CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC" [Archive] - Page 62

Revgen

9th August 2007, 21:08

1) Would be nice, yeah. But if the source is already interlaced it's too late.

2) You don't need one. Just set CoreAVC to directshow deinterlacing and it should work with anything from GeForce 6600 onwards. Even if your card is older you should get some kind of deinterlacing, although perhaps only at 30 fps.

3) Is it to be expected that any content will ever be made available in 1080p60?

1) It's not too late. MVBOB and MCBob do a pretty good job at deinterlacing. Better than anything playback deinterlacers can do.

2) The deinterlacing done by CoreAVC or GeForce don't match MVBob or MCBob. They aren't even close. And there is no way I'm watching sports at 30fps.

3) It won't be unless there are decoders that can decode it. I'm hoping that CoreAVC can pave the way. Once interlacing is gone, the better off editing and watching video will be.

Jay Bee

9th August 2007, 22:01

1) It's not too late. MVBOB and MCBob do a pretty good job at deinterlacing. Better than anything playback deinterlacers can do.

2) The deinterlacing done by CoreAVC or GeForce don't match MVBob or MCBob. They aren't even close. And there is no way I'm watching sports at 30fps.

3) It won't be unless there are decoders that can decode it. I'm hoping that CoreAVC can pave the way. Once interlacing is gone, the better off editing and watching video will be.

GPU deinterlacing may not quite match MVBob but they are pretty damn good nowadays. You should give it a try. And it's about 2000x more efficient i.e. realtime. And you don't need to double the amount of data before encoding if you leave it interlaced.

But we can agree that sports at 30 fps is unbearable and anyone who dares applying a 30 fps deinterlacer to sports content should be shot without trial. :)

EDIT: if you can upload a short sample of your basketball clip I'd gladly make a couple of comparison screenshots.

BetaBoy

9th August 2007, 23:41

OK... I now have a ton of Vista testers.... Now I need XP PPl that are having the issue with running the AX and can help us test... pls email me betaboy@corecodec.com so we can have you run past a few test installs. Thx!!

Guest

9th August 2007, 23:50

I clicked on your Buy Now link and I get a Paypal screen that just says "This session contains invalid data.".

How do I purchase CoreAVC?

ChronoCross

10th August 2007, 00:12

I clicked on your Buy Now link and I get a Paypal screen that just says "This session contains invalid data.".

How do I purchase CoreAVC?

Are you using a proxy that strips referrers or a browser that does? I've seen that take out paypal payment scripts. It's working fine for me.

Guest

10th August 2007, 00:31

Nope. No proxy and IE 6. This is beyond ridiculous now.

BetaBoy

10th August 2007, 00:38

Guest

10th August 2007, 00:55

Checked in IE 6, IE 7, FF, Mozilla, Opera, Netscape under Win98, 2000, XP and Vista and all works fine here as well as XP/IE7/FF from a third party location using a proxy.

Here try the E-Junkie direct link: https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?i=39353&c=single&cl=3582 Exact same result. Any more ideas beyond "works fine here"? I'd be happy to mail you a check.

I have all cookies, including seesion cookies, enabled.

BetaBoy

10th August 2007, 01:37

sure... adblocker? Is Javascript enabled? btw... I have omited that link as it needs to be parsed on our side from that PHP script. IE; http://www.coreavc.com/purchase_pro.php

However the error you received "This session contains invalid data." might be caused by e-junkie. We are testing the purchasing now.

JimmyZ

10th August 2007, 03:13

still not working on Vista x64?

Guest

10th August 2007, 04:35

CruNcher

10th August 2007, 08:28

@ bobor

Even with GPU support (and deblocking disable < voiding spec) Cyberlink is slower.

Hmm is this result based on a DualCore Cpu ?
For Singlecore i can definately say this isn't true Cyberlinks PV1 Decoder (i can only test PV1 Geforce 7600 GS) is still a tad faster (in terms of raw fps) then CoreAVC without deblocking (dunno about DualCore yet ;) ) Results based on Windows XP Sp2 Low Latency Driver optimized ), but as i said all the Benchmarks @ the moment on the net about PV1/PV2 and UVD say nothing about it's Energy Efficiency compared vs CPU useing CoreAVC (they only test raw fps or most only CPU usage on every site, but not GPU usage and the resulting Energy consumption) :P, but ok if you gonna build a CE Device as Betaboy allready said you would go the K.I.S.S way so Broadcom AVC/VC1 DSP and you good to go and for sure with less Energy loss, but for all the HTPC builders i think this should be compared anyways CoreAVC + current low voltage CPU vs GPU based decoding + low voltage cpu and then measure the power of both systems and take this into account in the benchmarks (in times of raising energy prices) energy efficiency of Codecs (for a given purpose you wan't to reach) should be tested too. (Exactly in this terms Microsoft tweaked VC-1 over H.264)

BetaBoy

10th August 2007, 09:08

ok.... all ppl that have had an issue pls login to the core account and download the new installer and give it a shot. If you run into an issue we have setup a debug installer to see whats breaking for some users.

Guest

10th August 2007, 09:19

ACrowley

10th August 2007, 09:27

@Bobor

ep..i can confirm it. On my A64 X2 4800 ,CyberlinkH264Decoder without DXVA is slower compared to CoreAVC!
Where Cyberlink has ~90% CPU Load, CoreAVC has 70-80%

Same on my Single Core AMD

@BetaBoy
No..new installer wont work on my Xp. Same Problems .

But why was the 1.5.0.0 installer from Monday working , any new Protection ?
1st .ax was 181kb, new ax is 184kb. Its only a installer/Activation change ,right ? Caused by the pirated Version ?

Maybe you should go back to the 1st installer until youve fixed your Reg Problems ,so that People can use the Product for the payed Money ?

bob0r

10th August 2007, 09:46

coreavc.com > "Buy now $19.95"
buy now button (paypal) > CoreAVC Professional Total: $14.95USD http://x264.nl/unsure.gif

Viper Zx

10th August 2007, 10:27

CruNcher

10th August 2007, 10:47

Ice =A=

10th August 2007, 14:42

I just downloaded the new version and in my case it seem so work now! (I wouldn't bet that it would work if I had to e.g. reinstall windows, but for now it's ok. :)) Thanks!

Guest

10th August 2007, 15:11

My bad. PayPal.com was on my blocked sites list. :eek:

So I am able to get to the purchase page now. Next step: purchase it and try to activate it.

Sorry for the distraction.

BetaBoy

10th August 2007, 18:10

It looks good so far... we are still tracking 1-2 more issues related to installers getting "Installer has been tampered with" or 'Installer is out of date"

KoD

10th August 2007, 18:37

No adblocker and Active Scripting is enabled.

No adblocker, huh ? ^^

BetaBoy

10th August 2007, 20:38

We have found only 8 ppl with issue with the "Installer has been tampered with" or 'Installer is out of date" and have reset their downloads. As of right now all the ppl that had reported installer bugs have been fixed. However there still maybe a few adjustments that will be required to the installer that is OS specific that we might have to. Thanx again to all the testers and patience by everyone while we worked on the issues.

We will see how it goes over the weekend and if all is well, we will then release Standard Edition and the Trial version.

Viper Zx

10th August 2007, 22:14

Output folder: C:\Program Files\CoreCodec\CoreAVC Professional
Extract: CoreAVCDecoder.ax... 100%
Extract: CoreAVCReadme.txt... 100%
Could not load: C:\Program Files\CoreCodec\CoreAVC Professional\CoreAVCDecoder.ax
Could not load: C:\Program Files\CoreCodec\CoreAVC Professional\CoreAVCDecoder.ax
Created uninstaller: C:\Program Files\CoreCodec\CoreAVC Professional\CoreAVC Professional-uninstall.exe
Completed

I have new downloaded the installer now.
Does not work!

Bye
Viper Zx

andybno1

10th August 2007, 22:30

just grabbed new installer and wahey I have it installed :D wateva was causing the installer to not detect productID has been fixed :D

just one question though how do I get coreavc associated with mkv? since installin new version mkv is opening with the cyberlink h.264 codec with terrible playback with batman returns

ToS_Maverick

10th August 2007, 22:42

coreavc has a lower merit as cyberlink h264. you have to use gspot to set it higher.

andybno1

10th August 2007, 22:47

I set coreavc as prefer in mpc but its using cyberlink still

EDIT: and now when I blocked cyberlink it has nothing to playback mkv

ChronoCross

10th August 2007, 23:27

I set coreavc as prefer in mpc but its using cyberlink still

EDIT: and now when I blocked cyberlink it has nothing to playback mkv

what type of file class is it returning for the filter it's looking for?

bob0r

11th August 2007, 00:26

@andybno1
Check if you can open CoreAVC properties, via MPC (double click in external filters)

or

start/program/CoreCodec/CoreAVC Professional/Configure CoreAVC

If that opens, you know at least that its registered with windows, and thus activated.

andybno1

11th August 2007, 02:04

well I think we have found the problem, I get the following if I re-register or un-register

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9301/corecodecgr5.jpg

DigitalDeviant

11th August 2007, 02:46

well I think we have found the problem, I get the following if I re-register or un-register

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9301/corecodecgr5.jpg

This was the same error I had from the install log to the dll initialization error. The problem was on the account side (iirc they had the wrong serial in my account). Have you opened a ticket through Core?

Delerue

11th August 2007, 03:15

So, if any of you have Core Duo's or Quads and want to try these vids, I have the encodes below. I'm going to upload the 1080's for now, but if any of you want the 720's I can upload those too if you're interested.

Please tell me your results!

Basketball 1080p 60fps 10000kpbs

http://www.mediafire.com/?9y2xdhwwwdc

Basketball 1080p 60fps 5000kbps

http://www.mediafire.com/?cxsgwssnwz2

I want to try, but unfortunately these links are broken. Can you re-upload them, please?

BTW, when you run these videos you get CPU full load all the time?

Cheers.

Dark Shikari

11th August 2007, 03:37

I want to try, but unfortunately these links are broken. Can you re-upload them, please?

BTW, when you run these videos you get CPU full load all the time?

Cheers.
Both of the downloads work fine for me...

Delerue

11th August 2007, 03:53

Both of the downloads work fine for me...

Yeah. I tried now and worked. Maybe it was a Mediafire server bug. I'll bench my Allendale right now with these videos. :)

EDITED: man, these videos are REALLY heavy. Althought they run well here, the CPU usage with the 10000kpbs one was around 60%, with a maximum of 72%. But, hey, I'm talking about a Core 2 Duo running at 3 GHz! I think that I found the heaviest video. Thanks to CoreAVC it can be decoded perfectly. :)

ACrowley

11th August 2007, 08:50

well I think we have found the problem, I get the following if I re-register or un-register

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9301/corecodecgr5.jpg

So its not fixed ,right....Oh man, ia it ao hard to fix it ?, i cant belive

Revgen

11th August 2007, 10:14

Yeah. I tried now and worked. Maybe it was a Mediafire server bug. I'll bench my Allendale right now with these videos. :)

EDITED: man, these videos are REALLY heavy. Althought they run well here, the CPU usage with the 10000kpbs one was around 60%, with a maximum of 72%. But, hey, I'm talking about a Core 2 Duo running at 3 GHz! I think that I found the heaviest video. Thanks to CoreAVC it can be decoded perfectly. :)

Wow. I was pretty confident the Core Duo would do the 5000kbps one. I wasn't so sure about the 10,000kbps one though, but your report sounds awesome. Apparently Quad-Core isn't needed as far as playback is concerned for most videos. 1920x1080p/10,000kbps/60fps is about as good as it gets for AVC.

foxyshadis

11th August 2007, 11:37

Well, unless you play an HD disc with 18Mbps avg/28Mbps peak. What's the peak on that clip? (Don't have the bandwidth to download now.)

arfster

11th August 2007, 14:41

Nasty clips those. For comparison, I ran the 10mbit one through PDVD's decoder in software mode, and my C2D 3.2ghz manages 60% average. The 5mbit one is barely less, at around 55%.

Lowering the clock to e6400 speeds (2.4ghz) and it only just manages the two, hitting 90%. Any slower and I think some frames would be dropped.

Incidentally, although the peak is only 15mbit, that clip is actually much harder on the CPU than a high bitrate AVC Bluray title like Pirates of the Carribean. I ran a sequence with avg 20mbit/peak 45mbit, and it averaged 40% CPU at 3.2ghz. Probably the key difference is that 60fps really eats CPU compared to 24fps, regardless of the bitrate.

Crisidelm

11th August 2007, 15:32

Could somebody check if they have a better Quality Chroma upsampleing now (compared to Mainconcept/Elecard and FFdshow High Quality Mode) (quality problem i told the devs some months ago, can't read anything about it in the Changelog so that suprises me somehow)

I recorded a couple of minutes of a football match on Premiere HD (1080i, variable bitrate), and send it to a friend who's got CoreAVC 1.5.0.0. He compared it against Mainconcept codec (set to Software of course), and told me that CoreAVC isn't quite up to it qualitiy-wise yet.Furthermore he told me that with CoreAVC it wasn't fluid, losing frames every few seconds, whilst with Mainconcept the TS played absolutely fine (CPU is E6600).

Jay Bee

11th August 2007, 15:39

Apparently Quad-Core isn't needed as far as playback is concerned for most videos. 1920x1080p/10,000kbps/60fps is about as good as it gets for AVC.

If want hard, do 1080p60 lossless AVC. :) I'm not sure 4 cores would suffice.

Jay Bee

11th August 2007, 15:42

I recorded a couple of minutes of a football match on Premiere HD (1080i, variable bitrate), and send it to a friend who's got CoreAVC 1.5.0.0. He compared it against Mainconcept codec (set to Software of course), and told me that CoreAVC isn't quite up to it qualitiy-wise yet.Furthermore he told me that with CoreAVC it wasn't fluid, losing frames every few seconds, whilst with Mainconcept the TS played absolutely fine (CPU is E6600).

I wouldn't mind a piece of that clip to test on 1.5. :) Did you tell your friend to set CoreAVC deinterlacing mode to directshow? It's essential to smooth motion as the default CoreAVC setting will half the resolution.

Crisidelm

11th August 2007, 16:02

Yes, Standard deblocking and DirectShow deinterlacing.
The file is 254MB (a few seconds short of two minutes of play)...

Delerue

11th August 2007, 17:49

Wow. I was pretty confident the Core Duo would do the 5000kbps one. I wasn't so sure about the 10,000kbps one though, but your report sounds awesome. Apparently Quad-Core isn't needed as far as playback is concerned for most videos. 1920x1080p/10,000kbps/60fps is about as good as it gets for AVC.

Yeah. Dual-core seems to be enough, but I think that Pentium 4 and Athlon X2 isn't capable of. So we need a high CPU clocks and a really great architecture. Let's hope Barcelona do the job with less GHz. :)

I ran a sequence with avg 20mbit/peak 45mbit, and it averaged 40% CPU at 3.2ghz. Probably the key difference is that 60fps really eats CPU compared to 24fps, regardless of the bitrate.

You're right. The heavy factor here is the FPS. Comparing to 24 FPS we're talking about almost 250% of additional job. :)

If want hard, do 1080p60 lossless AVC. I'm not sure 4 cores would suffice.

Sorry if I'm saying *******, but lossless don't use high compreession algorithms, right? Maybe the space in disk is higher than the CPU usage. Lossless audio (FLAC, for example) works in that way. What you think?

arfster

11th August 2007, 19:47

I wouldn't mind a piece of that clip to test on 1.5. :)

Some 16mbit h264 1080i from BBC HD's Wimbledon coverage:

http://rapidshare.com/files/46651266/BBC_HD__H264_AC3_eng__07-07_13-25-26.ts.03.ts.html

andybno1

11th August 2007, 20:32

This was the same error I had from the install log to the dll initialization error. The problem was on the account side (iirc they had the wrong serial in my account). Have you opened a ticket through Core?

no I haven't but shall do now ;)

espentan

11th August 2007, 21:55

well I think we have found the problem, I get the following if I re-register or un-register

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9301/corecodecgr5.jpg

That's the very same error I'm getting.

Tried to download the installer twice just to verify it's not caused by a broken installer, or whatever.

Fix, pretty plix?

K k tnx bye :)

Delerue

11th August 2007, 22:20

Some 16mbit h264 1080i from BBC HD's Wimbledon coverage:

http://rapidshare.com/files/46651266/BBC_HD__H264_AC3_eng__07-07_13-25-26.ts.03.ts.html

Weird. I can't hear the audio track of this video. I'm using MPC last build by clsid (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128616) + CoreAAC 1.2.0.575; using the MPC AAC internal decoder doesn't change. If I use VLC I get the same thing. But if I use SMPlayer (a MPlayer GUI) I can hear the audio, but no video.

mitsubishi

11th August 2007, 22:50

Weird. I can't hear the audio track of this video. I'm using MPC last build by clsid (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128616) + CoreAAC 1.2.0.575; using the MPC AAC internal decoder doesn't change. If I use VLC I get the same thing. But if I use SMPlayer (a MPlayer GUI) I can hear the audio, but no video.

The audio is AC3, try AC3filter.

BetaBoy

11th August 2007, 23:58

I recorded a couple of minutes of a football match on Premiere HD (1080i, variable bitrate), and send it to a friend who's got CoreAVC 1.5.0.0. He compared it against Mainconcept codec (set to Software of course), and told me that CoreAVC isn't quite up to it qualitiy-wise yet.Furthermore he told me that with CoreAVC it wasn't fluid, losing frames every few seconds, whilst with Mainconcept the TS played absolutely fine (CPU is E6600).

I'd like to try that clip or see actual stats on that. On quality I'm not sure how your friend can state that really... I mean its 'bit-exact', you are not gonna get any more 'quality' out of it.

BetaBoy

12th August 2007, 00:02

Anyone with the AX issue can submit a ticket... http://support.corecodec.com/index.php?_m=tickets&_a=submit

Although I do think we have the installer bugs fixed... we think the ppl here that are reporting the AX problems were those who had downloaded and installed the old un-fixed installer.

(Although I reserve judgement on that still ;-) . . . anyway we will keep track of any potential issue.