CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[Gnerma]

I'm planning on dual booting XP & Vista on my primary system for the foreseeable future. Will I be allowed to use CoreAVC on both OS'?

[BlackSun]

No, the license is bound to the OS. We can reset your activation if you wish to transfer it to Vista, but not to use it on both OS'.

[BetaBoy]

No, the license is bound to the OS. We can reset your activation if you wish to transfer it to Vista, but not to use it on both OS'.

Might I also add that we do this as a courtesy to our 1.xx customers and we eat the cost do so. This free upgrade will not be 'forever' but only for the first few weeks that Vista is released for the early adopters.

[toytown]

This free upgrade will not be 'forever' but only for the first few weeks that Vista is released for the early adopters.

So if i decide to upgrade to vista later on in the year, my version of coreavc bites the dust? Lol customer service at its finest.

[Inventive Software]

Might I also add that we do this as a courtesy to our 1.xx customers and we eat the cost do so. This free upgrade will not be 'forever' but only for the first few weeks that Vista is released for the early adopters.

This to accomodate for people with the inevitable teething problems with Vista? ;)

[Disabled]

Might I also add that we do this as a courtesy to our 1.xx customers and we eat the cost do so. This free upgrade will not be 'forever' but only for the first few weeks that Vista is released for the early adopters.

Youre kidding are you? Are you saying I'm not able to switch operating systems (for free) in the forseeable future anymore? If so, what will it cost to change the OS in the future and If I pay to do so, will I still be allowed to use it on the old system?

[BetaBoy]

This to accomodate for people with the inevitable teething problems with Vista? ;)
A little OT... But those that are considering a Vista upgrade might want to read this article first....

"A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

[LeMoi]

I didn't know it was your role to dissuade people to install Vista :D

[Inventive Software]

That job falls to this thread! :D

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=116701

[Foreigner999]

Wait, I thought the Core Account's reset license feature was meant to:
A) reset for a license to move to another install. (you strongly hinted if not outright implied this)
B) To be flexible to allow people who are upgrading hardware to move their (only) installation to a new reinstallation.
C) To support people who are moving thier single license to another machine (sold the old one, moved on to a laptop, robbed or simply no longer in possesion of the old Windows License key.

Can we have a spelling out (in fine print) of what exactly the reset feature is supposed to do _NOW_ in this new revision of CC policy.:thanks:

[Rectal Prolapse]

People who dual-boot cannot use CoreAVC on both installs. That's how I read it, even if they are both XP. Right? Hmmm I think I asked this before and someone answered. Too bad I can't remember when that was posted.

[Chainmax]

People, there's a dedicated thread for CoreAVC-related rantings in this very subforum. Take your business there.

[Foreigner999]

People, there's a dedicated thread for CoreAVC-related rantings in this very subforum. Take your business there.

Woops true. How do I move my last post to the other thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=118775&page=11)?

Anyone know if CoreAVC 1.2.5 will add GPU support?

[Gnerma]

Can we have a spelling out (in fine print) of what exactly the reset feature is supposed to do _NOW_ in this new revision of CC policy.Foreigner999's understanding of the policy was similar to mine. I'd like to second the request quoted above.


A little OT... But those that are considering a Vista upgrade might want to read this article first....

"A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
Say what you will about the DRM in Windows Vista but the activation scheme is flexible enough to allow reinstalls, and significant hardware changes. You're making it sound like changing to another supported operating system, or reinstalling your operating system is not allowed. Please clarify.

For anybody suggesting it, I am not ranting. I am a coreavc license holder wanting to understand what I can and cannot do.

[Foreigner999]

@betaboy
Will we get a clarification about the activation reset issue before Vista/CoreAVC is (hopefully) released?:confused:

[Hans Ohlo]

asked another way: what will the vista version of coreavc add to justify the enforcement of a new license in six months?

why shouldn't it be possible to transfer my license in 6 months over to vista?

right now vista is not usable for me as media center os, just because the drivers for many hardware parts are not up to it right now.

another question arises, if i want to test if coreavc runs without problems on my media rig under vista why should i have to transfer it everytime i want to test it?

scewed up drm i call this customer spoof!

i want answers to these questions! i PAYED for the license at a time where it wasn't dongled to a specific OS! why can you just change the eula to whatever terms you want?

[HeadBangeR77]

i PAYED for the license at a time where it wasn't dongled to a specific OS! why can you just change the eula to whatever terms you want?
Opinion from an outsider: EULA is a part of a contract you've made while buying the product, hence a consumer should be informed of any changes. Secondly, in case of important changes you should have the right to finish the contract, but it's all theory and I'm not sure if it's so easily applied to products like the discussed one (though, it should be).*

* Yes, I'm a lawyer, but I don't deal with consumers' protection. I just named general rules, that should apply to any kind of contract, at least in the european meaning (excluding anglo-saxon case-law system).

[Jay Bee]

Did you not notice that with 1.0 there is no EULA? In our honest opinion (and our counsels) EULA's are useless.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=838162#post838162

[Hans Ohlo]

Might I also add that we do this as a courtesy to our 1.xx customers and we eat the cost do so. This free upgrade will not be 'forever' but only for the first few weeks that Vista is released for the early adopters.
upgrade to what?
upgrade to the very same version? wow why did noone else got this brilliant idea!

[Disabled]

Opinion from an outsider: EULA is a part of a contract you've made while buying the product, hence a consumer should be informed of any changes. Secondly, in case of important changes you should have the right to finish the contract, but it's all theory and I'm not sure if it's so easily applied to products like the discussed one (though, it should be).*

* Yes, I'm a lawyer, but I don't deal with consumers' protection. I just named general rules, that should apply to any kind of contract, at least in the european meaning (excluding anglo-saxon case-law system).

I think the problem is a little more complex here, as there was no defined contract I paid for. I paid for a thing called CoreAVC Pro with GPU, quad core support, no activation crap, etc and features about to change. Youre the lawyer, tell me what I have to accept them to change and what can I expect them to add before droping my free updates?

[HeadBangeR77]

I think the problem is a little more complex here, as there was no defined contract I paid for.
When you buy a product such as this one, you make a "sales contract" (know, sounds stupid instead of "purchase", but it's simply named like that in Poland, UK, USA and probably many other countries around the world, however not in Germany). Some things don't change, so in many aspects it's similar to buying a single egg from a folk on a marketplace. :D At least the product, its main features, and the price should be specified. It's the second thing you're all missing here (I haven't read through this thread and I'm not gonna do this), so it seems to me at least.

I paid for a thing called CoreAVC Pro with GPU, quad core support, no activation crap, etc and features about to change.
Where is the above stated? Was it a part of some EULA or just marketing crap? Did they state that on their webpage as product's features (this would suffice)? EULA is an important thing, because it is a part of general terms and condititions of a trade. Large companies do not negotatie with single folks like us, just publish general terms. However, they should be specified, easy to check, and shouldn't change too much without notice. If someone says an EULA is not needed, then how would you know what you can and what you can't do with software? Becasue someone has written something e.g. here on this forum? Is he a legal representative of the company?

Youre the lawyer, tell me what I have to accept them to change and what can I expect them to add before droping my free updates?
I think you should all contact some consumers' protection org - I'm not involved in this thread, so I can't tell you out of my head, what you have to accept, and what you don't (and when you could terminate such a contract and if you would get anything back).

Btw. I'm into telecommunications ;)

good luck!

[Disabled]

...

The features I mentioned were on their site and in the readme from the software package I got from them. The problem is, some of them were features not yet implemented and had the tag "to be included" together with "features about to change". The real problem I see is they force crap on us (activation, trashing the licence with new OS) if we want to get the promised features.

As stated above, there was no EULA for Version 1.0 and they don't give a shit about one. And yes, Betaboy is a representative of CoreCodec.

[Seb.26]

[edit] Auto-Moderate ... not here to plant (more) bad-ideas ...

But BetaBoy, your reaction is really "funny" ... IMO ... particularly about "discussion" you want to do ... now ... lol

[BetaBoy]

Moderators, please throttle this to the 'rants thread'... I welcome the discussion there, not in this thread.

[BetaBoy]

Here is the current changelog for the next release of CoreAVC. Note we are still doing QA on a few things so we might get the chance to add/change before the release:

CoreAVC H.264 Video Codec - Version 1.2.5.0
- Add: YUV Levels fix can now be enabled always, never, and for VMR9 only
- Add: An option to treat frames as interlaced when any AVC interlace coding options are used (fixes a problem with some broadcast streams that are not deinterlaced properly)
- Add: An option to always crop 1088 video to 1080 lines (enabled by default)
- Add: Recovery point SEIs are now properly handled when IDR frames are not available
- Add: Installer: Official support for Vista
- Add: Installer: Support for CoreNumber XP/Vista re-installs without having to re-register the codec
- Fix: Deblocking with extreme settings fixed
- Fix: VMR deinterlacing (interlaced YV12 output does not work properly with VMR9, we now use YUY2 in that case)
- Fix: Various (non-public) stream bugs reported by our OEM customers
- OEM: Added the new options to IPropertyBag
- OEM: Documentation on the related CorePlayer Colorspace Conversion
- OEM: Documentation for custom IPropertyBag interface
- OEM: Documentation for SDK toolkit and Demo toolkit

Haali Media Splitter - Version 1.7.60.20 (20070131)
- Add: Complete 3gp subtitles support when used with Gabest's VSFilter/Media Player Classic
- Add: A shell property page for media files
- Add: A better video shrinking method to the Video Renderer
- Add: A separate option to set the number of queued frames in Video Renderer
- Add: Video Renderer now uses multiple passes instead of complex shaders, and works on PS 1.1 hardware. Bicubic scaling is available staring with PS 1.4
- Add: DTS support in MPEG TS streams
- Add: A much better deinterlacer to the Video Renderer
- Add: Type 1 DV in AVI support to the splitter
- Add: Minimal support for reference files in MOV container (useful when playing files over http)
- Add: Minimal support for Bluray m2ts files (only tested with MPEG2/AC3)
- Add: Use BITMAPINFOHEADER to passthrough aspect ratio when using WMV3 video in Matroska (only works when using the Video Renderer for playback)
- Fix: Swapped width/height returns in the Video Renderer (Fixes incorrect video display in Zoom Player)
- Fix: Does not show error message dialogs when invoked from the shell
- Fix: A horizontal phase shift in Video Renderer
- Fix: A startup delay in Video Renderer on uniprocessor systems
- Fix: Seeking in WMV files when played with a Video Renderer
- Fix: Seeking when cues in matroska file are invalid
- Fix: Audio track switching to AAC tracks
- Fix: Handling of wrapping PTS in MPEG TS streams
- Fix: Video streams changing when using Matroska files with Ordered Chapters
- Fix: AVI subtitles handling
- Fix: Compatibility with ACM wrapper filter
- Fix: A rare crash during Simple Splitter destruction
- Fix: A muxer bug when a sample extends past the movie's end (rarely happens with subtitles)
- Fix: Matroska muxer to always use NALU size length of 4
- Fix: Eliminated tearing on some hardware when not using Soft VSync in the Video Renderer
- Fix: Better compatibility with DVD playback using a Video Renderer (still not perfect)

[Disabled]

Moderators, please throttle this to the 'rants thread'... I welcome the discussion there, not in this thread.

In my opinion you can easily throttle down this thread. Just answer asked questions and we will either be quite or go to the ranting thread and bitch about your words. But in my opinion its not ranting to ask what we are allowed to do. And as you don't answer, we have to talk about what you are [not] allowed to do with us.


*edit*
Sorry, saw it late:

- Add: Installer: Support for CoreNumber XP/Vista re-installs without having to re-register the codec

Can you please explain this feature? How does it work? Can I reformat my PC and install Vista? Can I buy a new computer and transfer the licence? Does it need an internet connection to reinstall?

[BetaBoy]

Disabled...

- If you have purchased XP OR Vista and install CoreAVC and then do a OS re-install (this means a refresh not a fresh install) the codec does not need to be re-registered with our servers.

- If by FORMAT you mean having XP installed and then formatting and then installing Vista no.

- Transfer to another PC, no... your license is directly tied to your OS serial number (I have stated this here and at CoreCodec several times over the past few months).

- An internet connection is required to install and activate the codec properly... as I have stated in this thread we are working on an 'activation wizard' to help with activation and even allow the user to activate offline. But it will not be in this release as we are still adding features to it.

As a point of reference for anyone with further questions.... we have just brought up http://support.corecodec.com and are transferring all the current CoreAVC knowledgebase content over to the new KB for the launch.

[Foreigner999]

Wait, I thought the Core Account's reset license feature was meant to:
A) reset for a license to move to another install. (you strongly hinted if not outright implied this)
B) To be flexible to allow people who are upgrading hardware to move their (only) installation to a new reinstallation.
C) To support people who are moving thier single license to another machine (sold the old one, moved on to a laptop, robbed or simply no longer in possesion of the old Windows License key.

Can we have a spelling out (in fine print) of what exactly the reset feature is supposed to do _NOW_ in this new revision of CC policy.:thanks:

Sorry for quoting myself but it was easier this way for me. Can you tell me if the upper scenario's will work anymore?

By the way who in the world would reinstall their operating system on top of a buggy or damaged or infested old partition with their old OS? Reformat has always been a good policy of mine on the computers i have worked on unless they paid me more to revive thier old installtion because of precious files.

Im glad to see you rolled out a support site, Very good in my book for the customers.

What exactly is the reset activation feature for then? What was it exactly intended to do?

Edit: Read the posts and got some answers but not all

a) No
b) Yes (If XP/VISTA allows you to move your license of XP/VISTA)
C) No* (allowed, if xp accepts you moving your license to another machine) Tied to your XP/Vista License Permanently

[BetaBoy]

By the way who in the world would reinstall their operating system on top of a buggy or damaged or infested old partition with their old OS? Reformat has always been a good policy of mine on the computers i have worked on unless they paid me more to revive thier old installtion because of precious files.

Alot more then you may think... from our demograhic it seems at least 30%.


Im glad to see you rolled out a support site, Very good in my book for the customers.
It was something we wanted to integrate into the Core account system itself (which it does) but because of the volume we are doing we needed a larger solution. BTW... this uses the same 'unified' Core Account ID/Pass login. The same will be for our new CoreCodec.com portal and forums, which will be launched by the end of this month.

What exactly is the reset activation feature for then? What was it exactly intended to do?
This will be a featured link on you Core Account via our services portal for all users, this will also be in the wizard that will allow a user to reset a 'FRESH' install with our servers.

The end result of all of this is to 'give the users the power' without alot of interaction on our side.

[Disabled]

- If by FORMAT you mean having XP installed and then formatting and then installing Vista no.

- Transfer to another PC, no... your license is directly tied to your OS serial number (I have stated this here and at CoreCodec several times over the past few months).


Thanks for the information and confirmation. Sorry, but you wrote so much things at different times that I wanted to have it confirmed. I acted accordingly (see sig).
I'm off

[Foreigner999]

@Disabled

Is that being sold with a depreciated value or is that the standard version? How did you set up a core account without using the installer?

[popper]

Opinion from an outsider: EULA is a part of a contract you've made while buying the product, hence a consumer should be informed of any changes. Secondly, in case of important changes you should have the right to finish the contract, but it's all theory and I'm not sure if it's so easily applied to products like the discussed one (though, it should be).*

* Yes, I'm a lawyer, but I don't deal with consumers' protection. I just named general rules, that should apply to any kind of contract, at least in the european meaning (excluding anglo-saxon case-law system).


im suprised that the US consumer law doesnt seem to protect you (assuming so as non of you have mentioned it as yet?) like the UK consumer goods and services act etc see http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/ for a good practical place to learn your rights and ENFORCE them if needs be.

and the fact all consumer contracts (EULA,T&C etc) have to have reciprication or you can have them removed as void.


it not clear that any wrong doing is infact happening here and it seems just a small miss-understanding or human error (we all make mistakes from time to time after all being human)is being blown out of proportion perhaps...... it may become clearer soon if the effort is made.:o

[BetaBoy]

it not clear that any wrong doing is infact happening here and it seems just a small miss-understanding or human error (we all make mistakes from time to time after all being human)is being blown out of proportion perhaps...... it may become clearer soon if the effort is made.

In the end we want everyone to be happy (not gonna happen but we will try hard)... from a business perspective on the registrations side... I can say that once we added server auth that our registrations went up 10x from where they were at before it. Maybe its a fluke, maybe its a fact of the popularity of H.264 becoming more mainstream now. But being that we are a small bunch of devels and that have most our our roots in our open source efforts with no VC funding, every dollar counts to continuation of our success.

To that... www.CoreForge.org is now OPEN for open source audio and video hosting as we will now be closing www.CoreCodec.org and moving all the projects over to CoreForge in the next 2 weeks.

[popper]

In the end we want everyone to be happy (not gonna happen but we will try hard)... from a business perspective on the registrations side... I can say that once we added server auth that our registrations went up 10x from where they were at before it. Maybe its a fluke, maybe its a fact of the popularity of H.264 becoming more mainstream now. But being that we are a small bunch of devels and that have most our our rooted efforts in our open source efforts with no VC funding, every dollar counts to continuation of our success.

To that... www.CoreForge.org is now OPEN for open source audio and video hosting as we will now be closing www.CoreCodec.org and moving all the projects over to CoreForge in the next 2 weeks.

your to modest BetaBoy, the fact is your coreAVC is in a class all its own and because of that people have been advocating it to the masses everywere as it the only SW codec that can keep up.

i do wish we can get A PPC linux version though :D for the likes of the genesi boards and the kiloCORE , you get to do a kiloCORE version one day LOL once a board comes out with that FPGA included ( iv mentioned that before and not just off the cuff as an end user but put some thought in to pointing you to that in the past so as to see reactions and possabilitys etc).

http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/10/wanting-what-you-have.html

its clear it hard to balance the business side with the end user side and building the trust in both directions, but theres always options and im hopeful we can all (90%+)be happy eventually.

im interested in how the venice project http://newteevee.com/2007/01/11/venice-project-mozilla/
licence manages to work given they are the licencees rather than the end user (i asume).

there are a many new markets that could take advantage of your IP its just a matter of thinking a new and forgetting the old school ways, micro payments being one of many options for instance see bbrv's blog etc.

[BetaBoy]

Popper... thx... with GPU coming and our encoders later this year we are gonna be busy ;-)

You will here more about CoreAVC and Joost in the next couple of weeks as it moves towards it's 1.0 release. Till then, I can't comment anymore on it.

[BetaBoy]

I also wanted to clarify on XP/Vista... as I had previously stated we _are_ allowing uprades to Vista for the next couple of weeks for the early adopters for free. However its one or the other not both OS's.

[popper]

Popper... thx... with GPU coming and our encoders later this year we are gonna be busy ;-)

You will here more about CoreAVC and Joost in the next couple of weeks as it moves towards it's 1.0 release. Till then, I can't comment anymore on it.


good we need a fast AVC encoder as we cant seem to get interest in good easy OSS multi-machine lan AVC encoding for some reason.

and tell the venice lads to put friggin UDP Multicasting over ipv4 tunnels in their server/client apps so we can start saving massive bandwidth and start to bring it into the mainstream, and perhaps force the ISP's to rethink their refuseale to
finally re-activate multicasting in all their routers for end users to start innovating and save upload/download bandwidth.

the tubes guys dont seem interested in real innovating and dont seem interested in saving bandwidth with multicasting , meary playing the oldhat P2P card over standard server space with a keyword twist for getting news coverage.

AVC multicast web streaming would be cool if the easy (gui)tools were available and widespread even if we needed to tunnel that to begin with.

[Foreigner999]

@betaboy

Is GPU support ready for the next release? I wanted to ask if Nvidia/ATI or Intel/AMD or whomever is helping you had asked you to sign an NDA, why would they help you when they have a product themselves that they sell for hardware acceleration? I might be completely misunderstanding.

With the GPU support acceleration, will that be propreitary technology of that company or is it like a GPGPU implementation running an advanced CoreCodec propreitary implementation?

And if your NDA keeps you from touching that one....will your encoder use the GPU to accelerate Encoding in a future product? What about that thread i saw you post about secondary licenses (http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3728.0) at a discounted rate? When will that be released to the masses? I can live with cheap throw away licenses and am willing to stay on board the titanic as long as the plans are flexible.:devil:

Is there anyway to sign up for the corecodec account system without having to install v1.2?

[HeadBangeR77]

Excuse me to interrupt once again, but it's getting interesting from my point of view ...

"Add: Installer: Support for CoreNumber XP/Vista re-installs without having to re-register the codec"
First you add this (as general terms and conditions? EULA? simple readme? it does matter). The above statement could mean many different things, so people ask questions ... and ...

"- If you have purchased XP OR Vista and install CoreAVC and then do a OS re-install (this means a refresh not a fresh install) the codec does not need to be re-registered with our servers."
(...)
"Alot more than you may think... from our demograhic it seems at least 30%."

Name the source of your statistics, please. For me it sounds absurd. For most of us re-install means "format c:\" and a fresh system afterwards. M$ allows to do this, and you don't - at least peculiar imho. It shows how misleading was and is the first statement of yours.

"- If by FORMAT you mean having XP installed and then formatting and then installing Vista no."
Basically, no format allowed, no matter what a user will instal after that. Could you include such a statement in your EULA or would it scare off potential buyers? :D

I've got nothing against moving this to the "ranting thread", although I wouldn't call it "ranting" personally - I would call it "trying to be precise".

regards,
HDBR77

PS. Also :
- What's the mentioned re-registration connected with?
- What hardware changes are allowed and how your product could detect them (if at all)?
- What about restoring a system partition from an image with e.g. Norton Ghost?

PS2. I think you should have 3 threads actually : the technical one, the legal one, and the pure ranting one. ;)

[Foreigner999]

Excuse me to interrupt once again, but it's getting interesting from my point of view ...

"Add: Installer: Support for CoreNumber XP/Vista re-installs without having to re-register the codec"
First you add this (as general terms and conditions? EULA? simple readme? it does matter). The above statement could mean many different things, so people ask questions ... and ...

"- If you have purchased XP OR Vista and install CoreAVC and then do a OS re-install (this means a refresh not a fresh install) the codec does not need to be re-registered with our servers."
(...)
"Alot more than you may think... from our demograhic it seems at least 30%."

Name the source of your statistics, please. For me it sounds absurd. For most of us re-install means "format c:\" and a fresh system afterwards. M$ allows to do this, and you don't - at least peculiar imho. It shows how misleading was and is the first statement of yours.


I thought this was also odd for statistics. How you collect that info and verify or come to that knowledge I haven't the slightest clue, but I have seen plenty of dummies who reformat their computers every thirty days because they dont know how to take measures to ensure a healthy system. I was one of those dummies when I was 7.

Betaboy there are still some questions lurking up above if you have a chance.

[Seb.26]

@Betaboy ...
... sorry if already asked ( I haven't found answer here by "search" )

But why are you including "Haali Media Splitter" changelog with yours ?!
( what is the link between you & Haali ?! :confused: )

(NB: I've edited my last post ... ;) )

[BetaBoy]

Seb.26... The license is not transferable. If was within the first 15 days I can issue you a refund.

On Haali.... I have discussed this a few times in this thread... He is a one of our main developers and HMS is a major part of CoreAVC and our Directshow efforts for both Windows and CE. Haali also interjects splitter code into our CorePlayer Framework as well.

Spoiler: HMS will also play an even large role for us in going forward including supporting the upcoming Matroska Menu System which will be a part of next years CoreAVC 2.0

[Seb.26]

Seb.26... The license is not transferable. If was within the first 15 days I can issue you a refund.
Already done ( refund ... ) ... just for the "fun" ... :D

On Haali.... I have discussed this a few times in this thread...
Ok, sorry ... thanks for repeating ... :o
( That's great for you ... IMHO, Haali is really a good coder ! :) )

[Hans Ohlo]

betaboy:
asked another way: what will the vista version of coreavc add to justify the enforcement of a new license in six months?

why shouldn't it be possible to transfer my license in 6 months over to vista?

right now vista is not usable for me as media center os, just because the drivers for many hardware parts are not up to it right now.

another question arises, if i want to test if coreavc runs without problems on my media rig under vista why should i have to transfer it everytime i want to test it?

these are important questions. please answer!

tell us the reason to tie a decoder license to an os license. and then tell us what this has to do with the fact that we should only run one license on one mashine. and please answer this, becaus this would break your neck in court, because there is no legal reason to do so.

[Oxygen]

Spoiler: HMS will also play an even large role for us in going forward including supporting the upcoming Matroska Menu System which will be a part of next years CoreAVC 2.0

If the HMS could be more flexible error-wise speaking on the container/containee it would be even nicer ...

[ChronoCross]

betaboy:


these are important questions. please answer!

tell us the reason to tie a decoder license to an os license. and then tell us what this has to do with the fact that we should only run one license on one mashine. and please answer this, becaus this would break your neck in court, because there is no legal reason to do so.


The questions have already been answered many time. you bough a single Pc single OS license. Not a "I can use it everywhere I feel like it" License.

That is why you cannot use it on 800 different machines and OS's

[toytown]

The questions have already been answered many time. you bough a single Pc single OS license

This was not mentioned when i purchased the software.

This was not mentioned when i installed the software (there is no EULA i have to accept, except for haali media splitter)

This was not mentioned in the readme from the version of software i recieved.

This was not mentioned in any emails i recieved during purchase or after.

This was not mentioned to me on there website when i purchased COREAVC.

So is this something core just decided later on, when they decided they could fleece money twice from there customers who were going to upgrade to vista later on?

[Inventive Software]

FFS, what's the big deal here? So they decided to tie you down to one OS install, big f*****g deal. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and accept this is how most paid-for software will be. Just be glad back in the day that you could move it about as you liked. That goes for Windows too before that had activation.

Betaboy, back me up here will ya? Sounds like an unhappy customer who just doesn't like what he reads! :D

[Eretria-chan]

If one doesn't like it, then we embrace it? If we don't complain, will anything ever change? I really think that you should tell users that it's tied to the OS and hardware and that you're purchasing a single license.
On the other hand, I think the activation and lock down is nonsense, idiotic and crap. However, this is easily fixed... Simply, don't buy CoreAVC 1.2! CoreAVC 1.1 is working fine and doing its job. That's good enough for me. Until this lock down disappear, I'll stick with it... and therefore, I don't need to complain.

[Hans Ohlo]

That is why you cannot use it on 800 different machines and OS's
where did i say something like that? i am talking about _one_ mashine, which i surely will update to vista in the near future (i.e. 6months+). but this will be after testing everything. so again why shuoldn't i be able to test the decoder on vista (on the very same mashine, NOT at the same time running!)?

That goes for Windows too before that had activation.
i can change where i install my xp license, i can easily reactivate it on a new mashine. i did it multiple times, so what is your point.

oh and btw. my ms office 2003 license runs on my xp, and guess what... it will install und run without any trouble on vista later on.