CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[SeeMoreDigital]

BTW... SMP3 is heading out now guys... check your emails... this fixes the reported AVI timing issues.What more can I say other than many thanks :D


Cheers for now

[blubberbirne]

Thanks for the mail Dan,
I ran a little speed test on my 2 desktop and 3 laptop 1core machines...

Here it is if anyone is interested:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1851/coreavc6br.gif

PM = Pentium mobile
CM = Celeron mobile

All exept the old one can play HD Superman trailer, and thats pretty cool. ;)

Pro7 HD Broadcast 25FPS ;)

[sasam]

Pro7 HD Broadcast 25FPS ;)
I know it should be 25fps but 27.45*100/103.78=26.45???
Doesn't matter anyways because all other values are from tcpmp...

And tcpmp gave me for PM 1.7Ghz 25.83 / 99.09%... so it thinks that the fps is 26.45 or something?:confused:

[SeeMoreDigital]

Using the Apple "Imax Trailer" as the source.

Here are the results for the original .MOV file: -TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 101.21%
Video Frames 1417
Audio Samples 2802330
Amount of Data 68152 KB

Bench. Time 0:58.396
Bench. Frame Rate 24.26
Bench. Sample Rate 47988
Bench. Data Rate 9.5 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:59.100
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 44100
Original Data Rate 9.4 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\imax-deep_sea_h1080p.mov
Size 69788593
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 44100Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

And here are the resuts after re-muxing the streams to the .MP4 container using YAMB 1.5: -TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 102.58%
Video Frames 1417
Audio Samples 2871721
Amount of Data 68118 KB

Bench. Time 0:57.616
Bench. Frame Rate 24.59
Bench. Sample Rate 49842
Bench. Data Rate 9.6 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:59.100
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 9.4 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\Bench Tests\imax-deep_sea_h1080p_YAMB re-mux.mp4
Size 69753688
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

Hope that helps.... "1 core" PC's rock..... (slowly) :)


Cheers

[tomos]

Picard fixed the audio timing issue in SMP2 which I did not test it on.

BTW... SMP3 is heading out now guys... check your emails... this fixes the reported AVI timing issues.

just got home and tried it - works sweet :D. no seeking probs and its all in sync too.

just waiting for the official launch now :)

[PicardGK]

Audio output Wave Output 44100Hz 16Bits 2Ch.
This is what causing trouble. But if you use the smp2 or smp3 test versions with all the plg files overwritten, it should detect the apple mov file as 48Khz correctly.

[SeeMoreDigital]

This is what causing trouble. But if you use the smp2 or smp3 test versions with all the plg files overwritten, it should detect the apple mov file as 48Khz correctly.Thanks for the heads-up... I did not notice that....

Here are the results for the original .MOV file: - TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 102.01%
Video Frames 1391
Audio Samples 2750093
Amount of Data 68152 KB

Bench. Time 0:56.873
Bench. Frame Rate 24.46
Bench. Sample Rate 48354
Bench. Data Rate 9.8 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:58.016
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 9.6 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\Bench Tests\imax-deep_sea_h1080p.mov
Size 69788593
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

Cheers

[DeathTheSheep]

Is the PocketPC version of CoreAVC planned to be released after this desktop version? Or will it be launched when everything is ready together (Desktop, PPC, etc)? Thanks!

[BetaBoy]

CoreAVC for mobile devices IE; CorePlayer/BetaPlayer will only be available when www.CorePlayer.com is launched on May 15th.

[popper]

CoreAVC for mobile devices IE; CorePlayer/BetaPlayer will only be available when www.CorePlayer.com is launched on May 15th.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=804032#post804032

what about the real ppc cpu and linux please

[BetaBoy]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=804032#post804032

what about the real ppc cpu and linux please

We are already working on the framework on our multiple Linux versions.... GTK, Freescale, QT, QTopia, Juce.

However... for an older PPC its tbd as devel progresses.

[tomos]

any further betas to test Dan, or are you all set with SMP/interlaced support etc?

fast running out of numbers to put in for the launch date 'march xx' :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi BetaBoy,

When playing MPEG-4 AVC video streams, containing anamorphic signalling, muxed within the MP4 container, both Media Player Classic and WMP10 is detecting the signalling perfectly now.... many thanks!

However, when the same video stream is muxed into the AVI container, the signalling does not appear to work....

Can other testers confirm (if they have not done already)?


Cheers

[tomos]

hmmm, i have a clip i made from a dvd thats 4:3 and refuses to change the AR to 16:9 in MpC. tried the same problem clips on 2 pcs and both are the same

i didnt choose any AR so presume its on 4:3 as default

will have a look around on exactly 'how' to do this and report back later on :)

[thuan]

IIRC, AVI container doesn't support anamorphic signalling in container (mp4 and mkv does), you have to set the anamorphic value in the bitstream which is not recommended. AVI die die die...

[tomos]

i dont mind moving on from avi, cant at the mo due to most software being set for vfw - at least the ones i use.

might give mkv a go and see how it handles

[SeeMoreDigital]

IIRC, AVI container doesn't support anamorphic signalling in container (mp4 and mkv does), you have to set the anamorphic value in the bitstream which is not recommended.The anamorphic signalling "is" embedded within the raw h.264 video stream.... Which "is" recommended.

[BetaBoy]

Hi BetaBoy,

When playing MPEG-4 AVC video streams, containing anamorphic signalling, muxed within the MP4 container, both Media Player Classic and WMP10 is detecting the signalling perfectly now.... many thanks!

However, when the same video stream is muxed into the AVI container, the signalling does not appear to work....

Can other testers confirm (if they have not done already)?


Cheers

Thx SMD... we'll look into it.

[BetaBoy]

any further betas to test Dan, or are you all set with SMP/interlaced support etc?

fast running out of numbers to put in for the launch date 'march xx' :)

There will be one more test after the weekend... not sure if we will expand this to all testers but this is the BIG one. in that its for our splitter, error handling, and DS deinterlace support.

We are on track to release it this coming Friday March 31st.

[tomos]

great. so all looks good :)

any news on the hardware decoding?

[BetaBoy]

tomos... I cannot comment on GPU support at this time.

[Valeron]

@betaboy:
I would like to join the SMP test?
Am I late?
Or I still have a chance?:thanks:

[Selur]

@Valeron: since they plan to release on friday, you ar probably late ;)

[billou2000]

Sorry a bit late on this one:
The proc is a Dual Xeon 3.2 Ghz
Everything rendered with the NULL renderer as my video card slows down decoding:)

-clip1 D1 25fps @ 2mbps (HighProfile)
---------------------------
coreAVC beta1 (single threaded)
bench: 563.37% ( 11.2 Mbps)
playback: 11-19 % CPU (avg 13%) / 25 fps

coreAVC beta1 (multi threaded)
bench: 1076.42% (21.5 Mbps)
playback: 9-19% CPU (avg 13%) / 25 fps

coreAVC beta3 (multi threaded)
bench 1081.21% (21.6 Mbps)
playback: 9-15% CPU (avg 12%) / 25fps

Nero
playback: 16-22 % CPU (avg 19%) / 25 fps


-Clip2 720p 50fps @ 4mbps (HP)
-----------------------------
coreAVC beta1 (single threaded)
bench 132.27 % (5.2 Mbps)
playback:50% avg, 50 fps

coreAVC beta1 (multithreaded)
bench: 249.88% (10 Mbps)
playback: 39% avg, 50 fps

coreAVC beta3 (multithreaded)
bench: 250.00% (10 MBps)
playback: 38% avg, 50 fps

Nero
playback: 50%, 20 fps
-------------
Note that as it is a 2 CPU machine, so 50% means one CPU is fully used when an app isn't multithreaded

[BetaBoy]

Thanx to everyone for the kind words, encouragement, suggestions and hard testing everyone has done. Without you we are nothing...

So with that... I am Officially announcing that the CoreAVC Standard and Professional Edition Decoders will be available this Friday March 31st, 2006 @ www.coreavc.com

We hope all our hard work is worthy of everyones expectations...... now lets move on and finish our CoreAVC encoder ;-)

[crypto]

@BetaBoy
That's great news and congrats for keeping the tight schedule. CoreAVC and the team behind are the best.

[Gnerma]

Great news BetaBoy. Are you going to reveal the pricing and supported features of each version beforehand or will we learn that on the 31st?

[ChronoReverse]

Just as well I don't know what will happen with hardware decoding since my 6800 exploded. This decoder looks good I'll be checking out the site on the 31st.

[niknik]

Don't we deserve a "sneak preview" on the prices and features?

(but yeah, I guess anything posted here would quickly get out into the "rest" of the internet - so I understand if you want to keep that till friday. :)

[foxyshadis]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=788027#post788027
This isn't enough of a peek?

[BetaBoy]

The only difference is that:
- Professional only has PAFF interlaced and CPU support was bumped up to 4 'cores' from 2.
- GPU support is tba later in Pro and Enterprise Editions

On our todo list atm:
- Move MBAFF interlaced to the pro editon
- Add FGT to all editions
- Add true interlaced output with soft telecine in Enterprise Edition (probally Pro too)
- Add 3:2 pull down support in Enterprise Edition

I will add a TODO link @CoreAVC.com so everyone knows what on the current devel list.

[BetaBoy]

Don't we deserve a "sneak preview" on the prices and features?

(but yeah, I guess anything posted here would quickly get out into the "rest" of the internet - so I understand if you want to keep that till friday. :)

I quoted what discounted pricing was earlier in this thread...
Standard: $7.45
Professional: $14.95
Enterprise: tbd

[CEC]

Good prices!!!!!:D

[niknik]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=788027#post788027
This isn't enough of a peek?

Prices! We needed to know the prices! :)

.. and here they are! A very nice surprise indeed! :)
Professional, here we go.

[Selur]

Will it be possible to kind of 'upgrade' from e.g. Professional to Enterprise later?
(atm professional seems to be okay for me, but who know what the future brings)

Cu Selur

[BetaBoy]

Selur, yes. By the time we roll our our Enterprise edition in a few weeks. We will have our 'Core Account' system up and going. In the meantime for those that have purchased standard and want Pro we will offer an upgrade as well.

[breez]

Great news about the prices. I'll be sure to get a copy of the standard edition (for now, let's see if they start H.264 broadcasts here somewhere in five years ;) for which interlaced support could be needed).

[niknik]

I'd say, BAN all interlace stuff... :)
along with PAN & SCAN...
and then , let starts getting som real 50/60Hz progressive video...
Those 24fps pans give me the creeps... yck.

Dan, any chance we can "pre-order" the codec? Friday is still so far away... :)

[TEB]

Good to hear that the release is imminent, but a question:
Have any idea when it will support mpeg2 and mpeg4ASP?

[videomixer9]

Cracks for CoreAVC - coming this Friday 31st March :D :D :D :D :D :D

oh well considering what some ppl want for really crappy software these prices are decent considering how it can save you upgrading to super expensive CPUs ...

[Isochroma]

Oh, I was sure the cost would be about $30 for basic, $50 for Pro, and $75-100 for Enterprise. Absolutely sure.

[3ngel]

Quote. Fantastic price for the Standard Edition!

[ChronoCross]

this is for a decoder? I'm a little dissapointed....considering divx sells their entire codec suite for 19.99 lol. perhaps I'l buy it in a few months when the price drops(hopefully)

[BetaBoy]

ChronoCross dont be disappointed... wait till you hear about our plans for our decoder/encoder bundle and pricing.

[Sirber]

Will the decoder with in mPlayer by then? I'm no fan of DShow player anymore :)

[tomos]

ChronoCross dont be disappointed... wait till you hear about our plans for our decoder/encoder bundle and pricing.

any hints about the encoder? comparisons with other encoders? especially the x264 one :)

[videomixer9]

... as long as mplayer stops playback if you move around the videowindow and lacks styled softsub support it may please rot in hell :p

As for the encoder I still wonder why anybody buys such things if not integrated as hardware chip, same for decoders though ... lol? Though even stuff like dvd players should be free, after all they wanna sell me the videos so I have to be able to view them ... :o

[Sirber]

... as long as mplayer stops playback if you move around the videowindow and lacks styled softsub support it may please rot in hell :pNo problem with that :)
The solution is in your config file :p

[BetaBoy]

Not sure if I have commented on this.... but we will be bundling the Windows/Linux versions in a future release. Mplayer? Well I dont wanna commnet atm, but more to let you know we are working on it.

tomos.... hehe... i'm not gonna fall for that ;-) I guess I can say it like XviD did, in that... it will be ready when its ready. Just know we are working on it and if you like the decoder then you already know whats coming.

[tomos]

tomos.... hehe... i'm not gonna fall for that ;-) I guess I can say it like XviD did, in that... it will be ready when its ready. Just know we are working on it and if you like the decoder then you already know whats coming.

if the encoder gives anywhere near the encoding speed increase over other progs that the decoder gives then i'll be a happy bunny :D