CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[BetaBoy]

That's the very same error I'm getting.

Tried to download the installer twice just to verify it's not caused by a broken installer, or whatever.

Fix, pretty plix?

K k tnx bye :)

Likely because your install needs to be reset... pls submit a ticket to have the staff do this for you. http://support.corecodec.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit

[Revgen]

Well, unless you play an HD disc with 18Mbps avg/28Mbps peak. What's the peak on that clip? (Don't have the bandwidth to download now.)

I'm not sure exactly. I don't have pro tools to analyse peak bitrate for AVC. Unless there are open-source ones available.

Also, do HD-DVD or Blu-Ray support 1080p 60fps? I thought they only supported up to 1080p 24p.

[DeadRinga]

Betaboy... XP had recently needed to re-activate on my machine for whatever reason and now CoreAVC 1.5 cant re-activate... Who should i email?

[foxyshadis]

I'm not sure exactly. I don't have pro tools to analyse peak bitrate for AVC. Unless there are open-source ones available.

Also, do HD-DVD or Blu-Ray support 1080p 60fps? I thought they only supported up to 1080p 24p.

They support it, but only movies have come out so far. Wait until the soccer tapes start showing up. :p But really, the whole TV industry seems to be moving toward 24p or sticking with interlaced for now, so unless you watch a lot of BBC or sports it doesn't look like most people will have to deal with this.

I'm not surprised 60p adds 50-80% to the decoding power, that's a lot more macroblocks, especially if there are few skips. Didn't realize it wasn't 24p last post.

[Crisidelm]

I'm not sure exactly. I don't have pro tools to analyse peak bitrate for AVC. Unless there are open-source ones available.

Also, do HD-DVD or Blu-Ray support 1080p 60fps? I thought they only supported up to 1080p 24p.

In Italy a movie on BD has come out that is 1080i50 ("Memorie di una Geisha" is the title, dunno the English name). Also che HD-DVD about 2006 World Cup in Germany is 1080i50 afaik. Are there any more BD or HD-DVD out there that are not 24p?

[Crisidelm]

I'd like to try that clip or see actual stats on that. On quality I'm not sure how your friend can state that really... I mean its 'bit-exact', you are not gonna get any more 'quality' out of it.

On quality it's just a matter of personal opinions: since I can't compare myself the two codecs output.
If you want to test the file, I'll see if I can upload the file somewhere...

[Revgen]

In Italy a movie on BD has come out that is 1080i50 ("Memorie di una Geisha" is the title, dunno the English name). Also che HD-DVD about 2006 World Cup in Germany is 1080i50 afaik. Are there any more BD or HD-DVD out there that are not 24p?

1080i50?

The "i" typically stands for interlaced. A correct way to say it would be 1080p50. 1080i50 would mean 50 interlaced fields. That would be 25 fps not 50fps. Can you link me to this movie?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want some confirmation. The specs I've seen at this Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#HD_DVD_.2F_Blu-ray_disc_comparison don't mention 60fps or 50fps at 1080p.

Unless there is some kind RFF flag type of strategy that converts 50p or 60p to 60i or 50i like Pulldown flags do for DVD.

[ACrowley]

Anyone with the AX issue can submit a ticket... http://support.corecodec.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit

Although I do think we have the installer bugs fixed... we think the ppl here that are reporting the AX problems were those who had downloaded and installed the old un-fixed installer.

(Although I reserve judgement on that still ;-) . . . anyway we will keep track of any potential issue.

I have no old Registry entries from working installer anymore...
everything was clean

It it a charge to submit a Ticket ? And when i aubmit a Ticket...how long do i have to wait for a working ax ?
..since 3 Days i have no working Decoder for my money.
SRY but im very dissapointed

[Crisidelm]

1080i50?

The "i" typically stands for interlaced. A correct way to say it would be 1080p50. 1080i50 would mean 50 interlaced fields. That would be 25 fps not 50fps. Can you link me to this movie?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want some confirmation. The specs I've seen at this Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#HD_DVD_.2F_Blu-ray_disc_comparison don't mention 60fps or 50fps at 1080p.

Unless there is some kind RFF flag type of strategy that converts 50p or 60p to 60i or 50i like Pulldown flags do for DVD.

The references are the Italian purchasers who confirmed that: in fact it was a surprise since it is much more fluid than other BDs or HD-DVD that are 24fps on several VPRs that don't support natively 24fps/60fps. I can link you to Italian forums where it's been discussed, but it's only in Italian, of course.
Btw, this is the film (in English): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_a_Geisha_%28film%29
From what I can read, it's even specified on the cover of the BD:"Attivato operazioni di indagine. In effetti, rispetto alla prima fascetta resa disponibile da eagle (potrei sbagliarmi, parliamo di un paio di mesi fa) il 1080@23,98p è diventato 1080@50i. Parrebbe quindi che il film sia stato encodato a 50i. La cosa è molto strana, anche perchè da quanto mi risulta, "Memorie" è stato gilrato in pellicola"...


BTW, a link to download the TS I mentioned before: http://rs154.rapidshare.com/files/48477373/GermanFootballHD1080i.ts

[bob0r]

@Crisidelm

Thats .ts file is not a valid .ts file.

I noticed the same issue too, but i had a feeling it came from Tandberg's encoder, as other PAFF-interlaced clips run just fine.

In all honesty i forgot to capture a soccer sample to be tested :p

[Crisidelm]

bob0r, probably when I cut the 100MB from the original 254MB .TS I did something wrong: Tsplayer, the program I used for cutting (and for viewing) isn't quite perfect, for the cutting part at least.

[CruNcher]

@ Crisdelm
as bob0r said it was wrongly captured the .ts will most likely not open in most commercial solutions try to remux it with non commercial stuff like mplayer,mencoder or tsremux then it should be standard complaint :)


Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 100.04 MB, Play Time: 00h:00m:42s
47.38 FPS (Average), 18.58 Mbps (Average).
AC3 Audio: 2/0 Channels (L, R), 48.0 kHz, 448 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB

I can reach 42.49 fps (deinterlaced jitter 13ms 2 frame drops) 24.79 fps (interlaced jitter 4ms 0 frame drops) here with my 7600 GS PV1 Cyberlink (real Playback Fullscreen 1680x1050 (but still it stutters sometimes seems PV1 comes to an end here, but also the stream seems not very well balanced (complexity wise) ) (Colorspace: i think YUY2 but who knows what PV1 and Cyberlink do internaly :P) (VMR9 Windowed)

CoreAVC gives me 20.20 (deinterlaced dshow jitter 38ms frame drops 1082) 22.01 fps (interlaced jitter 36 ms 23 frame drops) for this Stream (real Playback Fullscreen 1680x1050) (Colorspace: YUY2 Active) (VMR9 Windowed)


Benchmark Results:

User: 25s, kernel: 2s, total: 28s, real: 38s, fps: 70.8, dfps: 52.9 (Cyberlink PV1 deinterlaced) (VMR9)

User: 31s, kernel: 0s, total: 31s, real: 39s, fps: 64.1, dfps: 51.3 (CoreAVC non deinterlaced) (VMR9)

and yes i think that Bitstream is an older one seeing the red stripe on the bottom like in earlier Premiere HD Film times i doub't this stream is a new one is it ?

Edit: Real Playback in Exclusive VMR9 Renderless Mode (3D Surface) is Flawless with Cyberlinks Decoder and PV1 not 1 frame drop and jitter is perfect :)

[Crisidelm]

Well, it's a match played yesterday, Bayern Munich-Hansa Rostock, it can't be that old :)
I can watch it perfectly too using Mainconcept codec with my E6400 slightly overclocked too. Also with Cyberlink H.264 codec , DxVa on, and my 7600GT it's completely fluid.

[Crisidelm]

Used Tsremux, choosing TS...hope it works fine now.
http://rapidshare.com/files/48540171/GermanFootballHD1080iok.ts.html

[BetaBoy]

I have no old Registry entries from working installer anymore...
everything was clean

It it a charge to submit a Ticket ? And when i aubmit a Ticket...how long do i have to wait for a working ax ?
..since 3 Days i have no working Decoder for my money.
SRY but im very dissapointed

No charge, and likely its not about your side but ours that has to be reset.... its the weekend but the staff usually logs in a few times on there own to work on tickets, but i'd say first thing tomorrow AM (EST).

[Jay Bee]

Thanks for the sample files. For me the BBC clip is perfect with CoreAVC and MPC. The Premiere clip is slightly stuttery (maybe a splitter issue?) and both are horrible in Zoom Player (any ideas?).

C2D @ 2.7 GHz, 7950 GT.

[Crisidelm]

Both are flawless for me using Tsplayer (which uses Dvbviewer Source filter for splitting purpose), E6400 at 2.6GHz and 7600GT (but I prefer using Mainconcept codec therefore software mode only). Live viewing is flawless using Mainconcept only with AltDVB though, while it stutters with Dvbviewer.

[CruNcher]

Stuttering can also be coused by latency problems (bad programed applications running in the background (polling every once in a while or doing some other nasty stuff)
For Example for me it's problematic to let Portrait Displays: Forte Manager (Monitor Calibration software with Direct Film Mode management for my LG LCD) running in the background it couses Micro stuttering it access every 10 secs the cpu by 2% on playback this can be problematic and setting the Player to high priority not allways helps their as this can couse problems with the dshow filters and their priority.

Jay Bee you have to debug everything to find the couse for your problems, but if you have a Nvidia card i can advice you to try the Exclusive VMR9 Renderless Mode, it reserves every power your machine has for the Fullscreen Playback (Windows XP)
Vista has a new type of Multimedia Scheduler in the Kernel that should avoid such latency problems (but only if the applications support it @ the moment only WM11 and PowerDVD do i think)

it's funny to see your C2D stuttering compared to my Singlecore 2.4 Ghz AMD chip and 7600 GS card (but that's the difference to Consoles, most of the times you tweaking your machine and try to find problems couseing this kind of slowdowns and hey isn't it fun :D )

Fact is for my System CoreAVC has no (Speed, Quality advantage) in Playback over GPU assisted Decoding with my 7600 GS @ native LCD resolution of 1680x1050 especialy for Sattelite (Interlaced content) as i can use Nvdias Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing with Cyberlink their and this is as good as YADIF(BoB) on the 7600 GS and in realtime so 1080p @ 50 fps for the Premiere sample here) very nice for 2.4 Ghz and a GFX card you can get for under 50€ (almost as cheap 2nd hand as CoreAVC costs ;)) now but better go with a 2nd Generation card based on ATI/Nvidias new Video cores those have even better Deinterlacing in realtime and even less CPU use :) (but still no one yet compared ATI/Nvidias Hardware Cores vs CoreAVC in Energy Efficience)

BetaBoy couldn't Picard speedup Yadif and add MBAFF and PAFF support a little with some ASM magic and you implement it as your Software Deinterlacing mode (non Bob and BoB mode selectable from the GUI) in CoreAVC 2.0 ;) or at least get a license from Nvidia to use their Hardware Deinterlacing for some speedup here. (I would add both because of the Editing Aspect of CoreAVC)

CruNchers Sugesstions for CoreAVC 2.0:

+ Add a Better (Quality) Software Deinterlacing like YADIF as Option (let the users chose in the Gui wich one to use YADIF or the Simple one)
+ Support at least ATI/Nvidias Motion Adaptive Hardware Deinterlacing PV1/PV2/UVD
+ Add better Chroma upsampleing (like Mainconcept and FFdshow can make use of)

this also would apply for CoreDVD and most probably CoreVC-1 aswell

[Crisidelm]

Yes cruncher, the stuttering in Dvbviewer may be caused by the program itself polling the signal level, which causes an abnormal cpu hit with DVB-S2 cards BDA drivers by Technotrend/Technisat. Unfortunately with Dvbviewer you can't tweak that polling task, whereas ALTDVB lets you choose a huge time span between each polling thus offering a workaround for that bug.

[hekoheko]

GermanFootballHD1080iok.ts


A64 3200+

Lowest CPU 0%, peak was @ 10%.
"Little" help provided by ATI Radeon HD2600XT. :p

And use 50hz with that clip, only way to play smoothly since its 25fps.

[Crisidelm]

Sure, but try it without Dxva then tell us...

[hekoheko]

Sure, but try it without Dxva then tell us...

It's powerpoint then. :)

[BetaBoy]

Ok... we have tracked down two installer bugs that pulls in the 'Owner ID' rather then the product ID and then bombs the install. Its limited to only a handful of purchases atm and we will push a release out later today/early tomorrow once we verify they are fixed (yes, with the new 1.5 readme).

[BetaBoy]

Additionally.... we have received impressive CoreAVC Professional 1.5 SMP '4 Core' test results on some very high B/W files.

Also on the 60FPS comments..... Haali noted to me that:

<Haali> btw, don't forget that playing 60fps video on a 60fps display will almost always drop frames
<Haali> when using dshow for playback
<Haali> dshow uses audio as master clock and it usually doesn't match the display
<Haali> this also includes 60i stuff that is deinterlaced by frame doubling

[oddball]

Still awaiting BetaBoy's official response to non-spec motion vectors in old x264 encodes.

[Revgen]

Also on the 60FPS comments..... Haali noted to me that:

Quote:
<Haali> btw, don't forget that playing 60fps video on a 60fps display will almost always drop frames
<Haali> when using dshow for playback
<Haali> dshow uses audio as master clock and it usually doesn't match the display
<Haali> this also includes 60i stuff that is deinterlaced by frame doubling

So does this mean I'm supposed to have audio in my encodes in order to do these tests? :confused:

[wozio]

Also on the 60FPS comments..... Haali noted to me that:

<Haali> btw, don't forget that playing 60fps video on a 60fps display will almost always drop frames
<Haali> when using dshow for playback
<Haali> dshow uses audio as master clock and it usually doesn't match the display
<Haali> this also includes 60i stuff that is deinterlaced by frame doubling


That is true but only in windowed mode due to limitations of direct3d or drivers. In exclusive fullscreen mode I get perfectly smooth playback of 60fps sources on 60Hz display.

In fact best results are when display is the same refresh rate as source or at least multiply of it.

[CruNcher]

yep but it's important to have V-sync enabled or you get tearing like in other 3d applications, Exclusive Mode Rocks under Windows XP the best mode imho (and you can use DXVA via VMR-mixer) for watching Video :)

[wozio]

Of course, vsync must be on. In my opinion fullscreen with vsync is only option when playing video on XP.

OT continues ;) : How it is on vista?

[arfster]

Tearing disappeared as soon as I went to Vista. No more need for exclusive modes and the like.

[wozio]

What about dropping frames when playing for example 60 fps source on 60 Hz display? I don't have tearing in XP when vsync is enabled even in windowed mode but playback is far from smoothness.

[andybno1]

has an updated installer been released yet to help with the current issues?

[BetaBoy]

One of the issues has been fixed but we are still working on the webpage fallback as we speak. I would hope for us to complete testing by tomorrow and push the new installer release, but lets see how testing goes with the few users that are having issues.

[bob0r]

@betaBoy:
Since all has been updated, i wonder:

- When does CoreAVC actually check for activation during installer?
- To what is CoreAVC bind again?
As in.... when i reinstall vista/xp, what does it look for?
Windows serial?
- What happens when i run a new installer over a already working CoreAVC, but this install fails? (related to the first question i guess)

[ACrowley]

After a fresh Xp install the installer/ax works again...

So ive no Problmes anymore to reg the .ax :)

[trueimage]

I want my system to play 1080p h.264 mkv files smoothly.

Right now I have E6400 @ stock and 2GB RAM, Windows XP and a 7900 GS HDCP over DVI.

I'm using mplayerc and CoreAVC 1.3 I saw linked somewhere. I want to buy/use this new version no doubt.

What I'm wondering is is my machine ok? Will this new software work fine on these? Does anyone have a stress test high bitrate high res etc file to test?

I can get a decent deal on a Q6600 (4 core, 2.4GHz) and I am going to reinstall soon so I can go with Vista or XP, doesn't matter to me.

Any ideas? Almost all of my files are now 720p or 1080p h.264 mkvs, as I'm backing everything up that way

[deets]

yeah should be ok?

do they play now ok?

and i would kill your thing in ()

i have a 6600

[trueimage]

yeah should be ok?

do they play now ok?

and i would kill your thing in ()

i have a 6600

thanks

The files play ok for the most part, but I have a lot of 720p files, not a lot of 1080p. I'm hoping to find a particularly intense scene and maybe encode that at a high bitrate and 1080p res, unless someone else has done it... just to see.

A little off topic, but I'm noticing some random pauses in my audio, and I'm using onboard spdif output, so I might have to look into that - anyone else ever notice something like that with onboard sound?

You have an E6600 or Q6600? Just wondering the advantage of the Quad core vs Dual core.

[deets]

someone did post some very high level basketball clips earlier on i think which push core to the limit.

random pauses in the 5.1 output?

Q6600. coreavc is supposed to support quad cores, so thats cool. that should mean all works just fine, but the test clips some pages back should be a guide.

i paid 170 quid for my Q6600 but i do tonnes of x264 encoding :) think its a great chip for its price

[andybno1]

sooo any news on a new installer yet with the bug fixes?

[trueimage]

someone did post some very high level basketball clips earlier on i think which push core to the limit.

random pauses in the 5.1 output?

Q6600. coreavc is supposed to support quad cores, so thats cool. that should mean all works just fine, but the test clips some pages back should be a guide.

i paid 170 quid for my Q6600 but i do tonnes of x264 encoding :) think its a great chip for its price

Yeah, small pauses in the audio, over coax. I'm going to try switching to an optical cable I have laying around, and updating the drivers.

I can get the Q6600 for $288 CAD ($268 USD, £136 GBP) so that seems like a good price for Quad cores to me, and I'll move the E6400 to my desktop and try some overclocking on it maybe.

[Delerue]

Some 16mbit h264 1080i from BBC HD's Wimbledon coverage:

http://rapidshare.com/files/46651266/BBC_HD__H264_AC3_eng__07-07_13-25-26.ts.03.ts.html

This video has two audio tracks, right? At least is what VLC tells me. But I can't switch the tracks using MPC. Can you?

[espentan]

BetaBoy, I still get an error loading the CoreAVDecoder.ax.

Is this issue supposed to be fixed now?
I submitted a ticket asking to reset my install, but I was told to wait a that you were still working on a new version...?

This is under Vista x86, btw.

[trueimage]

I'm going to reinstall XP Pro SP2

Can anyone give me a guide on what I should install?
mplayerc, coreavc, ac3filter
is that it?

[deets]

mpc, coreavc and haali :D maybe ffdshow

[leebo]

Is there some other area I should post a complaint about being charged twice and yet not able to download CoreAVC Pro?

I bought the software this past Tuesday. I've PM'd Beta Boy, I've emailed their sales, tech support, and even sent an email to the link they provided when my download link came up as "expired".

I also sent a trouble ticket to the link Beta Boy provided a couple of pages back.

It's now been 4 days and no response from anyone!!!

[Rectal Prolapse]

Good luck leebo - you will need it. :P

Anyways, good thing you found this forum - Betaboy may actually be able to help you now!

[andybno1]

Good luck leebo - you will need it. :P

yeh I second that - coreavc... worse customer service I have EVER experienced........ and I've spoken to indian call centres lol

after installing the installer with the dll error even 1.3 doesn't work now I get the same fault so well done coreavc people

oh and 4 days a go I was told there was gonna be a new installer pushed out on tuesday with this problem fixed........ 4 days on and wow wouldn't u know nothing

[sillKotscha]

wrong thread for rant...

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