too noisy, and need some additional denoise filters that can't be used ATM with current versions of AGK.

Any chance, len0x?

[len0x]

wait for config file support (which is at least 1 month away from next stable release date).

[Mtz]

len0x, please check the download links for the beta's. With 1.2.2 the only link which was good was the third, and now at the both 2 links there are 1.2.1 and 1.2.2.

[Taurus]

len0x, please check the download links for the beta's.

Downloads work like a charm.
Beta 1.23 is available at both servers.
So what are you talking about?
Just checked one minute ago...
From where did you download???

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mtz
len0x, please check the download links for the beta's. With 1.2.2 the only link which was good was the third, and now at the both 2 links there are 1.2.1 and 1.2.2.

both mirrors have 1.23, dunno what's your problem...

[Mtz]

Solved!
Your servers don't like my FlashGet. But was for the first time when FlashGet didn't work ok. :confused:

[jdion81]

Originally posted by jdion81
I know that AutoGK uses a lot of programs that are external to the main app. Is there any chance of seeing AutoGK on linux?

This must be a stupid question.

[QNX]

Originally posted by jdion81
This must be a stupid question.

well.. if user have enough linux experience he can try to run all AutoGK with sub application under Wine ;)

len0x

i like AutoGK more and more :P

great job :D

[((( atom )))]

autogk under linux... actually we could develop a script that does the steps like autogk does them. i thought about it very often, just i am lazy and i saw what happens once you start.. for linux-users it would be really great, though, since everybody could modify it to fit their needs.

personally i would build a standalone-machine that starts encoding automatically one a dvd is inserted. no monitor, no keyboard needed! :) that would rock.

over at the linux-section one guy has kinda worked out a compressibility test under linux, wich is one of the most and so far missing thing for it to work.

@len0x:
in case anybody really starts such a script, would you share some of the methods autogk uses to make its decisions? you put a lot of work and thoughts into them and i think they work very well.

[evil ryu]

I tried to convert "21 Grams" in DivX. I set 1 CD (700 MB) as output size and I got 702 MB as result.
Is it a bug of AutoGK?
I encoded a lot of films with previous versions and results were always accurate.

[ydobon]

Hello all.

Thanks Len0x for adding the language comments. One less step to do manually :)

I've been using AutoGK quite intensivelly lately and it's almost perfect. I'm even writing a "tutorial" for friends so they stop asking how to do a dvd backup :D

There's one little thing (ain't always one :)) that I've missed: an "All Subtitles" option in the subtitles dropdown menu. Sometimes, especially with movies with forced subtitles, I want to have 3 or 4 subtitle tracks. Right now I do it directly with VobSub (then doing the movies of 700-n MB, being n the size of the RARed subtitles), but it would be sweet to have it as an option.

@evil ryu:
In case of a few MB extra-size I usually solve it tweaking the audio/video interleaving in VDubMod.

Regards

[nightrhyme]

A few questions about the way AutoGK determines AR:

I just made a few encodings of Forrest Gump to try and get AR= 2.35:1.
AutoGK Video Info :PAL - 720x576 - 16:9 Anamorphic - 25fps - 2:16:17.000

First Try: Resolution Settings = Minimum Width 640. End Result resolution = 640 x 256

Second Try: Resolution Settings = Fixed Width 704. End Result = 704 x 288.

Third Try: Resolution Settings = Auto Width. End Result = 572 x 230 or something like that. Don't quite remember since I deleted it. Just remember AR was wrong again.

I can't seem to get AR = 2.35:1. Am I doing something wrong ?

Hope you can help this poor newbee :rolleyes:

Thanx in advance guys

[manono]

Hi nightrhyme-

Do you still have the vobs and the .d2v? Can you try something? Open the .d2v in GKnot, and crop away the black, but not into the active video. Then have a look at the AR (the one below Smart Crop All). My guess is that it'll say something between 2.42-2.45. The point is that many so-called 2.35:1 movies aren't really 2.35:1. When you see that 2.42 or so, you'll also note that there's a large Aspect Error, and further cropping will be done to bring down that error.

So the Auto-Crop cropped further to give low Aspect Error, and at 640x256 you wound up with a 2.50:1 movie, and at 704x288 you got a 2.44:1 movie (probably pretty close to what it really is). I think that with the latest 1.23b update it now crops the width to Mod 16, instead of Mod 32, so you can conceivably wind up with 656x272 (2.41:1). That probably won't satisfy you, but the only way around your problem is to do it in GKnot and crop heavily into the left and right sides to get the 2.35:1, 640x272 that you want.

AutoGK doesn't give you bad or wrong AR. It just sometimes doesn't give you the one you want or expect. When the Aspect Error is low, then the AR is OK.

But I could be wrong in my guess as to what Forrest Gump is. And for exactly how AutoGK determines how and what to crop, to achieve low Aspect Error, len0x will have to answer, if he feels like it.

[len0x]

Originally posted by manono
I think that with the latest 1.23b update it now crops the width to Mod 16, instead of Mod 32, so you can conceivably wind up with 656x272 (2.41:1).


not quite. mod 16 is for fixed width selection only. It doesn't apply to crop at all, but only to resize step. I wonder if I should make automatic resize mod 16 or leave it at mod as it is now

Originally posted by manono

But I could be wrong in my guess as to what Forrest Gump is. And for exactly how AutoGK determines how and what to crop, to achieve low Aspect Error, len0x will have to answer, if he feels like it.

AutoGK tries to maintain AR it's got after crop within mod32 width restriction and mod16 height restriction by cropping more pixels.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
autogk under linux... actually we could develop a script that does the steps like autogk does them.


I'm not familiar with linux video processing tools, but AutoGK heavily relies on so many win32 applications which cannot be easily substituted, that I hardly can imagine doing so.

Originally posted by ((( atom )))

@len0x:
in case anybody really starts such a script, would you share some of the methods autogk uses to make its decisions? you put a lot of work and thoughts into them and i think they work very well.

I'm not really sure that I want to be involved in this (since a lot of info you can find by reading this forum already) and before anyone starts developing something based on AutoGK or its ideas I strongly suggest reading section 2 of license it comes with.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
I wonder if I should make automatic resize mod 16 or leave it at mod as it is now

Haven't got any disadvantages while using mod 16. I only use Xvid, so I cannot speak for Divx.
You gain much more freedom on resolution choices and the comp test should also profit from more usable selections (to hit more exactly desired comp test value).
But as it is now, I'm satisfied with you're chosen decisions.
It's just, if you can do more, you will use it.
Best regards

Taurus

[manono]

Hi-

not quite. mod 16 is for fixed width selection only. It doesn't apply to crop at all, but only to resize step.

Sorry, my mistake-I should have said that it resizes to Mod 16. But since you say, len0x, that it applies only to fixed width selection, then it wouldn't have helped nightrhyme much anyway, unless he had chosen 656*xxx to begin with.

I wonder if I should make automatic resize mod 16 or leave it at mod (32) as it is now

I've started paying more attention recently to what the AR is on the DVD after cropping the black away, and I'm finding more and more "2.35:1" movies that are really between 2.40-2.45:1. I agree with nightrhyme that 640x256 is too narrow, even if it has low Aspect Error, and when setting up an .avs in GKnot, I'll always make them 640x272 by using the Pixel Crop to crop more from the left and right. But with those cases, 656x272 would be closer to the AR of the DVD.

In addition, I'm seeing more and more 4:3 full screen classic movies, particularly Warner Home Video DVDs, with no black bars anywhere. Those are in the true Academy Ratio of 1.37:1, instead of 1.33:1. And although I've always made my movies with a Mod 32 width, with those, I'll often make them 528x384, instead of the more standard 512x384, to avoid cropping into the video. For example, you know that Marx Brothers Collection that we were discussing? I've just had a look at my R1 DVD of A Night At The Opera and there's not a black bar to be seen, and if you crop 8 pixels from each side to get, for example, 512x384, then you're losing quite a bit of the active video, whereas 528x384 works nicely.

So, I don't know what I'd recommend. I've always been a believer myself in Mod 32 widths, but under some circumstances I'll make it Mod 16. As Taurus says above, by allowing Mod 16 widths, you get more resolution choices, and under some circumstances you can end up closer to the DVD AR.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
I'm not familiar with linux video processing tools, but AutoGK heavily relies on so many win32 applications which cannot be easily substituted, that I hardly can imagine doing so.

under linux there is mplayer/mencoder that also functions as a front-end for e.g. xvid and lame. it can read dvd and so it can encode straight into xvid/lame or whatever format one chooses. it can crop, resize filter all in one app.
that is why it would actually make sense to set up a nice script that automates encoding totally.

Originally posted by len0x
I'm not really sure that I want to be involved in this (since a lot of info you can find by reading this forum already) and before anyone starts developing something based on AutoGK or its ideas I strongly suggest reading section 2 of license it comes with.

i am afraid you got me wrong here. most of the needed information can be found in the forum, you are right. there might only be some little details left that you could provide nice help with. for instance the decision chain on when to swith to what res. or when to drop b-frames are mede very nicely in autogk and it would make sense to use these as well. also a script like that would just be a script, fully open to everybody. i was not talking about an app with a gui and all. the commandline is linuxes charm :)
last things to say are that i don't actually plan writing such script, i was just thinking about it and if you felt uncomfortable with such script i would make sure to figure the needed stuff on my own of course.

[Stebs]

Hoooray! Finally Xvid 1.0 Final is out!
http://koepi.roeder.goe.net/xvid.shtml

Changelog:
- Minor fixes for trellis quantization
- Speedup for vhq>1 modes
- Fix for broken divx5 bitstreams
- Fix for fps=1 scenarios
- Fixed some tooltips in VfW GUI

[len0x]

I wonder if I should just build 1.25 stable full pack then :)

[Hobojobo]

Originally posted by len0x
I wonder if I should just build 1.25 stable full pack then :)

Yeah !!!

[ydobon]

You "wonder"!?!

Just do it! Do you know how many times I've checked
http://www.autogk.net/web/ today? :D :D :D

And yes 1.25 is nicer than 1.24 :)


Regards

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
You "wonder"!?!

Just do it! Do you know how many times I've checked
http://www.autogk.net/web/ today? :D :D :D

And yes 1.25 is nicer than 1.24 :)


I'll check with Neuron2 regarding DVD2AVIdg since I'm using release candidate of that tool. If he plans to release stable version today - I'll wait. If not then I'll release full pack as it is.

I have 1.24 on my PC for a while (with actiually more small changes than any pos 1.0 beta so far) that's why I'm planning to skip 1.24 and get to 1.25 :)

[Outerspacelord]

I see that from AutoGK v1.22 - number of frames is detected correctly with new DVD2AVIdg. What about latest GK, would it also correctly detect number of frames with new DVD2AVIdg v1.30 RC3?

I also see that the .avs script in GK writes the Undot() after resize, as opposed to AutoGK which write the Undot() before. Should I care?

Reason I ask is because while trying encode XviD the PAL 16:9 3h 7min long 10th Anniversary Edition of Schindler's List AutoGK v1.23 will not crop as I would want.

Experimenting with Autocrop/Smart Crop etc. in GK I found a few things about this movie. To get it right I had to turn off 'Follow ITU-R BT.601 Standard' and set the 'W-Modul' to 16. Then I had to manually do the Pixel Crop since Auto and Smart Crop did it wrong. I cropped 12 pixels both from top and bottom, 2 pixels from left and 0 from right. That is the perfect crop looking at the previw window. Then when I set movie to 592x320 the aspect was perfect.
Auto crop seemed to crop 2 pixels to much from top and bottom setting it to 14. And for some strange reason it would crop 2 pixels from right instead of from the left which would actually cut something from the picture at right side and leaving some black at left when looking at the preview window.

So for len0x I have a wishlist ...
I know AutoGK should be as auto as possible. But since we know u don't have much time for GK these days, it would anyhow been nice if you put some hard to find hidden and almost secret options i AutoGK which made not so auto :) I saw you said something about .ini config? Nice.

Ok, my wishlist:

1. Make it possible to do a manual crop (maybe also avaiable after comptest?) with a preview window like in GK.

2. Ability to turn off 'Follow ITU-R BT.601 Standard'.

--- --- ---

Schindler's List is a 2 DVD release. AutoGK works just fine renaming vobs from dvd2 and moving them in dvd1 dir. Only problem then is the subs that will break after dvd1. Anyone got a solution?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
I see that from AutoGK v1.22 - number of frames is detected correctly with new DVD2AVIdg. What about latest GK, would it also correctly detect number of frames with new DVD2AVIdg v1.30 RC3?


It should, but I always recommend using DVD2AVI which is supplied with AutoGK package (anyway 1.25 will have 1.3.0 RC3 inside).

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
I also see that the .avs script in GK writes the Undot() after resize, as opposed to AutoGK which write the Undot() before. Should I care?


Even when using GK I put undot before resize for quality reasons (you can check that option on save avs window - put filters before resize).

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
1. Make it possible to do a manual crop (maybe also avaiable after comptest?) with a preview window like in GK.
2. Ability to turn off'Follow ITU-R BT.601 Standard'.


Both items will never be allowed. The only crop setting I'm planning to allow is autocrop threshold value and nuber of examined frames(which can change crop values quite a lot).

*Edit*
Just to make my position more clear. How many out of all users of AutoGK do actually care about two pixels when cropping? I mean I understand why one would want that but just the fact that you actually looking at how much cropping was done after encode in real GK means that you are not the targeted user of the application.

[Outerspacelord]

Thx for quick response len0x ... AutoGK is great :).

Maybe u read my first question to quick hehe. What I asked was if Gordian Knot v0.28.8 also correctly would detect number of frames with new DVD2AVIdg v1.3x (supplied with eg. AutoGK)

Edit: Oh I see, u wrote it should ... I suppose this means GK should. sorry for that one hehe

i have also been to quick since I have not seen the 'option on save avs window - put filters before resize'. I have done it manually lately just cause I saw u do it for Auto GK.

[len0x]

Just to be on the safe side I'm releasing still beta which has status of Release Candidate. This version should have slight speed increase on SSE2 enables PCs (since finally decoding of mpeg2 source is done with appropriate iDCT).

[len0x]

And server died as usual but not hacked as xvid one :)

[QNX]

len0x

what about latest vdubmod in autogk?

and maybe you need one more mirror :D

[len0x]

Latest VDubMod (1.5.10.x) is not stable enough.

Download mirrors are never down, its just main website is f$cked atm (they promised me to have it up in 15 min, so still waiting)...

*Edit*
Grab 1.24 here (http://len0xmirror1.serveftp.net/~len0x/AutoGordianKnot.1.24.beta.Update.exe) while server is down.

[rantingotaku]

<-- does the happy dance (you know, those annoying little hamster dances) :p

just a few issues with the installer...

1. it overwrites the besweet dir everytime there is a new release of autoGK.. this is kind of annoying since I have oggmachine and a few other apps in there (gone after update), requiring me to dig them out of one of my HD's and replace again.

2. no option to uncheck besweet / avisynth etc in the installer. I already have them in from previous releases, and since they are the same version, why reinstall?

3. this one is for the most recent release only... older versions gave option to uninstall xvid, this one did not. not really a big problem, but kind of annoying going through setup and having it quit until you remove xvid manually.

enough blabbering from me. amazing work so far, looking forward to what you have in store for us next.

[Taurus]

@rantingotaku

just a few issues with the installer...

So, this is AutoGk, not a mixup of different programs.
If you like your apps to be save, why no just build a new folder on your HD and put them in there?
I have different versions of BeSweet in different folders and never ran into trouble.
I guess lenOx puts all the apps necessary to run AutoGk in the Beta Updates, to make sure that they are working properly, and not to worry about mixed up installations, done by newbies.
And there is no harm, just pressing update and let everything go its way. All files are getting overwritten nice. Never had a problem on this.(I mean AviSynth and Xvid too).
And look at it from a developers point of view....
Have a nice day

Taurus
Edit:If you are really in need to put all your files back to the BeSweet directory in AutoGk folder: Why don't you just write a little script, a batch file, which takes care of this. Place it on your desktop, and everytime AutoGk is updated, just press the button and you're done.

[rmagere]

When I press ctrl-F10 I get two audiotracks enabled but not the two subtitles.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
When I press ctrl-F10 I get two audiotracks enabled but not the two subtitles.

FAQ 3.2

[len0x]

Originally posted by rantingotaku

1. it overwrites the besweet dir everytime there is a new release of autoGK.. this is kind of annoying since I have oggmachine and a few other apps in there (gone after update), requiring me to dig them out of one of my HD's and replace again.


That will be gone after next stable release. DG asked me to remove some dll from my besweet distribution, so I did. I'll make it again so that its always overwrittent, but nothing is deleted.

Originally posted by rantingotaku

2. no option to uncheck besweet / avisynth etc in the installer. I already have them in from previous releases, and since they are the same version, why reinstall?


Avisynth will not be compulsory, but BeSweet always be since that is a core application.

Originally posted by rantingotaku

3. this one is for the most recent release only... older versions gave option to uninstall xvid, this one did not. not really a big problem, but kind of annoying going through setup and having it quit until you remove xvid manually.


I'm not quite sure this one is for me as I don't write XviD installers. My setup only checks if xvid.dll is present (from xvid 0.9.x) and warn user asking him to uninstall it. Newer XviD installer may be indeed requires manual uninstallation, but you can safely overwrite any 1.x versions.

[FSB-SPY]

len0x:

I just took a look at my encodes through gSpot and for audio bitrate it says it is CBR 320; when all along I have been choosing VBR 320 under the advanced settings in AutoGK. Is there a way to get it to be VBR 320? CBR 320 is a big waste.

[Black0ut]

probably vbr320 means to autogk "alt preset extreme" and that is cbr 320kbit...

[len0x]

Originally posted by FSB-SPY
I just took a look at my encodes through gSpot and for audio bitrate it says it is CBR 320; when all along I have been choosing VBR 320 under the advanced settings in AutoGK. Is there a way to get it to be VBR 320? CBR 320 is a big waste.

having look at the logs I can see that 'alt-preset 320' was used but BeSweet for some reasons din't write VBR header into mp3 file, so its considered to be CBR when in fact its not (and sound will be out if synch probably in avi). this should be reported in audio forum.

[Black0ut]

I just wanted to make clear that -alt-preset 320 IS NOT VBR. So it is not BeSweet's fault. alt preset 320 is designed to give best quality and nothings better than 320kbps in mp3. ;)

[len0x]

I'm not sure you're right, coz in the logs I see:

'using ABR 320'
Average bitrate is 319kbps

[Black0ut]

well, i have encoded something in alt preset 320 and it definately was CBR

[yotsuya-san]

Blackout is right. alt-preset 320=alt-preset cbr 320=alt-preset insane. They all produce a cbr file (just try to encode through command-line LAME).

--abr 320 switch produces a "real" abr file. It depends on what switch AutoGK uses.

[AlmanNewfred]

If sound is so important that you are using 320 kbps, why not just use the AC3 audio?

[len0x]

guys, BeSweet 1.5b28 produces _identical_ files and logs for -alt-preset 320 and --abr 320 modes. Dunno if its a bug, but its a fact.
Test it yourself.

[len0x]

Btw, I've enrolled in ads program, so now those who can't contrubute by donating can contrubute by clicking on google ads on my website. :) Thanks.

[yotsuya-san]

Originally posted by len0x
guys, BeSweet 1.5b28 produces _identical_ files and logs for -alt-preset 320 and --abr 320 modes.

Just tried with BeSweet version included in GordianKnot 0.28.8:

"C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Documents and Settings\fede\My Documents\wav_temp\1.wav" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\fede\My Documents\wav_temp\1.mp3" ) -lame( -p --alt-preset 320 ) gives me a cbr file@320 kbps.

"C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Documents and Settings\fede\My Documents\wav_temp\1.wav" -output "C:\Documents and Settings\fede\My Documents\wav_temp\1.mp3" ) -lame( -p --abr 320 ) an abr one@315 kbps.

Source is a the first minute of Radiohead's Idioteque.

So, that seems to work correctly...

[len0x]

Originally posted by yotsuya-san
So, that seems to work correctly...

i'm getting tired of all this - what's the point of comparing different versions of besweet ??? b26 which is used in GK indeed produces correct results (but log still states "'abr 320' preset is used" for actual --alt-preset 320, although file seems to be CBR), but b28 is not producing VBR for --abr 320 (log has this "'abr 320' preset is used" as well).

[yotsuya-san]

Originally posted by len0x
what's the point of comparing different versions of besweet ???

Nothing more than prove that maybe b26 is right and b28 is wrong...but if it's a waste of time, I immediately shut up. Bye.

[Digga]

to clear all this fuss about cbr/abr 320 etc up (using Lame 3.96):

"--preset insane" results in CBR 320kbps.
"--preset 320" will result in CBR 320kbps (though it is supposed to give abr, 320 is the highest non-freeform bitrate, thus choosing cbr).
"--preset cbr 320" will of course also result in CBR 320.

hope this clears things up, someone correct if I'm wrong.

[Ogig]

320 kbit is such an insanely high bitrate that you wouldn't possibly be able to notice any differences if it were encoded with CBR or VBR, so I see no need to change anything. :sly:

[daberti]

Trying to encode Dances With Wolves settings follow......
(using Divx for compatibilty issues experienced against DVD737 and XVID lately, despite ESS standalone patch)

[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Audio: Italiano
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Subtitles: none
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Codec: DivX
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Target size: 2100Mb
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Custom resolution settings: minimum width of 640 pixels
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Custom audio settings: AC3
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Started encoding.
[19/05/2004 10.46.03] Demuxing and indexing.
[19/05/2004 10.57.18] Analyzing source.
[19/05/2004 11.08.21] Source is considered to be progressive.
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Found 336330 frames
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Audio size: 753,396,224 bytes (718.49 Mb)
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Overhead: 10,485,248 bytes (10.00 Mb)
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Video size: 1,438,128,128 bytes (1371.51 Mb)
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Target bitrate is: 855kbps
[19/05/2004 11.08.24] Running compressibility test.
[19/05/2004 11.21.32] Duration was: 13 minutes 3 seconds
[19/05/2004 11.21.32] Speed was: 21,45 fps.
[19/05/2004 11.21.34] Compressibility percentage is: 39,88
[19/05/2004 11.21.34] Using softer resizer.
[19/05/2004 11.21.34] Chosen resolution is: 640x272 ( AR: 2,35 )
[19/05/2004 11.21.34] Predicted comptest value is: 52,27

I'd really wish to keep original audio without giving up to video quality, thus a fourth CD option would really be appreciated.

Any hints Lenox?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Digga
to clear all this fuss about cbr/abr 320 etc up (using Lame 3.96):


that's not useful either since besweet uses 3.90 engine where that might gave been different.

[len0x]

Originally posted by daberti
I'd really wish to keep original audio without giving up to video quality, thus a fourth CD option would really be appreciated.


what stops you from manually entering 2800MB?
(of course splitting has to be done manually)

[daberti]

Originally posted by len0x
what stops you from manually entering 2800MB?
(of course splitting has to be done manually)

Quite right :)
Would you be so kind as to point me to a HOWTO for splitting?

Thanks

[rmagere]

Originally posted by daberti
Quite right :)
Would you be so kind as to point me to a HOWTO for splitting?


This strikes me as quite a lazy request, I mean this website is covered with easily findable, clearly sorted guides for doing almost anything with video files. Anyway have a look at http://www.doom9.org/virtualdub_procedures.htm#Splitting

[len0x]

topic can be closed after this discussion: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76475

[daberti]

Originally posted by rmagere
This strikes me as quite a lazy request, I mean this website is covered with easily findable, clearly sorted guides for doing almost anything with video files. Anyway have a look at http://www.doom9.org/virtualdub_procedures.htm#Splitting

Thanks

[FSB-SPY]

Originally posted by Ogig
320 kbit is such an insanely high bitrate that you wouldn't possibly be able to notice any differences if it were encoded with CBR or VBR, so I see no need to change anything. :sly:

Then I suppose you do not know what VBR means...? Not every second could possibly require a bitrate of 320, some may only require 128 or (on average, to achieve transparency, only 192 [3.96, not sure about 3.90 Lame]), even lower... all these lower bitrates mean saving in filesize, which translates into more room for video.

I do not know about you, but I am all about getting the most quality without sacrificing anything.

I am no audiophile, but I cannot tell the difference between VBR 320 and CBR 320 as far as audio quality is concerned. But show me the file size difference and I will spring for VBR. :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by FSB-SPY
Then I suppose you do not know what VBR means...?

Strictly speaking its not VBR, its ABR that it is used which means average birate. In that prospective 320kbps ABR doesn't make sense since maximum is 320 and therefore to get exact average you have to do CBR 320. If you set it lower than 320 ABR then it should work as expected.

[FSB-SPY]

Yeah -- I just responded in the other thread. I guess VBR is a feature request then. :P Add another () bubble choice, won't you please len0x? ;)

[len0x]

Originally posted by FSB-SPY
Add another () bubble choice, won't you please len0x? ;)

You can first come up with sintax for real VBR 320 Kbps lame command line...

[FSB-SPY]

switchs.html // lame.zip
* -V 0...9 VBR quality setting
Enable VBR (Variable BitRate) and specifies the value of VBR quality.
default=4
0=highest quality.

lame -V 0

Should yield quality scaleable up to 320.

[len0x]

I guess you cannot guarantee bitrate in that mode anyway, so its pretty much equivalent of having VBR 0-9 quality selection, which I don't really think we need here (meaning I don't plan to implement since you are the only one who seems to be encoding at 320kbps).

[FSB-SPY]

???

If we wanted 320 at all times, we would do CBR (which we can, as of right now with AutoGK). The point of this is for LAME to encode the file with only the needed bits to achieve transparency. Or am I missing something? :)

ex. Album rip of Paul Oakenfold's Bunnka:
-- CBR 320 = 118 MB (124,440,576 bytes)
-- VBR 320 = 91.3 MB (95,821,824 bytes)

Both sound exactly the same; but with one (VBR) we used sufficient bits (less than 320) to satisfy transparency. Less size; same quality. This adds up of course and gives us more room for video in the end.

Edit: I guess ultimately what would be best is to have a field where you could manually type in the lame string (ie. GordianKnot), and may or may not make that application obsolete if this is added to its auto counter-part. :P Or if easier, maybe just added to the hidden features array? .mp3 file with the lame syntax line?

[CHAOSMAN33]

hey i just used this program for the first time today, never tried it out prior and it worked beautifully, hope you like my donation ;)

-chaos

[Taurus]

320 kbit is such an insanely high bitrate

Baaah! All this talking about high bit rates just scares me.
When I'm really in need in keeping highest possible quality, I just take the ac3 or dts file and merge it with the video. What are the benefits to recompress a lossy source? You will only get much worse files.
Fiddling around with BeSweet settings will give you much more quality boosts than just raising the bitrate.
After all, mp3 ist just fine, if you're in need for small file sizes.
But if you gain to highest quality, there are other ways.

Just my opinion, doing mp3 encoding from almost when it all began...
Heh, heh, and I'm a real old guy.

Cheers

Taurus

[Taurus]

Audio out of sync...one more time

Just want to report a minor bug(?)with new DVD2AVIdg.
When I stop DVD2AVI loaded by AutoGk to cut off some unwanted elements at the beginning of a movie (looooong intro), afterwards the final encode is terribly out of sync on audio. 250 ms delay.
While doing a normal rip (keeping the long intro)everything is ok.
DVDDecrypter shows 0ms, DVD2AVI on normal encode, too.
But after cutting out the intro it shows 246ms delay.
Having done similar tasks on other movies with older versions of DVD2AVI,I never had a problem. Everything was in sync.
So for now I would like to warn everybody, not to cut at the beginning of a movie, or your many hours work :D will be spoiled down the river.
Sure you can repair such minor disadvantages, but for newbies it ain't fun.
Maybe somebody can confirm my observations ?

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus

Having done similar tasks on other movies with older versions of DVD2AVI,I never had a problem. Everything was in sync.


Try 1.3.0 RC5 and if the problem persist report is asap here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76080

[Taurus]

Having done similar tasks on other movies with older versions of DVD2AVI
@lenox

The problem I encountered in my last post only happens to Beta 1.23.
'caus I have more PCs running, I didn't update that particular machine.
After updating to 1.24 everything is in sync, even at heavy cropping in DVD2AVIdg.
Must have been a bug in former Beta of DVD2AVIdg.
By the way, did same tests on new DVD2AVIdg 1.3.0 RC5.
Everythings worked our fine with this release candidate too.
So sorry, if I messed up things a little, but it's hard to stay on top of the line, when there is an update twice a week :D :D .

Have a nice day

Taurus

[len0x]

This time its serious. Apparently AutoGK site completely stalls all other services (high apache load) on the server of my hosting provider(its not dedicated server), so they suspened my account there. Its gonna be moved to another server tomorrow (where there are less users) but if that's gonna continue then I need to look at other hostings.

Any recommendations (requirement is phpNuke preinstalled)?

[s2001]

Dear len0x,

I have Win2003 fast web/ftp server and I would glad to provide space to host AutoGK binaries for free...
If you are interested in such proposal, could you please contact me by email _sergey@knyazev.com_?
Thank you for best software!

Best wishes,
Sergey



Originally posted by len0x
This time its serious. Apparently AutoGK site completely stalls all other services (high apache load) on the server of my hosting provider(its not dedicated server), so they suspened my account there. Its gonna be moved to another server tomorrow (where there are less users) but if that's gonna continue then I need to look at other hostings.

Any recommendations (requirement is phpNuke preinstalled)?

[len0x]

See first post of the thread - temp download links are there.
(Hopefully site will be up later today)

[len0x]

Originally posted by s2001
I have Win2003 fast web/ftp server and I would glad to provide space to host AutoGK binaries for free...


I have no problems hosting binaries (I have three mirrors) - its actual web site hosting gives me the troubles. But thanks anyway :)

[s2001]

Ok :-) Could you please tell me, what is system requirements for your WEB? How much powerful server should be provided?

Best wishes,
Sergey

Originally posted by len0x
I have no problems hosting binaries (I have three mirrors) - its actual web site hosting gives me the troubles. But thanks anyway :)

[s2001]

Dear All,

Could you please help me with tech question?

I use AutoGK 1.24 and faced with problem - ~15% of DVD was converted and process finished "successfully"...
It happened with one DVD only which contain a lot of VOBs:

VIDEO_TS.BUP,VTS_01_0.BUP,VTS_02_0.BUP,VTS_03_0.BUP,VTS_04_0.BUP,VTS_05_0.BUP,..........VTS_16_1.VOB,VTS_17_0.VOB,VTS_17_1.VOB,VTS_18_0.VOB,VTS_18_1.VOB,VTS_19_0.VOB,VTS_19_1.VOB,VTS_20_0.VOB,VTS_20_1.VOB,VTS_21_0.VOB,VTS_21_1.VOB

Could you please tell me, how to force AutoGK to convert full DVD?
PS When I tried to use DVDDecrypter and set splitting to 1Gb, I also have part processing only...

Thank you!

Best wishes,
Sergey

[len0x]

Originally posted by s2001

It happened with one DVD only which contain a lot of VOBs:


AutoGK can only process one PGC at a time (and that program chain has to be ripped in IFO mode of DVDDecrypter). Potentially if you name your vobs like this: vts_01_1.vob...vts_01_21.vob - they will be picked up automatically (providing that you don't need subs for them).

[jdion81]

www.tinyhosts.com ===cheap

[killingspree]

Originally posted by len0x
Potentially if you name your vobs like this: vts_01_1.vob...vts_01_21.vob - they will be picked up automatically (providing that you don't need subs for them).

This will definitely introduce some severe sync issues though...

[rantingotaku]

oooohhh a nice autoGK update after a busy day, how sweet :p

just for stupidity's sake.. is the standard GK being developed still?

[killingspree]

Originally posted by rantingotaku

just for stupidity's sake.. is the standard GK being developed still?

i second that question!!

[s2001]

Dear len0x and All!

I'm admiring with very high-quality clips which produced by AutoGK :)
And I'd like to achieve the same quality in my DV (from camcoder) encoding...
Could you please tell me, what XVID option should I use (e.g. in virtualdub) to produce the same quality?
I used DOOM9 XVID guide, but I always get big, interlaced and medium-quality files :(

Thank you in advance,

Best wishes,
Sergey

[Taurus]

@lenOx

A big "Thank you", for the release of your 1.25 stable release!

I wonder how far will you go.

So we take a nip of champagne and lay back (for a little while).

Cheers

Taurus

[XenoDaSouljah]

Thanks lenox for the great program !! :)

the latest release 1,25 stable works perfect here so far !!

Thanks again lenox :cool:

btw rips looking sweet !!! with xvid final

[daberti]

@Lenox

Lenox, thanks for 1.25.
You may want to check this post of mine ;)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=499833#post499833

[Fleckie]

is it just me or does the movie - encoded in divx 5.1 - looks better than with xvid 1.0 ? the side effect is, that it takes some more time to encode with divx 5.1 (around 25-30 frames/s with divx 5.1 while 45-50 fps with xvid 1.0)

[Black0ut]

Originally posted by Fleckie
is it just me or does the movie - encoded in divx 5.1 - looks better than with xvid 1.0 ? the side effect is, that it takes some more time to encode with divx 5.1 (around 25-30 frames/s with divx 5.1 while 45-50 fps with xvid 1.0)

cannot reproduce...on my system divx 5.11 is faster than xvid 1.0

divx ~ 30fps
xvid ~ 25fps

[len0x]

Originally posted by rantingotaku
just for stupidity's sake.. is the standard GK being developed still?

not at the moment, but it can change...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Fleckie
is it just me or does the movie - encoded in divx 5.1 - looks better than with xvid 1.0 ? the side effect is, that it takes some more time to encode with divx 5.1 (around 25-30 frames/s with divx 5.1 while 45-50 fps with xvid 1.0)

5.1 IS a lot slower that 5.1.1 that should be used. Regarding look - its very subjective. Most of the ppl find it the other way around though.

[killingspree]

Originally posted by len0x
not at the moment, but it can change...

under which conditions?!

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
under which conditions?!

Me finishing most of things for AutoGK and still having free time...

[killingspree]

Originally posted by len0x
Me finishing most of things for AutoGK and still having free time...

oh ok... well don't you think updating the gknot package to the newest software developments would be great to keep it alive?? shouldn't be too much work i guess, but on the other hand i simply do not have the knownledge to make such a judgement - otherwise i'd immediately offer to do it myself...

edit: damit... how could i say this at all. it's almost up to date anyway! and i guess i should be able to update to the latest version of dvddecrypter, besweet, dvd2avidg and decomb by myself... sorry for bringing this up at all...

anyway, about autoGK, are you planning on adding DTS support?! or is this too complex atm (i mean with all the requirements - gabests filters have to be installed and you need a copy of Intervideo WinDVD Platinum) - hmmm... i guess i just answered my own question there :P

cheers
steVe
PS: if there's anything i can do (as a "not- really programmer") to help you with gknot, pls tell me!

[XenoDaSouljah]

Ok this movie got oversized (1,25)

[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] AutoGK 1.25
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Job started.
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Input dir: F:\ENEMY_D1_JOE61999\VIDEO_TS
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Output file: I:\Enemy_of_the_state.avi
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Audio: English
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Subtitles: Nederlands : Wide
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Codec: XviD
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Target size: 1400Mb
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Custom resolution settings: minimum width of 512 pixels
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Custom audio settings: AC3
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Started encoding.
[5/23/2004 3:32:18 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[5/23/2004 3:34:38 AM] Analyzing source.
[5/23/2004 3:34:38 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\gk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\gk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 4:03:33 AM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 0.17
[5/23/2004 4:03:33 AM] Source is considered to be progressive.
[5/23/2004 4:03:33 AM] Found 190173 frames
[5/23/2004 4:03:33 AM] Indexing subtitles.
[5/23/2004 4:03:33 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\vobsub.params
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F:\ENEMY_D1_JOE61999\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.ifo
I:\gk_tmp\Enemy_of_the_state
1
0
12 cc
CLOSE
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 4:05:49 AM] Compressing subtitles.
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Audio size: 365,030,400 bytes (348.12 Mb)
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Overhead: 1,267,840 bytes (1.21 Mb)
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Subtitles size: 904,166 bytes (0.86 Mb)
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Video size: 1,100,803,994 bytes (1049.81 Mb)
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Running compressibility test.
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\Enemy_of_the_state_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

function getOrder(clip c) {
order = GetParity(c) ? 1 : 0
return order }

movie = mpeg2source("I:\gk_tmp\Enemy_of_the_state.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=35)
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / 1.45868945868946)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
fixed_aspect = 1.45868945868946
flag_halfdvd = input_par > 1.0 ? 0 : 1
input_par = input_par > 1.0 ? input_par : input_par * 2
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
new_aspect = flag_halfdvd > 0 ? new_aspect/2.0 : new_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=35)
Undot()
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 4:05:54 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\gk_tmp\\Enemy_of_the_state_comptest.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\gk_tmp\\Enemy_of_the_state_comptest.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Duration was: 8 minutes 50 seconds
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Speed was: 17.94 fps.
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 57.67
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Chosen resolution is: 624x256 ( AR: 2.44 )
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 73.20
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Running first pass.
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\Enemy_of_the_state_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

function getOrder(clip c) {
order = GetParity(c) ? 1 : 0
return order }

movie = mpeg2source("I:\gk_tmp\Enemy_of_the_state.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=35)
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / 1.45868945868946)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
fixed_aspect = 1.45868945868946
flag_halfdvd = input_par > 1.0 ? 0 : 1
input_par = input_par > 1.0 ? input_par : input_par * 2
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 624
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
new_aspect = flag_halfdvd > 0 ? new_aspect/2.0 : new_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=35)
Undot()
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 4:14:44 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\gk_tmp\\Enemy_of_the_state_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 5:24:19 AM] Duration was: 1 hour, 9 minutes 35 seconds
[5/23/2004 5:24:19 AM] Speed was: 45.55 fps.
[5/23/2004 5:24:20 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 68.02
[5/23/2004 5:24:20 AM] Running second pass.
[5/23/2004 5:24:20 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\gk_tmp\\Enemy_of_the_state_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("I:\\gk_tmp\\Enemy_of_the_state AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3",0x00000203,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,96,96,1,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","English");
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 7:04:05 AM] Duration was: 1 hour, 39 minutes 45 seconds
[5/23/2004 7:04:05 AM] Speed was: 31.77 fps.
[5/23/2004 7:04:05 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,96,96,1,0);
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","English");
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.AddRange(0,95940);
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.cd1.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 7:04:05 AM] Splitting video into: I:\Enemy_of_the_state.cd1.avi
[5/23/2004 7:05:28 AM] Splitting and compressing subtitles.
[5/23/2004 7:05:30 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,96,96,1,0);
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","English");
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.AddRange(95940,93090);
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.cd2.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 7:05:30 AM] Splitting video into: I:\Enemy_of_the_state.cd2.avi
[5/23/2004 7:06:51 AM] Splitting and compressing subtitles.
[5/23/2004 7:06:53 AM] Writing the following script to I:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,96,96,1,0);
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","English");
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.AddRange(189030,1142);
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("I:\\Enemy_of_the_state.cd3.avi");
===========================================================
[5/23/2004 7:06:53 AM] Splitting video into: I:\Enemy_of_the_state.cd3.avi
[5/23/2004 7:06:54 AM] Splitting and compressing subtitles.
[5/23/2004 7:06:54 AM] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
oh ok... well don't you think updating the gknot package to the newest software developments would be great to keep it alive??


I didn't say anything about updating. Just about developing (that is really different thing) :)


Originally posted by killingspree
edit: damit... how could i say this at all. it's almost up to date anyway! and i guess i should be able to update to the latest version of dvddecrypter, besweet, dvd2avidg and decomb by myself... sorry for bringing this up at all...


Btw, latest DVD2AVIdg has issues with R4R, so if I update it then I will have to remove R4R from the package... BeSweet and DVDDecrypter should be no big deal to update.

Originally posted by killingspree
anyway, about autoGK, are you planning on adding DTS support?! or is this too complex atm (i mean with all the requirements - gabests filters have to be installed and you need a copy of Intervideo WinDVD Platinum) - hmmm... i guess i just answered my own question there :P


Actually latest AC3filter is supposed to decode DTS - I just not sure how I'm gonna mux it...

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
Ok this movie got oversized (1,25)


How big was oversize?

[XenoDaSouljah]

Originally posted by len0x
How big was oversize?

5,322,752 bytes

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
5,322,752 bytes

before split ?

[XenoDaSouljah]

Originally posted by len0x
before split ?

before split : 1,470,844,928 bytes
cd1: 733,267,968 bytes
cd2: 732,278,784 bytes
cd3: 5,322,752 bytes

[len0x]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
before split : 1,470,844,928 bytes
cd1: 733,267,968 bytes
cd2: 732,278,784 bytes
cd3: 5,322,752 bytes

it's 2.7Mb oversize which was made worse by the split (See FAQ why). I wouldn't worry about it as you can always split it into 701/702Mb by yourself.

[XenoDaSouljah]

Originally posted by len0x
it's 2.7Mb oversize which was made worse by the split (See FAQ why). I wouldn't worry about it as you can always split it into 701/702Mb by yourself.

oh thanks Len0x, its not really a problem for me i dont watch end credits anyway :P

I thought maybe its usefull information for you in the hunt for bugs.

Great program, quality rocks :)

[Stebs]

Originally posted by len0x

Actually latest AC3filter is supposed to decode DTS - I just not sure how I'm gonna mux it...
BTW another possibility is to use Media Player Classic as it natively supports DTS decoding in newest versions (among a lot of other formats): http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/

[rantingotaku]

Originally posted by XenoDaSouljah
before split : 1,470,844,928 bytes
cd1: 733,267,968 bytes
cd2: 732,278,784 bytes
cd3: 5,322,752 bytes

with some movies, I found setting it to 1399 as size fixed it, then I'd split manually later (sometimes the 700mb mark was during a conversation)

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Stebs
BTW another possibility is to use Media Player Classic as it natively supports DTS decoding in newest versions (among a lot of other formats): http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/

thanks, but we weren't talking about muxing a dts track into the avi! this has been possible for quite a while now! But honestly do you really want to mux a 768 kbit soundtrack into your 1 Mbit movie?? don't think that makes much sense ;)

anyway, at least i myself was talking dts to mp3 transcoding - i just got the idea because i encountered a dts only DVD (no commercial DVD).

anyway, i guess that is not truly in the scope of autoGK anyway...

steVe

[Stebs]

Aah, ok I understand now... :)

Originally posted by killingspree
But honestly do you really want to mux a 768 kbit soundtrack into your 1 Mbit movie?? don't think that makes much sense ;)
steVe

Wow DTS takes 768 kbit :eek: And AC3 takes only something between 300-400 kbit if I remember correctly? And does DTS really add noticable quality at all?
I agree with you, DTS muxing then does not make a lot of sense (perhaps for freaks who take a whole DVD for 1-2 films).
But I stay with 1 CD Backups and mp3 anyway :D

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Stebs

Wow DTS takes 768 kbit :eek:
iirc 768+ :D


But I stay with 1 CD Backups and mp3 anyway :D
no chance to fit a dts track with reasonable video quality on there... ;)

steVe

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
anyway, at least i myself was talking dts to mp3 transcoding - i just got the idea because i encountered a dts only DVD (no commercial DVD).


As I haven't seen any - its safe to say that it's not common yet and in such rare cases GK can be used on them. If situation changes then I can have a look at them again. :)

[Taurus]

As I haven't seen any - (DTS)...

Well, as I'm collecting some music dvds, many of the new releases are DTS encoded.
The audio is mostly excellent, so I always take the DTS track for my rips and make a mp3 file at about 196kb (varies on video lenght).
There's a noticable difference in quality compared to the ac3 file ripped from same dvd.
But this is just for the ones who can hear the grass grow...:D :D
Anyway, keeping the ac3 file is next to being perfect, so to use mp3 is mostly a decision for higher video bitrate.
DTS -> MP3 is simple if you put all needed stuff together.
But I remember what a hazzle it was not so long ago....

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus

Well, as I'm collecting some music dvds, many of the new releases are DTS encoded.


Are you saying that they don't have AC3 tracks in them?

[Taurus]

Are you saying that they don't have AC3 tracks in them?

Oops, my last post was a little misleading.
Sure, there are always ac3 tracks, as usual.
What I was trying to say, the DTS tracks are mostly the better sounding ones, so I take them if I encode to mp3. Better source, better final solution, better sound (on mp3).
At normal videos I wouldn't care too much about it.
Next time I will be more careful with my words..
English is not my native language, so please forgive me.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
What I was trying to say, the DTS tracks are mostly the better sounding ones, so I take them if I encode to mp3. Better source, better final solution, better sound (on mp3).


That is debatable imho. I have no doubts that DTS itself may sound better than AC3, but the ratio of compression to MP3 is soo high, that I don't think you'll be able to tell the difference from resulting MP3 (although I personally did not do any listening tests).

[Taurus]

That is debatable imho

Well, I did some careful listening tests before I decided to take the DTS tracks to encode -> mp3.
The main reason is, that sometimes the DTS tracks are mastered different then the ac3, more dynamics, more transparency.
But anyway, I'm still satisfied with ac3 muxing in AutoGk.
'caus this is what most people will stick to if they want good quality.
And I wasn't the one, who wished DTS to be implanted ;)

Have a nice day

Taurus

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
That is debatable imho. I have no doubts that DTS itself may sound better than AC3, but the ratio of compression to MP3 is soo high, that I don't think you'll be able to tell the difference from resulting MP3 (although I personally did not do any listening tests). actually i'd say that one should always use the best available source but if dts decoding is quite an act to implement it wouldn't really make sense to do that for transcoding to mp3. but that brings me to a point: what about aac? dts multichannel to aac multichannel should be worth it, same should apply for ac3 sources.. but i guess, standalones won't do aac at this point, or?

[NMachiavelli]

It has happened twice now, that AGK gets through a couple items on my job queue, and I notice that it hangs at the "Demuxing and Indexing" step.

I couldn't find a log, but this seems to be the pertinent info from the log window:

[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Job finished.
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] AutoGK 1.25
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Job started.
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Input dir: E:\****
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Output file: E:\****\******.avi
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Audio: English
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Subtitles: none
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Codec: XviD
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Target quality: 80%
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Started encoding.
[5/27/2004 4:31:49 PM] Demuxing and indexing.

That was 2 1/2 hours ago, and nothing else has happened. The DVD2AVI window is open, but doesn't appear to be doing anything.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

[ydobon]

Hello,

Originally posted by NMachiavelli
It has happened twice now, that AGK gets through a couple items on my job queue, and I notice that it hangs at the "Demuxing and Indexing" step.

The same happened to me last night: Two jobs, same movie, first one perfect, second one did nothing. DVD2AVI was open but there was no d2v file in the temp directory.

There is a log for the second job but it ends with the "Demuxing and Indexing" line NMachiavelli reports.

EDIT: It could be relevant that both AVIs were supposed to be created in the same directory (hence having the same temp dir).


Regards

[Taurus]

Originally posted by ydobon

The same happened to me last night
EDIT: It could be relevant that both AVIs were supposed to be created in the same directory (hence having the same temp dir).

Always create a new folder for a new rip. Normally DVDDecrypter creates one too.If you want to use same files in a queue, you have to copy them to a renamed empty folder of your choice first.
And make sure you're using DVDDecrypter in ifo mode with ''Include PGC and Angle number checked in settings -> Ifo mode''.
But please post your results, caus there's a new version of DVD2AVI(not the latest)used in AutoGk.

@NMachiavelli
Why is the DVD2AVI window open during indexing and demuxing?
Normally it's runnning in silent mode, just the switch in the taskbar is showing it's running. Did you fiddle around with the settings?
By the way, did you try to start DVD2AVI manually on it's screen?
Would be interesting to know what's happening.
How to do this can be read in the AutoGK Faqs.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Actually I have the same problems every once in a while (once a month may be) when DVD2AVI failes to actually open input files (if you try pressing F5 you'll see they are not loaded). Just requeing the same job solves the problem.

[ydobon]

Hello again.

@Taurus:
The movie was the same. I wanted two versions (1 CD & 1 DVD-R) of the same movie. And DVDDecrypter has that configuration. You mean I need two copies of the VOBs in different places?

@Len0x:
Curious: I pressed F5 in DVD2AVI and the movie was there. Maybe from the first time (remember it was two encodes of the same movie)


Cheers

[NMachiavelli]

Originally posted by len0x
Actually I have the same problems every once in a while (once a month may be) when DVD2AVI failes to actually open input files (if you try pressing F5 you'll see they are not loaded). Just requeing the same job solves the problem.

Would it be at all easy to put in a "requeue" button, in addition to the abort button? Just curious. Oh, and I'm getting this problem once ever 4 or 5 jobs, not just once a month. :)

Thanks.

[Taurus]

Re: DVD2AVI weirdness

Did some excessive testing on the mentioned behaviour.
What I did: Ripped a small part, about 100Mb with DVDDecrypter.
Tried this one with different settings(Video bitrate,resolution,mp3,ac3,etc.)on 8 queues.
All to the same folder, sure with different filenames for the avi.
And guess what? Everything worked out fine.
So this is strange.
Are you sure you use DVD2AVIdg provided with the AutoGk installer?
Never had this problem, only on older betas of DVD2AVIdg.

Cheers

Taurus

edit: @ydobon

Curious: I pressed F5 in DVD2AVI
If the preview (F5) worked, did you try to save the *.d2v file (F4)?

[ydobon]

Originally posted by Taurus
Are you sure you use DVD2AVIdg provided with the AutoGk installer?
Never had this problem, only on older betas of DVD2AVIdg.

Yep. Clean install. Uninstalled everything related when 1.25 came out before installing it.

[NMachiavelli]

My AVIs are always for different directories.

I have no idea why the DVD2AVI window is open, but it is in the background behind my AGK screen.

I haven't tried to start DVD2AVI manually, I'll check it out when I get home.

Yes, everything was from the AGK1.25 installer.

Thanks

[Taurus]

Yep. Clean install. Uninstalled everything related when 1.25 came out before installing it.

@ydobon
So now I give up...
Did some more testing while typing this, alway good results.
Maybe another person might help you.
Good luck.

Cheers

Taurus

[Salvatore]

Hi len0x,

thanks for this great tool.
but I miss one or two features (it should be understood as a help not as a give-me-give-me request;-) :

- a *.wmv,*.mov, *.mpg/*.mpeg, Matroska, XCD, Ogm INPUT support will be great, to create easy stand alone able content out of recent created files. Further in this case it will be usefull when you put a merge option on the mentioned file formats.

- manuel crop.

- next to the video info a duration (length) of the video output (source infomation bar).

- by the infomation and help section a implemented help/tutorial (sure you've to often update it because of adding new features to the application, its only for the road map).

- option to save jobs (I sometimes lose my batch list because of a pc crash)

thx
thats all
cu Salvatore

ps: i know that some points are requested earlier, but I forgot which ;-)

[len0x]

As you see I stopped doing a beta every two days since we have a stable version now, but this doesn't mean nothing is being developed in AutoGK. In fact I have already list of 10 items in the history for 1.30 beta and probably a couple of other things will be done before it gets released.

Major change is that AutoGK is no longer able to parse IFO files, so every single ripping method apart from IFO mode of DVDDecrypter will no longer work. I'm very tired of supporting this feature and it was not intended to work in the first place. As a compensation there is already working support for direct opening of MPEG2 files (VOB/M2V/MPG). As soon as I learn more about transport streams - they should be supported as well (coz DGMPGDec supports them).

I will probably not gonna go through with autosize feature yet. I had some thoughts and there is too much variables to decide optimal strategy for FitCD-like algorithm (audio type, resizer, matrix, number of CDs and resolution). Although we can discuss this here.

[Carraway]

Question: is the config file going to be in 1.30 or is that feature still a ways off?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
Question: is the config file going to be in 1.30 or is that feature still a ways off?

It's not ways off, but its not gonna be in 1.30. Next beta will have almost everything I wanna put into next stable release, so it all comes down to how fast its gonna be stabilized. After that I have plans for only two big features:

- config file
- DV input support (via dshow, so more thing are gonna be suppored here)

Second feature will require quite of bit of time, so config file will come first. I'll start another thread about it soon. Althouh I have some doubts that is is a good idea since everyone will jump in with suggstions (more like requirements) and it'll be difficult for me to justify why I'm putting one parameter in, but not another. But I am determined to put in only vital options first.

[Nikse555]

As a compensation there is already working support for direct opening of MPEG2 files (VOB/M2V/MPG).

Thx, that sounds great!
It will definitively be usefull feature for many (and away goes the last reason for me to use DrDivx).

[len0x]

I was in a brainstorming mood and came with solution for that weird DVD2AVI launch problem. Two options:

- have a timeout(30-60min) after which job is aborted on indexing stage and next job is executed
- have the same timeout and try to re-launch DVD2AVI if that usually fixes a problem.

Second option is more difficult and if there is a real problem wastes twice as much time, so I'm more into first option. What do you think?

[ydobon]

What about an intermediate option?

- After the timeout move the job to the bottom of the queue (instead of aborting it) and execute next job.

Or instead of using such long timeout, how about basing the decision on the existence of some file after a shorter (5min?) timeout.


Regards

[NMachiavelli]

Originally posted by len0x
have the same timeout and try to re-launch DVD2AVI if that usually fixes a problem.

Is there a way for me to try this manually to see if it fixes the problem? Every time I close the DVD2AVI window manually, the job aborts.

[Taurus]

I was in a brainstorming mood ;) :D

Nice idea.
I prefer version 1, but 30 minutes should be enough.
Never had DVD2AVIdg running as long as that for indexing and all audio streams demuxing, on a mainstream pc (AMD 2600 XP).
But we should take care on slower machines, so setting the timegate higher is maybe favourable.
Anyway, this doesn't solve the problem a few members mentioned, but at least they get their queues finished, even there is one rip missing after that.
Go on.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
- After the timeout move the job to the bottom of the queue (instead of aborting it) and execute next job.


this is very difficult to do since
- currently job manager doesn't know what caused abortion
- we might get infinite loop on the last item :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus

Anyway, this doesn't solve the problem a few members mentioned, but at least they get their queues finished, even there is one rip missing after that.


true, and the best thing is - it costed me three lines of code :)
Time out will be 30 min for a start. (and there will be a clear indication that it was aborted due to timeout)

[ydobon]

Hi, again.

Originally posted by len0x
- currently job manager doesn't know what caused abortion

It only happened me once, but I seem to remember that DVD2AVI was open but no *.d2v file was created. Wouldn't that be clue enough?

Originally posted by len0x
- we might get infinite loop on the last item :)

Ooops. True. Mmmm... you could always mark the job as "already moved to the bottom" and abort it the second time.

Just brainstorming here :)


Regards.


P.S. I've noticed that AutoGK resets the audio track and subtitle track when I select a source dir. Would it be difficult to maintain the selection if such tracks exist? I think it would be extremely useful when recoding TV episodes...

[len0x]

Please reply then :)

[btothec2]

I always seem to get ahead of myself. I did 2 encodes last night. One was with subtitles and the other was not. The one with subtitles I encoded with cartoon mode. I came in and checked them both and they looked good so I deleted all the temp files and unfortunatly all the logs. After I looked a little more closely I realized that the subtitles from the first encode were also on the second movie. I do not know if I would be able to tell you anything else to help you out with this, but both of these movies were on different physical drives and had completly different names. let me know if there is anything else that I can give you to help you out, and if this is a known problem, I havent heard about it.

Thanks
B

Actually I just realized that I have the log from the first movie, but I bet the one you need is the second encode.

[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] AutoGK 1.25
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Job started.
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Input dir: J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Output file: J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\moviename.avi
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Audio: Japanese
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Subtitles: English
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Codec: XviD
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Target size: 700Mb
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 192Kbps
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Started encoding.
[6/1/2004 5:27:33 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[6/1/2004 5:31:00 PM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[6/1/2004 5:31:01 PM] Found 132097 frames
[6/1/2004 5:31:01 PM] Encoding audio.
[6/1/2004 5:52:37 PM] Indexing subtitles.
[6/1/2004 5:52:37 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\vobsub.params
===========================================================
J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.ifo
J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename
1
0
0 cc
CLOSE
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] WinRAR is not found. Switching to internal subtitles.
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Using cartoon mode.
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Audio size: 134,784,008 bytes (128.54 Mb)
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Overhead: 5,283,840 bytes (5.04 Mb)
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Video size: 593,935,352 bytes (566.42 Mb)
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Running compressibility test.
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

function getOrder(clip c) {
order = GetParity(c) ? 1 : 0
return order }

movie = mpeg2source("J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=35)
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / 1.21518987341772)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
fixed_aspect = 1.21518987341772
flag_halfdvd = input_par > 1.0 ? 0 : 1
input_par = input_par > 1.0 ? input_par : input_par * 2
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
new_aspect = flag_halfdvd > 0 ? new_aspect/2.0 : new_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=35)
Undot()
VobSub("J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename.idx")
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 5:56:14 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\gk_tmp\\moviename_comptest.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\gk_tmp\\moviename_comptest.avi");
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Duration was: 4 minutes 25 seconds
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Speed was: 24.85 fps.
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 79.15
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Chosen resolution is: 640x352 ( AR: 1.82 )
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 79.15
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Running first pass.
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

function getOrder(clip c) {
order = GetParity(c) ? 1 : 0
return order }

movie = mpeg2source("J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=35)
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / 1.21518987341772)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
fixed_aspect = 1.21518987341772
flag_halfdvd = input_par > 1.0 ? 0 : 1
input_par = input_par > 1.0 ? input_par : input_par * 2
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
new_aspect = flag_halfdvd > 0 ? new_aspect/2.0 : new_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=35)
Undot()
VobSub("J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\moviename.idx")
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 6:00:40 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\gk_tmp\\moviename_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\moviename.avi");
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 6:55:02 PM] Duration was: 54 minutes 21 seconds
[6/1/2004 6:55:02 PM] Speed was: 40.50 fps.
[6/1/2004 6:55:03 PM] Expected quality of first pass size: 80.09
[6/1/2004 6:55:03 PM] Running second pass.
[6/1/2004 6:55:03 PM] Writing the following script to J:\BHP_TGF\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\gk_tmp\\moviename_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\gk_tmp\\moviename AC3 T01 3_2ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","Japanese");
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("J:\\BHP_TGF\\VIDEO_TS\\moviename.avi");
===========================================================
[6/1/2004 8:56:35 PM] Duration was: 2 hours 1 minute, 31 seconds
[6/1/2004 8:56:35 PM] Speed was: 18.12 fps.
[6/1/2004 8:56:35 PM] Job finished.

[ydobon]

Originally posted by len0x
is anyone here using AutoGK with captures?

What do you mean "with captures"? Isn't a IFO-mode rip the only possible input for AutoGK?

:?

[Hobojobo]

I use AutoGK for my dvb captures ( with a sat-receiver card). So, for me, a mpeg2-input feature would be great.

:)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hobojobo
I use AutoGK for my dvb captures ( with a sat-receiver card). So, for me, a mpeg2-input feature would be great.


Can you describe the source please? (resolution,AR,framerate,i/p,type of audio)

[Hobojobo]

Originally posted by len0x
Can you describe the source please? (resolution,AR,framerate,i/p,type of audio)

resolution: 720x576
AR: 4:3, 25 fps, mostly interlaced,sometimes progressive
audio: mpeg1 layer 1

[pindawg]

Hopefully someone out there can point me in the right direction, i've searched the forum with little luck. Here is the situation; I currently use AutoGK 1.25 to encode my dvd rips. Playback is thru Xbox Media Center which uses Mplayer. Mplayer was using FFMPEG to decode XVID avi's but recently switched to XVID 1.0. My problem is now that it's using 1.0, I get tons of dropped frames which results in very choppy playback, especially during fast action scenes.
I would think that this would be an Mplayer issue, but I have other XVID avi's that I didn't encode with AutoGK that play fine. Unfortuantely I can't recall what ver I used for them.
I'm using AutoGK ver 1.25. I always encode Target Quality %85, with ac3 track. Thats it. Can someone point me in the right direction to what would cause dropped frames on playback.

Thanks!!

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hobojobo
resolution: 720x576
AR: 4:3, 25 fps, mostly interlaced,sometimes progressive
audio: mpeg1 layer 1

Well, almost like DVD then. Can you produce 50 fps sources or sources with higher resolution ?

[len0x]

I have not announced it yet coz its really more of an alpha (since I changed quite a lot), but you can grab it here:

http://len0x.btothec.com/AutoGordianKnot.1.30.beta.Update.exe

Change log (bigger than ever):

- DUE TO MISUSE OF AUTOGK WITH UNSUPPORTED RIPPING TOOLS, IT'S NO LONGER ABLE TO PARSE IFO FILES, SO ONLY DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE CAN BE USED FROM NOW ON
- AutoGK works now with DGMPGDec 1.0.9
- removed test for alternative field order for PAL sources
- video type and AR is taken from D2V file now
- added support for direct opening of MPEG2 files (VOB/M2V/MPG/MPEG). Enabled by CTRL-F12
- fixed problem of cutting off last few seconds of video during splitting
- installer fixes AVI file association to prevent "Error opening AVI" after comp test
- added option to rip all subtitle streams (only when using external subs)
- message "WinRar is not found" is no longer displayed when internal subs are used
- improved parsing of stream info file
- comp test limit is reduced to 65% for XviD 1.0 (resulting in higher resolution output)
- added more debug info into logs
- indexing/demuxing step has now timeout of 30 min after which job will be aborted to allow the queue to proceed
- subtitle splitting step has now timeout of 5 min after which job will proceed anyway
- bitrate for mono encoding is now always half of the bitrate set on advanced options window
- resizing algorithm chnaged heavily to accomodate upcoming support for different input sources (ITU standard is no longer applied)
- field order, aspect ratio and resolution is now taken during encoding from D2V file
- possible width is increased to 1920
- max quality and target quality modes are using source input width and not predefined width of 720/704

If there are some thing that are not working for DVD sources please reply asap. For file mode it is expected to have some problems as I'm working on that as well as on proper HDTV support.

[Taurus]

@lenOx
I'm really impressed.
What a todo list :cool:!
I think it's great that you cut out ifo parsing, coz most of the so called bugs were because of this. :rolleyes:
I'm experimenting with DGMPGDec* from the day it was available.
On standard rips it works ok for me. Haven't had the chance to try it on more exotic stuff.
So it's now for the beta(alpha)testers to find out.
Happy testing!

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus

So it's now for the beta(alpha)testers to find out.


If no serious bugs reported withing a day - I'll announce it publicly.
(well I have pretty high standard even for alphas/betas :) )

[Mc|Atm0s]

Mc|Atm0s beta-tester here!

"WinRar is not found" in AutoGK 1.30b seems NOT TO BE SOLVED!


[03/06/2004 15.25.17] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 75,65
[03/06/2004 15.25.17] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[03/06/2004 15.25.17] Found 33151 frames
[03/06/2004 15.25.17] Encoding audio.
[03/06/2004 15.30.31] Indexing subtitles.
[03/06/2004 15.30.31] Writing the following script to D:\Video\Films\XXXXXXXX\The making of\gk_tmp\vobsub.params
===========================================================
D:\Video\Films\XXXXXXXX\The making of\VTS_02_0.ifo
D:\Video\Films\XXXXXXXX\The making of\gk_tmp\Making of
1
0
0 cc
CLOSE
===========================================================
[03/06/2004 15.30.55] Running single pass encoding.



The "WinRAR is not found" doesn't appear, but the subtitles in the final .avi doesn't appear too!

What kind of player I must use? I prefer WMP 9, Media Player Classic, PowerDVD...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
The "WinRAR is not found" doesn't appear, but the subtitles in the final .avi doesn't appear too!


WinRar is not needed for internal subs, so its unrelated. Do you have any subs entries in the *.idx file (in the end)? Make sure you didn't tick forced subs only options...

[Taurus]

@Mc|Atm0s What kind of player I must use? I prefer WMP 9, Media Player Classic, PowerDVD...

I assume Gabest's VobSub 2.23 is installed correctly.
In Media Player Classic just right click in the movie.
In the filter section choose DirectVobSub.
Make sure there is a mark at 'Show Subtitles'.
Go to 'Properties' and tick 'Load when needed'.
Mark the others to your desires.
I've just made some more tests on Beta 1.3.
Everything works ok.
Are there any *.sub, *.idx, or *.rar files in your rip folder?
If not, please report back.

Cheers

Taurus

[QNX]

len0x

i can't download
Forbidden You don't have permission to access /AutoGordianKnot.1.30.beta.Update.exe on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at len0x.btothec.com Port 80

:confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX

i can't download


Don't use download managers/firewalls as usual (or set them up properly). C'mon ppl - it's been answered many times before.

[Mc|Atm0s]

Taurus,


in Media Player Classic (6.4.8.2) I don't have DirectVobSub as filter...I've tried to load it from the option (C:\Windows\system32\dvobsub.ax ? ) but it doesn't appear in the filter section

In the .vob rip folder I don't have files .idx, .sub. and .rar

The stream information created with DVD Decrypter says:

0x20 - Subtitle - Italiano / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 01: Normal] / LBA: 4198 / PTS: 00:00:15.687 / Delay: 15320ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 23 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: -80ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 4:3 / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.367 / Delay: 0ms





...There is no any subs entries in the gk_tmp\Making of.idx

# VobSub index file, v7 (do not modify this line!)
#
# To repair desyncronization, you can insert gaps this way:
# (it usually happens after vob id changes)
#
# delay: [sign]hh:mm:ss:ms
#
# Where:
# [sign]: +, - (optional)
# hh: hours (0 <= hh)
# mm/ss: minutes/seconds (0 <= mm/ss <= 59)
# ms: milliseconds (0 <= ms <= 999)
#
# Note: You can't position a sub before the previous with a negative value.
#
# You can also modify timestamps or delete a few subs you don't like.
# Just make sure they stay in increasing order.


# Settings

# Original frame size
size: 720x480

# Origin, relative to the upper-left corner, can be overloaded by aligment
org: 0, 0

# Image scaling (hor,ver), origin is at the upper-left corner or at the alignment coord (x, y)
scale: 100%, 100%

# Alpha blending
alpha: 100%

# Smoothing for very blocky images (use OLD for no filtering)
smooth: OFF

# In millisecs
fadein/out: 50, 50

# Force subtitle placement relative to (org.x, org.y)
align: OFF at LEFT TOP

# For correcting non-progressive desync. (in millisecs or hh:mm:ss:ms)
# Note: Not effective in DirectVobSub, use "delay: ... " instead.
time offset: 0

# ON: displays only forced subtitles, OFF: shows everything
forced subs: OFF

# The original palette of the DVD
palette: fdfdfd, e83f07, 1f1f1f, fdfdfd, 11eb10, 000000, bc3306, fdfdfd, 36c381, bae647, 701f03, 077307, 00006c, cc0ae9, d2ab0f, 730972

# Custom colors (transp idxs and the four colors)
custom colors: OFF, tridx: 0000, colors: 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000

# Language index in use
langidx: 841889073

# Italiano
id: it, index: 0
# Decomment next line to activate alternative name in DirectVobSub / Windows Media Player 6.x
# alt: Italiano
# Vob/Cell ID: 1, 1 (PTS: 0)
timestamp: 00:00:15:320, filepos: 000000000
timestamp: 00:00:20:640, filepos: 000001000
timestamp: 00:00:24:720, filepos: 000002000
timestamp: 00:00:35:480, filepos: 000003000
timestamp: 00:00:50:880, filepos: 000004000
timestamp: 00:00:56:520, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:00:59:880, filepos: 000006800
timestamp: 00:01:03:680, filepos: 000008000
timestamp: 00:01:06:360, filepos: 000009000
timestamp: 00:01:15:880, filepos: 00000a000
timestamp: 00:01:18:240, filepos: 00000b000
timestamp: 00:01:22:560, filepos: 00000c800
timestamp: 00:01:27:800, filepos: 00000e000
timestamp: 00:01:30:080, filepos: 00000f000
timestamp: 00:01:33:280, filepos: 000010000
timestamp: 00:01:37:200, filepos: 000011000
timestamp: 00:01:40:480, filepos: 000012000
timestamp: 00:01:43:040, filepos: 000013000
timestamp: 00:01:49:240, filepos: 000014800
timestamp: 00:01:51:600, filepos: 000015800
timestamp: 00:01:55:920, filepos: 000017000
timestamp: 00:01:59:960, filepos: 000018000
timestamp: 00:02:05:480, filepos: 000019800
timestamp: 00:02:09:960, filepos: 00001b000
timestamp: 00:02:14:160, filepos: 00001c000
timestamp: 00:02:17:320, filepos: 00001d000
etc...
etc...
etc...

[Taurus]

@ Mc|Atm0s
I assume you are using WinXP.
To get access to the VobSub settings dialog you can go there by either : Start ->Programs ->Vobsub ->DirectVobSub Configure.
Or browse to the folder which contains your Vobsub Files, normally C:\Programs\Gabest\Vobsub\DirectVobSub Configure and open it from there.
To make it clear, the files I mentioned in my former post should be in *\gk_temp.
And as I can see, they are there.
So this should be an incorrect assignment of the player.
And keep your hands of from WMP9 :mad: It's a resource hog.

Hope this will help

Taurus

Edit: @ Mc|Atm0s Sorry, my mistake. Sure it's *\gk_tmp.

[SonGokuDBZ]

@ Lenox:
Just a small thing, when encodíng a single file, the log says "Input dir: ...". I think the log should display the source file!

And one more question: to test the single file mode I encoded the .vob-file from the last ifo-rip. Audio was LPCM and normally no problem. When encoding only the .vob-file, after audio-encoding autogk says "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found. Encoding aborted."
Is that normal???

Thanks, this program is great!!!

[len0x]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ

Just a small thing, when encodíng a single file, the log says "Input dir: ...". I think the log should display the source file!


indeed it should

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ

And one more question: to test the single file mode I encoded the .vob-file from the last ifo-rip. Audio was LPCM and normally no problem. When encoding only the .vob-file, after audio-encoding autogk says "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found. Encoding aborted."
Is that normal???


When dealing with VOBs you better off using DVD mode as AutoGK cannot know what type of audio is there. Usually it gets demuxed ok, but in case of LPCM is has to be decoded, which result in different command line to DGMPGDec...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
There is no any subs entries in the gk_tmp\Making of.idx


Actaully there are and as they were internal I suppose, and should have been burnt in...

[PanthraxBW]

Hey, I'm trying to encode several episodes of an animated show. After the rip the .VOBs come out at around 980 megs, and I'm trying to get them down around 233 megs to fit 3 per CD. However, they're all coming out around 140. Is this typical? The video does seem to be a little blockier than I'd like, and I figure the extra 100 megs would probably help. Any advice on this? Thanks.

Oh, and AutoGK rocks. Thanks for putting so much time into it.

[cork]

Hi all, and of course many thanks to len0x for his continued work !

I'm trying the new mpeg2 support (ctrl+f12) to reencode some old animes. Didn't work fine though :
- AutoGK didn't recognize any audio
- Avisynth open failure:
MPEG2Source: couldn't open file
(D:\public\test\gk_temp\_.avs, line 8)

Full log :
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] AutoGK 1.30b
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] Job started.
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] Input dir: D:\public\test
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] Output file: D:\public\test\test.avi
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] Audio: Unknown Audio
[05/06/2004 10:23:36] Subtitles: none
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Codec: XviD
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Target quality: 100%
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Started encoding.
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Demuxing and indexing.
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Analyzing source.
[05/06/2004 10:23:37] Writing the following script to D:\public\test\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("D:\\public\\test\\gk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\public\\test\\gk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "D:\public\test\gk_tmp\interlace.log". Le fichier spécifié est introuvable
*************************************
[05/06/2004 10:27:12] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by cork
I'm trying the new mpeg2 support (ctrl+f12) to reencode some old animes. Didn't work fine though :
- AutoGK didn't recognize any audio


please always state clearly what kind of sources you're trying to convert(type of the file with extension, audio type, fps, resolution, AR).

[Taurus]

@PanthraxBW

Are you sure, you made a mark at 'custom size' in AutoGk?
What audio, which resolution?
Please post your log file next time.
Otherwise we are only into guessing what's happening.

Cheers

Taurus

[Black0ut]

@len0x

can you add an option (maybe another hidden option) to force b-frames. on my encodes autogk usally switches them off but i would really like to have them, because for me even at high bitrates they make the movie look better.

edit: i am using xvid

[Nikse555]

If possible, how can I disable crop, so subtitles from TV are not cut in half (mpg to xvid avi with 1.30b)?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Black0ut
i would really like to have them, because for me even at high bitrates they make the movie look better.


this does not make any sense since by definition B-frames have much less bits in them then P-frames, so whatever you imagine looks better - actaully not (please do some search on the topic)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Nikse555
If possible, how can I disable crop, so subtitles from TV are not cut in half (mpg to xvid avi with 1.30b)?

well, we have to do something about this, but I'm not sure disabling cropping is the best way to go. You seem to have black bars on top and bottom, right? Subs are only in the bottom space, so top one can be still eliminated. So can you open avs file in VDubMod and try playing with threshold parameter of autocrop to see if you can find the value which doesn't cut off the subs. Tell me then.

[PanthraxBW]

@Taurus

Yes, in fact I did 2 runs, one at 1/3 CD and one specifying 233 megs. Both came out the same size, 142 megs. I used default settings, Auto width, Xvid, Auto audio, no subs.

Please see the log here (http://www.panthrax.com/gklog.log)

Thanks for your help.

[len0x]

Originally posted by PanthraxBW

Yes, in fact I did 2 runs, one at 1/3 CD and one specifying 233 megs. Both came out the same size, 142 megs. I used default settings, Auto width, Xvid, Auto audio, no subs.


how hard is to :readfaq: Q 6.3 !

[Schrade]

Originally posted by len0x
Don't use download managers/firewalls as usual (or set them up properly). C'mon ppl - it's been answered many times before.

len0x, just to let you know... saying what you said above is sort of misleading and is probably why so many people still post with that problem.

You might want to start saying 'Make sure your Web Browser can send the REFERER field.' or something similar. Otherwise the download managers/firewalls thing leads you on a wild goosechase.

I had problems downloading until I finally figured it out that TabBrowserExtensions installed with Mozilla Firefox was turning the Send Referer field off. I installed the PrefButtons plugin and put a 'Send Referer' checkbox on my browser whenever I need to download files on sites that check for that.

[Taurus]

@lenOx
I admire your patience on this wrong xvid installs thing.
Should have come to my mind after so many inqires on bad file sizes.
Anyway, your experience is awesome.
Thanks!

@PanthraxBW
The powerunite on my video pc has just crashed yesterday with smoke and lightning. The only difference in your settings I can recall from my memory is, I have the Mod32 fix mark ticked.
And you don't have to put VobSub in 'Overrides' on MPC.
If there are any subtitles in a movie, they are shown.
On burned in subtitles you will not see the filter dialog,
only on external subtitles there will be a green arrow icon in your systray, indicating that Vobsub is working.
So for the next days, I can't help until the Powerunite is repaired
(living up in the country).
Try and experiment on your own.

Cheers

Taurus

[Mc|Atm0s]

AutoGK supports XviD 1.0 Jawor's CVS Build?

Jawor's XviD builds: http://jawormat.republika.pl/

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
AutoGK supports XviD 1.0 Jawor's CVS Build?


I wouldn't know as I haven't tried. In any case if you're looking for bugfixes to 1.0, then almost all of them do not affect settings AutoGK is using anyway or is any other reason for using Jawor's builds ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Schrade
len0x, just to let you know... saying what you said above is sort of misleading and is probably why so many people still post with that problem.

You might want to start saying 'Make sure your Web Browser can send the REFERER field.' or something similar. Otherwise the download managers/firewalls thing leads you on a wild goosechase.

I had problems downloading until I finally figured it out that TabBrowserExtensions installed with Mozilla Firefox was turning the Send Referer field off. I installed the PrefButtons plugin and put a 'Send Referer' checkbox on my browser whenever I need to download files on sites that check for that.

you probably right, but since I have never used browsers/firewalls which block referrers - I could not describe this better.

[PanthraxBW]

Originally posted by len0x
how hard is to :readfaq: Q 6.3 !


That was it. However, I did take a quick look through the FAQ, and didn't realize that not uninstalling Xvid was problematic. You might want to change Q6.3 or add a generic line that says "I'm getting wierd file sizes". I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this problem, looked at the FAQ, and still didn't know how to fix the problem. Otherwise, thanks for pointing that out.

[Nikse555]

...try playing with threshold parameter of autocrop to see if you can find the value which doesn't cut off the subs

I do not know much about this and have only tried one mpg file, but this is the result for me:

20=Cuts a little bit off
18=Cuts a little bit off
17=OK
16=OK
15=OK
14=Show both top + buttom
10=Show both top + buttom

So, I guess 16 is good for me - but probably not for all!

"samples=5" is most likely too low a value for clips with subs.

Perhaps no crop (can top crop be done alone?) is the best solution?

[SonGokuDBZ]

@ Lenox:
Have you ever thoght of doing a second first pass when the expected quality of first pass size is far away from the predicted comptest value?
I'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!

Thanks anyway

[len0x]

Originally posted by Nikse555
Perhaps no crop (can top crop be done alone?) is the best solution?

No, the best solution would be to allow override of samples and threshold parameter via hidden option file (which I plan to do for the next version).

[len0x]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
[BI'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!
[/B]

On a short sources 5% can be not enough for comp test. But I'm curious to see how big difference is? (Recently I found a bug which prevented soft matrix to be used when in fact it was shown in the logs, so it could be you just ran across this problem).

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
I'm asking, because I encoded some short music videos and the compressibility test was very inaccurately!i also thought about that before. if the full first pass indicates a compression value that would actually change the resolution if it had come out in the comp. test, it would make sense to run another first pass at that resolution. personally i would rather run that pass again then loose quality.

[bwalerud]

The following "feature" has bugged me for some time:
When running AutoGK with 1.4GB custom size I get what I ask for but also a "two-cd-split" automatically. Is this intentional? If you want the split files you can choose the "predefined 2 CD option" instead.
Thanks for a great program!

[len0x]

Originally posted by bwalerud
When running AutoGK with 1.4GB custom size I get what I ask for but also a "two-cd-split" automatically. Is this intentional? If you want the split files you can choose the "predefined 2 CD option" instead.


There is no difference between 2CD and 1400Mb custom size in terms of physical value of the size, so its impossible to distinguish those cases. Just select 1401 or 1399Mb in order to not split the output.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
if the full first pass indicates a compression value that would actually change the resolution if it had come out in the comp. test, it would make sense to run another first pass at that resolution. personally i would rather run that pass again then loose quality.

its tricky to define the deviation. upto 5% is very common and will result in lots of rerun of the first pass without actual need.

[len0x]

I've re-written resolution choosing algorithm completely, so please give it a good testing. Also TS support if finally officially there.

[SonGokuDBZ]

@ Lenox Originally posted by Lenox:
its tricky to define the deviation. upto 5% is very common and will result in lots of rerun of the first pass without actual need.
I don't know much about programming, but I think i would't be so difficult to change the resolution and do another first pass when the expected quality of first pass size is below 40 or above 80. There are only a few cases in which this could happen and so there aren't many unnessasary first passes!!!
I believe the gain of quality is worth doing a second pass in extreme situations (e.g. i encoded a 2 minutes video clip, comptest: ca. 60, expected quality of first pass size: ca. 90)

after all, it's your decision and of course, there's standard GK
(sorry for my english, fucking german school-system!):cool:

[Smiff]

sorry, i've cut my arse of a post to this:

when using Hidden Options, should the .credits file be in the root movie rip folder or the VIDEO_TS folder? sorry i didn't find the instructions clear so put it in both :p i set quality compression to 40% and filled in the frame number using the calc provided, but just looking at the bitrate in ffdshow it seems to have dropped only from about 850 to 650 kbps.. this isn't enough is it? what could i have done wrong? (my .credits looks like this: 148625/40/TRUE). thanks!

[Stebs]

Regarding DVB-S content input:
After recording something with DVB-S, most people want to "clean" the file using ProjectX and then cut it with Mpeg2Schnitt (Guide is on Doom9).
After this, you have a .m2v file with the video and one .mp2 file (has exactly same name) with the audio.

Now, AutoGK (1.35b)takes the m2v for input but aborts saying "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.", so it does not take the mp2-file for audio-input?

Am I missing something? What program can mux mp2 and m2v? VDubMod does only mux to avi etc. ...

[Taurus]

@Stebs

Try renaming the *.mp2-file to *.mpa.
Edit:Or use TMPGEnc to mux the files (File ->MPEG Tools-> Mulitplex or Simple Multiplex)

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Stebs
Now, AutoGK (1.35b)takes the m2v for input but aborts saying "EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.", so it does not take the mp2-file for audio-input?


Option for muxing external audio is not available in AutoGK (not sure yet if it will be or not). Its one-to-one tool which requires to have audio and video in the input source already.

[Stebs]

@ Taurus: "Try renaming the *.mp2-file to *.mpa.",
Well does not work either (see also Lenox's reply)

@ Lenox: "Its one-to-one tool which requires to have audio and video in the input source already"
Sure, and it´s great at what it does!
Would just be handy when sometime in future it could also handle edited (cut out commercials from TV-Shows) DVB-S Streams...

Or is there another possibility right now to edit (cut) DVB-S Streams and still use AutoGK? eg. a program that can mux mp2 and m2v, a mpeg2 Cutter that doesnt need to demux etc. ...?

Edit:
@ Taurus: Ah, thanks, just saw your edit :-)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Stebs
Would just be handy when sometime in future it could also handle edited (cut out commercials from TV-Shows) DVB-S Streams...


I guess in the future I could search for the audio file in the input directory and use it if after demuxing audio is not found. But this may lead to serious synch problems as DGMPGDec usually demuxes stuff like none of the other tools (with respect to audio delays). And if I allow to specify delay etc then we back to not 1-click tool...

[Stebs]

Originally posted by len0x
But this may lead to serious synch problems...
Hmmm, ok I see...

Thanks to TMPGEnc (and Taurus) everything worked now :)
Perhaps you could update FAQ 5.4 for DVB-S (mpeg2) Users?:

DVB-S Stream or other mpeg2 source that needs to be edited first -> ProjectX (demux + "clean") -> Mpeg2Schnitt (cutting) -> TMPGEnc (remuxing) -> AutoGK (encoding)
Tip: In ProjectX, check " create *.idd Projectfile on demux" on the "extern" Tab

[QNX]

hi

i have DVDR in iso format and usually ripping them with AutoGK on the fly... mounting them as virtual DVD

but now
- DUE TO MISUSE OF AUTOGK WITH UNSUPPORTED RIPPING TOOLS, IT'S NO LONGER ABLE TO PARSE IFO FILES, SO ONLY DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE CAN BE USED FROM NOW ON
beta of AutoGK don't want to do this... i'm getting
USE DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE
is it possible to remove this limitation?
and add info, that
RECOMMENDED TO USE DVDDECRYPTER IN IFO MODE ONLY
:D

[Taurus]

@QNX
Better read the forum rules (Rule6)

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
i'm downloading DVDR in iso format and usually ripping them with AutoGK on the fly... mounting them as virtual DVD


Read the rules please - forum doesn't support illegal downloads. Further discussion will result in a strike.

Originally posted by QNX
is it possible to remove this limitation?


no

[QNX]

Originally posted by Taurus
@QNX
Better read the forum rules (Rule6)

imagine that i have DVD iso from own DVD that i've bought in the DVD shop.. and now i should rerip ripped ISO :)

no
why? why just don't make it a hidden option.. all will be satisfied

10x :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
why? why just don't make it a hidden option.. all will be satisfied


The IFO parsing code is physically gone for good. It was not mine and was there only for testing purposes, but abused by many ppl. End of discussion.

[Taurus]

@lenOx

Thanks

Taurus

[NMachiavelli]

Would it be possible to support more than 2 audio tracks? I own several DVDs that have multiple director's commentaries, which would be nice to include on my backups. Thanks.

[Smiff]

edit: not another redundant post, christ. is AutoGK meant to produce both an unsplit and split .avi output set when i choose 2CD?
and to repeat my earlier Q, where should the .credits file go? (VIDEO_TS or root?). thanks. (Sorry this is what happens when i try to post at 5AM).

[buzzqw]

@Len0x

A simply request: as input file could be opened d2v ? (builded with your recommed dgindex version)

Thanks

BHH

[Mc|Atm0s]

[08/06/2004 0.20.18] Duration was: 2 hours 24 minutes 0 seconds
[08/06/2004 0.20.18] Speed was: 17,55 fps.
[08/06/2004 0.20.19] Expected quality of first pass size: 58,60
[08/06/2004 0.20.20] Running second pass.
[08/06/2004 0.20.20] Writing the following script to C:\Programmi\DivX\Movies\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,2,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS1","Italiano");
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetSource("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\gk_tmp\\xxxxxxxxxx AC3 T02 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.mp3",0x00000202,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetInterleave(1,500,2,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[1].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.AddComment(0x00000000,"IAS2","Espa\xC3\xB1ol");
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\\Programmi\\DivX\\Movies\\xxxxxxxxxx.avi");
===========================================================
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Duration was: 16 seconds
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Speed was: 9243,75 fps.
[08/06/2004 0.20.37] Job finished.

16 second?!? 9243,75 fps?!?

Can I resume the second pass? ;)

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Hi len0x, wouldn't it be usefuller, if you'd make the Maxium Width feature as a check feature, i mean, that you can activate it in compination with the min width option, so you can enter resolution ranges like 448 to 640 for width....

[len0x]

Originally posted by NMachiavelli
Would it be possible to support more than 2 audio tracks?

no, afaik AVI doesn't support more that 2 audio tracks. (neither do standalones)

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw
A simply request: as input file could be opened d2v ? (builded with your recommed dgindex version)


No, I don't want to hassle with just video. And the way DGIndex progresses - format's changing rapidly.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Smiff
edit: not another redundant post, christ. is AutoGK meant to produce both an unsplit and split .avi output set when i choose 2CD?
and to repeat my earlier Q, where should the .credits file go? (VIDEO_TS or root?).

yes it means to produce both full and split versions. hidden options files are meant to go to the folder which actually contains VOBs.

[buzzqw]

@Len0x
No, I don't want to hassle with just video. And the way DGIndex progresses - format's changing rapidly.

I understud but, i say, d2v created with dgindex bundled with autogk.

I am sorry for repling but with d2v support you would also support multiple .ts (Example: the Dreambox split file .ts at every GB), because i can build only one d2v with several file.

Thanks anyway :)

BHH

P.S. isn't a priority. just a request. feel free to reject (as already done :( )

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw

I understud but, i say, d2v created with dgindex bundled with autogk.


ppl would never follow that. its exactly the reason I removed IFO parsing from AutoGK...

Originally posted by buzzqw

I am sorry for repling but with d2v support you would also support multiple .ts

That's already possible! I forgot to mention that if you have properly named files like: bla_1.ts, bla_2.ts they will all be picked up!

[buzzqw]

ppl would never follow that. :scared:

yes, very probable (if not sure... :rolleyes: ) (argh... i like this features!)

I forgot to mention that if you have properly named files like: bla_1.ts, bla_2.ts they will all be picked up!

very good news ! :) :)

Argh.. i always cut (in dgindex) some commercials at beginning and at end.
Ok ! i must aks Neuron2 to put in preview info the number of current frame (to know trim/credits).

Thanks Len0x

BHH

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw

Argh.. i always cut (in dgindex) some commercials at beginning and at end.


check out FAQ Q 6.6

[buzzqw]

Ok Len0x :D

Nothing more to say ! ;)

Thanks Thanks Thanks

BHH

[Smiff]

thanks len0x for answering my stupid noob questions. now i have another q that i hope won't try your patience. using Kill Bill (my movie of the moment:), AutoGK put the cut when she's wiping the window. a few seconds later there's a fade to black. now i'd really like to put the disc change in that FtB, 'cos how it is just seems wrong. is there any way to do this? i could use the uncut .avi to split where i want, but that would make the two halves different sizes. this is ok in this example if it's only a few seconds, but say the best point was 5 minutes away, at a natural chapter change. considering that the credits take up 15 minutes of disc2, there's no reason why the cut should be very close to the middle (time wise)? so is this beyond what AutoGK was meant for (newbies)? shame because i think the split point is very important in not ruining 2-cd movies, disturbing the enjoyment too much you know. it could be a great new option in Hidden Options, to enter a frame number to split on, like the credits option. perhaps this can't be done for technical reasons, but thanks for listening.

[eb]

@ lenOx,

version 135a-- if tables are not present then default 11/14 PIDs are used

What is going on when the file in process is .mpg or .mpeg with video as E0 and audio as C0
Greetings
eb

[manono]

Smiff-

...i think the split point is very important in not ruining 2-cd movies...

I agree with you, but as far as I know, there's absolutely no way for AutoGK to know where the chapter break is. It splits at a point where there's a keyframe, and to insure that both halves have the same quality.

You can decrypt the movie by chapters using DVD Decrypter, but you'll have no guarantee that both halves will have nearly the same quality.

I usually take the time to find out where a natural split point is, but this involves extra work and time, and is nothing for AutoGK to mess with, in my opinion. I also had the split occurring where she's wiping the window in Kill Bill Vol 1, but there's a natural split point quite soon afterwards (if I remember correctly), so I split the movie into 2 halves and did it over again.

One thing you can do is to make the size 1390 MB or so, instead of 1400 MB, and then you'll have some leeway in deciding where to split it, and you'll get a better split point when splitting yourself.

[Darth Maul BR]

len0x,
No more support for Windows XP theme? :(

[Rzwen]

Is it possible to queue up a list of files for it to run overnight? I'm trying to backup Family Guy and it's very high maintenance having to be there while its working.

Also, I have resolution set to Auto, but AutoGK is giving me different resolutions for different episodes. I have it set to 1/2 CD 350 MB. Why is it giving me different resolutions for different episodes? Also, I have the audio set to Auto. What quality audio is it producing for 1/2 CD 350 MB Encodes? Does it keep the AC3 or Encode using MP3?

But, all in all, this is a gorgeous program. The best I've seen so far.

--EDIT--
Oh, nvmd. Adding more jobs allows more files to be queued! Awesome! :D
But I still don't understand the different resolution thing.

[manono]

Hi-

AutoGK is giving me different resolutions for different episodes.

My guess is that different episodes are compressing differently, so to maintain even quality for all of them, it's using different resolutions. If you don't like what it's doing, then use a custom fixed horizontal resolution to make all of them the same. AutoGK can still make some adjustments to try and maintain even quality, but there are no guarantees along those lines.

Does it keep the AC3 or Encode using MP3?

Good question. My guess is that it's converting to MP3. But it's easy enough for you to find out. Open the completed .avi in VDubMod and go File->File Information and have a look. Or open it in GSpot (http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Editing/gspot221.exe). It'll tell you that and a lot more.

[iradic]

hi...

not a big thing but here i cant see filesize in downloads section of gknot website... (using firefox)

as i said not a big thing...

bye

[len0x]

Originally posted by eb
What is going on when the file in process is .mpg or .mpeg with video as E0 and audio as C0


Well, mpegs are not transport streams and therefore cannot be processed as transport streams but just as pure mpegs (DGMPGDec distinguish files by extension).

[len0x]

Originally posted by Darth Maul BR
No more support for Windows XP theme? :(

meaning ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by iradic
not a big thing but here i cant see filesize in downloads section of gknot website... (using firefox)


they are not set - that's why :)
Probably I can do that for stable release, but for betas its lots of hassle to change it everytime...

[len0x]

Originally posted by GizmoDerMokwai
Hi len0x, wouldn't it be usefuller, if you'd make the Maxium Width feature as a check feature, i mean, that you can activate it in compination with the min width option, so you can enter resolution ranges like 448 to 640 for width....

I know you requested maximum width feature before, but as it is now its not for limiting normal encodes but rather HDTV sources (you don't want to get 1920 resolution in the end probably...). And I don't have infrastructure in place to support both limits. Usually you know which way to limit anyway.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
16 second?!? 9243,75 fps?!?


Are you still getting this error ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Smiff
shame because i think the split point is very important in not ruining 2-cd movies, disturbing the enjoyment too much you know. it could be a great new option in Hidden Options, to enter a frame number to split on, like the credits option. perhaps this can't be done for technical reasons, but thanks for listening.

Its too much to ask from automatic tool. There is no way to know exactly where to split before encoding unless you want to do two separate encodes and have uneven quality of the two halves.

[Mc|Atm0s]

Originally posted by len0x
Are you still getting this error ?
No...
I've resumed the 2nd pass without error...

[Smiff]

Originally posted by len0x
Its too much to ask from automatic tool. There is no way to know exactly where to split before encoding unless you want to do two separate encodes and have uneven quality of the two halves.

hi lenox, yes that's exactly what i want, the uneven quality (which won't really be significant at all, i figure - unless one half of the movie was much more compressible than the other half or something very weird?).. of course i realised after posting it would take two seperate encodes, with the extra complexity of getting the audio and subs synced right. thanks anyway, guess i'll be going back to learning the manual way if i want to continue with this :/ i might use manono's tip (thanks!) of undersizing slightly. but neither solution is perfect, how much of a perfectionist do i want to be. i guess one day someone will make a tool that let's you choose split point (by time), but i quite understand if it isn't this one, i wouldn't want to get into it either :)

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by len0x
no, afaik AVI doesn't support more that 2 audio tracks. (neither do standalones)

At least up to 7 work with Mediatek based players.
Have not tried more than that ;)

[NMachiavelli]

Originally posted by len0x
no, afaik AVI doesn't support more that 2 audio tracks. (neither do standalones)

I figured it was something like that, which I'm too noob to know.

I'm guessing the matroska format would support what I'm looking for?

len0x, I remember you saying you weren't going to support matroska until there was stand alone support for it, but how many people use HTPCs instead of STB to play their backups? Was there a poll along these lines at one point? I don't see it on the website...

[Darth Maul BR]

Originally posted by len0x
meaning ?
Yes... :( Before version 1.25 its ok.... now the buttons look like classic theme... :(

[ydobon]

Hello, there.

Originally posted by len0x
no, afaik AVI doesn't support more that 2 audio tracks. (neither do standalones)

Well, I don't know if it's standard but VDubMod lets you add as many audio streams as you want.

I've manually added a third audio stream (director's commentary) to an AGK encode and it played without problems in a Kiss DP-1000.


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by Darth Maul BR
Yes... :( Before version 1.25 its ok.... now the buttons look like classic theme... :(

Can you post a screenshot(two if possible with 1.25 and 1.35)? I didn't touch GUI at all!

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
I've manually added a third audio stream (director's commentary) to an AGK encode and it played without problems in a Kiss DP-1000.


I gotta try this on my standalone...

[Mc|Atm0s]

Hi len0x! This is the problem:

I've asked AutoGKnot to encode Kill Bill with Subtitles: Italiano / Normal Captions : Wide/Letterbox , but the log says:

[05/06/2004 19.44.21] AutoGK 1.30b
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Job started.
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Input dir: D:\Video\Films\KillBill\KILL BILL VOL.1
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Output file: D:\Video\Films\KillBill\KILL BILL VOL.1\Kill Bill Vol.1.avi
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Audio: Italiano
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Subtitles: all
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Codec: XviD
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Target size: 1400Mb
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Custom audio settings: CBR MP3 with bitrate: 160Kbps
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Started encoding.
[05/06/2004 19.44.21] Demuxing and indexing.
[05/06/2004 19.49.31] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[05/06/2004 19.49.31] Source resolution: 720x576


Why "all" subtitles?

Also, why in my logs don't appears "Subtitles size: xxx bytes (xxx Mb)" and "Splitting and compressing subtitles"?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s
I've asked AutoGKnot to encode Kill Bill with Subtitles: Italiano / Normal Captions : Wide/Letterbox , but the log says:


what's the contents of your stream info file ?

Originally posted by Mc|Atm0s

Also, why in my logs don't appears "Subtitles size: xxx bytes (xxx Mb)" and "Splitting and compressing subtitles"?

coz they are internal...

[((( atom )))]

afaik avi supports at least 8 audio streams and should even be ok with several videostreams.

[Mc|Atm0s]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by len0x
[B]what's the contents of your stream info file ?


0x20 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 01: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 31285 / PTS: 00:01:18.647 / Delay: 78360ms
0x21 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 02: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 17414 / PTS: 00:00:38.367 / Delay: 38080ms
0x22 - Subtitle - Italiano / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 03: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 12460 / PTS: 00:00:25.887 / Delay: 25600ms
0x23 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 04: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 355806 / PTS: 00:14:35.927 / Delay: 875640ms
0x24 - Subtitle - Italiano / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 05: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 12462 / PTS: 00:00:25.887 / Delay: 25600ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 118 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x81 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Italiano / LBA: 119 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x8A - Audio - DTS / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Italiano / LBA: 120 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms

[cyberfly]

I wanted to rip Saint Seiya (anime series) with AutoGK (I used 1.25 and 1.35), but the subtitles aren't encoded with the video stream in the preview.

I selected the English subtitles and they don't render. This is when I try to rip the whole DVD (all chapters). When I rip PER chapter, only the first chapter displayed subtitles.

This is the stream info file contents:

0x20 - Subtitle - Chinese - [SubPicture 01: Normal] / LBA: 8696 / PTS: 00:00:14.006 / Delay: 13659ms
0x21 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 02: Normal] / LBA: 35403 / PTS: 00:01:32.518 / Delay: 92171ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / Japanese / LBA: 4300 / PTS: 00:00:00.693 / Delay: 345ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x480 (NTSC) / 4:3 / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.347 / Delay: 0ms

When I ripped The Emperor's New Groove, it worked flawlessly !

Thank you for your trouble.

[Sharkbyte]

Aside from my friends' problem above me, I have another problem. I tried to encode a show recording from a DVD. The source is 720x576 (no black borders) interlaced PAL. For some reason, every width setting I choose results in a zoomed picture, making the stand-up comedian's head go outside the image. I tried 1.25 and 1.35.

The logfile can be seen here (http://users.skynet.be/phunc/01_gk.log).

[Darth Maul BR]

Originally posted by len0x
Can you post a screenshot(two if possible with 1.25 and 1.35)? I didn't touch GUI at all!
1.25... OK!
http://www.dvdnews.hpg.ig.com.br//teste/autogk1.25.gif

1.35... Windows Classic :(
http://www.dvdnews.hpg.ig.com.br//teste/autogk1.35.gif

[Taurus]

@Darth Maul BR

Where is the difference in your screenshots?
Just the green marks! And the blue writing!
Are you kidding?
C'mon, no pea collecting.
Nevertheless, I think lenOx will give it a shot. :rolleyes:
Form follows function and truth(beauty) is in the eye of the admirer(viewer)....

Have a nice day

Taurus

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
Its too much to ask from automatic tool. There is no way to know exactly where to split before encoding unless you want to do two separate encodes and have uneven quality of the two halves.

...to clarify - you have to split on a keyframe - if you enter a preferred frame # to split at before encoding, there's no way to guarantee that will end up being a keyframe after encoding, so you can't necessarily split at that point.

@len0x - been away for a while (changed carreers in the last month, very busy times) - thanks for the continued work and updates!!!

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by NMachiavelli
I figured it was something like that, which I'm too noob to know.

I'm guessing the matroska format would support what I'm looking for?

len0x, I remember you saying you weren't going to support matroska until there was stand alone support for it, but how many people use HTPCs instead of STB to play their backups? Was there a poll along these lines at one point? I don't see it on the website...

HTPC here! Best bang for the buck, hands down - try playing NFS or Commanche on your standalone divx player ;-)

[dubrava752]

HI !!

Your program is the best, but I have one question. I use burn-in-subtitles but size of that font is too small. Can I choose size of the font somewhere in the program ??

p.s.sorry for bad english

[Stebs]

As far as I know subtitles on DVD's are a layer of bitmaps, so it is impossible to easily change size of font.

BUT, if you use an external Program like SubRip instead of a doing an "burn-in", you can choose the size, position, color and even type of font while the Playback! This is possible because Subrip is doing an OCR on the bitmaps resulting in an textfile (which takes less space than 100 kb btw).
Every good Mediaplayer can show "Textfile"-Subtitles and even some Standalone Players can display them...

[GizmoDerMokwai]

0x20 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 17509 / PTS: 00:00:47.727 / Delay: 47440ms
0x21 - Subtitle - Deutsch - [SubPicture 02: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 53573 / PTS: 00:01:53.727 / Delay: 113440ms
0x22 - Subtitle - Deutsch - [SubPicture 03: Wide/Letterbox] / LBA: 53576 / PTS: 00:01:53.727 / Delay: 113440ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 88 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x81 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Deutsch / LBA: 89 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0x8A - Audio - DTS / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Deutsch / LBA: 90 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.287 / Delay: 0ms


[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Subtitles: all
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Codec: XviD
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Target size: 825Mb
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Custom resolution settings: minimum width of 512 pixels
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Custom audio settings: AC3
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Started encoding.
[11.06.2004 15:24:44] Demuxing and indexing.
[11.06.2004 15:27:41] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[11.06.2004 15:27:41] Source resolution: 720x576
[11.06.2004 15:27:41] Found PAL source.
[11.06.2004 15:27:41] Analyzing source.
[11.06.2004 15:27:52] Source is considered to be progressive.
[11.06.2004 15:27:52] Found 143227 frames
[11.06.2004 15:27:52] Indexing subtitles.
[11.06.2004 15:30:48] Compressing subtitles.
[11.06.2004 15:30:58] Audio size: 274,993,152 bytes (262.25 Mb)
[11.06.2004 15:30:58] Overhead: 954,880 bytes (0.91 Mb)
[11.06.2004 15:30:58] Subtitles size: 1,036,242 bytes (0.99 Mb)

The final and also temp Subtitles include also the first Subtitletrack. I've used 1.35b with DVD input...

C:\DVD\VTS_01_0.ifo
D:\tmp\gk_tmp\123
1
0
0 cc
CLOSE

[AlmanNewfred]

I just finished an encode of a movie from a hybrid source (mostly NTSC), but the aspect ratio was 4:3 when it should have been 16:9. It's no big deal for me since I can change the AR in my player. Would you like to see the log?

EDIT:

Here's the stream information file:


0x20 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Wide/Letterbox/Pan & Scan] / LBA: 4103 / PTS: 00:00:15.115 / Delay: 14814ms
0x21 - Subtitle - Français - [SubPicture 02: Wide/Letterbox/Pan & Scan] / LBA: 11601 / PTS: 00:00:37.804 / Delay: 37504ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / Français / LBA: 16 / PTS: 00:00:00.233 / Delay: -66ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x480 (NTSC) / 16:9 / Pan-Scan & Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.300 / Delay: 0ms


It says the video is both pan & scan and letterbox. Could this be confusing AGK?

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
It says the video is both pan & scan and letterbox. Could this be confusing AGK?

NO, but can you post the beginning of D2V file from gk_temp directory ?

P.S. which version of autoGK are you using ?

[AlmanNewfred]

Originally posted by len0x
NO, but can you post the beginning of D2V file from gk_temp directory ?
DGIndexProjectFile06
4
34 D:\LM\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_PGC_01_1.VOB
34 D:\LM\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_PGC_01_2.VOB
34 D:\LM\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_PGC_01_3.VOB
34 D:\LM\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_PGC_01_4.VOB

Stream_Type=1
iDCT_Algorithm=2 (1:MMX 2:SSEMMX 3:FPU 4:REF 5:SSE2MMX)
YUVRGB_Scale=1 (0:TVScale 1:PCScale)
Luminance_Filter=0,0 (Gamma, Offset)
Clipping=0,0,0,0 (ClipLeft, ClipRight, ClipTop, ClipBottom)
Aspect_Ratio=4:3
Picture_Size=720x480
Field_Operation=0 (0:None 1:ForcedFILM 2:RawFrames)
Frame_Rate=29970
Location=0,0,3,55B92


...so I guess it looks like a dgindex issue.

P.S. which version of autoGK are you using ?
1.35

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
so I guess it looks like a dgindex issue.


yes, see here for solution: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77780

[len0x]

Originally posted by GizmoDerMokwai
The final and also temp Subtitles include also the first Subtitletrack. I've used 1.35b with DVD input...

I need to have a look as you're not the only one having a problem with "All" subs.

[Sharkbyte]

Originally posted by Sharkbyte
Aside from my friends' problem above me, I have another problem. I tried to encode a show recording from a DVD. The source is 720x576 (no black borders) interlaced PAL. For some reason, every width setting I choose results in a zoomed picture, making the stand-up comedian's head go outside the image. I tried 1.25 and 1.35.

The logfile can be seen here (http://users.skynet.be/phunc/01_gk.log).
;)

[Carraway]

Originally posted by Sharkbyte
;)

Is the background behind the comedian predominantly black? If so, it's probably an autocrop issue; it thinks that the black background is actually letterboxing, and therefore crops it all off. I personally don't know of a fix for this* (though that doesn't mean there isn't one), but len0x has said that in the soon-to-be-implemented config file, you will be able to change the crop threshold values, and that will probably fix it.

*I had a similar problem with a Buffy episode (S1E7, "Angel") where, despite the episode being 4:3, the top and bottom of the frame were so consistently dark that autocrop() mistook it for letterboxing, and the resulting AVI was closer to 16:9 than to 4:3. I didn't know at the time how to fix it, and aside from manually editing the *.d2v to increase the luminance slightly, I believe there still is no solution.

[((( atom )))]

@len0x
since the average compressibility even of older movies with todays codecs is so high meanwhile i start wanting to keep the full 704 or 720 pixels width. this way a lot of resizing is circumvented and the full detail is preserved.

when i now set the width to either of these ratios i run into trouble:
first of all i don't know if the movie is 704 or full 720 encoded, secondly i would like to keep to standard filesizes like 1/2/3 cds or half dvd etc.. with fixed quality setting i would end up having very different filesizes.

i really think it would make sense having the option to stick tightly to these "professional" formats. how do you think about it?

regards,

[Hobojobo]

@lenox

What about a (hidden) comp test on Strg-F11 ?
After a comp test you could estimate the size for a one pass quality-encode.

I put the focus on several points.
audio: 2 tracks, ac3/mp3, depending on the total file size.

1. resolution 704x... (min)
2. File size around 2 GB
3. Quality 60-75%

With a comp test before I could calculate, which way to go, without a full second pass.

Once again, I want to say thank you for such a nice tool.
Since AutoGK can handle mpg files directy, it is perfect and fool-proof for me and I think for many, many...

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
i really think it would make sense having the option to stick tightly to these "professional" formats. how do you think about it?


I don't think I understand your request. What is it exactly you suggest ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hobojobo

What about a (hidden) comp test on Strg-F11 ?


As it is now - you can always abort encoding after comp test, so there is no need for explicit comp test mode...

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
I don't think I understand your request. What is it exactly you suggest ? sorry if i didn't make myself clear enough.
my request would be an option for keeping the full resolution combined with a decision for the filesize, wich should have some steps like 1/2/3 cds or use the dvd-size steps. the point is, that if the decision to lower the resolution automatically to keep quality within a given range is gone, id would be nice to implement a mode where the filesize is adjusted accordingly in steps to have an influence on the quality again.

as it is atm, one has no influence on the final size when keeping the full res and ends up with nice clips wich all have different filesizes, so it is very unconvinient when wanting to burn them. also one can not know what "full res" or full width actually is, since dvd come mostly with 704 but some do have the full 720 wich are also the two most common resolutions for instance when using professional mpeg2 encoding hardware cards.

any chance?

[Sharkbyte]

Originally posted by Carraway
Is the background behind the comedian predominantly black? If so, it's probably an autocrop issue; it thinks that the black background is actually letterboxing, and therefore crops it all off. I personally don't know of a fix for this* (though that doesn't mean there isn't one), but len0x has said that in the soon-to-be-implemented config file, you will be able to change the crop threshold values, and that will probably fix it.

*I had a similar problem with a Buffy episode (S1E7, "Angel") where, despite the episode being 4:3, the top and bottom of the frame were so consistently dark that autocrop() mistook it for letterboxing, and the resulting AVI was closer to 16:9 than to 4:3. I didn't know at the time how to fix it, and aside from manually editing the *.d2v to increase the luminance slightly, I believe there still is no solution.
Yes I think your absolutely right, the background is indeed dominantly black. Problem is, AutoGK is the only program that would have encoded it properly, for some reason Gordian Knot made a 2,4GB file of it, and I specifically said I wanted a 1,4GB (2 CD's). Also, sound was all wrong etc etc. AutoGK didn't have those problems, but the auto-crop is indeed the problem I think.

Len0x, there isn't a way of disabling cropping with a startup command or something with the current version ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharkbyte
Len0x, there isn't a way of disabling cropping with a startup command or something with the current version ?

Nope, but ealier next week a new version which allows you to set autocrop parameters will be available.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))

my request would be an option for keeping the full resolution combined with a decision for the filesize, wich should have some steps like 1/2/3 cds or use the dvd-size steps. the point is, that if the decision to lower the resolution automatically to keep quality within a given range is gone, id would be nice to implement a mode where the filesize is adjusted accordingly in steps to have an influence on the quality again.


Sort of autosize mode, right? I though about it a lot and the only reasonable solution would be:

- add option to adjust size when fixed or minimal width selected
- this option adds 700Mb increments if good quality is not reached
- this option won't change audio type
- this option will only work for 1/2CDs original target size and make in the end either 1, 2 or 3 CDs

If ppl are happy with this scenario then I can implement it.

Regarding 704/720 width selection - I can't do anything since inside AutoGK I never know what actual width (after crop) is. So you have to manually set the limit anyway.

[Sharkbyte]

Well yeah, Isn't a kind of "quality slider" a good option ? Like this:


|--------||---------| [640x480 @ xxx kbit/s]
reso- bit-
lution rate


The bitrate would follow the setted disc number/filesize.
So setting it to the left would give the vid a higher res (max 720, min 4xx) and to the right would give it a better bitrate but lower res.

Or you could just let the slider be a resolution only slider, it's the same actually. That way, people can very simply choose if they want a lower res, but higher bitrate or vice versa.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharkbyte
Well yeah, Isn't a kind of "quality slider" a good option ? Like this:


It's not what we're discussing with atom though. We're talking about ability to have a decent resolution and quality without knowledge of movie compressibility. Its impossible to set final size prior comp test to achieve this. That's what auto-size really means.

[Sharkbyte]

Ah groovy, got confused than :D

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x

- add option to adjust size when fixed or minimal width selected
- this option adds 700Mb increments if good quality is not reached
- this option won't change audio type
- this option will only work for 1/2CDs original target size and make in the end either 1, 2 or 3 CDs

If ppl are happy with this scenario then I can implement it.

Regarding 704/720 width selection - I can't do anything since inside AutoGK I never know what actual width (after crop) is. So you have to manually set the limit anyway.
ok, now we are on the same track. :)
all in all your suggestion is good, for my special case though it brings up a rather serious problem:
since i store all my movies on harddisk but still sometimes burn them to mostly dvd, my personal maximum size is 2gb. so for me it would be cool to have an option to limit the max. filesize to 2gb. this brings up the next question: what should the program do, if 3cds/2gb won't be enough for decent quality @ full res?

and regarding the 704/720 issue: if the movie is made in 704 then 704 is the correct width to choose and if it is 720 then 720 is it. if one could simply choose "use full resolution" we would have achieved a non-resized picture anyway.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))

all in all your suggestion is good, for my special case though it brings up a rather serious problem:


Let me be clear here: I don't try to solve you special problem, but to see if there is a generic slution which can benefit many other users.

If i'm gonna be putting auto-size feature - I'm planning to do it as follows now - put an option to specify the increment in MB if quality is not reached with no maximum size limit. Auto split will no longer work on > 3CDs, but you still have a good quality.

Originally posted by ((( atom )))

and regarding the 704/720 issue: if the movie is made in 704 then 704 is the correct width to choose and if it is 720 then 720 is it. if one could simply choose "use full resolution" we would have achieved a non-resized picture anyway.

I don't know where you got 704 width from as DVDs only have 720. In case there are some pixels to crop left and right thne maximum mod 16 width is 704 indeed, but its not real movie width. As of current version of AutoGK width always scales up to 720 and not 704 as it was before.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
Let me be clear here: I don't try to solve you special problem, but to see if there is a generic slution which can benefit many other users. sure. i didn't want my extra-special feature just for myself. i just wrote down my specific problem, wich might affect others who are writing their movies to dvd as well.

Originally posted by len0x
... Auto split will no longer work on > 3CDs, but you still have a good quality. i am not exactly understanding. what happens >3cds? the file stays one big file?

Originally posted by len0x
I don't know where you got 704 width from as DVDs only have 720. ... i use an optibase moviemaker 200 at work a lot, wich is a professional encoder-board. the software that comes with it lets you choose between 720 width or 704, so i assume that is is a standard. also i see a lot of movies wich come in 704 width, meaning that the rest of the pixels up to is left black.
if i recall correctly also tmpegenc has an option for 704 pixels width.

[Zhnujm]

704 and 720 are both in the dvd specs.
Usually 720 is 704 pixel image + 16 pixel border and 704 only contains the image with no black borders.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
704 and 720 are both in the dvd specs.
Usually 720 is 704 pixel image + 16 pixel border and 704 only contains the image with no black borders.

Have you actually seen 704 DVDs?

Anyway if DVD is 704 then AutoGK will no go up to 720 by default.

[manono]

Hi-

704 and 720 are both in the dvd specs.

And so is 352. But my understanding is that official studio released retail DVDs are always 720x480/576.

[((( atom )))]

hmm, but when going up to 720 resizing would be involved again. what i actually meant, wehn i wrote about a 704 dvd, ist the usable picture, wich mostly ends up being 704 in width after cropping.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
hmm, but when going up to 720 resizing would be involved again. what i actually meant, wehn i wrote about a 704 dvd, ist the usable picture, wich mostly ends up being 704 in width after cropping.

I have no intentions to cover this case atm, since AutoGK has no idea what the source is - only autocrop inside avs does...

[len0x]

Originally posted by manono
And so is 352.

I actually have a sample of this one. In AutoGK I just multiply the width by two in this case to get maximum allowed width for the clip.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
i am not exactly understanding. what happens >3cds? the file stays one big file?


If I don't touch anything now, then yes. I have to see how much splitting code is affected as values 1400 and 2100 are hardcoded now.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
I have no intentions to cover this case atm, since AutoGK has no idea what the source is - only autocrop inside avs does... i am beginning to understand.. too bad, though, because that actually kills the nice idea of no resizing. is there a chance that you might have a look at it sometimes?

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
is there a chance that you might have a look at it sometimes?


I doubt, coz the whole idea was to do everything inside avs script. On the other hand it might be possible to check that inside the script, but then then we don't know if user really wants given width or need maximum cropped width. It needs investigating...

*Edit* if width gets adjusted inside of avs script then comp test result gets invalid, so its bad idea anyhow. I don't really see a problem upscaling a bit - you're doing that anyway when watching...

[len0x]

You can override autocrop parameters now.

[Sharkbyte]

Wicked, I will test it out and see how the stand-up comedian show encoding will go ! Will report back.

[pindawg]

I'm getting "error parsing input directory" with the new ver. (1.40b). I had encoded fine from this same directory with the previous version, but now get the error. Any suggestions?

[Sharkbyte]

Hmm, I thought it was something I did, I also get that problem. Went fine with 1.35b :confused:

[len0x]

That's what happening when I try to debug some stuff right before releasing new version :) Back space is a tricky button...

[pindawg]

Yeah I guess I should clarify, "previous version" was 1.35b.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
... but then then we don't know if user really wants given width or need maximum cropped width. It needs investigating... couldn't you just make it an option: "full movie width" or "720"?

Originally posted by len0x
... if width gets adjusted inside of avs script then comp test result gets invalid, so its bad idea anyhow. I don't really see a problem upscaling a bit - you're doing that anyway when watching... hmm, the comp-test thingie sucks, although i don't fully understand it. isn't the comp-test made _after_ cropping? ..but at this point i might not be deep enough into your routines.

what i think is bad about scaling is, that when upscaling to 720 whilst encoding and maybe even downscaling again whilst watching you certainly loose a bit or get nasty little stairs(i had quite a hard time with these before..). it all depends on your watching equipment, of course, but if one can choose the best for his equipment, a standalone user would choose his/her native tv-resolution, eg. 720 for pal and i would choose 704, wich is the absolut maximum my vga-tv can cope with. both we would have very straight viewing-chains without any scaling. :) :) :)

[mob]

Originally posted by len0x
You can override autocrop parameters now.

Thanks len0x! This feature will help me out tremendously!

Can you please elaborate on how I would go about doing this?

I can't seem to find any option for it.

[mob]

Nevermind len0x, I've figured it out on my own.

It wasn't too hard and it actually worked!

Very Nice! THANKS!

Just one question about the threshold:

Is the threshold the starting frame# for which to begin when examining the number of frames that are set?

If not, what is it for?

Thanks again len0x!

[len0x]

Originally posted by mob
Is the threshold the starting frame# for which to begin when examining the number of frames that are set?


Sorry, I wasn't clear about frame number - it is a number of frames examined by autocrop to find crop values. It is not recommened to to change default 10 unless you have substitled movie (as mpeg2/ts file) and 10 frames may be not enough (subtitle may not appear in those 10 frames and they will be cut off). Threshold itself is just level of sensitivity to the black-ish areas...

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
@len0x - been away for a while (changed carreers in the last month, very busy times)

standing by for updates to hidden options tool :D

[Taurus]

@therealjoeblow

standing by for updates to hidden options tool
That's what I'm counting on.
Hate to edit scripts manually :D ;)

Cheers

Taurus

[mob]

Originally posted by len0x
Sorry, I wasn't clear about frame number - it is a number of frames examined by autocrop to find crop values. It is not recommened to to change default 10 unless you have substitled movie (as mpeg2/ts file) and 10 frames may be not enough (subtitle may not appear in those 10 frames and they will be cut off). Threshold itself is just level of sensitivity to the black-ish areas...


So in order to fix my problem with the top portion of the video being cut off, you say it is not recommended to change the default 10 for the number of frames?

The only thing is that by changing the frame number to 12 and keeping a threshold of 34 I was able to encode the video perfectly fine. While changing the threshold didn't seem to do anything.

[len0x]

Originally posted by mob
The only thing is that by changing the frame number to 12 and keeping a threshold of 34 I was able to encode the video perfectly fine. While changing the threshold didn't seem to do anything.

I'd recommend starting off by changing threshold and if that doesn't help, then change number of frames. It might be that there is one very confusing frame for autocrop and by changing number of frames, selection of frames is different - therefore elminating the problem.

[Sharkbyte]

Yes, the movie encoded perfectly ! Although I'd rather had it not resize (640x464 or something, and I did set width to maximum), it did encode flawlessly without cropping ! Thank you for the great support and wonderful program !!

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by len0x
Have you actually seen 704 DVDs?


No :) Only my own creations from DVB streams.

[jeeproject]

When using AutoGK with Xvid, default settings, and a output file size of 2GB all the movies have a low volume. This happens with other versions of AutoGK as well and with different file sizes to. Any way to fix this?

[Taurus]

Originally posted by jeeproject
When using AutoGK with Xvid, default settings, and a output file size of 2GB all the movies have a low volume. This happens with other versions of AutoGK as well and with different file sizes to. Any way to fix this?

ac3 or mp3?

For ac3 just open the ac3 decoder filter dialog and raise the settings to your desire.
And this question has been answered so many times at the doom forums.
So maybe look at the audio forum if you need further help.
Or search this thread, - has been answered many times.

[Nikse555]

The new hidden threshold parameter (at 16 for me) works great - Thx :)

[manono]

Welcome to the forum, jeepproject-

AC3, right? I think the easiest way to get more volume is to use the AC3 Filter (http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Filters/ac3filter_0_70b.exe) to decode the Dolby Digital sound. Then go Start->Programs->AC3Filter->AC3Filter Config->Main Tab->Preset (in the lower left corner)->set to LOUD.

Taurus-

Or search this thread

Search over 2300 replies? :) But you're right, a search in any number of places would have turned up the answer. And so would a thorough reading of the AutoGK Tutorial (http://len0xmirror1.serveftp.net/~len0x/tutorial/AutoGK.html), where at the bottom it says, If the audio is too soft, go into Configuration and change the Preset to Loud (lower left)." But that damn thing is nearly as long as this thread. :)

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
I actually have a sample of this one. In AutoGK I just multiply the width by two in this case to get maximum allowed width for the clip. @len0x, I was thinking if this really makes good sense... If source is 352 width (really rare anyway), and you double it, you'll probably be using much more bitrate, and without increasing quality. You may as well leave it at 352, use the available BR to increase the quality (lower quant) and let the player do the resize on playback. It should not do any more harm than resizing at encoding time and either saves space or increases quality.

[calinb]

VERSION HISTORY
1.41 beta

- added support for overriding autocrop parameters via ".autocrop" file:

len0x, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! :D I've been waiting for this feature for a long time for my ReplayTV files. Now, with all the new support for various mpeg2 formats, it will be even more useful.:D :D :D

[Firewave]

I got problems with some movies, that are longer than 2 or 3 hours. They always run into the 30 minute demuxing/indexing timeout.
It would be nice to configure the timeouts.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Firewave
I got problems with some movies, that are longer than 2 or 3 hours. They always run into the 30 minute demuxing/indexing timeout.
It would be nice to configure the timeouts.

Demuxing step takes longer than 30 min ???
Can you measure manually with DGIndex how long it takes to do that manually? What kind of PC do you have ? Does defragmenting your hdd help ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
@len0x, I was thinking if this really makes good sense... If source is 352 width (really rare anyway), and you double it, you'll probably be using much more bitrate, and without increasing quality. You may as well leave it at 352, use the available BR to increase the quality (lower quant) and let the player do the resize on playback. It should not do any more harm than resizing at encoding time and either saves space or increases quality.

Well, resizing on playback is definitely worse than within avisynth. Original 352 width is too small - you'll be loosing too much vertical pixels (which is normal 480/576). So width will be resized anyway, but height suffers in this case as well.

[((( atom )))]

..just got the latest autogk and actually saw the file input for the first time.

- nice -

one suggestion, though: just launching it, i sat there like a dummy in the first place and i would have to look up the readme or anything to actually know how to use the file mode, since i wouldn't know how to get my audio in there.

wouldn't it make sense to be able to actually "choose" the audiotrack(s) as a file just like the video for demuxed files?

another suggestion could be a little mouseover thingie that pops up a little ballon with a short explanation.

i didin't really follow the thread in terms of file-openeing because i would not need it yet, but that makes me a good newbie i guess ;)

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
So width will be resized anyway, but height suffers in this case as well. You are absolutely right. Sorry, I forgot you are not a fan of "keep the height" encoding mode by using anamorphic aspects or original PARs.

[pindawg]

Originally posted by Firewave
I got problems with some movies, that are longer than 2 or 3 hours. They always run into the 30 minute demuxing/indexing timeout.
It would be nice to configure the timeouts.

Getting the same thing here. I've tried Mystic River twice, and it has timed out both times. Haven't tried it manually yet, but I can. Is there a way to get around this?

BTW: Running 1.7ghz P4 w WinXP Pro. All files are on a Linux server, not on local HD, so that may account for some slowdown.

[evil ryu]

When I try to set "Input directory" I get the following error: "Error parsing input directory. Make sure you used DVDDecrypter in IFO mode to rip a DVD".
I used DVDDecrypter in IFO mode as I have always done with every DVD.
What can I do to solve the problem?

[Sharkbyte]

Try the latest version (1.41b).

[MoonWalker]

Originally posted by evil ryu
When I try to set "Input directory" I get the following error: "Error parsing input directory. Make sure you used DVDDecrypter in IFO mode to rip a DVD".
I used DVDDecrypter in IFO mode as I have always done with every DVD.
What can I do to solve the problem?

I had the same problem with one movie I ripped using IFO-mode..The problem was at the VTS_01 - Stream Information.txt file that DVDDecrypter generates.

It has a line tha said :
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Unknown(' ') / LBA: 11 / PTS: 00:00:00.280 / Delay: -80ms

I changed it to this and worked :
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 11 / PTS: 00:00:00.280 / Delay: -80ms

Hope this helps,
MoonWalker

[Firewave]

Originally posted by len0x
Demuxing step takes longer than 30 min ???
Can you measure manually with DGIndex how long it takes to do that manually? What kind of PC do you have ? Does defragmenting your hdd help ?

The harddisk is almost empty and not that old yet, so it's quite defragmented.
How do I demux a file? "Save project"? That should take 10 minutes according to the estimated time.
My CPU is a P4 2,4Ghz with 512MB DDR333 RAM.
I did another movie, what didn't run into the timeout and recognised, that the writing during the demuing is quite slow compared to what I saw during "Save project". Maybe some optimizations not set properly when it is being used by AutoGK?

[len0x]

Some HTPC ppl would like to see main screen of the AutoGK not more than 640x480. I wonder if I can solve the problem by providing shortcuts for all button operations? (I tried resizing main window and can't fit in all the buttons...)

[evil ryu]

Originally posted by MoonWalker
I had the same problem with one movie I ripped using IFO-mode..The problem was at the VTS_01 - Stream Information.txt file that DVDDecrypter generates.

It has a line tha said :
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Unknown(' ') / LBA: 11 / PTS: 00:00:00.280 / Delay: -80ms

I changed it to this and worked :
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / English / LBA: 11 / PTS: 00:00:00.280 / Delay: -80ms

Hope this helps,
MoonWalker

Thank you very much.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
Some HTPC ppl would like to see main screen of the AutoGK not more than 640x480. I wonder if I can solve the problem by providing shortcuts for all button operations? (I tried resizing main window and can't fit in all the buttons...) do you mean shortcuts _instead_ of buttons? i think that would make it rather confusing, because one couldn't use the application anymore without reading its manual. kinda newbie factor decreasing. also see my other post wich is related in a way.

also i myself tend to forget about options of software when using comandline tools a lot. having buttons this can't happen.

or did i get your posting wrong maybe? & what are htpc people?

[btothec2]

Home Theatre PC. Yea, I never really thought about it, but I use AutoGK on my HTPC all the time, and it would really suck if it didn't fit on screen.

[len0x]

@atom

lol :) How can you even imagine this: application without buttons??? :)
C'mon - I'm not that insane :D I meant just the same actions as on buttons for shortcuts.

@btothec2

Are you saying that now AutoGK fits nicely on the screen I was told that button for opening Save To dialog was inaccessible (width of AutoGK now is 700 pixels).

[btothec2]

len0x,

I actually have an old version on my htpc. I have not tried the newest version on there. I will install the latest and see how it goes.

[pindawg]

Any word on the timeout problem. I would like to finish a couple that timeout.

Thanks

[len0x]

Originally posted by pindawg
Any word on the timeout problem.

I can ask you the same question. I asked ppl for exact timing for manual indexing and demuxing (audio demuxing is important in this case) and noone seemed to care...

[len0x]

Originally posted by btothec2
I actually have an old version on my htpc. I have not tried the newest version on there. I will install the latest and see how it goes.

How old ?
Every version from 0.8-1.25 had almost the same GUI in that respect. So you didn't have any problems? (if you have 640 width of screen then you should since AutoGK's width is 700)

[Firewave]

Originally posted by len0x
I can ask you the same question. I asked ppl for exact timing for manual indexing and demuxing (audio demuxing is important in this case) and noone seemed to care...

I replied to that on the 18th June. Read it above and answer, please.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Firewave
I replied to that on the 18th June. Read it above and answer, please.

How hard is to tell me just how much _exactly_ took demuxing of the source which timed out in AutoGK ? If you stop paying attention to what I'm asking I'll stop fixing the issue.

p.s. at least you attempted to answer, ppl like pindawg still whining...

[Firewave]

Originally posted by len0x
How hard is to tell me just how much _exactly_ took demuxing of the source which timed out in AutoGK ? If you stop paying attention to what I'm asking I'll stop fixing the issue.

p.s. at least you attempted to answer, ppl like pindawg still whining...

First you have to answer my question, what I have to do, because I see no option "demuxing audio" anywhere in that tool.
Do I have to choose "Save project"? And what settings do I need, that the behavior is the same as AutoGK?

And I couldn't tell you the exact time it took, because I never got around to run it in the past few days. Being a bit busy with real life and work.

If I get around to it I will look more deeply into it tomorrow, because right now I just got home and I am already on the run again.

Update: Well...I saw the "Demux" option now. Last time I looked into it I was too focused on "Demux All". I set it to demux and the estimated time was around 5 minutes. I will take another look at it in an hour, if it get to it.

Update 2: Starting it manually it took a few seconds more than 5 minutes. And running AutoGK again with a movie I had aproblem with...no timeout anymore.
Do you distribute DGIndex.exe with an default DGIndex.ini? I read the commandline documentation and it says, that non-supplied parameters are read from the ini file. Maybe starting it manually creates a default ini file and it takes some settings like floating point type from there. I can't check it right now. I am on the run. Sorry

[len0x]

The whole reason for putting 30 min timeout for DGIndex operation was to avoid problem with the queue when DGIndex in fact doesn't do anything (for unknown reason). So whatever you guys experiencing is exactly what it was intended for (as you see now yourself demuxing step doesn't take more than 15-20 min). Case closed.

P.S. DGIndex is suppied with all parameetrs dynamically and ini file is not used. and FYI floating point type is for _decoding_ via dgdecode.dll not demuxing with DGIndex...

[calinb]

Originally posted by len0x
Some HTPC ppl would like to see main screen of the AutoGK not more than 640x480. Fits just fine in the 720p output to my Sammy from my HTPC:D I like it the way it is now.

[MRisos]

I seem to be having a filesize problem this is the log.

I done MPEG2 2 XVID 350mb

Heres the log.

removed

The final completed 2pass xvid came out 172MB:rolleyes:

[manono]

Welcome to the forum, MRisos-

Could this be your problem? It's Q 6.3 from the AutoGK FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72679):
6.3 I used to use old XviD and now I switched to XviD 1.0. Since then I _always_ have _very_ undersized/oversized files. What's the problem?
- old XviD has to be uninstalled properly, i.e. just installing new 1.0 over it is not a proper way. Try uninstalling old one, then reinstalling new one.

[MRisos]

Originally posted by manono
Welcome to the forum, MRisos-

Could this be your problem? It's Q 6.3 from the AutoGK FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72679):

Hi, thank you :) It fixed my problem. Sorry i hadnt read the faq before posting.:(

[((( atom )))]

ok, now it is time for me to check out file input mode. i came across a film wich is split onto two dvds and i'd like to convert it in one session as one file.

so what would be the smartest way to do that?

i am worried about the audio-part mostly, i see synch issues troubling me already..

could someone pls give me a short explanation of how the audio is detected, as an external file? from within the vob? ...?

[len0x]

Originally posted by calinb
Fits just fine in the 720p output to my Sammy from my HTPC:D I like it the way it is now.

Tell me something. If you were to have a low resolution HTPC then (when you can't see the whole window) - would having shorcuts help or not?

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
could someone pls give me a short explanation of how the audio is detected, as an external file? from within the vob? ...?

Audio is always demuxed by DGIndex. If you want to queue up several files for one job - just name them with _1, _2 in the end and they will be picked up (in file mode only first audio will be demuxed). Audio synch may be an issue, but may be its gonna be ok. That depends on the source...

[btothec2]

Originally posted by len0x
Tell me something. If you were to have a low resolution HTPC then (when you can't see the whole window) - would having shorcuts help or not?

len0x

As a matter of fact, now that I think of it, it was very hard to use it, as parts were off screen. What I ended up doing, is logging in through remote admin.

B

[ydobon]

Hello there.

Originally posted by len0x
Tell me something. If you were to have a low resolution HTPC then (when you can't see the whole window) - would having shorcuts help or not?

Actually I was thinking in asking something similar, but not for the same reason.

I seem to remember you've said you don't plan to add command-line switches to AutoGK. In an effort to batch encode I've used macro tools (such as Macro Scheduler) to emulate keyboard and mouse events. It's usually easier to use just keys, so keyboard shortcuts would be most welcomed.

Also if the input field was editable, that would be great.

Even if all the buttons were into the tab/shift+tab cycle it would be good enough.


Regards,

[calinb]

Originally posted by len0x
Tell me something. If you were to have a low resolution HTPC then (when you can't see the whole window) - would having shorcuts help or not? IMHO, I think shortcuts are fine as an alternative for low res screens. The remote desktop features of Windows (either remote desktop connection on XP or through Netmeeting, which is available all the way back to ME, at the least) is also worth a look for users trying to control low-res HTPCs remotely.

[Outerspacelord]

From AutoGK v1.30 beta I suppose I should read "- resizing algorithm changed heavily to accomodate upcoming support for different input sources (ITU standard is no longer applied)" as it goes for all sources (input directory too)? ITU standard is no longer applied at all?

And am I reading it right if I translate the info in Gordian Knot: "But actually this will result in an aspect ratio that is ~2.5% off!", that ticking the 'ITU standard' makes an aspect ratio that is ~2.5% off?

And to <manono> I have to say sorry for my english and my use of , and . and ... :cool:

thx

Edit: had to edit cause of some strange ,,,... and difficult english hehe

[len0x]

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
ITU standard is no longer applied at all?


yes

Originally posted by Outerspacelord
And am I reading it right if I translate the info in Gordian Knot: "But actually this will result in an aspect ratio that is ~2.5% off!", that ticking the 'ITU standard' makes an aspect ratio that is ~2.5% off?


Yes, but all recent test by many ppl showed that they would be happier with no ITU resizing.

P.S. No-ITU resizing method for 4:3 sources was used in AutoGK almost from the beginning.

[Outerspacelord]

Originally posted by len0x
Yes, but all recent test by many ppl showed that they would be happier with no ITU resizing.

Me too, I'm happy ... and thx for quick answere as usual.

I don't know if it's because english is not my native language, but could I propose that the info in GK change a bit since my eyes crossed reading that sentence over and over again. It first states that "It's recommended to leave this checked." and then reads "But actually this will result in an aspect ratio that is ~2.5% off! ...". Oh, those hard decisions hehe. I read the sticky "Resolutions, Aspect Ratios And The ITU-R BT.601 Standard" by <manono>, and in a way the info in GK is just the short version of how my confusion was...until now. So for new users it may be good to tell plainly what really is recommend? Tell them that if they tick the "ITU Standard" peoples faces will get flat wide ~2.5% off, which is a nice effect for a plugin :)

[jebus]

@ len0x,

nice job, but just 1 Q:

Have had trouble with audio-synching, is there a way to synch it using only autoGK?

It works really great, done 'bout 5 movies the last 20 hours without any prob.

[len0x]

Originally posted by jebus
Have had trouble with audio-synching, is there a way to synch it using only autoGK?


Not really. What kind of issues do you have ?

[len0x]

Nothing major. Mostly GUI/shortcuts stuff.

[QNX]

len0x

nice strike 10x

now i can't run autogk

1.42b giving me an error


runtime error 216 at 0040357E

like it was with HT earlier as i remember :D

compatibility mode giving the same result

:sly:

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
like it was with HT earlier as i remember :D


hm... may be directx library screwed something up (I started building support for DV sources). I'll remove them in the next version. So stick to 1.41 in the meantime...

[((( atom )))]

wow - i figured the most amazing hidden option: autogk can even translate languages! ;)

i decided to try subtitels for the first time with the movie "in the mood for love (wong kar wai)".
i chose german subtitles and got the netherland ones.

very nice feature, indeed, but serios again: what went wrong?

i opened the ifo in vobsub and found 3 instances of german subtitles. the first appereance was "11 german". i checked it shortly and they were german alright, so i didn't care about the other two instances yet.

stream inforation.txt says:

0x21 - Subtitle - Français / LBA: 156 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x22 - Subtitle - Nederlands / LBA: 154 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x23 - Subtitle - English / LBA: 6 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x24 - Subtitle - Italiano / LBA: 4 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x25 - Subtitle - Deutsch / LBA: 14 / PTS: 00:00:00.448 / Delay: 360ms
0x26 - Subtitle - Greek / LBA: 12 / PTS: 00:00:00.448 / Delay: 360ms
0x27 - Subtitle - Deutsch / LBA: 10 / PTS: 00:00:00.368 / Delay: 280ms
0x28 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 8 / PTS: 00:00:00.368 / Delay: 280ms
0x29 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 144 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x2A - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 142 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x2B - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 4943 / PTS: 00:00:09.448 / Delay: 9360ms
0x2C - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 4941 / PTS: 00:00:09.448 / Delay: 9360ms
0x2D - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 4900 / PTS: 00:00:09.488 / Delay: 9400ms
0x2E - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 4898 / PTS: 00:00:09.488 / Delay: 9400ms
0x2F - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 3 / PTS: 00:00:00.368 / Delay: 280ms
0x30 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 2 / PTS: 00:00:00.368 / Delay: 280ms
0x31 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 148 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x32 - Subtitle - Español / LBA: 146 / PTS: 00:00:00.288 / Delay: 200ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Chinese / LBA: 53 / PTS: 00:00:00.088 / Delay: 0ms
0x81 - Audio - AC3 / 6ch / 48kHz / DRC / Deutsch / LBA: 52 / PTS: 00:00:00.088 / Delay: 0ms
0x82 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / Español / LBA: 54 / PTS: 00:00:00.088 / Delay: 0ms
0x83 - Audio - AC3 / 2ch / 48kHz / DRC / Chinese / LBA: 51 / PTS: 00:00:00.088 / Delay: 0ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Pan-Scan & Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.088 / Delay: 0ms

and "deutsch - german" is not at line #11 but i really don't know how to interprete the codes given in this file.


investigated a lill further and opened the .sub file autogk generated in vobsub and the subs found were 05 - nederlands.


..just thought i'd let you know. hope my posting makes sense, i am awfully tired.

/nite

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
and "deutsch - german" is not at line #11 but i really don't know how to interprete the codes given in this file.


DVDDecrypter screwed up (IFO parsing code). This happens, nothing we can do here...

[len0x]

does anyone else have problem starting 1.42b (runtime error)?

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
DVDDecrypter screwed up (IFO parsing code). This happens, nothing we can do here... ok, thx for letting me know..

[Hesse]

I seem to be getting undersized files again for some reason (using Xvid 1.0.1). Not all of my encodes are undersized though. I'm currently using AutoGK 1.42b, but its happened in 1.41b also. Everything was working previously (1.35b).

I don't think its the FAQ 6.3 because everything has been working until recently. And not all movies are undersized, just certain ones. The same thing is happening in the latest GK alpha (0.31).

Anyone else having this problem or is it just a codec problem on my system. I tried uninstalling Xvid and reinstalling it, no luck. Would any logs help out?

Thanks,

Jesse

On an unrelated note, would changing the autocrop threshold help me with a cropping problem I have. I am trying to encode eps of Angel, and I am getting a green line on the left hand side of the picture. I notice this line also when using the regular GK's autocrop (2 pixels on left). If I go with 4 pixels, the line goes away.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by Hesse
I seem to be getting undersized files again for some reason (using Xvid 1.0.1).

Question: when you get undersized files, are you using File Input rather than DVD Input?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hesse
I seem to be getting undersized files again for some reason (using Xvid 1.0.1).


I need to see the logs...

Originally posted by Hesse
On an unrelated note, would changing the autocrop threshold help me with a cropping problem I have. I am trying to encode eps of Angel, and I am getting a green line on the left hand side of the picture. I notice this line also when using the regular GK's autocrop (2 pixels on left). If I go with 4 pixels, the line goes away.

Yes, it would. Would mind telling me which eps of Angel have this issue?

[len0x]

If you have runtime error on 1.42 startup - you might try this version:

http://len0x.leffe.dnsalias.com/AutoGK.zip

I removed directx reference and recompiled it with new update for Delphi.

P.S. @QNX - is any of these dlls are missing on your system:
ole32.dll
quartz.dll
msdmo.dll
Ksuser.dll
Ksproxy.ax
DSound.dll
DDraw.dll
d3d9.dll
If yes, then we might have found the problem...

[Hesse]

Yes, it would. Would mind telling me which eps of Angel have this issue?

The only ones I've tried so far are eps 1x01 - 1x04 (Season 1, Disc 1). There's a green line on the left edge. Also, eps 2 and 3 seem to be very problematic (or at least the most noticable). There are parts that come out looking very bad with interlacing artifacts. If I encode with deinterlacing with TomsMoComp in GK it looks better on these ones.

I need to see the logs...

I used the "DVD input". Here is the AutoGK log. Need any others? I was encoding with no audio. I set the file to come out at 1717 MB and it came out as 1581 MB (1,657,817,088 bytes)

AutoGK Log
-----------------------------------------------------------
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] AutoGK 1.42b
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Job started.
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Input dir: H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Output file: H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\FORYOUREYESONLY_1.avi
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Subtitles: none
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Codec: XviD
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Target size: 1717Mb
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Started encoding.
[6/25/2004 7:26:41 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[6/25/2004 7:28:41 AM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[6/25/2004 7:28:41 AM] Source resolution: 720x480
[6/25/2004 7:28:41 AM] Found NTSC source.
[6/25/2004 7:28:41 AM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Found 183615 frames
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Credits start frame: 225405
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Credits quality percentage: 20
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Overhead: 0 bytes (0.00 Mb)
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Video size: 1,800,404,992 bytes (1717.00 Mb)
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Running compressibility test.
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Writing the following script to H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\FORYOUREYESONLY_1.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34)
Undot()
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[6/25/2004 7:28:42 AM] Writing the following script to H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\gk_tmp\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_comptest.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\gk_tmp\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_comptest.avi");
===========================================================
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Duration was: 7 minutes 46 seconds
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Speed was: 19.69 fps.
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 105.16
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Chosen resolution is: 720x320 ( AR: 2.25 )
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 97.68
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Running first pass.
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Writing the following script to H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\undot.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\FORYOUREYESONLY_1.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34)
Undot()
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
===========================================================
[6/25/2004 7:36:28 AM] Writing the following script to H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\gk_tmp\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1.avi");
===========================================================
[6/25/2004 9:20:09 AM] Duration was: 1 hour, 43 minutes 40 seconds
[6/25/2004 9:20:09 AM] Speed was: 29.52 fps.
[6/25/2004 9:20:09 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 102.14
[6/25/2004 9:20:09 AM] Running second pass.
[6/25/2004 9:20:09 AM] Writing the following script to H:\DVD\FORYOUREYESONLY\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\gk_tmp\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1_movie.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x64697678,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("H:\\DVD\\FORYOUREYESONLY\\FORYOUREYESONLY_1.avi");
===========================================================
[6/25/2004 11:49:52 AM] Duration was: 2 hours 29 minutes 42 seconds
[6/25/2004 11:49:52 AM] Speed was: 20.44 fps.
[6/25/2004 11:49:52 AM] Job finished.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[len0x]

@Hesse

Your movie is maxed out - comp test is larger than 100%. Of course you'll get undersized movie!

About Angel - is it PAL or NTSC version ?

*Edit* I've tried PAL version and inded its quite bad source, but kerneldeint works quite ok with threshold 4 or 5 (AutoGK uses default 10). Its impossible to deal with every single source with just one setting... And I didn't manage to reproduce green line thing...

[Hesse]

Originally posted by len0x
@Hesse

Your movie is maxed out - comp test is larger than 100%. Of course you'll get undersized movie!

About Angel - is it PAL or NTSC version ?

*Edit* I've tried PAL version and inded its quite bad source, but kerneldeint works quite ok with threshold 4 or 5 (AutoGK uses default 10). Its impossible to deal with every single source with just one setting... And I didn't manage to reproduce green line thing...

Oh, silly me. I didn't even think of that. I'll check some of the other undersized ones and see if that is the case for them as well. Thanks for pointing that out.

For Angel, it was the NTSC version. I can reproduce the green line in the regular GK with kerneldeint. If I choose autocrop, it determines 0 pixels for left, and 2 for right. If I preview, I see green line on left side. If I change left crop to 2 or 4, then green line is gone. I'm trying to encode it again in AutoGK with a different threshold for autocrop. Does a lower number mean it will crop more?

Is it possible to add option for changing the kerneldeint threshold? I have problems with Mystery Science Theater DVDs as well. I have to deinterlace in GK for those. I believe the source for those are quite bad as well.

[QNX]

Originally posted by len0x
If you have runtime error on 1.42 startup - you might try this version:

http://len0x.leffe.dnsalias.com/AutoGK.zip

I removed directx reference and recompiled it with new update for Delphi.

P.S. @QNX - is any of these dlls are missing on your system:
ole32.dll
quartz.dll
msdmo.dll
Ksuser.dll
Ksproxy.ax
DSound.dll
DDraw.dll
d3d9.dll
If yes, then we might have found the problem...

all these dll's are present in system32 folder :P

and this build working fine now

[Carraway]

len0x, I have no clue if you're aware of this, or if it's deliberate, or whatever, but in File Mode you can enter any filename regardless of whether it exists or not, and AutoGK will accept it -- i.e. you can choose an AVI to save it to, add the job, etc. Only when you run the job and DGIndex hangs will there be any indication the file doesn't exist. So basically I'm saying AutoGK provides no error message when you choose a file that isn't there in File Mode, and that's sorta weird, right?

Also, this may be a crazy suggestion and feel free to shoot it down, but it'd be cool if when you selected, say, "test.vob" that AutoGK would then select by default an output file of "test.avi" in the input directory. BesweetGUI can do this with audio conversions and I kinda like it. Saves a great deal of time when encoding like 25 VOB files at once. Just a thought.

[TheChosn]

Dear autogk author,

I would be very happy if your program would run under win xp 64 as well as under normal xp, as i have heard that 64bit might almost double the encoding speed (with a 64bit optimized version of virtualdub which I believe will soon be there).
That would be very nice for the growing number of AMD64 owners out there.

Here some logs (didn't work with xvid as well):

#1

[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] AutoGK 1.42b
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] OS: WinUnknown (5.2.3790).2 \\this is 64bit enhanced version of winxp beta 1184 (latest)
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Job started.
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Input dir: D:\Other\x\VIDEO_TS
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Output file: D:\Other\x\VIDEO_TS\aaa.avi
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Audio: Deutsch
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Subtitles: none
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Codec: DivX
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Target size: 700Mb
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Custom audio settings: CBR MP3 with bitrate: 160Kbps
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Started encoding.
[6/26/2004 9:47:09 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[6/26/2004 9:51:33 AM] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[6/26/2004 9:51:33 AM] Source resolution: 720x576
[6/26/2004 9:51:33 AM] Found PAL source.
[6/26/2004 9:51:33 AM] Analyzing source.
[6/26/2004 9:57:50 AM] Source is considered to be progressive.
[6/26/2004 9:57:50 AM] Found 196721 frames
[6/26/2004 9:57:50 AM] Encoding audio.
[6/26/2004 10:07:03 AM] Audio size: 157,381,568 bytes (150.09 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:07:03 AM] Overhead: 7,158,656 bytes (6.83 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:07:03 AM] Video size: 569,462,976 bytes (543.08 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:07:03 AM] Target bitrate is: 579kbps
[6/26/2004 10:07:03 AM] Running compressibility test.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Range check error
*************************************
[6/26/2004 10:07:04 AM] Job finished.


#2

VirtualDub Error

Avisynth open failure:
Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
in gk_tmp\x_comptest.avs, line 19

[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] AutoGK 1.42b
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] OS: WinUnknown (5.2.3790).2
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Job started.
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Input dir: D:\Other\x2\VIDEO_TS
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Output file: D:\Other\x2\VIDEO_TS\x.avi
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Audio: English
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Subtitles: none
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Codec: XviD
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Target size: 700Mb
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Custom audio settings: AC3
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Started encoding.
[6/26/2004 10:11:26 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[6/26/2004 10:14:04 AM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[6/26/2004 10:14:04 AM] Source resolution: 720x576
[6/26/2004 10:14:04 AM] Found PAL source.
[6/26/2004 10:14:04 AM] Analyzing source.
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Source is considered to be progressive.
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Found 214140 frames
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Audio size: 411,147,264 bytes (392.10 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Overhead: 1,427,584 bytes (1.36 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Video size: 321,428,352 bytes (306.54 Mb)
[6/26/2004 10:21:10 AM] Running compressibility test.
[6/26/2004 10:24:24 AM] Duration was: 3 minutes 12 seconds
[6/26/2004 10:24:24 AM] Speed was: 55.54 fps.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "D:\Other\x2\VIDEO_TS\gk_tmp\frames.log". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[6/26/2004 10:24:24 AM] Job finished.


Greetz TheChosn

[len0x]

Originally posted by TheChosn

I would be very happy if your program would run under win xp 64 as well as under normal xp, as i have heard that 64bit might almost double the encoding speed (with a 64bit optimized version of virtualdub which I believe will soon be there).
That would be very nice for the growing number of AMD64 owners out there.


As AutoGK relies on many other programs for encoding - its impossible to make it work on XP64 if they don't support it. It lloks to me like its avisynth/filters problems. As soon as XP64 is released I'm sure tool will support it much faster than now...

P.S. for range check error you might wanna have a look ta FAQ 6.8

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
So basically I'm saying AutoGK provides no error message when you choose a file that isn't there in File Mode, and that's sorta weird, right?


will fix that

Originally posted by Carraway

Also, this may be a crazy suggestion and feel free to shoot it down, but it'd be cool if when you selected, say, "test.vob" that AutoGK would then select by default an output file of "test.avi" in the input directory.

I can do that for file mode as well

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
standing by for updates to hidden options tool :D

I e-mailed v-0.7 to you today, Sorry it took so long, new job has been a major disruption to normal life...

--------
History:
--------

v-0.7 (June 26, 2004)
----------------------
-Added .autocrop support:

-first line is a threshold 0-255 (AutoGk uses 34 by deafault)
-second line is number of frames to examine (AutoGK uses 10 by default)

[calinb]

Originally posted by len0x
Some HTPC ppl would like to see main screen of the AutoGK not more than 640x480.
<snip>I tried a couple of versions of remote desktop with AutoGK. If there's a lot of interest in this subject, we should start a new thread rather than drift off-topic. However, I'd like to report that remote desktop is a workaround for networked lo-res HTPCs and AutoGK, if you don't like using the key mappings.

There are three different ways to do Remote Desktop with Windows:

1. Remote Desktop connection
2. Netmeeting
3. Remote Desktop Web Connection

They are all different ways to control your PC remotely from another Windows machine. I tried #1 and #2 above with AutoGK.

For #1, the HTPC host should be running XP-Pro because the host software is a built-in feature and relies on Terminal Services. Remote Desktop host can also run on Win2k or NT and the necessary Terminal Services are included in the "Terminal Server Edition" distri's.

The client software can be downloaded from MS and run on all Windows versions back to Win95.

The advantage of #1 is the session inherits the resolution of your client PC. Even if you host HTPC is running 640x460 mode, you can have a higher res desktop, if the client is running higher res.

For #2, you don't need Terminal Services. Just download Netmeeting from Microsoft and install it on both the host and client machines. You must enable "remote desktop sharing" capability in the setup options. AFAIK, the downside of Netmeeting, compared to option #1, is you are stuck with the res of the host PC. However, you could set your HTPC to a higher res, that may be too high to be useful on your HTPC televsion, and run AutoGK remotely. Just set it back when you're finished. Also deactivate "Remote Desktop Sharing" on the host PC when you're not using it because it uses the video hardware overlay and much of your video DSFs and other program (like WinDVD) won't run properly when it's enabled. Non-overlay video rendering works well enough to run DVD2AVI, DGIndex, Vdub, etc. and maybe some players, if you have a machine that's fast enough w/o the overlay.

There's much info on the MS site. Here's another link for FAQ and HOWTO:
http://labmice.techtarget.com/windowsxp/NetworkingXP/remote_desktop.htm

Hope this helps!

[rotvel]

Hi, thanks for a great tool.

I was wondering, is there a hidden option or some other workaround that makes it possible to adjust the placement of burnt-in subtitles. I have run into a few dvd's where they are placed almost in the middle of the screen, and it looks rather bad :-)

If not consider this a feature request.

Regards /max

[manono]

Hi-

It's easy to adjust the height of the subs. After running the Preview to have a look at the subs, and if you decide they're too high, then open the .idx file in Notepad. Where you see this line:

# Origin, relative to the upper-left corner, can be overloaded by aligment
org: 0, 0

Raise the bold-faced number to 40 or 50 to bring the subs down a lot, or a lower number to bring them down less. Then save the .idx, and open the .avs in VDubMod again to make sure they're OK. Then Save the Job and start the encoding process.

But, AutoGK is going to make the subs all over again, so while it's encoding the audio, or running the compress test, do it again for the final .idx file. I think that'll work for you.

[rotvel]

It worked quite nicely, thanks a lot.

Perhaps you should start a "How-To" supplement to the FAQ, a collection of more advanced AutoGK procedures. This explanation is certainly worth including.

Regards /max

[((( atom )))]

@len0x

i ran into several black and white encodes recently wich have colour-artifacts on patterns, e.g. in clothing or window-blinds. how about a switch or the possibility to enforce xvid's (dunno about divx) option for b/w encoding. that would surely match up with the .mono option, wich i found usefull already sometimes.

another thought:
what do you think about an option for the quality-threshhold? i recently compared a movie (brazil) wich i encoded a while ago with 608 width with a new autogk encode. autogk chose 640 res. and i amlost don't dare to say that the 608 encode was a bit more detailed due to less artifacts.
having a switch one could force a higher quality with reduced res. wich would be extremely usefull for encoding of old or generally difficult to compress movies.
old movies especially tend to have less sharpness and don't really make use of the 720 res. a dvd offers, so one wouldn't loose anything by lowering the res. but gain less artifacts. -> nice, or?

[manono]

Hi atom-

I think you can do what you want already. Are you using therealjoeblow's nifty utility to get your Mono audio when needed? You can also use it to greyscale the whole movie. Just check the greyscale box, start credits compression at frame number zero (or later if there's a colored studio logo at the beginning of the film), and set credits quality for 100%. If the movie is old, then there aren't much for end credits that you'll want to compress further anyway. It'll only work for XviD, but that's fine with you, isn't it?

I don't think I can help with your second question. And I don't know if you have the logs for both encodes to help me or len0x to figure out why the 2 movies turned out so differently. One thing you could do is to run both of them through DRF Analyzer to see what you can learn about the differences. The average quants and whether B-Frames were used for both are a couple of things to look for.

[AlmanNewfred]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
[B]@len0x
another thought:
what do you think about an option for the quality-threshhold? i recently compared a movie (brazil) wich i encoded a while ago with 608 width with a new autogk encode. autogk chose 640 res. and i amlost don't dare to say that the 608 encode was a bit more detailed due to less artifacts.

You know, I've been thinking that the overall quality of my encodes has been lower despite the higher resolutions after the quality threshold was lowered, but I was hesitant to say anything since I haven't really given it a good test yet...

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
You know, I've been thinking that the overall quality of my encodes has been lower despite the higher resolutions after the quality threshold was lowered

True if you compare directly two movies with diff resolutions. Of course smaller will look better. But for full screen stretch I don't think it would be that obvious. When I lowered quality - it was because I think with XviD 1.0 rips are getting too good, if you may :) I mean 80% quality is always better than 70% for instance, but it would be a waste of bitrate. In my subjective opinion 65% is enough quality (actually I can make it 66% to make sure average quant is always less then three).

Special option for minimum quality indeed would help in case you really wanna have a high-quality encode with a given target size. I'll think about it, but no promices.

[((( atom )))]

@manono
maybe my post wasn't that clear: i compared an old handmade rip of mine with a recently made autogk rip, so there could be plenty of reasons for the different quality. nevermind actually, since autogk does a very good job in choosing the settings and i think it was really just a matter of resolution.

about the greyscale option: thx a lot for the hint, i didin't use the tool. i used the .mono file, wich is quite handy: once you have one, you just copy it to the accoring folders and thats it. i'll check out the tool for the b/w option. can i achieve it manually, somehow?
[/edit]
just checked the tool and i can use credits compression in b/w, but i'd have to choose a fixed quality for the encode of the credits, so if i applied it to the entire movie, i would get a fixed quant encode as i understand..
[/edit]

@len0x
i always go for higher quality since sometimes i happen to visit friends with projectors and those really boost artifacts due to projection size and the way they work compared to a vga-monitor. also my tv takes vga in and is very picky on artifacs and details as well.

what i could watch by comparing the two rips is interesting anyway, though: the smaller movie just had more details, so when streched to full screen the smaller movie should still be the winner, or? i see no gain in higher resolution, if details are covered by artifacts.
any kind of switch for setting the threshhold would be sweeet. :)

[AlmanNewfred]

Originally posted by len0x
True if you compare directly two movies with diff resolutions. Of course smaller will look better. But for full screen stretch I don't think it would be that obvious.
I do get the impression of lower overall quality watching full screen, but I could be wrong. I'll shut up about it until I actually do a test or two of the same DVD at different resolutions.

Special option for minimum quality indeed would help in case you really wanna have a high-quality encode with a given target size. I'll think about it, but no promices.
I was thinking of an option to change the target quality from 65 to whatever, not necessarily to set the minimum quality.

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
I was thinking of an option to change the target quality from 65 to whatever, not necessarily to set the minimum quality.

Well, target quality is minimum quality :)

[AlmanNewfred]

Originally posted by len0x
Well, target quality is minimum quality :)
Really? Sometimes I get qualities less than 65. My last movie for example ended up about 55.

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
Really? Sometimes I get qualities less than 65. My last movie for example ended up about 55.

well its lowered to 55 if resolution is about to drop below 608 for widescreen movies or 512 for 4:3 movies. Also prediction is still prediction - what you really get is percentage after the first pass.

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
I e-mailed v-0.7 to you today

still didn't get the attach in the email :)
(or it got cut off on the way).

[len0x]

mostly cosmetic stuff plus better handling of transport streams.

[manono]

atom-

can i achieve it manually, somehow?

Yes, but someone else will have to tell you how to set up the .credits file, because I can't remember.

...but i'd have to choose a fixed quality for the encode of the credits...

That's right. And the quality is by percentage, and not quant. So if you choose 100%, then the whole movie is done at full quality.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
mostly cosmetic stuff plus better handling of transport streams.

- if TS has a proper PMT/PAT tables then audio streams of the first program displayed in the GUI

Sorry, as non-english spoken fellow, I don't understand the words
in change list (on Page 1, Version history 1.43b)

TS = Transport Stream?

Never mind, will do try and error method, to overcome the miracles :o :D

Cheers

Taurus

sometimes words got in his way, but he never gave up....

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by manono
That's right. And the quality is by percentage, and not quant. So if you choose 100%, then the whole movie is done at full quality. doesn't fixed quality make fixed quant? :confused:
..but either way i couldn't control the size of it. well, it's not _that_ important after all.

btw i succeeded in doing a 2 dvd movie in one run as one file without sync. problems. another movie like that desynced badly. the synced one had -80ms audio on both dvds. the unsynced one differed by 20ms and ended up being badly out of sync.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
Sorry, as non-english spoken fellow, I don't understand the words
in change list (on Page 1, Version history 1.43b)

TS = Transport Stream?


yes, but it has nothing to do with english :) Ppl who don't know what TS is don't need use that option :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
doesn't fixed quality make fixed quant? :confused:


not in the Zones - its relative quality comparing to the other parts of movie...

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
not in the Zones - its relative quality comparing to the other parts of movie... hmm, so what exactly would happen if i used it for the entire movie? kinda confused now..

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
yes, but it has nothing to do with english :) Ppl who don't know what TS is don't need use that option :)

Sorry, I was just a little confused by how you used the words. ;)
TS = Tansport Stream
PAT = Program Association Table
PMT = Program Map Table

Cheers

Taurus

a useless reply

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
hmm, so what exactly would happen if i used it for the entire movie? kinda confused now..

essential reading is here (C11): http://www.vslcatena.nl/~ronald/docs/xvidfaq.html

AutoGK uses Zones mechanism to encode credits. By specifying starting frame 0 you're forcing it to use Zone for the whole movie (and therefore greyscale encoding will be applied to it). Weight in the Zones is what AutoGK is calling quality.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
AutoGK uses Zones mechanism to encode credits. By specifying starting frame 0 you're forcing it to use Zone for the whole movie (and therefore greyscale encoding will be applied to it). Weight in the Zones is what AutoGK is calling quality. ok, got that right now. thx for the info. any chance you might implement it sometimes as a switch or a .bw file to take care of the hole movie for convenience?

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
- output file name is completed automatically in file mode

Yay! This makes inputing seasons of TV eps so, so much easier. Thanks a bunch len0x.

Having said that, I have a bug report and another possible request :)

First the bug report: I'm unable to use "Preview" twice without reloading the Input clip. I found this when I previewed once, then tried to adjust the width and preview again. It gives me this error (I'm posting the entire log just so you can see that it worked once, and then failed):

[6/28/2004 5:11:59 PM] AutoGK 1.43b
[6/28/2004 5:11:59 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[6/28/2004 5:11:59 PM] Job started.
[6/28/2004 5:11:59 PM] Indexing input for preview.
[6/28/2004 5:12:02 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[6/28/2004 5:12:02 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[6/28/2004 5:12:02 PM] Found NTSC source.
[6/28/2004 5:12:02 PM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[6/28/2004 5:12:02 PM] Job finished.
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] AutoGK 1.43b
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] Job started.
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Unknown source FPS.
*************************************
[6/28/2004 5:12:05 PM] Job finished.


The error doesn't depend on changing the width, that's just how I stumbled upon it. This happens with both DVD and File inputs.

Second, I have yet another request (sorry). Would it be possible to include a .deint as an opposite route to .ivtc? I have a couple documentaries that are hybrid, and applying any kind of threshold value just makes the FILM and NTSC material equally poor-looking.

[Master Ninja]

Just testing out the program now, looks nice! One quick question, though:

I'm trying to rip a DVD of TV episodes, where each episode was one chapter of an entire PGC section. I ripped each one to a separate VOB file, but if I try to select the directory as DVD input, I can't specify separate output files. If I try to select the files individually, it keeps displaying "Unknown Audio Track". Is there any way around this?

[buzzqw]

first log

[29/06/2004 8.04.40] AutoGK 1.43b
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Job started.
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Input file: DreamBox.ts
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Output file: D:\DreamBox.avi
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Audio: MPEG2 Audio on PID 0x992
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Subtitles: none
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Codec: XviD
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Target size: 2Mb
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Started encoding.
[29/06/2004 8.04.40] Demuxing and indexing.
[29/06/2004 8.04.41] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[29/06/2004 8.04.41] Source resolution: 480x576
[29/06/2004 8.04.41] Found PAL source.
[29/06/2004 8.04.41] Analyzing source.
[29/06/2004 8.04.41] Writing the following script to D:\gk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("D:\\gk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\gk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
[29/06/2004 8.04.44] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 0,00
[29/06/2004 8.04.44] Source is considered to be progressive.
[29/06/2004 8.04.44] Found 262 frames
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.
*************************************

it is a small ts clip. while autogk find audio ([29/06/2004 8.04.40] Audio: MPEG2 Audio on PID 0x992) and demux it ,say EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.
link to ts www.64k.it/andres/DreamBox.ts (5mb)

Thanks

BHH

[len0x]

Originally posted by Master Ninja
I ripped each one to a separate VOB file, but if I try to select the directory as DVD input, I can't specify separate output files.

What do you mean by "can't"? You should rip then into separate directories, not files. Keep in mind that subs will be unavailable for second and later epsodes.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
I have a couple documentaries that are hybrid, and applying any kind of threshold value just makes the FILM and NTSC material equally poor-looking.

You're saying that deinterlacing makes FILM parts looks ok? I don't believe that. What's FILM percentage of the source?

P.S. what does your avatar say ? :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw
it is a small ts clip. while autogk find audio ([29/06/2004 8.04.40] Audio: MPEG2 Audio on PID 0x992) and demux it ,say EXCEPTION: Audio is not found.
link to ts www.64k.it/andres/DreamBox.ts (5mb)


Thanks. I know how to fix that.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
You're saying that deinterlacing makes FILM parts looks ok? I don't believe that. What's FILM percentage of the source?

Maybe it's because I'm used to FILM material being broadcast at 29.97, but it looks fine to me. Obviously it doesn't look nearly as good as if it were IVTCed, but when the framerate is 29.97 there's only so much you can do to salvage the FILM material. Simply deinterlacing it preserves some of the smoothness and doesn't arbitrarily attempt to blend frames the way using threshold does. I think.

But having said that, my point in asking for the .deint had less to do with the FILM parts and more with the NTSC parts. At 29.97 the FILM matierial will look poor at basically any threshold, but the NTSC material is native to 29.97 and looks perfect when simply deinterlaced. But once a threshold of any kind is applied, the interlaced material becomes jerky and unsightly. I'm not a fan of the threshold values for hybrid clips because I think there's minimal quality gain for FILM material and a very obvious detriment to the NTSC parts.

Here's the analysis part of the log for your reference (this is from the most recent one I did):

[6/29/2004 6:39:29 AM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 58.73
[6/29/2004 6:39:29 AM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 45.47
[6/29/2004 6:39:29 AM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 9.66
[6/29/2004 6:39:29 AM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 44.87
[6/29/2004 6:39:29 AM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly NTSC).

P.S. I'm a tv nut, so my avatar is the screen caps of the 'written by' credits of my three favorite television geniuses: Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin & Amy Sherman-Palladino. :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
First the bug report: I'm unable to use "Preview" twice without reloading the Input clip. I found this when I previewed once, then tried to adjust the width and preview again. It gives me this error (I'm posting the entire log just so you can see that it worked once, and then failed):


I can't reproduce this... Is it only on one source ?
Can you post the header of d2v file made when error occurs, please?

[len0x]

Another minor update. Still polishing support for TS :)
Plus a couple of new hidden options :D

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
I can't reproduce this... Is it only on one source ?
Can you post the header of d2v file made when error occurs, please?

I've messed around with it since my last post and it apparently only happens with pure FILM material.

The header of a D2V file in which the error occured:

DGIndexProjectFile06
1
15 D:\DVD\test.vob

Stream_Type=1
iDCT_Algorithm=5 (1:MMX 2:SSEMMX 3:FPU 4:REF 5:SSE2MMX)
YUVRGB_Scale=1 (0:TVScale 1:PCScale)
Luminance_Filter=0,0 (Gamma, Offset)
Clipping=0,0,0,0 (ClipLeft, ClipRight, ClipTop, ClipBottom)
Aspect_Ratio=16:9
Picture_Size=720x480
Field_Operation=1 (0:None 1:ForcedFILM 2:RawFrames)
Frame_Rate=23976
Location=0,0,0,27A1

If I change the Frame_Rate field to 29970 and re-save it, then it will play again (without re-indexing) -- but only once, then I have to make the change again if I want to preview it again.

EDIT:

Oh, btw....

Originally posted by len0x
Plus a couple of new hidden options :D

Len0x, you're swell :)

[len0x]

silent update was done wo 1.44 just now as I broke deinterlacing if new ".kerneldeint" file is used :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
If I change the Frame_Rate field to 29970 and re-save it, then it will play again (without re-indexing) -- but only once, then I have to make the change again if I want to preview it again.


Aha, 24fps is not recognized as NTSC framerate for mpeg2 obviously. During first launch of preview this value gets substituted for FILM materials and fails afterwards. I have to revise it for preview purposes...

[buzzqw]

My problem has gone with 1.44b !

Thanks Len0x :)

BHH

[len0x]

Originally posted by buzzqw
My problem has gone with 1.44b !


You sample was actually very useful to me as it contains several audio streams (which AutoGK can handle now). Do you have a sample with several programs in TS ?

[fakey]

Thanks for the great work len0x.
I've got two questions.

a. Is it possible for the AutoGK not to reset the codec settings and use the one that is already present in windows registry?
In that way more advanced codec settings could be possible while not hurting the 'easy job for newbies' scheme.:)

b. Is there any plan for the international support(language conversions) like what is done in GK?
It will do a great help for the newbies to see the program in their native language.

[Hesse]

Originally posted by len0x
Another minor update. Still polishing support for TS :)
Plus a couple of new hidden options :D

len0x,

Let me say you're simply amazing. Thanks so much for adding the .kerneldeint hidden option so quickly!! I love it. I'm going to try it out on my next batch of encodes.

Jesse

[Master Ninja]

Originally posted by len0x
What do you mean by "can't"? You should rip then into separate directories, not files. Keep in mind that subs will be unavailable for second and later epsodes.

Never mind, problem solved :). Awesome work!

[len0x]

Originally posted by fakey

a. Is it possible for the AutoGK not to reset the codec settings and use the one that is already present in windows registry?
In that way more advanced codec settings could be possible while not hurting the 'easy job for newbies' scheme.:)


no, you can totally screw the encoding by that.

Originally posted by fakey

b. Is there any plan for the international support(language conversions) like what is done in GK?
It will do a great help for the newbies to see the program in their native language.

yes, but dunno when though...

[zentaj]

Hi guys,

i got a weird problem. Ever since AutoGK changed from using DVD2AVI to DGMPGDec audio is out of sync. When i use version 1.25 i don't have this problem. any solution guys?

[((( atom )))]

@len0x,

about the min quality idea again:
i just encoded a couple of old movies again and on some i get very visible blocks and edge-ringing.
so i think i can dare to state that the min quality wich is necessary for a rip to be visibly good strongly depends on the source. for old/bad/noisy movies i think it naturally is a bit higher.

do you plan to gift us with a little option to adjust that factor? i'd be happy :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))
for old/bad/noisy movies i think it naturally is a bit higher.


actually no, quite the opposite. You will probably see the same effects in the original source, so for noisy b&w sources I personally (and not only me) accept quality of as low as 50%... It is a waste of space to try and achieve as close result to the original source as possible.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by len0x
actually no, quite the opposite. You will probably see the same effects in the original source, so for noisy b&w sources I personally (and not only me) accept quality of as low as 50%... It is a waste of space to try and achieve as close result to the original source as possible. hmm, that is sad now. so i'll possibly have to switch to gk for all my old movies again. :(

the source btw copes quite well with the noise and all, the encoding really looks worse then the original.
the discussion about really hq rips was started before and i actually understood you'd see some use for that fuction, too. that was why i asked again.

[Carraway]

Question: was having an "average Kbps" option (in 2-pass mode, 1-pass is useless) ever discussed as an additional alternative to target quality? I was ripping basically all the extras off a DVD the other day and I quickly realized that they all varied wildly in compressibility so "target quality" wasn't really an option (not to mention that autosize isn't triggered in % mode), and previewing each individual file to ascertain its length in order to choose an appropriate filesize was sort of time consuming. I wasn't going for exact filesizes so it seemed like an ideal situation for encoding the clips with an average kbps. Has this ever been floated/vetoed as a feature? (Btw, this is probably the least I've ever been invested in a feature request, I'm just asking as a just-out-of-curiosity type thing).

[len0x]

Originally posted by zentaj
i got a weird problem. Ever since AutoGK changed from using DVD2AVI to DGMPGDec audio is out of sync. When i use version 1.25 i don't have this problem.

Please do the following:

- demux audio manually using DVD2AVIdg and DGIndex
- if delays in the filenames are equal then post both log files when converting with 1.25 and latest version.
- if delays are not the same then nothing we can do here.

P.S. try also differet kind of audio (AC3/VBRMP3/CBRMP3)
P.P.S. you seem to be the only one having this problem...
P.P.P.S. is it only one source or all of them?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
Question: was having an "average Kbps" option (in 2-pass mode, 1-pass is useless) ever discussed as an additional alternative to target quality?

may be it was, but having a user which "doesn't care about file size and doesn't care about quality" is too much for such automated tool. Extras are indeed bummer to encode but having an option to encode with bitrate greatly reduces chances of getting a decent quality rip (and ppl WILL use it for main movie rips). So its better not to have it at all...

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
...but having an option to encode with bitrate greatly reduces chances of getting a decent quality rip (and ppl WILL use it for main movie rips). So its better not to have it at all...

That's understandable.

added hints into job list to show settings for each job

This is great. I sometimes sorta freak out after I've just added like 25 VOB's to the queue that I might have accidentally added them with the wrong settings, then I'll delete them and re-queue them just to be sure. This feature will save me a little bit of my sanity. :)

[Black0ut]

can't access the autogk website right now...is it down again?

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Black0ut
can't access the autogk website right now...is it down again?

I can confirm this, hope that len0x noticed it.



Cheers

Taurus

[killingspree]

i can't confirm this... i can access the page as usual!

[len0x]

I have no problems accessing it either. What kind of error do you get?

[Black0ut]

Originally posted by Black0ut
can't access the autogk website right now...is it down again?

Problem seems to be solved...

[zentaj]

Originally posted by len0x
Please do the following:

- demux audio manually using DVD2AVIdg and DGIndex
- if delays in the filenames are equal then post both log files when converting with 1.25 and latest version.
- if delays are not the same then nothing we can do here.

P.S. try also differet kind of audio (AC3/VBRMP3/CBRMP3)
P.P.S. you seem to be the only one having this problem...
P.P.P.S. is it only one source or all of them?

when i manually use DVD2AVIdg it creates delay in the filename but DGIndex doesn't seem to create delay in filename. This is casuing the audio out of sync problem. When i encode with mp3 i don't have this problem. hope someone can help me.

[len0x]

Originally posted by zentaj
when i manually use DVD2AVIdg it creates delay in the filename but DGIndex doesn't seem to create delay in filename. This is casuing the audio out of sync problem. When i encode with mp3 i don't have this problem.

only AC3 has issues then?
What kind of sources are you trying it on ?

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
I have no problems accessing it either. What kind of error do you get?

Just downloaded beta 1.45 from AutoGk Website.
Everything is running ok.

The Message I got when Server was down a few hours ago: "Server not available" (Just for your information).

Cheers

Taurus

[wasco]

Hi, i've started to use AutoGK and I really like the results it produces so far. Sharp images without a hussle, like the program promises! I am interested in knowing on what base the program decides on cropping? I haven't been searching for long in the forums yet so I might have overlooked a similar question/answer.

all with all, congrats on a job well done, great peace of software

[et415]

I can't access the site right now. I get the following error:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

[EjectButton]

with regard to transport streams, is there any way to specify crop dimensions in AutoGK?

for example if the source has the 8 line gray bar at the bottom common to transport streams, is there a way to have AutoGK remove this, but make no other changes to size (no resizing)

like say the source is 1920x1088 and the desired output resolution is 1920x1080, is there any way to crop off the bottom 8 lines, or any way to feed AutoGK something like
Crop(0,0,0,-8)

I just want to apologize in advance if this has already been posted, I tried searching and was lead only to this thread but wasn't able to find the answer I was looking for in the over 100 pages it has now become.

[wasco]

I just want to apologize in advance if this has already been posted, I tried searching and was lead only to this thread but wasn't able to find the answer I was looking for in the over 100 pages it has now become.
I know what you mean, if you use the forum search and it finds a match, it gives you the whole topic and not the topic's subpage where the info actually is. Happy searching that way :-)

[Yo]

I cannot access the AutoGK website to download the new version. I have tried a few times (this evening, about midnight PDT), with two different browsers, and always get the following error message:

------------
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

-------------

I have tried both the direct download link from this forum, and also just typing in www.autogk.net, and always get that error message.

Is there a mirror site where it is also posted?

[gircobain]

Originally posted by wasco
I know what you mean, if you use the forum search and it finds a match, it gives you the whole topic and not the topic's subpage where the info actually is. Happy searching that way :-)
In Search Options, select "Show results as posts"

[Minos]

Originally posted by Yo
------------
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

-------------


I have the same error... 07 July , 10:28

[len0x]

Originally posted by Minos
I have the same error... 07 July , 10:28

they have some problems with mysql for the last two days, but everytime I check the website its OK :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by EjectButton

like say the source is 1920x1088 and the desired output resolution is 1920x1080, is there any way to crop off the bottom 8 lines, or any way to feed AutoGK something like
Crop(0,0,0,-8)


nope... But in most cases you can tune autocrop parameters so that line will be gone (but not in all though).

[len0x]

Originally posted by wasco
I am interested in knowing on what base the program decides on cropping?

Sorry, I don't quite understand this question :)

[sillKotscha]

"the base" is an avisynthfilter called <autocrop> with a default setting for crop_analysis

[len0x]

I wanted to have a stable version by now, but due to the lack of time I still have not completed TS support as I wanted (still waiting for new version of DGMPGDec and didn't have time to play properly with 50/60fps sources and FDecimate). So I'll leave it as it is now and go on holidays in a few days. So you won't hear from me for at least two weeks :D

P.S. 1.46 fixes nasty bug when second audio stream was included even if you don't enable it. (combobox preserve state problem - I knew that its gonna bite me :( ) So please check your encodes done with 1.45.

[len0x]

Just one bug fixed - its been there for a while - weird that noone noticed that before.

[Stebs]

Originally posted by len0x
Just one bug fixed - its been there for a while - weird that noone noticed that before.
- fixed bug: sharp matrix was not used for 1CD or less rips no matter what comp test result was

Well actually AutoGK always did soft filter (the opposite of sharp matrix or am i totally wrong here?) for my 1CD rips so I (and perhaps others) thought this to be always the case with 1Cd-rips...

BTW, happy holiday! :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by Stebs

Well actually AutoGK always did soft filter (the opposite of sharp matrix or am i totally wrong here?) for my 1CD rips so I (and perhaps others) thought this to be always the case with 1Cd-rips...


If comp test result is more than 85-90% for instance you'd want to switch to the sharp one usually (if max resolution is reached or fixed width is used). But in any other case soft one used correctly.

Originally posted by Stebs

BTW, happy holiday! :D

Thanks :D

[Yo]

Originally posted by len0x
nope... But in most cases you can tune autocrop parameters so that line will be gone (but not in all though).

How do you tune autocrop parameters? I see no such setting, see no mention of autocrop on the AutoGK screen. (Not in "Advanced Options" either, other than the width setting.)

Where are the settings for autocrop?

[Taurus]

Originally posted by Yo
Where are the settings for autocrop?

Read the AutoGK FAQ's on Hidden Options, that's where you can find the answers. Or to be a little sarcastic: Read this thread entirely :D
EDIT: Just noticed that the procedure on manipulating autocrop is not mentioned in the FAQs nor in the tuorial. A few pages back it was discussed in this thread. Cos I never used it, I don't remember how to do it(and to lazy for a search) Maybe try the search yourself...

@len0x
Have a nice time on your holidays.
We will miss you.
Let's have a toast and a bottle of Koepi (famous german beer),
and keep up the good work, .....and relax...

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Yo
Where are the settings for autocrop?

have a look at the hidden_options.txt file in the AutoGK dir...

[EjectButton]

Originally posted by len0x
have a look at the hidden_options.txt file in the AutoGK dir... I see the entry you are talking about but I am unsure as to how I can achieve the crop I mentioned earlier

from file-
-------
6) Tune auto crop parameters
.autocrop

First line is a threshold 1-255 (AutoGK uses 34 by default). The less number is the more cropping will be done.
Second line is number of frames to examine (AutoGK uses 10 by default)
e.g.

20
5
-------

In the example I had earlier I was trying to go from 1920x1088 > 1920x1080 by removing the bottom 8 lines but I don't have a good understanding of how the 1-255 threshold value is being used by autogk.

Does anyone have a suggestion for the two .autocrop values that might remove the bottom 8 lines, or know of any values that have worked for them in the past doing something similar?

[gircobain]

I guess that must be done in a try-and-error approach

[Hobojobo]

A hidden-option manual .crop would be very handy, wouldn't it?

[paul_ahb]

I used AutoGK 1.45 last night to encode 1h:30m show that was previously recorded from a DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) using xvid.

VirtualDubMod crashed at the end of each pass (2 passes) requiring me to click on Exit Program. When I did, the process continued as if nothing was wrong.

Unfortunatelly over the period of the show the sound got out of sync 250ms (which is about 2.8ms/minute - the audio was behind the video).

I have run this on two completely different computer systems, with two different recordings, and had the same problem.

This is my first attempt to use AutoGK. Previously I used GK and experienced similar problems.

Has anyone else experienced these problems?
Does anyone have a solution to these problems?
Does anyone else successfully use AutoGK with DVB recordings?

Paul

[EjectButton]

Originally posted by Hobojobo
A hidden-option manual .crop would be very handy, wouldn't it? yea that would pretty much solve my problem, which seems to be common to every transport stream I have worked with.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hobojobo
A hidden-option manual .crop would be very handy, wouldn't it?

I have no plans of adding it since that will require rewriting lots of internal code...

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
Does anyone else successfully use AutoGK with DVB recordings?


I'd like ot have my hands on source you're using. Unfortunately I'll be away for the next couple of weeks, but when I'm back if you're still around I'm interested in working with you on that.

[rmagere]

Just a couple of minor points:
1) I had queue list of 22 jobs and the scrollbars of the job queue were acting funning i.e. they were appearing and disappearing depending on my mouse hovering over them.
2) I had deselected (not deleted) the last 4 jobs as I had to use the computer for some work in order to restart them later on, however I had forgotten that I had also checked the "shutdown when done" option. When autogk finished the encoding of the last selected job it carried out a shutdown - I kind of thought that it would have shutdown only when all the jobs in the queue were actually done.

However as I said they are only minor point (and 2 could be argued that autogk is actually implementing the expected behaviour) so if any of this takes longer than a few secs please disregard my post.

By the way I am using winxp.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
1) I had queue list of 22 jobs and the scrollbars of the job queue were acting funning i.e. they were appearing and disappearing depending on my mouse hovering over them.


this bugs me as well, but I'm unable to solve the problem...

Originally posted by rmagere

2) I had deselected (not deleted) the last 4 jobs as I had to use the computer for some work in order to restart them later on, however I had forgotten that I had also checked the "shutdown when done" option. When autogk finished the encoding of the last selected job it carried out a shutdown - I kind of thought that it would have shutdown only when all the jobs in the queue were actually done.


good point, it probably shouldn't do that :)

[Hobojobo]

Originally posted by paul_ahb

Does anyone else successfully use AutoGK with DVB recordings?


I transcoded some of my dvb recordings with AutoGK.

I have a SkyStar2 and full version of DVBViewer.
Further more I use ProjectX,Mpeg2Schnitt and bbMPEG.
But I always record the PS as .mpg, not the PES as .pva.
No sync problems here.

[wasco]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
"the base" is an avisynthfilter called <autocrop> with a default setting for crop_analysis
that's what i wanted to know! thanks! i'll investigate that then

[nightrhyme]

Just bought Godfather 2 which is on 2 disk's. Disk 1 = 2 hour 10 min, Disk 2 = 1 hour and some minuts. I want to make AutoGK think of the VOBS from both disk's as one DVD, so I would be able to encode the whole thing in the same quality. I guess I have to rename the VOBS from second disc and edit the ifo file to allow continuous playback of all VOBS. Can anyone help me to accomplish this ?

Thanx in advance :-)

[QNX]

len0x

i want to ask about multiple files conversion

for example

there are

Final.Fantasy.HDTV.1080i.HDL.Disc1.ts
Final.Fantasy.HDTV.1080i.HDL.Disc2.ts

this is the single movie splitted on 2 different parts..

is it possible to make autogk grab them all and process like a single file?

cause it's too hard for me to calculate the approximate size/quality to make the movie all in single bitrate

10x :D

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
I'd like ot have my hands on source you're using. Unfortunately I'll be away for the next couple of weeks, but when I'm back if you're still around I'm interested in working with you on that.

The source files are big (to say the least) what would be the best way to get them to you (I live in Australia by the way). Maybe I could post a DVD?

Paul

[mfba]

When trying to download the latest version I get the same error that some people were talking about a few days ago:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
is it possible to make autogk grab them all and process like a single file?


yes, just name them *_1.ts, *_2.ts and select first one. (I should put it to the FAQ...)

[Taurus]

@ mfba

What kind of Browser do you use to access the Website?
Any Downloadaccelerator involved?
Just tested at 10:30 with IE 6., everything works normal.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by mfba

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

If you see error like this - it means that we server is up but mysql database is down. For the last few days it happens from time to time, but never lasts more than several hours.

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
The source files are big (to say the least) what would be the best way to get them to you (I live in Australia by the way). Maybe I could post a DVD?


Yes, that would work. I'll PM you when I'm back.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by nightrhyme
Just bought Godfather 2 which is on 2 disk's. Disk 1 = 2 hour 10 min, Disk 2 = 1 hour and some minuts. I want to make AutoGK think of the VOBS from both disk's as one DVD, so I would be able to encode the whole thing in the same quality. I guess I have to rename the VOBS from second disc and edit the ifo file to allow continuous playback of all VOBS. Can anyone help me to accomplish this ?

Thanx in advance :-) you can do that if you are lucky enough to have dvds that both have the same audio-offset. otherwise you will face terrible async problems. check fileinfo.txt for offset information.

i have been fighting with a bunch of 2 dvd releases in the last weeks..
another option you have is running the comp test for both dvds and select the filesizes for both of them so that they come out in the same resolution (narrowing and then fixing the res manually in advanced options helps quite a bit of trial and error..). if you go for ac3 or cbr mp3 you can join these files afterwards in virtualdub.

[len0x]

I've finally fixed disappearing arrows bug. Officially last update before my holiday. See ya all in two-three weeks :D

[Yo]

Originally posted by len0x
I've finally fixed disappearing arrows bug. Officially last update before my holiday. See ya all in two-three weeks :D

You mean you won't be checking this board from Internet cafes on your holiday??;) (Just joking.)

Have a good vacation--you deserve a rest from this! :)

[ydobon]

Originally posted by len0x
[...] See ya all in two-three weeks :D

Thanks for all the effort put on AGK and enjoy your vacation.


Regards,

[Taurus]

@len0x

Again: Have a nice time.

Cheers

Taurus

[QNX]

i have problems with autocrop

some of HDTV movies has line after few pixels after picture and AutoGK cutting before the line and in the result i'm getting this

http://images.people.overclockers.ru/8082.jpg

how to remove this 10 pixels line from the bottom via hidden options?

10x :D

[GizmoDerMokwai]

len0x, can you add r3mix present as bitrate option for vbr mp3 encoding? :)

[thop]

nobody uses r3mix anymore.

i have trouble downloading autogk, i get "Sorry, this Module isn't active!" pls help :(

[Stebs]

Well first, be gentle, lets have lenox have his well-owned Holliday wont you?
Here now belongs some very cool stating, picture or what ever, but nevermind... Hey QNX that IS a cool picture...
BUT Seriously try if you can reach your walhalla(or whatwever)
(errr what??), i mean Goardian Knot is your way to go, not AutoGK...

[QNX]

Stebs

i'm asking somebody who did this already.. as i saw in hidden_options.txt something kind of this is possible :D
that IS a cool picture
this is Final Fantasy the movie :D
Goardian Knot is your way to go
can he handle the encoding of a transport stream aka HDTV? :D

[manono]

Hi-

can he handle the encoding of a transport stream aka HDTV?

I don't capture, but from the Transport Stream Notes.html included with dgmpgdec1012a:
Transport streams require special parsing. DGIndex needs to know that the input file is a transport stream to parse it correctly. Currently there is no automatic file type detection and so DGIndex uses the file extension to determine the file type. Transport streams must therefore use one of the following extensions to be properly recognized as transport streams: .ts .tp .trp .m2t. Sometimes you will see a transport stream with a .mpg extension. It must be renamed to one of the extensions listed to be handled properly.

You Must Set Your PIDs The process is simple. First load the transport stream file. Then select 'Stream/Detect PIDs: PAT/PMT' from the menu. Determine your desired video and audio PIDs (there may be multiple programs). Then select 'Stream/Set PIDs' from the menu and enter your chosen PIDs. Hit OK.

So, if you have an up-to-date DGIndex (aka DVD2AVI) then I'm pretty sure the answer is "Yes."

[c0kehead]

PSST. I keep getting this when I try to click the download link or go to autogk.net:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

[Mc|Atm0s]

Sorry, this Module isn't active!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[thop]

The site has some problems, it works from time to time. It worked for a few hours yesterday.

[Stebs]

Originally posted by Stebs
Well first, be gentle, lets have lenox have his well-owned Holliday wont you?
Here now belongs some very cool stating, picture or what ever, but nevermind... Hey QNX that IS a cool picture...
BUT Seriously try if you can reach your walhalla(or whatwever)
(errr what??), i mean Goardian Knot is your way to go, not AutoGK...

AWWWW, sorry to QNX and all others for this Post, had sampled a bit too much Beer :(
What the Hell was this Walhalla about anyway? :confused: :rolleyes:

[QNX]

Stebs

nevemind.. i didn't understand it either :D

so any ideas about autocrop setup in autogk?
i'm really don't want to use GK :D

[Stebs]

Sorry, dont know anything about autocrop, but here are some Posts from this Forum:

-------
6) Tune auto crop parameters
.autocrop

First line is a threshold 1-255 (AutoGK uses 34 by default). The less number is the more cropping will be done.
Second line is number of frames to examine (AutoGK uses 10 by default)


Originally posted by Hobojobo
A hidden-option manual .crop would be very handy, wouldn't it?
lenox:
I have no plans of adding it since that will require rewriting lots of internal code...

So it seems all you can do is fiddle around with the 2 values in .autocrop

[QNX]

yeap.. i've read that.. and tried to encode with different values.. but i didn't saw any difference.. maybe i did something wrong.. that's why i need and advice from the autogk PROs :D

[gircobain]

Originally posted by QNX
yeap.. i've read that.. and tried to encode with different values.. but i didn't saw any difference.. maybe i did something wrong.. that's why i need and advice from the autogk PROs :D
In case you know a bit of avisynth scripting, you may try AutoGK Tweaker

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79227

[gircobain]

[12/7/2004 02:57:03] Found NTSC source.
[12/7/2004 02:57:03] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[12/7/2004 02:57:04] Found 166519 frames
[12/7/2004 02:57:04] Credits start frame: 199265
Since it gives the number of ivtc'd frames, shouldn't credits start frame be the ivtc'd value as well? Or maybe vice-versa

[QNX]

Originally posted by gircobain
In case you know a bit of avisynth scripting, you may try AutoGK Tweaker

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79227

and in case i'm not? :D

[gircobain]

Originally posted by QNX
and in case i'm not? :D
Learn it :)
You'll find it many a time very useful

[buzzqw]

i am unable do download 1.48 from autogk site...

"Sorry, this Module isn't active!"

:confused: :confused:

Thanks

BHH

[len0x]

I've put download module back online. I have no ^&&% idea what's going on there, but in case it's gonna go down again I won't be able to get it up for a little while, so grab it now :)

[buzzqw]

Got it ! :cool:

Thanks Len0x

BHH

[PlazzTT]

Lenox,

Great work on AutoGK! What a great tool!

Do you have any major new features planned? Any plans for a big 1.5 or 1.6 or 2.0 milestone?

Or is it just bug fixes for now?

[schiame]

Hi Lenox .. Good Work for AutoGK!

Sometimes I add several mpeg to get the mpeg for encoding..
If everyone mpeg has cropping area different then the autocrop fails.. it autocrops all with smallest crop area.. so in other zones black area is visible!

I'd like to crop using the biggest crop area indeed..
so black area will be invisible in all zones of mpeg..

This Time I tried to tune the autocrop changing the autocrop threshold in hidden file .autocrop
but it didn't work.. (Using AutoGK 1.48b version)

So to correct this problem I used GK with manual cropping...
(Very Good Work GK! )
So Can You Insert an Optional Window for Manual Cropping in
AutoGK ?
May be it will be a useful tool for all AutoGK users!
(It will be useful in all cases when autocrop fails! )

Thank You in Advance!

[QNX]

Originally posted by schiame
So Can You Insert an Optional Window for Manual Cropping in
AutoGK ?
May be it will be a useful tool for all AutoGK users!
yaya das is good :P

cause of this now it's not possible to use autogk only.. :(
see last page of this thread

[gircobain]

Originally posted by schiame
This Time I tried to tune the autocrop changing the autocrop threshold in hidden file .autocrop
but it didn't work.. (Using AutoGK 1.48b version)
[...]
So Can You Insert an Optional Window for Manual Cropping in
AutoGK ?
Have you tried increasing the number of frames to examine?

lenox has stated several times he has no intention to implement such a thing as manual cropping

[schiame]

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by schiame
This Time I tried to tune the autocrop changing the autocrop threshold in hidden file .autocrop
but it didn't work.. (Using AutoGK 1.48b version)
[...]
So Can You Insert an Optional Window for Manual Cropping in
AutoGK ?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Have you tried increasing the number of frames to examine?

Yes! I haven't written it in the post.. but I did it..
to increase the number of frames to examine didn't work..
maybe having several zones with different crop area.. autocrop fails.. and I get black areas in zones with biggest crop areas..

this is because I'm asking an optional manual cropping in autogk..

I think it will be very useful for all autogk users!

---------------------------------------------------------------------

I know autogk is written for all beginners and it hides many problems of ripping ... But trust me .. the cropping should'nt be completely hidden for the users ... a experienced user prefers to set manually the crop area to personalize his work...

I'm agree indeed to hide the many difficult settings in the codec control panel or the choose of the avisynth filters, for example..


so many experienced gk users will not use autogk ...
and it is bad!

---------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd like to think autogk will be a simplest interface for the gk system
to automatize all ripping operation but optionally it should to show some simple operations like cropping to the experienced user...

thank you in advance!

[QNX]

just waste 10 hours of encoding TS in the GK and got movie with "brakes" - frame rate is different and the size of the avi too :D

before encoding, i've openned TS in the DGMPGDec and got GOP error... but saved the project...

[manono]

Hi-

This is PAL? Framerate is 20fps? Did you Force Film by chance?

[QNX]

this is transport steam 1920x1080 and 60 fps :D

[manono]

Oops. Just forget I said anything. :)

[blade12]

I have a older laptop with a HDD that can only push 4200rpm. So its not really surprising that it takes a little longer than the maximum set 30 mins to demux and index during the AGK operations.

I love the simplicity of AGK and would like to continue using it ... but is there a way to disable the 30 min timeout for the demuxing step?

[((( atom )))]

a little ot or more to say general thought i had:

in my understanding we make bframes smaller because they actually are of higher quality than pframes.

what if we made them the same size as pframes for very compressible movies instead of switching them of? wouldn't we get higher quality?

i guess that is a question for manono :)

[ukb007]

Quote:
................................................................
Job aborted during demuxing

I have a older laptop with a HDD that can only push 4200rpm. So its not really surprising that it takes a little longer than the maximum set 30 mins to demux and index during the AGK operations.
................................................................

To avoid the timeout, you can generate the .d2v (and ac3) separately and feed into AGK. This (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77780) thread might help you. Also, don't forget to read len0x's FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72679) 6.6.

Only you have to make the .d2v (and ac3) before you start AGK, and then, after starting AGK, stop (but not close) DGIndex, substitute the .d2v and the ac3 with your files, taking care to make the names identical to the ones you are replacing, and then close DGIndex. AGK will resume.

Regards.

[idanm19]

Hello!

Is the new divx 5.2 fully supported ?

[gircobain]

Originally posted by idanm19
Is the new divx 5.2 fully supported ?
Of course not, since DivX 5.2 is newer than the lastest beta

It may work, but no guarantees

[idanm19]

Originally posted by gircobain
Of course not, since DivX 5.2 is newer than the lastest beta

It may work, but no guarantees

I know that.. but I wasn't sure if something in the encode parameters has changed, if not, then it might work without any further support..

[OBELIKS]

Hi
Is it possible, to put a screensaver disable option to the program? I have Seti@home as screensaver and you can imagine what happens when AutoGK and S@h run at once ;)

[Taurus]

@ OBELIKS
Just disable the screensaver before encoding :confused: :rolleyes: :D

[OBELIKS]

Shure thats one way of doing it :) . But it would be nice to have a more elegant way.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by OBELIKS
But it would be nice to have a more elegant way. It might be nice, but on the meantime I'll guess you'll have to make a choice between finding life in outerspace and encoding movies. :D:D:D

[OBELIKS]

Or encode only movies with little green men in it :D

[ydobon]

Hello, all.

Len0x added this in version 1.45 beta:
- status of combobox for langauge/subs selection is preserved after new job load (only index not actual language)
I've had no oportunity to benefit from it until yesterday when I converted a few episodes from a tv show. The subtitle languages appeared ok in the dropdowns but in the log I got a "Subtitle: none" for every episode except the first one.

It seems AGK doesn't change the visual aspect of the dropdowns but "forgets" to notice there's something selected.

I'll probably have time this weekend to test it and to be completely sure that it's not my fault, but I though on giving a heads up.


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
It seems AGK doesn't change the visual aspect of the dropdowns but "forgets" to notice there's something selected.


correct. fixed.

[len0x]

Originally posted by idanm19
Is the new divx 5.2 fully supported ?

No, and it will take a little while (at least until weekend) to add support for it, coz I want to use different matrixes like with XviD. Also I may change soft matrix for XviD for the next release. All this requires a lot of tests to be performed.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ((( atom )))

in my understanding we make bframes smaller because they actually are of higher quality than pframes.


That's a pitfall. How smaller size can yield in higher quality? Afaik bframe take into consideration only motion parts from previous pframe and cannot be decoded separately. Their quality cannot be better than pframes. (in fact if it wasn't for huge size difference I wouldn't use brames at all)

[len0x]

Originally posted by blade12
I have a older laptop with a HDD that can only push 4200rpm. So its not really surprising that it takes a little longer than the maximum set 30 mins to demux and index during the AGK operations.


how long exactly ? (if manually demuxed)

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
this is transport steam 1920x1080 and 60 fps :D

handling of 60fps sources is far from ideal. I didn't have time to work with them properly yet. Atm they always brought to 30fps and analysed as usual. So if there are no simple duplicates - result can be very jerky. I'd like to have a sample of this TS.

[QNX]

I'd like to have a sample of this TS
i wish to transform my dial-up line to adsl - trax ti bi dox to bi dox :D

i'll try tomorrow from the work, if the chief won't kill me :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by idanm19
Is the new divx 5.2 fully supported ?

On the second thought after reading some feedback from DivX forum I'm not sure I wanna support it just yet...

[QNX]

hm.. strange...

the light alloy showing that there are 60fps in that hdtv movie.. and standart windows decoder show that there are 25fps...

hell... where is the true :confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
the light alloy showing that there are 60fps in that hdtv movie..

what's "light alloy" ? :)
Anyway - can you cut out very small part of TS using ProjectX(basically demux a part of video to m2v file) and make it available to me please? After we determined what the source is I might need a bigger sample for analysis...

[QNX]

this is powerfull video player for US

http://www.softella.com/ :D

about sample.. i'll try later.. can't now :(

[itsme_4ucz]

I would like to what r default setting for the xvid in autogk for 2 cd rip.And can i change those settings to more good quliety rip,&where.
To len0x
When releasing the ver 1.5 release a full pack.

Thx.

[len0x]

Originally posted by itsme_4ucz
IAnd can i change those settings to more good quliety rip,&where.


:readfaq:

[itsme_4ucz]

hi
len0x
good to see ur online,i am eagerly waiting for full ver 1.5.

thx.

[len0x]

version 1.50 is not gonna be stable...

[itsme_4ucz]

As far as my knowledge goes 1.48 is quite stable.

thx.

[len0x]

Originally posted by itsme_4ucz
As far as my knowledge goes 1.48 is quite stable.


I don't mean its behaviour :) I meant title - still beta.

[len0x]

I'm doing slight modification to AutoGK these days: hidden option for enabling sharp matrix for small sources, increasing comp test frames for short sources (to make it more precise). What do you thiunk should be limit of frames - 2000, 3000, 5000?

DivX 5.2 support is there but only for H263 matrix as MPEG matrix is b0rked there. Also I switched soft matrix to Javor's 1CD matrix.

[Shuichiro]

I've seen version 1.5 @ CHIP for download but haven't seen it @ the AutoGK homepage. Is it safe to install the new version or was it removed for some reasons?

[len0x]

Version 1.5 was never released yet. Can you point me to the download site ?

[Shuichiro]

http://www.chip.de/downloads/c_downloads_11784819.html

I hope you can say anything about the situation.

My Error... 1.25 was offered for download. They just put it as a new download. Sorry ^^ Anyway hope to see 1.5 soon ^^

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
I'm doing slight modification to AutoGK these days: hidden option for enabling sharp matrix for small sources, increasing comp test frames for short sources (to make it more precise). What do you thiunk should be limit of frames - 2000, 3000, 5000?

I'm dense. When you say "limit" -- do you mean the limit of frames in the comp test, or the cut-off point for what would be a "short source"?

Originally posted by len0x
Also I switched soft matrix to Javor's 1CD matrix.

I'm personally thrilled about this. :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
I'm dense. When you say "limit" -- do you mean the limit of frames in the comp test, or the cut-off point for what would be a "short source"?


Its lower limit for number of frames examined. So either 5% of the source or 2000 frames whichever is greater.

[jeremymacmull]

btw has anyone looked at tomshardware.com as in the testing for the sempron processor they use AUTOGK with divx 5.2 and xvid 1.01

i thought autogk did not support divx 5.2 (they use 1.48beta btw)

just interesting that a hardware site would use your program to benchmark

and even more interesting as supposedly autogk does not support 5.2 yet !!

JEREMY

PS on the other hand if autogk does support 5.2 i apologise but its still interesting to see sites use the proggie for benchmarks

[len0x]

Originally posted by jeremymacmull
btw has anyone looked at tomshardware.com as in the testing for the sempron processor they use AUTOGK with divx 5.2 and xvid 1.01


They do that for a while (at least 4-5 months)

Originally posted by jeremymacmull
i thought autogk did not support divx 5.2 (they use 1.48beta btw)


Correct, but if you don't mess with DivX settings after you installed it then AutoGK will work fine. The only parameter I added for 5.2 support for version 1.50 was quantanization type (so if you set up it as MPEG2 then you'll screw your encode but version 1.50 will not allow that).

[jeremymacmull]

cheers very informative

not looked at tomshardware in abit so i sort of missed the 4-5 months bit

JEREMY

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
I'm personally thrilled about this. :)

I wonder if there is a better matrix than HVS best for high bitrate encodes?

[QNX]

len0x

i've uploaded sample to

http://eoninfo.kiev.ua/temp/the.matrix.1080i.hdtv.hdl.sample.avi

but it be avaliable for 2 days

i have a strip at the bottom, same as on other movies and cause of this all xvid movies also have that strip :(

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
i've uploaded sample to


First, I get "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" when trying to download. Second, resulting avi is kinda useless to me - I need original source TS (or demuxed m2v).

[QNX]

this is TS, just rename it to ".TS"

it will be avaliable after 31 of july - size - 20mb

but it's only 14sec

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
this is TS, just rename it to ".TS"


lol, that was confusing :)

Originally posted by QNX
it will be avaliable after 31 of july - size - 20mb

ok, cheers. remind me please if I forget...

[jeremymacmull]

i really think autogk is a brill product it makes converting ds9 episodes soo much easier.

lenox can u give us a hint as to what u would like if possible to add to autogk in the future

(no timescale or pressure just an idea of what direction youd like autogk to go as i think the app is fairly feature complete anyway!)

JEREMY

[len0x]

Originally posted by jeremymacmull
lenox can u give us a hint as to what u would like if possible to add to autogk in the future


I don't really have huge plans. I'd like to release a stable version as soon as I have more or less good support for 50/60fps sources (although this means writing new analysis routine and I'm being really lazy these days, so due to the lack of sources and ppl who actually can benefit from this I might postpone this). After that there is only two big things in my mind: consolidate all hidden option into one file and possible add more customization to it (there will be lots of flaming about it I expect :) ) plus support for DV sources (or even generic dshow sources support). Support for standalone files might lead to an addition of audio option where you can specify an audio file to add to the video (but I really don't want to do that at the moment).

[jeremymacmull]

hmm for me personally not so sure about the 50/60 fps sources

cant see many people using that !?


but the consolidating all hidden stuff into one file and making it easier to customise i can see the use of that definately.

brill product cheers for the good work

JEREMY

[Alwayscamp]

:Lenux
Anyway - can you cut out very small part of TS using ProjectX(basically demux a part of video to m2v file) and make it available to me please? After we determined what the source is I might need a bigger sample for analysis...
I keep on seeing a lot of these request on this board for people to send files and i just thought i'd help with my two sense. You Send It .com (http://s2.yousendit.com/) is a great web site that lets you send pretty big files. If I remember correctly the last time I checked it was 1GB. Now that i think should be quite enough for for most files only downside is that it stays on there website for a 7 day period only.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Alwayscamp
You Send It .com (http://s2.yousendit.com/) is a great web site that lets you send pretty big files. If I remember correctly the last time I checked it was 1GB.

fantastic! very useful, thanks.

[QNX]

len0x

time to download file on page 128 :D

[ukb007]

AGK makes the .d2v file with ForceFilm OFF in DGIndex; and that should have a line in the file saying the FPS is 29970. Right ?

I expect AGK changes that line after working on the file. What other changes are made in that file?

Regards.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ukb007
AGK makes the .d2v file with ForceFilm OFF in DGIndex; and that should have a line in the file saying the FPS is 29970. Right ?


correct

Originally posted by ukb007
I expect AGK changes that line after working on the file. What other changes are made in that file?


It might change it if FF has to be on. It also changes field operation line in that case.

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX

time to download file on page 128 :D

Ok, I did. Its 30fps telecined sources which is pure FILM @ 24fps. AutoGK should have no problems restoring 24fps. At maximum resolution you need to have a top-end PC to play it smoothly though...

[len0x]

A couple of bugs fixed, a couple of new hidden options introduced, full support for divx 5.2 and new soft matrix (Javor's) as promised (if you have suggestions for sharp matrix instead of HVS_Best please do suggest them :) )

[QNX]

Originally posted by len0x
Ok, I did. Its 30fps telecined sources which is pure FILM @ 24fps. AutoGK should have no problems restoring 24fps. At maximum resolution you need to have a top-end PC to play it smoothly though...
i think i have good enough.. :P

try to encode it.. do you have a black strip at the bottom?

[QNX]

i'm talking about such strip

http://images.people.overclockers.ru/8082.jpg

this was encoded from HDTV like that sample.. and it has that crap at the end... dunno what to do :(

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
this was encoded from HDTV like that sample.. and it has that crap at the end... dunno what to do :(

In the sample you provided it does have a small black bar at the bottom ~50% of the time. So some scenes have it and some don't. Obviously there is no automatic solution for that as autocrop will always fail (nomatter what the settings are) to crop full video frames...

P.S. what is this sample that "brakes", i.e. shuttering as I understand? (coz I see no problem playing resulting avi at 720*xxx).

[Taurus]

version 1.50 beta is up
@len0x You are fast as lightning.
Thanks for the new beta.
It includes almost everything discussed the last weeks.
Hmmh, one thing. Why did you change to Jawor's matrix?
Thats right: Jawor not Javor as you spelled it. Is this another person?:confused: :D
I was using HVS matrices - good, better, best for a long time now.
Did many a testing on other matrices. Always switched back to the chosen (older)ones.
What are the benefits on this for AutoGk? I did quite a few tests on Jawors matrice, but really can't tell the difference to HVS-good.
Depending on source sometimes Hvs-good,sometimes Jawor's is better.
So maybe a little explanation?

My sharp matrix suggestion: Stay with HVS_best.
Sure there are many matrices which taylor out more details (pump up the volume).
But to my opinion HVS_best is still the best choice comparing filesize and details without to much compromising.

But to live is to learn;)

Cheers

Taurus
P.S.: Jawor's matrix is really good on 1CD rips.

[QNX]

P.S. what is this sample that "brakes", i.e. shuttering as I understand? (coz I see no problem playing resulting avi at 720*xxx).
what? :D

i mean that it's skipping frames of playing them not so fast

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
Thats right: Jawor not Javor as you spelled it.


:D I edited it :)

Originally posted by Taurus
What are the benefits on this for AutoGk? I did quite a few tests on Jawors matrice, but really can't tell the difference to HVS-good.
Depending on source sometimes Hvs-good,sometimes Jawor's is better.
So maybe a little explanation?


AutoGK was using HVS_better, not _good matrix actually. I can't see difference myself, but Jawor's matrix quite a bit more compressible (up to 10% on average). So now 1CD rips should have large resolutions.

Originally posted by Taurus
My sharp matrix suggestion: Stay with HVS_best.
Sure there are many matrices which taylor out more details (pump up the volume).


I really wanna have a matrix which resolves more details without huge increase in size. This only possible on high bitrates otherwise we get artifacts. May be I can even make AutoGK work with three matrixes. Atm I'm looking at "EQM V2" and "Soulhunters v6" this friday blind test should be over, so I'm curious to see results...

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
what? :D

you said you wasted 10 hour on encoding and movie "brakes"... and it was 60fps TS... remember? is this about provided sample ?

[QNX]

Originally posted by len0x
you said you wasted 10 hour on encoding and movie "brakes"... and it was 60fps TS... remember? is this about provided sample ?

yes.. it's about such sample, but the movie was - FF :D

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
Atm I'm looking at "EQM V2" and "Soulhunters v6" this friday blind test should be over, so I'm curious to see results...
EQM V3 is coming... :D
However i'm curious to see how V1 and V2 performed. Those are both good matrices.

[PlazzTT]

Website down now?

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: message_die() in /home/len0x/public_html/web/db/db.php on line 88

[thop]

Would it be possible to have AutoGk accept a time range? No fancy graphical stuff, just like "00:10:10 - 00:20:54".

[Codesmith]

I am someone who had no problem running GK, however I did find that I had to skim over the guides if a month lasped between rips.

Now with AutoGK I am getting the exact same quality with few seconds effort!

So far I have only run across one DVD which AutoGK couldn't handle.

I am actually dreading having to fire up regular GK to attempt to encode the problem DVD. AutoGK has me spoiled.

[jsquare]

Just discovered AutoGK, coming back to Divx after a few years hiatus, using back then Vidomi and recently trying Nero Recode 2 plus a few others applications, I found AutoGK to be the the easiest use and best achieved looking AVIs.

But I have a little problem with the latest beta(1.50), with stable version 1.25 I was able to open the VIDEO_TS folder on my mounted decrypted ISOs and the movie info will pop-up, now with version 1.50 it's asking to rip the mounted DVD with Decrypter to IFO files, somehting that seems as a step backwards, so I went back to v1.25.

Is there any chance that this option will be included on newer version?

[thop]

jsquare: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77941

[jsquare]

Originally posted by thop
jsquare: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77941

That's a real drawback, guess I'll keep using v1.25.

[blade12]

Originally posted by len0x
how long exactly ? (if manually demuxed)

I noticed that the demux step is now 40 mins, cheers.

However, I have had instances where demuxing for a 2 hour movie takes roughly 1 hour.

Since no-one else seems to be having this problem, it might be a sign for me to get a better laptop (or HDD at least) :)

[bwalerud]

Have tried to connect twice recently without success

[killingspree]

Originally posted by jsquare
That's a real drawback, guess I'll keep using v1.25.

how do you consider this a drawback - if you're ripping the dvd in ifo mode you save disk space and you do not have to mount the dvd again! the ifo parsing method has shown to have some serious drawbacks, so honestly i do consider it to be the better - or easier solution!

also the new versions have been improved a lot concerning encoding quality and behind the scenes calculations so actually using v 1.25 (although stable) would be much more of a drawback imho!

also pls note that encoding to divx from files on your hd should actually be noticeably faster than encoding from an iso file as you save a considerable amount of cpu time as it doesn't require you to read from the iso file on the fly!

of course you're free to use any version you want :)

kr
steVe

edit: just to confirm: can't access the agknot site either!

@len0x: wouldn't it be a good idea to close this thread and start a new gknot dev thread (2nd edition)? in this thread it is extremely hard to find any information you might need - reading through 130 pages isn't really a quick way to retrieve any information ;)

[len0x]

Originally posted by bwalerud
Have tried to connect twice recently without success

Looks like its up now. It was probably down the whole night (GMT time). Bad timing :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
@len0x: wouldn't it be a good idea to close this thread and start a new gknot dev thread (2nd edition)? in this thread it is extremely hard to find any information you might need - reading through 130 pages isn't really a quick way to retrieve any information ;)

I think we all agree that this thread is no longer suitable for finding info :) I treat it as free chat place (i.e. talks like "website is down" would rather not have separate threads). This is main development thread and starting another one will result in another long thread as well. All comprehensive topics should ideally have their own threads. No one expects users to read the whole thread - they are feel free to post questions answered 50 pages ago again :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
Would it be possible to have AutoGk accept a time range? No fancy graphical stuff, just like "00:10:10 - 00:20:54".

You mean trim video? Have a look at FAQ Q6.6

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
yes.. it's about such sample, but the movie was - FF :D

I dunno about FF but in my case it was properly IVTC-ed...

[jsquare]

Originally posted by killingspree
how do you consider this a drawback - if you're ripping the dvd in ifo mode you save disk space and you do not have to mount the dvd again! the ifo parsing method has shown to have some serious drawbacks, so honestly i do consider it to be the better - or easier solution!

also the new versions have been improved a lot concerning encoding quality and behind the scenes calculations so actually using v 1.25 (although stable) would be much more of a drawback imho!

also pls note that encoding to divx from files on your hd should actually be noticeably faster than encoding from an iso file as you save a considerable amount of cpu time as it doesn't require you to read from the iso file on the fly!

of course you're free to use any version you want :)

kr
steVe


Got it, now I understand why it's necessary after having audio sync delays with one movie last night using v1.25.

Maybe an implementation of vStrip could be included in the future, just like DVD2SVCD, that way AutoGK will become a one-click DVD2AVI solution.

By the way, I tried v1.5 on another system and managed to fit Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1-CD at 720x320, it took almost 4hrs but came out really good for an 1h:55m movie in full resolution and the audio was superb.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
(if you have suggestions for sharp matrix instead of HVS_Best please do suggest them :) )

I'm by no means an expert on this, but I've found Didée's SixOfNine-HVS is pretty great for high bitrate encodes.

Originally posted by len0x
Sort of autosize mode, right? I though about it a lot and the only reasonable solution would be:

- add option to adjust size when fixed or minimal width selected
- this option adds 700Mb increments if good quality is not reached
- this option won't change audio type
- this option will only work for 1/2CDs original target size and make in the end either 1, 2 or 3 CDs

If ppl are happy with this scenario then I can implement it.

I wanted to bring this particular idea back because I think it's a good one.

My speciality is stupid ideas, so here's one: why not make an autosize feature that is ridiculously basic? i.e. if, say, the rip was between 15-30 minutes use 175MB, 30-60 minutes use 350MB, 60-100 use 1CD, 100-200 2CD's, > 200 would be 3CD's, etc. Something like that, where the number of frames is used to determine the inital size decision. That would be used as the basis for the autosize decision, and then after a compressibility test, it could be determined if the size should be stepped up/down one level. Also, if the video length is less than 15 minutes, I guess AutoGK could encode by average kbps or quality-based (although then the risk would be run of having a file greater 175MB even though it's less than 15 minutes). P.S., the minute values I listed are pretty arbitrary, ther eare probably better values to use.

I apologize if it's a horrible idea or if I'm missing some huge reason as to why it simply wouldn't work. Length is just usually what I initially base my size decision on, and then if it turns out to be incredibly compressible or not, I'll adjust it accordingly. It seems to work reasonably well. Now it would just be automated. :)

Even if this is a bad idea I still think having an autosize would be a nice feature, since it would add that one extra step of automation. If anyone has any better ideas (which, let's be honest, is pretty likely), I say post 'em.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway
I'm by no means an expert on this, but I've found Didée's SixOfNine-HVS is pretty great for high bitrate encodes.


how does it compare to HVS_best in compressibility ?


Originally posted by Carraway
why not make an autosize feature that is ridiculously basic? i.e. if, say, the rip was between 15-30 minutes use 175MB, 30-60 minutes use 350MB, 60-100 use 1CD, 100-200 2CD's, > 200 would be 3CD's, etc.

There are still some choices about audio and initial matrix (also now that I have HDTV sources input - resolution-wise its difficult to predict sizes like you described). To be honest I think that now with with XviD 1.0.1 and more compressible soft matrix desired size can be achived almost all the time with decent resolution even with auto-width mode. So there are less and less reasons for having auto-size mode...

[Carraway]

Originally posted by len0x
how does it compare to HVS_best in compressibility ?

I did a very quick test at quant 2 with otherwise default xvid settings.

01-6of9.avi -- 8,996kb
01-hvsbest.avi -- 5,958kb

02-6of9.avi -- 72,136kb
02-hvsbest.avi -- 51,320kb

03-6of9.avi -- 16,692kb
03-hvsbest.avi -- 13,034kb

So, yeah, a whole lot less compressible than HVS_best. Definitely makes for a great looking image, but sadly very hard to compress.

I am ashamed.

Originally posted by len0x
There are still some choices about audio and initial matrix (also now that I have HDTV sources input - resolution-wise its difficult to predict sizes like you described). To be honest I think that now with with XviD 1.0.1 and more compressible soft matrix desired size can be achived almost all the time with decent resolution even with auto-width mode. So there are less and less reasons for having auto-size mode...

That's understandable. The HDTV sources completely slipped my mind, but that would definitely make any resolution-based judgement on autosizing pretty much impossible.

Today's score: 0 for 2! :)

[((( atom )))]

@len0x,

back again..

after lots of comparing encodes on 2600 ansi projectors i really would like to ask again for any (hidden) option to set the comp. threshold to ones liking.

my experience is, that when watching encodes on either tft displays or - worse - very good projectors, the nature of the digital displaying technology with its perfect but hard pixels boost visibility of artifacs far over the visible threshold compared to crt monitors or tvs.

is it only me seing that?

i compared several autogk encodes with gk encodes and lowering the resolution simply brings more detail@less artifacts up until i'd say the good old 80% comp value.

so please don't get me wrong here, my motives are of course being lazy (and so wanting to use autogk more again) as well as believing that everybody could have nicer encodes.

[thop]

(((atom))), you're right. I'd try ffdshows noise at a low value. Improved the experience for me on my TFT.

[PlazzTT]

Is the website http://www.autogk.net/ down?

I'm getting a hosting ad.

[len0x]

Originally posted by PlazzTT
Is the website http://www.autogk.net/ down?

I'm getting a hosting ad.

Not anymore, but its still down... I'm really fed up with such hosting solution and I'm looking for a new host. Does anyone can host me for free with phpnuke/mysql? Requirements are 200-300Mb of space (actualy much less, but for backups), upto 20,000 phpnuke hits a day. upto 5-7Gb traffic a month. As I was told phpnuke is too heavy for shared servers, so probably dedicated small server in large datacenter would do ideally. Please PM or email me. Cheers.

[((( atom )))]

Originally posted by thop
(((atom))), you're right. I'd try ffdshows noise at a low value. Improved the experience for me on my TFT. i always throw in a little noise, using mplayer though.

[Meestor_X]

Hey len0x;

So I've read many times that you have no plan for a CLI (Ever!), but I'm wondering if you're opposed to someone creating a Pseudo-CLI using macros, etc. What I'm wondering is if you're seriously against any sort of CLI with AutoGK or just don't want to create it yourself. I figured if you are really against it, you might go out of your way to make sure that any macro-control of your program not work by changing the interface to not allow that. If, on the other hand, it's just not something that you want to work on, then you might not mind a Psuedo-CLI being created. (After all - how difficult would the building of AutoGK be if BeSweet or VDubMod could not be controlled except via a GUI?) =)

I hope this question does not offend, as I greatly appreciate your hard work, I too would simply like to contribute back to the community as well by possibly offering something that many people have asked for, and certainly would be useful for me!

Thank you.

[nightrhyme]

I started using AutoGK a long time ago. Now I'm trying to learn GordianKnot.
I was wondering what kind of Audio encoding settings are used in AutoGK.
It would be nice if you could explain them in such a way that I could use them directly in the window highlighted in the below screenshot.

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/4152/GKnotaudio1.jpg

//Thanx in advance

[Taurus]

@ nightrhyme

There is an audio logfile in the agk_tmp folder inside your chosen rip folder which contains the info you need.
Just take a look at it and you will see the parameters used by besweet as lenox use it for AutoGk.
Or make yourself familiar with Besweet, there's a nice gui for this absolutely incredible program as well, where you can see and learn all switches and many, many more.
Cheers

Taurus

[thop]

Why doesn't AutoGK accept DVDs ripped in File Mode from DVD Decrypter? Where is the difference? :confused:

[Ribtin]

is it possible to set different quality to audio streams?

I want to have the primary stream a good hi-q ac3, but then include the directors commentary as a low-q 32kbps mp3?

[Meestor_X]

Originally posted by thop
Why doesn't AutoGK accept DVDs ripped in File Mode from DVD Decrypter? Where is the difference? :confused:

See This: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77941 and this: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80659

You may be able to work it using "file mode" in AutoGK and opning the .VOB file instead of the folder as you would in DVD mode.

[thop]

Yes but DVD Decrypter also decrypts the files when selecting them in File Mode no? :confused: I don't see where the difference is.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Meestor_X
So I've read many times that you have no plan for a CLI (Ever!), but I'm wondering if you're opposed to someone creating a Pseudo-CLI using macros, etc. What I'm wondering is if you're seriously against any sort of CLI with AutoGK

I kinda am. I don't know that the purpose of pseudo-CLI, but what I'm trying to prevent is bundling AutoGK with DVDDecrypter together for instance (which would be possible if CLI was instroduced).

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
Yes but DVD Decrypter also decrypts the files when selecting them in File Mode no? :confused: I don't see where the difference is.

Look better - AutoGK only works on single PGC stream ("P.S." section in the first link is about that - read it over and over and over...)

[thop]

Would it be possible to select multiple files (such like a video split across a few 0.99 gb vobs) and autogk would automagically work it out so that you get one avi in the end?

[GizmoDerMokwai]

Originally posted by thop
Would it be possible to select multiple files (such like a video split across a few 0.99 gb vobs) and autogk would automagically work it out so that you get one avi in the end?

When you got vobs you simbly can reauther an ifo file using ifo-edit

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
Would it be possible to select multiple files (such like a video split across a few 0.99 gb vobs) and autogk would automagically work it out so that you get one avi in the end?

in file mode if you have them properly named *_1.vob, *_2.vob etc. then autogk will pick them all up in one go.

[thop]

Hmm doesn't seem to work. I have

VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_01_2.VOB

in the folder and selected the first in file mode. AutoGK only analyzed the first though and is currently compressing it to the target size. The 2nd wasn't looked on, nowhere mentioned in the log.

Encoding now finished, the 2nd VOB was not considered.

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
Encoding now finished, the 2nd VOB was not considered.

You can check manually that DGIndex opens all vobs when you try to load them via "File -> Autoincrement Option". If that doesn't work, then its a bug of DGIndex, but you seem to be the only person having such problem...

[thop]

Hmm it works in DGIIndex. I'll have to try again and see what's going on.

[Ribtin]

is it possible to set different quality to audio streams?

I want to have the primary stream a good hi-q ac3, but then include the directors commentary as a low-q 32kbps mp3?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Ribtin
is it possible to set different quality to audio streams?


no, but in auto mode second audio is kept @ 128kbps MP3 though...
(there will be no separate setting for second audio)

[jmk]

first of all, great program!

i have only one problem: your method of finding the winrar-directory with the registry key does somehow not work for me...

could you either explain (again) wich exact key autogk is looking for?

or maybe implement a way to put the path in manually, for example when it says "WinRAR is not found..." (in the advanced settings, for external subtitles) just a button where you point to the directory you installed winrar in.

[len0x]

Originally posted by jmk

i have only one problem: your method of finding the winrar-directory with the registry key does somehow not work for me...


which version of AutoGK are you using ?

[AlmanNewfred]

AGK spits out this message immediately after the compression test then aborts. It happens in versions 1.50 and 1.51, but not in 1.44 and earlier. I dont have 1.45-1.49 to test it on those versions.

[thop]

a problem is also when you're not using winrar (but f.e. winace). wouldn't it be possible to just include rar.exe with autogk?

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
AGK spits out this message immediately after the compression test then aborts. It happens in versions 1.50 and 1.51, but not in 1.44 and earlier. I dont have 1.45-1.49 to test it on those versions.

Let me guess - win98? see here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80327

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
a problem is also when you're not using winrar (but f.e. winace). wouldn't it be possible to just include rar.exe with autogk?

no, its illegal

[AlmanNewfred]

Originally posted by len0x
Let me guess - win98? see here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80327
I guess that's it, thanks. Looking forward to 1.52...

[Meestor_X]

Originally posted by len0x
I kinda am. I don't know that the purpose of pseudo-CLI, but what I'm trying to prevent is bundling AutoGK with DVDDecrypter together for instance (which would be possible if CLI was instroduced).

Gotcha. Totally get where you're coming from on that!

[GoldDragon]

Hey len0x,

Just wanted to drop a big THANK YOU post for AutoGK. So far I've got about 40 movies encoded for my home media server and the program has worked great. Instant movie access from any pc in the house is awesome!

Thanks again for your hard work, it's much appreciated.

GoldDragon

[thop]

Well it works, it's just that i was mucho confused because nowhere is there any mention of AutoGK using both files. Maybe you should add a line like this or indicate it any other way.

[16.08.2004 19:06:10] Input file: VTS_01_*.VOB

or

[16.08.2004 19:06:10] Input file: VTS_01_1.VOB
[16.08.2004 19:06:10] Input file: VTS_01_2.VOB

All the naming in the agk_temp only mentions VTS_01_01 as well, so maybe there is a less confusing way also here? :)

Any indication would be really great because you're wondering what is going on all the time :confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
Well it works, it's just that i was mucho confused because nowhere is there any mention of AutoGK using both files. Maybe you should add a line like this or indicate it any other way.


well, since its DGIndex that is actually loading vobs and AutoGK has no idea which files are being processed - its impossible to give proper indication to the user.

[jmk]

i am using the latest stable version (1.25)...

[len0x]

Originally posted by jmk
i am using the latest stable version (1.25)...

Then don't. Its a very old version now and totally not supported anymore...

[thop]

Originally posted by len0x
well, since its DGIndex that is actually loading vobs and AutoGK has no idea which files are being processed - its impossible to give proper indication to the user.
yep i thought so, but you could easily figure out all the additional files out yourself, and just display them. there is a little risk because you don't know 100% that DGIndex really picked them up, but unless there is a bug or sth. it should always do. does DGIndex really not return which files were processed anywhere?

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
does DGIndex really not return which files were processed anywhere?

actually it does in d2v file...

[thop]

Originally posted by len0x
actually it does in d2v file...
i take that as a good sign :) :confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
i take that as a good sign :) :confused:

yes, I will do that

P.S. I just won two very expensive tickets for Madonna gig at ebay at less then half price - that's why I'm very agreeable :D

[jmk]

well, even though i downloaded the newest version - it doesn't make a difference!

jmk

[len0x]

Originally posted by jmk
well, even though i downloaded the newest version - it doesn't make a difference!


hm... it looks for HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\WinRAR archiver\UninstallString and replaces uninstall.exe with rar.exe (console version of WinRar has to be there).

[DDogg]

len0x, I was briefly playing around with your 1.52b release. I think this is the first time I have ever seen an error. I don't track this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned elsewhere or is just operator error on my part. Here is the log. Please let me know if I can get you any additional information. PM is fine.


[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] AutoGK 1.52b
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Job started.
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Input dir: C:\WUTemp
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Output file: D:\WUTEMP\fdsfsf.avi
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Audio: English
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Subtitles: none
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Codec: XviD
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Target size: 1493Mb
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Started encoding.
[8/18/2004 8:17:52 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[8/18/2004 8:20:20 AM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[8/18/2004 8:20:20 AM] Source resolution: 720x480
[8/18/2004 8:20:20 AM] Found NTSC source.
[8/18/2004 8:20:20 AM] Analyzing source.
[8/18/2004 8:20:20 AM] Writing the following script to D:\WUTEMP\agk_tmp\lastjob.vcf
===========================================================
VirtualDub.Open("D:\\WUTEMP\\agk_tmp\\_.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\WUTEMP\\agk_tmp\\_.avi");
===========================================================
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "D:\WUTEMP\agk_tmp\interlace.log". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[8/18/2004 8:47:12 AM] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by DDogg
len0x, I was briefly playing around with your 1.52b release. I think this is the first time I have ever seen an error.

Well, from what I see analysis step failed. So try opening _.avs script in VdubMod - you'll probably see what's wrong there (you should no see any video, just 4x4 small parts of it, but my guess you might see an error when opening or trying yo save avi of that script(no compression required))

P.S. or I just noticed that it took 20 min for analysis step - quite OK, but may be interlace.log file is there, but is locked by OS/VDubMod. Can you try encoding again, please ?

[jmk]

thx, that worked beautifully!

maybe you could add that key to the error message??

jmk

[len0x]

Originally posted by jmk
thx, that worked beautifully!


I wonder how did you manage to have WinRar installed without having that key ?

[DDogg]

Oringinally posted by len0x:
P.S. or I just noticed that it took 20 min for analysis step - quite OK, but may be interlace.log file is there, but is locked by OS/VDubMod. Can you try encoding again, please ? len0x, as we discussed, the problem was the interlace.log was not being created due to my use of the latest 2.55 August 17th version of avisynth. I assume there was a syntax change that broke something. Reverting back to 2.54 solved the problem.

[killingspree]

len0x, seems like the webpage is down - i'm getting a bunch of database errors if i try to acess anything!!

kr
stefan

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
len0x, seems like the webpage is down - i'm getting a bunch of database errors if i try to acess anything!!


I can't do anything - I'm thinking about closing website at all... :(

[killingspree]

ouch... didn't find any hosting??

kr
steVe

[len0x]

Originally posted by killingspree
ouch... didn't find any hosting??


I'm done with paying for hosting - nobody offered to host me otherwise...

[magneez]

tiny suggestion: cd split overlap!
anyway amazing job.

about web hosting I use these guys and theyre ok: http://100webspace.com
free, no ads, etc.
--cheers

[mlmll]

Originally posted by len0x
I'm done with paying for hosting - nobody offered to host me otherwise...

Why not SourceForge (if you intend to make AutoGK OSS of course...) ? Or even a subset of gordianknot.sourceforge.net/ ?

Cheers,

MLL

[len0x]

Originally posted by mlmll
Why not SourceForge (if you intend to make AutoGK OSS of course...) ? Or even a subset of gordianknot.sourceforge.net/ ?


I do not intend to release source of AutoGK...
I'm gonna be moving site to my download location probably.

[DDogg]

Check with dvd2svcd. I noticed he offered to host some stuff on his WP. http://www.dvd2dvd.org/

"As part of a new deal with my employeer I can now offer free hosting.

I support ASP, PHP, Perl, ISAPI, MySQL, MS SQL and more.

Mail me if you're interested.

So far I'm hosting these sites:
DSPGuru (Besweet)
Doom9 Portuguese
Rockas DVD-RB site"

[len0x]

Originally posted by DDogg
Check with dvd2svcd. I noticed he offered to host some stuff on his WP. http://www.dvd2dvd.org/


Interesting, thanks. Luckily I managed to host my webstite on one of my download sites. I'll see how it'll go there...

[daldrum]

"tiny suggestion: cd split overlap! "

I definitely second the suggestion, to have option for the overlap would be even better, say overlap by 10, 20 and 30 seconds

[len0x]

Originally posted by daldrum
"tiny suggestion: cd split overlap! "

I definitely second the suggestion, to have option for the overlap would be even better, say overlap by 10, 20 and 30 seconds

Its not possible as split has to be done on a keyframe... Everybody has its own preference and it introduces more complexity when calculating target size and splitting subs. Its much easier for you to do manually from full file generated by AutoGK than for me to code it, so I'll leave this to the users.

[ukb007]

It's impossible for a program to decide exactly when to split logically in a place where there is a natural respite in a story-line. Programmed CD-splits may occur in the middle of a conversation. As len0x has said, CD-split should be attempted by the user only.

What I do is this. I target a file-size of 1500 MB, including mp3 sound (yeah, mp3; it's personal preference, guys, and I feel mp3 is enough) and OCR'd subs (a few hundred KBs). You can accommodate 790 MB per CD-R, writing in mode 2, with the help of m2cdmaker. So that leaves me 40 MB to play with, per CD, trying to find the natural cleavage in the flow of the story where I can insert a break. (1500 divided by 2 is 750; 790-750=40). That, too, cuts it down too fine sometimes, making me wish I had kept more to play with, which would require a smaller-than-1500 file-size, which is a tradeoff I am not always willing to accept.

Also, it must be remembered that breaks occur at keyframes; so, while splitting manually, don't be surprised if a break comes a few frames too soon or too late in relation to what you have envisaged in your mind.

Also don't be surprised if you've attemped a break at half the file-size, and see that the duration of video per CD isn't half and half. A nastier surprise is when you see that you've split by half the movie duration and the file-sizes differ by a hundred MBs. That's VBR in action for you.

Regards.

[Honza]

Is possible add some hodden otption?

I thing, that force smooth matrix should be good idea (for noisy and animated movies) or choice of several matrix).

For people which prefer watching movies using computer or computer with TV-Out should be interesting custom b-frames setting, or at least posiblity set 2 consecutive B-VOPs.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Honza
Is possible add some hodden otption?


no :) so far almost all the options are necessary for dealing with some type of source.

Originally posted by Honza
I thing, that force smooth matrix should be good idea (for noisy and animated movies) or choice of several matrix).


matrix is chosen automatically according to compressibility, so no need to set it (sharp matrix setting is useful only for short sources)

Originally posted by Honza
For people which prefer watching movies using computer or computer with TV-Out should be interesting custom b-frames setting, or at least posiblity set 2 consecutive B-VOPs.

out of scope - ppl that know what b-frames settings are and would like to modify them - should not use AutoGK.

[ydobon]

Hello, all.

I've just started to experiment with .ts sources and while looking for a way to cut the .ts file directly (without demuxing) I've found DVR-video ( http://www.haenlein-software.de/ ). The problem is that the output .ts generates the following error when I try to open it in AutoGK: 'bf5' is not a valid integer value.
PVAStrumento (a demux tool) can work with the .ts file, so I'm not sure where's the problem. Any idea?

Alternatively, does anybody know of a .ts cutting tool whose output can be opened in AutoGK?


Regards,

[magneez]

of course you are right about the splits...i meant simply overlap-splitting on keyframes (1-2 keyframe overlap with, say, 2 second minimum in case of adjacents), without any regard for scene and stuff like that...

this is for hardware players that take a few seconds to display picture after playback has begun (like Xoro, and sometimes Kiss)

anyway... just a timid suggestion, would not want to complicate this noble enterprise...

cheers

[magneez]

shit...how did that happen. didnt mean to open new thread. sorry.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
The problem is that the output .ts generates the following error when I try to open it in AutoGK: 'bf5' is not a valid integer value.


please post the output of DGTable on that source (its part of DGMPGDec package)

[ydobon]

Hi,

Originally posted by len0x
please post the output of DGTable on that source (its part of DGMPGDec package)

This is before cutting:
------------------------------------------------
DGTable 1.0.0 -- PAT/PMT Parser by Donald A. Graft
------------------------------------------------

Program 30057
PCR on PID 0xa4
Other on PID 0xc7
MPEG2 Video on PID 0xa4
MPEG2 Audio on PID 0x60
Other on PID 0xd0
Other on PID 0xde
Other on PID 0xd5
Other on PID 0x0

And this is from the fragment:
------------------------------------------------
DGTable 1.0.0 -- PAT/PMT Parser by Donald A. Graft
------------------------------------------------

Could not find PAT/PMT tables!

So I guess DVR-video must be doing something wrong...


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Could not find PAT/PMT tables!


Even though - the error you're getting is a bit weird. Try naming input file all lowercase (I found a bug preventing TS sources to be handled correctly if extention is uppercase) - it should say that tables are not found and you have to manually override PIDs in ".tstream" file.

[ydobon]

Hi, Len0x.

Originally posted by len0x
[...] Try naming input file all lowercase [...] it should say that tables are not found and you have to manually override PIDs in ".tstream" file.

The files were already lowercase, and I get that message with the original (uncutted) .ts

I've tried with another file and now a .ts that generates the error: 'a4' is not a valid integer value. has this DGTable output:
------------------------------------------------
DGTable 1.0.0 -- PAT/PMT Parser by Donald A. Graft
------------------------------------------------

Program 30057
PCR on PID 0xa4
Other on PID 0xc7
MPEG2 Video on PID 0xa4
MPEG2 Audio on PID 0x60
Other on PID 0xd0
Other on PID 0xde
Other on PID 0xd5
Other on PID 0x0

Does it gives you any clue?


Regards,

[len0x]

I know what the problem is now

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
I've tried with another file and now a .ts that generates the error: 'a4' is not a valid integer value.

try with version 1.53

[thop]

i cant download, says module isnt active :confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
i cant download, says module isnt active :confused:

this simply cannot be true :)
which url are you using?

[thop]

I tried all 3 mirrors:

http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=10
http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=8
http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=9

[len0x]

all three working for me - try deleting cookies in your browser

P.S. which browser ?

[thop]

Nope doesn't help :confused: I use IE6 SP2.

[len0x]

I don't know then. If you're are able to browse list of downloads then module is active already for you.

[thop]

http://www.gamecube-online.net/images/smilies/traurig.gif http://www.gamecube-online.net/images/smilies/traurig.gif http://www.gamecube-online.net/images/smilies/traurig.gif

[len0x]

You can try mozilla firefox just in case...

[thop]

I tried with lynx now, doesn't work either.

http://www.huno.net/cstm/gk2.png

http://www.huno.net/cstm/gk1.png

[len0x]

But you're trying to access "Your account" module that is not active indeed! why ?

[thop]

That's where the site forwards me when i press any of the download links.

[thop]

wget "http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=10"
--18:44:02-- http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=10
=> `index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=10'
Resolving len0x.btothec.com... 207.44.186.95
Connecting to len0x.btothec.com[207.44.186.95]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: index.php?name=Your_Account [following]
--18:44:03-- http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Your_Account
=> `index.php?name=Your_Account'

[len0x]

try again. i cleared session table. you probably had registered on some other portal and that's what confusing mine...

[thop]

Nope still down't working. Don't think it's a session or cookie thing since wget f.e. doesn't know anything about cookies.

[len0x]

ok, leech protection is kicking in there - somehow your sessions are not registered on my site properly...
http://www.cpgnuke.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=1189.html

P.S. just for the sake of it I cleaned up sessions again. Go to the main website and click through downloads listing again...

*Edit* may be you have cookies disabled - that's why session is not registered properly...

[thop]

Nope :( The only thing that changed is that the URL always shows http://www.autogk.net now and not the idividual pages.

Ok it was the cookies, i have "3rd Party" cookies disabled. Enabling it worked. I had them disabled for 3 years now or so though, and downloads always worked before on autogk.net.

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop

Ok it was the cookies, i have "3rd Party" cookies disabled. Enabling it worked. I had them disabled for 3 years now or so though, and downloads always worked before on autogk.net.

Well, my guess would be: when I moved website to another host I didn't move actual DNS name, so there is a redirection involved and cookies are coming not from the main domain (autogk.net) but from another one(len0x.btothec.com)

[MRisos]

Hi, excellent program works perfectly for me.. only 1 small feature that i'd like to have the videos i encode are not perfect around the edges the only thing i'd like to see would be a feature like "null transform" in virtualdubmod i like to crop my videos 20/20/20/20 around all 4 corners so its nice and sharp.. i know i can use the modified autocrop way, although would be nice to have a setting in the autogk app to do this.


Thanks for all your work on AutoGK.

:)

[sillKotscha]

for those of you who can't download from len0x website, try...

- AutoGK update v1.53 beta (http://fin.afterdawn.com/ohjelmat/video_ohjelmat/dvd_rippaajat/autoGK_beta_update.cfm)

[ydobon]

Hi, Len0x.
Originally posted by len0x
try with version 1.53
All the .ts files that gave the error message can be opened now with v1.53

Thanks a lot.

[ukb007]

Thanks for the link. I do so hope AGK downloaded from that site isn't in Dutch. Because that's Greek to me.:)

Regards.

[ydobon]

Hi, again.

Now that I can use my .ts files as AutoGK input, I've tried to make an AVI from a .ts with two audios. But AutoGK doesn't find the second audio. This is the log (copied from the log window):


[31/08/2004 16:40:32] AutoGK 1.53b
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Job started.
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Input file: tcm_mogambo_1.ts
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Output file: D:\tcm_mogambo.avi
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Audio: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0x60
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Audio2: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0x61
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Subtitles: none
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Codec: XviD
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Target size: 2240Mb
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Custom audio settings: CBR MP3 with bitrate: 128Kbps
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Started encoding.
[31/08/2004 16:40:32] Demuxing and indexing.
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Processing file: D:\\tcm_mogambo_1.ts
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Processing file: D:\\tcm_mogambo_2.ts
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Processing file: D:\\tcm_mogambo_3.ts
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Processing file: D:\\tcm_mogambo_4.ts
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Source resolution: 528x576
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Found PAL source.
[31/08/2004 16:46:12] Analyzing source.
[31/08/2004 16:54:05] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[31/08/2004 16:54:05] Found 166720 frames
[31/08/2004 16:54:05] Enforcing mono audio encoding.
[31/08/2004 16:54:05] Encoding audio.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Second audio is not found.
*************************************
[31/08/2004 16:58:48] Job finished.

And this is the DGTable output of the .ts file:

Program 28526
PCR on PID 0xa4
MPEG2 Video on PID 0xa4
MPEG1 Audio on PID 0x60
MPEG1 Audio on PID 0x61
Teletext/Subtitling on PID 0x2c
Other on PID 0x12d
Other on PID 0x6e


The problem seems to be with DGIndex because only one .mpa file is demuxed from the .ts sources. DGIndex actually runs twice, but the second one the "Format" field remains blank and the "Timestamp" stays at "0:00:00".

Right now I'm using a workaround: I start the encode with one audio and abort it once I have the .mp3 file. Then I restart the encode with the second audio and put the first MP3 in the agk_tmp file while the new audio is being demuxed.

Correction: The workaround doesn't work :(

I hope this info helps to nail the problem.


Regards,


P.S. I can make available a fragment of the .ts file if needed

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
P.S. I can make available a fragment of the .ts file if needed


That would be useful. At least we'll know who's fault is that.

[ydobon]

Hi,

I just sent you a PM with the URL to get a 20s fragment (10MB).


Thanks in advance.


P.S. Would it be possible to reverse the order of the source analysis and the audio transcoding steps? It would save some time when using this job-abort approach (which can be used to encode a third audio as I explained at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81641 )

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon

P.S. Would it be possible to reverse the order of the source analysis and the audio transcoding steps? It would save some time when using this job-abort approach (which can be used to encode a third audio as I explained at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81641 )


well, actually analysis step was put forward on purpose (you can wait until it finishes to see what kind of source you're dealing with and restart encoding with diff IVTC parameters for instance) - it would be really inconvenient to wait for audio encoding to be finished...

[ydobon]

Yep. That's certainly worth the wait. Forget the suggestion.

Regards,

[len0x]

Good news about second audio bug for TS - its just I forgot about second audio when I was fixing your previous bug, so now its fixed completely :)

*Edit* to get second audio working in current version use ".tstream" hidden file.

[ydobon]

Fantastic. Thanks a lot.

[bob0r]

I tried searching, but with 135 pages its not fun, so here is my question:

A commandline tool for autogk does that exist or can/will it ever be made?

What should it do? simple:

autogkcommandline.exe -dvd2xvid
autogkcommandline.exe -dvd2divx ... whatever


autogkcommandline.exe -dvd2xvid -dvddir D:\DVD -1cd -mp3 vbr192 E:\output.avi

Something like that, can be alot of options, but not to many, as therefor autogk exists :)

WHY commandline? Well there is this ftp daemon called: ioFTPD, it runs on windows and it allows you do to a lot of things.

site unrar, site rar, site vcdgear, site wget etc etc...

Having autogk commandline, would be awesome for remote encoding, no need for remote desktop, just use FTP!

[len0x]

Originally posted by bob0r
I tried searching, but with 135 pages its not fun

that why we have FAQ: Q 5.3

[bob0r]

Originally posted by len0x
that why we have FAQ: Q 5.3

5.3 Will you make a CLI version of AutoGK?
- no, never

Ah, CLI, command line interface, no wonder i could not find it, thanks.

Such a shame though, only makes life easier, any big reason for it? or pure a time issue? In that case, what amount of $ would change your mind?

[ydobon]

Hi,
Originally posted by bob0r
Such a shame though, only makes life easier, any big reason for it? or pure a time issue? In that case, what amount of $ would change your mind?
I was also strongly in favor of a CLI for AutoGK, but in one of those 135 pages Len0x said he didn't want to happen the same as DVDDecrypter (find the program in some rip-off software package). See http://www.dvddecrypter.com/ for a little bit more of info.

Knowing the huge amount of work something like AutoGK represents, I understand his point of view and, for what is worth, agree with it.

I can't complaint either as every suggestion/bug report other than a CLI has been implemented/fixed quite fast, as you can see a couple of posts before this :)


Regards,

[len0x]

I really want to get 1.55 stable out ASAP, so I can continue working on some major things like avisynth 2.5.5 support (that probably breaks some things), so if you have any bugs to report please shout now :)

P.S. for the moment we're only trying to solve some compatibility issues with ESS-based players...

[ydobon]

Hello there,
Originally posted by len0x
[...] so if you have any bugs to report please shout now :) [...]
THIS IS NOT A... I mean... ahem... this is not a bug report but a feature request. I think it shouldn't be too difficult.

In DVD mode, AutoGK adds a tag to each audio based on the stream labels: English, Spanish, and so on and this is very useful. In File Mode is also done but the tags are not very helpful (e.g. "MPEG2 audio on PID 0x51"). Could you please make that if the .tstream hidden file is like this:

A6
69 English
68 Español

...AutoGK uses that text instead of the "MPEG2 audio on PID..." tags?

I know, it's just cosmetic, but it would save the aditional VDubMod step to fix it :)


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
...AutoGK uses that text instead of the "MPEG2 audio on PID..." tags?


Well, that info is picked up at runtime and as soon as I get command line PID detector utility from Neuron2 - .tstream file will be obsolete. So there is no really a generic way of describing streams...

[ydobon]

Hi again,

Originally posted by len0x
So there is no really a generic way of describing streams...
In that case I would prefer no audio tags in file mode, because the default of "audio 1" is better than the cryptic "MPEG2 audio on PID 0x51".


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
In that case I would prefer no audio tags in file mode, because the default of "audio 1" is better than the cryptic "MPEG2 audio on PID 0x51".


that can be done indeed :)

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
I really want to get 1.55 stable out ASAP, so I can continue working on some major things like avisynth 2.5.5 support (that probably breaks some things), so if you have any bugs to report please shout now :)

P.S. for the moment we're only trying to solve some compatibility issues with ESS-based players...

Hey, len0x...

Feature request for future version - I recently encoded a french movie Vidocq, which presumably was originally shot in France @ 25fps (?), and then poorly converted to 29.97 fps for the NTSC DVD release. In viewing the source frame by frame, it looks mostly interlaced, but there do appear to be periodic single progressive frames. Of course DGIndex was unable to detect any progressive pattern, and identified the video as interlaced, so the encode went at 29.97fps. The resulting video was a little jerky and had some field-blending blur, overall didn't look that good.

I managed to use the AutoGKTweaker utility to change the script to include the following:

Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=3,post=2).Decimate(6)

That deinterlaced the movie pretty well perfectly, and the resulting .avi was 24.975fps with audio perfectly in sync, plays back perfectly smooth, and looks much better.

I'm not sure if this would be a frequently used feature, but it may. You could call it something like "Force Deinterlace of PAL->NTSC Source"?

[ukb007]

I do not want AGK source code to be published, or a command-line version. AGK represents a major breakthrough in the DVD>mpeg4 encoding process for the end-user, and it is very well supported by its developer (as opposed to other good programs like, say, VobSub, which the brilliant programmer releases and forgets all about). We have no reason to complain because len0x always makes decent attempts to fulfill ALL the cogent and logical demands of the end-users that would obviously help many others, too. Especially when we remember that he does all that in his spare time. We have no information that he is a billionnaire, being a descendant of the Romanovs, and has plenty of free time to devote to anything that pleases him. I think we are all thankful for what we are getting FREE.

Regards.

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow

I'm not sure if this would be a frequently used feature, but it may. You could call it something like "Force Deinterlace of PAL->NTSC Source"?

Have you tried RePal on that source?

Regarding including this into AutoGK - although there may be quite a few sources like that in NTSC land since its impossible to autodetect that (unless those progressive frames are really periodic) or even suggest to try that option - most ppl will have no chance to use it. Such advanced fellows like yourself can still manage to use AutoGK Tweaker.

P.S. How about looking at hidden_options.txt and filling missing options in Hidden Options tool ? :)

[trioxin]

I am having issues with autocrop with one dvd. The first 3 minutes of the dvd are letterboxed widescreen (approx 1.85:1 with black borders added). After the intro the dvd goes into 4:3 fullscreen mode.

Autocrop crops it wrong. The only way I could get it too work is by adding this to the autocrop settings:
samplestartframe=2400
If I use hidden options to increase the number of frames to scan it takes forever to preview it.

Any chance you can add the option to change the start frame like you did for the threshold & scan length?

AutoGK absolutely rocks, keep up the good work!!!


thanks,
trioxin

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
I really want to get 1.55 stable out ASAP, so I can continue working on some major things like avisynth 2.5.5 support (that probably breaks some things), so if you have any bugs to report please shout now :)

P.S. for the moment we're only trying to solve some compatibility issues with ESS-based players...

Well this isn't an ESS problem but I'll list it anyway on the off chance that it can be solved. I'm not sure if it is a bug in AutoGK or a problem with the encoding of the original file.

I am using a programme to record television (called web scheduler). It produces an mpg file which works fine through zoom player, media player classic and windows media player.

when I attempt to use autoGK 1.53 on it, the result is that the audio is not synchronised with the video properly.

However, if I run the mpg files through projectx and then use IFO edit to turn the files into a DVD format, then AutoGK ge's the audio in synch with the video.

I assumed that this must be a problem with the initialy recorded mpg file, so I attempted to use ProjectX to just produce a ts file as it's output, but AutoGK errord on that file (I don't remember the error but could reproduce it on request). I was hoping to cut down on the number of steps thta I would have to use to compress the files.

Paul

[ydobon]

Hi,

Originally posted by trioxin
Any chance you can add the option to change the start frame like you did for the threshold & scan length?

I'd find this useful too.


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
I'd find this useful too.


its already done :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
I assumed that this must be a problem with the initialy recorded mpg file, so I attempted to use ProjectX to just produce a ts file as it's output, but AutoGK errord on that file (I don't remember the error but could reproduce it on request). I was hoping to cut down on the number of steps thta I would have to use to compress the files.


You should always state the exact error you're having to save time (especially so close to the release time). Demuxing/indexing is done outside of AutoGK by DGIndex, so if something wrong then its there. But I'd like to have samples of both mpeg and ts (if its still fails) if possible.

P.S. 1.54 should be up shortly that improved TS handling. Please try it.

[len0x]

Well, 1.55 probably will not be stable release after all as I just did quite a number of changes in 1.54 beta. The most important two:

- support of Avisynth 2.5.5 (now it works only with it, not 2.5.4 anymore)
- better support for TS/HDTV sources (including 60fps ones - I finally got my hand on such samples)

[ydobon]

Hello,

I have a little doubt concerning "Auto Width" resolution. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been encoding some .ts files and I got the surprise of having AVIs with a resolution of 1088x480 and 1040x432 when both sources were 4:3 528x576.

How come AutoGK goes so high with the width? Is it must be something specific for file sources? The maximum width I've got from a DVD was 720 :confused:

I guess the "Maximum Width" option is the way to avoid this kind of surprise, but I'm curious about the reason of such resolution.


Thanks in advance.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
I have a little doubt concerning "Auto Width" resolution. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been encoding some .ts files and I got the surprise of having AVIs with a resolution of 1088x480 and 1040x432 when both sources were 4:3 528x576.


Which version and which mode are you using? I fixed some bugs regarding this in 1.54 (in quality based mode), so in principle it should not go above width of a source...

*Edit* maximum width settings will override source width indeed...

P.S. I'm so glad finally someone heavily using AutoGK on TS/HTTV sources! :)

[ydobon]

Hello,
Originally posted by len0x
Which version and which mode are you using?
1.53b with a 2240MB custom size. When I finish the current encode (couple hours) I can try with 1.54b.

As before, if you think a short clip can help you I can make it available.
Originally posted by len0x
I'm so glad finally someone heavily using AutoGK on TS/HTTV sources!
And I'm *so* glad AutoGK supports them :D

Now, if I could find a better .ts cutter than DVR-Studio...


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
1.53b with a 2240MB custom size.


Hm.. that's odd.

Originally posted by ydobon
As before, if you think a short clip can help you I can make it available.


I do! :)

Originally posted by ydobon

Now, if I could find a better .ts cutter than DVR-Studio...


ProjectX ?

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
but I'm curious about the reason of such resolution.


here we go, its a bug. initial comp test was run with resolution large that source, so resizing algorithm was trying to increment width until comp test results are OK (file was maxed out with width of 704 that is used for > 1CD rips), and condition for the end was never working as width never reached source width (coz it was larger to start with). fixed.

[ydobon]

Hello,
Originally posted by len0x
here we go, its a bug. initial comp test was run with resolution large that source, [...] fixed.
OK, thanks. Stopping upload. :rolleyes:

I'm still not sure what is the max width in my case (4:3, 528x576). As it's 4:3 the MPEG is extended to 768x576, isn't it? Is that "768" the max width that AutoGK considers?


Regards,

P.S. Now that you're back in unstable mode ;) can you make AutoGK remember the last input source (DVD/File). Do I beat any finickiness record when asking for this? :p

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
I'm still not sure what is the max width in my case (4:3, 528x576). As it's 4:3 the MPEG is extended to 768x576, isn't it? Is that "768" the max width that AutoGK considers?


Nah, 528 is maximum width. Height will be brought down to 400 though (as closest mod16 to 4:3 AR). Upsampling artifacts are worse then loosing some of the vertical lines...

Originally posted by ydobon

P.S. Now that you're back in unstable mode ;) can you make AutoGK remember the last input source (DVD/File).


Not sure - I still want to get 1.55 as stable one :)

[Shuichiro]

Don't know if it is aimed to be that way but if I choose a custom size of 1400MB AutoGK wants to split my encoded movie into 2 700MB avis.
It would be great if only preferred size would do that :) That would spare me 1,4Gig in my calculation (Laptop HDD ;)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Shuichiro
Don't know if it is aimed to be that way but if I choose a custom size of 1400MB AutoGK wants to split my encoded movie into 2 700MB avis.
It would be great if only preferred size would do that :) That would spare me 1,4Gig in my calculation (Laptop HDD ;)

FAQ Q 6.11

[thop]

I'm having trouble with AutoGK recognizing a DVD i ripped in DVDDecrypter, of course in IFO (PGC) mode. It says DVD was not ripped in DVDDecrypter but it was :confused:

Please get IFO here (http://www.huno.net/cstm/VTS_02_0.IFO) :)

[Thomas Davie]

I just finished backing up my entire first season of Survivors to DivX 5.2 using your program. Despite the fact that I had handled my original discs with exquisite care, inevitably fingerprints, etc impinged upon them (damn you alcohol!).

Well, I had ordered these from Amazon UK at 42 lbs, which equated to about $100 Cdn. Add in importation taxes, and I paid about $140 Cdn for the season (this was the only place I could find to order the season from).

I hesitated to play them because I didn't want to have to buy another set. So yesterday, and overnite, I backed up the entire 13 episodes using my laptop and an external burner. 325 mb per 50 minute episode. One 60 cent disc that plays on my stand alone DVD player.

Thanks again; I can now play them wihtout fear of losing something comparatively more valuable than one measly blank.

Tom

(As a side note, I know that a lot of the media thinks that using programs such as this are only good for one thing. But when you consider that many of us own entire runs of Star Trek, X-files, Stargate and so on, it easily runs into the 1000's of dollars).

[len0x]

Originally posted by thop
I'm having trouble with AutoGK recognizing a DVD i ripped in DVDDecrypter, of course in IFO (PGC) mode. It says DVD was not ripped in DVDDecrypter but it was :confused:

Please get IFO here (http://www.huno.net/cstm/VTS_02_0.IFO) :)

IFO is irrelevant, rather provide a stream info file please.

[ydobon]

Originally posted by myself
P.S. Now that you're back in unstable mode can you make AutoGK remember the last input source (DVD/File).
Err... I meant "remember the last input mode (DVD/File)".

Note to self: Must review before submit.:p

About my question about maximum resolution: If I set "Max Width" to 768 with a 528x576 source, will still the real maximum be 528?

And are those upsampling artifacts that bad? I've got some awful results with some sources but others were ok. I though it was just because of the source quality/bitrate.


Regards,

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
You should always state the exact error you're having to save time (especially so close to the release time). Demuxing/indexing is done outside of AutoGK by DGIndex, so if something wrong then its there. But I'd like to have samples of both mpeg and ts (if its still fails) if possible.

P.S. 1.54 should be up shortly that improved TS handling. Please try it.

I tried 1.54 and I can now do encode small ts files, but not large ones. I tried a 30 second capture successfully and then a 5 minute file successfully. Then I tried a 70 minute file and I received the following error:
---------
VirtualDub Error

AviSynth read error:
Avisynth: caught an access violation ay 0x01353919,
attempting to read from 0f2cbc900
---------

The file is 3.2GB so I have no way of getting it to you. I am attempting different types of files and different sizes. When I get something that I can send to you I will - can you downlaod 1gb files from www.yousendit.com?

(I find that you bring out new releases faster than I can run the tests :rolleyes: - Things seem to get better with every release anyway :)

Paul

[thop]

Originally posted by len0x
IFO is irrelevant, rather provide a stream info file please.
Ah i didn't know that AutoGK needs the stream info, now that i made the stream info file it works :)

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by paul_ahb

(I find that you bring out new releases faster than I can run the tests :rolleyes: - Things seem to get better with every release anyway :)


with 1.54 have not been able to make anything go wrong with the original mpg files that are being generated by my tv recorder. But I as mentioned before I am still having difficulties with the ts files that ProjectX generates. This is not such a big deal for me if I can encode direct from the mpg files but I'd be happy keep testing if you'd like me to.

Paul:)

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
with 1.54 have not been able to make anything go wrong with the original mpg files that are being generated by my tv recorder.


are you saying that mpeg files are working OK now (even of large sizes) ?

Originally posted by paul_ahb
But I as mentioned before I am still having difficulties with the ts files that ProjectX generates.

but only large ones?

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Err... I meant "remember the last input mode (DVD/File)".


I'll see if that can break anything or not, if yes, then right after stable release

Originally posted by ydobon

About my question about maximum resolution: If I set "Max Width" to 768 with a 528x576 source, will still the real maximum be 528?


yes


Originally posted by ydobon

And are those upsampling artifacts that bad? I've got some awful results with some sources but others were ok.


I'm just against the idea of introducing pixels that are not there in the beginning. The player can do it during playback - why waste bits on something that is not of a good quality?

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
are you saying that mpeg files are working OK now (even of large sizes) ?

Yes :) I am currently running another test for a series of 3 mpg files
accross my home network. If it is all finished and working properly by the time I get home from work, I'll be very happy.

but only large ones?

that's right, large TS files (generated from the mpg file by ProjectX) are failing giving that error that i posted earlier.

Paul

[Thomas Davie]

Originally posted by len0x
are you saying that mpeg files are working OK now (even of large sizes) ?



but only large ones?

For what it's worth, I used a 4 gb mpeg2 file from my DVD recorder in AutoGk and had no problem.

Tom

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb

that's right, large TS files (generated from the mpg file by ProjectX) are failing giving that error that i posted earlier.


at what point the error occurs?

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
I'd be happy keep testing if you'd like me to.


Can you try something for me - get VDubMod 1.5.10.1+bugfix and replace the one you have in AutoGK directory. I tried 11Gb of TS (in 3 files) overnight and although i didn't have any error - resulting AVI could not be played properly (not even part of it) as it was played on fast forward at 50-60fps. I have suspicion that VdubMod doesn't like large input files... (or it might me avisynth)

[ydobon]

Hello,
Originally posted by len0x
I'm just against the idea of introducing pixels that are not there in the beginning. [...] why waste bits on something that is not of a good quality?
Well, It's not exactly a waste, isn't it? Upsampling the width allows using the full vertical resolution. I'm particularly thinking in very wide movies where more than 40% of those 528x576 pixels are black bars.

If a 2.35:1 movie is broadcast as 4:3 528x576, only 528x327 of that is image. Correcting the ratio downwards gives 528x225 (0.12 Mpx) while doing it upwards it's 768x327 (0.25 Mpx). That's a 45% of "new" pixels (31% of the total) for a 111% more of image (more than the double).

I'd like that when "Maximum width" is set higher than the source width, AutoGK consider that maxwidth as the limit. I don't know if it's possible.


Regards,

P.S. About the previous posts: FWIW, I've encoded without problem a 7.5GB .ts file (DVR-Studio output, though).

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Hello,

Well, It's not exactly a waste, isn't it?

Everything is a waste when you're tring to encode pixels that do not exist in the source. Otherwise why not encode all normal DVDs as 720p?? Ideal encode is obviosuly anamorphic encode in all cases (no downsampling, no new pixels). If not, then I prefer downsampling and then resizing during playback.

Originally posted by ydobon

I'd like that when "Maximum width" is set higher than the source width, AutoGK consider that maxwidth as the limit. I don't know if it's possible.


that is possible.

Originally posted by ydobon

P.S. About the previous posts: FWIW, I've encoded without problem a 7.5GB .ts file (DVR-Studio output, though).

My problem actually turned out to be in demuxing part - ac3 audio length was shown to be 13 hours in vdubmod instead of 1h50m. So demuxing in DGIndex is not perfect I can see (projectX is nice though), but nothing we can do about it since Neuron2 is not around here...

[ch@@boom]

Originally posted by len0x
Then don't. Its a very old version now and totally not supported anymore...

just wanted to let you know I am still using this version ..
I am just doing 850MB Xvid encodes (40 so far), not a single problem so far

P4 3,2GHz
1GB Ram
WinXP SP1

BTW is there a list or ressource where I can read about all the hidden files ? where you can change verious settings for autogk (like 3 passes instead of 2, .. avisynth stuff etc. ..)

thx

[ydobon]

Originally posted by ch@@boom
BTW is there a list or ressource where I can read about all the hidden files ? where you can change verious settings for autogk (like 3 passes instead of 2, .. avisynth stuff etc. ..)

Well, there's the hidden_options.txt file in your AutoGK directory :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by ch@@boom
just wanted to let you know I am still using this version ..


I'm not saying that its a bad version - in fact its the last stable one. Just in case someone runs into problems I'm not able to fix it there unless its reproducable on the most recent one.

[len0x]

I've put online another version, that I consider an RC. Unless some really serious bugs found its gonna be released next week.

[lark]

i'm getting Sorry, this Module isn't active! from all the mirrors.

btw i've been wondering, why the filesize is always reported as 0 bytes...

regards
t :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by lark
i'm getting from all the mirrors.


FAQ Q 0

Originally posted by lark
btw i've been wondering, why the filesize is always reported as 0 bytes...


Because I have to manually put number of bytes there - I just cannot be bothered as I do releases quite frequently...

[lark]

thx for quick reply.
must have been the cookies, thus couldn't figure out, how to set that only for one server in firefox and had to back up for ie...

sorry for the manual filesize issue. would there be a possibility to omit the whole text not to confuse downloaders?

btw thanks a 1000000 for the great proggy!

regards
t :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by lark
sorry for the manual filesize issue. would there be a possibility to omit the whole text not to confuse downloaders?


not really, as its not configurable on nuke-based systems.

Originally posted by lark
btw thanks a 1000000 for the great proggy!


ppl should stop saying that and instead donate or at least click on the ads on my website :D

[lark]

Originally posted by len0x
ppl should stop saying that and instead donate or at least click on the ads on my website :D

ok, will stop.
and i immediately went and clicked the adds like crazy ;-)

regars
t :)

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
at what point the error occurs?

I have pasted the log here to show where it stops and the error is produced:

[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] AutoGK 1.54b
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Job started.
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Input file: JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).ts
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Output file: U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).avi
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Audio: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0xc0
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Subtitles: none
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Codec: XviD
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Target quality: 50%
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Started encoding.
[11/09/2004 12:52:58 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[11/09/2004 12:56:37 AM] Processing file: U:\!TVEdits\compression
[11/09/2004 12:56:38 AM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[11/09/2004 12:56:39 AM] Source resolution: 704x576
[11/09/2004 12:56:39 AM] Found PAL source.
[11/09/2004 12:56:39 AM] Analyzing source.

The error is a VirtualDub Error. I believe that I am using VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1.

You said that you want me to try a different version of virtualDubMod... where do I get this version?

Paul

[len0x]

Originally posted by paul_ahb
[11/09/2004 12:56:39 AM] Analyzing source.

The error is a VirtualDub Error. I believe that I am using VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1.

You said that you want me to try a different version of virtualDubMod... where do I get this version?


So analysis step is failing. I assume you're using avisynth 2.5.5, right? (that is supplied with 1.54/1.55). You can get latest VdubMod here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdubmod/VirtualDubMod_1_5_10_1_All_inclusive.zip?download
plus update: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdubmod/VirtualDubMod_1_5_10_1_b2439.zip?download

P.S. Can I get hold of sample TS file from you somehow?

*EDIT* Does exclamation mark in the path make any difference for VDubMod I wonder...

[QNX]

i have a million dollars question :D

does the AGK supports DTS streams in DVD?

[assen79]

Hi!
After start encoding the process interrupt an there cames up an error message in the log:
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] AutoGK 1.55b
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Job started.
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Input dir: C:\DVD
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Output file: C:\DVD\Top Dog.avi
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Audio: Deutsch
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Subtitles: none
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Codec: DivX
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Target size: 700Mb
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Custom resolution settings: minimum width of 512 pixels
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Started encoding.
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Demuxing and indexing.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "C:\DVD\agk_tmp\Top Dog.d2v". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[10.09.2004 17:05:33] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
i have a million dollars question :D
does the AGK supports DTS streams in DVD?

No. Now gimme me my million :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by assen79
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Demuxing and indexing.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "C:\DVD\agk_tmp\Top Dog.d2v". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[10.09.2004 17:05:33] Job finished.

I'm looking into this - I buggered it up somehow :(

[assen79]

Athlon 1400+
256 MB DDR Ram
Mainboard AS Rock
WIN XP PRO SP2
Could the Problem be the Service Pack 2?

[QNX]

Originally posted by len0x
No. Now gimme me my million :D
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ok... the second question for 2 millions

is it posible to add just demux option and join DTS sound to encoded avi? cause i can't get sound from the DVD :(

or tell me how to extract DTS sound via other programm :)

[QNX]

and another question.. i have 404 error on all mirrors for 1.55.. is it uploaded already or not? :rolleyes:

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
and another question.. i have 404 error on all mirrors for 1.55.. is it uploaded already or not? :rolleyes:

It was removed and replaced with 1.56 that is working now :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by assen79
[10.09.2004 17:05:32] Demuxing and indexing.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "C:\DVD\agk_tmp\Top Dog.d2v". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[10.09.2004 17:05:33] Job finished.

To those who didn't realize - version 1.56 solves this problem. 1.55 won't work at all...

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
is it posible to add just demux option and join DTS sound to encoded avi? cause i can't get sound from the DVD :(


Actually DTS transcoding is possible to implement (like in normal GK), but not muxing (as this will requite AVIMUX instread of VDubMod). But the reason it's not implemented is: it will only work if you have WinDVD installed.

Originally posted by QNX
or tell me how to extract DTS sound via other programm :)

DGIndex can demux it with no problems the same way as AC3.

[QNX]

much 10x :D

[Hesse]

Originally posted by len0x
Actually DTS transcoding is possible to implement (like in normal GK), but not muxing (as this will requite AVIMUX instread of VDubMod). But the reason it's not implemented is: it will only work if you have WinDVD installed.


len0x,
I'm able to mux DTS with VDubMod into the MKV container fine. I guess you're saying you need AVIMUX to use AVI and DTS audio?

Jesse

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hesse
I'm able to mux DTS with VDubMod into the MKV container fine. I guess you're saying you need AVIMUX to use AVI and DTS audio?


yes, AutoGK doesn't support MKV.

[QNX]

well... in fact i need to make from this DTS - mp3 and mux it with avi :D

DTS is playing fine, almost, with ac3 filter... i have sound first 30 mins and than - silence :D

edited

azidts -core -input 1.dts -output 1.wav :D

[vio_man]

I don't understand why do we have to install a stable release and then the beta release to use the beta. Why don't you build a beta package without the need to install the stable one first?

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
So analysis step is failing. I assume you're using avisynth 2.5.5, right? (that is supplied with 1.54/1.55). You can get latest VdubMod here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdubmod/VirtualDubMod_1_5_10_1_All_inclusive.zip?download
plus update: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdubmod/VirtualDubMod_1_5_10_1_b2439.zip?download

P.S. Can I get hold of sample TS file from you somehow?

*EDIT* Does exclamation mark in the path make any difference for VDubMod I wonder...

The TS file is over 3GB, I don't know how to practically get it to you.

I don't beleive that the ! in the path could be causing the problem because I have successfully encoded an mpg file in the same directory as the ts file.


I upgraded to AGK1.56 and tested on the ts file with the same result.

I download the versions of VDubMod and replaced the folder in the AGK folder. Testing the TS file again with the new versions resulted in the same problem:

VirtualDub Error
Avisynth read error:
Avisynth: caught an access violation at 0x01373919,
attempting to read from 0f2cdc900
...

[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Job started.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Input file: JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).ts
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Output file: U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).avi
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Audio: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0xc0
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Subtitles: none
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Codec: XviD
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Target quality: 50%
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Started encoding.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[11/09/2004 2:53:21 PM] Processing file: U:\!TVEdits\compression
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source resolution: 704x576
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Found PAL source.
[11/09/2004 2:53:24 PM] Analyzing source.


I didn't mention before that if I click ok to the error then the encoding seems to continue. I have not previously let it complete, I will let this happen now and let you know the result if this would be helpfull.

Paul

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by paul_ahb

I didn't mention before that if I click ok to the error then the encoding seems to continue. I have not previously let it complete, I will let this happen now and let you know the result if this would be helpfull.


At this point:
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] AutoGK 1.56b
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Job started.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Input file: JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).ts
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Output file: U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).avi
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Audio: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0xc0
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Subtitles: none
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Codec: XviD
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Target quality: 50%
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Started encoding.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[11/09/2004 2:53:21 PM] Processing file: U:\!TVEdits\compression
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source resolution: 704x576
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Found PAL source.
[11/09/2004 2:53:24 PM] Analyzing source.
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Found 97122 frames
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Encoding audio.
[11/09/2004 3:19:18 PM] Running single pass encoding.

I received another error:
VirtualDub Error
Avisynth open failure:
Evaluate: Unrecognised exception!
(U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\agk_tmp\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital)_movie.avs, line 21)

Clicking ok completed the job:
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] AutoGK 1.56b
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Job started.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Input file: JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).ts
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Output file: U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital).avi
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Audio: MPEG1 Audio on PID 0xc0
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Subtitles: none
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Codec: XviD
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Target quality: 50%
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Started encoding.
[11/09/2004 2:49:16 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[11/09/2004 2:53:21 PM] Processing file: U:\!TVEdits\compression
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Source resolution: 704x576
[11/09/2004 2:53:23 PM] Found PAL source.
[11/09/2004 2:53:24 PM] Analyzing source.
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Found 97122 frames
[11/09/2004 3:02:36 PM] Encoding audio.
[11/09/2004 3:19:18 PM] Running single pass encoding.
[11/09/2004 3:22:38 PM] Duration was: 3 minutes 19 seconds
[11/09/2004 3:22:38 PM] Speed was: 487.11 fps.
[11/09/2004 3:22:38 PM] Job finished.

No AVI was produced though.

Paul

[lazyn00b]

Hi, I am using AutoGK 1.56 beta to convert 1080i and 720p HDTV Transport Streams (.tp) to Xvid with AC3, with the width of the video resized to 720 pixels. The 1080i encodes are coming out very well with compressability in a normal range (40-50%) and with the desired file size of about 17 MB per minute, but the 720p encodes are looking very bad at similar file size with compressability half of 1080i! Then I noticed that the converted 1080i was playing at ~29.970 fps, while the 720p conversions were playing at ~59.940. Yes, I know that this is the native framerate of many 720p sources, but isn't it normal when encoding such sources to Xvid/Divx to decimate every other frame? I wonder if such a high framerate is the cause of the bad compressability. Thanks for any suggestions,

lazyn00b

[submax]

I am that is not advanced "a normal" user like those of this forum but i would appeal that autogk has indication in the GUI of the BITRATE for the quality's movie

excuse for my english, i am a italian user

[manono]

Hi submax, and welcome to the forum-

You can get the bitrate for the finished movie from GSpot. (http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Editing/gspot221.exe) I don't know that there's any way to tell the bitrate in advance, for a 1-pass quality encode.

[len0x]

Originally posted by vio_man
I don't understand why do we have to install a stable release and then the beta release to use the beta. Why don't you build a beta package without the need to install the stable one first?

Coz ppl would scream if they have to download more that 6Mb every time I release new beta. Update right after stable release is supposed to be very small usually - only now many things changed, but stable version coming soon anyway.

[len0x]

I received another error:
VirtualDub Error
Avisynth open failure:
Evaluate: Unrecognised exception!
(U:\!TVEdits\compression tests\agk_tmp\JAG (2004-09-07 12-00 SCT Digital)_movie.avs, line 21)


what is on that line?

[ydobon]

Hello, all.

Posted by len0x
- maximum width setting can now be larger than source width

Thanks for that. I've already re-encoded two movies and the extra width (I got a width higher than the source but lower than my 768px max) gives excellent results.
Also posted by len0x
- DVD/File mode setting is now persistent across several runs of AutoGK

Very nice. If I dare to ask (I'll keep doing it until Len0x tells me to shut up :)) it would also be user-friendly if the file open dialog remembered the selected file type:

- MPEG2 Video files(*.vob,*.m2v,*.mpeg,*.mpg)
- Transport Streams(*.ts,*.tp,*.trp,*.m2t)

or if simply both types were merged under a "Supported input formats" type.


Concerning .ts multifile inputs, I usually get a set of files like this one:

&nbsp; Brubaker.ts
&nbsp; Brubaker.ts.001
&nbsp; Brubaker.ts.002
&nbsp; Brubaker.ts.003

and I have to rename them for AutoGK like this:

&nbsp; Brubaker_1.ts
&nbsp; Brubaker_2.ts
&nbsp; Brubaker_3.ts
&nbsp; Brubaker_4.ts


I don't know if that's a job for AutoGK or DGIndex, but it would save the additional renaming step if this other sequence naming pattern was recognized.

And finally, about the recent request about the bitrate, I think it would mostly confuse the novice user AutoGK targets. And if you don't mind using an extra program, PVAStrumento tells you the bitrate of .vob, .mpg and .ts files.


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by lazyn00b
Yes, I know that this is the native framerate of many 720p sources, but isn't it normal when encoding such sources to Xvid/Divx to decimate every other frame? I wonder if such a high framerate is the cause of the bad compressability.

It certainly is. Starting with version 1.54 AutoGK is not longer automatically bringing fps down by SelectEven() like it used to. It check for dupes and should be able to extract 24fps sources from it. I don't have any examples where 30fps source should be used (i.e. every second frame is a dupe), so I can't implement this yet. There are quite a few "real" 60fps sources without dupes that will look really jerky with 30fps... So I don't know what is the material you're dealing with, may be you can supply me with a small sample.

P.S. There is a smart way to bring down fps for large number of cases via FDecimate(), so I'll do some tests and may be add this as a hidden option.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
or if simply both types were merged under a "Supported input formats" type.


only this option is available to me...

Originally posted by ydobon
I don't know if that's a job for AutoGK or DGIndex, but it would save the additional renaming step if this other sequence naming pattern was recognized.


DGIndex only recognizes one pattern for automatic pick up of files...

[SonGokuDBZ]

first of all thanks for AutoGK, it gets better with every new release!

I've just encoded some animes and after that I played a little bit with the new GK. Would it be possible to add the avisynth dup plugin to the .avs script if there is a .cartoon file?

I get's much better rips with this plungin in my scripts!

Thanks

[paul_ahb]

Originally posted by len0x
what is on that line?

LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)

[ydobon]

Hi, again.
Originally posted by len0x
DGIndex only recognizes one pattern for automatic pick up of files...
In that case allow me to offer a silly workaround. I just did a DOS batch file, tsrename.bat that does the job:

ren *.ts.008 *_9.temp
ren *.ts.007 *_8.temp
ren *.ts.006 *_7.temp
ren *.ts.005 *_6.temp
ren *.ts.004 *_5.temp
ren *.ts.003 *_4.temp
ren *.ts.002 *_3.temp
ren *.ts.001 *_2.temp
ren *.ts &nbsp; &nbsp; *_1.temp
ren *.temp &nbsp; *.ts

I'm sure it must have some secondary effect I'm not aware of. But I use it in a directory containing only the files I want to rename and it works.


Hope it helps someone :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
avisynth dup plugin to the .avs

what is this?

[SonGokuDBZ]

Dup Filter for Avisynth:
"This is intended for use in clips that have a significant number of duplicate content frames, but which differ due to noise. Typically anime has many such duplicates. By replacing noisy duplicates with exact duplicates, a bitrate reduction can be achieved."

I've tried it and it worked fine.
don't know if it is useful in general, but i think so.

you could visit http://www.neuron2.net/dup/dupnew.html for more information!

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
In that case allow me to offer a silly workaround. I just did a DOS batch file, tsrename.bat that does the job:


Very useful, I'll put this into FAQ I think.

[len0x]

Originally posted by SonGokuDBZ
Dup Filter for Avisynth:


Well, you always can use AutoGK Tweaker to modify avs - adding random filters is out of scope at the moment (you want dup, others different filters, so it will never end).

[len0x]

I was reading the code while implementing FDecimate() support and found several inconsistencies in handling of different FPS, so very probably I fixed quite a few bugs that nobody noticed recently :) Downside may be that I might have introduced new ones - so please stress test it!

[len0x]

Originally posted by lazyn00b
while the 720p conversions were playing at ~59.940.

Now you can use .fps hidden file and enforce 29.970fps.

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
Now you can use .fps hidden file and enforce 29.970fps.

Hidden Options tool v-0.8 updated and sent to len0x today. Sorry for the delay - whole new set of responsibilities in RL has left me with precious little free time!

Once he's done testing it, He'll post it on the AutoGK download site (I'm assuming).

Changelog follows:

--------------------------
V-0.8 (September 12, 2004)
--------------------------

- Added 'Force Deinterlacing' when source was detected as hybrid (merged this option with 'Force Normal IVTC', since you can only use one or the other, not both

- Added Transport Stream Video and Audio PID specifiers.

- Added Audio ID speficier for File Mode when stream info wasn't processed.

- Added 'Force Sharp MPEG Matrix' override

- Added 'HDTV Frame Rate Reduction' (Reduces FPS for 60/50fps HDTV progressive sources using FDecimate filter. Analysis step will not be run if this option is used).

- Added tooltips for help on most options - hover over the option titles and input boxes or controls where appropriate.

***NOTE***: I did NOT add support for the following 3 options, because they need to reside in the AutoGK home directory, and since I can't be 100% sure that this wasn't modified by the user during install, you'll have to create them yourselves (they are probably not very frequently used anyway):

-.kerneldeint - Tune KernelDeInt filter threshold. This file has to be in AutoGK home dir unlike all others!

-.itu - for ITU resize method (same option as in full Gordian Knot). This file has to be in AutoGK home dir unlike all others!

-.debug - display VCF scripts for VDubMod in the logs. This file has to be in AutoGK home dir unlike all others!

[lazyn00b]

Originally posted by len0x
Now you can use .fps hidden file and enforce 29.970fps.

Thank you for this feature. I indeed checked the original source, stepping frame by frame, and saw that it was true 59.940 material, yet I would prefer to halve the framerate anyway, accepting the risk of jerkiness to improve quality on each frame. Thanks again!

lazyn00b

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
Once he's done testing it, He'll post it on the AutoGK download site (I'm assuming).


its up on the website

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
***NOTE***: I did NOT add support for the following 3 options, because they need to reside in the AutoGK home directory,

Well, the tool is launched for AutoGK only if it resides in the same dir, so you can just create those option in the same dir as the tool itself.

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
Well, the tool is launched for AutoGK only if it resides in the same dir, so you can just create those option in the same dir as the tool itself.

Yes, I thought of that last night before bed. I can use the vb "App.Path" property to get the path that the .exe is running in, and store the files there, assuming that it's been properly copied to the AutoGK directory. I'll add the missing 3 options later tonight and send you v-0.9.

[ydobon]

Hello, Len0x.
Originally posted by len0x (RE: tsrename.bat)
Very useful, I'll put this into FAQ I think.
I've been told by PM that it doesn't work very well if your filenames use "_". Mine don't so it works for me :P

I have a question/request: Is there any way of selecting the original mp2 audio (my .ts sources all come with MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio) instead of transcoding it to mp3?

My choice would be to have the original mp2 audio if it's not more than 128 kbps and transcode it if its bitrate is higher (same choice for second audio).

Does AutoGK do anything similar (maybe auto audio with >700MB AVIs)? Would it be possible to do it if not?


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
My choice would be to have the original mp2 audio if it's not more than 128 kbps and transcode it if its bitrate is higher (same choice for second audio).


There is no way for me to get what kind of audio and bitrate is used inside *.mpa file. Also muxing mp2 is not something common and probably break standalone compatibility.

[ydobon]

Hi, again.
Originally posted by len0x
There is no way for me to get what kind of audio and bitrate is used inside *.mpa file. Also muxing mp2 is not something common and probably break standalone compatibility.
Just playing around with the idea: AutoGK is made with Delphi, isn't it? I wrote code in Delphi to determine the time length of a media file (anything that can be opened with the TMediaPlayer component, *.mpa in particular). Would that and the filesize be enough to determine/approximate the bitrate?

About the standalone compatibility, I can try my next encode with mp2 and a Kiss DP-1000 if you want.

Now that I think about it, a hidden option to choose the .mpa file instead of the .mp3 one if the .mpa is smaller in size would also serve my purpose. :)


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Now that I think about it, a hidden option to choose the .mpa file instead of the .mp3 one if the .mpa is smaller in size would also serve my purpose. :)


i'll think about it after stable release (although i have to have more than just user wishing for that).

[MindlessOath]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
Yes, I thought of that last night before bed. I can use the vb "App.Path" property to get the path that the .exe is running in, and store the files there, assuming that it's been properly copied to the AutoGK directory. I'll add the missing 3 options later tonight and send you v-0.9.

i was thinking that autoGK makes a regkey when it installs and that key keeps the location to where the user most likly installed the application. (i belive it does cause everytime i update it finds it in the new upgrade installer by default meaning it uses a reg key)

so in your VB application, instead of using app.path use some windows API to check the registry in the correct location (which btw u will have to ask len0x or find it yourself (shouldnt be hard) and create the file or files in that location or in a subfolder.

im sure that will make it much less prone to problems rather than using app.path cause some people MAY not run it from the autoGK directory, i myself ran it from the rar file, and that just wont work very well.... tho if i wanted to use the shortcut cntr F9 or whatever it was, then indeed it would have to be in the autoGK folder

if ya need help with the registry thing, im sure u can find an example somewhere on the net www.planetsourcecode.com is just one source if u must have an example.

[ydobon]

Hi,
Originally posted by len0x
i'll think about it after stable release (although i have to have more than just user wishing for that).
Don't lose any time about it. I just asked because in the audio encoding forum I've been told to keep the mp2 if possible, instead of transcoding it to mp3, whatever the bitrate.

As I saw that the "Audio: Auto" option keeps the original AC3 when the AVI is >700MB, I though the "natural" behaviour would be to keep the original audio track of the .ts files when possible/reasonable.

I've found some audio tracks with low bitrates that when transcoded to mp3 have a metallic sound that I don't really like. But as one of the byproducts of AutoGK are the .mpa tracks, I'll just check the audio and swap the tracks if necessary. It's just an aditional run through VDubMod (which I'm already doing to add the language tags).


Regards,

[CeeJay.dk]

While googling I stumbled over this thread :
http://forums.divx.com/viewtopic.php?topic=60462&forum=21

It points out that some hardware players do not support the .sub + .idx format of external subtitles - They need .srt subtitles instead.

If this is true then I think AutoGK needs to be able to outout .srt subtitles.

Do you agree ?

[ydobon]

Hello there,
Originally posted by CeeJay.dk
[...] If this is true then I think AutoGK needs to be able to outout .srt subtitles.[...]
To convert binary (sub/idx) subtitles to text (srt) subtitles you have to do OCR. As far as I know this needs human intervention, so it's not possible to automatize this step into the process.

That doesn't mean that you can't have srt subtitles. When I want text subtitles I open the sub/idx with SubRip, and OCR the subtitles. A quick review with the dictionary of a word processor and voilá!


Regards,

[bob0r]

I am trying to encode a DVDr with DTS audio only, autogk will not allow me to add a job, i could find nothing of DTS in the FAQ.
When i select no audio track it does allow me to encode ( :o )
Anything i can do about this?

[len0x]

Originally posted by bob0r
Anything i can do about this?

Actually no. DTS cannot be trancoded or muxed without external tools. I should put this into FAQ indeed.

[bob0r]

Originally posted by len0x
Actually no. DTS cannot be trancoded or muxed without external tools. I should put this into FAQ indeed.

Hmm, isn't autoGK using all kind of "3rd party tools"?
But i guess a DTS tool cant work with autogk.

You got any tips for me? how i maybe can encode this dvdr afterall?

This is a chinese movie with jet li, chinese DTS audio only.
english subs and chinese subs (wide/letterbox).

autogk says: Chinese DTS 6ch

If i encode video with autogk, and make my own DTS > vbr mp3 audio file, you think it would be in sync when i use nandub? If not, time to buy a DTS player :sly:

[len0x]

Originally posted by bob0r
Hmm, isn't autoGK using all kind of "3rd party tools"?
But i guess a DTS tool cant work with autogk.


Well, in this case the third party tool is WinDVD :)
There are no free DTS decoders available.

Originally posted by bob0r
You got any tips for me? how i maybe can encode this dvdr afterall?


Demux DTS as usual with DGIndex (the name of the file will contain audio delay that you have to put in VDubMod when you do the muxing later), convert it to MP3 as described probably in the FAQ section of audio forum (I just haven't done this in a while). Or if you have WinDVD installed then you can use regular GK to do that. Then convert the movie via AutoGK with no audio and custom size taking into accout audio you have already. Then mux everything manually.

[CeeJay.dk]

Originally posted by ydobon
Hello there,

To convert binary (sub/idx) subtitles to text (srt) subtitles you have to do OCR. As far as I know this needs human intervention, so it's not possible to automatize this step into the process.

That doesn't mean that you can't have srt subtitles. When I want text subtitles I open the sub/idx with SubRip, and OCR the subtitles. A quick review with the dictionary of a word processor and voilá!

Regards,

You're right .. I hadn't thought about that. Ofcourse it needs to run without human intervention for use with AutoGK.

I can't figure out how to use SubRip with sub/idx though .. I found that SubResync that comes with AutoGK does a fine job .. I also wonder if SubMux that also comes with it is able to insert the subtitles into the avi-container as a textstream.

BTW .. if you do sub/idx -> srt after AutoGK have made the sub/idx wont you loose a little moviequality because AutoGK will have reserved space on the CD for the subtitles .. space that is now wasted ? (because srt's are so tiny)
It might be better to choose no subtitles in AutoGK and have another tool make the subtitles .. Maybe have Subrip make them from the decrypted vob's.

[ydobon]

Originally posted by CeeJay.dk
I can't figure out how to use SubRip with sub/idx though [...]
Just click "open dir" and select the (un-rared) .sub file
Originally posted by CeeJay.dk
if you do sub/idx -> srt after AutoGK [...] space that is now wasted ? (because srt's are so tiny)[...]
True, for me it's not a big deal as I do the movies from 1/3 DVD-R to 2 GB. But as you say, you can AutoGK your movie without subtitles and extract the sub/idx pair yourself with VobSub (http://www.doom9.org/dvobsub.htm), and then SubRip it (it is faster from the .sub than from the .vob files).


Regards,

[manono]

Hi-

BTW .. if you do sub/idx -> srt after AutoGK have made the sub/idx wont you loose a little moviequality because AutoGK will have reserved space on the CD for the subtitles

If your plan is to OCR to SRT or SSA or whatever format subs, then don't even bother telling AutoGK to make subs. As you said, it'll set aside space for them, and also waste a few minutes demuxing them. Just use SubRip to get them before, after, or during AutoGK by opening the IFO file. Then OCR from there.

I think that SubRip is a little bit better to do this with than Resynch because after you've done a bunch of them, and saved the SUM files, you build up a collection of SUM files. Then when you start to come across subs done by the same company, in the same fonts, you may not have to do any, or very little, typing.

[CeeJay.dk]

Thankyou to both of you .. I'll do just that.

[CeeJay.dk]

On another note .. I have discovered that if you remux the avi's produced by AutoGK with AviMuxGUI , you can reduce that size of about 1mb (it varies) , and the movie stays just as playable or better (muxing affects seeking and playback from slow media).

The default settings in AviMuxGUI work fine , but it mentions that a few hardwareplayers have problems with Reclists so I suggest you turn them off for use with such.

Muxing with AviMuxGUI might be a good finalstep for AutoGK.

What do you think ?

[len0x]

AVIMuxGUI used to have much more problems with standlones than just reclists and I don't want to bring another application into the pack.

[len0x]

Good news for subtitle users - I've managed to put automatic resizing of subs and its position via hidden file, so that you won't see squashed subs too high with the burnt-in subs :) (this option will not allow you to control position, its just tries to restore original DVD subs). It will go straight into stable release, so no testing will be done...

[Hesse]

Originally posted by len0x
Well, in this case the third party tool is WinDVD :)
There are no free DTS decoders available.


Actually, AC3Filter 1.01RC5 can decode DTS streams. It is what I use.

[Codesmith]

I am not seeing it at sourceforge.net?

[Hesse]

Originally posted by Codesmith
I am not seeing it at sourceforge.net?

Yes, that's true. Valex hasn't worked on it in some time and he didn't put the source up on sourceforge. There is a link here in the Doom9 forum.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76480&perpage=20&highlight=ac3filter&pagenumber=5

Scroll down, second to last post.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Hesse
Actually, AC3Filter 1.01RC5 can decode DTS streams. It is what I use.

There is a difference between playback filter and decoder...

[QNX]

than AC3 Filter can play DTS :P

[len0x]

What good does it do for us? We need a decoder that can be used in BeSweet/Azidts for transcoding.

[QNX]

for autogk - probably nothing

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3filter

it's DirectShow AC3 Decoder filter used to palyback AVI files with AC3 sound tracks and DVDs

;)

[len0x]

and you think I didn't know that?

[QNX]

dunno :p

you mean transcoding for DTS?

[CeeJay.dk]

Can you use Hybercube Transcoder ( http://hypercube.is.dreaming.org/ ) or dtsdec ( http://www.rarewares.org/others.html ) ?

[len0x]

Funny that nobody noticed that FDecimate and KernelDeInt were not updated in the package :) But looks like I'm not gonna be including new KernelDeInt anyway yet...

[thoralf]

Originally posted by len0x
AVIMuxGUI used to have much more problems with standlones than just reclists and I don't want to bring another application into the pack.
Get your point. However, if AutoGK is ever to support matroska, it would probably be a good idea to let mkvmerge do the muxing. VDubMod does have problems with special chars and track names and is generally not the best muxing application around ...

[len0x]

Its time to have some rest for me (and I have enormous workload at day time job these days), so I just got this out without new tutorial. For a week or two I do not plan any new updates.

[QNX]

len0x

you is da rulezzz :D

[rantingotaku]

Originally posted by len0x
Its time to have some rest for me (and I have enormous workload at day time job these days

and a much deserved rest it will be :)

[Schrade]

Hmm... has anyone been able to download this off the autogk.net? All I ever get is 'Sorry, this Module isn't active!'

[QNX]

nope.. working fine atm

from http://len0x.btothec.com/web3/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

[Exoskeletor]

Can autogk create subtitles in a file? (like .srt format).
When you select to use external subtitles has any difference if just don't select a subtitle language?

[Hobojobo]

Originally posted by Exoskeletor
Can autogk create subtitles in a file? (like .srt format).
When you select to use external subtitles has any difference if just don't select a subtitle language?


No.
AutoGK creates either burnt-in subtitles or external subtitles in idx/sub format.

In order to get a .srt file you can use SubRip on the idx/sub files. (OCR). The procedure needs some hand work.

[Exoskeletor]

Im using every time subrip cause i dont like the burn-in subtitles or im downloading the subtitles from the net.
It could be nice if autogk could done that but i think it's impossible

[len0x]

Originally posted by Exoskeletor
Can autogk create subtitles in a file? (like .srt format).


no, only *.idx/*.sub

Originally posted by Exoskeletor
When you select to use external subtitles has any difference if just don't select a subtitle language?

It has! External doesn't mean all, you still have to select which ones you want

*edit* Hobojobo was faster :)

[Codesmith]

It is just me, or is SPDIF output disabled for everyone.

I tried 1.01a RC5

I use a digital connection to my home theather setup for sound, so having an DTS decoder doesn't help me. What I really need is DTS passthrough!

[Bardock]

I've always used GK, and when I discover AutoGK I get impresed, because it was very easy, and I ripp lots of movies, so I win time.

But, the quality I get is not enought. I think, it will be usefull to let the user modify the codecs settings, or at least, making profiles like fast, standar and slow.

I used to use xvid with: H.263 matrix, vhq 4, trellis, chroma motion, adaptive quantification, one max bframe, packed bitstream, and sometimes turbo. This way, i get much more quality and they are almost full compatible with my SIGMA player.
The ripps I do with AutoGK in xvid, don't have the same quality, and don't use to be so compatible, they make sort jumps in complex scenes. I think this is because H.263 matrix is more compatible.

If you give freedom for choosing to advanced users, I think it will just be the perfect tool!

[len0x]

Originally posted by Codesmith
It is just me, or is SPDIF output disabled for everyone.
I tried 1.01a RC5


I think its a known problem with RCs... but sadly it doesn't look like its gonna be fixed any time soon.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Bardock
If you give freedom for choosing to advanced users, I think it will just be the perfect tool!

Why would you think its a tool for advanced users? Because its not...

[Bardock]

Why would you think its a tool for advanced users? Because its not...
I don't think that is a tool for advanced users, but advanced users that ripp lots of movies could take benefit from some AutoGK features.

I think an aplication doesen't have to be only for advanced or beginners, it could be for both.
But i also thing, not only advanced users may thank more codec control.

AutoGK rocks! its a fantastic tool, but in my opinion this will improve it

[AlmanNewfred]

I selected 'Display only forced subtitles', but in the two encodes I have done with 1.60 all subtitles were burned in.

Sorry if this was addressed elsewhere, but I couldn't find it.

[len0x]

Originally posted by AlmanNewfred
I selected 'Display only forced subtitles', but in the two encodes I have done with 1.60 all subtitles were burned in.


What do you see in IDX file? ON or OFF for forced subs ?

[AlmanNewfred]

(edit)

Never mind, I am an idiot. For some reason DirectVobSub was running which never happened before. Sorry...

[QNX]

new question

is there any chance to implement WMV9 encoding in autogk? :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by QNX
new question


it isn't new: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80853

[ydobon]

Hello all.

As I've mentioned before, I'm heavily using AutoGK for .ts --> .avi conversion. As AutoGK (actually DGIndex) takes the whole .ts as input, I've made kind of a breakpoint for VirtualDubMod to be able to select just the video I want (no initial or final remaning frames, and best of all, no ads!).

In a way it's similar to AutoGK Tweaker (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79227&perpage=20&pagenumber=1), but I made it so I can prepare a few encodes, go to sleep and find the work done in the morning. No user intervention in the middle.

I've made it as simple as I could, the source code is available and I've tried to comment it as well as I could. It shouldn't be very difficult to adapt it to other necessities (modifying AVISynth filters, adding filters to VirtualDubMod, etc).

If you want to take a look, you have it at http://ydobon.cjb.cc/

If you do, I'd appreciate any bug report, suggestion or comment.


Regards,

P.S. Will the YAAM (Yet another AutoGK modifier) acronym be necessary? ;)

Mmmm. Now I've noticed that when I skip a large amount of ads, AutoGK has already decided the resolution and it's pretty underestimated, so the final AVI results undersized... I'll have to think how to go around this...

[ydobon]

Hi again.

In the _.avs that AutoGK uses there's a
SelectRangeEvery(180,18)
and in the *_comptest.avs there's a
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)

Are those numbers always the same? If not, how are they calculated? I'm asking because I'm trying to compensate the "ad removing" I mention in my previous message.


Regards,

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
Are those numbers always the same?

Almost - its 10% or 2000 frames whichever is greater for comp test and 5% or 1000 frames whichever is greater.

P.S. I think the whole approach of changing the sources at avisynth level is wrong. Automate step described in Q 6.6 of FAQ is far better idea.

[ydobon]

Hi, Len0x.

The main problem with the Q6.6 approach is the same I have with the ".ts cutter" I use: You can only work with keyframes. If I want frame precision, there only two places I can touch: the .avs and the .vcf

There's also the problem of cutting in the middle: Q6.6 only allows trimming (left and right) the video. It's not possible to skip the ads.

I prefer editing the .vcf because I'm more familiar with VDub scripts, and because I see more possibilities for the small tweaks I like: selecting fragments, cropping, fadeins/fadeouts, ... but for long ad pauses, the video result undersized.

Right now I'm doing a two-step workaround: first a rough cut with a .ts cutter, then deleting at frame level with my program. Quite a job, but still way easier than the old do-it-all-yourself :)

Thanks for the info on the numbers, BTW. If you don't mind I've got another question: Is the resolution determined by the info after running *_comptest.avs or do you use something from the _.avs?


Thanks in advance.

[len0x]

_.avs file is used only for analysis, nothing to do with comp test and resolution.

Why don't you just edit TS in ProjectX and save it as TS again?

[ydobon]

Hi,

because projectX cuts only at keyframes (I frames). That's about 1/2 sec of resolution in my .ts files. I'd like to have frame resolution.


Thanks for the info.

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
That's about 1/2 sec of resolution in my .ts files. I'd like to have frame resolution.


would you mind me saying - what ??? :)

[len0x]

I'm playing with a new denoiser for next version of AutoGK (that would be RemoveGrain in mode 2). For speed reasons and actually compressibility I'd like to move denoiser after resizing (which will become sharper with new Lanczos4Resize as well). Anyone here thinks its not a good idea or everybody's happy? :)

[ydobon]

Hi,

Originally posted by len0x
would you mind me saying - what ??? :)
You know, those words had sense when I composed the sentence in my mind, but now that I read them... :)

I meant that my videos in TS format have around two I frames per second. So if I can only define cutting points at I frames (a-la-ProjectX) I can have up to 12 frames of garbage that I can't cut out. In ProjectX, DVR-Studio or DGIndex I can make cuts every 12 frames. At the VDubMod level, I can cut any single frame.

Oh, and I forgot to mention doing it this way saves me the time of re-saving the .ts file (they're usually 2-5 GB, but if you want to process a few of them, it takes a while).

Regards,

[Taurus]

I was just up to do some tests on my own with Removegrain and
Lanczos4Resize.
I will post my conclusions in one or two days if you want me to do so.
I will use HVS Best Matrix, HVS Good, Mpeg and H263 for my tests.
Source will be a sample of a Buffy rip.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
I was just up to do some tests on my own with Removegrain and
Lanczos4Resize.
I will post my conclusions in one or two days if you want me to do so.


sure, please do.
atm i have very strange results with Lanczos4 sometimes...

[Taurus]

Here are the results of my little query:

Source: Noisy Buffy Rip 4:3 Resolution Pal 720:576

XVID-1.0.2: Settings almost similar as in AutoGk, only one pass, constant Q:2

Matrices: H263, Mpeg, HVS Good, Hvs Best.

VirtualDubMod-1.5.10.1.b2439: Fast recompress

Avisynth-2.55: Just cropping and resizing (crop 14,6,696,560)(resize
544:400)
Filters: undot and vice versa removegrain ver.0.6

Resizer: Lanczos and Lanczos4

Results: Compressing
----------------------------------------------------------------
Lanczos4Resize_Removegrain_Mode2_HVS_Good.avi 28,361 MBytes
LanczosResize_Removegrain_Mode2_HVS_Good.avi 28,531 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Removegrain_Mode2_H263.avi 29,379 MBytes
LanczosResize_Removegrain_Mode2_H263.avi 29,549 MBytes
LanczosResize_Undot_HVS_Good.avi 29,896 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Undot_HVS_Good.avi 30,057 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_HVS_Good.avi 30,445 MBytes
LanczosResize_HVS_Good.avi 30,613 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Undot_H263.avi 30,789 MBytes
LanczosResize_Undot_H263.avi 30,967 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_H263.avi 31,594 MBytes
LanczosResize_H263.avi 31,717 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Removegrain_Mode2_Mpeg.avi 32,938 MBytes
LanczosResize_Removegrain_Mode2_Mpeg.avi 33,119 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Removegrain_Mode2_HVS_Best.avi 34,193 MBytes
LanczosResize_Removegrain_Mode2_HVS_Best.avi 34,371 MBytes
LanczosResize_Undot_Mpeg.avi 34,543 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Undot_Mpeg.avi 34,854 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Mpeg.avi 35,197 MBytes
LanczosResize_Mpeg.avi 35,336 MBytes
LanczosResize_Undot_HVS_Best.avi 35,963 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_Undot_HVS_Best.avi 36,301 MBytes
Lanczos4Resize_HVS_Best.avi 36,580 MBytes
LanczosResize_HVS_Best.avi 36,813 MBytes
----------------------------------------------------------------
Speed: not measured, clips too short.

Visual appearance: The source is pretty bad, but to my eyes, removegrain in conjunction with lanczos4resize does a pretty good job.
Just look at the specs.
There is some bugginess if you compare the numbers, I don't know where they come from. Did my best not to mess up the scaling.

The author of removegrain suggests to put the filter before any cropping.http://www.removegrain.de.tf/

To my opinion, this needs a little more testing.

Already tried Mode=8 on another sourc. Works quite well, but should be out of reach for implanting in AutoGk.

Thanks for your good work, anyway.

Cheers

Taurus

For a more comfortable reading:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/9676/Bild7.png

[len0x]

Weird though - lanczos4 is softer that lanczos3 and I though it should be vice versa (the only time it was correct was mpeg matrix)

[Corence]

Would it be possible to have some sort of visual notation showing if ESS compatibility is enabled after the installation? After updates I sometimes forget if I remembered to check the box and have to reinstall to be sure. This wouldn't be necessary if there were a checkbox showing that ESS compatibility was enabled.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
Weird though - lanczos4 is softer that lanczos3


This was the biggest surprise I got from my comparison.
And why are there sometimes the numbers changing?
In a mathematical model they should be all in a straight order,
So lanczos, lanczos4, lanczos, Lanzos4,...... or vice versa.

I will do some more testing, following the suggestions made by the
removegrain author.
Normally we're just in it for the fun, but this is real work.
Even by using some batches and registry hacks, it's a time consuming
thing.
To me it is no wonder, over at the matrice comparision thread, only a few members got involved, caus it's a painstaking procedure to get all the numbers counted.
Anyway, hope this was on any help.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Corence
Would it be possible to have some sort of visual notation showing if ESS compatibility is enabled after the installation?

Well, that possible, however you can already check that by looking for .ess file in AutoGK folder. If its there then ess mode is enabled.

[Corence]

I must have missed that. Thanks :)

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
I'm playing with a new denoiser for next version of AutoGK (that would be RemoveGrain in mode 2). For speed reasons and actually compressibility I'd like to move denoiser after resizing (which will become sharper with new Lanczos4Resize as well). Anyone here thinks its not a good idea or everybody's happy? :)

I never tried RemoveGrain, but using AutoGK Tweaker, I did some experimentation with Deen() on Breakfast at Tiffany's, which is a *very* noisy/grainy source, and the results were very impressive. AutoGK 1.60 on it's own was only getting around Q=40% @ 640xZZZ (sorry, logs aren't handy so numbers are rounded off). I inserted the extra filter both before and after Undot() with the following ersults: With Deen() before Undot(), quality jumped to somewhere around 70% for the same resolution, and Deen() after Undot() was around 65%, both significantly better than without the extra filter, and the visual results looked really good too.

Q: If any particular denoiser (or other simple filter, for that matter) is added to the script, as long as it is *always* added to every script at *exactly* the same place (eg. comptest, first pass, second pass), does that have any bearing on AutoGK's builtin processing logic?

I guess what I'm asking, is, could you not allow for (at least a few) additional filters, particularly denoisers, to be user-specified as a hidden option, and add those to the chain in the processing scripts? That's been my only hangup about AutoGK for a long time - it doesn't deal with noisy sources very well, so I've always had to go for a much higher bitrate to compensate.

Adding the filter as noted above seemed to work very well for me with my tests on that one movie (I also tried Convolution3D and a couple of others, which did *not* have as good a result as Deen() did). My gut reaction is that the impact of consistently adding one additional filter should be largely transparent to AutoGK, it sould just receive a different result from the comptest than it normally would, and go on with it's regular decision making regarding resolution, etc based on that. I don't know for sure, you're the author and are privy to the inner workings, but it seems simple to me.

Whatever you do would be a welcome addition, but if you're looking for input, my vote would go to Deen() as an additional denoiser. It would also be nice to allow for flexibility in where to place it, but that would definately count as an expert feature, requiring multiple encodes to get it right.

[len0x]

@therealjoeblow

No, you might be just lucky, but normally if there are quite a few encoding parameters changed (like matrix/resize/bframes) then comp test results can be thrown out of the window if you put heavy denoisers (resolution is adjusted based on precalculated empirical values that are tied up to avs script/codec parameter: i.e. switching matrix can give you 15% gain with undot and 30% with Deen). So there will never be support for more than just one default denosiser (which i don't think of as a denoiser, but just as simple cleaner). So we should not really discuss it any further :)

My question was only: before or after resize...

[richarddd]

I have a movie on 2 dvd disks that I'd like to convert to 3 CDs (2100 Mb) with AutoGK. Can I do this (other than by converting 1 dvd to 2 CDS and the other DVD to 1 CD)?

There's a reference in the FAQ to putting all files in one directory and renaming to *_.1*; *_.2*; etc. If this is the way to do it, what do I do about the two stream info.txt and .ifo files (one each from each disk)? For example, if I have VTS_02 - Stream Information.txt, VTS_02_0.IFO, VTS_02_1.VOB, VTS_02.2.VOB, VTS_10 - Stream Information.txt, VTS_10_0.IFO, VTS_10_1.VOB and VTS_10.2.VOB, how would I rename?

Apologies if I missed a post where this was covered.

[SNP]

any plan to add selectable sub in AGK? As in adding a browse button to select pre-ripped subs. This will be VERY useful esp in encoding anime as many anime DVDs have multiple eps in one single VTS. I know I can do that now by slipping in my own sub during the comp test phase but with that I have to constantly babysit the encoding if I'm doing multiple eps.

Thanks.

[ydobon]

@richarddd:

The reference you mention is for "file mode", not "DVD mode". And about the non-VOB files I think I remember Len0x saying that the .IFO files are only needed for the subtitles. So if you don't want subtitles, you won't need them.

About the stream info file, you can use just one of them if you're lucky and the streams in both are the same. If not, I don't think you can do it.

Other than that you can always do two 1050 MB AVIs and split at will. I know, not very pretty, and you can't be sure if you'll be able to join the end of the first with the beginning of the second, but hey, it's doable.

@SNP:

Why do you pre-rip the subtitles? And if you do, why not simply use them as external ones?


Regards,

[ydobon]

Hi, Len0x.

Originally posted by len0x
_.avs file is used only for analysis, nothing to do with comp test and resolution.
A follow-up question: When AutoGK says "Found 63667 frames" Where does it get that number from? The .d2v file? Also, do you use that number of frames to determine the chosen resolution?


Thanks in advance.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
My question was only: before or after resize...

I surely missed that part of your question a few numbers ahead.
Will do some more testing on the subject to see the behaviour regarding size, quality and speed.
Are you still interested in the results?

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
A follow-up question: When AutoGK says "Found 63667 frames" Where does it get that number from? The .d2v file?


not only, its resulting number of frames (i.e. after IVTC etc)

Originally posted by ydobon

Also, do you use that number of frames to determine the chosen resolution?


of course

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
Will do some more testing on the subject to see the behaviour regarding size, quality and speed.
Are you still interested in the results?


Yeah, but I know size and speed factors already (its only obvious that putting denoiser after resize you get better compressibility and faster speed). I'm very interested in subjective opinion about quality of the output. I myself would like to preserve as much visible details as possible (even if its grain). That's why I'm also interested to see how much difference is between mode 1 and 2 of removegrain (mode1=undot) you can see with your eyes.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
(its only obvious that putting denoiser after resize you get better compressibility and faster speed)

That's the same I found out.
Will do some more testing on visual appearance in the evening.
Mode=1 and Mode=2 compared to undot.
But I have to look for a more suitable source first, caus the last one used
is so grainy and bad (Buffy2). I have to search for another one for that job.

Cheers

Taurus

[ydobon]

Hi,
Originally posted by len0x
of course
Agh. Then I'm busted. The tweak I've done to avoid cutting my .ts files results in lower resolution the bigger is the cut :( :( :(

Well, at least I'm able to cut individual frames...

On a side note, with so many tests I noticed that if you have "no audio track" selected, AutoGK selects the first audio track when you open a new source. Is it a bug or a feature? :)


Thanks for the patience :D

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by richarddd
I have a movie on 2 dvd disks that I'd like to convert to 3 CDs (2100 Mb) with AutoGK. Can I do this (other than by converting 1 dvd to 2 CDS and the other DVD to 1 CD)?

There's a reference in the FAQ to putting all files in one directory and renaming to *_.1*; *_.2*; etc. If this is the way to do it, what do I do about the two stream info.txt and .ifo files (one each from each disk)? For example, if I have VTS_02 - Stream Information.txt, VTS_02_0.IFO, VTS_02_1.VOB, VTS_02.2.VOB, VTS_10 - Stream Information.txt, VTS_10_0.IFO, VTS_10_1.VOB and VTS_10.2.VOB, how would I rename?

Apologies if I missed a post where this was covered.

This is the way I do it:

you started with:

[files in DIR1]
VTS_02 - Stream Information.txt --> leave as is in DIR1
VTS_02_0.IFO --> leave as is in DIR1
VTS_02_1.VOB --> leave as is in DIR1
VTS_02.2.VOB --> leave as is in DIR1

[files in DIR2]
VTS_10 - Stream Information.txt --> ignore this file
VTS_10_0.IFO --> ignore this file
VTS_10_1.VOB --> rename to VTS_02.3.VOB and copy to DIR1
VTS_10.2.VOB --> rename to VTS_02.4.VOB and copy to DIR1

so now you have:

[files in DIR1]
VTS_02 - Stream Information.txt
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_02.2.VOB
VTS_02.3.VOB
VTS_02.4.VOB

[files in DIR2, which you can ignore]
VTS_10 - Stream Information.txt
VTS_10_0.IFO


You should be good to encode from DIR1 now for most 2 disc movies (I understand from others that there are a few oddballs that will give you problems with this method, but all I've tried worked correctly).

NOTE: the only major issue is that you will not be able to encode subs automatically this way, because the stream info for the 2nd disc isn't used in the process, so the subs would be screwed up. If you want subs, BEFORE you do the rename/move -> you should run a 'bogus' AutoGK session on each disc individuallty with any arbitrary video and audio settings, but with the correct subtitle settings for what you want. After the subs are indexed and rar'ed, you can then abort that session (as I said, do for both DVD discs, to produce proper subs for each one). Then SAVE THE SUB FILES SOMEWHERE!, and now you can carry on and do the rename/move bit, run the full encode, setting your target file size to take into account the size of the subs. After the encode, you'll then need to use the directvobsub tools to:

1) recombine your 2 separate sub files into 1 to match the overall length of time for the whole 2 DVD movie, and the
2) split the recombined sub file into separate chunks for each of your 3 CD's

The subs are a bit of a pain for multi-DVD movies, no doubt.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
That's why I'm also interested to see how much difference is between mode 1 and 2 of removegrain (mode1=undot) you can see with your eyes.

Sorry for the delay. Daytime job.
Well after looking for a new source for my comparision, I finaly decided to take another Buffy episode. This time Buffy 5.
It's much cleaner than the older episodes. PAL 16:9 25fr
Made an AVS scipt using AutoGk. 720*416 Resolution. Xvid Q:2 as used by AutGk. No more filtering; degrainers at the end of the scipt.
Mode=8 just for testing(incredible)(lanczos_undot for comparision)
-----------------------------------------------------
Buffy_lanczos4_removegrain_mode8.avi----42,252 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos4_removegrain_mode2.avi----43,023 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos4_removegrain_mode1.avi----44,537 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos4_undot.avi----------------44,605 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos_undot.avi-----------------44,998 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos4.avi----------------------45,371 MBytes
Buffy_lanczos.avi-----------------------45,604 MBytes
-----------------------------------------------------
So here are my subjective conclusions:

On a phosphor display it's hard to see any difference between undot and removegrain Mode=1&2. Even strong zooming into the clip does not show remarkable difference. If you want to stay as conservative as possible, my opinion is: use Mode=1. If you want some extra encoding headroom,
Mode=2 is the one. As I wrote, to my eyes both look almost identical,
even at zooming into the pictures.
But I think still undot is doing a fairly good job compared to a non filtered file.

But the real headshaker is Mode=8. At this greasy source it dramatical changed necessary bitrate and quality(great).
But this was just for fun:D

Hope this is on any help.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by ydobon
On a side note, with so many tests I noticed that if you have "no audio track" selected, AutoGK selects the first audio track when you open a new source. Is it a bug or a feature? :)


May be both in a sense that other behaviour was never requested :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
But the real headshaker is Mode=8. At this greasy source it dramatical changed necessary bitrate and quality(great).


Really? What is so dramatical - size went down just 0.8M, when mode 2 gave 1.5Mb less than mode 1...

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
Really? What is so dramatical - size went down just 0.8M, when mode 2 gave 1.5Mb less than mode 1...
You're right...
Just the visual appearance. A little wax on human skin but the overall
impression was real natural. It all depends on the source.
I would NEVER use a degrainer on clean sources. Purist.
But this is another story.
P.S.: Just compared a few samples lanczos versus lanczos4.
Strange, the filesize is less on lanczos4.
And I can't tell a difference in visuality:rolleyes:

Have a good day (night)wherever you are.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Taurus
P.S.: Just compared a few samples lanczos versus lanczos4.
Strange, the filesize is less on lanczos4.
And I can't tell a difference in visuality:rolleyes:


ok, lets proceed with lanczos4 and see where it gets us :)

[richarddd]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
This is the way I do it:

Thanks. That seems to work.

As a bit of background, I was ripping Lawrence of Arabia, which is approx 2 hours on disk 1 and 1 hour on disk 2, and having sync problems on the second disk. After some testing and searching this forum, I figured out that the problem was caused by the intermission included at the beginning of disk 2 (blank screen & silence followed by music). If I unchecked all the intermission chapters (about 20 chapters of about one second each and about 5 chapters of about one minute each) before ripping, all is well. Doing everything as one job resulted in approximately equal quality for each CD, which is what I wanted.

[haubrija]

I have a quick question (apologize if its been asked before)

I've been using AutoGK to archive my .ts streams recorded from a Fusion3 card. I edit out commercials with HDTV2MPEG2 before.

I had been told that ProjectX would help me sorten out some Audio Sync errors I had been having.

I edit the stream with HDTV2MPEG2 first. I then loaded the .ts into ProjectX. I chose to save it to a .ts stream.

When ProjectX is done doing its thing, I attempt to load the resulting .ts into AutoGK. For some reason the audio is not read after running it though ProjectX.

It looks like the PID have been changed. What was once 0x21 and 0x24 (audio and video respectively) have become 0xE0 and 0xFFFFF. Is there something I've been doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

[TreborPugly]

Putting the files on CD.

I've looked over the How-to guides for Auto GK, and some other DivX creation tools. Nowhere do I see anything about the format of CD's you make for stand-alone devices. Do you just burn data CD's, with the *.avi files on them and some stand-alone DVD players will recognize the AVI's? Or do you need to create something like VCD's?

And are there any stand-alones that will recognize DVD's with DivX files on them? For example, I like the idea of creating one DVD with several kid's DVD's worth of shows on them, reducing the number of disks I need to have available to the kids.

[btothec2]

Yes,

You just burn them as data cd's. And almost all f not all standalone Divx players will allow you to burn several avi's on on dvd.

B


Originally posted by TreborPugly
Putting the files on CD.

I've looked over the How-to guides for Auto GK, and some other DivX creation tools. Nowhere do I see anything about the format of CD's you make for stand-alone devices. Do you just burn data CD's, with the *.avi files on them and some stand-alone DVD players will recognize the AVI's? Or do you need to create something like VCD's?

And are there any stand-alones that will recognize DVD's with DivX files on them? For example, I like the idea of creating one DVD with several kid's DVD's worth of shows on them, reducing the number of disks I need to have available to the kids.

[Carraway]

Originally posted by Carraway
I recall a while ago that there was talk that AutoGK was producing dark encodes. [...] I have several just generally dark sources [...] how feasible (or infeasible!) would a .filters file be, in which you could add internal avisynth filters like tweak(bright=xx) or levels(1,1.x,255,0,255) that would then be appended to the end of the comptest and movie avs files?

Originally posted by len0x
wait for config file support (which is at least 1 month away from next stable release date).

Two questions:

First, len0x: any update on support for levels() and tweak() to brighten unusually dark Xvid encodes?

Second, anyone can answer, but len0x will probably know best: if avisynth filters are appended to the end of both the movie avs files as well as the comptest avs files, will that still throw off the values of the comptest?

EDIT:

About the second question, by "appended to the end of the avs file" I of course mean inserting them immediately prior to the resizing. Applying filters after resizing would change their use in the comptest since the comptest uses a different resolution than the movie.avs file would.

[len0x]

Originally posted by haubrija
It looks like the PID have been changed. What was once 0x21 and 0x24 (audio and video respectively) have become 0xE0 and 0xFFFFF.

that can be a problem. AutoGK and its applications only support four digits PIDs, so FFFFF may not work. You can assign another PID manually in options of ProjectX, I believe.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Carraway

First, len0x: any update on support for levels() and tweak() to brighten unusually dark Xvid encodes?


no

Originally posted by Carraway

About the second question, by "appended to the end of the avs file" I of course mean inserting them immediately prior to the resizing. Applying filters after resizing would change their use in the comptest since the comptest uses a different resolution than the movie.avs file would.

There is absolutely no difference for comp test where filters are...
Please read my reply to therealjoeblow on the previous page to see what is affecting comp test for AutoGK's purpose (basically everything, but noise filters the most).

P.S. by comp test I mean resizing algorithm based on comp test and used in AutoGK.

[len0x]

As seen in today's news in www.doom.org jdobbs came up with an interesting idea of distributing an application to the donators first and some time later to the public. That is very appealing idea for me - what does the public thinks?

[bourtzovlakas]

My opinion is,that AutoGK is your program,your creation,your "child"!Therefore,you are justified to distribute it however you like....
But,I have one question.....How can you prevent a donator to release it to the public,before you do....
Anyway,if you choose to distribute AutoGK like this....I will gladly donate an amount,for no other reason,but to akwnoledge and support your efforts....

[Mc|Atm0s]

How about new XviD-1.1? :cool:

[len0x]

only when it gets released

[len0x]

Originally posted by bourtzovlakas
But,I have one question.....How can you prevent a donator to release it to the public,before you do....


Its more of a moral issue though - why would someone who supports the software and donates money would try to piss off the developer by leaking it outside?

P.S. there are ways of tracking who's copy is being distributed, but its mainly a question of - is it worth going through all that trouble to find that out or not.

[len0x]

Very experimental and I might not have time to fix bugs quickly these days. I would be happy to get this stable in a month time, so that before christmas I manage to get DV/AVI support in (but I will only start that once everything else new is working OK). Only after that I will consider rewriting hidden options support that should conclude version 2.0. Only after that hacking of AVS scripts should be possible (i.e. post 2.0 feature). And I'm still not sure what kind of distribution policy I will have by then.

[ydobon]

Hi, Len0x.

Originally posted by len0x
[...] interesting idea of distributing an application to the donators first and some time later to the public. That is very appealing idea for me - what does the public thinks?
First, the software is yours and you can do whatever you want.

But I don't like the idea. Maybe I'm being picky but doing something like that would convert the donation scheme in a priority pricing scheme. Want to have it first? Gimme money :(

To be honest and to profile myself, I've never donated any money to any software author. I've contributed with opinions, testing, translations and even some chunks of code, but no money.

I completely agree with your source code control policy. Rip-off packages are disgusting and I think keeping the source and avoiding CLI are appropiated measures. But messing with the concept of donation... bad move.


Again, it's just my opinion.

[len0x]

You probably don't realize but I'm starting to think that the idea of "forcing" ppl to donate is only happening because quite a few of them are ready to do so, but don't because its not needed (its quite suprising but I saw many times ppl saying that they would gladly buy AutoGK if they could - amazing fact it is, especially in the light of not so many donations). Also it might be the case that donations are considered to be not worthy - buying is much better justification of money spending.

Personally I think there are better methods of giving attention to the fact that you can donate (like startup splash windows etc), but I'm just too nice to put that all that stuff in there. And the only reason I don't like "donate for first access" options is that its too difficult to develop something that you release very often and it becomes a mess until you have your own private forum with lots of ppl inside it to make quick bugfixes.

Anyway it all comes from the fact that motivation is these projects tend to go away over time. I think I reached the point when AutoGK is almost everything it is supposed to be originally (this is not saying there is not much to do though) and most ppl are happy with it. So one day might wake up with a question: "Do I really need all this? Don't I have something else to do? It's time to move on!". And financial motivation can be the only one that may postpone this morning... And I already see that moment from time to time :)

[Sharktooth]

Wow, the sharp matrix is now EQM V2.
Nice :)
Did you do any tests?

[SNP]

Hi len0x, I posted this a couple pages ago, any suggestion or comment?

Originally posted by SNP
any plan to add selectable sub in AGK? As in adding a browse button to select pre-ripped subs. This will be VERY useful esp in encoding anime as many anime DVDs have multiple eps in one single VTS. I know I can do that now by slipping in my own sub during the comp test phase but with that I have to constantly babysit the encoding if I'm doing multiple eps.

Thanks.

[Taurus]

Thanks for the new release.
cos of deleting accidentally cookies in IE I had to do my way back to the AutoGk thread manually:)
but now I'm back on the tracks.
Will give Sharktooth's EQM V2 a try..

Cheers

Taurus

[Corence]

With the ESS support enabled, does the change to sharp matrix EQM V2 make any difference? Or are those of us with ESS based standalones not receiving the benefits of such changes?

[len0x]

Originally posted by SNP
Hi len0x, I posted this a couple pages ago, any suggestion or comment?

I'm still thinking about it

[len0x]

Originally posted by Corence
With the ESS support enabled, does the change to sharp matrix EQM V2 make any difference?

No, ESS mode doesn't use any of custom matrixes.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Wow, the sharp matrix is now EQM V2.
Nice :)
Did you do any tests?

A bit. I was looking for a better matrix than HVSBest, but having similar compressibility (although EQMV2 has lower compressibility it is being compensated by usage of RemoveGrain instead of Undot). Your matrix was highly recommended to me and current result that AutoGK produces has less block artifacts in high motion scenes that previous (ppl can test that - I'll be interested to hear opinions about quality 1.60 vs 1.70).

[Sharktooth]

Interesting.
I will test it ASAP.

[bourtzovlakas]

[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] AutoGK 1.70b
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Job started.
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Input dir: D:\**********\VIDEO_TS
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Output file: D:\**********\gits.avi
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Audio: Japanese
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Subtitles: none
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Codec: XviD
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Target size: 700Mb
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Started encoding.
[20/10/2004 2:36:13 oLd] Demuxing and indexing.
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Processing file: D:\*********\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Processing file: D:\*********\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Processing file: D:\*********\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Processing file: D:\*********\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Source resolution: 720x480
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Found NTSC source.
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Found 118894 frames
[20/10/2004 2:38:22 oLd] Encoding audio.
[20/10/2004 2:49:42 oLd] Audio size: 77,229,344 bytes (73.65 Mb)
[20/10/2004 2:49:42 oLd] Overhead: 4,755,712 bytes (4.54 Mb)
[20/10/2004 2:49:42 oLd] Video size: 652,018,144 bytes (621.81 Mb)
[20/10/2004 2:49:42 oLd] Running compressibility test.
[20/10/2004 2:49:42 oLd] Writing the following script to D:\***********\agk_tmp\gits_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("D:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\**********\agk_tmp\gits.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
Lanczos4Resize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[20/10/2004 2:49:52 oLd] Duration was: 10 seconds
[20/10/2004 2:49:52 oLd] Speed was: 590,81 fps.
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Cannot open file "D:\********\agk_tmp\frames.log". The system cannot find the file specified
*************************************
[20/10/2004 2:49:52 oLd] Job finished.



What am i doing wrong????

[Thomas Davie]

Originally posted by len0x

Personally I think there are better methods of giving attention to the fact that you can donate (like startup splash windows etc), but I'm just too nice to put that all that stuff in there. And the only reason I don't like "donate for first access" options is that its too difficult to develop something that you release very often and it becomes a mess until you have your own private forum with lots of ppl inside it to make quick bugfixes.



I've already found Auto GK useful enough that I would purchase it. I also am lazy enough that I won't bother with a donation (I know, a fault on my part). I'm also unable to use Pay Pal. Do you have a physical address where I could send a money order?

thanks

Tom

[len0x]

Originally posted by bourtzovlakas
What am i doing wrong????

If you open *_comptest.avs in vdubmod you will probably see the exact error.

[Corence]

I'm getting the same error as bourtzovlakas. The VirtualDub Error is:

Avisynth open failure:
LoadPlugin: unable to load "C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll"
(F:\Burn\Comedy\agk_temp\Eddie Izzard - Dress to Kill_comptest.avs, line 3)

I hope this helps. I've never had this error using previous versions.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Corence
LoadPlugin: unable to load "C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll"


is the dll file there?

P.S. Is your CPU SSE-compatible (coz thats what is required for RemoveGrain...)

[Corence]

The dll file is there. I'm using an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ CPU.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Interesting.
I will test it ASAP.

btw, what is the difference between V2 and V3HR?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Corence
The dll file is there. I'm using an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ CPU.

I have Athlon XP as well and didn't encounter this problem.
OS?

[Corence]

Windows XP Pro

SP2

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
btw, what is the difference between V2 and V3HR?
V2 has been tuned starting from my (personal) studies on human eye perceivable frequencies while V3HR has been tuned scaling the ReferenceDivx HVS matrix (taken from IEEE studies on human eye visual system) coefficients.
V2 has no inter matrix coefficients below 16 while V3HR starts with 15 (some standalones doesnt like that - for example ESS chipset based standalones).
V2 is also a little bit "softer" than V3HR that means V3HR preserves more fine details at the cost of compressibility (not so much...).

[Taurus]

--------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Corence
The dll file is there. I'm using an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ CPU.
--------------------------------------------------------------
On my machine everythings works fine. Athlon XP 2400, winXP SP2.
Did you install AutoGk Ver. 1.60 before updating to 1.70?
If not, you get the exact error you described.
Tested it on another machine.

@len0x

I found my time to give lanczos4resize/removegrain/EQM V2 a try =AutoGK beta 1.70.
Using an avs script generated by AutoGk and the *.vcf.
Tried it on three different sources. Artificial Colouring: Nemo
Dark Smoky Scenes: Matrix3, Noisy: Buffy 2&5
I didn't count any numbers this time, just my subjective impressions.
Compared it to the "traditional" sheme: Lanczos/undot/HVS Best.
Hard to say, who's the winner. On some scenes it's easy to see, the new combination is ahead, especially on motion scenes.
Sometimes a little rough around the edges. On more motionless scenes I
prefer the old combinations, they washed a little, give a more static view.
But the overall winner: Tada! New combination.
I know it's hard to decide which matrice for this or that purpose,
but I think it's a step in the right direction.
I remember times when I got upset with the somtimes blurry encodes I made with AutoGK. But this is far, far away now ;)
My eyes are hurting and I wish you good luck and a good hand in your decision which to take.
Everyone else should take into account that this is still beta
and could be changed tomorrow.

Rest my tired eyes

Cheers

Taurus

[evil ryu]

Originally posted by Corence
I'm getting the same error as bourtzovlakas. The VirtualDub Error is:

Avisynth open failure:
LoadPlugin: unable to load "C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll"
(F:\Burn\Comedy\agk_temp\Eddie Izzard - Dress to Kill_comptest.avs, line 3)

I hope this helps. I've never had this error using previous versions.

I have the same error but with "...sse2.dll".

I did a fresh installation of version 1.60 and then I have upgraded to 1.70b .

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x

Anyway it all comes from the fact that motivation is these projects tend to go away over time. I think I reached the point when AutoGK is almost everything it is supposed to be originally (this is not saying there is not much to do though) and most ppl are happy with it. So one day might wake up with a question: "Do I really need all this? Don't I have something else to do? It's time to move on!". And financial motivation can be the only one that may postpone this morning... And I already see that moment from time to time :)

I hear you - I got to the same point with the Hidden Options tool, and that was just a *very* simple addon to your bigger picture here. For any freeware developer, the application gets to where you wanted it to, life changes or gets busy on other fronts, and demands on the application naturaly grow beyond what you envisioned. That's the point where you either quit or go commercial. And i'm pretty sure noone was going to pay me for Hidden Options.exe ;-)

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by Thomas Davie
I've already found Auto GK useful enough that I would purchase it. I also am lazy enough that I won't bother with a donation (I know, a fault on my part). I'm also unable to use Pay Pal. Do you have a physical address where I could send a money order?

thanks

Tom

I second that - My credit card number was stolen last fall. After going through 4 months of sorting out fraudulent credit card charges, making police reports, statuatory declarations, etc, plus the stress of wondering whether I was eventually going to have to cover thousands of dollars in unauthorized charges, I can tell you, I'll never use my credit card online again. Ever. Period. If you had a snail-mail address, I would, however, send you a postal money order. I did so for Alessio Vito with eXtremeMovieManager in Italy.

[len0x]

Originally posted by evil ryu
I have the same error but with "...sse2.dll".


OK, I read up the thread of RemoveGrain and found out that this error is because you don't have "msvcr70.dll" installed in your system (it should be in windows/system32 dir). I'll try to package it with next version of AutoGK, but in the meantime you can just find this dll over the internet and put in your system directory.

[PlazzTT]

I'm trying to find a definitive list of:

1) What resize methods, and
2) What XviD Quant Matrices

AutoGK uses, and the relevent thresholds it uses for deciding which of the above to use and when.

Does anyone have a general idea?

[Rizlaw]

Originally posted by len0x
OK, I read up the thread of RemoveGrain and found out that this error is because you don't have "msvcr70.dll" installed in your system (it should be in windows/system32 dir). I'll try to package it with next version of AutoGK , but in the meantime you can just find this dll over the internet and put in your system directory.

lenOX,

If you package "msvcr70.dll" isn't it possible that you could cause problems for Windows Operating Systems that do have the correct version of this dll installed by overwriting the user's working installed version with the version you provide? I imagine there are different versions for different OS's. I know XP, and to a lesser degree, W2K, are supposed to stop this problem from occuring (installation of the wrong or older dll files.), but wouldn't it be safer to let the user do this - perhaps with a pop-up window from within AutoGK advising the dll is missing and required for proper operation?

[evil ryu]

Originally posted by len0x
OK, I read up the thread of RemoveGrain and found out that this error is because you don't have "msvcr70.dll" installed in your system (it should be in windows/system32 dir). I'll try to package it with next version of AutoGK, but in the meantime you can just find this dll over the internet and put in your system directory.

I have "msvcr71.dll" in WINDOWS\system32\URTTemp and in WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
OK, I read up the thread of RemoveGrain and found out that this error is because you don't have "msvcr70.dll" installed in your system (it should be in windows/system32 dir). I'll try to package it with next version of AutoGK, but in the meantime you can just find this dll over the internet and put in your system directory.
This DLL is applied by the Microsoft® Visual Studio .NET package.
On my machines even some real old versions from the year 2000 doing allright.
It's also part of the Microsoft C Runtime Library.
Maybe its integrated in the net framework, supplied by MS.
Some people don't install net framework by default during their XP setups.
This might explain, why some people are missing this file.
On all of my PC's (3) they exist, but dunno if it's some kind of voodoo:cool:
It should not harm your system if you add it manually, if it's not there, nothing to overwrite = no trouble.
A little google shows up: one version from 29.11.2000, another one fom
05.01.2002.
Hope this shed some light on the issue.

Cheers

Taurus

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

V2 is also a little bit "softer" than V3HR that means V3HR preserves more fine details at the cost of compressibility (not so much...).

In my tests V3 has 5-6% less compressibility which is quite a lot in terms of resolution (at least one mod16 step down). Otherwise I would consider it as well (sometimes i think about switching to 3 matrixes in which case things might change).

[len0x]

Originally posted by PlazzTT

1) What resize methods, and


lancsoz/lanczos4/neutral bicubic

Originally posted by PlazzTT

2) What XviD Quant Matrices


its being changed all the time and history reflects that (now its Jawor's/EQM V2)

Originally posted by PlazzTT

and the relevent thresholds it uses for deciding which of the above to use and when.


that is a "know how" of AutoGK - its just tries to get compressibility around 70%...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Rizlaw
If you package "msvcr70.dll" isn't it possible that you could cause problems for Windows Operating Systems that do have the correct version of this dll installed by overwriting the user's working installed version with the version you provide?

First, as Taurus said its not a system dll but MS Visual C++ runtime library - this doesn't differ from OS to OS, but from one Visual Studio service pack/patch to another and should not have any major differences between them.
Second, you think very little of me if you imagine me overwriting this dll by default - I'm not a rookie :)

Anyway - in the next version both dlls will be compiled staticly (I managed to do that from the source), so that no external libraries are needed.

[Rizlaw]

Originally posted by len0x
Second, you think very little of me if you imagine me overwriting this dll by default - I'm not a rookie :)


lenOx,

Actually, I think highly of your programming abilities. And no, I never considered you to be a rookie, and I don't think my post suggested any such thing. My question was posted before Taurus posted his response concerning the nature of the dll file in question.

Continue with the excellent work.:)

[MediaMage]

just confirming:
i have .net framework and sp2 installed,
-->error in RemoveGrain.dll

downloaded msvcr70.dll
(just googled it and use the first link, dll-files.com)
--> working!

[Yo]

Originally posted by len0x
[B]You probably don't realize but I'm starting to think that the idea of "forcing" ppl to donate is only happening because quite a few of them are ready to do so, but don't because its not needed (its quite suprising but I saw many times ppl saying that they would gladly buy AutoGK if they could - amazing fact it is, especially in the light of not so many donations). Also it might be the case that donations are considered to be not worthy - buying is much better justification of money spending.


I have seen some programs that call themselves "freeware", but then force people to "donate", in order to download it. (Such as the program "Fair Use". That seems rather strange to me.

It's perfectly understandable to charge for your work, everyone needs to make a living. But if the user has to pay for the software, it should not be called "freeware" any more, and the money paid should not be called a "donation".

So, if you wish to start charging for the product, it really shouldn't be called "Freeware" any more, and the money paid should be called a "purchase", not a "donation".

I'm not sure how it works with a product like yours, that bundles freeware products with it, that your program is a front end for. If you charged money for Autogk, do the developers of the bundled software (Vdubmod, xvid, etc., etc.) get part of the money earned?

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
In my tests V3 has 5-6% less compressibility which is quite a lot in terms of resolution (at least one mod16 step down). Otherwise I would consider it as well (sometimes i think about switching to 3 matrixes in which case things might change).
I could produce some dedicated custom matrices exclusively for AutoGK...
I just need some data to start with :)

Originally posted by len0x
Anyway - in the next version both dlls will be compiled staticly (I managed to do that from the source), so that no external libraries are needed.
That's not strictly necessary.
Maybe you could re-compile only the removegrain source with MS VC++ Toolkit 2003 so the required DLL will be MSVCR71.DLL that's included in the MS .NET Framework.

[Andee]

For ages now when I point AutoGK to VOB files it says that the audio is "Unknown Audio" where I previously would get Dolby mix and stuff like that.

Does anyone know why this is?

[rantingotaku]

hmm.. the versions just keep getting better and better, and faster too, what more could anyone ask for? *does a happy dance*

I do have one problem though..

I finally got off my butt and started encoding my .hack//sign episodes again (after finally getting my delayed vol.6 :mad: ). anyways, after batch encoding the last 3 episodes, I did a quality check on them, and I noticed the overall image quality is less than my original encodes (around autoGK v.1.43 I think).

The edges of characters faces, clothes etc is very jagged with autoGK 1.7, while the originals (1.43) are almost the same quality as the source (NTSC dvd). I tried it on episode 1 as well so I had something to actually compare to frame by frame (1.43 to 1.7) with the same results. :(

I don't know if it's something with xvid, or the new matrix's/filter combo.. I guess I'm throwing this out there for any suggestions.

encoding settings: xvid, 173mb, one audio/sub stream (128 vbr), auto or fixed width of 720 (some eps looked better with auto, some not).

Summary

older version gave better results for this source
is it possible to keep some of latest version and mix with some of old?
if at all possible, can I install 2 versions without conflict? (some sources work better with new, some don't)


sorry for the long-winded post, and take a break Len0x :D

[NMachiavelli]

Originally posted by len0x
You probably don't realize but I'm starting to think that the idea of "forcing" ppl to donate is only happening because quite a few of them are ready to do so, but don't because its not needed (its quite suprising but I saw many times ppl saying that they would gladly buy AutoGK if they could - amazing fact it is, especially in the light of not so many donations). Also it might be the case that donations are considered to be not worthy - buying is much better justification of money spending.

Have you considered a model with a pay-as-you-develop kind of approach? I ran across this recently, which seemed intriguing to me.

The philosophy:
http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/jason-rohrer/freeDistribution.html

An example:
http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/index.shtml

It would also seem to address your lack of motivation or uncertainty as to how much more development you want to do with it.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
I could produce some dedicated custom matrices exclusively for AutoGK...
I just need some data to start with :)


Interesting :) How about having HVS-tuned EQMV2 (or V3HR) that is no more that 2-3% percent less compressible than V2? Ideally we want to preserve as much details as possible (within a comressibility range), but only those details that are visible.

Originally posted by Sharktooth
That's not strictly necessary.
Maybe you could re-compile only the removegrain source with MS VC++ Toolkit 2003 so the required DLL will be MSVCR71.DLL that's included in the MS .NET Framework.

Not everyone has .NET framework anyway (but I'm indeed compiling it with VS.NET), so its simpler to use static linkage.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Andee
For ages now when I point AutoGK to VOB files it says that the audio is "Unknown Audio" where I previously would get Dolby mix and stuff like that.Does anyone know why this is?

FAQ Q 5.9

[len0x]

Originally posted by rantingotaku
Summary

older version gave better results for this source
is it possible to keep some of latest version and mix with some of old?
if at all possible, can I install 2 versions without conflict? (some sources work better with new, some don't)



You can install two versions with no problems (you have to create shortcuts to them manually as there is only one AutoGK group) as long as they are using the same versions of Avisynth, XviD, VobSub (coz those are the programs that are shared.) The rest is pretty much contained within AutoGK forder.

Regarding the difference where 1.70 is producing worse results - can we start investigating by comparing two log files from encodings of 1.60 and 1.70? We might be able to see different compressibility results, so that its still possible to adjust 1.70 to get the same results as in 1.60.

[len0x]

Originally posted by NMachiavelli
Have you considered a model with a pay-as-you-develop kind of approach? I ran across this recently, which seemed intriguing to me.
It would also seem to address your lack of motivation or uncertainty as to how much more development you want to do with it.

Great stuff, I have to say! It does look very appealing, although requires a bit of reorganizing of development process as current bugfixes should go out anyway while waiting/developing the next milestone. I can already see one of the milestones - DV/AVI support :)
The only thing to find out is how quick ppl actually start being involved in this (we have to be ready for the project to be stalled a bit).

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
Interesting :) How about having HVS-tuned EQMV2 (or V3HR) that is no more that 2-3% percent less compressible than V2? Ideally we want to preserve as much details as possible (within a comressibility range), but only those details that are visible.
That's not a problem. Actually i can parametrically HVS-optimize any matrix...

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
That's not a problem. Actually i can parametrically HVS-optimize any matrix...

Biggest problem is testing of them - we should have quite a few ppl to have a go on them to make sure new matrixes are better than old ones. Its always a problem with having something custom :)

[Sharktooth]

Well i can start optimizing matrices from metrics tests (SSIM and PSNR) results with a given compressibility.
Then, when matrices are ready, a blind test could be a good idea... :)

[Exoskeletor]

Autogk will support in the future the creation of mpg files or only avi?

[therealjoeblow]

I did my copy of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120815/ at a resolution of 608x352, 3078Mb target size (full DVD minus 700mb for 1 set of extras, and another 700mb for another extra) c/w AC3(5.1) in both AGK 1.60 and 1.70 (AutoGK selected that resolution in automode).

1.60 reports:
-------------
[10/25/2004 2:35:45 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 44.34
[10/25/2004 2:35:45 AM] Using softer matrix.
[10/25/2004 2:35:45 AM] Chosen resolution is: 608x352 ( AR: 1.73 )
[10/25/2004 2:35:45 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 58.35
.....
[10/25/2004 4:40:38 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 69.37


1.70 reports:
-------------
[10/23/2004 2:41:29 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 44.28
[10/23/2004 2:41:29 PM] Using softer matrix.
[10/23/2004 2:41:29 PM] Chosen resolution is: 608x352 ( AR: 1.73 )
[10/23/2004 2:41:29 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 58.27
.....
[10/23/2004 4:47:08 PM] Expected quality of first pass size: 74.31



I also did forced it to encode @ 640x368, 3078Mb target size with AGK 1.70 to see if there was any visual difference, which reported:

[10/25/2004 8:26:44 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 44.28
[10/25/2004 8:26:44 AM] Using softer matrix.
[10/25/2004 8:26:44 AM] Chosen resolution is: 640x368 ( AR: 1.74 )
[10/25/2004 8:26:44 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 52.95
.....
[10/25/2004 10:43:04 AM] Expected quality of first pass size: 68.20


To visually test, I then queued them all up in ZoomPlayer with ffdshow (Oct 12, 2004) as the decoder (all post processing and other enhancements OFF), and used ZP's "Next Track" command to cycle back-to-back through exactly the same 3~5 second scenes for each of the 3 encodes at about 10 different points in the movie, and compared relative perceptual quality and overall detail.

Both of the v-1.70's look the same to me, I couldn't tell any difference. However, the v-1.60 marginally wins in terms of overall quality - it has slightly more detail in facial closeups (you can marginally see more wrinkles and hair detail, etc). In action scenes, there's really no precievable difference in any of them.

It's really a close tossup, but visually I prefer v-1.60 on this film, just for the marginal increase in quality in static shots.

And, that said, this test was done watching on the computer monitor. Watching them on the 32" Sony HDTV from the couch, you can't really see any difference in any of them. I'll be trying v-1.60 @ 640x368 later tonight just for a complete comparison.

Also for interest, DRF Analyzer reports as follows (but the numbers don't really mean anything if visually one looks better than the others):

v-1.60 @608x352:
----------------
DRF=1&2: 31186 12.9%
DRF=3: 100880 41.8%
DRF=4: 40910 16.9%
DRF=5: 68486 28.4%
DRF=6: 0 0.0%
DRF=7: 0 0.0%
DRF=8: 0 0.0%
DRF=9: 0 0.0%
DRF>9: 0 0.0%
KeyF/DeltaF: 0.96%
KeyDRF<4: 2308
KeyDRF=4: 0
KeyDRF>4: 0

AverageKeyDRF: 2.54
MAXDRF: 5
AverageDRF: 3.59
Deviation: 1.03


v-1.70 @ 608x352:
-----------------
DRF=1&2: 48297 20.0%
DRF=3: 82827 34.3%
DRF=4: 60261 25.0%
DRF=5: 50082 20.7%
DRF=6: 0 0.0%
DRF=7: 0 0.0%
DRF=8: 0 0.0%
DRF=9: 0 0.0%
DRF>9: 0 0.0%
KeyF/DeltaF: 0.95%
KeyDRF<4: 2303
KeyDRF=4: 0
KeyDRF>4: 0

AverageKeyDRF: 2.63
MAXDRF: 5
AverageDRF: 3.44
Deviation: 1.03

v-1.70 @640x368:
----------------
DRF=1&2: 28203 11.7%
DRF=3: 103702 43.0%
DRF=4: 36670 15.2%
DRF=5: 72851 30.2%
DRF=6: 0 0.0%
DRF=7: 0 0.0%
DRF=8: 0 0.0%
DRF=9: 0 0.0%
DRF>9: 0 0.0%
KeyF/DeltaF: 0.97%
KeyDRF<4: 2344
KeyDRF=4: 0
KeyDRF>4: 0

AverageKeyDRF: 2.83
MAXDRF: 5
AverageDRF: 3.62
Deviation: 1.03



Just as a final point of interest, all encodes switched to the softer matrix, even at 1227kbps. I would have thought the sharp matrix would be used at such a high target file size (4.5 CD's).

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Then, when matrices are ready, a blind test could be a good idea... :)

That's doable if we have not more than 5 of them in total (including existing V2&V3). We can organize it in this forum.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Exoskeletor
Autogk will support in the future the creation of mpg files or only avi?

You mean mpeg2? No, I don't see the purpose of it and there are tools like DVD2SVCD already...

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
I did my copy of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120815/

Well, first its very tough movie to compress. Its known to be very noisy and not very representative of what kind of movies are out there.

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
Both of the v-1.70's look the same to me, I couldn't tell any difference. However, the v-1.60 marginally wins in terms of overall quality - it has slightly more detail in facial closeups (you can marginally see more wrinkles and hair detail, etc). In action scenes, there's really no precievable difference in any of them.


Second, its very unstandable - since only soft matrix was used (that is the same in 1.60 and 1.70) then the only factor is RemoveGrain(mode=2) vs Undot (or RemoveGrain(mode=1)). Mode 2 obviously removes more details (especially on very noisy sources) and therefore more compressible. Hence larger resolutions are possible. However this was expected - I would be more interested in comparing current sharper matrixes - coz that is what makes real difference (especially in high motion scenes). Also since RemoveGrain mode 2 is artifact free mode then on cleaner sources the difference should not be really visible.

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
And, that said, this test was done watching on the computer monitor. Watching them on the 32" Sony HDTV from the couch, you can't really see any difference in any of them.


That's another point - if you're apply any kind of noise filter then you will always be able to see the difference in details when examining pixel by pixel. Watching it in real life is another story. The whole point of this exercise is to decide - if loss of details can be justified for trying to increase the resolution or not.

P.S. Also I'm not convinced in usefulness of lanczos4 yet...

[Sharktooth]

@lenox: i'm ready for producing matrices for AutoGK.
If i understood you need about the same compressibility of V2. Right?
... EQM AGK-HR is coming

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

If i understood you need about the same compressibility of V2. Right?


yes, that's right.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
P.S. Also I'm not convinced in usefulness of lanczos4 yet... [/B]

Is it just me, or do others have the same visual aspect on lanczos4resize?
It seems to me, as if the edges and lines get something overdrawn.
Sure this will make up for a sharper image, but sometimes it looks quite unnatural. Tested it by up- and down-scaling.
On a TV screen its okay, cos it is blurring anyway.
But on PC Monitor sometimes it looks a little distorted.
Just my 2 cents.
Maybe this is what therealjoeblow means.

[len0x]

I've changed resizer back to normal Lanczos. Now it should be easy to see the effects of new matrix and noise filter. Feedback is much appreciated.

[Sharktooth]

EQM AGK-HR (first beta):

8 10 10 10 11 11 13 15
10 10 10 10 11 12 14 16
10 10 11 11 13 14 16 18
10 10 11 13 15 17 19 23
11 11 13 15 19 22 26 29
11 12 14 17 22 28 34 41
13 14 16 19 26 34 44 55
15 16 18 23 29 41 55 72

16 16 16 16 17 18 21 24
16 16 16 16 17 19 22 25
16 16 17 18 20 22 25 29
16 16 18 21 24 27 31 36
17 17 20 24 30 35 41 47
18 19 22 27 35 44 54 65
21 22 25 31 41 54 71 88
24 25 29 36 47 65 88 115

Direct download link: http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/eqm_AGKHR_b1.xcm
Notes: Compressibility is 1-2% lower than EQM V2. HVS optimized.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
EQM AGK-HR (first beta):


great - it would be useful to have it in an export file form.

[Sharktooth]

Just added the direct download link.

[len0x]

cool, I've queued small sample of AutoGK's 1.72 avs with 4 matrixes: HVSBest, EQM V2, EQM V3HR, and AGKHR - will have a look tonight.

[Sharktooth]

Nice, btw EQM AGK-HR looks better than EQM V2... :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Nice, btw EQM AGK-HR looks better than EQM V2... :)

any screenshots to prove that ? :)

[Sharktooth]

No AR correction, no resize-
V2(B-Frame):
http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/v2.jpg
AGK-HR (B-Frame):
http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/agk.jpg

[len0x]

OK, I have to agree out of 4 matrixes AGK-HR looks he best in terms of shapness and block artifacts! Good job!

P.S. Compressibility is not the same as V2 on my source, but rather the same as V3HR.

[Sharktooth]

Uhm... that's impossible coz AGK-HR has higher inter-frames coefficients than V3HR.

However heres the filesizes of my test encodes:
132.136.960 agk.avi
129.826.816 v2.avi
138.418.176 v3.avi

EDIT: if you need more compressibility there's still some room for tweaking

[len0x]

well, I have:

AGK - 39,100,416
V2 - 36,808,704
V3 - 39,133,184
HVSB - 34,459,648

[Sharktooth]

Did you used 1 or 2 max consecutive b-frames?

[len0x]

1/150/100

[Sharktooth]

That's the reason...
Ok, should i tweak it for 1 bframe?

[len0x]

AutoGK uses only 1 bframe, so yes. Does "tweaking" mean that amount of detail should stay the same as it is now, but its gonna be more compressible?

[Sharktooth]

The tweaking consists in balancing Intra-Frame matrix and Inter-Frame matrix coefficients.
The Intra-frame matrix describes the quantization of frequency parameters of blocks from the content of an image or video frame (MPEG I-frames, Intra macro blocks). The Inter-frame matrix describes the quantization of the difference between a reference frame and a predicted frame (motion predicted areas in P and B frames).
So if autogk uses only 1 bframe i can slightly rise the Inter-Frame coefficients gainig some compresibility (without having a huge impact on image quality).
Eventually i can lower the Intra-Frame coefficients to keep the same compressibility and reduce artifacts or gain some details.

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
well, I have:

AGK - 39,100,416
V2 - 36,808,704
V3 - 39,133,184
HVSB - 34,459,648

Well, I can confirm your observations. Same results in % @ Q=2 AutoGk defaults 100% Target quality.
By the way: Which target quantizer did you use for your tests?
Or did you use two pass?
This should be taken into consideration for a longer test run.

[Sharktooth]

As i said the reason is AutoGK uses 1 max consecutive B-Frame.
2 pass encoding is aimed for a target bitrate or to hit a specific file size, so, it has to be a fixed quantizer encode (or % quality if you prefer).

[CeeJay.dk]

Why is AutoGK using max 1 B-frame ?
If it's because it originally got better when results with this setting when it was using HVS-B , then there is another option.

Instead of tweaking the matrix to max 1 B-frame , AutoGK could be tuned to 2 B-frames.

Whatever yields the best result overall.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
That's the reason...


I believed you at first, but then got to thinking and actually tried 2 bframes. Resuts are:

AGK - 36,339,712
V2 - 34,228,224
V3HR - 36,425,728

So still V2 is more compressible ( and I could hardly see any difference between 1 and 2 bframes with the same matrix)

[len0x]

Originally posted by CeeJay.dk
Why is AutoGK using max 1 B-frame ?


That decision was independent of matrix (and will be as well). There was time when multiple bframes would give you worse quality that single one and support in standalones was not good either. May be its time to re-evaluate that (atm 2 bframes give you about 6-8% in compressibility and I'm unable to see that much difference in quality based encoding, but 2 pass tests have to be done).

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
I believed you at first, but then got to thinking and actually tried 2 bframes. Resuts are:

AGK - 36,339,712
V2 - 34,228,224
V3HR - 36,425,728

So still V2 is more compressible ( and I could hardly see any difference between 1 and 2 bframes with the same matrix)
Ok, i dont know what's happening then.
I used xvid 1.1, 1 pass constant quant 2 + default settings (no b-vhq/bframes[2/150/100]/Max I-Frame interval 250) + Trellis.
...will try with another source.

EDIT - Same behaviour as my previous Gladiator clip encode. This time it's Spiderman 2 trailer. Same settings as above:
109.215.744 agk.avi
107.216.896 v2.avi
113.881.088 v3.avi

Maybe xvid 1.1 reacts in a completely different way than 1.02 or maybe your source is too small or has too much scene changes (forcing a lot of I-frames insertions)... dunno.
Tomorrow i will revert back to 1.02 and will compare the results.

EDIT 2 - Len0x, have you tried EQM V3ULR in place of Jawor's 1CD matrix?

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

Tomorrow i will revert back to 1.02 and will compare the results.


yes, that could be the reason (I'm using 1.02)

Originally posted by Sharktooth

EDIT 2 - Len0x, have you tried EQM V3ULR in place of Jawor's 1CD matrix?

Not yet. What's the compressibility like ?

[Sharktooth]

Installed 1.02... tonigth i'll finish to encode.
V3ULR compressibility is almost the same as Jawor's 1CD.

[rantingotaku]

well, whatever else you changed fixed my problem Len0x :cool: (I'm guessing resizer).

I guess a big "thank you" is in order, even though it's more of an accidental fix :p thanks.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rantingotaku
even though it's more of an accidental fix :p

This was no accident - I was not satisfied with Lanczos4 myself.
New matrix is clearly better (and will be even more) and removegrain is a very good filter as well. The only variable that was never tested widely is resizer.

[len0x]

Got report that RemoveGrainSSE2 crashes on it. Anyone has this issue?

[Taurus]

Originally posted by len0x
I was not satisfied with Lanczos4 myself.
The only variable that was never tested widely is resizer.
I think this is a good decision. Felt not comfortable with the new resizer, even I am a sharp looking guy :D ;)

[CeeJay.dk]

I just remembered since you mentioned a CPU specific part of AutoGK ..
http://allies.freezope.org/ host optimized builds of Xvid 1.02 for Athlon XP and Athlon Thunderbird processors that are faster than the ordinary builds.

I haven't done any proper comparisons but I get really good speeds with this optimized build.

[therealjoeblow]

I tried to reencode the movie I commented about a few replies ago, and put .sharpmatrix into the VIDEO_TS directory with the .vobs, but Autogk's log reads:

[10/27/2004 8:45:11 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 44.28
[10/27/2004 8:45:11 AM] Using softer matrix.
[10/27/2004 8:45:11 AM] Chosen resolution is: 640x368 ( AR: 1.74 )
[10/27/2004 8:45:11 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 52.95

It's hard to tell what was actually used because I deleted the other encodes and can't compare. Do you think this just a logging error, or did it for some reason not use the sharp matrix even though I had the control file in place?

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
I tried to reencode the movie I commented about a few replies ago, and put .sharpmatrix into the VIDEO_TS directory with the .vobs, but Autogk's log reads:


How do you put there - manually or with your tool ? :)
I'd check if the file was really there before encoding started.

[len0x]

Originally posted by CeeJay.dk
I just remembered since you mentioned a CPU specific part of AutoGK ..
http://allies.freezope.org/ host optimized builds of Xvid 1.02 for Athlon XP and Athlon Thunderbird processors that are faster than the ordinary builds.


Yeah, good builds. Too bad I can't detect processors in the installer of AutoGK - otherwise I could distrubute optimized version automatically.

[Sharktooth]

You can't but the user can... :)

Xvid codec:
|_ Install Xvid x.x (standard)
|_ Install Xvid x.x for AMD Athlon
|_ Install Xvid x.x for AMD Athlon XP with SSE

[len0x]

1) its too much to bundle
2) it might not be as reliable as koepi's (in terms of when they are compiled and continue to be compiled)

[Sharktooth]

Agreed. Also the speed gain is lower than 3%...

[CeeJay.dk]

HKLM\\Hardware\\Description\\System\\CentralProcessor\\0 contain useful keys that will tell what type of CPU processor 0 is ( there are other entries under 1 , 2 , 3 .. depending on how many cpu's are in the system , but they should all be the same )

The optimized codec I use compresses to 206 kb .. probably would be less if it was archived with other builds of Xvid since the files look alike and can thus be compressed to a smaller overall.

But download links to other good builds from AutoGK's download page would also go a long way.

[BigDid]

Originally posted by CeeJay.dk

http://allies.freezope.org/ host optimized builds of Xvid 1.02

I haven't done any proper comparisons but I get really good speeds with this optimized build.

Tks for the link, I tried the xp build.

Done encode on 1 source with hard compressibility to compare. Results are 8% gain for the Xp build on comptest (9.53 to 10.33fps) but marginal on first (33.55 to 33.89) and second pass (24.45 to 24.83). :cool: :rolleyes:

Hi to all

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Installed 1.02... tonigth i'll finish to encode.


Any news? I tried another sample (Star Wars 2) and again got compressibility that is between V2 and V3HR. This time it was considerably more than V3HR since number of key-framey was 1.7% vs 3.5% that was in my previous test source.

Originally posted by Sharktooth
V3ULR compressibility is almost the same as Jawor's 1CD.

I found it actually greater than Jawor's. Howerver V3UL seems to resolve more details with no particular difference in blocking (I really need to go back back to my first sample where I can see clear blocking even on high bitrate matrixes @quant=2 - its tough to judge otherwise). having said that more details - doesn't mean better picture on low bitrate matrixes. Removing details and making picture smoother (Jawors) might be better approach since details don't look too good comparing to HR matrixes (but V3UL does try to do that though).

[BigDid]

Hello Taurus & Lenox

New to the forum, autogk and encoding I was wondering if the lanczos4/lanczos question applies to my problem ?

Originally posted by Taurus
Is it just me, or do others have the same visual aspect on lanczos4resize?
It seems to me, as if the edges and lines get something overdrawn.
...
But on PC Monitor sometimes it looks a little distorted.


The source is DV cam authored to Pal/dvd, quality not so good. I tried to encode to xvid (messed the sound btw) in AGK 1.70, needed 1/4 dvd for 4.2 Gb.
The result is medium to better but I have distorded lines (jaggies?) in the original and the encode (see pics). I believe it comes from the interlaced material (see log) and tried to change the kerneldeint treshold to 3 or 30 with no improvement.


I have no other clue on the problem and hope you have good suggestions to offer.
Enclosed pictures from the original (mpg2 720w) and the avi (xvid 512w)

Also the log of one of my trials encode:
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] AutoGK 1.70b
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Job started.
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Input dir: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Output file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\Mariage Heydy.avi
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Audio: Unknown language
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Subtitles: none
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Codec: XviD
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Target size: 1493Mb
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Custom resolution settings: minimum width of 560 pixels
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Started encoding.
[24/10/2004 17:27:47] Demuxing and indexing.
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Processing file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_PGC_01_1.VOB
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Processing file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_PGC_01_2.VOB
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Processing file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_PGC_01_3.VOB
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Processing file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_PGC_01_4.VOB
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Processing file: F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_PGC_01_5.VOB
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Source resolution: 720x576
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Found PAL source.
[24/10/2004 17:29:57] Analyzing source.
[24/10/2004 17:37:55] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 72,82
[24/10/2004 17:37:55] Source is considered to be interlaced.
[24/10/2004 17:37:55] Found 145848 frames
[24/10/2004 17:37:55] Encoding audio.
[24/10/2004 17:38:11] Audio size: 1,855,488 bytes (1.77 Mb)
[24/10/2004 17:38:11] Overhead: 5,833,984 bytes (5.56 Mb)
[24/10/2004 17:38:11] Video size: 1,557,834,496 bytes (1485.67 Mb)
[24/10/2004 17:38:11] Running compressibility test.
[24/10/2004 17:38:11] Writing the following script to F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\agk_tmp\Mariage Heydy_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\kerneldeint.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\agk_tmp\Mariage Heydy.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.06666666666667
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
KernelDeInt(movie,order=0,sharp=true)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
Lanczos4Resize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Duration was: 20 minutes 0 seconds
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Speed was: 6,07 fps.
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Compressibility percentage is: 45,15
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Chosen resolution is: 576x432 ( AR: 1,33 )
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Predicted comptest value is: 67,45
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Running first pass.
[24/10/2004 17:58:12] Writing the following script to F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\agk_tmp\Mariage Heydy_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrain.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\kerneldeint.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("F:\FILMS\DVDVOLUME\agk_tmp\Mariage Heydy.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.06666666666667
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 576
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
KernelDeInt(movie,order=0,sharp=true)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
Lanczos4Resize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[24/10/2004 19:37:17] Duration was: 1 hour, 39 minutes 5 seconds
[24/10/2004 19:37:17] Speed was: 24,53 fps.
[24/10/2004 19:37:18] Expected quality of first pass size: 61,90
[24/10/2004 19:37:18] Running second pass.
[24/10/2004 21:51:27] Duration was: 2 hours 14 minutes 9 seconds
[24/10/2004 21:51:27] Speed was: 18,12 fps.
[24/10/2004 21:51:27] Job finished.

I am very fond of autogk and do appreciate all the efforts improving it. All the best

Did

Oops... the original mpg2 pic is missing, new attachment:

Edit2: no luck with the mpg2 picture:confused:

[len0x]

Originally posted by BigDid
The source is DV cam authored to Pal/dvd, quality not so good.

If its already in the source then nothing can be done...
(and for DV sources its quite common to have such ladder step lines if I'm not mistaken).

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
Any news? I tried another sample (Star Wars 2) and again got compressibility that is between V2 and V3HR. This time it was considerably more than V3HR since number of key-framey was 1.7% vs 3.5% that was in my previous test source.
Well, in my AGK-HR matrix the more the keyframes the lower will be the compressibility coz the Intra-Frame matrix has lower coefficients than the Inter-Frame matrix. The "key-frame pumping" effect of this kind of matrices ensures a better overall quality (coz I-Frames are reference frames for P-Frames... highering I-Frame quality = boosting overall quality...) but there is a drawback. In a movie that requires a lot of I-Frames the compressibility hit is noticeable.
So i will try to find a good compromise between Intra and Inter-Frame matrices coefficients but it requires some time...
Saturday or sunday it will be ready.
However here's a second try (beta 2):
8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18
9 10 11 12 14 16 18 20
10 11 13 15 17 19 21 22
11 12 15 17 20 22 24 26
12 14 17 20 23 25 28 31
14 16 19 22 25 29 34 40
16 18 21 24 28 34 44 52
18 20 22 26 31 40 52 74

16 16 16 16 17 18 21 24
16 16 16 16 17 19 22 25
16 16 17 18 20 22 25 29
16 16 18 21 24 27 31 36
17 17 20 24 30 35 41 47
18 19 22 27 35 44 54 65
21 22 25 31 41 54 71 86
24 25 29 36 47 65 86 115

Direct download link: http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/eqm_AGKHR_b2.xcm


Originally posted by len0x
I found it actually greater than Jawor's. Howerver V3UL seems to resolve more details with no particular difference in blocking (I really need to go back back to my first sample where I can see clear blocking even on high bitrate matrixes @quant=2 - its tough to judge otherwise). having said that more details - doesn't mean better picture on low bitrate matrixes. Removing details and making picture smoother (Jawors) might be better approach since details don't look too good comparing to HR matrixes (but V3UL does try to do that though).
When you finish to test it inform me about the results.

[BigDid]

Originally posted by len0x
If its already in the source then nothing can be done...


Ok, this is it :rolleyes: Thanks for the quick reply anyway.

When I will have the time I will try to dig, learn, use others progs like avisynth filtering, vdubmod with xvid settings but not at the moment, too much at once.

In this context I will appreciate if/when filtering (whatever the method) become available in AutoGK :D but I can understand that it is not the highest priority at the moment. All my wishes for continuing developping this very good application.

Did

[therealjoeblow]

Originally posted by len0x
How do you put there - manually or with your tool ? :)
I'd check if the file was really there before encoding started.

I used my tool, but here's time/date/filenames cut and pasted to ensure no errors:

.sharpmatrix
Created: Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 8:19:29 AM

->from the AutoGK.log:
[10/27/2004 8:19:50 AM] AutoGK 1.70b
[10/27/2004 8:19:50 AM] OS: Win2000 (5.0.2195).2
[10/27/2004 8:19:50 AM] Job started.

Filename appears correct, and was created before encoding started.

[rmagere]

I think I might have found a bug with the "adjusting the parameters after first pass compressability check".

The bug is that autogk keeps looping, i.e. it predicted compressabilty cA and chose parameters pA after first pass it finds compressability to be cB and therefore decides to do some changes and comes back to choosing parameters pA and so on.

Anyway I have pasted below the log which I am sure is more helpful to you than my description.

[30/10/2004 09:19:21] AutoGK 1.72b
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Job started.
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Input dir: D:\X\X_14-17 3.36
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Output file: D:\X\X_14-17.avi
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Audio: Japanese
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Subtitles: [SubPicture 02: Normal]
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Codec: XviD
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Target size: 750Mb
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 144Kbps
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Started encoding.
[30/10/2004 09:19:21] Demuxing and indexing.
[30/10/2004 09:22:38] Processing file: D:\X\X_14-17 3.36\VTS_01_PGC_01_1.VOB
[30/10/2004 09:22:38] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[30/10/2004 09:22:38] Source resolution: 720x480
[30/10/2004 09:22:38] Found NTSC source.
[30/10/2004 09:22:38] Analyzing source.
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 48.17
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 42.38
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 15.33
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 42.29
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly NTSC).
[30/10/2004 09:25:38] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[30/10/2004 09:26:04] Found threshold of: 1.93
[30/10/2004 09:26:04] Found 155580 frames
[30/10/2004 09:26:04] Encoding audio.
[30/10/2004 09:38:02] Indexing subtitles.
[30/10/2004 09:40:17] Compressing subtitles.
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Audio size: 93,532,832 bytes (89.20 Mb)
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Overhead: 6,223,232 bytes (5.93 Mb)
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Subtitles size: 888,243 bytes (0.85 Mb)
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Video size: 685,787,693 bytes (654.02 Mb)
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Running compressibility test.
[30/10/2004 09:40:21] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Duration was: 6 minutes 39 seconds
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Speed was: 19.47 fps.
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Compressibility percentage is: 32.70
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Using softer matrix.
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Running first pass.
[30/10/2004 09:47:01] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Duration was: 54 minutes 8 seconds
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Speed was: 47.89 fps.
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Expected quality of first pass size: 91.50
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Trying to adjust settings.
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Re-running first pass.
[30/10/2004 10:41:09] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[30/10/2004 11:35:13] Duration was: 54 minutes 4 seconds
[30/10/2004 11:35:13] Speed was: 47.96 fps.
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Expected quality of first pass size: 91.50
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Trying to adjust settings.
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Re-running first pass.
[30/10/2004 11:35:14] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[30/10/2004 12:29:20] Duration was: 54 minutes 6 seconds
[30/10/2004 12:29:20] Speed was: 47.92 fps.
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Expected quality of first pass size: 91.50
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Trying to adjust settings.
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Re-running first pass.
[30/10/2004 12:29:21] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Duration was: 32 minutes 14 seconds
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Speed was: 80.42 fps.
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Expected quality of first pass size: 157.99
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Trying to adjust settings.
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Re-running first pass.
[30/10/2004 13:01:35] Writing the following script to D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\X\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
*************************************
EXCEPTION: Job aborted
*************************************
[30/10/2004 13:01:53] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
The bug is that autogk keeps looping, i.e. it predicted compressabilty cA and chose parameters pA after first pass it finds compressability to be cB and therefore decides to do some changes and comes back to choosing parameters pA and so on.


Yes, it actually uncovered several things:
- there was a bug in comp test recalculations during passes (fixed)
- resolution was not properly raised when comp test result was high (fixed)

Also after reading the code and your log - AutoGK should have adjusted matrix first before trying to adjust resolution. Why that didn't happen - I have no idea, but I would really appreciate you posting the log file from encoding in version 1.53 that I'll put online on Monday (for sure there will be no loops :) )

[len0x]

Originally posted by therealjoeblow
I used my tool, but here's time/date/filenames cut and pasted to ensure no errors:

.sharpmatrix
Created: Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 8:19:29 AM


Actually its a misfeature :) sharp matrix was intended only to work for 1CD or less rips (because it was never used there otherwise). I never extended it for working with any target size. Now I did it finally...

[rmagere]

Yes, it actually uncovered several things:
- there was a bug in comp test recalculations during passes (fixed)
- resolution was not properly raised when comp test result was high (fixed)

Glad to be of help.

Also after reading the code and your log - AutoGK should have adjusted matrix first before trying to adjust resolution. Why that didn't happen - I have no idea, but I would really appreciate you posting the log file from encoding in version 1.53 that I'll put online on Monday (for sure there will be no loops)

So I should encode the vobs with the same parameters but using v1.53? Ok will do so. By the way if v1.53 is just one of the old version I might have it saved in some dvd so I'll see if I can do the encoding this sunday.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
So I should encode the vobs with the same parameters but using v1.53?

sorry I meant 1.73 :)

[Sharktooth]

@Len0x: Have you tested EQM AGK-HR beta2?
Compressibility should be almost the same as V2 but it needs to be tuned a bit.
Let me know.

[nikolajhendel]

Hi - sorry if this is written somewhere else - but I've been looking half an hour and can't seem to find an answer.

How do I enable removegrain in v 1.72 (or is it just enabled by default) ?

TIA (and thx for a nice easy proggie)
Nick

[Sharktooth]

It's enabled by default.
It replaced the Undot filter.

[Exoskeletor]

len0x in the status bar in version 1,72 you have space after audio ("Audio :").This is different from the codec ("Codec:"). I think that you have to delete the space after audio :) (where are the subtitle options??)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Exoskeletor
(where are the subtitle options??)

turn them on and you'll see them

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
@Len0x: Have you tested EQM AGK-HR beta2?
Compressibility should be almost the same as V2 but it needs to be tuned a bit.

Well, its not. It is slightly more compressible that beta 1 but still nowhere near V2. But the quality is OK - I can hardly see any difference to beta 1: most of the time there is quite a bit of difference in pixels but I wouldn't say which one looks better. On some particular hard frames I can see that beta 1 is sharper and producels less blocks (although the difference is really minor). Overall I'd still choose beta1 considering that most of the time the compressibility difference is less that 1% with beta 2 (but in my high motion sample its actually almost 2%).

Now about Jawor's 1CD vs V3ULR. As I said ealier for me there is quite a bit of difference in compressibility (ULR having 4.5-5% more but trying to resolve more details). So ULR doesn't look that good in terms of blocks on high motion scenes and more details looks rather noisy that sharper I would say. I prefer slightly washed out, but smoothing approach of Jawor's matrix. having said that - I think ULR has a room for improvements: either decrease compressibility to Jawor's level (so that details look better and sharper) or try to smooth picture a bit (I wonder how high compressibility can be achieved then).

[Sharktooth]

Ok, i'm working on your suggestions... :)

EDIT: EQM AGK-HR beta 3 (... hope it will be the last)
8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18
9 10 11 12 14 16 18 20
10 11 13 15 17 19 21 23
11 12 15 18 20 22 24 26
12 14 17 20 23 25 28 30
14 16 19 22 25 29 34 38
16 18 21 24 28 34 44 52
18 20 23 26 30 38 52 74

16 16 17 17 18 19 21 23
16 17 18 18 19 20 22 24
17 18 19 20 21 23 24 27
17 18 20 22 24 25 28 32
18 19 21 24 26 29 36 40
19 20 23 25 29 39 48 53
21 22 24 28 36 48 60 72
23 24 27 32 40 53 72 106
Download link: http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/eqm_AGKHR_b3.xcm

[len0x]

Adjustements after first pass should work better now.

@Sharktooth

will try new matrix tonight

[rmagere]

I will try v1.73 on the "problem" source, tomorrow morning I will post the log file.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

EDIT: EQM AGK-HR beta 3 (... hope it will be the last)


OK, so beta 3 is finally has the same (in fact slightly more) compressibilty than V2, but I failed to the the difference between them :) I looked really hard at difference in pixels and couldn't see the any. I was staring at close up of static person's face for 5 min and in the end I even liked V2 a bit more. So we're back at square one I guess :) (although I really like beta 1, that can be useful if I allow lower compressibility matrix in AutoGK)

[rmagere]

Originally posted by Len0x
Also after reading the code and your log - AutoGK should have adjusted matrix first before trying to adjust resolution. Why that didn't happen - I have no idea, but I would really appreciate you posting the log file from encoding in version 1.53 that I'll put online on Monday (for sure there will be no loops )

Here is the log of v1.73 - let me know if I need to keep the vobs around for some-other test or whether I can delete them.

[01/11/2004 20:49:30] AutoGK 1.73b
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Job started.
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Input dir: D:\BugTesting\X_14-17 3.36
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Output file: D:\BugTesting\X_14-17.avi
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Audio: Japanese
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Subtitles: [SubPicture 02: Normal]
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Codec: XviD
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Target size: 750Mb
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Custom audio settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 144Kbps
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Started encoding.
[01/11/2004 20:49:30] Demuxing and indexing.
[01/11/2004 20:51:55] Processing file: D:\BugTesting\X_14-17 3.36\VTS_01_PGC_01_1.VOB
[01/11/2004 20:51:55] Source aspect ratio: 4:3
[01/11/2004 20:51:55] Source resolution: 720x480
[01/11/2004 20:51:55] Found NTSC source.
[01/11/2004 20:51:55] Analyzing source.
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 48.17
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 42.38
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 15.33
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 42.29
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly NTSC).
[01/11/2004 20:54:53] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[01/11/2004 20:55:19] Found threshold of: 1.93
[01/11/2004 20:55:19] Found 155580 frames
[01/11/2004 20:55:19] Encoding audio.
[01/11/2004 21:07:22] Indexing subtitles.
[01/11/2004 21:09:19] Compressing subtitles.
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Audio size: 93,532,832 bytes (89.20 Mb)
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Overhead: 6,223,232 bytes (5.93 Mb)
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Subtitles size: 888,243 bytes (0.85 Mb)
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Video size: 685,787,693 bytes (654.02 Mb)
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Running compressibility test.
[01/11/2004 21:09:23] Writing the following script to D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Duration was: 6 minutes 39 seconds
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Speed was: 19.45 fps.
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Compressibility percentage is: 32.70
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Using softer matrix.
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Chosen resolution is: 512x384 ( AR: 1.33 )
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Predicted comptest value is: 61.82
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Running first pass.
[01/11/2004 21:16:03] Writing the following script to D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 512
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[01/11/2004 22:09:56] Duration was: 53 minutes 53 seconds
[01/11/2004 22:09:56] Speed was: 48.12 fps.
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Expected quality of first pass size: 91.50
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Trying to adjust settings.
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Chosen resolution is: 592x448 ( AR: 1.32 )
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Predicted comptest value is: 67.83
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Re-running first pass.
[01/11/2004 22:09:57] Writing the following script to D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("D:\BugTesting\agk_tmp\X_14-17.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
fixed_aspect = 0.888888888888889
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = input_par > 1.4 ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 592
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,order=1,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=1,threshold=1.93)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
DRemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[01/11/2004 23:08:13] Duration was: 58 minutes 16 seconds
[01/11/2004 23:08:13] Speed was: 44.50 fps.
[01/11/2004 23:08:13] Expected quality of first pass size: 66.76
[01/11/2004 23:08:13] Running second pass.
[02/11/2004 00:30:44] Duration was: 1 hour, 22 minutes 30 seconds
[02/11/2004 00:30:44] Speed was: 31.43 fps.
[02/11/2004 00:30:44] Job finished.

[len0x]

Originally posted by rmagere
Here is the log of v1.73 - let me know if I need to keep the vobs around for some-other test or whether I can delete them.


Please keep them if possible. I'm evaluating possibility of switching to sharper matrix instead of increasing resolution first. For instance you went from 512 to 592, but instead sharper matrix could be used. Now that I think of it - I switch to softer matrix when width is crossing 512 barrier (608 for widescreen sources) so I should do the same when increasing resolution.

[rmagere]

Ok I'll try to keep them for as long as needed or possible.
Should I also keep the various encoding to give feedback on visual quality or is that unnecessary?

By the way the rip is of a japanise anime [in case that might matter].

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by len0x
OK, so beta 3 is finally has the same (in fact slightly more) compressibilty than V2, but I failed to the the difference between them :) I looked really hard at difference in pixels and couldn't see the any. I was staring at close up of static person's face for 5 min and in the end I even liked V2 a bit more. So we're back at square one I guess :) (although I really like beta 1, that can be useful if I allow lower compressibility matrix in AutoGK)
Actually we have 3 choices (beta 2 is not good):
V2 - The actual matrix
beta3 - Should look almost the same as V2 but slightly more compressible (based on V2)
beta1 - Lower compressibility but sharper (based on V3HR)

EDIT: beta 4...
8 12 12 12 13 13 16 18
12 12 12 12 13 14 16 18
12 12 13 13 15 16 18 21
12 12 13 16 18 20 23 27
13 13 15 18 22 26 30 35
13 14 16 20 26 33 40 48
16 16 18 23 30 40 52 65
18 18 21 27 35 48 65 85

16 16 16 16 17 18 21 24
16 16 16 16 17 19 22 25
16 16 17 18 20 22 25 29
16 16 18 21 24 27 31 36
17 17 20 24 30 35 41 47
18 19 22 27 35 44 54 65
21 22 25 31 41 54 71 88
24 25 29 36 47 65 88 115
Download link: http://ebola.gamersrevolt.it/len0x/eqm_AGKHR_b4.xcm

[Taurus]

Bug or feature?
After long time using only target quality settings (so without Compressibility Pass), I was trying a custom size encode on a short clip.
What made me wonder, how long it took for the compcheck.
If I remember correctly, former versions of AutoGk used 300/15 as select range, the new release(s)? use 29/15.
Did a short crosscheck with GK compcheck (280/14), much faster on the same source.
Speedwise it is almost a third pass now, and slowing down the encode
significantly.
To lazy to fire up an older AutoGk version, so I don't know how long this is implanted.
If I missed something in the discussion along the way, don't blame me.
I simply don't want to search the whole thread :rolleyes:

Cheers

Taurus