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Roco
4th April 2006, 19:54
I have to wait for an alternative credit-card payment service too. I had more than one bad experiences from paypal in the past, so I am negatively biased to the point that I have them in my black list and will never use their service again. I hope an alternative will be available soon.
popper
4th April 2006, 19:59
Hey, you must do something with your website "http://coreavc.corecodec.org/"! It is too much LIGHT!!! It doesn't give the confidence that people want to take!!! If you want to sell more give it a better style!!!:sly:
Yes, it might be a good and fast decoder and yes you did a very good advertisment in the video forums, but if you want to have NEW customers who doesn't look the forums? What then???? A light website isn't always the best choice!!! Give it something! (Like: DivX, on2)!!!
id think they have to take one step at a time, after all
you seem to be forgetting that CORE doesnt just run on x86, there are many other platforms they could market too, i'd assume that if a webbrowser plug-in exists and they choose to make a seperate wiz-bang site/front page then we as their inital testers will point the less informed readers there.
its a shame doom9 has that registerd for 5 days rule before posting as i suspect there are many people wanting to comment on this thread, could that change some time soon DOOM9?.
Selur
4th April 2006, 20:06
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=809261#post809261
=> seems like this only happens with the "BRAVIA Commercial: Extended version" from http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html all other files play fine. (used Quicktime Pro 7 to save the file to hdd)
Cu Selur
BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 20:18
Hey, you must do something with your website "http://coreavc.corecodec.org/"! It is too much LIGHT!!! It doesn't give the confidence that people want to take!!! If you want to sell more give it a better style!!!:sly:
Yes, it might be a good and fast decoder and yes you did a very good advertisment in the video forums, but if you want to have NEW customers who doesn't look the forums? What then???? A light website isn't always the best choice!!! Give it something! (Like: DivX, on2)!!!
I did a small update about an hour ago... its a little more graphic. Our CMS was pushed out for a few more days so what you see now is a 'temp' site. Thanx for the feedback though.
BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 20:30
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=809261#post809261
=> seems like this only happens with the "BRAVIA Commercial: Extended version" from http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html all other files play fine. (used Quicktime Pro 7 to save the file to hdd)
Cu Selur
I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?
Ice =A=
4th April 2006, 20:30
About that website: I really like it that way, it's refreshingly concise and clear.
I'm really fed up with those flamboyant sites that try to be stylish but only succede in making navigating much more complicated!!!
BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 20:32
id think they have to take one step at a time, after all
you seem to be forgetting that CORE doesnt just run on x86, there are many other platforms they could market too, i'd assume that if a webbrowser plug-in exists and they choose to make a seperate wiz-bang site/front page then we as their inital testers will point the less informed readers there.
You mean like this?
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/index.htm
btw... thats an older CoreAVC... and a build of CorePlayerX from over 2 months ago... but you see where we are going.
I am not saying that they must make it more complicated! The site funcionality is very good! I am saying that they must make it more beautiful!!!:)
We are speaking about a VIDEO DECODER here (people want to see something with style)!!! They have to use nicer colors and buttons!:D You can't just use 3-4 very basic colors :eek: for a website that sell a VIDEO DECODER!!!!! It is so....... Linux!!!:rolleyes:
Anyway, I hope to see something cool in it!!!:cool:
Eretria-chan
4th April 2006, 21:17
I can't view the site in Firefox. What plugin or whatever are you using there?
EDIT:
Selur: I tested your file by browsing to it, downloading via Save As, renaming the extension to mp4 and played it (by building a graph with graph builder). I built the graph with haali / coreavc / ffdshow audio and haali renderer. It plays just fine.
Also noticed:
The installer did not register the CoreAVC Decoder filter (using Pro); had to manually register it.
I did not encounter the aforementioned seeking issue (although I seeked only within graphedit).
Also regarding coreavc, it reduced the cpu % from about 70% to 50%. I got 70% when I did not use coreavc. I don't know WHAT I used, though, but I guess it was nero, because that is the only avc decoder installed and active. I tried this file BEFORE I registered the coreavc decoder.
I know this computer is utterly POC - the resolution was only 700 x 394.
EDIT2:
Now trying in WMP. I notice a small bug in seeking. It seems to either grab some frame before or simply stall a little before resuming playback the specified position. Cpu utilization does not peak to 100%, but stays normal, so I doubt it is the processor that is having trouble.
This laptop has an Amd Turion 64 Mobile ML-28 @ 800Mhz and 512 mb ram. As stated, I use Haali's Media Splitter included in the installation of CoreAVC. But I did notice that it didn't successfully install; some files might still be in use, so I shall try to investigate that, too, by reinstalling it tomorrow after having rebooted the computer.
I have the pro version.
CruNcher
4th April 2006, 22:31
@ CEC ehh especialy because it is a video decoder (something people never see work except they set something in the config dialog) it doesn't need to be flashy and so the website doesn't need to be if you want to market a Player thats a different thing but for a Video Codec it doesn't have to be and "less is more" here.
I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?
Works here fine too no crash with Raw decoding and manipulateing Picture Properties
@ Eretria-chan
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/tcpmpAx.cab <- download extract and install but close firefox before then go to the webpage again :)
Selur
4th April 2006, 22:35
I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?
Deinstalled ffdshow, Haali, CoreAVC, installed ffdshow from http://www.free-codecs.com/FFDShow_download.htm, reinstalled CoreAVC, now it works,.. (will report if I can recreate the problem somehow)
Cu Selur
BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 22:44
Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.
DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/
This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.
tomos
4th April 2006, 23:11
Dan, is this spam blacklist still ongoing? could you get carlos to mail me the link again?
thanks :)
Disabled
4th April 2006, 23:34
If it could be integrated into XBMC I would instantly buy it - nah dang it, I'll buy it.
Ok got the professional version now.
But I'm still interested in the question about Mplayer/XBMC.
popper
4th April 2006, 23:57
You mean like this?
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/index.htm
btw... thats an older CoreAVC... and a build of CorePlayerX from over 2 months ago... but you see where we are going.
yea, thats the one i was thinking of, BTW anyone thinking
its not working after going to the above URL?.
its working for me with 'Advanced Browser'
http://www.advancedbrowser.com/ and IE.
try downloading the 'ice age 2' (Just Love that squirrel) 8)
from the wayback page4
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=761387#post761387
and load that local file into the browser player, works a treat here, although im not sure if its the browser plug-in or the Version 0.0.0.4 Alpha (20060113) DS filter.
Kostarum Rex Persia
5th April 2006, 00:04
I am sorry for asking this, but from where I can download official version of CoreAVC decoder?
Thank you.
BetaBoy
5th April 2006, 00:08
I'll update the first post in this thread... its @ http://www.coreavc.com
ChronoCross
5th April 2006, 00:20
I am sorry for asking this, but from where I can download official version of CoreAVC decoder?
Thank you.
and before you ask no it's not free, they will not be making it free, and the preview time-limted version will not be out for another month.
popper
5th April 2006, 00:20
Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.
DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/
This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.
dan , both of these url instantly crash both avanced browser
(see other post) and IE 6.0.2900.2180 with XP and SP2 installed, luckly, ABrowser remembers all the open urls
and reloaded all my pages (60+) and i just double clicked the bad url before it fully loaded so not crashing it.
tomos
5th April 2006, 07:19
odd, the last beta was ok, but the one i;ve been mailed goes back to the probs of beta 2 for me. the audio seems to be playing about 250ms too early. i have to correct this in mpc. tried this with several avi i've done myself and they're all the same. exact same audio delay needed in each one.
anyone else had the same problem?
HookedOnTV
5th April 2006, 14:58
Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.
DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/
This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.
Javascript errors.
BetaBoy
5th April 2006, 16:07
yeah... they are basic demos... we have more complex and simplistic examples in the works.
Sirber
5th April 2006, 16:14
Are you calling a website test a "codec"?
SeeMoreDigital
5th April 2006, 16:42
yeah... they are basic demos... we have more complex and simplistic examples in the works.This is great fun....
Me thinks you need to start a new thread about it :D
ChronoCross
5th April 2006, 16:51
This looks very similar to the way plone looks. With the exception of the navbar being on the right instead of left.
Abnormal1
5th April 2006, 19:05
I just tried to use one of the early releases of the ds filter and sadly it will not work with mplayer on XBMC. XBMC tries to use the codec but errors.
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsAlloc
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsGetValue
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsSetValue
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsFree
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING kernel32.dll fake function DisableThreadLibraryCalls called
05-04-2006 18:57:53 ERROR cmplayer::openfile() smb://##.#.#.#/videos/test.mp4 failed
05-04-2006 18:57:54 ERROR Playlist Player: skipping unplayable item: 0, path [smb://##.#.#.#/videos/test.mp4]
BetaBoy
5th April 2006, 20:00
Are you calling a website test a "codec"?
No, we have developed a new panorama codec called 'COSP'. The website is just a demo to show it off.
tomos
5th April 2006, 20:07
hi Dan, any guesstimates for updates to the codec? logged my probs on your site bug reports section (audio sync probs)
Disabled
5th April 2006, 20:33
@Abnormal1 sad to hear it does not work out of the box. But I still have hope that the actual filter does work with it or may work in the future. Unfortunately I don't have a way to test this right now.
I Still would like to have an official statement here...
I did a quick and unfair speed comparison between VLC and CoreAAC.
252secs with AAC audio at 1Mbit/s (the video, not the audio) with every option Nero had to offer.
I just looked how many cpu-time was wasted by the two.
VLC used 1:48 min
MPC + CoreAAC + CoreAVC + Haali used 1:23 min
That results in a speed boost of 30% (or VLC is 25% slower, how you like it)
Quite impressive I think.
Does Nero ShowTime use its own filter? Just benched it and it took also 1:48 min to decode. So the clear winner is CoreAVC.
*edit*
DAMN! (Sorry) I'm able to watch this nice 720p Quicktime trailer. I first tried to play it in its .mov container, that sucked badly, but remuxed to .mkv it played flawlessly: 0 dropped frames, duration: 2:21 CPU-Time: 1:26 => average CPU load: 61% and that with an Athlon XP 2200+ 768MB Ram and sucky old GF2 TI 64MB
Abnormal1
5th April 2006, 21:54
Aparently mplayer's ability to use Directshow filters is limited so unless mplayer or CoreAVC are altered to work together it will never work.
Eretria-chan
5th April 2006, 22:01
If it works fine in other dshow apps, then it is mplayer's fault, yes? Then something should be done to mplayer.
Yes, MPlayer has its own DShow interface implementation which is partly based on Wine code. That enables the DShow filters to work on other x86 platforms like Linux, *BSD and probably OS X x86, and not only Windows. Since the interface is not complete and implements only specific parts of the full Win32 API, new binary-only filters usually need some coding work in the MPlayer's side. However, CoreAVC developers are probably more willing to work with the community than the codec manufacturers generally, so getting the filter to work should not be too difficult given some time and effort.
ravemax
5th April 2006, 22:53
mplayer - coreavc: Since both mplayer and VLC are GPL, a easy way would be to write a stub, which loads CoreAVC using "dlopen". So at the end BetaBoy & Co only would have to release the source of the stub.
That would be the way to do it, but getting that stub approved to the official MPlayer and VLC code might prove more difficult unless it is only an extension to an existing mechanism, like the DShow loader.
welew
6th April 2006, 05:21
A small bug of CoreAVC (0.0.0.4 beta version):
1, when CoreAVCDecoder.ax put and registered in the non-english directory, it can not be called by filter-based player (MPC, Graphedit, ...)
2, registry entry would be modified to fix the problem, and i write a simple program to do it.
3, do not know CoreAVC commercial version already fixed it.
BetaBoy
6th April 2006, 13:44
welew while I apprecite that report... 0.4 was a test codec. Please only report 1.xx bug reports. You can do so on our bug tracker here:
http://corecodec.org/tracker/?atid=313&group_id=64&func=browse
breez
6th April 2006, 19:10
Sorry if this is a stupid question or one already answered, but what about the TCPMP AVC plugin? Is the "1.0" version of it already available and is it a separate purchase from the DS filter?
BetaBoy
6th April 2006, 19:24
CoreAVC will be a included with the FULL version of CorePlayer v1.0. We are pushing the launch to be in mid-may... atm we will launch with versions for Palm, CE, Symbian, and Linux.
Also... BetaPlayer 1.0 will likely be out sooner... We will also offer a 'codec bundle' for all the pay codecs for it as well.
Gnerma
6th April 2006, 19:30
So is the plan for a "FFDSHOW like" all in one DirectShow decoding package? Or at least ASP, AVC, AAC, Vorbis and a few other formats?
lexor
6th April 2006, 20:35
CoreAVC will be a included with the FULL version of CorePlayer v1.0. We are pushing the launch to be in mid-may... atm we will launch with versions for Palm, CE, Symbian, and Linux.
no windows? :confused:
BetaBoy
7th April 2006, 03:50
no windows? :confused:
Our desktop strategy is very complex... not sure this is the right thread to be talking about it.
But basically by Xmas will will have alot to show you all. Alot has to do with our web integration, online store, metadata managment at the client(s)/server level and what we are internally calling 'CoreTunes'... which syncs the multiple DB's with all your CorePlayers on each device (PDA, Cell, Desktop, etc).
Foreigner999
7th April 2006, 05:21
@betaboy
Do you know if people who bought the CoreAVC DSfilter will get any kind of upgrade path for the official TCPMP release? Any discounts or will we have to plunk down another $XX to get that as well?:D
tomos
7th April 2006, 11:56
@betaboy, any info on this audio delay bug? it's odd that it was fixed in the beta i received but its back in the final release?
BetaBoy
7th April 2006, 12:41
@betaboy, any info on this audio delay bug? it's odd that it was fixed in the beta i received but its back in the final release?
tomos.... we have not been able to duplicate this at all. ;-(
Sirber
7th April 2006, 12:44
which syncs the multiple DB's with all your CorePlayers on each device (PDA, Cell, Desktop, etc).iPod too? :D
tomos
7th April 2006, 13:09
tomos.... we have not been able to duplicate this at all. ;-(
weird, someone i've spoken to on another forum has the same prob. can i send you a small section of an avi for you to test with?
Sirber
7th April 2006, 13:39
audio delay is related to the use of HE (and PS).
DigitalDeviant
7th April 2006, 14:03
iPod too? :D
Well, I guess since you can make your iPod run Linux (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml) it could work.
Somehow, I don't think this is what you meant.
tomos
7th April 2006, 14:08
sorry, i have no idea what HE/PS is :confused:
Sirber
7th April 2006, 14:25
sorry, i have no idea what HE/PS is :confused:
:search:
http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/aacPlus
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