CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[asdfsauce]

Something tells me this will only hurt people who are interested in acquiring CoreAVC legitimately.

[Disabled]

Really sad to hear about the online activation and the strict licensing model. I would not have bought it if I knew it from the beginning. I was always hoping to get in legal to the Xbox, but I guess this will also be impossible then and I could have pirated CoreAvc from the beginning.
Is there a way uninstalling it when I shutdown my computer and a one click installer? This way I could use it legally on my home Computer and Laptop...
You know, besides Windows (legal) I tried to stay open source since I last reinstalled. And CoreAVC is the ONLY except to that. A activation product really does not fit into that...

[Jay Bee]

Did you not notice that with 1.0 there is no EULA? In our honest opinion (and our counsels) EULA's are useless.

Well that explains why I couldn't find it. :) But how do we know then exactly what we are allowed to do and what we aren't? Glad to hear that it wont be that strict though.

[Nick [D]vB]

Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players on live streams with CoreAVC but Cyberlink and VSS3 both set the correct resolution.

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:

252:16.905 SetMediaType OUTPUT FORMAT_VideoInfo2

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00 <<--

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28 00 00 00 00 03 00 00

252:16.905 c0 fd ff ff 01 00 0c 00 59 56 31 32 00 20 0a 00

252:16.905 00 54 06 00 00 54 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


You can see the Value d0 02 and 40 02

These are Width and Height in HEX of the BITMAPINFOHEADER in the VIDEOINFOHEADER2 Structure

0x02d0 = 720

0x0240 = 576

CoreAVC is setting up a wrong Mediatype


Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

.

[BetaBoy]

acidsex... I have been more then open... if you follow all 70+ pages of this thread I have stated our intentions all along.

We pride ourselves on our balance of Open Source and closed projects we have at CoreCodec and we realize we will not keep everyone happy. But in the end its a 'business' and we have responsibilities to IP holders.

I have always listened just like I am now....

[BetaBoy]

vB']Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players with live streams

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I hope you don't mind but I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:




Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

Haali just fixed an aspect ratio bug that this might be from.

[Nick [D]vB]

Interesting, but I think DC-DVB Source uses it's own demux / splitter.

http://www.dsp-worx.de/?n=11

http://forum.dsp-worx.de/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=272&st=0#entry1233

Maybe Haali can help us out with this?

[BetaBoy]

vB']Interesting, but I think DC-DVB Source uses it's own demux / splitter.

http://www.dsp-worx.de/?n=11

http://forum.dsp-worx.de/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=272&st=0#entry1233

Maybe Haali can help us out with this?

I can tell you before he can.... Haali has his plate full atm.

[Revgen]

@Betaboy

Can you send me the newest beta to my gmail account.

Thanks.

[acidsex]

acidsex... I have been more then open... if you follow all 70+ pages of this thread I have stated our intentions all along.

We pride ourselves on our balance of Open Source and closed projects we have at CoreCodec and we realize we will not keep everyone happy. But in the end its a 'business' and we have responsibilities to IP holders.

I have always listened just like I am now....

BetaBoy: I understand it is a business and I have no problems with that. I just feel that online activation goes a bit too far. Now I have three systems and only one copy of Core AVC Pro. Just last week, I uninstalled it from my desktop and installed in on my laptop. Once Core ties it to my hardware, Im screwed. Dont get me wrong, I love your product even though I dont like the idea of spending money for a decoder. But once you all hit online activation that ties it to my hardware, I hate to say it but I am done along with I am many others.

While IP holders are important, your first responsiblity is to your consumers that have already paid.

[jblade]

Betaboy, how do we go about getting on the beta test team?

P.S. any ETA on 1.1 Final?

[BetaBoy]

Betaboy, how do we go about getting on the beta test team?

P.S. any ETA on 1.1 Final?

ATM testing is over for 1.1... we are a little behind on the final installation testing but are expecting the release in the next couple of hours.... this one installer bug may set us back as late as 11am EST tomorrow.... but lets see how the next few hours go.

[Nick [D]vB]

I can tell you before he can.... Haali has his plate full atm.

Fair enough. :D

I suppose DeCoder can just add a work-around like Griga's.

I finally managed to re-produce the "green bar" bug,

I only get it with the "Video format detection" box cleared.

I assumed people had already tried this as it's all explained in the DVBViewer thread.

Good luck squashing that installer bug, I know lots of people are looking forward to using CoreAVC to watch the match...

[maxleung]

Locking CoreAVC to hardware is an unpleasant surprise. If I had known CoreAVC would be going in that direction I never would have purchased CoreAVC Pro in the first place. Oh wait - who am I kidding? It was on sale that day. :P

I bought CoreAVC opening night too...really love the codec. But this hardware licensing scheme crosses the line for me.

TheaterTek had gone the hardware licensing route for a few years, but last year they removed the restriction and I am sure they massively increased their sales and drastically reduced the load on customer support.

Please reconsider - or come up with an easy way to re-activate the codec when you change PCs - TheaterTek had an automated system in place that would have a limited number of activations (and a time period between activations) to prevent abuse. This would allow HTPC enthusiasts to tinker with PCs - who perform hardware upgrades, replace defective parts, experiment with builds, etc. a chance to keep CoreAVC around.

The fact that TheaterTek retired the system must show that there is little to no benefit to hardware locking. I've only seen them used successfully for hardware and software products in the multi-thousand dollar range - purchased by big corporations where the stakes are much higher.

[Foreigner999]

I have been keeping up with the last 70 pages and unless i was blind for the last 70 pages this is big news to me. Hardware locking sounds like an unattractive offer and i share alot of the same sentiments like alot of others have expressed. I wouldn't mind paying more per pc if the price is reasonable.

Like 20$ usd for the primary license and 3 dollars for each additional license. But 60$ for three pc's sounds like an absurd amount. I Thought the creators/patent holders of AVC, the technology, only charged about a few cents per license? I change systems alot so i dunno how this will affect me. I really dont mind if the new online activation system is gentle on paying customers and harsh on pirates really.

I dont see how your going to go about convincing an avid anime community to buy your codec if a good portion of the world has more than one PC/smartphone/ipod/xbox. Your primarily a buissness, when a high "per device" fee comes around i only see people perceiving coreavc as an unattractive offer if they have to plunk down alot of $$$ to have it in use on all thier devices.
A novel invention and implementation but way too costly to use if you looking for ease of use and efficiency.

Besides, lets face the facts. Computers/devices _will_ get faster and the current situation with avc will not be the same in the future. Features, novelty and being the first to leave an impression on the world is good buisness sense. Otherwise, an open source implementation will catch-up or replace coreavc (yes thats my opinion).

[jblade]

I have been keeping up with the last 70 pages and unless i was blind for the last 70 pages this is big news to me. Hardware locking sounds like an unattractive offer and i share alot of the same sentiments like alot of others have expressed. I wouldn't mind paying more per pc if the price is reasonable.

Like 20$ usd for the primary license and 3 dollars for each additional license. But 60$ for three pc's sounds like an absurd amount. I Thought the creators/patent holders of AVC, the technology, only charged about a few cents per license? I change systems alot so i dunno how this will affect me. I really dont mind if the new online activation system is gentle on paying customers and harsh on pirates really.

I dont see how your going to go about convincing an avid anime community to buy your codec if a good portion of the world has more than one PC/smartphone/ipod/xbox. Your primarily a buissness, when a high "per device" fee comes around i only see people perceiving coreavc as an unattractive offer if they have to plunk down alot of $$$ to have it in use on all thier devices.
A novel invention and implementation but way too costly to use if you looking for ease of use and efficiency.

Besides, lets face the facts. Computers/devices _will_ get faster and the current situation with avc will not be the same in the future. Features, novelty and being the first to leave an impression on the world is good buisness sense. Otherwise, an open source implementation will catch-up or replace coreavc (yes thats my opinion).
agreed. The developers, dont want just the money they earned for their product... they have gotten extroardinarly greedy.

[W3ird_N3rd]

Oh no. Oh no oh no oh no.

Over the last year I've been trying to make all of my software legal, one way or another. Some software is so old I just can't buy it anymore, too bad. Others have been replaced with open source. I paid for other programs. Uninstalled some.

There was one big exception. I tried to get Linux running a few times, but it seems it's still not entirely ready for the desktop. So the exception was Windows. The price wasn't even the problem. I just do not want a product that uses Product Activation. Exactly the technology you are going to use now.

One week ago I bought a Windows license anyway. Still, I'm not sure about if I will install the media that comes with it. I don't want that activation crap on my PC! What if the software company goes bankrupt? You can kiss your software goodbye and never install it again? Sure, MS can't go bankrupt, they are just to big. But that's not the case with CoreCodec. You are small.

Now CoreAVC goes the same way. Really too bad.

I want to make a Linux dualboot anyway, and if I can get my DVB-C/S cards working, the only solution to watch h.264 streams will probably be CoreAVC, when the Linux version comes to the market. But with Product Activation, I can't accept it.

I'll probably stick with Windows (Cyberlink decoder, yes, I paid for that!!) and Standard Def for Linux until some opensource fast h.264 decoder comes. If you follow this way with product activation, CoreAVC isn't going to be my solution.

So I think you could say you just lost another very potential customer. I don't give a shit about a bloody $20 to get h.264 running on Linux in the future. I don't even give a shit about $40 or whatever for such a thing. I don't care it's closed source. But I'm not going to buy any more products with product activation! Windows XP was an exception, and I'm not going to buy Vista. Before Windows XP gets entirely obsolete (will take at least 5 years probably), I'll probably switch to Linux, or if that's not possible, I might buy a Mac. 5 years is a long time. But for sure, there is no product activation in my future. And if CoreAVC will incorporate Product Activation, CoreAVC will not be my future.

I have spoken. Thanks for listening.

[rura]

I'll chime in to say that, as another paying customer who bought on the first day of availability, I'm also very disappointed in this possibility. Why should I even use the legitimate version (that I paid for!!!) when I could just grab a cracked copy off the internet? Inconveniencing paying customers while only mildly inconveniencing the crackers (and those who download the cracked version won't even know there was an activation!) is a poor way to go...

[W3ird_N3rd]

You're right. The crackers won't feel a thing. People who usually use illegal software will now either use a cracked version of CoreAVC without stupid checks, or they'll switch to Cyberlink or some other decoder. They won't feel a thing of your activation. Paying customers will.

I think I should also make a bit more clear why I don't like PA, besides the software becoming useless if the company goes bankrupt and problems with upgrading/switching hardware.

By using PA you imply you don't trust your customers. You assume they are ALL thieves, and therefor they have to go through a check.

In The Netherlands we would say: Zo de waard is vertrouwd hij zijn gasten. It's hard but I'll try to translate that: The host will trust his guests as much as the host himself can be trusted.

In other words, if you don't trust us, why would we trust you?

[f@chance]

To add my voice and slant to this topic of activation.

I was impressed with your switch in releasing Pro v 1.1 and dropping your plans of what should go into v. 1.1 in favour of the Londoners that want to watch the World Cup in High Def. As a former ISV I know the headaches associated with producing decent software and that you deserve to be rewarded for your stellar efforts. Even though my 2 year old (at that time top performance) can't handle the live decoding, I nevertheless wanted to pay for your decoder because you deserve a reward for your hard work since you have to pay bills and feed a family.

However with Conroe being expected Q3 2006 I certainly will not upgrade my hardware now and with you going to Product activation well I believe you just lost my purchase of your product even though I will not be using it until I do a Hardware upgrade.

The Laptop is highspec and possibly could do live broadcast decoding, but again considering the life span of laptops I don't think I will buy a product that I can't use a few months down the road because it is tied to a hardware platform.

All I want is your product on the device that I own that I and ONLY I will use when I am behind the keyboard.

You figure out a way on how to do this and we are in business again.

Dimadsoft have done a protection with there product DVD Remake that is very copy protective yet at the same time allows me the license holder to use it on the device that I am operating.

[Hans Ohlo]

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

This is all part of what we are doing with our long term plans with CorePlayer Mobile/PMP/Desktop and our Media Library (internally called CoreTunes).
you can't be serious!

i paid for your coreavc pro, but if you go down this road i think it will scare away possibe customers and the warez/hacked version will ALWAYS be there.

for me the best thing with coreavc was, that it was affordable and easy to use. but with all that stuff about registration and hardware locking or one computer licence coreavc takes itself to serious. concentrate on making the product better and not how to scare away potential customers!

i have to add: if i knew what would come with this licencing scheme i would have NOT purchased coreavc!

just think about what nvidia just told about purevideo HD... which will also be around 30$

[dimzon]

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

Hmmm... Personally I like huge amount of users really hate this way (StarForce-like way)... So prepare to massive boycott from End-Users

PS. Intellectual Property protection MUST BE well-balanced with End-User comfort. And anyway it's mostly impossible to protect against crackers...

[Oxygen]

Specifically on your 'harsh' comment... when you purchase a single PC license for any CoreAVC Edition... it is essentially that... a 'single' license. In the case of AVC the 'cost' for EVERY release we do (initial downloads plus each update downloaded), there is a cost for... so essentially there are no FREE upgrades for our IP license of AVC... if we release 3 updates FREE to our users... we get charged for 3 units... thats just the way it works.

So basically, this 1 pc per licence only is due to the MPLAA ?

They do not allow to sell a licence without having a way to track all the licences sold, and locking each licence to one (and only one) hardware ?

[Theliel]

well, i understand betaboy politics. in the end, all is business. But... if a soft is very good, cracked version is unavoidable. I thing only harmer will be users buy legal soft.

lock in hardware... it's a dangerous decision

[works]

Getting back to tech issues on hand:

I'm testing CoreAVC with the BBC "Planet Earth BBC HD" content and for now I get much better quality deinterlacing and stable playback on the PowerDVD7 decoder than with CoreAVC. I'm using an AMD X2 4400+ and ATI X1800XT. Disabling deinterlacing and deblocking completely gives me somewhat similar framerate as I get with Cyberlink with everything on. Any toughts what to do?

[Oxygen]

Getting back to tech issues on hand:

I'm testing CoreAVC with the BBC "Planet Earth BBC HD" content and for now I get much better quality deinterlacing and stable playback on the PowerDVD7 decoder than with CoreAVC. I'm using an AMD X2 4400+ and ATI X1800XT. Disabling deinterlacing and deblocking completely gives me somewhat similar framerate as I get with Cyberlink with everything on. Any toughts what to do?

I'd say your cyberlink uses ATI avivo stuff :)

[BetaBoy]

You guys need to chill a bit ;-) We just released CoreAVC 1.1 Professional Edition... for the sake of us listening to you everyone we did it with NO server-side authentication for now.

[works]

I'd say your cyberlink uses ATI avivo stuff :)

That it indeed does, but the it doesn't benefit from it that much unless it is able to do the deinterlacing in ATI hardware. I have no idea how MBAFF works in reality so I can only guess.

Waiting for DXVA support for CoreAVC then :)

[adapter]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

[GodofaGap]

Does the MPEG-LA really demands hardware locking? Do other companies (Nero, Cyberlink) require that? And if they don't should the MPEG-LA be preparing for law-suits?

If so, I think it is the MPEG-LA that needs to be boycotted. Interoperability my ass.

[works]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

If it doesn't play the recordings smoothly I highly suspect that it won't perform any better on the live stuff :p

I'll do more tests when I get my DVB-t card delivered.

[BetaBoy]

Let me just finish my thoughts on the CorePlayer/CoreTunes model vs. our directshow filters registrations.

CP/CT
Please have no doubt that with CorePlayer/CoreTunes we will have server-side authentication and hardware lockin for the user. This is required for many reason including device type, Core Account linking, UPNP/DLNA/SyncML functionality. For more technical side read below...

CoreAVC/DS Filters
Let me explain the system for a possible future CoreAVC that would "tie" the installed copy of CoreAVC to specific hardware. There have been many misconceptions listed here about what this system will do, how it will work, etc.

First off, this system is being instituted for a number of reasons. CoreCodec, as a H.264 patent licensee, has royalties which must be paid, depending on the number of units distributed. These patent licenses have a variety of terms (depends on which patent), which place obligations on CoreCodec. These obligations include (in some cases) security requirements for access control, as well as reporting requirements. Part of the design of the system is to allow us to kill off older versions of the software and issue updates when they become available.

The upcoming system is also designed to be as minimally invasive as possible. Like the current version of CoreAVC, each user will be provided with a custom-built installer. This installer will contain a serial number, just like the current version does. For internet-connected users (most of you, since you have to be online to download and purchase CoreAVC), the installer will take care of everything automatically. For users installing on computers which are not connected to the internet, you will need to (one time) visit a single URL, and enter in a short hardware code.

CoreAVC will generate a hardware hash, which is designed to be very tolerant of hardware changes, but unlikely to work on other machines. An automated system will be set up to allow you to "clear" your account a limited number of times (for moving from one machine to another, or for severe hardware changes). If additional changes need to be authorized, you can simply drop us an email, and one of us will respond within 24 hours.

Although this system is partially designed to combat piracy, it's primary purpose is to (hopefully, still have to get the lawyers involved) allow us to provide free updates to CoreAVC, (rather than having to pay patent royalties on every version). The old copy doesn't get destroyed until the new one is installed (no retroactive deactivation of copies). We're not like starforce - no drivers are installed, and no other programs are affected outside CoreAVC. We don't force updates down your throat, deactivate old copies until new ones are installed, add any services, phone home every run, or run other programs when CoreAVC is not in use. For the vast majority of users, it won't ever be an issue, as they will never see any dialogs, get told they can't do something, or have to even type in a cd-key. As for us building an invasive hardware profile, there simply isn't enough data passed to be an issue. For example, your CD-ROM is assigned a number of 1-7, based on which model you have. Put simply, even if we look at the number for your CD-ROM, you still share the identifier with 1/7 of all the CD-ROM models out there (thousands).

Now enjoy CoreAVC 1.1 and lets get back to the codec ;-)

[AS]

Bah, uniquely locks into my hardware, so if I upgrade my pc I am screwed even when I have a legit license? Not even microsoft is like this, thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the "technological preview" version then.

[SL2]

CoreAVC 1.1 works perfectly for me watching BBC HD live. :thanks: :thanks: :D :D

I am using a Dell 5150 Pentium 820 2.8 Ghz Dual Core.

[adspence]

vB']Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players on live streams with CoreAVC but Cyberlink and VSS3 both set the correct resolution.

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:




Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

.

I was actually getting something similar with DC-DVB and Cyberlink a couple of days ago. It seems to be DC-DVB related, as the graph showed it wasn't picking up the right filter at all - and using Nvidia Video Decoder instead. Strange thing is that it displayed anything at all - the nvidia decoder should only deal with MPEG2 not H264.

I have no idea why DC-DVB wanted to use the wrong filter. I'd created a DVB source file that said "MPEG2=Nvidia and H264=Cyberlink"...but it ignored me. I had to set BOTH to Cyberlink to get it to do what I wanted. Unfortunately I must have introduced a conflict at some point because now DVBviewer doesn't work at all...and that was fine for VMR7 - not any more. Clean and reinstall in order? Again!

[cookeal]

Hi,

Made an attempt to purchase 1.1 - got my Paypal receipt but no download page or confirmation email.

Have emailed receipt number - How do I proceed please?

[BetaBoy]

Hi,

Made an attempt to purchase 1.1 - got my Paypal receipt but no download page or confirmation email.

Have emailed receipt number - How do I proceed please?
You can email me betaboy@corecodec.com with your PayPal transcaction # and email you registered with and i'll look into it.

[Eeknay]

With the new CoreAVC 1.1 on BBC test material/Planet Earth;

Only get smooth playback with No Deblocking and Double Framerate. Of course, without the deblocking some scenes look worse than they should. Any other options don't give me full framerate.

CPU is Athlon X2 4200+

I'm sure once the BBC and other channels start using sane bitrates, playback will be smoother.

[ukp]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

Not for me. Its slightly jerky still. This is using dvbviewer, so it might be that thats the problem I dunno.

[Oxygen]

That it indeed does, but the it doesn't benefit from it that much unless it is able to do the deinterlacing in ATI hardware. I have no idea how MBAFF works in reality so I can only guess.

Waiting for DXVA support for CoreAVC then :)

Reading MBAFF interlacing and deinterlacing MBAFF interlaced files are two different things.

ATI does have one of the best deinterlace algo using their hardware, so i very much think cyberlink got a hand on the gpu avivo tools for that :)

[Oxygen]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?
On my P4 3.2C, as i said earlier, it provides a smooth playback for a 10Mbits stream (FTV HD), but i have to deactivate the deblocking.

Watch out too for the crc on the stream: FTV HD has a very poor crc (2/3) while TF1 HD has a higher crc (1/2)

[Morte66]

How do we upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1? There only seems to be an option to buy 1.1 from scratch.

{edit: scratch that, the update download email arrived a few minutes after I posted it}

[Oxygen]

Bah, uniquely locks into my hardware, so if I upgrade my pc I am screwed even when I have a legit license? Not even microsoft is like this, thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the "technological preview" version then.

CoreAVC will generate a hardware hash, which is designed to be very tolerant of hardware changes, but unlikely to work on other machines. An automated system will be set up to allow you to "clear" your account a limited number of times (for moving from one machine to another, or for severe hardware changes). If additional changes need to be authorized, you can simply drop us an email, and one of us will respond within 24 hours.

What didn't you get ?

[turntoyou]

Not for me. Its slightly jerky still. This is using dvbviewer, so it might be that thats the problem I dunno.

Which Version are you using? There is also dvbviewer ge available which is smaller with less functionality. It is available in the member download section.

turntoyou

[cookeal]

Dont mean to hassle - but the football kicks off in a few hours....

Any luck with my paypal ref etc... ;-)

Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Any of you guys got the necessary equipment capture any of these streams?

Aparently BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, Channel 4 and Five are all taking part in some form or another....


Cheers

[Eeknay]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.

BBC HD is showing the HD Preview on loop until the football starts. ITV HD is showing some overhead shots of London at the moment, again until the football starts. C4 + five have only got a splash screen with their starting dates (next few days).

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.Sounds cool ;)

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.I knew I never should moved away from London.... Bummer!

[Oxygen]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.

BBC HD is showing the HD Preview on loop until the football starts. ITV HD is showing some overhead shots of London at the moment, again until the football starts. C4 + five have only got a splash screen with their starting dates (next few days).

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.

Actually, you may even capture the streams with your regular software if it allows you to capture PS/TS (it's my case with a DTV 1000T from leadtek).
I added the exact freq of the DVB channel, and it detects the correct streams as TSReader.

But, of course, with this solution i can't watch live :)

[Eeknay]

Yeah, true, it depends on the software though. I can cap it with WebScheduler with custom details if I want, but the resultant file can't be edited with audio (TSReader can).