CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC" [Archive] - Page 52

HeadBangeR77

2nd February 2007, 00:15

FFS, what's the big deal here? So they decided to tie you down to one OS install, big f*****g deal. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and accept this is how most paid-for software will be. Just be glad back in the day that you could move it about as you liked. That goes for Windows too before that had activation.

Betaboy, back me up here will ya? Sounds like an unhappy customer who just doesn't like what he reads! :D

Because there was no EULA nor any general terms and conditions, that would state such facts, in opposite to the most paid-for software you've mentioned. Since such terms and conditions are part of a sales contract, and there were none. One cannot change or impose them after that! If so, the consumer should be informed, and in case of major changes should be able to terminate a conctract, which is not the case here. Read what I've written on the previous page, before you start to swear or call other users "idiots". None of my questions have been answered so far.

Do you really think a company can change its terms and conditions any time it wants to? And publish them in an unofficial way? Do you really think such a form is legal? If so, you either a fanboy or a moron, excuse my hard words.

PS. I don't have any interest in Core AVC nor in any other commercial AVC codec. I haven't got any nor am I planning to buy one, so I consider myself "an observator from the outside".

PS2. I'm still wondering, why nobody has conntacted any consumers protection org ... Since this is not my specialization I will say no more.

ChronoCross

2nd February 2007, 01:21

if you don't want to accept the EULA at the beginning of the coreavc installer all you have to do is ask for a refund. By accepting it you've agreed to all the stipulations mentioned. Sure it should probably be pre purchase but your not tied to using it a refund is still possible up to the point you accept the EULA

Inventive Software

2nd February 2007, 01:36

I SERIOUSLY hope I'm not pre-empting anything, but I do actually read all the EULA in each software I install, especially if I'm aware that it needs activation. You have to be so careful what you sign up to, cause they can slide some fairly free clauses in there. Roxio I think had one a year or so ago in their software that stated "you agree to the automatic updating of your software" (don't quote me, unless you find the source, cause that came from my flaky memory, head's like a kitchen thing with holes in it... :D), so actually take the time to read what you agree to and then argue the case. In CoreAVC's case, I do know there was an EULA with the original 1.2 release, however it was decided that the restrictions placed by the MPEG LA were sufficient, as was their activation. And headbanger77: most EULA's have a condition that allows them to change the licensing terms without notification, so meh. ;)

Of course, you could just read through the entire thread, and the "Official Rant" thread, and note that in the future, it will eventually get released open-source for the good of the community, so all of this is academic now! :D

Jeez, politics! ;)

HeadBangeR77

2nd February 2007, 02:13

(...)

Of course, you could just read through the entire thread, and the "Official Rant" thread, and note that in the future, it will eventually get released open-source for the good of the community, so all of this is academic now! :D

Jeez, politics! ;)
First of all, I must apologize for my strong words, especially since I don't know the whole background :o (and you sounded like one of those fanboys :D).

Secondly, many of those guys claim there was absolutely no EULA - I'm just wondering, what would happen, if I bought that product while staying in Germany, or UK, or Poland, where more strict rules are applied in favour of consumers' protection. I don't think they would allow things like "features about to change without further notice", especially when those theoretical features were important or costly. ;)

peace, mate ;)

Inventive Software

2nd February 2007, 02:24

Secondly, many of those guys claim there was absolutely no EULA - I'm just wondering, what would happen, if I bought that product while staying in Germany, or UK, or Poland, where more strict rules are applied in favour of consumers' protection. I don't think they would allow things like "features about to change without further notice", especially when those theoretical features were important or costly. ;)

If you're that pissed about people's right to fair software, you're fighting a losing battle. At least the EU is on our side, sort of, by stifling the monopolies that companies hold, such as Microsoft.

HeadBangeR77

2nd February 2007, 02:34

If you're that pissed about people's right to fair software, you're fighting a losing battle. At least the EU is on our side, sort of, by stifling the monopolies that companies hold, such as Microsoft.
I know, I've been following the discussion both in the EC/EU as well as in the USA (provided I had enough time). Still, someone must try at least, unless we all want to be united under the name of Umbrella Corporation (tip: Resident Evil ;)).

Btw. it's not only software, GTCs change in many important markets "without notice". I don't expect to inform all the users of any single detail that has been changed, pure absurd that would be. Yet, there are some of such an importance, that should be officialy published before they start to oblige, and the user should have the right to terminate a contract in the chosen, strictly described cases.

"Our side" - sounds funny to me :D
Does everyone has to be on someone's side? gosh ...

Foreigner999

2nd February 2007, 02:48

If you're that pissed about people's right to fair software, you're fighting a losing battle. At least the EU is on our side, sort of, by stifling the monopolies that companies hold, such as Microsoft.

Gee, Iventive Software you make getting shafted sound like a good thing :p (just kidding)

I think we should complain if we don't like getting the short end of the stick. Besides, in economies the theory is that we give money to recieve a service of equal value. By the sentiment you share would it be better to accept it without discourse?

@ betaboy there are still plenty of unanswered questions just above these posts. Please give your paying customers the courtesy of actually answering or at least direct us to your PR department/spokesperson.

BetaBoy

2nd February 2007, 05:09

@betaboy

Is GPU support ready for the next release? I wanted to ask if Nvidia/ATI or Intel/AMD or whomever is helping you had asked you to sign an NDA, why would they help you when they have a product themselves that they sell for hardware acceleration? I might be completely misunderstanding.

With the GPU support acceleration, will that be propreitary technology of that company or is it like a GPGPU implementation running an advanced CoreCodec propreitary implementation?

And if your NDA keeps you from touching that one....will your encoder use the GPU to accelerate Encoding in a future product? What about that thread i saw you post about secondary licenses (http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3728.0) at a discounted rate? When will that be released to the masses? I can live with cheap throw away licenses and am willing to stay on board the titanic as long as the plans are flexible.:devil:

Is there anyway to sign up for the corecodec account system without having to install v1.2?

- GPU is not in this release as I had stated... and there really is way too much for me say that I cannot. Just know that it is coming. Also, since its public info... GPU uses API hooks in the OS that is supplied from MS. So that should answer your question...

On purchasing... in late April we are adding the feature to login to your Core Account and purchase additional products at a discount.

On creating an account.... once we launch the new CoreCodec.com and our forums yes.... as all the sites and account system share a 'unified' login.

Hans Ohlo

2nd February 2007, 08:26

ChronoCross

2nd February 2007, 08:34

nice avoiding the answers betaboy... very nice!

if there is a free way to contact customers support please anyone tell me (i do not have the resources to sue anyone :( sadly in this case!), i will go the extra mile and try to bring this customer scam down!

apparently you didn't read:

1) It's tied to the OS (he answered that about 10 pages back)
2) because it's a single OS license.
3) They are working on a method for deactivation and activation on a new machine.

You can contact support@corecodec.com

KoD

2nd February 2007, 12:44

GPU uses API hooks in the OS that is supplied from MS

DXVA 2.0 ? That would make it available only for Vista, I guess. More stormy waters ahead, euh...

bond

2nd February 2007, 19:40

hm guys, can we get back on the topic please. for ranting and other non technical stuff please use appropriate threads, like the ranting thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=118775)

thx!

har-vas

2nd February 2007, 20:21

Hello all. I would like to ask if CoreAVC (I bought and installed 1.2 pro) includes in its plans to supply in a future version some color and picture-related settings in the configuration panel. I don't know if this happens to me only, but the playback is very (or anyway much) dark. In general, I think that this feature is essential in any decoder's panel and for example DivX and XviD both do have it. So, why not in CoreAVC? Attention: I am not talking about a player's capability to increase brightness, but I need this feature in the filter itself, so that the playback will be bright enough WHATEVER player I select to watch my movie. Now I have to enforce ffdshow to decode H264, because it has "picture properties" settings where I am increasing brightness. But I prefer CoreAVC because it is faster (I use an older system for playback). Thanks.

JohnnyFu

4th February 2007, 13:49

Hi,

Betaboy, will there be a Linux Version of CoreAVC in the future ?

I'm sure this has already been asked and answered somewhere, but i don't wanna search 129 pages.

BetaBoy

4th February 2007, 16:36

Hi,

Betaboy, will there be a Linux Version of CoreAVC in the future ?

I'm sure this has already been asked and answered somewhere, but i don't wanna search 129 pages.
CoreAVC already works on Linux (and OS X) the question is playback. Let me explain further without going too off-topic.

I may or may have not mentioned everything in this thread.... but later this year we have to major efforts for Linux as we will be releasing our decoder library bundle for Linux that will feature all of our decoders... CoreAAC, CoreMP3, CoreASP, CoreAVC, CoreWMA, CoreWMV, CoreVC1, CoreDVD, CoreAC3.

Now I do not want to get to OT in this thread.... but i'll post more on it when the time is right as we will have some partnership announcements in regards to this effort as well.

BetaBoy

10th February 2007, 07:17

A quick update.... we are working on a reported issue with the current installer for 1.2.5 . . . Hence the delay.... The issue is Vista and how is treats everything as a virus.... it reminds me of this new switch ad.... http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov

Anyway... we have fixed a reported bug that microsoft sent to us and and working on the new 'mucho-mega' installer...

Since I've received 5 PM's on it... yes... as reported... as of Joost 0.7.4 it now features an CoreAVC Professional integrated into it, see; http://www.slevi.net/2007/02/08/joost-074-i-salute-you/

JohnnyFu

10th February 2007, 10:34

I always wanted to ask you why CoreAVC only runs under my administrator account ?
It peeves me sometimes to run my video-player as administrator, espacially when i lay on my couch and the keyboard is too far away to type in the admin-password.

regards,
Johnny

edit: rant, moved to ranting-thread :D

Jay Bee

12th February 2007, 11:25

Here is the current changelog for the next release of CoreAVC.

One bug I don't see mentioned: Non-square pixel encodes are displayed sqaure when AVC streams are in AVI container.

Seb.26

12th February 2007, 13:39

One bug I don't see mentioned: Non-square pixel encodes are displayed sqaure when AVC streams are in AVI container.
AVI container provide DAR and PAR ?! :confused:

Jay Bee

12th February 2007, 15:34

AVI container provide DAR and PAR ?! :confused:

No, the data is in the stream, not the container. FFDShow does it right.

Seb.26

12th February 2007, 15:54

No, the data is in the stream, not the container. FFDShow does it right.
Oh ... thanks ... :)

BetaBoy

12th February 2007, 16:49

One bug I don't see mentioned: Non-square pixel encodes are displayed sqaure when AVC streams are in AVI container.

You have an example video to send me? betaboy AT corecodec DOT com

thx

Jay Bee

12th February 2007, 22:30

Sent. :)

anisota

13th February 2007, 03:59

I've been having some problems playing PAFF streams with CoreAVC Pro, and was wondering if anyone has seen anything similar. It plays fine with CoreAVC 1.0, but 1.1.0.5 and 1.2 just show a black screen when I build the graph in graphedit (the garph builds fine). I had a lot of trouble getting a sample to play in graphedit, so the one below has some artifacts, but demonstrates the problem. Plays properly with 1.0, not with 1.1 or 1.2

http://www.zshare.net/download/paff-mkv.html

It is annoying because 1.2 is about 10% faster at decoding than 1.0, and I can use the extra little bit of performance, as I'm right on the edge with my hardware.

Any ideas what is wrong?

Inventive Software

13th February 2007, 11:46

:search: CoreAVC AFAIK doesn't support PAFF streams at the moment.

bob0r

13th February 2007, 15:03

http://coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=4&id=15

- Interlaced support (PAFF and MBAFF)

anisota

13th February 2007, 15:46

I have a few PAFF streams that work fine with CoreAVC1.2 and several MBAFF ones that do as well, and as noted above, the CoreAVC site says it is supported.

By the way, there was a question above about linux support. I have recently posted an updated mplayer patch (to the mplayer-dev list) that adds support for all released versions of CoreAVC (you do need to install in Windows and copy the filter along with the relevant registry keys of course...installation in Wine will not work). It works fine on both win32 mplayer and linux, with similar performance to windows (it is hard for me to really compare apples to apples here).
It is a reasonable stop-gap solution until a library is available for linux.

pankov

13th February 2007, 19:37

HI
Has anybody tried setting the output color space to RGB32? I want to use it because there are problems with the color range in YUV modes on NVidia cards (16-235 instead of 0-255). The reason I need this is because the Fix VMR9 color range is not working when DirectVobSub (or any other postprocessing) is used.
When I tried to set this color-space in CoreAVC's properties page I noticed the following problem:
the picture get's flipped upside-down

Why is that? ffdshow for example doesn't have this problem.

If needed I can provide a sample

Seb.26

14th February 2007, 12:39

pankov

14th February 2007, 14:41

Use FFDShow's "Level" filter ... it's far better ... :sly:
10x
I'll it, but can you give a me a quick guide and recommendations what's the better configuration that I should use?

Seb.26

14th February 2007, 15:43

10x
I'll it, but can you give a me a quick guide and recommendations what's the better configuration that I should use?
Basic setting for TV->PC is [16;235]->[0;255] ... but be sure your render don't do this too ... test this with THX optimizer for exemple ... ;)

NB: with [16;235]->[0;255], you remove all BTB & WTW values ... but you can restore them by tweaking input levels ... IMO, that's why FFDShow's LEVEL filter is far better than others ... :sly:

eLupus

18th February 2007, 05:38

BetaBoy:

Could you consider dropping PECompact2 compression of the dll's exported function table?

I finally got CoreAVC to work in xbmc on xbox for all versions up to 1.1.0.x. Starting with 1.2.0.0 you apperently decided to enable Export Table compression in PECompact2. This apperently leavas the directory entry for the export table blank in the file header, I suppose it could be filled in on dll process attach, however it wasn't when I checked. That it wasn't filled could potentially be caused by PECompact2 thinking I was debugging the dll, and thus never finished decompressing, hard to say though.

Given that the older version also was PECompact2:ed, but work fine atleast I know our custom dll loader can put up with most oddities PECompact does with dlls.

On a sidenote, my intention for registration is to have xbmc read a fixed file located outside main xbmc installation, containing the licence keys. Hope that is satisfactory.

/elupus

anisota

18th February 2007, 16:17

Given that the older version also was PECompact2:ed, but work fine atleast I know our custom dll loader can put up with most oddities PECompact does with dlls.
I'm not sure how the xbox loader works, but there were only minor changes needed to mplayer's loader to allow using PECompact2 with it, and the changes I made have worked fine through version 1.2. It may not be at all helpful, but I thought xbmc used mplayer as its back end, and the solution I used should have worked fine for you too. There is a patch on the mplayer-dev list:
PATCH [5/12] CoreAVC Decoder support
containing
05pecompact2.patch
This is the isolated set of changes I needed to make for mplayer to support PECompact2.

Edit: I also wrote an app (included in the patch set) to insert the keys into mplayer's registry, so they can be stored per-user with a centrally installed CoreAVC filter.

BetaBoy

18th February 2007, 16:31

Guys PM me and i'll talk to you about the xbmc off line.... also on other platforms...

Although I have not really discussed this here.... Next month we will be release 'CoreAVC QT' for OS X and Windows soon afterwards will offer CoreAVC for Linux. I don't want to go into alot of the details or go off topic at this time... but CoreAVC for Linux is a part of our Linux 'suite' of decoders that we will soon be offering. This will eventually include MP3, AAC, AC-3, ASP, AVC, MPEG-2, VC-1, WMA, WMV and more.

There are alot of details I am leaving out on purpose as we are also working with Linux Distros on the plugin/purchase process for the suite.

eLupus

18th February 2007, 16:38

BetaBoy: will do.

ansiota:
the issue that I ran into was that our loader couldn't find any exported functions from the dll, nor could i find that the call to dll main had filled in the pointer to the export table in the coff header, thus when mplayer tries to find the entry point for directshow dll's, it was unable to getprocaddress it.

I'm not sure how pecompact2 works in this regard, but i'm assumeing it should correct this on load, i'm suspecting it thinks i'm debuging the dll, and just doesn't finish loading.

but let's keep this out of this thread for now, as it's quite OT, pm me if you have an idea on how to solve it thou.

maximm

20th February 2007, 18:40

Hi, can someone please tell me how i can find the CoreAVC settings menu? It wont pop up when i play a movie and i cant find it anywhere.

Jay Bee

20th February 2007, 18:55

If you use Zoom Player or MPC you can go to filter properties while playing an AVC file. But I think a tray icon would be a good feature.

BetaBoy

20th February 2007, 21:18

To configure the CoreAVC options... goto 'Start > Programs > CoreCodec > CoreAVC Professional' and click 'Configure CoreAVC Professional' (for the Pro version). The CoreAVC configuration panel will then pop-up for you to change the settings.

BetaBoy

20th February 2007, 21:30

But I think a tray icon would be a good feature.
We have avoided this because it bothers some people... however there has been alot of people aking for it... so I'll bounce it around again internally... as I like anything that saves multiple 'clicks' ;-)

Dreassica

20th February 2007, 21:37

Can't be too hard to just add an option in config to enable a tray icon. If some peopel are bothered by a tray icon, they can just leave it disabled.

BetaBoy

20th February 2007, 23:32

Can't be too hard to just add an option in config to enable a tray icon. If some peopel are bothered by a tray icon, they can just leave it disabled.

A tray icon is cake work... and I like the ability to turn it off in the options... the same will be true for our upcoming corner icon overlay.

Hans Ohlo

21st February 2007, 21:58

betaboy, any news on 1.2.5? you said it was due to be released around 30th of january 2007(?)...

Ice =A=

22nd February 2007, 16:47

I just wanted to reinstall CoreAVC 1.2 and it won't work. I'm getting an error message "Unable to obtain serial number from remote server".
Actually that's what I was afraid of the first time I heared of that online activation! I really like coreavc and paid for it gladly, but if I pay for it I'd like to really have it, whenever I want!

Edit: Seems to work again...

BetaBoy

23rd February 2007, 16:10

We have delayed the release because of the Vista RTM issues we had to deal with that were not present in the RC's. Aside from that it has given us the opportunity to add alot to the installer including the in-demand 'offline activation'. While you will still need to get to a PC to get an activation code.... it is still an option to activate an offline device or if a firewall is preventing you from registering.

Inventive Software

23rd February 2007, 16:50

What did MS break in Vista RTM that wasn't in the RC's eh? :D

Ice =A=

23rd February 2007, 19:07

including the in-demand 'offline activation'. Hey, that sounds great! I wouldn't have thought you'd ever change that again... :)
So there is someone who does listen to his customers... ;)
Keep up the good work!

BetaBoy

25th February 2007, 14:14

Last night we released a Vista compatible installer for v1.2... however because of the Vista mods it still does need some work on XP (go figure).

So v1.2.5 is now going to be v1.3 because of all the work that has gone into this release we felt that the 1.3 milestone was more then appropriate. We are still targeting this week for 1.3 with the new installer, offline activation and all the bug fixes... and from our beta testers and OEM partners... it looks as if v1.3 is the fastest, most stable, and bug free version to date.

Thanx for everyone's great feedback and continued support.