CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[dimzon]

@BetaBoy
Just a little suggestion about your AVC Encoder

Please keep it CLI application with AVS support and (maybe) x264-compatible command-line arguments

In this case we will add support for it into MeGUI and other tools

[tomos]

hmm, i always imagined it would be a vfw encoder to use in vdub etc.

as you can tell, i'm one of those point and click people :p

[Pomyk]

There's a small problem with playback of 120fps avi files with coreavc - it plays too fast. It works normally with libavcodec. I know avi should die, but some people still make them :(

[MatMaul]

Not sure if I have commented on this.... but we will be bundling the Windows/Linux versions in a future release. Mplayer? Well I dont wanna commnet atm, but more to let you know we are working on it.

and why not in VLC ?

[videomixer9]

No problem with that :)
The solution is in your config file :p

so thousand of ppl still didn't find the FullySupportSSA/ASS=yes switch and the DoNotFreezeMyFuckingVideoWindowOnPlaybackIfIMoveTheWindowOnwin32=yes switch?

VLC has a GPL only policy, you'll make VLC creators cry using closed source.

And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.
120 fps content also plays sometimes oddly out of sync with WMV encodes here, only with some players though, odd thing. So whatever, try a different splitter and player too maybe.

[3ngel]

@BetaBoy
A pheraps silly question : the retail version of AVC Decoder, will come as simple .ax file? Or it will be one those sh***y installer that mess up with my registry and i need to reinstall when i change dir or change OS?

[dimzon]

And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.
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[videomixer9]

@BetaBoy
A pheraps silly question : the retail version of AVC Decoder, will come as simple .ax file? Or it will be one those sh***y installer that mess up with my registry and i need to reinstall when i change dir or change OS?

what's so bad about an installer? not anyones problem that you cannot use unattended installer modes or just reregister the ax file that you get after installing, as all filters are the same and have to be registerable via just .ax files.

I doubt it won't come with an installer as many ppl will want one. Too many noobs that don't know what to do with just an .ax file.

I hate people like you just plain for their wannabe leetness. Your messing with my registry bitching seems to totally expose how much of an newbie you are too.

[DeathTheSheep]

"And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die."

Wishing death on people is hardly civilized behavior. This isn't a flame war between AVI and CLI. They'll release it however they want.

Thank you.

[Romario]

And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.

I totaly agree with you DeathTheSheep. This is very strange behaviour.

Mods, please give one big warning to member videomixer9.

[videomixer9]

omg pls die DeathTheSheep ... :O (what's with the whining?)

I seriously hope everyone drops VFW support for AVC encoding so we don't get more AVC in AVI, not that hard to use a good container. CLI is nice and versatile and considering there will be a Linux version of the encoder too prolly I hope for no efforts to create VFW interfaces, more important to implement a versatile interface for many more apps on multiple platforms.

It's just sad too see how old fashioned ppl just cannot get over the VFW crap that is as old or even older than Windows 3.0.

[3ngel]

Videomixer9, you're totally out of mind...
Watch less a monitor, and more some other real thing... :D

[shon3i]

Wait ppl, BetaBoy will make decision. Maybe him want to make app like Recode.

[ChronoCross]

you guys keep this up and you'll all get stiked. As doom9's tollerance level is pretty much 0 when argueing about cli versus vfw.

As for their encoder I doubt they've even started it. But if they take the path of other professional companies working on encoders you won't see a vfw version. everything will be done either through a separate gui or a cli. (ateme, nero, elecard, etc.)

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

Wait ppl, BetaBoy will make decision. Maybe he want to make app like Recode.

I hope so, application like Nero Recode 2 would be very nice to see.:)

Regarding videomixer9 strange post, I won't say anything at all.:sly:

[Sirber]

Why making a GUI when people can make their own? :D

[GmorG McRoth]

Why making a GUI when people can make their own? :D
That depends on how good that GUI whuld be. Beyond that, GUI made by original developer will have all features implemented (or it shuld have). Not to mention that searching for usable home made GUI is sometimes problematic, and since CoreAVC encoder will be commercial product eny customer can expect it to be complete with GUI. ofcourse since there is no program yet its all speculation and we will see what core designers have to offer (hmm by the way do the makers of tomb rider and heimdall2 do not feel offended by using their name? Lets hope there will be no lawsuit).

[leowai]

I hope so, application like Nero Recode 2 would be very nice to see.:)
As a MeGUI user, I prefer what dimzon suggested here:
@BetaBoy
Just a little suggestion about your AVC Encoder

Please keep it CLI application with AVS support and (maybe) x264-compatible command-line arguments

In this case we will add support for it into MeGUI and other tools

[ChronoCross]

their trying to sell it. not to make it compatible with open source apps.

[breez]

Btw, what kind of payment options will be available? Paypal? Credit card?

[berrinam]

What's wrong with both. I personally think that the adoption over here in Doom9 would not only depend on quality/speed, but also on ease of use. Anyway, a CLI interface is relatively simple, so I think that if the users want it (which some of us, like dimzon, leowai and me certainly do), CoreAVC should supply it.

[pankov]

About the payment methods.
Please, do support direct credit card payments, because there are many countries that PayPal doesn't work with. Bulgaria for example is one of them :(

[niknik]

Just keep the money at hand... tomorrow we will know! :)

[videomixer9]

Better include something that is not credit cards and paypal too, in germany e.g. you lose almost all buyers with only offering credit card and paypal payment, acceptance rate of both payments methods are really low. Many companies already seemed to wonder about that in germany, but e.g. I have not a single friend and person I know here who has a credit card. "Einzugsermächtigungen" for your bank account are way more usual or payment on bill. A thing that works for most countries though seems to be payment by phone, though it has stupid extra fees.

Acceptance of things like credit card and paypal seems higher in the US and some other countries cause they totally lack other sane payment methods ...

[Eretria-chan]

Lack other sane payment methods? Dude, they don't have to have those other payment methods because very many use credit cards which is easy to use. Very easy. Why would the other countries need other payment methods then, if almost all of the population had credit cards?

I see the sense in making alternate payment methods for countries where things like credit cards almost does not exist, but don't blame these payments, since there needs be no other payment methods in those countries.

[videomixer9]

So what, of course you may fail selling stuff here, not my problem. Just stated that you may fail selling in many countries if you only go for credit card and paypal. Credit cards are just a late invention and all that I say is that adoption to it went fast in some countries due to lack of other sane payment methods, also due to less acceptance for other reasons. What are you pissed about? Annoying folk, pissed about someone not praising US or so, then declare war on my country or whatever.

In the US even paying cash seems to be not a sane method as people always suspect you of using fake money and give you funny glances if you pay with 20 dollar bills etc.

[3ngel]

Credit cards, and online payments are now essential (and a normal situation for software).
But i think is a good thing to extend even to non-online payment (international bank money order, or postal order).

[CiTay]

Better include something that is not credit cards and paypal too, in germany e.g. you lose almost all buyers with only offering credit card and paypal payment, acceptance rate of both payments methods are really low.

Please speak for yourself :)

[bond]

- Add FGT to all editionsyummie film grain (included in the hddvd specs btw) :)

[Eretria-chan]

So what, of course you may fail selling stuff here, not my problem. Just stated that you may fail selling in many countries if you only go for credit card and paypal. Credit cards are just a late invention and all that I say is that adoption to it went fast in some countries due to lack of other sane payment methods, also due to less acceptance for other reasons. What are you pissed about? Annoying folk, pissed about someone not praising US or so, then declare war on my country or whatever.

In the US even paying cash seems to be not a sane method as people always suspect you of using fake money and give you funny glances if you pay with 20 dollar bills etc.
For the record, I'm not dissing other payment methods than credit cards - but credit cards are easy to use - so why should countries that has adopted it use other payments methods? Countries that does not have credit cards should, of course, use other payments methods.

Also, I do not live in US.

[bond]

what the hell? this thread is about coreavc and not some payment methods

betaboy will come up with the payment methods he agrees on and the user will have to use those

if you want to do financial discussions, do it in another board

[videomixer9]

Please speak for yourself, i'm german and i use Paypal for a long time already...

So you are all the germans, you use it so everyone uses it? Acceptance of PayPal in Germany is very low, just check out stuff like ebay (it's an ebay service after all). Very few using paypal, exchange rates are bad and buisness account are expensive and have high fees for no real service. Also PayPal is a Ltd. and based outside the country under funny laws and if you have problems with them it is very tricky to get a lawyer handling that case and their rules are twisty too. Basically PayPal also makes lots of cash with investing the money without giving back anything.

So you basically speak about yourself while I talk about the masses, learn that not everyone is like you.

/me wants to see the funny colorful CoreAVC installer already, lol

[niknik]

I too believe this whole thread could use a "prune"...
So many posts not really related to the subject.
Ppl shouldn't be "obliged" to read all that stuff - including some flamings and unrelated "philosofical" digressions...

As Bond said: want to rant about something else, do it in another thread (or better yet, another forum!)

And yes, this post too should be pruned.

[CiTay]

So you basically speak about yourself while I talk about the masses, learn that not everyone is like you.

Jeez, take it easy. But as Bond said, i'd rather stop it here.

[bond]

strike for rule 16 for videomixer9

[BetaBoy]

Let me explain it so it ends for bond. Payments will temporarily be thorugh PayPal... no you do not need a PayPal account... When our Core Account system is up, all people and what they purchased will be brought over to the new system and at that time you can pay through our more universal payment system we have setup. Unlike PayPal this has no restrictions (that I am aware of).

I'll check on adding a 'world pay' alternative for those others that cannot pay with PayPal.

Our installer is simplistic... and we have worked with Haali on with adding his splitter along with CoreAVC. What will not be done at launch like we had wanted is full support for TS streams. This will come in a future update Haali noted.

Also... Our launch will not be till late tomorrow. For many of you it will be Saturday morning. This friday 'soft' launch over the weekend will allow us to adjust any devel and or make any site adjustments over the weekend for the expected monday rush.

OK... TMI ;-)

[SeeMoreDigital]

No dis-respect to Haali but will installing his splitter be optional during the installation set-up proceedure?

Shame about the .TS support.... but it's better to wait, test some more and get it right...


Cheers

[GmorG McRoth]

and we have worked with Haali on with adding his splitter along with CoreAVC.
This won't be a problem when it will come to update Haali splitter (with installers from Haali website) when new version will be out?

[BetaBoy]

No dis-respect to Haali but will installing his splitter be optional during the installation set-up proceedure?

Shame about the .TS support.... but it's better to wait, test some more and get it right...


Cheers
Yes its optional... we knew people would want it that way.

[BlackSharkfr]

what's wrong with haali splitter ? I haven't had any problems with it.

[fight2win]

so, according to coreavc homepage, it is gonna launch on 31st march, 2006, is this really true?:sly:

[niknik]

No... it's just a pre-April's Fool joke. :P

Of course it's true! :)

[BetaBoy]

I did say 'late' on the 31st... a few more hours. We are testing delivery atm.

[davidlt]

Okay, we are waiting... :) Its` a big day...

[fight2win]

I did say 'late' on the 31st... a few more hours. We are testing delivery atm.

:)

:D

[videomixer9]

lol just visited coreavc.com and it was blocked by ipfilter ... iprange named ... microtorrent.com http://www.bluetack.co.uk/fa/ut.txt ... lol?

[Dreassica]

Somehow I still think they're pulling an april fools on us now :P

[IgorC]

Jokes are coming tommorow ;)

[videomixer9]

well here it is 1st april already

[Doom9]

It's almost 1:30am here, but I did get a file called CoreAVC Professional-1.0.0.0-Setup.rar to my inbox two days ago so it's no April's fool. But the MPAA refraining from criminalizing their own customers is..