CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[Roco]

I have to wait for an alternative credit-card payment service too. I had more than one bad experiences from paypal in the past, so I am negatively biased to the point that I have them in my black list and will never use their service again. I hope an alternative will be available soon.

[popper]

Hey, you must do something with your website "http://coreavc.corecodec.org/"! It is too much LIGHT!!! It doesn't give the confidence that people want to take!!! If you want to sell more give it a better style!!!:sly:

Yes, it might be a good and fast decoder and yes you did a very good advertisment in the video forums, but if you want to have NEW customers who doesn't look the forums? What then???? A light website isn't always the best choice!!! Give it something! (Like: DivX, on2)!!!

id think they have to take one step at a time, after all
you seem to be forgetting that CORE doesnt just run on x86, there are many other platforms they could market too, i'd assume that if a webbrowser plug-in exists and they choose to make a seperate wiz-bang site/front page then we as their inital testers will point the less informed readers there.

its a shame doom9 has that registerd for 5 days rule before posting as i suspect there are many people wanting to comment on this thread, could that change some time soon DOOM9?.

[Selur]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=809261#post809261
=> seems like this only happens with the "BRAVIA Commercial: Extended version" from http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html all other files play fine. (used Quicktime Pro 7 to save the file to hdd)

Cu Selur

[BetaBoy]

Hey, you must do something with your website "http://coreavc.corecodec.org/"! It is too much LIGHT!!! It doesn't give the confidence that people want to take!!! If you want to sell more give it a better style!!!:sly:

Yes, it might be a good and fast decoder and yes you did a very good advertisment in the video forums, but if you want to have NEW customers who doesn't look the forums? What then???? A light website isn't always the best choice!!! Give it something! (Like: DivX, on2)!!!

I did a small update about an hour ago... its a little more graphic. Our CMS was pushed out for a few more days so what you see now is a 'temp' site. Thanx for the feedback though.

[BetaBoy]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=809261#post809261
=> seems like this only happens with the "BRAVIA Commercial: Extended version" from http://www.bravia-advert.com/commercial/braviaextcommhigh.html all other files play fine. (used Quicktime Pro 7 to save the file to hdd)

Cu Selur
I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?

[Ice =A=]

About that website: I really like it that way, it's refreshingly concise and clear.
I'm really fed up with those flamboyant sites that try to be stylish but only succede in making navigating much more complicated!!!

[BetaBoy]

id think they have to take one step at a time, after all
you seem to be forgetting that CORE doesnt just run on x86, there are many other platforms they could market too, i'd assume that if a webbrowser plug-in exists and they choose to make a seperate wiz-bang site/front page then we as their inital testers will point the less informed readers there.


You mean like this?
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/index.htm

btw... thats an older CoreAVC... and a build of CorePlayerX from over 2 months ago... but you see where we are going.

[CEC]

I am not saying that they must make it more complicated! The site funcionality is very good! I am saying that they must make it more beautiful!!!:)

We are speaking about a VIDEO DECODER here (people want to see something with style)!!! They have to use nicer colors and buttons!:D You can't just use 3-4 very basic colors :eek: for a website that sell a VIDEO DECODER!!!!! It is so....... Linux!!!:rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope to see something cool in it!!!:cool:

[Eretria-chan]

I can't view the site in Firefox. What plugin or whatever are you using there?

EDIT:

Selur: I tested your file by browsing to it, downloading via Save As, renaming the extension to mp4 and played it (by building a graph with graph builder). I built the graph with haali / coreavc / ffdshow audio and haali renderer. It plays just fine.

Also noticed:
The installer did not register the CoreAVC Decoder filter (using Pro); had to manually register it.
I did not encounter the aforementioned seeking issue (although I seeked only within graphedit).

Also regarding coreavc, it reduced the cpu % from about 70% to 50%. I got 70% when I did not use coreavc. I don't know WHAT I used, though, but I guess it was nero, because that is the only avc decoder installed and active. I tried this file BEFORE I registered the coreavc decoder.
I know this computer is utterly POC - the resolution was only 700 x 394.

EDIT2:
Now trying in WMP. I notice a small bug in seeking. It seems to either grab some frame before or simply stall a little before resuming playback the specified position. Cpu utilization does not peak to 100%, but stays normal, so I doubt it is the processor that is having trouble.
This laptop has an Amd Turion 64 Mobile ML-28 @ 800Mhz and 512 mb ram. As stated, I use Haali's Media Splitter included in the installation of CoreAVC. But I did notice that it didn't successfully install; some files might still be in use, so I shall try to investigate that, too, by reinstalling it tomorrow after having rebooted the computer.
I have the pro version.

[CruNcher]

@ CEC ehh especialy because it is a video decoder (something people never see work except they set something in the config dialog) it doesn't need to be flashy and so the website doesn't need to be if you want to market a Player thats a different thing but for a Video Codec it doesn't have to be and "less is more" here.


I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?

Works here fine too no crash with Raw decoding and manipulateing Picture Properties

@ Eretria-chan
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/tcpmpAx.cab <- download extract and install but close firefox before then go to the webpage again :)

[Selur]

I've tried to duplicate this on three seperate PC's with no luck... all play fine. Anyone else?
Deinstalled ffdshow, Haali, CoreAVC, installed ffdshow from http://www.free-codecs.com/FFDShow_download.htm, reinstalled CoreAVC, now it works,.. (will report if I can recreate the problem somehow)

Cu Selur

[BetaBoy]

Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.

DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/

This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.

[tomos]

Dan, is this spam blacklist still ongoing? could you get carlos to mail me the link again?

thanks :)

[Disabled]

If it could be integrated into XBMC I would instantly buy it - nah dang it, I'll buy it.
Ok got the professional version now.
But I'm still interested in the question about Mplayer/XBMC.

[popper]

You mean like this?
http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/tcpmpx/index.htm

btw... thats an older CoreAVC... and a build of CorePlayerX from over 2 months ago... but you see where we are going.

yea, thats the one i was thinking of, BTW anyone thinking
its not working after going to the above URL?.

its working for me with 'Advanced Browser'
http://www.advancedbrowser.com/ and IE.

try downloading the 'ice age 2' (Just Love that squirrel) 8)

from the wayback page4
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=761387#post761387
and load that local file into the browser player, works a treat here, although im not sure if its the browser plug-in or the Version 0.0.0.4 Alpha (20060113) DS filter.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

I am sorry for asking this, but from where I can download official version of CoreAVC decoder?

Thank you.

[BetaBoy]

I'll update the first post in this thread... its @ http://www.coreavc.com

[ChronoCross]

I am sorry for asking this, but from where I can download official version of CoreAVC decoder?

Thank you.

and before you ask no it's not free, they will not be making it free, and the preview time-limted version will not be out for another month.

[popper]

Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.

DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/

This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.

dan , both of these url instantly crash both avanced browser
(see other post) and IE 6.0.2900.2180 with XP and SP2 installed, luckly, ABrowser remembers all the open urls
and reloaded all my pages (60+) and i just double clicked the bad url before it fully loaded so not crashing it.

[tomos]

odd, the last beta was ok, but the one i;ve been mailed goes back to the probs of beta 2 for me. the audio seems to be playing about 250ms too early. i have to correct this in mpc. tried this with several avi i've done myself and they're all the same. exact same audio delay needed in each one.

anyone else had the same problem?

[HookedOnTV]

Not to get to OT... but we also created a new Codec we call 'COSP' (internal name). It is a Panorama based codec... have a look.

DEMO #2 - COSP Panorama Codec DEMO... grab the picture and move it...
COSP Demo 1: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/first/
COSP Demo 2: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/demo/second/

This older version still has the FireFox 'crash' after you go to the webpage... this has been fixed in newer version. As well as a new right click menu.

Javascript errors.

[BetaBoy]

yeah... they are basic demos... we have more complex and simplistic examples in the works.

[Sirber]

Are you calling a website test a "codec"?

[SeeMoreDigital]

yeah... they are basic demos... we have more complex and simplistic examples in the works.This is great fun....

Me thinks you need to start a new thread about it :D

[ChronoCross]

This looks very similar to the way plone looks. With the exception of the navbar being on the right instead of left.

[Abnormal1]

I just tried to use one of the early releases of the ds filter and sadly it will not work with mplayer on XBMC. XBMC tries to use the codec but errors.

05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsAlloc
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsGetValue
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsSetValue
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll FlsFree
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll EncodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING Unable to resolve: kernel32.dll DecodePointer
05-04-2006 18:57:53 WARNING kernel32.dll fake function DisableThreadLibraryCalls called
05-04-2006 18:57:53 ERROR cmplayer::openfile() smb://##.#.#.#/videos/test.mp4 failed
05-04-2006 18:57:54 ERROR Playlist Player: skipping unplayable item: 0, path [smb://##.#.#.#/videos/test.mp4]

[BetaBoy]

Are you calling a website test a "codec"?

No, we have developed a new panorama codec called 'COSP'. The website is just a demo to show it off.

[tomos]

hi Dan, any guesstimates for updates to the codec? logged my probs on your site bug reports section (audio sync probs)

[Disabled]

@Abnormal1 sad to hear it does not work out of the box. But I still have hope that the actual filter does work with it or may work in the future. Unfortunately I don't have a way to test this right now.
I Still would like to have an official statement here...

I did a quick and unfair speed comparison between VLC and CoreAAC.
252secs with AAC audio at 1Mbit/s (the video, not the audio) with every option Nero had to offer.
I just looked how many cpu-time was wasted by the two.
VLC used 1:48 min
MPC + CoreAAC + CoreAVC + Haali used 1:23 min
That results in a speed boost of 30% (or VLC is 25% slower, how you like it)
Quite impressive I think.
Does Nero ShowTime use its own filter? Just benched it and it took also 1:48 min to decode. So the clear winner is CoreAVC.

*edit*
DAMN! (Sorry) I'm able to watch this nice 720p Quicktime trailer. I first tried to play it in its .mov container, that sucked badly, but remuxed to .mkv it played flawlessly: 0 dropped frames, duration: 2:21 CPU-Time: 1:26 => average CPU load: 61% and that with an Athlon XP 2200+ 768MB Ram and sucky old GF2 TI 64MB

[Abnormal1]

Aparently mplayer's ability to use Directshow filters is limited so unless mplayer or CoreAVC are altered to work together it will never work.

[Eretria-chan]

If it works fine in other dshow apps, then it is mplayer's fault, yes? Then something should be done to mplayer.

[nm]

Yes, MPlayer has its own DShow interface implementation which is partly based on Wine code. That enables the DShow filters to work on other x86 platforms like Linux, *BSD and probably OS X x86, and not only Windows. Since the interface is not complete and implements only specific parts of the full Win32 API, new binary-only filters usually need some coding work in the MPlayer's side. However, CoreAVC developers are probably more willing to work with the community than the codec manufacturers generally, so getting the filter to work should not be too difficult given some time and effort.

[ravemax]

mplayer - coreavc: Since both mplayer and VLC are GPL, a easy way would be to write a stub, which loads CoreAVC using "dlopen". So at the end BetaBoy & Co only would have to release the source of the stub.

[nm]

That would be the way to do it, but getting that stub approved to the official MPlayer and VLC code might prove more difficult unless it is only an extension to an existing mechanism, like the DShow loader.

[welew]

A small bug of CoreAVC (0.0.0.4 beta version):
1, when CoreAVCDecoder.ax put and registered in the non-english directory, it can not be called by filter-based player (MPC, Graphedit, ...)

2, registry entry would be modified to fix the problem, and i write a simple program to do it.

3, do not know CoreAVC commercial version already fixed it.

[BetaBoy]

welew while I apprecite that report... 0.4 was a test codec. Please only report 1.xx bug reports. You can do so on our bug tracker here:
http://corecodec.org/tracker/?atid=313&group_id=64&func=browse

[breez]

Sorry if this is a stupid question or one already answered, but what about the TCPMP AVC plugin? Is the "1.0" version of it already available and is it a separate purchase from the DS filter?

[BetaBoy]

CoreAVC will be a included with the FULL version of CorePlayer v1.0. We are pushing the launch to be in mid-may... atm we will launch with versions for Palm, CE, Symbian, and Linux.

Also... BetaPlayer 1.0 will likely be out sooner... We will also offer a 'codec bundle' for all the pay codecs for it as well.

[Gnerma]

So is the plan for a "FFDSHOW like" all in one DirectShow decoding package? Or at least ASP, AVC, AAC, Vorbis and a few other formats?

[lexor]

CoreAVC will be a included with the FULL version of CorePlayer v1.0. We are pushing the launch to be in mid-may... atm we will launch with versions for Palm, CE, Symbian, and Linux.

no windows? :confused:

[BetaBoy]

no windows? :confused:
Our desktop strategy is very complex... not sure this is the right thread to be talking about it.

But basically by Xmas will will have alot to show you all. Alot has to do with our web integration, online store, metadata managment at the client(s)/server level and what we are internally calling 'CoreTunes'... which syncs the multiple DB's with all your CorePlayers on each device (PDA, Cell, Desktop, etc).

[Foreigner999]

@betaboy

Do you know if people who bought the CoreAVC DSfilter will get any kind of upgrade path for the official TCPMP release? Any discounts or will we have to plunk down another $XX to get that as well?:D

[tomos]

@betaboy, any info on this audio delay bug? it's odd that it was fixed in the beta i received but its back in the final release?

[BetaBoy]

@betaboy, any info on this audio delay bug? it's odd that it was fixed in the beta i received but its back in the final release?
tomos.... we have not been able to duplicate this at all. ;-(

[Sirber]

which syncs the multiple DB's with all your CorePlayers on each device (PDA, Cell, Desktop, etc).iPod too? :D

[tomos]

tomos.... we have not been able to duplicate this at all. ;-(

weird, someone i've spoken to on another forum has the same prob. can i send you a small section of an avi for you to test with?

[Sirber]

audio delay is related to the use of HE (and PS).

[DigitalDeviant]

iPod too? :D

Well, I guess since you can make your iPod run Linux (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml) it could work.

Somehow, I don't think this is what you meant.

[tomos]

sorry, i have no idea what HE/PS is :confused:

[Sirber]

sorry, i have no idea what HE/PS is :confused:
:search:

http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/aacPlus

[BetaBoy]

audio delay is related to the use of HE (and PS).

Thx Siber...

[BetaBoy]

iPod too? :D
Our 'CoreTheque' DB already syncs with iTunes perfectly. So yes... now playing back that content... thats another thing ;-/

[BetaBoy]

@betaboy

Do you know if people who bought the CoreAVC DSfilter will get any kind of upgrade path for the official TCPMP release? Any discounts or will we have to plunk down another $XX to get that as well?:D
No since, the DS filter is a totally different products. Technically CoreAVC will be a part of CorePlayer (mobile)... but you will not have the advanced filter properties that is available... mainly because they are not needed for a mobile device.

We have two clear cut avenues to use the codecs we have created.. one is threw the DS framework and the other is with CorePlayer/BetaPlayer. Our non-DS efforts for playback within our players will _always_ be faster then our DS efforts.

Also note that there are even features that are in the current TCPMP that even Haali and picard noted are faster then what even dxva could provide.

[Sirber]

Thx Siber...
Sirber ;)

[BetaBoy]

Sirber ;)
/me smashes Toff's 'frenglish' keyboard... sry :stupid:

[HookedOnTV]

I know it is still premature but... any indications of a prefference between the two camps for gpu acceleration?

[Gnerma]

BetaBoy isn't saying anything about GPU support yet. I suspect its because they're not all too sure how its going to turn out themselves. Heres to hoping that they'll manage to hammer out support for all SM 3.0 GPUs.

[CEC]

Do you have a release date of the trial version???? How limited is going to be????

[BetaBoy]

Do you have a release date of the trial version???? How limited is going to be????
No... and like I said the other day it will be at least a month away. its not a priority atm.

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy isn't saying anything about GPU support yet. I suspect its because they're not all too sure how its going to turn out themselves. Heres to hoping that they'll manage to hammer out support for all SM 3.0 GPUs.
Just know that without saying specifics... we are working on it.

[lcx]

audio delay is related to the use of HE (and PS).
I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.That's odd!

I'm able to decode 1280x720 AVC video using CoreAVC. And decode 6Ch AAC-HE audio and transcode it to AC3 using FFdshow, with no delay..... Even on my 2.8GHz P4

[tomos]

I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.

Icx, is it the same prob i have where the audio is always playing around 250ms too early?

[MaxL]

WHEN ppl without possibility to pay over PayPal will be ABLE to buy CoreAVC decoder. PayPal doesnt accept countries like Easter Europe and 2/3 of other countries worldwide. That really sux.

Why dont u have enabled alternative paying systems like WorldPay or similar?

MaxL

P.S. Sorry if this is not right place to ask this Q.

[ChronoCross]

The reason that paypal doesn't accept alot of forign accounts and CC's is because that (at my last look at stats) 60% of all purchases made using paypal outside of the US were fraudulent.

I'm sure they will come up with an alternative for international buyers.

[soresu]

Once purchased, will an updated version be sent to my e-mail automatically once it becomes available? Or will I have to download it from the website?

[BetaBoy]

Once purchased, will an updated version be sent to my e-mail automatically once it becomes available? Or will I have to download it from the website?
Our 'Core Account' system will be up soon. Once it is live... each purchaser will get an email asking them to log into it for the first time. In there you will be able to enable/disable update notification via email for every CoreCodec product you have purchased... that also includes update notifications via email for our Open Source projects as well.

[7zeal]

So are you going to change paypal for some other exchange site? I live in Romania and it's not stated there.. and I really want to buy the new coreavc. You'd better hurry, there are lots of customers in unsupported countries too. :) You don't want to lose them, do you?

[Eretria-chan]

When the core account system is online, hopefully there should be alternate payment methods available. Be a little more patient and you'll see a solution will show...

[7zeal]

cool. i doubt it, but .. cool :P

[BetaBoy]

So are you going to change paypal for some other exchange site? I live in Romania and it's not stated there.. and I really want to buy the new coreavc. You'd better hurry, there are lots of customers in unsupported countries too. :) You don't want to lose them, do you?
Of coarse we dont... we will have a more universal payment system in place and some additional payment options very soon. It will not be at first launch of the account system but soon afterwards.

[JoeBG]

@ Beta Boy

Is it allowed to make a download package with the old and free version 00004 of CoreAVC?

[BetaBoy]

@ Beta Boy

Is it allowed to make a download package with the old and free version 00004 of CoreAVC?
No, as a matter of fact I have sent 6 take down notices over the past few days.

[7zeal]

I would like to become a beta tester for CoreAVC.
If you consider it, please let me know. Btw I can do programming too in many languages, but .. just tell me how I could help. :sly:

[bob0r]

No, as a matter of fact I have sent 6 take down notices over the past few days.

I want one too :scared:

[BetaBoy]

I want one too :scared:
Like I told Jarod... we are not here to bust balls... I just need to state that we never distro'd 0.04 with 'any' license and as we are the copyright holders, that others should not state what 'we' actually did or what 'they' can do without the right to do so.

well... except for those .NL users ;-)

[BetaBoy]

On a devel note... Haali noted some minor changes for the next release and when Toff gets back today we will work on the new installer that merges Haali's splitter with the installer.

On a side note... Would everyone want our new CoreAAC v2.0 packaged with CoreAVC? . . and before ppl ask... the price would remain the same.

[maxleung]

I am finally allowed to post! Arrrghhh to the Doom9 forum for giving us CoreAVC users a 5 day delay!

Anyways, yes, I would love to see CoreAAC 2 bundled - I've been having a hell of a time finding a place to download a RECENT version of CoreAAC.

Also, what version of the Core Player should I be using? Core Media Player? The Core Media Player? The Core Player? Core Player? There are so many permutations of the name I have no idea which one would work with CoreAVC 1.0.

I am using Windows by the way...

[maxleung]

Another question, this time about benchmarking:

Is there a tool, similare to TimeCodec.exe, that will allow me to tell if my system is dropping frames because my CPU isn't powerful enough to decode in real time?

Timecodec.exe, while a nice idea, is useless at telling you if the decoding framerate dips below the source video framerate.

For example, Timecodec.exe tells me that the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer plays back at 34 frames per second. However, when I play it back in realtime, I can see frame drops here and there - obviously in some spots my PC cannot keep up. I would like to know if there is a tool out there that can tell me what the MINIMUM framerate achieved was?

Thanks!

[ChronoCross]

i would love to have coreaac bundled. as long as it's fully featured and not different between basic pro and enterprise. I'm still using your old beta's of it and would appreciate greatly a new version =D . Since I am very satisfied with my purchase of pro coreavc and plan on upgrading to enterprise version in the future.

[niknik]

yes indeed, CoreAAC and AVC pack! :)

[Sirber]

Does CoreAAC v2 decode AAC HE+PS?

[Schrade]

Is the graphic on the CoreAVC website a condom with a face, ears and arms on it?

http://coreavc.corecodec.org/images/mlogo.gif (http://www.coreavc.com/)

[sillKotscha]

muuuaaaaahhhahahaaa,

yes, it looks like :D

[CiTay]

Is the graphic on the CoreAVC website a condom with a face, ears and arms on it?

Funny, yesterday it had a different symbol than that "copy controlled" one. But i also noticed the condom-shape.

[SeeMoreDigital]

On a side note... Would everyone want our new CoreAAC v2.0 packaged with CoreAVC?Sounds like an excellent plan ;)

[dk75]

Is there a tool, similare to TimeCodec.exe, that will allow me to tell if my system is dropping frames because my CPU isn't powerful enough to decode in real time?

Timecodec.exe, while a nice idea, is useless at telling you if the decoding framerate dips below the source video framerate.

For example, Timecodec.exe tells me that the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer plays back at 34 frames per second. However, when I play it back in realtime, I can see frame drops here and there - obviously in some spots my PC cannot keep up. I would like to know if there is a tool out there that can tell me what the MINIMUM framerate achieved was?

Maybe you'll try to use actual renderer in it? (see "dfps" at picture below)

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/357/timecodec2hk.jpg

[maxleung]

dk75, I did that - the dfps of 34 was with VMR9. It does NOT tell me that dropped frames would result, like it did when I watched it in a real directshow player.

[videomixer9]

VMR9 is too much depended on the player, also I think it'll have less cpu usage with smaller image. And if you try VMR9 in timeCodec and then use MPC renderless e.g. to play the video it's only natural that it varies, MPC VMR9 renderless is dependant on the players additional processing too, especially software scalers etc.

[dk75]

dk75, I did that - the dfps of 34 was with VMR9. It does NOT tell me that dropped frames would result, like it did when I watched it in a real directshow player.
Then use ZoomPlayer and during playback hit "I" - you will see actual FPS.

[maxleung]

dk75, so what you are saying is there is no way to determine if you get framedrops or drop below source framerate without actually monitoring the fps manually? Is that "actual FPS" an average or instantaneous?

IF the above is an average, what you propose is useless for the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer on my rig - it takes the VMR9 renderer tens of seconds to settle the framerate, and by that time the critical high-bitrate section at the beginning has just been played - and then the framerate holds steady even when one or two frames gets dropped because it is an AVERAGE framerate, not an instantaneous one. Make sense?

So then there is no automated way of benchmarking video performance including minimum framerate achieved?

videomixer9, that's okay - I'm merely concerned with raw codec performance, not whole playback chain performance.

This is like those quick-and-dirty videogame benchmarks - "Oh look, Doom3 averages 60 frames per second on this rig!" - ignoring the fact that key scenes in the game dip below 10 frames per second! Playability? Who cares? :p

EDIT: Oops, removed a sentence that didn't make sense.

[CEC]

Is coreaac only going to be free???

[ChronoCross]

Is coreaac only going to be free???

Hopefully not. It should be paid and come with any purchase of the video decoder.

[starlabs]

I wouldn't mind CoreAAC being included, but please make sure it's an optional install as with Haali...

BTW it's a great piece of software you guys have. Very fair pricing. Thumbs up! :)

[BetaBoy]

CoreAAC v2.0 would be available for CoreAVC users who already paid for any version. It would also be in our 'Core Media!' playback bundle... and yes would be set as an optional install.

[Hans Ohlo]

dk75, so what you are saying is there is no way to determine if you get framedrops or drop below source framerate without actually monitoring the fps manually? Is that "actual FPS" an average or instantaneous?if you use media player classic (mpc) you can enable a statistic display in the view menu. there you can see current bitrate, average bitrate, dropped frames (accumulated), average fps and so on. maybe this is what you are looking for...

[maxleung]

Thanks Hans! I'll give that a shot!

[MrWizard]

Just as an FYI, you may have a slight problem with your current download system. In my registration email, it said "In the mean time, you should keep a copy of this file somewhere safe, as downloads are automatically deleted after 7 days." Just tried it again and it still works. Will likely be fixed with your new accounting system, yes? So, it may not matter to you, but I thought I'd mention it.

[maxleung]

This is tougher than I thought - I could not get Zoomplayer or MPC to report any dropped frames, even if I do something insane like run Cinema Craft Encoder at the same time (at a higher priority too!). It looks like the video will slow down and the audio will stutter - hence, no dropped frames!

So, your suggestion DK75, of using the Information dialog box in Zoomplayer is the best bet - it reports the frame rate that is updated quite frequently and isn't a longrunning average. Dips to 19 fps on this P4 3.0 GHz PC with a crappy ATI card in it.

Thanks dk75.

[BetaBoy]

Just as an FYI, you may have a slight problem with your current download system. In my registration email, it said "In the mean time, you should keep a copy of this file somewhere safe, as downloads are automatically deleted after 7 days." Just tried it again and it still works. Will likely be fixed with your new accounting system, yes? So, it may not matter to you, but I thought I'd mention it.
Correct... we also just added the delete script and have change it to 24 hours.

[dk75]

This is tougher than I thought - I could not get Zoomplayer or MPC to report any dropped frames, even if I do something insane like run Cinema Craft Encoder at the same time (at a higher priority too!). It looks like the video will slow down and the audio will stutter - hence, no dropped frames!
I think it's bycause H264 DS filter. I've seen already few times a dropped frames but never with H264. It's always slowmotion.
And as for slower playback than timeCodec - are You sure that You 're using CoreAVC to playback with Your player?

[maxleung]

dk75, sorry, the playback I did today was on my work PC which is a P4. I was running the Timecodec test on my home machine, which apparently is a lot faster. :)

[ACrowley]

Icx, is it the same prob i have where the audio is always playing around 250ms too early?

same problem here with DirectShow CoreAVC

But only with "some" h264 720p Files

No dropped Frames so far and stable framerate on A64 3400/2gig RAm/x800xt-pe

But theres the audioDelay-Audio async,how subscribed from the others here!

Nevermind what Container is used ,or what for a DirectShow Player is used!
Also nevermind if i use Haali Spliter or something else.

Problems with ALL CoreAVC Versions (0001-1.0)

And i know lot of People with CoreAVC and a Audio delay,async, Problem too

So its a bigger Problem...

With the CorePlayer ,tcpmpW32, and the AVC Plugin theres NO Audio async !
So ,theres only the Bug with the DirtectShow Versions of CoreAVC

BetaBoy...i hope we can get a bugfix for that !

As is say only with some h264-HD Files..

Heres a sample with async Audio on (only) CoreAVC :
http://rapidshare.de/files/17432320/sample_h264_mkv.mkv.html

Greetz

[tomos]

weird, happens with all of mine. whether 720, or 1080. if i add 250ms to my players delay then its all fine for every single file.

this didnt happen during older releases tho, just 1 beta.

[BetaBoy]

same problem here with DirectShow CoreAVC

But only with "some" h264 720p Files

No dropped Frames so far and stable framerate on A64 3400/2gig RAm/x800xt-pe

But theres the audioDelay-Audio async,how subscribed from the others here!

Nevermind what Container is used ,or what for a DirectShow Player is used!
Also nevermind if i use Haali Spliter or something else.

Problems with ALL CoreAVC Versions (0001-1.0)

And i know lot of People with CoreAVC and a Audio delay,async, Problem too

So its a bigger Problem...

With the CorePlayer ,tcpmpW32, and the AVC Plugin theres NO Audio async !
So ,theres only the Bug with the DirtectShow Versions of CoreAVC

BetaBoy...i hope we can get a bugfix for that !

As is say only with some h264-HD Files..

Heres a sample with async Audio on (only) CoreAVC :
http://rapidshare.de/files/17432320/sample_h264_mkv.mkv.html

Greetz

I am still trying to determine what the actual issue is... 4 systems I test on here do not have the issue. I have asked 3 beta testers to test the sample MKV so i'll report what they tell me.

I'll ping Haali and Toff on this.

[tomos]

do you want an example of an AVI that has this problem?

[HookedOnTV]

I played the above sample on two machines and they were both in sync (atleast as close as you could expect being a foreign language dub).

[net1999]

Had a quick test, the avi which is encoded with vfw mode x264 had the sync problem when I tried to do the fast searching. MKV which is done by MeGUI was acting perfect...

[jeffhuge]

Had a quick test, the avi which is encoded with vfw mode x264 had the sync problem when I tried to do the fast searching. MKV which is done by MeGUI was acting perfect...
momo net1999 sama
:)

[BlackSharkfr]

www.hardware.fr did a small review of Core AVC
They tested it with an Athon FX 55 and they compared CoreAVC with Cyberlink and Nero, with and without graphics card acceleration :
link to the article (french) (http://www.hardware.fr/news/8117/coreavc-plus-fort-qu-avivo-purevideo.html)
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/16/IMG0016450.gif
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/16/IMG0016453.gif

[maxleung]

Betaboy says:

I am still trying to determine what the actual issue is... 4 systems I test on here do not have the issue. I have asked 3 beta testers to test the sample MKV so i'll report what they tell me.

This one plays strange on my system - audio is garbage because Zoomplayer picked the DScaler Audio Filter and I get massive static. Hmmm...what is the audio format anyways?

EDIT: Well, I don't know why it picked DScaler, but when I told it to pass the MPEG audio through SPDIF it started to work. THe audio is out of sync.

[BetaBoy]

do you want an example of an AVI that has this problem?
yes... send it via yousendit.com and use betaboy@corecodec.com . .thx

[tomos]

uploading via that site now. 3 mins left at this point

while doing this i found something tho. i cut out a speech from a movie i have encoded. playing the movie straight away and it seems fine. the audio is perfectly in sync. now if i seek at all within the clip, start/middle/end, then the audio is 250ms out of sync.

same in mpc/zplayer etc. just playing the clip and not seeking at all leaves the audio percetly in sync.

hopefully you can confirm this on your end with this clip Dan :)

[anisota]

I thought someone on this forum might be interested in work I've done using the CoreAVCCodec in Linux. Specifically, I have hacked up the win32 filter loader in mplayer to handle CorAVCDecoder.ax. I initially got it working with 0.0.4, but that was only 2 days before 1.0 was released. After 1.0 was released, I had to do a lot more work to get it working again due to a lot more checking of data integrity inside the DLL itself. But I have now succeeded in doing so. Of course, I was informed by CoreCodec support that they'll be releasing a linux version in a couple of weeks, so this may not be useful to anyone, but my main goal is actually to use this filter with mythtv (which I have succeeded in as well), and I don't have any indication that their linux release will support that.

The code is still very crude, and I can't gaurantee it will work for anyone else, but it should. Also, it was built for a 32-bit pentium-4. I have no idea what will happen if it is compiled for 64bit, or on anything but gcc/linux. Specifically, I had to implement some nasty assembly stack manipulation to implement a Windows-style exception handler, and that is certainly very non portable. Also, the code probably won't play nicely with any other win32 filters. you've been warned.

Also, because the official codec does a key-validation, you need to supply your key to mplayer. I am not aware of any way to edit the registry file, so it is currently hardcoded (of course I didn't provide my key, you'll need to provide your own)

for mplayer:
apply the patch, then edit loader/dshow/DS_VideoDecoder.c
Search for 'Joe User' and replace the key/user-id from what is in your registry after installing the codec (luckily enough, the installer works great with wine, so no windows system is required)
run configure and make as usual
place the CoreAVCDecoder.ax file into /usr/lib/win32 (or wherever you configured mplayer to look for it)

append the following to the end of your codecs.conf file:

videocodec coreavc
info "CoreAVC DShow H264 decoder for x86 - http://corecodec.org/"
status untested
format 0x10000005
; format 0x31637661 ; avc1
fourcc H264,h264
fourcc X264,x264
fourcc avc1
fourcc davc,DAVC
driver dshow
dll "CoreAVCDecoder.ax"
guid 0x09571a4b, 0xf1fe, 0x4c60, 0x97, 0x60, 0xde, 0x6d, 0x31, 0x0c, 0x7c, 0x31
out YV12,IYUV,I420,YUY2


you should be ready to go.

for mythtv:
install the patch
cd libs/libdshowloader
make
cd dshow
make
cd ../../..

make and install as usual
copy CoreAVCDecoder.ax to /usr/lib/win32
copy the dshowcodecs file to ~/.mythtv/ (of the user you run mythfrontend as)
edit dshowcodecs and change the key and user id to the one from your registry (no need to edit the source for mythtv)
You should be good to go.

I have only tried the above with the 'Pro' version. It may or may-not work with any other version.
http://www.files.bz/files/9309/Mythtv/mplayer_coreavc.patch.20060413.bz2
http://www.files.bz/files/9309/Mythtv/directshow.patch.20060413.bz2
http://www.files.bz/files/9309/Mythtv/dshowcodecs

Here is some performance comparison I did (with 0.0.4) on linux:

for a 54 second 1280x720 video on a P4 2.8GHz (on linux)

using ffmpeg:
mplayer -vo null -nosound -benchmark h264.mpg
BENCHMARKs: VC: 47.711s VO: 0.038s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.732s = 48.481s
BENCHMARK%: VC: 98.4132% VO: 0.0779% A: 0.0000% Sys: 1.5089% = 100.0000%

using coreAVC:
mplayer -vo null -nosound -benchmark -vc coreavc h264.mpg
BENCHMARKs: VC: 35.498s VO: 0.040s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.750s = 36.288s
BENCHMARK%: VC: 97.8222% VO: 0.1109% A: 0.0000% Sys: 2.0669% = 100.0000%

[BetaBoy]

uploading via that site now. 3 mins left at this point

while doing this i found something tho. i cut out a speech from a movie i have encoded. playing the movie straight away and it seems fine. the audio is perfectly in sync. now if i seek at all within the clip, start/middle/end, then the audio is 250ms out of sync.

same in mpc/zplayer etc. just playing the clip and not seeking at all leaves the audio percetly in sync.

hopefully you can confirm this on your end with this clip Dan :)

This is a known bug and has already been fixed and will be in the next release.

[ACrowley]

@BetaBoy

Something new about the Audio async Bug ?

I think i will upload a new sample which is only with CoreAVC Async later.

[soresu]

Has anyone else here ordered CoreAVC and not been sent a download link email yet? Ive been waiting a week already.

[BetaBoy]

soresu... there are a handlful of ppl that seem to have not gotten their orders. You can email me betaboy@gmail.com or betaboy@corecodec.com to take care of it.

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy

Something new about the Audio async Bug ?

I think i will upload a new sample which is only with CoreAVC Async later.
Pls upload a clip... so far all of us that have tested, have not had any of the audio sync issues that have been reported. The demos ppl have sent us do not point to any issue with the decoder at all, but a local config issue.

[Shazam]

Hi guys !

I'm downloading HD trailers in 1080p (*.hdmov).

I'm using coreavc, MPC and zoomplayer with ffdshow.

My pb is that hdmov files, according to graphedit, are associated with coreavc AND ffdshow mpeg-4 video decoder, which jeopardizes the playback quality

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5725/graph1xs.jpg

When I remove ffdshow in graphedit , everything's fine !!

So how to get the right association to playback hasslefree in media player ?

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5171/graph10yf.jpg

Thanks for your help !

PS : h.264 has been deactivated in ffdshow...

[breez]

Deactivate "raw video" from ffdshow.

[Shazam]

Deactivate "raw video" from ffdshow.

Thanks for the advice : works !

...and why this has to be done ?

[[)370|\|470!2]

Because it has higher merit in dshow.

[Shazam]

Thanks !

[ravemax]

@anisota: Sweet.
- Is the hardcoded 1280x720 only a default-case, only used when the resolution was not specified?
- Still got the 0.04 .patch?
Thanks.

[ACrowley]

Pls upload a clip... so far all of us that have tested, have not had any of the audio sync issues that have been reported. The demos ppl have sent us do not point to any issue with the decoder at all, but a local config issue.

http://rapidshare.de/files/18167628/test.mkv.html

Here another sample where i (and others) have Problems with Audio async. only with CoreAVC DirectShow Version

TCPMPW32 CoreAVC .PLG plays it 100% in sync!

Greetz

[BetaBoy]

ok... 4 PC's here and this tests fine both via DS and CorePlayer Pro (win32)...... tell me specifically what audio codec you are using for DS AC-3 playback?

[sillKotscha]

ok... 4 PC's here and this tests fine [...] via DS

up to 5 ;)

[bob0r]

http://rapidshare.de/files/18167628/test.mkv.html

Here another sample where i (and others) have Problems with Audio async. only with CoreAVC DirectShow Version

TCPMPW32 CoreAVC .PLG plays it 100% in sync!

Greetz

It plays here very out of sync also.
Even tho media player classic is not dropping any frames, i think i have found MY problem: 1-AMD XP, 1530MHz, 256KB
What's yours?

[welew]

When coreavc (1.0.0.0 Pro) is installed in a non-english direcory (chinese directory for example), then CoreAVCDecoder.ax would not be called.

Solution: unrar the patch file to the same directory containing CoreAVCDecoder.ax, then run it. Done!

welew 2006-4-17
http://corecodec.org/tracker/download.php/64/313/727/32/CoreAVC_Patch.rar

[kirkers]

The latest FFDShow build (2006-04-13) by Milan Cutka posted on the x264.nl site has solved a huge problem with C++ assertion error crashes in Winamp streams and files using H/x264.

I don't know if this is exactly the right place, but I wanted to acknowledge the tremendous improvement in quality.

(Moderators: please post this in other thread(s) based on your best judgment)

[BetaBoy]

The latest FFDShow build (2006-04-13) by Milan Cutka posted on the x264.nl site has solved a huge problem with C++ assertion error crashes in Winamp streams and files using H/x264.

I don't know if this is exactly the right place, but I wanted to acknowledge the tremendous improvement in quality.

(Moderators: please post this in other thread(s) based on your best judgment)

Way OT ;-)

[BetaBoy]

When coreavc (1.0.0.0 Pro) is installed in a non-english direcory (chinese directory for example), then CoreAVCDecoder.ax would not be called.

Solution: unrar the patch file to the same directory containing CoreAVCDecoder.ax, then run it. Done!

welew 2006-4-17
http://corecodec.org/tracker/download.php/64/313/727/32/CoreAVC_Patch.rar
EDIT: NM... I see it was added to the tracker... thx

[ACrowley]

It plays here very out of sync also.
Even tho media player classic is not dropping any frames, i think i have found MY problem: 1-AMD XP, 1530MHz, 256KB
What's yours?

No...mine is strong enough for 720p h264!

A64 3400/2gb ram/x800xt-pe/audigy2zs/Wxp Pro

My DirectShow Interface is working fine!
CoreAVC ,Haali or all other Decoder/filter for each MediaFiles are used proberly in each Dshow player.
Graphedit shows me too..


As i say CorePlayer is playing theses problamtic Files 100% in sync!
Only Dshow CoreAVC not.. No dropped Frames, 21,50 average frames

All other HDTV Content like mpeg2(ts) wmv-9 ..no async


@betaBoy
I use AC3 FIlter for decoding AC3 or DTS !
Also test ffdshow or other AC3 decoder like cyberlink, nero...all the same!
And i test these Files without any Audio stream too...the same!

With the Samples i have a CPU load of 98-100% with CoreAVC ..
Whats you CPU load with the samples ??

[BetaBoy]

With the Samples i have a CPU load of 98-100% with CoreAVC ..
Whats you CPU load with the samples ??
32%... using cyberlink and it plays fine... can you specifically show me captures of graphedit? Can you uninstall FFDShow and see if this changes anything?

[ACrowley]

32% ....hardware accel. ??

i know absolutly no User who has only 32% with it on around 3,2gig CPU?? 100% not!
Are you sure ?
What for a CPU are you using ? DualCore?

And no..ffdshow unin. didnt change anything!

As i say only HaaliSplitter/CoreAVC/AC3Filter is used for those h264 Files!
In every DirectShowPlayer , also in Graphedit (with Video/AudioRenderer at the End)

So its 100% not a Problem with my Dshow Interface and with wrong used Decoders

Its CoreAVC himself ,because tcpmp or other Decoders play it in sync.
And only "some" h264- htv Files (other codes=no Problem) are not in sync..so it must be CoreAVC only

[BetaBoy]

32% ....hardware accel. ??

i know absolutly no User who has only 32% with it on around 3,2gig CPU?? 100% not!
Are you sure ?
What for a CPU are you using ? DualCore?

And no..ffdshow unin. didnt change anything!

As i say only HaaliSplitter/CoreAVC/AC3Filter is used for those h264 Files!
In every DirectShowPlayer , also in Graphedit (with Video/AudioRenderer at the End)

So its 100% not a Problem with my Dshow Interface and with wrong used Decoders

Its CoreAVC himself ,because tcpmp or other Decoders play it in sync.
And only "some" h264- htv Files (other codes=no Problem) are not in sync..so it must be CoreAVC only

Yes Dual Core T2600 Inspiron... we will continue to look into the issue.

[emmel]

No...mine is strong enough for 720p h264!

A64 3400/2gb ram/x800xt-pe/audigy2zs/Wxp Pro

With the Samples i have a CPU load of 98-100% with CoreAVC ..


Just tried your test.mkv with my A64 3200/512M/X600/XP Pro and HaaliSplitter/CoreAVC 1.0.0.0. I get 60% load with overlay renderer and 80% with vmr9. All n'sync.

[soresu]

Still no reply to my e-mail about missing CoreAVC pro download link. Gettin desperate now! :scared:

[ChronoCross]

Still no reply to my e-mail about missing CoreAVC pro download link. Gettin desperate now! :scared:'

check your spam folder....

[soresu]

Nope, ive got the purchase notification from service@paypal.co.uk - but no download link e-mail

[BetaBoy]

Nope, ive got the purchase notification from service@paypal.co.uk - but no download link e-mail

PM me your PP transaction # and i'll resend the email.

[KoD]

AC3Filter <- that's the problem usually when desync happens. How about uninstalling it ?

[BetaBoy]

Note ACrowley stated he was not using AC3Filter and got the same results... Maybe uninstalling it?

[emmel]

Hi,

I would like to ask a small question considering the timing of interlaced h264 when played with CoreAVC.

I have a couple of mp4-files containing interlaced h264. The content is obtained from a local satellite test transmission, demultiplexed into h264, and finally wrapped in a mp4 container with fps=25.

The h264 contains two kinds of 1-2 min sets following each other in a loop. According to the in picture timing sei message the sets consist of a) pict_type=1 and pict_type=2 and b) pict_type=3. In both sets, the clock_timestamp_flag is set to zero. In both cases the vui params num_units_in_tick=1 and timescale=50. Thats all timing info I can find from the data by using h264_parse.

Now, my problem is: The video plays smooth with correct frame rate only for picture of type a). For type b), the playback slows down by a factor of two. So, I have a video which is either perfect or in slow motion in any dshow player.

My question is, is there something I could take into account when trying to fix the case? I'm not sure if I have provided sufficiently information, or if this eventually has got anything to do with CoreAVC - it happens to be the only sufficiently powerful decorer I have capable of reveiling this timing issue anyways.

Thanks and br,
emmel

[BetaBoy]

Hi,

I would like to ask a small question considering the timing of interlaced h264 when played with CoreAVC.

I have a couple of mp4-files containing interlaced h264. The content is obtained from a local satellite test transmission, demultiplexed into h264, and finally wrapped in a mp4 container with fps=25.

The h264 contains two kinds of 1-2 min sets following each other in a loop. According to the in picture timing sei message the sets consist of a) pict_type=1 and pict_type=2 and b) pict_type=3. In both sets, the clock_timestamp_flag is set to zero. In both cases the vui params num_units_in_tick=1 and timescale=50. Thats all timing info I can find from the data by using h264_parse.

Now, my problem is: The video plays smooth with correct frame rate only for picture of type a). For type b), the playback slows down by a factor of two. So, I have a video which is either perfect or in slow motion in any dshow player.

My question is, is there something I could take into account when trying to fix the case? I'm not sure if I have provided sufficiently information, or if this eventually has got anything to do with CoreAVC - it happens to be the only sufficiently powerful decorer I have capable of reveiling this timing issue anyways.

Thanks and br,
emmel

Are you using the Haali splitter? or another third party one?

[emmel]

It is the Haali splitter (and no, "force fake 25 fps" in the splitter options does not fix the issue).

[ravemax]

@anisota: I build an XBMC mplayer.dll with your patch applied, but doesn't work on the Xbox. That's probably because I had to remove the "//" before "#ifdef WIN32_LOADER / #endif".
Guess I have to wait for a Linux version.

[Inventive Software]

Hey there! I'm really interested in this, as I downloaded one of the very early betas for TCPMP. However, my question is simple. Is there a free version of the DirectShow decoder? I read something about it earlier in the thread, and I don't have time to read 500 odd posts to see what! All I wanna do is play standard definition non-interlaced AVC content on my not-brilliant PC. CoreAVC does that (miraculously!) Can you gimme any info please?

[Eretria-chan]

No free version available...
But they aren't expensive. Check the homepage...

[emmel]

Are you using the Haali splitter? or another third party one?

I was able to do some verification with a more powerful computer and found out that some other filters seem to play the interlaced content corretly.

To me it seems that if only simple vui timing info is available, and if there is a sequence of fields followed by a sequence of frames (even if they are correctly marked in the sei), they all get played with the same number of ticks/field = ticks/frame. I'm not an expert here, this is just a guess, but it at least seems like that when watching the output.

Anyways, I was able to solve the problem by running the output through Avisynth with a fixed fps=25, or by adding an additional dshow frame rate converted between the CoreAVC and renderer. The output is then 100% perfect.

emmel

ps. I'll add for reference a more detailed description of the timing info (by h264_parse):

- For field based sequences::
ref 0 type 6 SEI
payload_type: 1 pic_timing
payload_size: 1 0x14
pict_struct: 1
clock_timestamp_flag[0]: 0

ref 0 type 6 SEI
payload_type: 1 pic_timing
payload_size: 1 0x24
string is "$"
pict_struct: 2
clock_timestamp_flag[0]: 0

-For frame based sequences:
ref 0 type 6 SEI
payload_type: 1 pic_timing
payload_size: 1 0x32
string is "2"
pict_struct: 3
clock_timestamp_flag[0]: 0
clock_timestamp_flag[1]: 0

-Vui timing info:
timing_info_present_flag: 1
num_units_in_tick: 1
time_scale: 50
fixed_frame_scale: 1

[Revgen]

@BetaBoy

I just bought your decoder and the speed is great. I was able to encode a 1280x720@60FPS (Basketball game) .ts file with X264 using just about all the b-frame settings,High Profile, CABAC, 0:0 deblocking, 6 subme, and everything else at defaults and play it back smoothly on my AMD 4600+ Dual Core.

Unfortunately I'm experiencing graphical errors when playing with Zoom Player. When I first start playing the video it plays upside down and the colorspace is screwed up. However, after the video is done playing and Zoom Player restarts it automaticaly again, it looks fine. Fortunately, the video is only 11 secs and it ends and restarts pretty quickly. This wouldn't be good for longer videos.


You can download the file at http://rapidshare.de/files/18504471/luke.mkv.html

[emmel]

Managed to craete a small sample for the interlacing problem:

http://rapidshare.de/files/18508978/hdf.mp4.html

The first 5 secs of the clip play badly, the last 5 secs play well.

[Revgen]

Don't you mean "decode" ;)

No I meant "encode". Just how I wrote it. I was describing the clip that I encoded for playback purposes. Read the paragraph again.

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy

I just bought your decoder and the speed is great. I was able to encode a 1280x720@60FPS (Basketball game) .ts file with X264 using just about all the b-frame settings,High Profile, CABAC, 0:0 deblocking, 6 subme, and everything else at defaults and play it back smoothly on my AMD 4600+ Dual Core.

Unfortunately I'm experiencing graphical errors when playing with Zoom Player. When I first start playing the video it plays upside down and the colorspace is screwed up. However, after the video is done playing and Zoom Player restarts it automaticaly again, it looks fine. Fortunately, the video is only 11 secs and it ends and restarts pretty quickly. This wouldn't be good for longer videos.


You can download the file at http://rapidshare.de/files/18504471/luke.mkv.html

Did you try to switch colorspace to see if this has any effect? in teh mean time... i'll download the clip and give it a test.

[Revgen]

I can't switch colorspace. X264 only supports YV12 encodes. The colorspace and the upsidedown picture is fine once Zoomplayer automatically replays it. The problem has to be either my Dual Core CPU, videocard drivers, or the codec itself.

Oh that reminds me.

Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra w/71.89 drivers.

EDIT:

Okay, I found a solution. Apparently the native overlay colorspace convertor is screwy. So I enabled FFDShow's by choosing Raw Video--> "all supported" in the FFDShow video decoder page. Zoomplayer now uses FFDShows convertor instead. So, now the video no longer looks upside down and no longer has color issues.

[puffpio]

I havnet used CoreAVC since the beta, but has image quality improved? Back then the decoder seemed to be really efficient, but at the cost of image quality. Of particular note was blocking/banding of solid colors or gradients in dark areas that other decoders did not show (ie a flat wall w/ a gradiant of low light...)

[tomos]

from the 1st public alpha/beta that i tried i didnt notice a single problem with image quality versus ffdshow/nero showtime. truth be told, the only probs i have ever had with this decoder is the audio sync part.

can you show some shots of what you've noticed? with coreavc and some other codec to show? i'm curious if i am just not noticing these things :D

[Avish]

@Betaboy, sorry If I'm being rude, but What do I have to do to get a simple reply from u? I posted a simple question here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=810623#post810623, but no reply for 2 weeks! So I sent PM to u 2-3 days back, & still havn't got any answer!! So pls tell me what is it that'll bring me your reply?:rolleyes:

Sorry again for the rudeness but I've waited long enough.

[videomixer9]

h264 decoders are supposed to output all exactly the same quality, however most decoders except for ffdshow maybe don't output YV12 and there's plenty of older crappy gfx card that have YV12 problems.

[puffpio]

I havnet used CoreAVC since the beta, but has image quality improved? Back then the decoder seemed to be really efficient, but at the cost of image quality. Of particular note was blocking/banding of solid colors or gradients in dark areas that other decoders did not show (ie a flat wall w/ a gradiant of low light...)
I dont have the sample with me...it was a 1280x720 @ 24fps (ie 24P) encode of an episode of 24 I did as a test using x264 w/ one of Sharktooth's high quality profiles...it was a dark room and the wall of the room was a flat color or had a slight gradiant...

when I played it in tcpmp w/ coreavc I got blocking on the wall...when I played it with ffdshow in media player classic, the wall was smooth....

so not sure...

[CEC]

I've done some tests with MPC+FFDSHOW, MPC+COREAVC, VLC-0.8.6-svn-20060421-0000 and here are some results:

MPC+FFDSHOW = 20~23 CPU :rolleyes:

MPC+COREAVC = 16~19 CPU :p

VLC = 10~13 CPU :cool:


Vlc seems to beat coreavc!!! Can someone else do some tests with vlc??

I have a 3 ghz pentium 4 HT

[MrWizard]

They must have made some serious improvements. Past builds of VLC were outperformed by CoreAVC, at least in my tests. Have you messed around with the various renderers? That can significantly impact the results you get with MPC.

[GmorG McRoth]

I'd be happy to test but I can't realy... I dont have coreavc and I can't find VLC-0.8.6-svn-20060421 best I found was vlc-0.8.5-test3

also what was your test video? was it an movie trailer I could download?

-edit-

Dear lord I just tested vlc-0.8.5-test3 against old Coreavc alpha and difrence was great! with VLC i had 0-1% usage and from mpc with coreavc alpha it was 9-30% WOW

I need to get some higher resolution test sample (heads to apple trailers page)

--edit---
on second test it was 6-9% for VLC I had to mess something up for first test (like watching wrong program cpu usage percentage)

[emmel]

Hmm.. actually yes. At least with 720p the performance is quite equal, maybe vlc is even better. The problem is, that vlc still dies with most of my clips, whereas CoreAVC does not. Well, they are mostly interlaced and tv-originated and less popular formats anyways.

[IgorC]

Guys, VLN uses open source libraries of H.264 decoder which is very slow right now.

Most probably your videocards support H.264 hardware aceleration. That's why VLN doesn't use CPU.

Without hard. ac. it's very slow
http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/win32/

[GmorG McRoth]

I have geforce Fx 5700 no hardware h.264 acceleration there.

[IgorC]

Sure? http://es.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_84.21_es.html

Just think. AVC 0-1% . Is it possbile? Even not a misc. doubt that is videocard.

[GmorG McRoth]

Support for high definition H.264 hardware decode acceleration on GeForce 6 and 7 series GPUs.

mine is generation 5... (sob)

resolution of video I tested was low (480x360 25.00fps). so it's possible that audio decoder had influence. I'm downloading high res trailer now.

[IgorC]

look . I have VLN 22d of april and it's slow as hell.

[breez]

IgorC: I don't think the open source decoders in VideoLAN support hardware acceleration at all. But anyway, 0-1% doesn't seem right either.

[GmorG McRoth]

I retested to duble check and it seems I just watched wrong program CPU usage indicator -_- sorry for missinforming. it was 6-9% this time

with cars-tlr_1_h1080p.mov (renamed to mp4 and played) trailer: VLC 26%-43% (with spikes to point of video freeze), MPC+CoreAVC 24%-40% (mostly under 30%)

CPU= prescott 3.0 GHz HT

not so Impressive, seems like I again jumped the gun.

[BetaBoy]

I've done some tests with MPC+FFDSHOW, MPC+COREAVC, VLC-0.8.6-svn-20060421-0000 and here are some results:

MPC+FFDSHOW = 20~23 CPU :rolleyes:

MPC+COREAVC = 16~19 CPU :p

VLC = 10~13 CPU :cool:


Vlc seems to beat coreavc!!! Can someone else do some tests with vlc??

I have a 3 ghz pentium 4 HT

Can you please enighten me with you testing methods, the clip that you used and the version of CoreAVC you tested with please?

[Revgen]

I've done some tests with MPC+FFDSHOW, MPC+COREAVC, VLC-0.8.6-svn-20060421-0000 and here are some results:

MPC+FFDSHOW = 20~23 CPU :rolleyes:

MPC+COREAVC = 16~19 CPU :p

VLC = 10~13 CPU :cool:


Vlc seems to beat coreavc!!! Can someone else do some tests with vlc??

I have a 3 ghz pentium 4 HT

These are strange results.

I have the CoreAVC professional version. I can say with certainty that both VLC and CoreAVC play Standard Definition (720x480, 24fps, 2000kbps, HP,CABAC, all b-frame options) H264 files at about the same CPU usage according to the taskbar.

High Definition (1280x720, 60fps, 6500kbps, HP, CABAC, all b-frame options) files can't hardly be played at all with VLC player but play smooth in CoreAVC by using my Dual-Core CPU.


All I can think of is that this problem may be related to HyperThreading. I remember reading articles talking about how HyperThreading sometimes slows down system performance.

[JoeBG]

I have the CoreAVC professional version.

I bought this version too. But I only got a e-mail with a download for a Test Version. Is this correct?

[sjchmura]

Suddenly FFDShow is crushing the old 0.4 build of coreavc. Did they change it or break it? I need to look carefully but it lookd very very very good

[soresu]

Something is seroiusly wrong here, I have religiously checked my e-mail account since wednesday when I was told that my download link e-mail was being resent, and yet still nothing!

Is there problems with the payment system or something? Inquiring minds NEED to know!

[CEC]

Can you please enighten me with you testing methods, the clip that you used and the version of CoreAVC you tested with please?

I used a movie I have at 688x288 25fps vorbis audio mkv container

The CoreAVC version was 0.0.0.4!!! You haven't released any trial of your latest to test with!!! :sly: But anyway, how much big differnce is going to have from your old alpha version in speed???

The version of vlc I tested can use both virtual cores (HT) of my CPU!!!

[videomixer9]

Something is seroiusly wrong here, I have religiously checked my e-mail account since wednesday when I was told that my download link e-mail was being resent, and yet still nothing!

Is there problems with the payment system or something? Inquiring minds NEED to know!

Sounds like a usual problem with crappy email providers. Btw. CoreAVC domain is still in many blocklists, not only blocklists like ipfilter.dat by several providers but also others :P Seems the IP range was assigned to some weird site before ...

[siddharthagandhi]

How come people with Dual Core processors are having trouble decoding HD content when I can play HD content and encode in HD at the same time using Nero Showtime on my Pentium 4 3.4 ghz processor with HT and my 1.5 GB of Ram. Its not a dual core processor that I have.

[BetaBoy]

I bought this version too. But I only got a e-mail with a download for a Test Version. Is this correct?
The test version is the PRO Edition that we had to manually send emails to.

[BetaBoy]

I used a movie I have at 688x288 25fps vorbis audio mkv container

The CoreAVC version was 0.0.0.4!!! You haven't released any trial of your latest to test with!!! :sly: But anyway, how much big differnce is going to have from your old alpha version in speed???

The version of vlc I tested can use both virtual cores (HT) of my CPU!!!
CEC... thats what I thought... please do NOT post any results for 0.0.4. You are confusing results with the current 1.0 version.

Results w/o HT are about a 10%... add HT and add another 10%. Add SMP and it drops significantly. Results will vary per system.

[BetaBoy]

Sounds like a usual problem with crappy email providers. Btw. CoreAVC domain is still in many blocklists, not only blocklists like ipfilter.dat by several providers but also others :P Seems the IP range was assigned to some weird site before ...
You are correct..... we are in the middle of moving to a DIFF subnet on our host. This will eliminate issues like this.

Anybody not receiving emails with their download can email me betaboy@corecodec.com with their email address and the PayPal transaction ID and i'll handle it.

[nm]

How come people with Dual Core processors are having trouble decoding HD content when I can play HD content and encode in HD at the same time using Nero Showtime on my Pentium 4 3.4 ghz processor with HT and my 1.5 GB of Ram. Its not a dual core processor that I have.
Encoding at the same time doesn't matter much since the encoding process is most likely executed at a much lower priority. Or at least it should be. What kind of HD content have you tested? Your processor should have a hard time with High profile 1080p24, at least with other decoders than CoreAVC. Depending on the player, this can be experienced as A/V sync problems or dropped frames.

Edit: Try this (at 720p and 1080p): http://trailer.nerodigital.com/eng/The_Greatest_Game_Ever_Played.html

[BetaBoy]

Encoding at the same time doesn't matter much since the encoding process is most likely executed at a much lower priority. Or at least it should be. What kind of HD content have you tested? Your processor should have a hard time with High profile 1080p24, at least with other decoders than CoreAVC. Depending on the player, this can be experienced as A/V sync problems or dropped frames.
Speaking of dropped frames.... in 1.1 we are adding a dropped frames option to DS.

[ravemax]

@BetaBoy:
Already an decision with regards to the Linux/Unix release format? E.g. universal, dynamic library with an FFMPEG like interface, or an application (e.g. mplayer) plugin?

[HookedOnTV]

So I tested the VLC vs CoreAVC. On my 1.6 Pentium M I can play the King Kong trailer with Core and it plays smooth at about 95% CPU. Using the latest VLC build dated 4/22 CPU is pegged at 100% and playback is less than real time.

[Revgen]

I used a movie I have at 688x288 25fps vorbis audio mkv container

The CoreAVC version was 0.0.0.4!!! You haven't released any trial of your latest to test with!!! :sly: But anyway, how much big differnce is going to have from your old alpha version in speed???

The version of vlc I tested can use both virtual cores (HT) of my CPU!!!

The speed difference is quite noticable. Especially at HD resoultions using using SMP with my AMD 4600+. The decoder clearly uses both cores when processing these clips. DVD resolution clips aren't going to show much difference though.

CoreAVC 0.0.0.4 doesn't even hold a candle to this new version.

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy:
Already an decision with regards to the Linux/Unix release format? E.g. universal, dynamic library with an FFMPEG like interface, or an application (e.g. mplayer) plugin?
Well... let me speak more of a general perspective on the player side, then of our plans for CoreAVC.

We are working on several versions of CorePlayer and BetaPlayer for Linux atm which will feature CoreAVC Professional Edition. Those being GTK, QT, QTopia, JUCE, and a native version for Linux based PMP's utilizing our CoreTheque DB (see http://www.coretheque.com ) and our upcoming SVG interface for CorePlayer 1.xx.

But more specific to your question... we are going to have a more 'Universal' approach for our codecs (CoreMP3, CoreASP, CoreAAC v2, CoreAVC, CoreAC3, CoreDTS, CoreAVS) on Linux with Libraries/Headers and API documentation... but this is more targeted to our much LARGER goal of a possible Open Source alternative to FFMPEG which i'll talk about more over the few months as the encoder side of our codecs matures.

[jblade]

Is it at all likely we will see a codec for the XBMC (Xbox Media Center, which is based off of mplayer) relatively soon?

[starg4ze]

Is it at all likely we will see a codec for the XBMC (Xbox Media Center, which is based off of mplayer) relatively soon?

We are alot of people DYING to have CoreAVC for XBMC...

Hey BetaBoy...Who do I pay? How much? Will you accept my wife as a downpayment?:D

[CobraX]

First of all I wanna say that I hate paying for a "decoder". But I'm considering buying CoreAVC Standard or Pro. I have never used PayPal before but I have a Visa card so this won't be a problem.

I still have a few questions though:

1) Do you get lifetime free updates for the version you buy (like with e.g. DVD Rebuilder Pro)?
2) Do you just download an installer and receive a serial? Or is there a key system like with DVD Rebuilder Pro? I'm asking this cause I want to use it on all of my PCs now and in the near future (for now I only have 2 desktops and 1 laptop).
3) I'm using CoreAVC Alpha 0.0.0.4 now and 1080p trailers from apple.com don't run decently on my Athlon64 3000+@3200+ with 1 GB RAM. Is there a big speed improvement in the 1.0 version?
4) I read something about CoreAVC users getting CoreAAC 2.0 for free? Can someone give me some more info about this?
5) I've also read something about a new account system (for ordering CoreAVC). Maybe I can better wait for this account system to get active before ordering CoreAVC?

Thanks in advance

CobraX

[CEC]

1)no

2)you Download The Installer! It Has Licenturion Protection!

3)yes

4)what More Info? You Get The Latest Version Of Coreaac!

5)there Is No Reason!

[tomos]

hmm, will have to check out this coreaac thing, havent heard much and dont know really what the big deal about aac is :)

Dan,

any guesstimates about the encoder? i am curious as to its potential and how far along you've gotten

[CobraX]

Pfff I've just read a bit about that Licenturion. Those extreme protections with activation stuff etc make it a big hassle and can demotivate possible buyers (like me). I just don't like the fact that you have to connect to some "strange" source (internet) to activate your software (feels like intrusion of my privacy). What if you upgrade your PC every year (or buy a new PC every year and sell your current one to stay up-to-date) and your software will only work with e.g. 3 hardware IDs? Then you're f*cked.

Also I don't like paying 19,99 USD every 6 months for a new version of CoreAVC Pro. I thought the developers didn't do it for the money (but to keep other companies from "stealing" their sourcecode). I guess I was a bit wrong here. :( Maybe I'd be better of buying a faster cpu then. :(

Over and out for now

A bit disappointed CobraX...

[jthunder]

We are alot of people DYING to have CoreAVC for XBMC...

Hey BetaBoy...Who do I pay? How much? Will you accept my wife as a downpayment?:D

I second this motion - this is one of the best uses of such a codec where the machine is cpu limited (I can't wait to find out how high a bitrate we can jam through xbmx)

Please update us on this!!!

Thanks.

[BetaBoy]

We are expecting our suite of encoders by the end of the summer to match our decoders (CoreMP3, CoreASP, CoreAVC).

As stated a few times in this thread... all 1.xx get 1.xx upgrades. Once the Core Account system is up you will be able to upgrade any of our non-Open Source products you have purchased.

2.0 is a way off but we have already been working on the framework for it even before 1.0 was finalized.

XBMC version of CoreAVC will not happen anytime soon as we spoke specifically with the devels of XBMC and were not able to work on a solution.

BTW... your 4 months too late for the 'wife' offer... as I am now on wife version 2.0 . . . thx anyway ;-)

[BetaBoy]

On CoreAAC v2.0.... All current CoreAVC users will gets this as a part of their CoreAVC 1.0 purchase...

We will have two releases for CoreAAC v2.0... 1st release will be a plain jane AAC decoder and be available in about 2 weeks.. 2nd release will be HE/SBR, however this version will not come out till after CorePlayer 1.0 is launched in June.

[remlap]

BBC have began thier HD tests on Astra 2 in DVBviewer of course theres an error needing MBAFF.

Is there away to get this working?

Cheers.

[xkodi]

BBC have began thier HD tests on Astra 2 in DVBviewer of course theres an error needing MBAFF.

Is there away to get this working?

Cheers.

there is also another problem with DVBViewer:

The CoreAVC relies on the resolution reported by the DVBViewer Filter when connecting to it. Obviously it doesn't evaluate the resolution info in the video headers (in contrast to all up-to-date MPEG2 video decoders)...

more here:

http://www.dvbviewer.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9206&st=75#

and the picture looks strange (HDForum, 11240MHz, Hotbird 13.0E) :

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8318/coreavcdvbviwer5jh.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coreavcdvbviwer5jh.jpg)

i hope soon there will be a solution to that problem too

[Avish]

Any news about trial version?? :D

[saratoga]

XBMC version of CoreAVC will not happen anytime soon as we spoke specifically with the devels of XBMC and were not able to work on a solution.



What was the issue? GPL licenseing or similar?

A fast decoder for XBMC would be amazing. I've been secretly hopeing it would happen since you guys annouced the beta test.

[starg4ze]

Regarding the XBMC version of CoreAVC and licencemodels.

The important thing is not how the codec is distributed. If there is problem with mplayers/xbmc licensemodel, don't distribute it with it then. Make a package that every user have to install on their xbox by them self. The important thin is that it should not require more work than copying the dll and changing a few rows in a script.

How hard can it be to compile the decoder with the XBOX SDK?:confused:

[Gnerma]

I doubt the problem is technical starg4ze. Reading between betaboy's lines money seems to be the sticking point between the two parties.

[BetaBoy]

I doubt the problem is technical starg4ze. Reading between betaboy's lines money seems to be the sticking point between the two parties.
Its nothing complicated... and it was never about money... and it was on the development side of things.... and to be fair thats all I can really say on it.

[MaxL]

hmm, still no other way to buy CoreAVC but F...... PayPal :(

[Gnerma]

Its nothing complicated... and it was never about money... and it was on the development side of things.... and to be fair thats all I can really say on it.Fair enough. I apologize if I offended you with that comment. So when can pro owners expect an update? Ok ok I'm sorry, you don't have to answer that :D

[ChronoCross]

well since no one has responded to my bugreport on your page hopefully here it will get some attention.

Lossless decoding in coreavc does not work. 2 different samples. one in mkv, one in mp4 different resolutions. they work fine using ffdshow, and nero showtime 3. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.

[BetaBoy]

well since no one has responded to my bugreport on your page hopefully here it will get some attention.

Lossless decoding in coreavc does not work. 2 different samples. one in mkv, one in mp4 different resolutions. they work fine using ffdshow, and nero showtime 3. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.
CC... I saw the bug report on the tracker.... i'll look into it... thx for the report.

[popper]

will someone with the tech skills and knowlage please go this
thead "MPEG2, X264, Xvid HD 1080i - The Lowdown "
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=65336
and correct these guys posts with the right information and
insight please.

his main source of info seems to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ and even then makes reference to mpeg4 without explaining the parts2 and 10 and lumping them all together to the conclusion that mpeg2 is best for HD.

im just now becoming wiser with the help of this board and
some BBC tech peoples posts elseware as regards HD PAL and NTSC etc but this thread above just grates on my head that its so wong to to state something as conclusive without reading up on it and especially the fact that he's trying to pass it off as "the LOWDOWN" without what seems much clue
about even the correct names and how they fit together and the timeline, never mind the passing off xvid as a H.264, arrrr

some PAL 50hz HD posts and how they relate to good down conversion would be most welcome to there please.

[Revgen]

First of all, there isn't a "best" codec for HD material. MPEG2 and AVC have their distinct advantages.

Second of all, MPEG2 bit-for-bit video quality generally doesn't measure up to AVC. But, it also doesn't require as much CPU resources, and genrally would be better suited for those who don't have CoreAVC and a Dual-Core CPU. And finally, MPEG2 editing solutions are more widely available than AVC editing solutions, and at less cost. Whether MPEG2 or AVC is "best" is up to you.

[siddharthagandhi]

What about VC-1....you're leaving out what currently is #1 in HD encoding

[ChronoCross]

#1 for commercial solutions. It's certainly not the best codec.

[ryoohki360]

#1 for commercial solutions. It's certainly not the best codec.

Well we don't have acces to that codec. It's the 2005 revision of the original WMVHD Codec, i know that added B frames and 3 pass rendering , it's 'closer' than h264.

[ChronoCross]

I would imagine that x264 will be shown superior come time for testing.

[siddharthagandhi]

Hey BetaBoy I wasn't able to play the HD file you gave me the link to last week (greatest game ever played). Guess I might have to buy your decoder eventually. But....I'll wait a little while, because I have no immediate need to decode HD and there might be good freeware and open source solutions in the future.... :P

[IgorC]

please don't pollute the forum with open source and commercial projects wars.
Five minutes ago you were crazy about to probe VC-1 Microsoft . Commercial project N1 not only here but in the world.

[siddharthagandhi]

i'm not starting a war that was totally friendly comment

thats why i have the smiley and i said "might"

[BetaBoy]

funny... it was ot me who sent you that link.. it was SMD...

[siddharthagandhi]

Oh it was?... lol i forget.....my memory sucks....

[blubberbirne]

@BetaBoy

It the actually version of coreavc ready to work with dvb-s2 cards?
e.g. KNC-ONE DVB-S2?

[BetaBoy]

your referring to TS support and MBAFF interlaced... Haali has indicated his splitter should soon support it and MBAFF will be added in a few weeks to our Pro Edition.

[eLupus]

about the xbmc integration.. i think we and the core devs kinda stumbled on understanding what the other wanted :). As far as i know, there wasn't really any direct contact between devs, only "intermediaries".

Generally our problem with supporting the coreavc decoder, is that the only available one is directshow based, wich kinda is a pain to support under any other operating system than windows. There is a wrapper in the mplayer version that we use, but it's far from complete and doesn't work for CoreAVC directshow filter as it is now. The thought of writing our own emulator for this to use in our alternate player has come to mind, thou has not been done yet.

Registry dependancy is abit complicated too, however can be handled.

A though for the CoreAVC people would be to provide an alternate interface for decoding than using directshow.. Possibly even providing docs on how the coreplayer interfaces with the decoder as I kinda assume that is simpler than ds. On our part a windows precompiled dll is no problem, aslong as it doesn't have gui dependancies in use during init or decoding as those are painfull to emulate. I suppose just creating a new interface for use ith XBMC is more work than what you can expect it to return, however refactoring the code to support more operating system, could definatly increase the return.

Licencing issues shouldn't be any real problem aslong as the interface for the dll is available under some gpl compatible format ( see no reason for it not being free for all, as it only would increase support for your product and increase sales )

We are still very interested in supporting the decoder.

<edit> verified once more and it stumbled on the idea to do some mutual exchange of help. at that time none of our devs had any time or interest in what coreavc had in mind. so i guess we are somewhat to blame here </edit>

/Team-XBMC

[bkman]

I hope you don't mind me asking, Betaboy, but what kind of hardware requirement will the upcoming GPU acceleration have? Any PS2.0 card? Or higher?

[ACrowley]

I hope you don't mind me asking, Betaboy, but what kind of hardware requirement will the upcoming GPU acceleration have? Any PS2.0 card? Or higher?


yeah....and what about "GPU support added later" ?

3Month....6Month, 1 Year ??

[tomos]

right now, i havent seen anyone, anywhere who has this working on nvidia cards :(

[futurex]

you're going to need a card that actually handles H264 acceleration, eg geforce 7 series and ATI X1300 and up

[Revgen]

your referring to TS support and MBAFF interlaced... Haali has indicated his splitter should soon support it and MBAFF will be added in a few weeks to our Pro Edition.

CoreAVC can currently read TS files using the latest version of MPC which comes bundled with it's own TS reader.

[BetaBoy]

Sure.... but to be honest imho its still second to Haali's splitter.

[pankov]

that's good, but when will this splitter be available?
will it be free or it will come only bundled with CoreAVC?

btw
how is the work on the alternative payment methods going? Can we expect it any time soon?

[Shinigami-Sama]

halii has always been free to the best of my recollection

[pankov]

I know that the current version is free and I hope that even this version specially developed with/for Core developers will still be free ... but who knows

[Shinjite]

I am using CoreAVC 1.0.0, and I am using MPC to play my files, normally when I seek, it lags a bit, issit normal?

[GodofaGap]

Yes, this is normal.

Say you have a GOP of 150 frames long and you seek to the 100th frame. The decoder will first have to decode the 99 preceding frames and, of course, you can't expect it to do this instantaneously.

[Shinjite]

Oh okay thanks for explaining bro :)

Oh yeah another question, is the CoreAVC 1.0.0.0 anyhow faster in decoding than the beat version?

[starlabs]

Yes, this is normal.

Say you have a GOP of 150 frames long and you seek to the 100th frame. The decoder will first have to decode the 99 preceding frames and, of course, you can't expect it to do this instantaneously.


I get a lag (well, more of a speedup of playback followed by a possible playback repeat of the prior 2 seconds or so) if I use the Haali splitter.

If I use the Nero splitter, no such issues. This is with Nero-encoded h.264 content of course. I'm assuming Nero knows something about it's own format/streams to "prevent" this?

I'll like to use Haali as I feel it has more features, but this issue (and another regarding aspect ratio that appears on Haali but not on Nero) has me sticking to the Nero splitter...

[Dethis]

Oh okay thanks for explaining bro :)

Oh yeah another question, is the CoreAVC 1.0.0.0 anyhow faster in decoding than the beat version?

OK you could search this thread.. but it is huge

Depends on the case

Coreavc 1.0 is 1%-2% (Betaboy says) faster than previous directshow (2006-13-01) but if your CPU is HyperThread capable its 15% faster.
Coreavc 1.0 Pro can be about 2X or 4X faster on 2 or 4 CPU (cores) systems

Corecodecs TCPMP 0.71-0.72 with avc.plg was 15-20% faster than directshow version (in my case : P4 2400, no HT)

I am looking forward the upcoming CorePlayer to catch the ultimate speed with my current CPU.

[Scoty]

how can use CoreAVC pro with MPC ? ok i have re-register but MPC will only use Haali Video Renderer. when i disabled the intern decoder from MPC i use standart MPG2 Decoder, with enabled i use Haalis Renderer but not the CoreAVC.

[jblade]

about the xbmc integration.. i think we and .......
<edit> verified once more and it stumbled on the idea to do some mutual exchange of help. at that time none of our devs had any time or interest in what coreavc had in mind. so i guess we are somewhat to blame here </edit>

/Team-XBMC

Hopefully we will see chatt continue then between the two. Who knows maybe even eventually, we shall see a similiar quicktime alternative, that will rename the movies to .hdmov so that coreavc will be used on the xbox. It seems that the main problem is the lack of linux support in coreavc, but it seems that very soon that will not be a problem.

[Nick [D]vB]

Hello again,

Sorry to keep on about this but I’m going to give it one last shot. I appreciate you have set an internal development schedule according to your available resources and perceived demands of the marketplace but I just won’t to make sure you are fully aware of the current situation in the UK as I feel there is a potentially huge and, as of yet, untapped market for you here.

I’m sure you are aware the BBC have just started an HD trail across all platforms, it will show a wide range of programming but without question the biggest attraction will be the football World Cup which starts in just under a month. There has been a lot of media coverage of the trail and specifically the fact the major providers have massively underestimated demand for equipment that can receive it. Watch the short national News segments here for the background:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/4752017.stm

Basically the only cable provider offering the service, called TeleWest, is currently only available to a small number of homes in the UK. The other major player is $ky satellite, it has enough kit but is having trouble training enough installers in time, and now can not install any systems until after the World Cup has finished. :mad:

If I’m boarding you just bear with me a minute this next bit is crucially important. The BBC had also started a DVB-T trail which would let a large part of London receive the same HD programs through a normal TV aerial. BUT the BBC has chosen to run this as a closed trail [due to bandwidth limitations and other “political issues” with the regulator OfCom] and so has only supplied 500 set-top decoders! The service is FTA and unencrypted but there are no other commercially available AVC DVB-T decoders that can be used to watch the service. :confused:

Because of this a PC based solution seems to be the ONLY option for many people wanting to watch the World Cup in HD this summer, and there are plenty of them! In fact it would be hard to over-estimate the demand here at the moment, I know hundreds of people currently looking for a real-time MBAFF decoding solution in time for the World Cup. According to tests I’ve done with the Elecard and Cyberlink decoders they are just not able to provide acceptable performance even on ultra high-end dual core A64FX based system with ATI X1900’s [using GPU acceleration]. I don’t know about NVIDIA’s acceleration performance but most report it is not working with most products in the latest drivers.

I am sure if you are able to provide a solution in time for the Worlds Cup [even a fuctioning beta release] you would have a massive number of customers, but the timing is critical, with your current development schedule MBAFF support would not be available until well after the World Cup has stated, I don’t want to jinks the team but should England be knocked out of the tournament in the early stages a large part of this potential market would just evaporate over–night. Let’s just hope they are still on form by the time you’ve got something ready! Well I’ve said my piece. I am not trying to tell you how to run your business; I just wanted to make sure you were fully aware of this opportunity. Keep up the good work guys – just go a bit faster… :D

Thanks,
Nick

[Revgen]

Nick,

I believe Betaboy addressed this earlier, but I'll try to explain it.

Core is a very, very, very small company. Right now, all of the demand from the doom9 forum has forced them to have to upgrade their purchasing system. But even that isn't helping. Ask Scoty about it.

I doubt that they would be able to supply decoders for everyone in Britain who has a computer and wants to watch the games.

Then again I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

PS
I think Betaboy mentioned that MBAFF support would come out next month. Doesn't the world cup start next month? If so, then it should be right on time.

[Nick [D]vB]

I believe Betaboy addressed this earlier, but I'll try to explain it.
He has, I don't mean to be a nuisance about it but I really want to make sure Core appreciate the scale of the potential market.

Core is a very, very, very small company. Right now, all of the demand from the doom9 forum has forced them to have to upgrade their purchasing system. But even that isn't helping. Ask Scoty about it.

I doubt that they would be able to supply decoders for everyone in Britain who has a computer and wants to watch the games
If it was really necessary couldn't they find a third-party distributor that could cope with a large demand in the short term?

I think Betaboy mentioned that MBAFF support would come out next month. Doesn't the world cup start next month? If so, then it should be right on time.

I was told it would be over 6 weeks, I'm not holding anyone to that because I suspect it was just an estimate. The world cup starts in about three weeks, to make matters worse the England team just lost one if its star players so weather we are still in the tournament by the time the codec is available is anyone’s guess. Also I think domestic and business customers would both want to see a workable solution before investing in hardware. I really hope they can get something together for us in time, and I know I'm not alone...

[BetaBoy]

Try we will but no promises... We have delayed CorePlayer long enough mostly for codec development. Yes we are small but we are probally gonna grow 4x in the next 2-3 months with all the devel that is going on here.

For Scoty... his issue was the emails flagged as 'spam' but to fix this we will let the user manage his/her account and download any upgrades available and hence why we have opted to devel a 'Core Account' system to do this. We will have no less then 20 products within the next year coming out and this seemed like the most logical step.

No worries as our testing for DVB-H with CorePlayer Mobile will commence the beginning of summer... so MBAFF is a big priority for us.

[fields_g]

We will have no less then 20 products within the next year coming out and this seemed like the most logical step.


Small yet very ambitious. Great Work!

[Nick [D]vB]

Try we will but no promises... so MBAFF is a big priority for us.

Thanks for getting back to me, we are counting on you.

I don't know you have seen this before but it makes very interesting reading!

http://www.behardware.com/news/8117/coreavc-stronger-than-avivo-purevideo.html

:D

[Ice =A=]

@Nick [D]vB: Very interresting indeed, thanks a lot!

[chros]

My guess the ddraw overlay mode didn't kick in or it couldn't use yv12 format. The fallback mode is kind of useless (unoptimized) at the moment. Fullscreen slowing down, means the player uses (fallback) software scaling.
I have no picture in fullscreen-overlay mode with MPC ... (VMR9 renderless works OK.)
Any idea ?
Thanks

[seftel]

so MBAFF is a big priority for us.

London is counting on you :)

Even an alpha release by the ninth would be awesome.

[Revgen]

vB']Thanks for getting back to me, we are counting on you.

I don't know you have seen this before but it makes very interesting reading!

http://www.behardware.com/news/8117/coreavc-stronger-than-avivo-purevideo.html

:D

I believe that this was found out earlier in these forums awhile back. But it's still good to know that somebody else did a test.

[Nick [D]vB]

I realise you guys just might have looked into it before... :D

I was really talking about this part:

ATI indicated us that the decompression engine used by Cyberlink's codec is still the one that was released in December and that in the meantime (4 months), a more efficient version has been integrated in the drivers. As it has a different interface, it can't be exploited by Cyberlink's codec. The older acceleration engine disappeared from the recently released Catalyst 6.4 version (we used the 6.3 for this test), so it means that they will no longer accelerate H.264 decoding. We will have to wait for the Catalyst 6.5 or 6.6 for the new engine to be exploited and/or exploitable. Cyberlink apparently don't want to change their codec, so ATI will have to find a way to use the new engine when the codec calls the previous one.

It looks like Cyberlink have ditched ATI and gotten into bed with NVIDIA, especially when you look at the 7900GTX performance in that test.

Neros acceleration performance is pathetic by comparison so you'd think someone else would want to get in on the act by now?

.

[Carpo]

dunno if this is the right place - i did search but didnt find anything of help

here goes:

a friend of mine has been singing the praises of this codec about how it uses less cpu is faster and such and got me interested, so i took a vid i backed up (i own the dvd :) ) using megui and neros aac audio encoder and tried playing the video on his pc.

The film is ong-bak and is 16:9 yet on his pc it plays back as a squashed up 4:3, is this an issue with the codec or the way i backed up the video.

More importantly is there a solution, as this is the only sticking point for me buying the codec

Thanks

[SeeMoreDigital]

The film is ong-bak and is 16:9 yet on his pc it plays back as a squashed up 4:3, is this an issue with the codec or the way i backed up the video.If your friend is using one of the official release versions of CoreAVC it is able to correctly recognise MPEG-4 AVC streams with aspect ratio signalling within the MP4 container. I'm not so sure about MPEG-4 AVC streams with aspect ratio signalling within the AVI container though!


Cheers

[Carpo]

its an mkv file - would that make any difference ?

[kurt]

not really, coreavc detects for example in this file (http://home.arcor.de/evil.bert/test/x264.2320.cqm.str2.tres3.hq.slowest.dar.mkv) the right AR.

[Carpo]

think its a prob my end then as i sent him that file and he says its playing in wide screen

way i made file

dgmpgdec146 to make d2v
megui to make avs (MeGUI-0.2.3.2136)
nero to make audio (new cli encoder)
megui to make .264/mkv output tried raw as some ppl said it might help
then used yamb(incase of raw 264 stream) to mux audio and video
mkvtools if mkv was used


also is http://corecodec.org/ working for anyone else - i keep getting errors here :(


edit: hes just told me hes ran it thru mkvmerge with the ratio of 16:9 set and remuxed it and its playing as 16:9 now with coreavc :) - now if i could just get to the core site ;)

[COREiP]

Sorry to ask but I haven't been around.. Is CoreAVC Decoder 0.0.0.4 the latest version?

[kurt]

no, the latest version is coreavc 1.0 wich you have to purchase on http://www.coreavc.com/ (wich is down atm)

btw: check the first post in this thread ;)

[BetaBoy]

no, the latest version is coreavc 1.0 wich you have to purchase on http://www.coreavc.com/ (wich is down atm)

btw: check the first post in this thread ;)

Sorry... its back up. Thx

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

BetaBoy, when you will allow to download trial version of CoreAVC 1.0?

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy, when you will allow to download trial version of CoreAVC 1.0?
To be honest... when its ready. If we roll out 1.1 as planned soon we can do it then.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

What are new features in version 1.1?

[ChronoCross]

What are new features in version 1.1?

hopefully anti-KRP shields. wait for the release. There will be a changelog.

[dust12]

Hi all,

Sorry for this probably stupid question (I'm a newbie with AVC). I'd like to record the HDTV transmissions BBC is planning on Astra2 for May 27 (the Planet Earth ones they announced), probably using DVBViewer, but don't have a working h.264 decoder installed yet. I own a AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+. Will the CoreAVC professional version actually use both cores, or does that feature maybe only work on Pentium dualcores? As there is no demo version, I cannot try it out...

Thanks in advance, Andy

[Revgen]

CoreAVC does use both cores.

As far as BBC transmissions go, CoreAVC currently cant help you even decode them yet because CoreAVC lacks support for MBAFF interlacing. Without MBAFF support, the video can't be decoded. Only PAFF interlacing is supported.

MBAFF is currently being worked on.

[Chainmax]

Just to be sure, there's no hope for the CoreAVC decoder appearing in XBMC, right?

[chros]

I have no picture in fullscreen-overlay mode with MPC ... (VMR9 renderless works OK.)
I don't know what went wrong back then, but it's working now...
So sorry to bother you ...

[Nikos76]

Hello

I have downloaded an AVC clip from this link:
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/05/06/ibuypower_19inch_sli_notebook/

It's an interview from Tom's Hardware site for a new laptop.

It does not play with CoreAVC 0.0.0.4 AND 1.0.0.0

With PowerDVD and others, plays just fine!

Does anyone know why?

Is it my configuration or a bug in CoreAVC?

[BetaBoy]

I'll look into it... thx

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'll look into it... thxJust have.... the source file looks borked: -Track # 2 Info - TrackID 2 - TimeScale 30000 - Duration 00:01:44.237
Media Info: Language "English" - Type "vide" - Sub Type "avc1" - 3124 samples
Handler name: Video Media Handler
MPEG-4 Config
Visual Stream - ObjectTypeIndication 0x21
AVC/H264 Video - Visual Size 720 x 480 - Profile Main @ Level 2.2
Pixel Aspect Ratio 1:1 - Indicated track size 720 x 480
Decoding Buffer size 0 - Average bitrate 0 kbps - Max Bitrate 0 kbps
No stream dependencies for decoding
StreamPriority 0The bitrate information is missing :scared:

[Revgen]

VLC player played it fine. Not too surprising though. VLC player tends to not be as strict about how files are structured. CoreAVC can be problematic with files that aren't specified correctly like the half-field issue I described here (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=2751.msg16660#msg16660) and here (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=2751.msg16669#msg16669).

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'm more intrigued to know what type of encoding application can generate borked encodes such as this in the first place!

[Nikos76]

The clip plays fine with:

VLC
PowerDVD
WinDVD
Nero ShowTime AND
libavcodec from ffdshow!

[SeeMoreDigital]

The clip plays fine with:

VLC
PowerDVD
WinDVD
Nero ShowTime AND
libavcodec from ffdshow!Be that as it may.... the source file is still borked... as it should contain the bit-rate information ;)

[Gnerma]

The file may not have all standard headers, but does a decoder really need to know the average bitrate to decode a file properly? And in any case is that really the problem here? I'm not trying to imply anything with these questions, I really don't know :p

[Shinigami-Sama]

If it doesnt know the average, how is it going to know how muchto buffer?

[Gnerma]

I suppose you'd have to ask the developers of...

VLC
PowerDVD
WinDVD
Nero ShowTime AND
libavcodec from ffdshow!
... that question.

[BetaBoy]

Just have.... the source file looks borked: -Track # 2 Info - TrackID 2 - TimeScale 30000 - Duration 00:01:44.237
Media Info: Language "English" - Type "vide" - Sub Type "avc1" - 3124 samples
Handler name: Video Media Handler
MPEG-4 Config
Visual Stream - ObjectTypeIndication 0x21
AVC/H264 Video - Visual Size 720 x 480 - Profile Main @ Level 2.2
Pixel Aspect Ratio 1:1 - Indicated track size 720 x 480
Decoding Buffer size 0 - Average bitrate 0 kbps - Max Bitrate 0 kbps
No stream dependencies for decoding
StreamPriority 0The bitrate information is missing :scared:

SMD... good catch ;-)... This is a know issue... if you want to really say it is an issue. I'd like to know as well what was used to encode this?

Revgen... I have listed the half-field issue and will try and get it in 1.1

[Revgen]

SMD... good catch ;-)... This is a know issue... if you want to really say it is an issue. I'd like to know as well what was used to encode this?

You can go to the feedback page here (http://www.tomshardware.com/site/submission/feedback.html) and ask Humphrey Cheung. Just choose his name in the "Choose Recipients" selection. He's the video editor according to the credits at the end of the video.



Revgen... I have listed the half-field issue and will try and get it in 1.1

Thanks. This problem seems to only be with PAFF interlaced content muxed with MP4Box. MP4Creator works fine. Using MP4Creator to mux the content is a temporary solution for now.

EDIT: Actually I'm not sure if it's PAFF or not. It could be plain fixed interlacing.

[shon3i]

Two questions for BetaBoy:

1. When will be that trial package
2. Can you check this about CoreAAC (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=831158#post831158)

Thanks

[Shinigami-Sama]

BetaBoy, when you will allow to download trial version of CoreAVC 1.0?

To be honest... when its ready. If we roll out 1.1 as planned soon we can do it then.
there ya go mate Xd

[Morte66]

BetaBoy, just want you to know that I bought CoreAVC Pro and I'm very happy.

I spent about 24 hours doing my first 1080 high profile encode, and then found I wasn't even close to playing it with Zoom Player and ffdshow on my A64 X2 3800+. So I bought CoreAVC Pro, and it worked just fine. :)

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy, just want you to know that I bought CoreAVC Pro and I'm very happy.

I spent about 24 hours doing my first 1080 high profile encode, and then found I wasn't even close to playing it with Zoom Player and ffdshow on my A64 X2 3800+. So I bought CoreAVC Pro, and it worked just fine. :)
Glad to hear that! It actually has been a great week for CoreAVC with alot of great user feedback.. thx for the report!

[Eretria-chan]

Yes... CoreAVC is THE best software decoder out there. Worth every bit of money.

[BetaBoy]

FYI... For some crazed soccer fans that have been asking... Coming soon to a monitor near you CoreAVC Professional Edition w/MBAFF Interlaced.

[SeeMoreDigital]

FYI... For some crazed soccer fans that have been asking... Coming soon to a monitor near you CoreAVC Professional Edition w/MBAFF Interlaced.I look forward to this implementation - and I'm not even a big football fan... A little crazy maybe ;)

[bond]

betaboy, i think i have already pointed you to it, but it seems that interlaced streams encoded with the latest x264 interlacing patch dont play correctly in coreavc (but do with ateme, nero and cyberlink)

coreavc plays interlaced streams created by ateme fine tough

[BetaBoy]

betaboy, i think i have already pointed you to it, but it seems that interlaced streams encoded with the latest x264 interlacing patch dont play correctly in coreavc (but do with ateme, nero and cyberlink)

coreavc plays interlaced streams created by ateme fine tough
yes, thx for pointing it out. However I had a third party talk to me about it and states that the X264 stream was not compliant?

I have not had time to investigate it but will do so after the weekend.

[bond]

yes, thx for pointing it out. However I had a third party talk to me about it and states that the X264 stream was not compliant?

I have not had time to investigate it but will do so after the weekend.hm plz inform us when you can confirm this incompliance

[eLupus]

hi betaboy, i'm still working toward getting coreavc working for xbmc (not there yet, it's initing but something is throwing an exception on decoding.). just wondered something, currently we init the dshow codec in one thread, while playback will later occure from another. I noticed the use of tlsalloc and tlsgetvalue during init, would this cause troubles for the codec if those values are not the same when playback stars? would not be too hard to copy them over, just wonder if it's needed. could be interesting from other players perspective too.

also if we do get it working, how would you prefer licence information to be stored?

/elupus

[Revgen]

@Betaboy

I believe I have the hardware to test MBAFF with as you asked for in the libavcodec MBAFF thread.

I have an AMD X2 4600+ dual-core CPU and CoreAVC Pro already purchased and installed.

I'll PM you my email.

[eggtimer]

Any developer who needs some 'live' H.264 High Profile 1080i 50 Hz (interlaced source) with MBAFF, for testing purposes, is welcome to PM me. I have samples of any length up to 30 minutes including a 4MB sample that can be emailed. There are also full-length samples now appearing on relevant newsgroups.

[BetaBoy]

Ok... World Cup fans get ready to rejoice!

We are predicting a launch of CoreAVC 1.1 with MBAFF on June 7-8th. Anyone that has the hardware capable of handling Interlaced content like MBAFF. Please PM me here at D9 w/your email address and if you have the time between June 4-6 for testing. You must have the time/hardware to test so please only SERIOUS testers.

Also 1.1 does feature many bug fixes, new online authentication and I am hoping Haali has time to add TS timestamp support as well.

[pankov]

:)
Great news
...
but, there is always a "but", any news about the new Core Account System that will allow users from "non PayPal" countries to buy the decoder?
....
I DON'T want to have to look for "alternatives". I really want to support your work

[BetaBoy]

:)
Great news
...
but, there is always a "but", any news about the new Core Account System that will allow users from "non PayPal" countries to buy the decoder?
....
I DON'T want to have to look for "alternatives". I really want to support your work

Short term no... long term yes... We will launch the full Core Account system with CorePlayer in late July. At that time will are timing several purchase options we are working on atm.

We appreciate the patience.

[BetaBoy]

Any developer who needs some 'live' H.264 High Profile 1080i 50 Hz (interlaced source) with MBAFF, for testing purposes, is welcome to PM me. I have samples of any length up to 30 minutes including a 4MB sample that can be emailed. There are also full-length samples now appearing on relevant newsgroups.

Ok... PM sent... we need to test MBAFF so when you can... see if you can get us some samples.

Thx

[thuan]

Worse (and I hope this is just isolated to me) on playback using seeking, video seems to "fast forward" until it catches up to the point where I seeked to originally.

Will this problem be fixed in the future version. And BTW could you add the avc1 fourcc to the accepted 4cc of coreavc (some mkv VfW h264 file have lower case avc1 4cc and coreavc cannot connect).

[Nick [D]vB]

we need to test MBAFF so when you can... see if you can get us some samples.
Have you still got the links I sent you before?

There are a few torrents going now,

with much larger MBAFF samples from the BBC trial,

if they are any use to you?

[bond]

Will this problem be fixed in the future version. And BTW could you add the avc1 fourcc to the accepted 4cc of coreavc (some mkv VfW h264 file have lower case avc1 4cc and coreavc cannot connect).yeah pollute coreavc with all imagineable fourccs useable via vfw! ;)

[BetaBoy]

vB']Have you still got the links I sent you before?

There are a few torrents going now,

with much larger MBAFF samples from the BBC trial,

if they are any use to you?
Sorry no links... if you can point me to some i'd appreciate it.

[Nick [D]vB]

No problem, there are some small MBAFF samples here:

50Mb satellite sample:

http://www.giusberto.ch/hdtv/

and there are some samples from the BBC DVB-T trial here:

[small demuxed H.264 clips]

http://rapidshare.de/files/20256468/BBCHD1-Clip.mpg.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/20257643/BBCHD1-Clip2.mpg.html

[small full TS samples]

http://rapidshare.de/files/20285501/BBCHD1-DigiTV.ts.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/20257846/BBCHD1-DigiTV-2.ts.html

There is a 400Mb sample here:

http://www.uknova.com/details.php?id=25927

You need to register to use the torrent [but there's some great stuff on that site anyway]

There are a few torrents about that don't need to be registered, I'll try and find them.

I hope they help :)

Cheers,
Nick

[thuan]

I was disappointed to encounter the two mentioned problem (speed up after seek and lower case avc1 4cc with mkv h264 stream) but I'm happy that now my poor AMD 1.5GHz T-bread can play 720p AVC content.

Thanks Corecodec.

[remlap]

Hey guys id like to be able to get the MBAFF beta to, I have BBC HD via satellite.

Thanks

[popper]

Ok... PM sent... we need to test MBAFF so when you can... see if you can get us some samples.

Thx

BetaBoy, you should pop over to the UK digitalspy thread were there are many people with access to the BBC HD trial transmitters and would get you any No. of MBAFF samples as required/want, and they would be glad to see you post there, as many cant post directly here due to the grace period after registering, driving them mad LOL. :rolleyes:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=348897&page=39&pp=25

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy, you should pop over to the UK digitalspy thread were there are many people with access to the BBC HD trial transmitters and would get you any No. of MBAFF samples as required/want, and they would be glad to see you post there, as many cant post directly here due to the grace period after registering, driving them mad LOL. :rolleyes:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=348897&page=39&pp=25
Thx... I registered... lets see how long before I can post.

[popper]

vB']No problem, there are some small MBAFF samples here:
[Edit snip]
http://www.uknova.com/details.php?id=25927
There are a few torrents about that don't need to be registered, I'll try and find them.

I hope they help :)
Cheers,
Nick
Nick.
i just tryed to sign up for that uknova and get just a blank screen when clicking register, so it looks like they arnt accepting new registrations right now, so BetaBoy might be getting the same problem, shame............

perhaps he'll pop over DS anyway and we can grab whatever as he and the team requires.

[popper]

Thx... I registered... lets see how long before I can post.

should be within minutes to sent you an email etc.

[lineman]

Can you use CoreAVC with mplayerc? If so can you throw me a hint....I seem to be lost? Thanks

Lineman

[Oline 61]

Can you use CoreAVC with mplayerc? If so can you throw me a hint....I seem to be lost? Thanks

Lineman
Install CoreAVC, then open Mplayerc -> View -> Options -> External Filters -> Add Filter -> Find CoreAVC -> Make sure it is set to "prefer" -> Hit Apply -> Hit Ok

[W3ird_N3rd]

I also have access to the BBC Trial, have some gigabytes of it recorded already, and I also have access to h.264 streams on cable, one of them is 1080i at the moment. Although the 720p streams don't work with CoreAVC (with MplayerC to handle the TS). Some do, some don't.. With Cyberlink all work.

But my computer is not yet powerful enough for realtime decoding (3000+). Ik expect my 4200+ today.

I'll post if I get my CPU, I might also be able to run some tests in that case (if I don't have to reinstall Windows, if changing HAL doesn't work I won't get everything running soon enough).

So anyway, some questions. These 720p samples should work, I think. How can I help you fix CoreAVC so they work?

And I heard there would be a CoreAVC for Linux. When is it expected?

[blubberbirne]

Ok... World Cup fans get ready to rejoice!

We are predicting a launch of CoreAVC 1.1 with MBAFF on June 7-8th. Anyone that has the hardware capable of handling Interlaced content like MBAFF. Please PM me here at D9 w/your email address and if you have the time between June 4-6 for testing. You must have the time/hardware to test so please only SERIOUS testers.

Also 1.1 does feature many bug fixes, new online authentication and I am hoping Haali has time to add TS timestamp support as well.

Wow, thats sounds good.

[eggtimer]

@BetaBoy - I sent you 650MB of samples as discussed. I see Nick (D)vB has given you links to more. As he says, pretty much all the enthusiasts trying to decode the BBC HD trials are participating in the DigitalSpy forum thread.

[lordx]

Hi

I've make some tests yesterday for BBC HD playback.
I was very very surprised 'cause I've installed last PowerDVD7 to play them.
On my Athlon X2 3800+ 2Go RAM Radeon 9800pro, no dx acceleration, playback was .. great .. and the most surprising :
I was encoding HDTV to x264 with Megui at the same moment wth 2 thread on low mode ... amazing !!
But I 'm waiting for CoreAVC with MBAFF to 'cause your work is so great , I'll buy it just for that :)

[Morte66]

Hi

On my Athlon X2 3800+ 2Go RAM Radeon 9800pro, no dx acceleration, playback was .. great .. and the most surprising :
I was encoding HDTV to x264 with Megui at the same moment wth 2 thread on low mode ... amazing !!


I had exactly the same experience, same CPU, also running X264 ion two threads, my video card is an ATI1800 but GPU acceleration was disabled (Catalyst 6.4).

Here's an email sent a friend of mine about it (we've both pondered getting HDTV):
My thoughts...

- They are better than 99.n% of the video I've seen. I've got a handful of demo clips that are better. For a TV broadcast, they're phenomenal. In particular, they slaughter MPEG2 HDTV transport streams I've got. There's just way less crud.

- They are not perfect. They could be sharper. They could be progressive. PowerDVD 7 demo infuriatingly refuses to say what resolution they are, but I'm not so sure they're 1920x1080. I see noise that looks like resizer noise rather than camera/encoder noise. I've noticed a few screenies on that DigitalSpy thread that are 1440x1088. I did screen dumps from PowerDVD and it gave me 720x1088 bitmaps (might be a crippleware demo thing).

[My friend mucked around with them in photoshop, he thinks they started as 720x1088 and were resized to 1440x1088 somewehre in the broadcast/receive chain, then resized again to 1920x1088 in PowerDVD.]

- Despite what I said earlier, they're reported as VBR in PowerDVD with bitrates ranging from about 8mbps in the credits (white on black) up to about 23mps peak.

- The picture quality isn't actually that special for the bitrate, so I don't think they're using all the features of h264. I could make a better/smaller encode [using high profile unrestricted], but it would encode at about 1fps and no set top box could play it.

[popper]

anyone have some pointers to AVC .ts cutters that work with
the BBC HD streams yet?.

preferably free and cross platform.

HDTVtoMPEG appears to be free and works for mpeg2 .ts
streams but not the AVC/H.264 .ts samples so far.
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~balazer/...PEG2/index.html

[bond]

you can use any file cutter you want for .ts files, eg also a hexeditor

[Nick [D]vB]

Popper I replied about editing in the DS thread:

If you can't get Xmuxer to work you could fork out for VideoVegas or one of the Sonic mastering tools.

Personaly I would load the TS into TSReader or DVBSE's file source input and "record" the sections you want to another file.

Or just hack the demuxed streams up with a hex editor, because they are CBR you can guestimate the times from the file size.

Use the "Record Program" feature in TSR or the PID / AVPES demux features in DVBSE.

You can stream to the patched version of VLC to see where your at.

I forgot to mention this before but if you have paid for DVBViewer Pro then Griga's TSPlayer

[from the H.264 Kit] has a really great TS editing feature that works with most H.264 transport streams.

[BetaBoy]

I also have access to the BBC Trial, have some gigabytes of it recorded already, and I also have access to h.264 streams on cable, one of them is 1080i at the moment. Although the 720p streams don't work with CoreAVC (with MplayerC to handle the TS). Some do, some don't.. With Cyberlink all work.

But my computer is not yet powerful enough for realtime decoding (3000+). Ik expect my 4200+ today.

I'll post if I get my CPU, I might also be able to run some tests in that case (if I don't have to reinstall Windows, if changing HAL doesn't work I won't get everything running soon enough).

So anyway, some questions. These 720p samples should work, I think. How can I help you fix CoreAVC so they work?

And I heard there would be a CoreAVC for Linux. When is it expected?
Can you provide us with a link to any samples that do not work like you have stated?

Thx

[W3ird_N3rd]

Can you provide us with a link to any samples that do not work like you have stated?

Thx
Sure: http://crew.tweakers.net/W3ird_N3rd/HDTV_samples/film1hd.ts

This is a small promo for Film1, a Dutch paytv-moviechannel (pretty expensive, but no advertising, and will probably be the only "legal" way of watching HD movies for the next months, as long as Blu-ray/HD-DVD don't hit the market..).

And my 4200+ is installed and seems to be working.. Although my system doesn't "feel" entirely stable, I'm going to do some tests to see how CoreAVC performs now, with the 3000+ it didn't play everything smooth.. So I can probably also run some tests on the interlaced thingie with the next version, I should have some more interlaced content laying around..

I'm also wondering if CoreAVC will someday be compatible with GlobeTV?

[edit]
I did a short test. On my X2 4200+ and PCIe 6600GT, another 720p .ts sample (from Prosieben, also comes from cable.. they even use Astra promos, they probably have no idea the competitor is up there :p), gives the same iq and about the same CPU usage with CoreAVC compared to Cyberlink. Both decoders run it smooth. Only lots of samples don't run with CoreAVC (like the one I posted), and I can't select CoreAVC in GlobeTV, so the possibilities are limited.

But for Windows, I already have Cyberlink, so no direct need for CoreAVC since my computer is fast enough now. But I still want to know if/when CoreAVC comes to Linux, and if it will be usable with DVB programs.

[JoeBG]

@ Beta Boy

I´m always watching my videos with zoomplayer and have no problems with CoreAVC CoreAAC and other filters. They are all used by zoomplayer.

Today I installed tcmp4.exe and I only get a dark screen. When I disable CoreAVC and enable h264 support in ffdshow I can watch the video in tcmp.

First thing I did was uneinstalling every Haali Media Splitter and installing again. Nothing helps. I can´t watch h264 videos in tcmp with core filters. Does the player of core not support core filters?

[BetaBoy]

Sure: http://crew.tweakers.net/W3ird_N3rd/HDTV_samples/film1hd.ts

This is a small promo for Film1, a Dutch paytv-moviechannel (pretty expensive, but no advertising, and will probably be the only "legal" way of watching HD movies for the next months, as long as Blu-ray/HD-DVD don't hit the market..).

And my 4200+ is installed and seems to be working.. Although my system doesn't "feel" entirely stable, I'm going to do some tests to see how CoreAVC performs now, with the 3000+ it didn't play everything smooth.. So I can probably also run some tests on the interlaced thingie with the next version, I should have some more interlaced content laying around..

I'm also wondering if CoreAVC will someday be compatible with GlobeTV?

[edit]
I did a short test. On my X2 4200+ and PCIe 6600GT, another 720p .ts sample (from Prosieben, also comes from cable.. they even use Astra promos, they probably have no idea the competitor is up there :p), gives the same iq and about the same CPU usage with CoreAVC compared to Cyberlink. Both decoders run it smooth. Only lots of samples don't run with CoreAVC (like the one I posted), and I can't select CoreAVC in GlobeTV, so the possibilities are limited.

But for Windows, I already have Cyberlink, so no direct need for CoreAVC since my computer is fast enough now. But I still want to know if/when CoreAVC comes to Linux, and if it will be usable with DVB programs.

Thx for the link... we will look into the issue.

I will comment on Linux/OSX in a few weeks when a few things are ready to talk about. Till then....

[BetaBoy]

@ Beta Boy

I´m always watching my videos with zoomplayer and have no problems with CoreAVC CoreAAC and other filters. They are all used by zoomplayer.

Today I installed tcmp4.exe and I only get a dark screen. When I disable CoreAVC and enable h264 support in ffdshow I can watch the video in tcmp.

First thing I did was uneinstalling every Haali Media Splitter and installing again. Nothing helps. I can´t watch h264 videos in tcmp with core filters. Does the player of core not support core filters?

Does this happen with all H.264 videos? Do you have FFMPEG installed? LMK

[JoeBG]

Does this happen with all H.264 videos? Do you have FFMPEG installed? LMK

Both yes.

[BetaBoy]

Ok... testers.... please have your various MBAFF content ready to test against CoreAVC 1.1.... specifically:

- Standard MBAFF
- 'live' SAT broadcasts
- MBAFF with PAFF frames interlaced
- Software deinterlacing
- Online registration

We will also be including Haali's latest splitter with TS support so look for any issues related to it.

Look for an email from me tomorrow.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sounds very cool ;)

[hakujin]

CoreAVC does use both cores.

As far as BBC transmissions go, CoreAVC currently cant help you even decode them yet because CoreAVC lacks support for MBAFF interlacing. Without MBAFF support, the video can't be decoded. Only PAFF interlacing is supported.

MBAFF is currently being worked on.

Hi Revgen,

Any interim solutions now... the best I can get to watchable with MBAFF is Cyberlink 7, which isn't fluid frames and 100% CPU utilization (on a 3.0ghz P4)... vlc 0.8.5 freehd will just freeze as well. Of course Nividia purevideo is not good because afaik it only supports mpeg2 acceleration anyway (at least on my rusty agp 6800)

I know that coreAVC will be the answer (or at least I hope) but any idea when this will be supported and/or anything that works peachy now?


Also, Chainmax mentioned XBMC... now that'd be a dream come true if xbmc (on antiquated xbox) could support coreAVC. I s'pose it's doable due to how efficient coreAVC is...
To anyone:
is that going to be a reality that we might be able to watch native 1080i on the xbmc thanks to this codec?

Thanks in advance!

[bakerpr]

I would like the chance to be a beta tester for coreavc 1.1 .
Using the latest Powerdvd7 trial I have smooth playback both with live and recorded BBCHD content using Pentium D 930 dual and nvidia 7600GS card.
How do I PM betaboy?

[Morte66]

I got smooth playback on the 1440x1080i BBC samples with PDVD7 using about 90% CPU over both cores on my A64 X2 3800+. For reference, CoreAVC uses about 50% to play 1920x1080p encoded with Sharktooth's HDDVD profile. I'm looking forward to seeing it on interlaced.

[hakujin]

I would like the chance to be a beta tester for coreavc 1.1 .
Using the latest Powerdvd7 trial I have smooth playback both with live and recorded BBCHD content using Pentium D 930 dual and nvidia 7600GS card.
How do I PM betaboy?

I should elaborate... I'm using Northwood, not dual core, hence our slightly different results. Plus, perhaps you're utilizing gpu acceleration? I can't fathom buying a new rig just for this. Should be possible to achieve much better efficiency with coreAVC (fingers crossed!).

[Revgen]

Hi Revgen,

Any interim solutions now... the best I can get to watchable with MBAFF is Cyberlink 7, which isn't fluid frames and 100% CPU utilization (on a 3.0ghz P4)... vlc 0.8.5 freehd will just freeze as well. Of course Nividia purevideo is not good because afaik it only supports mpeg2 acceleration anyway (at least on my rusty agp 6800)

The 6800's only support MPEG-2 acceleration. The 7900's support AVC acceleration. Special versions of PowerDVD7 are bundled with these cards to support this acceleration.


I know that coreAVC will be the answer (or at least I hope) but any idea when this will be supported and/or anything that works peachy now?

Betaboy said it'll be released on June 7th.


Also, Chainmax mentioned XBMC... now that'd be a dream come true if xbmc (on antiquated xbox) could support coreAVC. I s'pose it's doable due to how efficient coreAVC is...
To anyone:
is that going to be a reality that we might be able to watch native 1080i on the xbmc thanks to this codec?

Thanks in advance!

The original X-BOX's use 733Mhz CPU's. I doubt they'll be playing 1080i content even with CoreAVC.

[remlap]

I did PM Betaboy to be a member of the trail since I asked for MBAFF support first as well, yet have recieved no reply.

Ill guess Ill just wait till the release date for my update.

[bakerpr]

I did the same looks like I'll have to wait also.

[BetaBoy]

We are limiting our testing range atm... i'll let you guys know if/when we can expand it. Thanx for offering to help... We really appreciate it!

[hakujin]

T
The original X-BOX's use 733Mhz CPU's. I doubt they'll be playing 1080i content even with CoreAVC.

Maybe not, though, I know there's a team of ppl. working on it at the XBMC forums and I can (as of right now) play native 720p on XBMC so with a little more efficiency.... who knows!

Though I don't expect it to play anything too CPU intensive (thus excluding much of native HD in mpeg4... though a great deal of HD content is still in mpeg2.

[PicardGK]

is that going to be a reality that we might be able to watch native 1080i on the xbmc thanks to this codec?

Highly unlikely. The BBC samples I tried are major CPU killers compared to example Apple 1080p trailers. It's not just because of MBAFF (that slows things down too), but the high 20MBit CABAC bitrate and the always turned on deblocking (which can eat quite a lot of cpu).

Also my guess CoreAVC's first MBAFF verison will have less speed advantage compared to other decoder (I couldn't compare speed yet..). I was happy to finally have a working byte correct decoder, didn't focus on optimizing MBAFF yet.

[crypto]

Regarding TS file playback, I want to inform you, that the next version of hdtvpump will support AVC streams in push mode and can connect to CoreAVC and CyberLink AVC filters. A preview version is available on request, just let me know. The release version will be ready soon.

[BetaBoy]

Anyone have any HD MBAFF mp4 samples? If you do if you can PM me a link or send the files by www.yousendit.com i'd appreciate it...

So here is what has made it into CoreAVC Professional Edition 1.1

Changes are:
- MBAFF added to CoreAVC Professional Edition
- PAFF frames in MBAFF
- New Haali Media Splitter with full MPEG TS stream support
- Deblocking options
- Software deinterlacing options
- Various bug fixes

MBAFF works quite well...... as picard indicated we still have optimizations to go on it. So look for speed improvements in 1.2 and 1.3 versions.

[futurex]

sorry to annoy you betaboy, but i am contemplating purchasing coreAVC. i tried the 0.0.0.4 version but i experienced seeking problem, where the video is way behind the audio, then plays in fast forwad and takes several seconds to catch up. there were still complaints of it in this thread with 1.0 and thats why i didn't purchase it yet. has that bug been fixed? :)

[ern]

Ok... testers.... please have your various MBAFF content ready to test against CoreAVC 1.1.... specifically:

- Standard MBAFF
- 'live' SAT broadcasts
- MBAFF with PAFF frames interlaced
- Software deinterlacing
- Online registration

We will also be including Haali's latest splitter with TS support so look for any issues related to it.

Look for an email from me tomorrow.

what about "live" DVB-T Treestial broadcasts, are the being tested ?


ern

[adapter]

People who are testing Coreavc 1.1 with BBC HD live preview,What are the first impressions regarding Coreavc 1.1. Is it able to play live BBC HD previews smoothly.

With my set up using Cyberlink PDVD7 decoder,I am unable to play live previews, as the video is jerky, but I have recorded a sample BBC HD ts stream and that plays perfectly.

I am considering purchasing the Coreavc 1.1 pro for the sole purpose of viewing BBC HD (World Cup). Will Coreavc allow me to view live BBC HD broadcasts?

My set up is as follows:

AMD 64x2 3800 (clocked@2500)
2GB Ram
Nvidia 6800 PCI-E graphics card
Skystar 2 Pci DVB-S card
Using Cyberlink Powerdvd 7 H264 codec

[BetaBoy]

ppl with 'jerky' playback with Cyberlink are seeing smooth playback with CoreAVC 1.1. We are on the final day of QA testing and i'll be able to post more results and answer more questions in a few more hours.

[lordx]

Cool !!
Need to purchase it to play smoothly some BBC HD Videos !!

[Revgen]

@FutureX

The audio sync bug has been fixed in the 1.1 beta version at least for me anyway. Colorspace issues in 1.0 have also been addressed in this version.

I don't know if this is true for other beta testers.

[BetaBoy]

Revgen.... give me a lil bit and i'll send you and the testers the latest build actually this will be 1.1.0.2 as we have fixed a bunch of smaller issues:

- TS stream AR bug
- Green screen bug fixed

and we are working on the first decoder bug reported as well as an issue with the Haali splitter being installed and set as the default TS muxer but still having third party ones cause issues.

Also SMD reported software de-interlace artifacts we are looking into. So deinterlaced needs to be work on a bit more.

Here is a screenshot of the latest CoreAVC 1.1 filter properties page.
http://cc.serveftp.org:8884/images/coreavc.gif

[Ice =A=]

I'm no beta tester, but those deblocking options look most interresting! Can't wait for the update! :)

[PicardGK]

I'm no beta tester, but those deblocking options look most interresting! Can't wait for the update! :)

It's nothing serious. Just lets you disable the standard AVC deblocking to gain speed on slower machines. So no additional deblocking stuff.

[futurex]

thanks revgen!

[remlap]

Im looking forward to egerly getting the update, how will the update be done mailed to me via email, how will it activated?

Cheers

[BetaBoy]

While we were at it... we added:
- double frame mode (50fps will look better now ;-)

and are looking at adding BOB Deinterlaced... will will push to get this out tomorrow.... but as indicated may go as late as thursday the 8th to allow for further QA testing which has gone very well! Thx to all the testers!

[jblade]

Well I woudlnt mind a public beta release, and then an update on thursday or something.

[hakujin]

Highly unlikely. The BBC samples I tried are major CPU killers compared to example Apple 1080p trailers. It's not just because of MBAFF (that slows things down too), but the high 20MBit CABAC bitrate and the always turned on deblocking (which can eat quite a lot of cpu).


Again, I'm speaking purely for mpeg2. If I'm not mistaken those BBC samples are mpeg4 no? Simply, Smarter codec algorithm, higher utilization no?

Related to what you said, what would be the best codecs around right now? I thought CoreAVC was bar non for cpu cycles vs. playback of native HD. FFDShow even better + MBAFF? If so, I'll have to give it a whirl!

EDIT: I don't mean to start "whose better" or anything like that... just would like whatever is available now that will play Planet Earth smoothly on my rig.

3.0Ghz Northwood
1 GB DDR
Nividia 6800 (AGP)

[popper]

Again, I'm speaking purely for mpeg2. If I'm not mistaken those BBC samples are mpeg4 no? Simply, Smarter codec algorithm, higher utilization no?

Related to what you said, what would be the best codecs around right now? I thought CoreAVC was bar non for cpu cycles vs. playback of native HD. FFDShow even better + MBAFF? If so, I'll have to give it a whirl!

EDIT: I don't mean to start "whose better" or anything like that... just would like whatever is available now that will play Planet Earth smoothly on my rig.

3.0Ghz Northwood
1 GB DDR
Nividia 6800 (AGP)

well, it is, the thing is though, when we say HD we are refering to the UK/EU and the fact we make use of current AVC/H.264 HD Tech, rather than the older US Mpeg2 HD standard (unless your the CEO of Telewest now (a 20%) part of NTL. rather short sighted that move Mr CEO).

AFAIK, the core team dont make/market an Mpeg2 decoder (is there a market for that?), only the coreAVC H.264 codec.

[Revgen]

Highly unlikely. The BBC samples I tried are major CPU killers compared to example Apple 1080p trailers. It's not just because of MBAFF (that slows things down too), but the high 20MBit CABAC bitrate and the always turned on deblocking (which can eat quite a lot of cpu).

Also my guess CoreAVC's first MBAFF verison will have less speed advantage compared to other decoder (I couldn't compare speed yet..). I was happy to finally have a working byte correct decoder, didn't focus on optimizing MBAFF yet.

20mbit/sec is way too high IMHO. HDTV MPEG-2-TS Streams broadcast in the US are about that rate minus audio and the .ts container. MPEG4 should be lowered to at least 15mbit/sec or even less IMHO.

I can say with 100% certainty that this beta is faster than Cyberlinks. It still jerks a little bit though, but at least it's watchable compared to Cyberlink. Right now only 55-65% of my two cores is being utilized. I'm sure further opts will improve this.

[Blueking]

Revgen,

It still jerks a little bit though

Whats the spec of your machine ?
Is the Audio in sync with the video all the time ?

Regards,

Blueking

[SeeMoreDigital]

20mbit/sec is way too high IMHO. HDTV MPEG-2-TS Streams broadcast in the US are about that rate minus audio and the .ts container. MPEG4 should be lowered to at least 15mbit/sec or even less IMHO.Indeed....

Once the DVB-S2 transmission system is running with more channels per transponder, it would seem the bit-rate per channel will fall: -

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9576/dvbs2compchart2bl.png


Cheers

[Jay Bee]

While we were at it... we added:
- double frame mode (50fps will look better now ;-)

and are looking at adding BOB Deinterlaced... will will push to get this out tomorrow.... but as indicated may go as late as thursday the 8th to allow for further QA testing which has gone very well! Thx to all the testers!

Very nice. Then all we will need is a good interlaced encoder and AVC will be perfect for encoding interlaced analog TV. Keep up the good work.

20mbit/sec is way too high IMHO. HDTV MPEG-2-TS Streams broadcast in the US are about that rate minus audio and the .ts container. MPEG4 should be lowered to at least 15mbit/sec or even less IMHO.



I think you should be careful about encouraging broadcasters to lower the bitrate. :) You should see how German digital pay-TV has ended up. The picture is often blocky like a VCD and vastly inferior to analog TV.


I can say with 100% certainty that this beta is faster than Cyberlinks. It still jerks a little bit though, but at least it's watchable compared to Cyberlink. Right now only 55-65% of my two cores is being utilized. I'm sure further opts will improve this.

What exactly are you comparing? Cyberlink in software mode? 55-65%: does that mean there is a chance for fast single cores to be able to do the job?

[videomixer9]

Remember that TV is live encoded at one pass :P If you think about bitrate don't take your 2pass filtered encodes as example. Some movies might be preencoded but usually stations don't hassle with that. The bitrates used here e.g. on regular DTV are already so low that you sometimes cannot even see any details anymore cause the one pass encoding blows that much. Though people like my blind dad claim to not see the suckiness e.g. in when they should a live report with a flowing water in background. AVC improves a bit on this thing but I'd not encourage any bitrate lowerings!

[TEB]

any news on mpeg2 support in the decoder?

[videomixer9]

What's CoreAVC to do with MPEG2? It's an AVC decoder and MPEG2 is nowhere near what I'd call Advanced Video Coding :O

[Scoty]

the latest CoreAVC ist 1.1 ? i have 1.0 Pro.

[Revgen]

Revgen,



Whats the spec of your machine ?
Is the Audio in sync with the video all the time ?

Regards,

Blueking

Audio is always in sync with the video as far as I can tell. Keep in mind that these samples are nature documentaries and sports footage with very little closeups of people.

My machine is an AMD 4600+ AMD X2.

[Revgen]

Remember that TV is live encoded at one pass :P If you think about bitrate don't take your 2pass filtered encodes as example. Some movies might be preencoded but usually stations don't hassle with that. The bitrates used here e.g. on regular DTV are already so low that you sometimes cannot even see any details anymore cause the one pass encoding blows that much. Though people like my blind dad claim to not see the suckiness e.g. in when they should a live report with a flowing water in background. AVC improves a bit on this thing but I'd not encourage any bitrate lowerings!

An ATSC 1080i MPEG2-TS video is typically 20-mbit/sec and looks pretty good for most people.

Why have AVC video at 20-mbit/sec? Heck why even have 20-mbit/sec for PAL which broadcasts at 50i? And why even bother using deblocking at this bitrate which is unecessary and makes decoding even more difficult?

The whole purpose of using the AVC codec is to improve bandwith over MPEG-2. Broadcasting AVC at 20-mbit/sec defeats that whole purpose.

[Revgen]

the latest CoreAVC ist 1.1 ? i have 1.0 Pro.

CoreAVC 1.1 is currently a beta right now being tested by beta testers. Betaboy said that the public version should be coming soon. Try asking him for more details.

[Revgen]

I think you should be careful about encouraging broadcasters to lower the bitrate. :) You should see how German digital pay-TV has ended up. The picture is often blocky like a VCD and vastly inferior to analog TV.

Please read my reply to videomixer.


What exactly are you comparing? Cyberlink in software mode? 55-65%: does that mean there is a chance for fast single cores to be able to do the job?

65% means that one core is being used 100% and the other is being used 30%.

[BetaBoy]

We only have one major directshow bug atm and it is related to only 'some' DVBViewer users and might not be CoreAVC at all.

This is the hardest one to fix as it is only related to 'live' streams in the UK and since none of our devs are from there... we'll you get the picture. We will try our best to get it taken care of.... but because of it we will not release it till tomorrow now.

Here is the current changelog:

Version 1.1.0.3 (20060607)
- Add: MBAFF added to CoreAVC Professional Edition
- Add: PAFF frames in MBAFF
- Add: Haali Media Splitter with full MPEG TS stream support
- Add: Deblocking options
- Add: Software deinterlacing options
- Add: Double frame mode option
- Add: Can accept RAW unformatted ES streams
- Fix: TS Aspect Ratio resize bug fixed
- Fix: Green screen and Artifacts bug fixed
- Fix: Video skipping fixed
- Fix: Audio skipping fixed
- Fix: Various Bugs from the bugtracker

[Oxygen]

An ATSC 1080i MPEG2-TS video is typically 20-mbit/sec and looks pretty good for most people.

Why have AVC video at 20-mbit/sec? Heck why even have 20-mbit/sec for PAL which broadcasts at 50i? And why even bother using deblocking at this bitrate which is unecessary and makes decoding even more difficult?

The whole purpose of using the AVC codec is to improve bandwith over MPEG-2. Broadcasting AVC at 20-mbit/sec defeats that whole purpose.

As deblocking is optional on the Coreavc 1.1 so you shouldn't worry too much about that part.

Also, you need to understand even the BBC broadcast is for now on test, it may evolve when it goes into production stage.

And finally, BBC is not the only DVB AVC broadcaster :). We are currently having like the BBC a small scale DVB-T broadcast test in France. Stream is 1440x1050i like the BBC, execpt it's at 10MBits, and we should get two on a single DVB Frequency (instead of one for the BBC atm). Second test regards an HD via DSL: ISP Free broadcast a 5.6MBits AVC stream, this time it's 'semi'HD, res is 960x1080i.

Last, AVC DVB-T reception is quite hard, as not only it requires a fast computer to decode, it also need an improved DVB-T reception compared to MPEG2 DVB-T from what i can see.

[woah!]

As deblocking is optional on the Coreavc 1.1 so you shouldn't worry too much about that part.

Also, you need to understand even the BBC broadcast is for now on test, it may evolve when it goes into production stage.

And finally, BBC is not the only DVB AVC broadcaster :). We are currently having like the BBC a small scale DVB-T broadcast test in France. Stream is 1440x1050i like the BBC, execpt it's at 10MBits, and we should get two on a single DVB Frequency (instead of one for the BBC atm). Second test regards an HD via DSL: ISP Free broadcast a 5.6MBits AVC stream, this time it's 'semi'HD, res is 960x1080i.

Last, AVC DVB-T reception is quite hard, as not only it requires a fast computer to decode, it also need an improved DVB-T reception compared to MPEG2 DVB-T from what i can see.



10mbit sound smore like what AVC was supposed to be able to do, so the broadcasters could get more channels at high Q.

using AVC at 20mbit just seems crazy to me, but i suppose once its up and running good the BBC might add more HD channels and then it will probably come down then.

[BetaBoy]

- Add: Can accept RAW unformatted ES streams


I should have noted that this is for CoreAVC Enterprise Edition

[Morte66]

using AVC at 20mbit just seems crazy to me, but i suppose once its up and running good the BBC might add more HD channels and then it will probably come down then.

It seems very likely that 23mbps is the whole multiplex, and it will carry 3 or 4 HDTV channels.

You can certainly make good 1920x1080p or 1440x1080p encodes (whichever they'll use) at 6000kbps, but they may be need a more complex set of h264 options than real time encoders want to use. They'd also be relatively hard to decode for their bitrate.

But AFAICT the BBC trials are for a system that's years away from actual use in anger. By then they'll be able to put something like a 2nd/3rd gen Cell processor in the set top box dirt cheap, and use a wardrobe-sized rack of them at the broadcast end.

[skippy909]

Hi, just wondering if anyone can advise. What software will be usable view the BBC HD trail with the Enterprise edition CoreAVC?
DVBViewer is one, any others? What is preferred?
Also, currently have Nebula card with DigiTV, which is good overall setup, will CoreAVC codec work directly with this software or will the Nebula people need to 'add it into' their software? Cheers for all the help and looking forward to getting into the HD trial today.

[The1]

Hi all.

Just to say have been watching and waiting for the release of the mbaff support. I have no worries about it being great.

ps. Hurry up betaboy I am waiting with my paypal account itching to go!! :-)

[videomixer9]

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.2.exe

HM, test version of Haali Media Splitter with ts support.

[Jay Bee]

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.2.exe

HM, test version of Haali Media Splitter with ts support.

Pretty nice. Best TS-Splitter yet. The only file I tested that didn't work (stayed at 00:00) is "Forma1_HDTV_promo_1080i_part1.ts", which I can't find online anymore.

Also some clips have quite a long startup delay.

Is this the right place for Haali feedback?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'm happy to report that Media Player Classic's internal .TS splitter also works very well....

I could not see any differences between the two ;)

[popper]

As deblocking is optional on the Coreavc 1.1 so you shouldn't worry too much about that part.

Also, you need to understand even the BBC broadcast is for now on test, it may evolve when it goes into production stage.

And finally, BBC is not the only DVB AVC broadcaster :). We are currently having like the BBC a small scale DVB-T broadcast test in France. Stream is 1440x1050i like the BBC, execpt it's at 10MBits, and we should get two on a single DVB Frequency (instead of one for the BBC atm). Second test regards an HD via DSL: ISP Free broadcast a 5.6MBits AVC stream, this time it's 'semi'HD, res is 960x1080i.

Last, AVC DVB-T reception is quite hard, as not only it requires a fast computer to decode, it also need an improved DVB-T reception compared to MPEG2 DVB-T from what i can see.

interesting, do you have any links to the french samples, a url for the isp stream and are they also trialing with the MBAFF settings ?.

i seem to remember that (i think it was) spain? (or was it germany)was also doing DVB-H trial like the london one just finished, but were useing AVC instead of Mpeg2, i cant remember now, or find the url's but thought id mention it incase someone finds the current info to add to the subject.

[popper]

10mbit sound smore like what AVC was supposed to be able to do, so the broadcasters could get more channels at high Q.

using AVC at 20mbit just seems crazy to me, but i suppose once its up and running good the BBC might add more HD channels and then it will probably come down then.

well, you also have to consider that DVB HD is speced to go very much higher than even the current size, so in the longer term future, that bit rate will be required.

[Nick [D]vB]

Boxon has sent me a sample from the French IPTV service,

it is definitely interlaced but I can't remember if it is MBAFF or not:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22082864/23HD.ts.zip.html


BTW, has anyone else had problems with the new TS splitter?

Quite a few of my TS samples won't give any output pins.

I think some of them are just bad dumps [not starting on a sync byte etc]

but the Elecard demux seems to cope with them OK???

[BetaBoy]

vB']Boxon has sent me a sample from the French IPTV service,

it is definitely interlaced but I can't remember if it is MBAFF or not:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22082864/23HD.ts.zip.html


BTW, has anyone else had problems with the new TS splitter?

Quite a few of my TS samples won't give any output pins.

I think some of them are just bad dumps [not starting on a sync byte etc]

but the Elecard demux seems to cope with them OK???
Nick... any clips you are having an issue with... please send them to Haali via yousendit.com to test ASAP... thx

[popper]

vB']Boxon has sent me a sample from the French IPTV service,

it is definitely interlaced but I can't remember if it is MBAFF or not:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22082864/23HD.ts.zip.html


BTW, has anyone else had problems with the new TS splitter?

Quite a few of my TS samples won't give any output pins.

I think some of them are just bad dumps [not starting on a sync byte etc]

but the Elecard demux seems to cope with them OK???

thanks Nick,
any chance of putting it on another server as already im getting this
"You have requested the file 23HD.ts.zip (86958 KB). This file has been downloaded 5 times already.
IMPORTANT: Download-accelerators are only supported with a PREMIUM-Account!

You have downloaded 43592 KB. Want to download more?
Get your own Premium-account now! Instant download-access! (Or wait 68 minutes)"

i hate rapidshare, has someone here got a simple ftp and/or webspace were Nick and other people with samples can put them without all this advertising, (bring back the old days and proper free servers )

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yep.... Even after a download ticket has been allocated to me RapidShare still directs me to sign-up to their "Premium" service!

Compared to others, it's the least friendly file host service...

[videomixer9]

It just prevents massive downloads due to lots of warez abuse and that your lousy ISP forces proxies onto you is nothing a germany based service would care about as we don't have a single lousy ISP as that here, though it's a bit strict considering traffic is cheapass stuff here :p Their bonus is that comparing to some other large hoster especially US-based ones they're are actually fast, especially you can also upload fast to them.

In the forum there's only a few people that cannot use it and all of them got some major lousy ISPs, I guess that's why so less people care about it :p And free hoster that allow downloads anymore aren't anymore due to warez and excessive downloading without people seeing any ads than which they used to finance stuff with, that's why these free download services usually got the pages switched in front.

And seriously who'd buy proper hosting that can turn into a pricey thing without any large scale use. Even though you can get plenty of unlimited offers.

[SeeMoreDigital]

In the UK there are only two main cable service providers, NTL and TeleWest, so there's not much room to try other cable providers!

In the main most of my neighbours use either BT or BullDog, both of whom love to quote all kinds of speeds in their ads but in-reality are nowhere near obtainable over a (two-wire) telephone network with a contention ratio of 50:1.... They are just too busy, their speeds are unreliable and their connections are always dropping out!

By contrast, my NTL cable ISP service runs at 4Mbps with a contention ratio of just 20:1 and is rock solid... So no way am I moving over (or should I say back) to a telephone networked ISP, just so I can use RapidShare!

So far it's only the German based RapidShare file hoster I seem to have problems with.... All the other free ones seem to work fine, including YouSendIt.com


Cheers

[videomixer9]

Well a 45gbit/s+ farm is expensive and I can understand their limiting, most other services don't have that kind of bandwidth, if they wouldn't limit they'd probably have some problems with the amount of warez on it and people downloading hundrets of GB round the clock with scripts.

Btw. CoreAVC Pro seems to have found ways onto rapidshare too besides all the other regular warez and movies :p

[popper]

be that as it may(shitty that they wont help core grow though), i thought the idea was to help progress AVC around the world and ( and indeed all the other formats)give the developers, and interested partys as easy access to these needed/wanted samples and get them.

its a shame AmiNet dont have a video section, they have a MOD's, sound and pictures section though, they would then take these video samples without blinking about bandwidth.

just because people dont post about not being able to get the posted files doesnt mean theirs not a lot of people trying to get them, especially the HD stuff, and in fact D9 has a very long waiting to post rate, after registering

like SeeMore said, the NTL(80%) and telewest(20%) are the largest cable providers in the UK and NOW are infact one company covering the whole UK, so we dont have much choice.

SeeMore, i take it your in one of the 'Cardiff, Swansea and Belfast' area's im waiting for my south manchester section to be re-configured :(

[BetaBoy]

Btw. CoreAVC Pro seems to have found ways onto rapidshare too besides all the other regular warez and movies :p

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

This is all part of what we are doing with our long term plans with CorePlayer Mobile/PMP/Desktop and our Media Library (internally called CoreTunes).

[phigment]

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

Does this mean we can only use CoreAVC on one machine?

[BetaBoy]

Does this mean we can only use CoreAVC on one machine?
Yes, when you purchase a license it is (as it states in the AVC licensing) for (1) PC software.

[popper]

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

This is all part of what we are doing with our long term plans with CorePlayer Mobile/PMP/Desktop and our Media Library (internally called CoreTunes).

thats a mistake BetaBoy,you really should re-think that move,as over the years i'v talking with many amiga/phinixi/Genesi/ non windows x86/PPC developers and companys that wanted to go down that limited online internet registration and just about every one of them found that their sales were far less than they would hope because of it.

the reason is pritty simple , even in the UK, for every machine on the net, there are 100+ more that are not.

i understand as a currently small company, just starting out, you want to maximise your IP potential, but id advise you seriously think about other ways to register the products as well as the net.

the massive buzz around the HD should and indeed currently is, making a really good name for your company and product as we speak, dont spoil that by inforcing net only activation, it will only hurt your coreAVC in both the short term and the longer term, but its your choice.

as regards the one copy per machine, that too could be seen by the customer as a rather harsh move, would you consider a reduced rate for buying several copys for people that have several networked PCs and would assume they could use a copy on all of them, lots of other thoughts, but i can see many, many people thinking twice about using coreAVC after all, even if it is the fastest decoder so far and you have done such a good job of giving the end users what they want and need so far..........

[Nick [D]vB]

Nick... any clips you are having an issue with... please send them to Haali via yousendit.com to test ASAP... thx

Sorry I missed your replies, my email notifications takes hours to come through for some reason???

The problem TS samples are huge [several Gb's] and I only have 200K upload but I will try and hack the first 20Mb's of each file with a hex editor and upload them as soon as I can.

I have just tested the latest CoreAVC beta and I still can't get this color bug in DVBViewer

Have you contacted Griga to see if the color bug is a DVBViewer issue???

I have a few other observations:

[1] I still can't get 25fps in DVBViewer on single core system but the performance is better and the CPU usage is now more stable [not flicking between 50 & 100%]

[2] The glitching on my dual core system seems to have gone with one exception, it can not cope with vertically scrolling text [like credits] no matter what settings I pick.

[3] If I change the de-interlaced method while DVBViewer is running it crashes sometimes [the coreavc filter causes the crash] but this does not happen in graphedit. I have emailed you some logs.

[4] I have hundreds of .yuv and .out files created on my root drive, they are 2Mb each so is there a way to disable this debug output?

Cheers,
Nick

BTW, if rapidshare is giving you grief just delete the cookie and change your IP to reset the download limits, there are some other useful tips on upload hosts here:

http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/rapidshare-yousendit-megaupload-free.html

[Revgen]

@Betaboy

Alot of people like me upgrade their PC's constantly. It would be a pain to have to go through an activation process.

On top of that 1 software for one computer is kinda harsh. I know that you don't want corporate businesses taking advantage of a $20 piece of software, but you have to understand that CoreAVC right now is used by enthusiasts like myself who own more than 1 comp. For me to pay $60 to use CoreAVC on 3 comps is overpriced. I can buy PowerDVD and get h.264 playback (albeit slower than CoreAVC) and DVD playback for $50. A better solution would be 1 decoder for 3 comps or possibly 4. It should keep the corporate businesses from taking advantage and provide enough leverage for a home enthusiast.

What really puts you guys ahead of Cyberlink and others is your customer service. If something is wrong, you're quicker to solve it than the corporate outfits. People will come around and buy your products if you keep on providing the service that you're doing now. Online activation and harsh licenses put you at a disavantage to the competion IMHO.

[BetaBoy]

thats a mistake BetaBoy,you really should re-think that move,as over the years i'v talking with many amiga/phinixi/Genesi/ non windows x86/PPC developers and companys that wanted to go down that limited online internet registration and just about every one of them found that their sales were far less than they would hope because of it.

the reason is pritty simple , even in the UK, for every machine on the net, there are 100+ more that are not.

i understand as a currently small company, just starting out, you want to maximise your IP potential, but id advise you seriously think about other ways to register the products as well as the net.

the massive buzz around the HD should and indeed currently is, making a really good name for your company and product as we speak, dont spoil that by inforcing net only activation, it will only hurt your coreAVC in both the short term and the longer term, but its your choice.

as regards the one copy per machine, that too could be seen by the customer as a rather harsh move, would you consider a reduced rate for buying several copys for people that have several networked PCs and would assume they could use a copy on all of them, lots of other thoughts, but i can see many, many people thinking twice about using coreAVC after all, even if it is the fastest decoder so far and you have done such a good job of giving the end users what they want and need so far..........

Thx for the compliment.... we'll you really need to look at the larger goals we are reaching for. Unlike the 'past' our concerns are the 'connected' devices and the secure tie-ins to the products and backend devices.

With that being said... the product will have 'some' way of getting on the device... be it via some form of media or other wise.... and we will have an options for that to verify the device.

Specifically on your 'harsh' comment... when you purchase a single PC license for any CoreAVC Edition... it is essentially that... a 'single' license. In the case of AVC the 'cost' for EVERY release we do (initial downloads plus each update downloaded), there is a cost for... so essentially there are no FREE upgrades for our IP license of AVC... if we release 3 updates FREE to our users... we get charged for 3 units... thats just the way it works.

[BetaBoy]

vB']Sorry I missed your replies, my email notifications takes hours to come through for some reason???

The problem TS samples are huge [several Gb's] and I only have 200K upload but I will try and hack the first 20Mb's of each file with a hex editor and upload them as soon as I can.

I have just tested the latest CoreAVC beta and I still can't get this color bug in DVBViewer

Have you contacted Griga to see if the color bug is a DVBViewer issue???

I have a few other observations:

[1] I still can't get 25fps in DVBViewer on single core system but the performance is better and the CPU usage is now more stable [not flicking between 50 & 100%]

[2] The glitching on my dual core system seems to have gone with one exception, it can not cope with vertically scrolling text [like credits] no matter what settings I pick.

[3] If I change the de-interlaced method while DVBViewer is running it crashes sometimes [the coreavc filter causes the crash] but this does not happen in graphedit. I have emailed you some logs.

[4] I have hundreds of .yuv and .out files created on my root drive, they are 2Mb each so is there a way to disable this debug output?

Cheers,
Nick

BTW, if rapidshare is giving you grief just delete the cookie and change your IP to reset the download limits, there are some other useful tips on upload hosts here:

http://labnol.blogspot.com/2005/11/rapidshare-yousendit-megaupload-free.html
1 - try the new double framerate option
4 - Install 1.1.0.3 till we get 1.1 Final out tonight.

[acidsex]

Yes, when you purchase a license it is (as it states in the AVC licensing) for (1) PC software.


So what if I decide Id rtaher use my purchased license on my laptop instead of my desktop system? Do you expect me to buy another copy for that reason?

This who online activation stuff really is starting to look a lot like MS. I will say this though, if I had known CoreAVC was moving to this model, I would not have purchased your product to begin with.

I agree with the others and strongly advise Core to re-evaluate itsmodel and plans and to consider those customers you will end up alienating...the ones they supported you from the start. But then again, its ok as long as Core gains new customers and generates new sales right? :devil:

[yumcimil]

I have to say, having it tied to hardware is pretty disappointing. I purchased the pro version for use on my HTPC in the lounge, but also have it installed on my main PC that acts as a server. To pay $40 just for the ability to occasionally check a downloaded file seems somewhat draconian.

I think people are honest as a whole - perhaps for an example, look at Stardock, with their publication of Galactic Civilizations II? Having anti-piracy measures only ever hurts the legitimate buyers of your software (me, in this case, being unable to easily upgrade my HTPC, or check a file on my server) - the warez kiddies will always crack something they want badly enough.

I'm not sure if it would have prevented me buying the product in the first place, but I certainly didn't see anything about phone-home hardware activation when I initially purchased. It definitely seems like a slap in the face for the people who have supported you from the beginning. Please, I urge you, reconsider this approach.

[Eretria-chan]

So what if I decide Id rtaher use my purchased license on my laptop instead of my desktop system? Do you expect me to buy another copy for that reason?

This who online activation stuff really is starting to look a lot like MS. I will say this though, if I had known CoreAVC was moving to this model, I would not have purchased your product to begin with.

I agree with the others and strongly advise Core to re-evaluate itsmodel and plans and to consider those customers you will end up alienating...the ones they supported you from the start. But then again, its ok as long as Core gains new customers and generates new sales right? :devil:
I definetly agree 130% on this issue. Licenses are stupid and only hurts us.
Btw, I have an ftp server for temporary files is you don't want to use free file sharing services. If anyone is interested that is...

[Jay Bee]

Can I unregister on one machine and reregister on another?
Can I upgrade my hardware?
Can somebody link to the current license agreement? (I can't find it)

Can someone translate this:
...you really need to look at the larger goals we are reaching for. Unlike the 'past' our concerns are the 'connected' devices and the secure tie-ins to the products and backend devices.
I hope this hardware/internet unlocking scheme will not cause CoreAVC more trouble than it's worth. For example a tiny bug in the unlocking code will piss off a lot of legitimate users. I've seen it happen to other projects. Remember, keeping your customers happy is more important than fighting the pirates. The protection system will be cracked anyway so the pirates won't really care. Paying customers will.

[ChronoCross]

I would imagine they have something in place for most of these instances.

For example:
Using it on both a laptop and desktop only 2 machines would be tied to your account through the online system. by having it tied to an account they can prevent 100's of users from using the same account and still provide for flexability.

Things such as hardware upgrades would be comperable situation as you could simply unlicense one computer and readd your new configuration.

If done right online licensing can be well recieved and provide a greater level of support.

[Jay Bee]

If done right online licensing can be well recieved and provide a greater level of support.

Yes, but it's the IF I'm worried about. ;)
But let's not get ourselves all worked up until we can read the licensing agreement for 1.1.

[foxyshadis]

so essentially there are no FREE upgrades for our IP license of AVC... if we release 3 updates FREE to our users... we get charged for 3 units... thats just the way it works.
This is the unfortunate part, it's not Core's fault that MPEG LA requires fees for every machine. They would have to negotiate a special license with the MPEG LA IP committee & lawyers, and I'm sure that wouldn't be fun or cheap, if possible at all. But the MPEG license fee is only 1-2% afaik, so it surely wouldn't hurt to have a scheme of cheaper add-a-licenses to go with the main offering?

[BetaBoy]

Thx CC... what we are really are talking about here is two different schemes atm...

DS Codecs vs CorePlayer/CoreTunes.... Codecs will not be 'that' restrictive like Jay Bee mentioned.. a hardware upgrade does not effect the license.

Transfering to another PC can be done easily as well as registering an offline device. Yes... we are bound to have issues, we recognize that and to be honest i'd rather work them out with now then with CorePlayer in 8 weeks when alot more people will be registering ;-)

[BetaBoy]

Yes, but it's the IF I'm worried about. ;)
But let's not get ourselves all worked up until we can read the licensing agreement for 1.1.

Did you not notice that with 1.0 there is no EULA? In our honest opinion (and our counsels) EULA's are useless.

[asdfsauce]

Something tells me this will only hurt people who are interested in acquiring CoreAVC legitimately.

[Disabled]

Really sad to hear about the online activation and the strict licensing model. I would not have bought it if I knew it from the beginning. I was always hoping to get in legal to the Xbox, but I guess this will also be impossible then and I could have pirated CoreAvc from the beginning.
Is there a way uninstalling it when I shutdown my computer and a one click installer? This way I could use it legally on my home Computer and Laptop...
You know, besides Windows (legal) I tried to stay open source since I last reinstalled. And CoreAVC is the ONLY except to that. A activation product really does not fit into that...

[Jay Bee]

Did you not notice that with 1.0 there is no EULA? In our honest opinion (and our counsels) EULA's are useless.

Well that explains why I couldn't find it. :) But how do we know then exactly what we are allowed to do and what we aren't? Glad to hear that it wont be that strict though.

[Nick [D]vB]

Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players on live streams with CoreAVC but Cyberlink and VSS3 both set the correct resolution.

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:

252:16.905 SetMediaType OUTPUT FORMAT_VideoInfo2

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 40 02 00 00 <<--

252:16.905 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28 00 00 00 00 03 00 00

252:16.905 c0 fd ff ff 01 00 0c 00 59 56 31 32 00 20 0a 00

252:16.905 00 54 06 00 00 54 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


You can see the Value d0 02 and 40 02

These are Width and Height in HEX of the BITMAPINFOHEADER in the VIDEOINFOHEADER2 Structure

0x02d0 = 720

0x0240 = 576

CoreAVC is setting up a wrong Mediatype


Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

.

[BetaBoy]

acidsex... I have been more then open... if you follow all 70+ pages of this thread I have stated our intentions all along.

We pride ourselves on our balance of Open Source and closed projects we have at CoreCodec and we realize we will not keep everyone happy. But in the end its a 'business' and we have responsibilities to IP holders.

I have always listened just like I am now....

[BetaBoy]

vB']Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players with live streams

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I hope you don't mind but I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:




Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

Haali just fixed an aspect ratio bug that this might be from.

[Nick [D]vB]

Interesting, but I think DC-DVB Source uses it's own demux / splitter.

http://www.dsp-worx.de/?n=11

http://forum.dsp-worx.de/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=272&st=0#entry1233

Maybe Haali can help us out with this?

[BetaBoy]

vB']Interesting, but I think DC-DVB Source uses it's own demux / splitter.

http://www.dsp-worx.de/?n=11

http://forum.dsp-worx.de/index.php?act=ST&f=20&t=272&st=0#entry1233

Maybe Haali can help us out with this?

I can tell you before he can.... Haali has his plate full atm.

[Revgen]

@Betaboy

Can you send me the newest beta to my gmail account.

Thanks.

[acidsex]

acidsex... I have been more then open... if you follow all 70+ pages of this thread I have stated our intentions all along.

We pride ourselves on our balance of Open Source and closed projects we have at CoreCodec and we realize we will not keep everyone happy. But in the end its a 'business' and we have responsibilities to IP holders.

I have always listened just like I am now....

BetaBoy: I understand it is a business and I have no problems with that. I just feel that online activation goes a bit too far. Now I have three systems and only one copy of Core AVC Pro. Just last week, I uninstalled it from my desktop and installed in on my laptop. Once Core ties it to my hardware, Im screwed. Dont get me wrong, I love your product even though I dont like the idea of spending money for a decoder. But once you all hit online activation that ties it to my hardware, I hate to say it but I am done along with I am many others.

While IP holders are important, your first responsiblity is to your consumers that have already paid.

[jblade]

Betaboy, how do we go about getting on the beta test team?

P.S. any ETA on 1.1 Final?

[BetaBoy]

Betaboy, how do we go about getting on the beta test team?

P.S. any ETA on 1.1 Final?

ATM testing is over for 1.1... we are a little behind on the final installation testing but are expecting the release in the next couple of hours.... this one installer bug may set us back as late as 11am EST tomorrow.... but lets see how the next few hours go.

[Nick [D]vB]

I can tell you before he can.... Haali has his plate full atm.

Fair enough. :D

I suppose DeCoder can just add a work-around like Griga's.

I finally managed to re-produce the "green bar" bug,

I only get it with the "Video format detection" box cleared.

I assumed people had already tried this as it's all explained in the DVBViewer thread.

Good luck squashing that installer bug, I know lots of people are looking forward to using CoreAVC to watch the match...

[maxleung]

Locking CoreAVC to hardware is an unpleasant surprise. If I had known CoreAVC would be going in that direction I never would have purchased CoreAVC Pro in the first place. Oh wait - who am I kidding? It was on sale that day. :P

I bought CoreAVC opening night too...really love the codec. But this hardware licensing scheme crosses the line for me.

TheaterTek had gone the hardware licensing route for a few years, but last year they removed the restriction and I am sure they massively increased their sales and drastically reduced the load on customer support.

Please reconsider - or come up with an easy way to re-activate the codec when you change PCs - TheaterTek had an automated system in place that would have a limited number of activations (and a time period between activations) to prevent abuse. This would allow HTPC enthusiasts to tinker with PCs - who perform hardware upgrades, replace defective parts, experiment with builds, etc. a chance to keep CoreAVC around.

The fact that TheaterTek retired the system must show that there is little to no benefit to hardware locking. I've only seen them used successfully for hardware and software products in the multi-thousand dollar range - purchased by big corporations where the stakes are much higher.

[Foreigner999]

I have been keeping up with the last 70 pages and unless i was blind for the last 70 pages this is big news to me. Hardware locking sounds like an unattractive offer and i share alot of the same sentiments like alot of others have expressed. I wouldn't mind paying more per pc if the price is reasonable.

Like 20$ usd for the primary license and 3 dollars for each additional license. But 60$ for three pc's sounds like an absurd amount. I Thought the creators/patent holders of AVC, the technology, only charged about a few cents per license? I change systems alot so i dunno how this will affect me. I really dont mind if the new online activation system is gentle on paying customers and harsh on pirates really.

I dont see how your going to go about convincing an avid anime community to buy your codec if a good portion of the world has more than one PC/smartphone/ipod/xbox. Your primarily a buissness, when a high "per device" fee comes around i only see people perceiving coreavc as an unattractive offer if they have to plunk down alot of $$$ to have it in use on all thier devices.
A novel invention and implementation but way too costly to use if you looking for ease of use and efficiency.

Besides, lets face the facts. Computers/devices _will_ get faster and the current situation with avc will not be the same in the future. Features, novelty and being the first to leave an impression on the world is good buisness sense. Otherwise, an open source implementation will catch-up or replace coreavc (yes thats my opinion).

[jblade]

I have been keeping up with the last 70 pages and unless i was blind for the last 70 pages this is big news to me. Hardware locking sounds like an unattractive offer and i share alot of the same sentiments like alot of others have expressed. I wouldn't mind paying more per pc if the price is reasonable.

Like 20$ usd for the primary license and 3 dollars for each additional license. But 60$ for three pc's sounds like an absurd amount. I Thought the creators/patent holders of AVC, the technology, only charged about a few cents per license? I change systems alot so i dunno how this will affect me. I really dont mind if the new online activation system is gentle on paying customers and harsh on pirates really.

I dont see how your going to go about convincing an avid anime community to buy your codec if a good portion of the world has more than one PC/smartphone/ipod/xbox. Your primarily a buissness, when a high "per device" fee comes around i only see people perceiving coreavc as an unattractive offer if they have to plunk down alot of $$$ to have it in use on all thier devices.
A novel invention and implementation but way too costly to use if you looking for ease of use and efficiency.

Besides, lets face the facts. Computers/devices _will_ get faster and the current situation with avc will not be the same in the future. Features, novelty and being the first to leave an impression on the world is good buisness sense. Otherwise, an open source implementation will catch-up or replace coreavc (yes thats my opinion).
agreed. The developers, dont want just the money they earned for their product... they have gotten extroardinarly greedy.

[W3ird_N3rd]

Oh no. Oh no oh no oh no.

Over the last year I've been trying to make all of my software legal, one way or another. Some software is so old I just can't buy it anymore, too bad. Others have been replaced with open source. I paid for other programs. Uninstalled some.

There was one big exception. I tried to get Linux running a few times, but it seems it's still not entirely ready for the desktop. So the exception was Windows. The price wasn't even the problem. I just do not want a product that uses Product Activation. Exactly the technology you are going to use now.

One week ago I bought a Windows license anyway. Still, I'm not sure about if I will install the media that comes with it. I don't want that activation crap on my PC! What if the software company goes bankrupt? You can kiss your software goodbye and never install it again? Sure, MS can't go bankrupt, they are just to big. But that's not the case with CoreCodec. You are small.

Now CoreAVC goes the same way. Really too bad.

I want to make a Linux dualboot anyway, and if I can get my DVB-C/S cards working, the only solution to watch h.264 streams will probably be CoreAVC, when the Linux version comes to the market. But with Product Activation, I can't accept it.

I'll probably stick with Windows (Cyberlink decoder, yes, I paid for that!!) and Standard Def for Linux until some opensource fast h.264 decoder comes. If you follow this way with product activation, CoreAVC isn't going to be my solution.

So I think you could say you just lost another very potential customer. I don't give a shit about a bloody $20 to get h.264 running on Linux in the future. I don't even give a shit about $40 or whatever for such a thing. I don't care it's closed source. But I'm not going to buy any more products with product activation! Windows XP was an exception, and I'm not going to buy Vista. Before Windows XP gets entirely obsolete (will take at least 5 years probably), I'll probably switch to Linux, or if that's not possible, I might buy a Mac. 5 years is a long time. But for sure, there is no product activation in my future. And if CoreAVC will incorporate Product Activation, CoreAVC will not be my future.

I have spoken. Thanks for listening.

[rura]

I'll chime in to say that, as another paying customer who bought on the first day of availability, I'm also very disappointed in this possibility. Why should I even use the legitimate version (that I paid for!!!) when I could just grab a cracked copy off the internet? Inconveniencing paying customers while only mildly inconveniencing the crackers (and those who download the cracked version won't even know there was an activation!) is a poor way to go...

[W3ird_N3rd]

You're right. The crackers won't feel a thing. People who usually use illegal software will now either use a cracked version of CoreAVC without stupid checks, or they'll switch to Cyberlink or some other decoder. They won't feel a thing of your activation. Paying customers will.

I think I should also make a bit more clear why I don't like PA, besides the software becoming useless if the company goes bankrupt and problems with upgrading/switching hardware.

By using PA you imply you don't trust your customers. You assume they are ALL thieves, and therefor they have to go through a check.

In The Netherlands we would say: Zo de waard is vertrouwd hij zijn gasten. It's hard but I'll try to translate that: The host will trust his guests as much as the host himself can be trusted.

In other words, if you don't trust us, why would we trust you?

[f@chance]

To add my voice and slant to this topic of activation.

I was impressed with your switch in releasing Pro v 1.1 and dropping your plans of what should go into v. 1.1 in favour of the Londoners that want to watch the World Cup in High Def. As a former ISV I know the headaches associated with producing decent software and that you deserve to be rewarded for your stellar efforts. Even though my 2 year old (at that time top performance) can't handle the live decoding, I nevertheless wanted to pay for your decoder because you deserve a reward for your hard work since you have to pay bills and feed a family.

However with Conroe being expected Q3 2006 I certainly will not upgrade my hardware now and with you going to Product activation well I believe you just lost my purchase of your product even though I will not be using it until I do a Hardware upgrade.

The Laptop is highspec and possibly could do live broadcast decoding, but again considering the life span of laptops I don't think I will buy a product that I can't use a few months down the road because it is tied to a hardware platform.

All I want is your product on the device that I own that I and ONLY I will use when I am behind the keyboard.

You figure out a way on how to do this and we are in business again.

Dimadsoft have done a protection with there product DVD Remake that is very copy protective yet at the same time allows me the license holder to use it on the device that I am operating.

[Hans Ohlo]

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

This is all part of what we are doing with our long term plans with CorePlayer Mobile/PMP/Desktop and our Media Library (internally called CoreTunes).
you can't be serious!

i paid for your coreavc pro, but if you go down this road i think it will scare away possibe customers and the warez/hacked version will ALWAYS be there.

for me the best thing with coreavc was, that it was affordable and easy to use. but with all that stuff about registration and hardware locking or one computer licence coreavc takes itself to serious. concentrate on making the product better and not how to scare away potential customers!

i have to add: if i knew what would come with this licencing scheme i would have NOT purchased coreavc!

just think about what nvidia just told about purevideo HD... which will also be around 30$

[dimzon]

Not much anyone can do about that... As I had indicated earlier... starting with CoreAVC 1.1 we will require online authentication to activate CoreAVC

All warezed versions have been flagged and the users that registered it will not be capable of registering any other Core products with the same name/email address/cc.

With CoreAVC 1.2 Our Core Account system locks in specific hardware to the CoreNumber which is tied directly to the device and account.

Hmmm... Personally I like huge amount of users really hate this way (StarForce-like way)... So prepare to massive boycott from End-Users

PS. Intellectual Property protection MUST BE well-balanced with End-User comfort. And anyway it's mostly impossible to protect against crackers...

[Oxygen]

Specifically on your 'harsh' comment... when you purchase a single PC license for any CoreAVC Edition... it is essentially that... a 'single' license. In the case of AVC the 'cost' for EVERY release we do (initial downloads plus each update downloaded), there is a cost for... so essentially there are no FREE upgrades for our IP license of AVC... if we release 3 updates FREE to our users... we get charged for 3 units... thats just the way it works.

So basically, this 1 pc per licence only is due to the MPLAA ?

They do not allow to sell a licence without having a way to track all the licences sold, and locking each licence to one (and only one) hardware ?

[Theliel]

well, i understand betaboy politics. in the end, all is business. But... if a soft is very good, cracked version is unavoidable. I thing only harmer will be users buy legal soft.

lock in hardware... it's a dangerous decision

[works]

Getting back to tech issues on hand:

I'm testing CoreAVC with the BBC "Planet Earth BBC HD" content and for now I get much better quality deinterlacing and stable playback on the PowerDVD7 decoder than with CoreAVC. I'm using an AMD X2 4400+ and ATI X1800XT. Disabling deinterlacing and deblocking completely gives me somewhat similar framerate as I get with Cyberlink with everything on. Any toughts what to do?

[Oxygen]

Getting back to tech issues on hand:

I'm testing CoreAVC with the BBC "Planet Earth BBC HD" content and for now I get much better quality deinterlacing and stable playback on the PowerDVD7 decoder than with CoreAVC. I'm using an AMD X2 4400+ and ATI X1800XT. Disabling deinterlacing and deblocking completely gives me somewhat similar framerate as I get with Cyberlink with everything on. Any toughts what to do?

I'd say your cyberlink uses ATI avivo stuff :)

[BetaBoy]

You guys need to chill a bit ;-) We just released CoreAVC 1.1 Professional Edition... for the sake of us listening to you everyone we did it with NO server-side authentication for now.

[works]

I'd say your cyberlink uses ATI avivo stuff :)

That it indeed does, but the it doesn't benefit from it that much unless it is able to do the deinterlacing in ATI hardware. I have no idea how MBAFF works in reality so I can only guess.

Waiting for DXVA support for CoreAVC then :)

[adapter]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

[GodofaGap]

Does the MPEG-LA really demands hardware locking? Do other companies (Nero, Cyberlink) require that? And if they don't should the MPEG-LA be preparing for law-suits?

If so, I think it is the MPEG-LA that needs to be boycotted. Interoperability my ass.

[works]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

If it doesn't play the recordings smoothly I highly suspect that it won't perform any better on the live stuff :p

I'll do more tests when I get my DVB-t card delivered.

[BetaBoy]

Let me just finish my thoughts on the CorePlayer/CoreTunes model vs. our directshow filters registrations.

CP/CT
Please have no doubt that with CorePlayer/CoreTunes we will have server-side authentication and hardware lockin for the user. This is required for many reason including device type, Core Account linking, UPNP/DLNA/SyncML functionality. For more technical side read below...

CoreAVC/DS Filters
Let me explain the system for a possible future CoreAVC that would "tie" the installed copy of CoreAVC to specific hardware. There have been many misconceptions listed here about what this system will do, how it will work, etc.

First off, this system is being instituted for a number of reasons. CoreCodec, as a H.264 patent licensee, has royalties which must be paid, depending on the number of units distributed. These patent licenses have a variety of terms (depends on which patent), which place obligations on CoreCodec. These obligations include (in some cases) security requirements for access control, as well as reporting requirements. Part of the design of the system is to allow us to kill off older versions of the software and issue updates when they become available.

The upcoming system is also designed to be as minimally invasive as possible. Like the current version of CoreAVC, each user will be provided with a custom-built installer. This installer will contain a serial number, just like the current version does. For internet-connected users (most of you, since you have to be online to download and purchase CoreAVC), the installer will take care of everything automatically. For users installing on computers which are not connected to the internet, you will need to (one time) visit a single URL, and enter in a short hardware code.

CoreAVC will generate a hardware hash, which is designed to be very tolerant of hardware changes, but unlikely to work on other machines. An automated system will be set up to allow you to "clear" your account a limited number of times (for moving from one machine to another, or for severe hardware changes). If additional changes need to be authorized, you can simply drop us an email, and one of us will respond within 24 hours.

Although this system is partially designed to combat piracy, it's primary purpose is to (hopefully, still have to get the lawyers involved) allow us to provide free updates to CoreAVC, (rather than having to pay patent royalties on every version). The old copy doesn't get destroyed until the new one is installed (no retroactive deactivation of copies). We're not like starforce - no drivers are installed, and no other programs are affected outside CoreAVC. We don't force updates down your throat, deactivate old copies until new ones are installed, add any services, phone home every run, or run other programs when CoreAVC is not in use. For the vast majority of users, it won't ever be an issue, as they will never see any dialogs, get told they can't do something, or have to even type in a cd-key. As for us building an invasive hardware profile, there simply isn't enough data passed to be an issue. For example, your CD-ROM is assigned a number of 1-7, based on which model you have. Put simply, even if we look at the number for your CD-ROM, you still share the identifier with 1/7 of all the CD-ROM models out there (thousands).

Now enjoy CoreAVC 1.1 and lets get back to the codec ;-)

[AS]

Bah, uniquely locks into my hardware, so if I upgrade my pc I am screwed even when I have a legit license? Not even microsoft is like this, thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the "technological preview" version then.

[SL2]

CoreAVC 1.1 works perfectly for me watching BBC HD live. :thanks: :thanks: :D :D

I am using a Dell 5150 Pentium 820 2.8 Ghz Dual Core.

[adspence]

vB']Sorry to go off-topic, and it's probably a bit late to mention this now but I think I've found a possible bug.

I am testing with DC-DVB Source and CoreAVC seem to get the resolution wrong, I just get a 720X576 section from the top left corner:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1059/corner1cb.jpg

This happens in all media players on live streams with CoreAVC but Cyberlink and VSS3 both set the correct resolution.

It could be a bug in DC-DVB because the corner cut-out issue also happens with the MainConcept/Elecard/Sonic decoder [screenshot]

I sent DeCoder a debug log from the CoreAVC beta and he says:




Given the fact that DVBViewer displays the correct resolution there must be some way to over-come this problem.

Any thoughts?

.

I was actually getting something similar with DC-DVB and Cyberlink a couple of days ago. It seems to be DC-DVB related, as the graph showed it wasn't picking up the right filter at all - and using Nvidia Video Decoder instead. Strange thing is that it displayed anything at all - the nvidia decoder should only deal with MPEG2 not H264.

I have no idea why DC-DVB wanted to use the wrong filter. I'd created a DVB source file that said "MPEG2=Nvidia and H264=Cyberlink"...but it ignored me. I had to set BOTH to Cyberlink to get it to do what I wanted. Unfortunately I must have introduced a conflict at some point because now DVBviewer doesn't work at all...and that was fine for VMR7 - not any more. Clean and reinstall in order? Again!

[cookeal]

Hi,

Made an attempt to purchase 1.1 - got my Paypal receipt but no download page or confirmation email.

Have emailed receipt number - How do I proceed please?

[BetaBoy]

Hi,

Made an attempt to purchase 1.1 - got my Paypal receipt but no download page or confirmation email.

Have emailed receipt number - How do I proceed please?
You can email me betaboy@corecodec.com with your PayPal transcaction # and email you registered with and i'll look into it.

[Eeknay]

With the new CoreAVC 1.1 on BBC test material/Planet Earth;

Only get smooth playback with No Deblocking and Double Framerate. Of course, without the deblocking some scenes look worse than they should. Any other options don't give me full framerate.

CPU is Athlon X2 4200+

I'm sure once the BBC and other channels start using sane bitrates, playback will be smoother.

[ukp]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?

Not for me. Its slightly jerky still. This is using dvbviewer, so it might be that thats the problem I dunno.

[Oxygen]

That it indeed does, but the it doesn't benefit from it that much unless it is able to do the deinterlacing in ATI hardware. I have no idea how MBAFF works in reality so I can only guess.

Waiting for DXVA support for CoreAVC then :)

Reading MBAFF interlacing and deinterlacing MBAFF interlaced files are two different things.

ATI does have one of the best deinterlace algo using their hardware, so i very much think cyberlink got a hand on the gpu avivo tools for that :)

[Oxygen]

Is coreavc 1.1 working smoothly on live BBC HD broadcat?
On my P4 3.2C, as i said earlier, it provides a smooth playback for a 10Mbits stream (FTV HD), but i have to deactivate the deblocking.

Watch out too for the crc on the stream: FTV HD has a very poor crc (2/3) while TF1 HD has a higher crc (1/2)

[Morte66]

How do we upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1? There only seems to be an option to buy 1.1 from scratch.

{edit: scratch that, the update download email arrived a few minutes after I posted it}

[Oxygen]

Bah, uniquely locks into my hardware, so if I upgrade my pc I am screwed even when I have a legit license? Not even microsoft is like this, thanks but no thanks. I'll stick with the "technological preview" version then.

CoreAVC will generate a hardware hash, which is designed to be very tolerant of hardware changes, but unlikely to work on other machines. An automated system will be set up to allow you to "clear" your account a limited number of times (for moving from one machine to another, or for severe hardware changes). If additional changes need to be authorized, you can simply drop us an email, and one of us will respond within 24 hours.

What didn't you get ?

[turntoyou]

Not for me. Its slightly jerky still. This is using dvbviewer, so it might be that thats the problem I dunno.

Which Version are you using? There is also dvbviewer ge available which is smaller with less functionality. It is available in the member download section.

turntoyou

[cookeal]

Dont mean to hassle - but the football kicks off in a few hours....

Any luck with my paypal ref etc... ;-)

Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Any of you guys got the necessary equipment capture any of these streams?

Aparently BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, Channel 4 and Five are all taking part in some form or another....


Cheers

[Eeknay]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.

BBC HD is showing the HD Preview on loop until the football starts. ITV HD is showing some overhead shots of London at the moment, again until the football starts. C4 + five have only got a splash screen with their starting dates (next few days).

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.Sounds cool ;)

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.I knew I never should moved away from London.... Bummer!

[Oxygen]

Yes. You can cap them using a standard DVB-T card (I have a Hauppauge Win Nova-T) and TSReader.

BBC HD is showing the HD Preview on loop until the football starts. ITV HD is showing some overhead shots of London at the moment, again until the football starts. C4 + five have only got a splash screen with their starting dates (next few days).

I also picked up a Humax STB as part of the trial, so I can watch them in real time without CoreAVC if I need to.

Actually, you may even capture the streams with your regular software if it allows you to capture PS/TS (it's my case with a DTV 1000T from leadtek).
I added the exact freq of the DVB channel, and it detects the correct streams as TSReader.

But, of course, with this solution i can't watch live :)

[Eeknay]

Yeah, true, it depends on the software though. I can cap it with WebScheduler with custom details if I want, but the resultant file can't be edited with audio (TSReader can).

[BetaBoy]

Sorry guys who just purchased CoreAVC in the past few hours... I mistakenly omited a script... I have restored it and am manually sending the registrations from the past few hours out now.

[ChronoCross]

how long does the link last? My own computer is in storage right now (it'll be unpacked next week).

[BetaBoy]

how long does the link last? My own computer is in storage right now (it'll be unpacked next week).
When you get it unpacked... email me... i'll take care of it for you.

[Eeknay]

Just tried new CoreAVC with a bit of the football that's on at the moment, and it seems to be fine with deblocking left on now (and double framerate). Guess it didn't like the stuff I was trying before (which had errors in the stream).

[emmel]

Hi,
Thanks for the update.
Small question about ts-support:
I have a collection of demo captures (ts-files) from several European providers: all interlaced but not mbaff. Now, with the new version of CoreAVC/Haali splitter, some of them play ok, some of them produce a black screen, and some make the splitter fail (Error: First element of file is not EBML). Are there some restrictions that I should be aware of?
All files play fine with CoreAVC and MPC, if demuxed with mplayer and wrapped in mp4.

[BetaBoy]

Hi,
Thanks for the update.
Small question about ts-support:
I have a collection of demo captures (ts-files) from several European providers: all interlaced but not mbaff. Now, with the new version of CoreAVC/Haali splitter, some of them play ok, some of them produce a black screen, and some make the splitter fail (Error: First element of file is not EBML). Are there some restrictions that I should be aware of?
All files play fine with CoreAVC and MPC, if demuxed with mplayer and wrapped in mp4.

Try to uninstall the current Haali Splitter.... reboot and then install CoreAVC 1.1 again... make sure that when it gets to the splitter install that 'Enable MPEG TS support' is checked.

If you still have the issue... email a sample file to me via yousendit.com to betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll have Haali review it.

[cookeal]

Still no download link.... second half of the football has started :~(

[ChronoCross]

When you get it unpacked... email me... i'll take care of it for you.

Thanks I will.

[BetaBoy]

Users that had registered 1.0 Professional Edition have been sent upgrades via email... check your spam folders... then email me if its not there.

[cookeal]

have mailed you - thanks

[maxleung]

Thanks for the clarification on the license process. Basically it matches what TheaterTek uses and I can tolerate that. :)

BTW, the latest TheaterTek allows use of custom graphs and I can play h.264 files using CoreAVC, Haali Media Splitter, FFDShow audio, and DirectVobSub.

[tomos]

Users that had registered 1.0 Professional Edition have been sent upgrades via email... check your spam folders... then email me if its not there.

need to mail also.

[Blueking]

I tryed CoreAVC on the today's BBC HD Football match, but found Cyberlink PowerDVD 7 codex runs much more smoother when using VR7 and VR9 modes.
I not had any Lip sync audio issues with CoreAVC, but if I select "Directshow deinterlacing" it runs slower and I get Purple and Green pictures on both Skyview and DvbViewer.

I'm using am AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core 3800 CPU + Nvidia 7800GT + Asus A8N32-SLI/Deluxe Motherboard + DvbViewer GE V2_0_1

Loaded NVIDIA Forceware V91.28 (Beta) Graphics driver on XP Media Centre and NVIDIA AC3 audio decoder.

I also tested it on a Dual Core Intel setup and CoreAVC seems to run faster than Cyberlink.

I'm very happy with both setups.

[works]

Yes, lets get back to the tech issues.

I've now run some more tests with my X2 3800 running at 2.6Ghz and found that I average about half of the actual framerate and my CPU utilization with software deinterlacing and skipping deblocking for b-frames was around 40-50%, utilizing quite evenly both cores. Quite strange. Using 'software double framerate' brings me up to ~33fps, when it should achieve 50, with the same CPU stats. This is the the BBC HD 'Planet Earth' footage.

What-am-I-doing-wrong-here?

[The1]

Hi there,

Wonderfull is all I can say. Performance is so much better then the nearest rival. Cyberlink go back to the drawing board.

Have one problem, using dvbviewer and coreavc. I get a slight freeze when the video buffers get to 1000. Is there any way to get rid of it?

Thanks

and great work guys!!

[olisun]

Performance is so much better then the nearest rival. Cyberlink go back to the drawing board.

are you sure??

It's worse than Cyberlink for me

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Dan,

How about starting a new thread dedicated to discussing CoreAVC and HDTV decoding?

Maybe Bond could move some of these posts into it too...


Cheers

[PicardGK]

I tryed CoreAVC on the today's BBC HD Football match, but found Cyberlink PowerDVD 7 codex runs much more smoother when using VR7 and VR9 modes.

Did you change the color space output to prefer RGB32 in CoreAVC properties? I made some tests and it seems using RGB32 has some performance penalties with VR7 and VR9 compared to YUV outputs. I'am not sure what we can do about that.

For me YUV outputs performed similar speed with VR7, VR9 and old overlay mixer.

[tomos]

after stopping cyberlink from trying to take over the decoding of my bbc HD transport stream this worked well.

had to disable the deinterlacing as my 4400+ X2 couldnt handle it without stuttering. smooth without.

[PicardGK]

I've now run some more tests with my X2 3800 running at 2.6Ghz and found that I average about half of the actual framerate and my CPU utilization with software deinterlacing and skipping deblocking for b-frames was around 40-50%, utilizing quite evenly both cores. Quite strange.

It is strange. What player are you using?

Could you try benchmarking the same clip with http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/timeCodec.exe selecting CoreAVC? Try different outputs (also Null) and check the CPU utilization and display fps ("dfps" in timeCodec)

[PicardGK]

had to disable the deinterlacing as my 4400+ X2 couldnt handle it without stuttering. smooth without.

Could you check the CPU utilization during decoding? In theory deinterlacing doesn't eat that much cpu time, especially if you don't use the double framerate mode. Maybe this is a similar issue as "works" have on his X2 3800...

Also try selecting YUY2 output in CoreAVC's properties with turned off deinterlacing, because at the moment software deinterlacing doesn't support planar YUV modes and maybe the slowdown is not related to deinterlacing, but the different color format used (YV12 vs YUY2).

[tomos]

Could you check the CPU utilization during decoding? In theory deinterlacing doesn't eat that much cpu time, especially if you don't use the double framerate mode. Maybe this is a similar issue as "works" have on his X2 3800...

Also try selecting YUY2 output in CoreAVC's properties with turned off deinterlacing, because at the moment software deinterlacing doesn't support planar YUV modes and maybe the slowdown is not related to deinterlacing, but the different color format used (YV12 vs YUY2).

i will do when i am home after work mate. it deffo affected it tho. i was messing around this morning with a sample i was sent and it was in the 90's% with power dvd v7 and spiking like crazy with core avc and deinterlace enabled from 70-90's% disabled deinterlace and was about 40-60%

didnt see a visual difference with deinterlace turned on or off tho - thats why i wasnt bothered with the performance when deinterlace was turned on. will try the yv12 etc thing tonight :)

[PicardGK]

didnt see a visual difference with deinterlace turned on or off tho - thats why i wasnt bothered with the performance when deinterlace was turned on. will try the yv12 etc thing tonight :)

Are you sure you disabled deinterlacing and not deblocking? Was it an interlaced sample? Deinterlacing turn on/off should make a difference with an interlaced sample, unless there is minimal movement.

[tomos]

Are you sure you disabled deinterlacing and not deblocking? Was it an interlaced sample? Deinterlacing turn on/off should make a difference with an interlaced sample, unless there is minimal movement.

did both originally. then i turned deblocking back on and left deinterlacing off. didnt see a diff really. the image was really clear either way. just no stutter without deinterlace ;)

[tomos]

just checked with logmein.com and its using yuy2 with deinterlacing turned on and yv12 when turned off (according to which is active in the coreavc properties page)

quite a bit of movement as well. the clip i was checking out was to do with tigers hoping around :D

[BetaBoy]

are you sure??

It's worse than Cyberlink for me
olisun... can you explain further what issues you are having?

[rura]

1.1 is giving me a strange issue where I have to kill the WMP10 process to close it every time I open an AVC. I am running MCE2005 with rollup 2. I have downgraded back to 1.0 for now and it works fine.

[Pasqui]

Is only CoreAVC Professional Edition updated ? I previously registered CoreAVC Standard Edition and I did not receive an upgrade notification (and my spam filter does not seem to be the culprit)

[BetaBoy]

ATM only CoreAVC Professional Edition was updated... we are working on Standard Edition as we speak and hope to have it out late today or tomorrow.

All Standard Edition users will be notified by email on the update availability.

[works]

It is strange. What player are you using?

Could you try benchmarking the same clip with TimeCodec (http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/timeCodec.exe) selecting CoreAVC? Try different outputs (also Null) and check the CPU utilization and display fps ("dfps" in timeCodec)

I'm using the latest official version of ZoomPlayer. I'd love to try that TimeCodec, but currently the stuff that I use for testing is in transport stream container and that tool does not support it. I'll see if I can mux the .ts to .mkv.

[PicardGK]

I'm using the latest official version of ZoomPlayer. I'd love to try that TimeCodec, but currently the stuff that I use for testing is in transport stream container and that tool does not support it. I'll see if I can mux the .ts to .mkv.

I think if you are using Haali's TS splitter you can just rename the .ts file to .mkv and open in timeCodec.exe.

[videomixer9]

it should open .ts without any tricks, just type in "*.ts" in the file open dialog under filename and open the .ts

[ChronoCross]

I'm a little dissapointed the lossless problem I reported wasn't fixed. but I was excited to see that some of the other annoyances were. Thanks.

[works]

it should open .ts without any tricks, just type in "*.ts" in the file open dialog under filename and open the .ts

Gotcha, I was having a SUE (stupid user error).

In anycase, I've now got (finally) Haali's splitter to play nice with Cyberlink's decoder, C's own demuxer didn't want to serve any other filters than their own, and have finally been able to objectively test both CoreAVC and Cyberlinks solution.

The only way that I can get the BBC HD material to play even close to smooth with Core is to use the 'software double framerate' that will increase the framerate to ~35 and drop frames in VMR7 or 9 like crazy. This accompanied with deinterlacing errors on text and at the very edges of the image makes it, for now, unusable for me. I get smooth playback (when the source is error-free) with Haali+Cyberlink combo and perfect deinterlacing when using the DXVA (ATI Avivo) option in Cyberlink. And much more graceful error handling. Core indeed doesn't use as much CPU as Cyberlink does, but since as a whole it is unusable for me, I don't really care how much headroom would have got left with it. As it is now, Cyberlink will never hit 100% CPU on my 2.6Ghz dualcore and the only errors I get are already in the sourcefile.

I'm looking forward for updates.

[Revgen]

Have you tried using standard overlay with CoreAVC?

[blubberbirne]

I got a Problem with the new Hali Splitter

When i enable it in mplayer classic, my regular dvb-s (mpeg2) streams don't work. Now picture while Playback :mad:

[pankov]

I too have some problems with the Haali splitter. Mine are concernitg aspect ratio problems with MPEG2 captures and the following message

---------------------------
Haali Media Splitter
---------------------------
Invalid first byte of EBML ID: 00
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------


So how do we contact Haali directly as this doesn't concern CoreAVC

[videomixer9]

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.6.exe
some ts parser improvements, other minor stuff fixed

you can find haali on irc on irc.chatsociety.net (irc://irc.chatsociety.net/darkhold). Also I think he should be member of Doom9 forum, dunno if he checks on his messages though, but his last post was today.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Here's Haali's Doom9 contact information...

http://forum.doom9.org/member.php?find=lastposter&t=96588

[BetaBoy]

based on feedback and fixes made plus Haali's new udpates... we will likely come out with CoreAVC 1.1.0.6 by Wednesday/Thursday.

[blubberbirne]

based on feedback and fixes made plus Haali's new udpates... we will likely come out with CoreAVC 1.1.0.6 by Wednesday/Thursday.

Sounds good. Waiting for Wednesday :)

[lazyn00b]

Performance is great, but repeat playback of .mp4 and .mov files (with H.264 video) is seriously unreliable. Almost every time I play an H.264 video and close WMP, I have to kill a rogue wmplayer.exe process before I can play another video. This occurs not only with my own x264 encodes, but also with Apple's and Nero's movie trailers. This problem does not occur with videos using codecs other than CoreAVC.

I'm using FFDshow to handle the AAC audio and WMP 10 for playback. My PC is a dual core Pentium D 820 with 1 GB of memory and Intel's 945P chipset; the video card is an ATI PCIe X1600 Pro. My OS is MCE 2005 w/ Rollup 2.

[blubberbirne]

@BetaBoy

Could you please clear your PM Box :)

[toytown]

Performance is great, but repeat playback of .mp4 and .mov files (with H.264 video) is seriously unreliable. Almost every time I play an H.264 video and close WMP, I have to kill a rogue wmplayer.exe process before I can play another video.

Working perfectly here, although i have only tried with MP4 and MKV containers, using encodes from x264/nero etc

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy

Could you please clear your PM Box :)
cleared .... sorry... I did not realize I reached 100 messages in less then 2 weeks ;-)

[Shakey_Jake33]

1.1 is giving me a strange issue where I have to kill the WMP10 process to close it every time I open an AVC. I am running MCE2005 with rollup 2. I have downgraded back to 1.0 for now and it works fine.
This sounds very similar to a problem I am having.
I posted it over at the CoreAVC forums, but I'll c+p it here (might get a few replies here actually).

"Having a little problem where I can open H264-encoded video's on my main monitor (which my graphics driver has always detected as my secondary for some reason, but it's set as Primary within Windows), but not on my secondary. I have tried both Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player 11 Beta and both have the same problem - the players will freeze when attempting to open the file. They open fine when the players are on the main monitor.

To make things more confusing, some files DO work. I have no idea if these files are encoded differently, though I can find out.

This never happened on 1.0, and reinstalling 1.1 did not solve the problem. Also, disabling deblocking and deinterlacing did not help either.
Setting the H264 decoding to ffdshow did solve the problem, but I'd obviously prefer to use CoreAVC.

All files are .mkv with either AAC or Vorbis audio.

Here's my setup -

AthlonXP 2600+ Barton (@ default clock)
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB DDR 400 (1x1GB)
HIS IceQ Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (@Core, DHZeropoint drivers)
ABit NF7-S V2.0 nForce2 400
Soundblaster X-Fi XtremeMusic.

Main Monitor - LG Flatron L1915S LCD (1280x1024 @ 75Hz)
Seconary Monitor - LG 26LX2R LCD HDTV (1360x768 @ 60Hz)

If you need any more info, please say."

[lazyn00b]

OK, I can confirm: switching to FFDShow to decode AVC, but keeping the Haali Splitter, solves the problem with rogue wmplayer.exe process. So there must be some problem with the CoreAVC 1.1, at least on MCE 2005 systems.

[BetaBoy]

This bug has been fixed.... any other MAJOR bugs anyone else has found? Oh... btw if you found a problem... please backup the issue by sending me a clip of the problem via yousendit.com to betaboy@corecodec.com and in the notes explain the issue and we will look into it.

[Jay Bee]

This bug has been fixed.... any other MAJOR bugs anyone else has found? Oh... btw if you found a problem... please backup the issue by sending me a clip of the problem via yousendit.com to betaboy@corecodec.com and in the notes explain the issue and we will look into it.

I get no sound output with MP3 audio in TS.
Clip here:
http://starwars.hdclips.net/sith/selecttragedy.htm

Edit: It seems that the audio of the clip isn't mp3 but mp2. The Haali Splitter says the audio stream sub type is 00000055-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71 which is the sub type for mp3 in ZP which is why it doesn't work. Bug or Feature?

[blubberbirne]

Ok, it know this is the wrong thread, but most of you have captured ts stream or watch them.

How can i cut H264 TS Stream? I test a lot of tools, but most not working with H264 :(

Thx for answers :p

[SeeMoreDigital]

I get no sound output with MP3 audio in TS.
Clip here:
http://starwars.hdclips.net/sith/selecttragedy.htm

Edit: It seems that the audio of the clip isn't mp3 but mp2. The Haali Splitter says the audio stream sub type is 00000055-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71 which is the sub type for mp3 in ZP which is why it doesn't work. Bug or Feature?The following version of Haali's splitter seems to fair a bit better: -

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.6.exe

Here's the information Haali reports: -

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5293/haali1hi.png

A good test clip by the way.... It's nice to see pure progressive MPEG-2 running at 23.976 FPS


Cheers

[Jay Bee]

The following version of Haali's splitter seems to fair a bit better: -

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.6.exe

Here's the information Haali reports: -

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5293/haali1hi.png

A good test clip by the way.... It's nice to see pure progressive MPEG-2 running at 23.976 FPS


Cheers

Just tested, same issue.

Could you try to explain the meaning of the screenshot you posted? Where is the screen from? Does the Haali splitter connect the audio output pin to an MP3 decoder for you as well or is it only Zoom Player that works with the sub-type codes in this manner?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Just tested, same issue.

Could you try to explain the meaning of the screenshot you posted? Where is the screen from? Does the Haali splitter connect the audio output pin to an MP3 decoder for you as well or is it only Zoom Player that works with the sub-type codes in this manner?When you "left click" on the Haali icon running in the system tray, that's the PID information Haali returns!

Like you implied though, Haali's PID info is not correct because DGIndex lists this: -

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2883/dgindex2tk.png


And MediaPlaye Classics own .TS filter reports this: -

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6629/mpc3mo.jpg


Cheers

[Jay Bee]

Ah thx, I got it now.

[SeeMoreDigital]

By the way...the file plays great in hardware :D

(I really do think we could do with a dedicated CoreAVC/Haali thread)

[Jay Bee]

(I really do think we could do with a dedicated CoreAVC/Haali thread)

Personally I think that Core should use their own forums. They could have sections for bug reports, threads on different subjects like hardware, settings, lisensing, HD, SD etc. All nice and tidy and everybody would know where to go for everthing concerning CoreAVC. Right now it seems a bit odd that you are more likely to get support by posting here in this 76 page thread than at Core forums.

[BetaBoy]

Personally I think that Core should use their own forums. They could have sections for bug reports, threads on different subjects like hardware, settings, lisensing, HD, SD etc. All nice and tidy and everybody would know where to go for everthing concerning CoreAVC. Right now it seems a bit odd that you are more likely to get support by posting here in this 76 page thread than at Core forums.

Jay Bee... thats like saying MS, Nero, Ateme, DivX should use theirs (as they post here as well icydnk). Notice my registration date at Doom9.. and yours with 23 posts?

If you think this is wrong... post to the "Forum / Site Suggestions & Help" not this thread.

Thanx for flying Doom9.

[Jay Bee]

Jay Bee... thats like saying MS, Nero, Ateme, DivX should use theirs (as they post here as well icydnk).


Sounds logical to me. If they have their own forum that should be the place to go. If they prefer a more general purpose forum like this then they probably don't need their own forums. What's the point of forums that nobody goes to? People will always go to the forums where the devs are.


Notice my registration date at Doom9.. and yours with 23 posts?


So? I'm not allowed to have an opinion because of my post count?


If you think this is wrong... post to the "Forum / Site Suggestions & Help" not this thread.


You mean here or at CoreAVC forums? See how confusing it can be?

Anyway by all means do what works best for you. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I was just posting my opinion about something that differs from what I am used to from other non-video based projects. Personally I hate threads that are longer than a few pages, I like more specific topics. But again, I know I won't be changing doom9 I was just posting an opinion as a response to another poster who also seemed to be looking for a bit of tidy up.

[soresu]

I think the point that Betaboy is making is that this is a COMMUNITY forum where people come to discuss their issues with the software, and many people actually first learned of CoreAVC from visiting this forum. Since they already learned about it here and are registered here, why ask people to go somewhere else to inform Core of the problems with CoreAVC, when they can just stay here?
I for one hate forum hopping, its better for me to just have a single forum to gripe/discuss in :D

Sorry for pointless post Admin

[Ice =A=]

Well, maybe some doom9 administrator could be persuaded to open a small CoreAVC subforum here or something like that...

[Jay Bee]

I think the point that Betaboy is making is that this is a COMMUNITY forum where people come to discuss their issues with the software, and many people actually first learned of CoreAVC from visiting this forum. Since they already learned about it here and are registered here, why ask people to go somewhere else to inform Core of the problems with CoreAVC, when they can just stay here?
I for one hate forum hopping, its better for me to just have a single forum to gripe/discuss in :D

Sorry for pointless post Admin

Yeah, nothing wrong with that. But wouldn't you agree that that makes having a forum at CoreAVC a bit pointless? i.e. people go there expecting discuss issues with other users only to find there is nobody there. Obviously BetaBoy is also doing support at the CoreAVC forums but he can't make up for the low number of users there.

EDIT: just to make sure I wasn't talking rubbish I just had a quick look at both forums to estimate the number of posts made since the release of 1.1 and both seem to be quite close. So maybe I'm simply misjudging the issue. I was just getting the feeling that there were a lot of questions at CoreAVC forums that would have long been answered if they had been posted here. Maybe I was wrong. But enough of this topic for me now.

[ChronoCross]

Yeah, nothing wrong with that. But wouldn't you agree that that makes having a forum at CoreAVC a bit pointless? i.e. people go there expecting discuss issues with other users only to find there is nobody there. Obviously BetaBoy is also doing support at the CoreAVC forums but he can't make up for the low number of users there.


I think the coreavc forums even looking at it right now seems to be geared more towards corporate issues, purchase questions, feature requests. While the doom9 forum is geared more towards the AV professional in that we can provide them with the necessary feedback to improve the product. As a community I think we are better geared to produce clips and files that stump their codec/parser and can provide valid details. Opening another forum when this one is already equipped to handle a majority of things is a redundant step.

[BetaBoy]

CoreCodec Forums = mostly newbs... and it is nothing against them... it will improve with time but I need professional opinions and feedback... it has ALWAYS been this way at Doom9 since I had started MyDivX.com 6 years ago... D9 always has and always will feature this key demographic for the facts of his stance with DVD, DRM and his valued technical opinions what A/V technology works best. This is why I will always be here as well as many of the other major corporations/Developers with A/V products/projects.

Doom9, The 'Advanced' melting of Audio and Video ;-)

[foxyshadis]

Like you implied though, Haali's PID info is not correct because DGIndex lists this: -
Haali's is correct, only it reports pids in decimal numbers, whereas dgindex and mpc report pids in hexadecimal.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Haali's is correct, only it reports pids in decimal numbers, whereas dgindex and mpc report pids in hexadecimal.Well.... given that every application I know presents the PID numbers based on the hexadecimal value scheme, I wonder if it might be prudent for Haali to do the same ;)


Cheers

[BetaBoy]

Testers.... check your emails... I have sent you CoreAVC build 1.1.0.6. Here is the Changelog:


Version 1.1.0.6 (20060613):
- Add: Support for Lossless 4:2:0
- Fix: Locking problems
- Fix: Deinterlacing field order (fixes some rare issues)
- Fix: Various Haali Media Splitter fixes

[BetaBoy]

I'm a little dissapointed the lossless problem I reported wasn't fixed. but I was excited to see that some of the other annoyances were. Thanks.
It is now ;-)

Version 1.1.0.6 (20060613):
- Add: Support for Lossless 4:2:0

Even though I probally have it.. PM me your email address and i'll get you a build to test against.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Wow... that little lot looks cool :D

[blubberbirne]

great, waiting for the release. Maybe tomorrow?

[BetaBoy]

more like Thursday/Friday atm... but if testing goes well as we think it will then sooner.

[Sharktooth]

ah! lossless support... what i was waiting for :D
if you need a tester for that i have PLENTY of x264 lossless encodes (even HD stuff) :cool:

[Kairk]

I'm also having problems with CoreAVC 1.1 with dropped frames with BBC clips unless I run with no deblocking and double frame rate and use the overly mixer in MPC from a .TS file.

For grins, I demuxed the video using mencoder and audio using mplayer and fed the .264 file to MPC and it plays fine with full deblocking and software de-interlacing (a total of 4 dropped frames in 5 minutes), even using VMR9 Windowed. MPC picks up the AC3 file with the same name, so I get perfect video and audio this way. I can't seek though.

I tried to create an mp4 file from the .246 file with mp4box, but mp4box crashes on it either from the command line or using MeGui (it may be too large, the file is 8.03 GB). I was hoping to use mkvmerge on that mp4 file to mux with the ac3 file to see if the container made a difference, since I read elsewhere that someone had good success doing that.

This was all done on a box with an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ (no overclock) with 2 Gig ram, XP Pro SP2 (fully updated).


So it seems something dealing with the TS container is causing the problem.

Edit: I was able get the video into an mp4 using mp4creator and then merge that with the AC3 file into an MKV, and the MKV plays perfectly.

So my question is why is the performance so much worse using the TS container?

[works]

TS support was added ~week ago to the Haali Splitter, so I'm guessing that it's far from finished. I'll try that .ts -> .mp4 and see if I can get similar results.

[Oxygen]

I'm also having problems with CoreAVC 1.1 with dropped frames with BBC clips unless I run with no deblocking and double frame rate and use the overly mixer in MPC from a .TS file.

I also have some issues with a live ts stream, although it's hard to say if it's from a poor crc handeling method (either from the ts splitter or the DVB stream grabber [TSReader + MPC]) or from the splitter alone.

Sadly, i can't find any way to get a real crc error detection or to split/demux the file correctly: all the applications i tried crashed with a x264 stream. XMuxer seems to get around cutting a large ts, but no way to demux the ts correctly.

[videomixer9]

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/mkx.ts.7.exe

latest ts test version.

[pankov]

I'm getting
Access violation at address 022F2ACE in module 'ts.dll'. Write of address 00000000.

with at most of my .ts files with this version. on the rest of the .ts files I have my PC (ZoomPlayer to be precise) hangs.

All files play fine ... except the aspect ratio bug ... with the previous version of Haali's splitter. (1.6.197.18)

Does someone else has such a problem?

[Sharktooth]

Lossless decoding just works and it's pretty fast!.
With 720p sources encoded losslessly and CABAC enable, coreavc is the only decoder able to playback them on my box almost in realtime, even the scenes with high bitrate peaks (40000+) play back flawlessly.
on a side note, when producing new lossless encodings i noted my x264 build is completely broken!

[crypto]

HDTVPump 1.0.9 w/ H.264 support TS push source filter is now ready for testing.

http://dvbportal.dyn1.de/download.php?file=hdtvpump-1.0.9.zip

[BetaBoy]

HDTVPump 1.0.9 w/ H.264 support TS push source filter is now ready for testing.

http://dvbportal.dyn1.de/download.php?file=hdtvpump-1.0.9.zip

crypto.... not trying to bust on you but.. this has to do with CoreAVC, how?

[ChronoCross]

I don't see any issues thus far with lossless support. works perfectly. I'm trying to find something that will break it =P

[Sharktooth]

I don't see any issues thus far with lossless support. works perfectly. I'm trying to find something that will break it =P
i tried almost everything... different encoders and settings, resolutions, frame rates and scenes complexity.
it seems ok to me.

[works]

crypto.... not trying to bust on you but.. this has to do with CoreAVC, how?

With the acknowledgement that this is OT: It does offer _a lot_ smoother playback than Haali's offering, but can't recover from errors in the stream.

Back to the topic at hand, I hope that you'll get a new version out by friday so I'll have something new on my hands to play with over the weekend that isn't a pint :D

[crypto]

crypto.... not trying to bust on you but.. this has to do with CoreAVC, how?

BetaBoy:

I think it might be helpful for people experiencing trouble with CoreAVC and TS playback. HDTVPump uses a different mode than Haali's and is tested on a lot of streams for over a year now. It is always good to have a second choice. So I think it is perfectly on topic.

[Sharktooth]

bug: switching from software deinterlacing to software double frame rate during playback is not stable and sometimes crashes the decoder.
tested on a HD interlaced AVC stream.

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy:

I think it might be helpful for people experiencing trouble with CoreAVC and TS playback. HDTVPump uses a different mode than Haali's and is tested on a lot of streams for over a year now. It is always good to have a second choice. So I think it is perfectly on topic.
Fair enough....

[ChronoCross]

The only problem I have with .ts support is that it takes forever to seek.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Both CoreAVC and Haali's splitter seems much improved...

When playing my stock BBC clip using Media Player Classic's internal .TS splitter, it reports the files resolution as being 1440x1088... and includes some distortion/pixel roll at the bottom of the image: -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3900/mpc27no.jpg


But when the same clip is played using Haali's .TS splitter, it it reports the files resolution as being 1440x1080... and shows no such distortion: -

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6018/haali26yc.jpg


Playback speed even on my slow PC has improved too.... Fabulous work guys ;)

[Sharktooth]

MPC internal TS splitter is a bit b0rky. Just use Haali's.

[SeeMoreDigital]

MPC internal TS splitter is a bit b0rky. Just use Haali's.It's certainly a lot better than it used to be with MPEG-4 AVC within .TS sources.... I'll post this info in one of the MPC threads.... Hopefully Gabest will pick up on it ;)

EDIT: I'd be interested to know what Haali did to cure the (8) pixel roll at the bottom of the image for MPEG-4 AVC MBAFF/PAFF sources..... And wonder if the same fix can be implemented for MPEG-2 MBAFF/PAFF sources too!

[Dayvon]

Quick question for BetaBoy...

CoreAVC in Mac OS X? Ever?

[BetaBoy]

Yes, our CoreAVC decoder will be available on OS X and Linux... and before ppl ask... Our CoreAVC encoder will be as well.

[pankov]

I'm getting
Access violation at address 022F2ACE in module 'ts.dll'. Write of address 00000000.

with most of my .ts files with this version. on the rest of the .ts files I have my PC (ZoomPlayer to be precise) hangs.

All files play fine ... except the aspect ratio bug ... with the previous version of Haali's splitter. (1.6.197.18)

Does someone else has such a problem?
did someone noticed this?
it's the same with CoreAVC 1.1.0.7 test version ... but it's normal I guess as it uses the same Haali's media splitter (1.6.200.1)
:(
can somebody test this file
http://www.casyst.com/mitko/tmp/BTV_06-11_15-09-50_.ts

[Ice =A=]

@pankov: When I play that .ts file with mpc, Haali is not used and mpc plays it just fine.
To be honest, I don't quite understand it: This file is an MPEG2 file, so how can it be played with CoreAVC?

[ChronoCross]

@pankov: When I play that .ts file with mpc, Haali is not used and mpc plays it just fine.
To be honest, I don't quite understand it: This file is an MPEG2 file, so how can it be played with CoreAVC?
agreed. Aside from the aspect ratio error it plays fine but it's definitely mpeg-2.

[Nick [D]vB]

But when the same clip is played using Haali's .TS splitter, it it reports the files resolution as being 1440x1080... and shows no such distortion: -

Nice work guys, that bar has been bugging me for weeks! :D

I have also noticed the performance boost with the latest splitter,

I now get ~24fps on my 2.6GHz single core system with full de-blocking + software de-interlacing.

I still can't hit 50fps in frame double mode even on my 2.8GHz dual core, I never get above 40fps ???

The only other thing is the aspect ratio detection issue but most developers are adding workarounds for that anyway.

Nothing else to report, do we have an ETA yet?

Cheers,
Nick

PS- Pankov, what are you using to dump your ts streams?

[Sharktooth]

with the latest 1.1.0.7 i noticed the directshow deinterlacing is somewhat lower in quality (but maybe depends on the video card and drivers).
also seeking frame by frame on interlaced materials sometimes produces corrupted blocks.
ill take some screenshots ASAP.

[BetaBoy]

with the latest 1.1.0.7 i noticed the directshow deinterlacing is somewhat lower in quality (but maybe depends on the video card and drivers).
also seeking frame by frame on interlaced materials sometimes produces corrupted blocks.
ill take some screenshots ASAP.
yes please do.... and maybe get us a sample of the video. Thx.

[Sharktooth]

however as in 1.1.0.6, switching deinterlacing method during playback (or when pausing -> change deinterlacing -> resuming playback) sometimes crashes the decoder.

[popper]

Yes, our CoreAVC decoder will be available on OS X and Linux... and before ppl ask... Our CoreAVC encoder will be as well.

will it/they take advantage of AltiVec were available ?.

[pankov]

agreed. Aside from the aspect ratio error it plays fine but it's definitely mpeg-2.
Of course I know it's a MPEG2 but as this thread also discuss Haali's splitter I thought I should report it here as this is definitely a problem of Haali's latest splitter

[lordx]

ah! lossless support... what i was waiting for :D
if you need a tester for that i have PLENTY of x264 lossless encodes (even HD stuff) :cool:

Hi Sharktooth

Lossless encode of HDTV stuff ? What about the size ?? :eek: :eek:

[Sharktooth]

Huge. I use it for the test samples to evaluate the codecs efficiency (yuv samples are bigger than lossless samples).

@Betaboy: i noticed the artifacts appear on every interlaced clip (.ts) in the conditions previously described (tested on MPC 6.4.9.0). They propagate thru the subsequent frames untile the next I frame. They appear immediately, but only after the seeking of some frames.

Screenshot:
http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/temp/corrupt1.jpg

[lordx]

Oh France2 HD :D
From my country ;)

[DeepBeepMeep]

HDTVPump 1.0.9 w/ H.264 support TS push source filter is now ready for testing.

http://dvbportal.dyn1.de/download.php?file=hdtvpump-1.0.9.zip

I have purchased CoreAVC Pro and I am very interested in any TS filter I could use with it. I have tried HDTVPump and this what I have observed so far:

- Much faster than Haali filter, I get 70% CPU usage with Haali and only 45 % CPU for the same file
- Problem with the aspect Ratio, it seems it is incorrectly forwarded to CoreAVC
- Lack support for TS stream that contains AAC. I have quite a few streams that contains He-AAC (TS StreamId x11) and they can't be demuxed. In fact Haali filter has the same problem and it would be nice to add this support
- Not very friendly with errors in the stream. When ever an error is found in the stream it seams all the rest of the GOP is skipped. Since errors are quite common on DVB a smoother a way of handle these would be nice.

Anyway keep on the good work!

[DeepBeepMeep]

Regarding CoreAVC, I have posted some suggestions on other forum. I have summarized them here to get feedbacks of more knowledgable people.

- Haali filter is nice but it has the following inconvenience
* Slow with TS streams, in fact a TS file may stutter like hell with Haali filter and can play almost smoothly once remuxed into a mkv file with the very same Haali filter !
* lack of support of He-AAC (streamId x11), same problem with HDTVPump
* It doesn't like unproperly aligned TS packet at the beginning of a file, that is if the first byte is not an x47 (signature of a TS stream) the file type won't be recognized and we will get the not very meaningful error message "first Element of file is not EBML". Cyberlink splitter is not bothered with improperly aligned TS packets.

- Greater compatibility of CoreAVC with other splitter filters. At the moment it seems impossible to connect in a Directshow Graph CoreAVC to either the Cyberlink demuxer or the Moonlight Elecard demuxer which both are capable of outputing H.264.

If you could add all these improvements, you will surely make lots of people happy. I hope anyway it isn't too late for the next release.

[Sharktooth]

Uhm, maybe the corrupted frames are due to some bug in the TS parser that creates data corruption in the stream passed to the decoder coz they only appear when seeking frame by frame a .ts file...

[acidsex]

I never got the update that was sent out last week. For some reason it did not show up in my mailbox. Betaboy, can you check into this for me?

[Shakey_Jake33]

I think it's just for beta testers only (I assume, since I never got one :P ).

[acidsex]

P A Lap: you should be ashamed of yourself for doing exactly what you shouldnt be doing. BetaBoy: msg me as I have found one of your pirates with version 1.1.0.5 posting on the net.

[BetaBoy]

P A Lap: you should be ashamed of yourself for doing exactly what you shouldnt be doing. BetaBoy: msg me as I have found one of your pirates with version 1.1.0.5 posting on the net.

AS... I checked and your email was sent on the update. But i'll get you another email out.

[blubberbirne]

edit: stupid post :)

Let me know when a new version is released: Version 1.1.0.7 ?!

[acidsex]

Much thanks BetaBoy. Check PM on the dirtbag who is warezing Core's products.

[Sirber]

$20 for Pro is good price, just bought it! :D

[BetaBoy]

$20 for Pro is good price, just bought it! :D
/me hugs Sirber

[Sirber]

11-13% with CoreAVC Pro
16-24% with ffdshow (SSE)

with WMR9 + Bicubic (PS 2.0), naruto content (640x480, 24FPS)

[BetaBoy]

Sorry for any slowup the past few days... it seems between the few of us here we all got either the flu or crashed motos's and bikes (long stories).

So atm the plan is to get the next version (likely 1.1.0.9) out with the new v1.0 of the 'core account' system later this week. It is still up in the air if we will roll-out online auth and activation for CoreAVC at that time. But what will happen however is that we will give our registered users the 'power' to enable them to sign up for update notifications via email or cell phone. Download the latest updates and change any information related to their account.

But to the point the new version has alot of changes on Haali's side of things with the splitter. As far as what I have left on my 'bugs list' I see only 2 left to fix and one that was reported by bobololo today.

[acidsex]

Does Haali's split Mainconcepts AVC in their .mpg container?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Does Haali's split Mainconcepts AVC in their .mpg container?Not as far as I can see.... Only the audio stream plays!


Cheers

[Sirber]

a "source information" tab could be cool, stuff ffdshow is showing like rez, fps and bitrate :)

[CruNcher]

bitrate is hallis splitter showing
fps can be activated in MPC when not useing Overlay via the statistics :), rez over the properties tab

but yeah frame type, frame size, quantization, AR, output Resolution are still missing everything in 1 place as a OSD would be nice like in the OSD that ffdshow is useing :D

[Cinner]

Has anybody tried installing CoreAVC on the new Windows Vista (beta 2, available for free at the Microsoft website) OS? I have my doubts about being able to install the codec on Vista.

[hafeez]

Has anybody tried installing CoreAVC on the new Windows Vista (beta 2, available for free at the Microsoft website) OS? I have my doubts about being able to install the codec on Vista.

Just installed it a few day's ago. However due to the beta NVIDIA drivers it's not as fast as in Windows XP (x64)

[blubberbirne]

Has anybody tried installing CoreAVC on the new Windows Vista (beta 2, available for free at the Microsoft website) OS? I have my doubts about being able to install the codec on Vista.

Installed it yesterday on my Notebook ^^

Celeron Mobile 1.5GHz 1Gig RAM with Vista Beta 2. All Quicktime HDTV Trailer (remuxed with yamb) i've testet, played fine :devil:

[Sharktooth]

@Betaboy: did you find what was causing the artifacts while seeking frame-by-frame?

[LeMoi]

Does "View/Pan&Scan/Scale to 16:9 TV" menu in MPC actually extand picture to 16/9 or is it still not working ?

[acidsex]

AS... I checked and your email was sent on the update. But i'll get you another email out.

Not trying to be an asshole but I am still waiting on the latest email which I still havent got. ;)

[smok3]

questions..
a. how would i do standalone DVD bundled with mpc + all the needed (coreavc+halli) libs, dlls? (so it can be played on any computer without any installation?)
b. should the mpc/coreavc and mplayer outputs be bitidentical?

[bob0r]

Not trying to be an asshole but I am still waiting on the latest email which I still havent got. ;)

Too late, nothing you can do about it now! :P


http://x264.nl/jab.gif

[BetaBoy]

Not trying to be an asshole but I am still waiting on the latest email which I still havent got. ;)
mm... I sent it again! ;-( let me try another way when I get home in a lil bit.

[Dark Eiri]

CoreAVC seems A LOT better than ffdshow.
I encoded a lot of HD content with MeGUI. ffdshow shows things like hair VERY blurred, and everything insanely smoothed... That caused me to reencode the files a lot of times, with no solution... then I tried CoreAVC.
It's real better. Now I see everything perfectly sharp :D

[foxyshadis]

Dark Eiri, turn PP off in ffdshow. If that fixes the issue, turn it back on and set "H264 deblocking" in PP to "When decoding H.264 video". In some builds it's properly enabled by default, in others it's incorrect. As an option it should not exist.

Of course, feel free to remain happy with CoreAVC, it's quite better for HD than ffd. =p

[Dark Eiri]

Dark Eiri, turn PP off in ffdshow. If that fixes the issue, turn it back on and set "H264 deblocking" in PP to "When decoding H.264 video". In some builds it's properly enabled by default, in others it's incorrect. As an option it should not exist.

Of course, feel free to remain happy with CoreAVC, it's quite better for HD than ffd. =p

Thank you a lot! It worked ^^
But CoreAVC is a lot faster too xD

[JohnnyFu]

I bought coreavc two or three months ago, and the codec did a good job. In the meantime i upgraded my hardware.

After a big fraud with my old 6600GT AGP, (i had alot trouble with h.264 h/a on my 6600GT, i even wrote to theinquirer and emailed with nvidias tech marketing manager europe), the h/a finally functioned on the new 7600GT card :)

and i made some tests

Testsystem:
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
3500+ Venice E6 @ 2.7Ghz
2x 512MB XMS 3200 @ 245Mhz - 2.5-3-3-7-1T
Gigabyte 7600GT Silent Pipe II
WD Raptor 36GB

Software:
Windows XP SP2
Media Player Classic v6.4.9.0
PowerDVD v7.0.1725 (CL264dec.ax build v1.7.0.1626 with PureVideo support)
CoreAVC Pro v1.1

testmovie The_Greatest_Game_Ever_Played_1920_x_1080_AVC from nerodigital.com
cpu usage recorded with Perfmon

And here are the results

http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/h.264_decoder_test.jpg

Avarage CPU usage diagram (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/h.264_decoder_test2.jpg)

PDVD7: 30%
MPC + PDVD7 dec.ax: 40%
MPC + CoreAVC 1.1 Pro + Haali: 60%

i have to say that for unknown reasons powerdvd really screwed up the aac-audio.. partly it sounds more than metallic, there is definitly something wrong, maybe thats the reason why the 7.0.175 build was removed from cyberlink.com

thx to alphamoose from computerbase board for the inspiration
and by the way alphamoose made tests too, as you can see here http://www.alphamoose.de/h264.pdf

A the moment i can not recommend to buy CoreAVC, PureVideo is much better. Also the CoreAVC support is really bad.. answers on the support forum are really rare... most of the time there is no answer... you are alone and your money away.

[IgorC]

Does last Powerdvd 7.0.1725 support H.264 High Profile?

[Episodio1]

JohnnyFu, so do i have to buy powerdvd ($60) + a new graphics card 7600 ($190) to reduce 30% cpu usage?

[IgorC]

PowerDVD decodes High Profile with coloration and other visual issues. I don't have videocard with acel. H.264 support to compare but PowerDVD without hard. aceleration is aprox 35% slower than Nero decoder. And CoreAVC is faster than Nero6 decoder.

so when Coreavc will support hard. aceleration it should be faster than PowerDVD+gpu.

[shon3i]

Does last Powerdvd 7.0.1725 support H.264 High Profile?
I have PDVD 7 (i don't know which build) and his can't decode HP.

[crypto]

BBC HD World Cup 2006 coverage is in high profile and it plays perfectly with both PDVD7 Codecs 1.6.0.1528 and 1.7.0.1626.

The test however is unfair. You can't compare accelerated PDVD7 with unaccelerated CoreAVC.

[Suchy]

He can. Even more: He should.
Until CoreAVC havn't GPU acceleration it will be his weak point.

Comparision should be between the best solutions in each decoder, becasue it's what is interresing us.

[CruNcher]

hmm i have major problems with High Profile and PowerDVDs cl264 1.7.0.1705_DXVA decoder :P look here my Balanced HD High Profile Encode looks like this with it , also The Greates Game Ever Played Trailer can't reach realtime (System Default Renderer in MPC) with it with CoreAVC no prob. And all that non overclocked with 1.8 GHz on AMD 64 Venice 3000+
Geforce 7600 GS + 91.31 WHQL forceware

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/h264/decoder/cl264_dec_problem.png

ok Main Profile looks good indeed with the PowerDVD Decoder and DXVA on tested with timecodec and VMR9 output

Serenity 1080p Quicktime Trailer
CoreAVC
User: 66s, kernel: 2s, total: 69s, real: 76s, fps: 49.1, dfps: 44.3
PowerDVD DXVA
User: 37s, kernel: 7s, total: 45s, real: 54s, fps: 74.6, dfps: 62.9

Syriana 1080p Quicktime Trailer
CoreAVC
User: 77s, kernel: 4s, total: 81s, real: 88s, fps: 41.7, dfps: 38.6
PowerDVD DXVA
User: 51s, kernel: 9s, total: 61s, real: 69s, fps: 55.6, dfps: 49.2

The Greatest Game Ever Played (Nero Trailer)
CoreAVC
User: 89s, kernel: 3s, total: 93s, real: 102s, fps: 39.4, dfps: 35.9
PowerDVD DXVA
User: 66s, kernel: 17s, total: 83s, real: 94s, fps: 44.1, dfps: 38.8

But something looks strange here hmmm it seems PowerDVDs Decoder internaly downsamples the input :P im not quite sure but the Window after loading the clip (MPC VMR9 renderless) is smaller then normaly only with Zoom 100 it's scaled on the complete monitor with other Decoders that is not the case, very strange. This behaviour is only visible when DXVA is active on VMR9 Renderless and is not visible either with DXVA enabled/disabled when useing the VMR9 windowed renderer.

Edit: After comparing the output quality PowerDVDs Decoder is not cheating soft and dxva have the same quality as coreavcs soft mode only the picture is a little more brighter with PowerDVD.

[Pomyk]

Any news on standard edition update?

[acidsex]

Any news on standard edition update?

I guess not since I cant even get the latest version of the pro emailed to me. At first I thought it was comical now its completely freakin ridiculous.

[ChronoCross]

I guess not since I cant even get the latest version of the pro emailed to me. At first I thought it was comical now its completely freakin ridiculous.

Dude. take your complaints somewhere else. pm would be more appropriate than publically bashing the company. Your issue is most likely your own fault cause this is not the first time you have had problems.

[acidsex]

Dude. take your complaints somewhere else. pm would be more appropriate than publically bashing the company. Your issue is most likely your own fault cause this is not the first time you have had problems.

Dont recall yanking your chain. The issue is being dealt with, even with your smart ass remark. Furthermore, I seriously doubt it is an issue on my end because I have received previous updates. Perhaps you should heed your own advice about PMs because you are silly if you think you are going to call someone out and have them not respond.

I didnt bash Core or BetaBoy. I just said it was freakin riodiculous that it has taken me so long to get an updated copy. Not once did I say Core is shitty or for anyone to not buy it. If you cant see the frustration for a product that I have paid for and dont have the latest version, then perhaps you should read and ignore instead of throwing your two cents in when it wasnt asked for.

[bond]

if you dont get what you have paid for, then you obviously should contact the one having your money instead of getting angry in this forum, so plz everybody cool down

[acidsex]

I am not angry I made a statement. Im not worked up and BetaBoy is checking into it. So its all good.

[BetaBoy]

I am not angry I made a statement. Im not worked up and BetaBoy is checking into it. So its all good.
AS.. thx.... I hi-jacked our mail server and sent it to you manually ;-) Check for it now.

[acidsex]

whooo hoo. It showed up. Wierd why it didnt before but its all butta now. Thanx BetaBoy. You are da man. :)

[memmerson]

BetaBoy, any chance you can give us a new ETA for the next release?

Thanks

[BetaBoy]

We had planned it for this past weekend.... but bobololo found a DS bug related to resizing we had to fix. As well as the fact we want to release this with the Core Account system and the authentication too.

So atm... no ETA as we are also working on some requested COM related features and the decoder SDK.

[Morte66]

BetaBoy,

Any news on the issue of GPU acceleration for CoreAVC Pro? I have a vague (and possibly incorrect) impression that it was "close", then it had to go on a back burner because of some driver SNAFUs from the video manufacturers, and then there was uncertainty over what the GPU APIs would be. I wonder if you could perhaps give us the lie of the land?

I'm pretty happy with Pro v1.1, since everything I use it for works and I can do things that were impossible without it (like playing my own 1080p/24 AVC high profile unrestricted encodes). But I got a taste of that double framerate deinterlacer with the credits on the BBC h264 samples and I liked what I saw, only my X2 64 3800+ bottomed out above about 6mbps. So I'm kind of interested in any performance gains you might have up your sleeves... :)

[fields_g]

I'm sure not everyone wants to hear about my troubles, but it seems to be the way things get fixed....

I was one of the enthusiastic people who purchased coreAVC the first day it was offered. I patiently waited about 3 days before I got my download link. I understood this slowdown and had no problems waiting.

However, since then, I havn't received any update notifications. I PM'ed betaboy and emailed their support over a week ago and havn't had any kind of response.

I love the product. It's unique and is a quality product. I wish there was more of this innovation around. But once software needs to be purchased, attention needs to be spent on customer support.

Again... none of you would see this if I the other channels of communication would have worked. Sorry for the interruption.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I neglected to take a screen grap of CoreAVC's interlaced "drop-down" options before my test sample decoder expired :(

Can anybody oblige please?


Cheers

[BetaBoy]

I neglected to take a screen grap of CoreAVC's interlaced "drop-down" options before my test sample decoder expired :(

Can anybody oblige please?


Cheers

I am hoping to have a new version for the beta testers later this week. I'll get a cap for you... in the mean time

[Sharktooth]

have you found the issue with the corrupted frames i posted?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I am hoping to have a new version for the beta testers later this week. I'll get a cap for you... in the mean timeMany thanks mate :)

[Inheritthewind]

@ field_g & Betaboy

Ditto. I bought CoreAVC the first day, there were some problems sending out the e-mail, so I got sent a version called 'test', though it was actually the final release. Haven't had any e-mails since then, for update links or otherwise, and haven't had a response to the e-mail I sent to support a few weeks ago.
I guess with the chaos of getting out all the e-mails manually in the first few days, our addresses maybe got lost off the updates mailing list.

Betaboy, as field_g said - sorry to go OT, but could we get back on the list. I know this isn't the place, but there's at least a couple of us waiting for updates, with this thread our only source of info.

Terrific app, BTW! Can't wait for the rest of the suite.

[jimbo276]

Hi all,

At the moment I am trying to use mpc + coreavc to decode a certain hd ts stream. The problem seems to me that MPC will only use an internal splitter to decode a udf/udp source. Does anyone know how to make it use Haali.

When I do it off hard disk it uses mpc coreavc haali and works beautifully the problem is witht eh ts stream...

Regards
James

[SeeMoreDigital]

In Media Player Classic, click on View -> Options -> Internal Filters. Then uncheck the "MP4/MOV" option under "Source Filters.


Cheers

[Jay Bee]

I neglected to take a screen grap of CoreAVC's interlaced "drop-down" options before my test sample decoder expired :(

Can anybody oblige please?


Cheers

Is this what you're looking for?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/474/image19qb.png

[SeeMoreDigital]

That's it.... many thanks:)

[jimbo276]

It is still using the native mpc media splitter. I ahve switched them all off and the only one that will work on the udp stream is the internal splitter. Unfortunately I probably need an update of Media Player Classic..

Thanks for the quick response

[blubberbirne]

today i tested CoreAVC with Live DVB Streams. I Used Luxe TV HD on Hotbird. Tested with DVB Viewer 3.5. It works, but CoreAVC used only one of the 2 Cores at my AMD X2 ?!?!

I also Record a little Sample. I will upload it later and send you a PM, because, i can't play this file in mplayer.

EDIT: tested it also with DVBDream 1.1. Same Problem, CoreAVC used only one core :(

EDIT2: Disable Option in DVB Dream to Used only One CPU *g* Now it works fine in dvbdream

[BetaBoy]

today i tested CoreAVC with Live DVB Streams. I Used Luxe TV HD on Hotbird. Tested with DVB Viewer 3.5. It works, but CoreAVC used only one of the 2 Cores at my AMD X2 ?!?!

I also Record a little Sample. I will upload it later and send you a PM, because, i can't play this file in mplayer.

EDIT: tested it also with DVBDream 1.1. Same Problem, CoreAVC used only one core :(

EDIT2: Disable Option in DVB Dream to Used only One CPU *g* Now it works fine in dvbdream

Sounds like something on your local config... this is the first report of 'anything' wrong with SMP.

I got the file.... we'll look at it, thx.

[blubberbirne]

Sounds like something on your local config... this is the first report of 'anything' wrong with SMP.

I got the file.... we'll look at it, thx.

And of course it works with DVBViewer ;)

[BetaBoy]

Is this what you're looking for?

:thanks: you beat me too it

[ern]

Any news on the latest version being released?
the previous advised dates have slipped by a couple of weeks


cheers

ern

[Nick [D]vB]

Is the next release a final version of 1.1.0.7 or are we up to 1.1.0.8 yet???

...Tested with DVB Viewer 3.5. It works, but CoreAVC used only one of the 2 Cores at my AMD X2 ?!?!
Did you get it working? Remember to untick "Use Only First CPU" under the "Extended" menu.

[bob0r]

@BetaBoy

When will CoreAVC 96.78.1 be out?
Man i am so excited, i can't wait till i am one houndred years old!

For all other coreavc version related questions: http://x264.nl/jab.gif

[BetaBoy]

vB']Is the next release a final version of 1.1.0.7 or are we up to 1.1.0.8 yet???


Did you get it working? Remember to untick "Use Only First CPU" under the "Extended" menu.

We are in the 'teens' now ;-) . . . Anyway we are working on it, no date but we are working hard on the next release.

[Nick [D]vB]

What is the latest available version [public release] ?

The CoreCodec site always seems to be down when I go to check

and I haven't been emailed any updates for a while now...

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

@ BetaBoy

When you will allow trial downloads from your site? I can't wait to test trial version of CoreAVC 1.1.09!!!

[ChronoCross]

@ BetaBoy

When you will allow trial downloads from your site? I can't wait to test trial version of CoreAVC 1.1.09!!!


hopefully never. since people keep bothering them. Plus if you read carefully their internal builds are already in the teens.....
Plus their site is down quite often lately =P. Maybe their on a microsoft box hahah.

In all seriousness they should complete the core account system before they offer trials. Considering trials are like a pirates wet dream.

[bob0r]

For a free Coreavc-x264 version i can set up a proper host :scared:

[BetaBoy]

Plus their site is down quite often lately =P. Maybe their on a microsoft box hahah.

Yeah its an issue with the current version of GForge and the fact we have more then tripled our traffic in the past 3 months. So we are bringing up all the new sites and servers within the next few weeks/months accordingly. First is our corporate website next week @ www.corecodec.net

[ChronoCross]

Yeah its an issue with the current version of GForge and the fact we have more then tripled our traffic in the past 3 months. So we are bringing up all the new sites and servers within the next few weeks/months accordingly. First is our corporate website next week @ www.corecodec.net


oooh fun. I love it when people roll out new sites. Always interesting to tinker around.

[Dark Eiri]

Hey BetaBoy!
Do you have any news about GPU support?
Every GPU will be compatible, or only the "ready for H.264 acceleration" (like ATi x1X00 or GeForce 6 series)?
I think this will HIGHLY influence the new graphics card that I will buy.
Thanks!

[BetaBoy]

Hey BetaBoy!
Do you have any news about GPU support?
Every GPU will be compatible, or only the "ready for H.264 acceleration" (like ATi x1X00 or GeForce 6 series)?
I think this will HIGHLY influence the new graphics card that I will buy.
Thanks!
I cannot comment on GPU support atm, sorry.

[DIggedy]

Just noticed this in the xbmc changelog::

- 03-07-2006 added: some more emulation needed for the coreavc codec (still not entirely there)

I'm curious to see if using coreAVC eventually will allow xbmc to play 720p or HRHDTV AVC resolutions

[cc979]

@BetaBoy

looking at screen-shots of coreavc is there going to be any brightness/gamma controls, cheers

[videomixer9]

Honestly I hate gamma and brightness or whatever color controls in codec, they have nothing to do there, if you want to adjust them use overlay color controls or your players color control settings and not settings for each codec. Issues with the coloring should be fixed on the output layer and not on the decoding layer.

[cc979]

Honestly I hate gamma and brightness or whatever color controls in codec, they have nothing to do there, if you want to adjust them use overlay color controls or your players color control settings and not settings for each codec. Issues with the coloring should be fixed on the output layer and not on the decoding layer.

that would be ok, if mpc did it

[videomixer9]

Yeah, oddly MPC misses this.

[WorBry]

What a dilemma - cant try out CoreAVC because there is no trial and cant purchase it because the online payment form doesnt list the middle eastern country I am working in right now, so I cant pay by credit card and there are no other payment options - PayPal has the same restrictions. Cant see that you're going to get any customers in the middle east this way.

[nfm]

I tested latest CoreAVC and I'm impressed so far with it. It outputs a bit better image than libavcodec that is used in ffdshow.

[Manao]

Strange. Though everybody agrees on saying that CoreAVC is definitely faster, and by far, than libavcodec, the visual quality is the same. If it's not, then you misconfigured FFDShow.

[nfm]

I can show you screenshots, but print page does not work in WMP10. What can I use to take screenies?

[Manao]

There have been numerous threads & posts on why and how overlay interactions between ffdshow & you graphic cards could lead to some visual discrepancies. Here is a post that shows the issue :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=759071#post759071

Do you have the same problem ?

[nfm]

Strange. Though everybody agrees on saying that CoreAVC is definitely faster, and by far, than libavcodec, the visual quality is the same. If it's not, then you misconfigured FFDShow.

I do not have any problems with ffdshow and overlay, however you were right, quality is identical. I disabled PostProcessing in ffdshow and video quality look exactly the same when decoding h.264 video in ffdshow and CoreAVC. CoreAVC loads processor an avg. 11%-14% while ffdshow 18%-21%. (Win XP Pro x64, oced AMD X2 3800 at 3.10Ghz + DFI LanParty nf4 SLI-DR + 1GB RAM with very tight timings 2-2-2-0 old BH-5 chips, oh and NV6600GT card with 91.31 driver)

[blubberbirne]

*hm* still waiting for a version which is ready to watch my watch my h.264 dvb streams :(

[BlackSharkfr]

Hello, i bought coreavc (pro) yesterday.
I just wanted to say you're making something great. I have a rather old processor for avc (AMD athlon XP 2000+) and i can decode 720p streams it's really amazing.
But i have a very very very high cpu usage (80-100%). And for some videos i have to turn deblocking off (it doesn't really affects the image since it's for 3Mbps+ streams and blocking is alost never visible) probably unrestricted high profile, i don't know.

I would like to know if there were any ways to use a little less cpu (like with a particular output method or using a different playback software).
I am currently using mediaplayerclassic 6490 haali's matroska splitter (the latest available from x264.nl), coreavc 1.1.0.5 (deblocking on for all videos except the one i was talking about).

My graphic card is a geforce 6600GT (AGP on AGP4x slot), i know betaboy is busy and can't really talk about any gpu acceleration right now, but when i tested the gpu acceleration at the very beginning, it didn't seemed to work both with wmv and avc (nero demo).
Has the issue been solved ? Do i have any hope of using core avc gpu acceleration when it's available ?

Thanks

Ah a last thing, when i bought my license, the link after i had paid wasn't working. But the one from the email worked, the links were different.

[Sirber]

the only thing I can think of is use "Overlay Mixer" in MPC. It's the fastest you can get.

[foxyshadis]

I still think it would be a nice idea to have a rice coding step to replace CABAC (CARC?), since it has nearly the efficiency of CABAC with nearly the speed of CAVLC. Oh well, I guess non-standard extensions aren't going to get any traction unless we can get them in front of JVC. ^^;

[fields_g]

I'm sure not everyone wants to hear about my troubles, but it seems to be the way things get fixed....

I was one of the enthusiastic people who purchased coreAVC the first day it was offered. I patiently waited about 3 days before I got my download link. I understood this slowdown and had no problems waiting.

However, since then, I havn't received any update notifications. I PM'ed betaboy and emailed their support over a week ago and havn't had any kind of response.

I love the product. It's unique and is a quality product. I wish there was more of this innovation around. But once software needs to be purchased, attention needs to be spent on customer support.

Again... none of you would see this if I the other channels of communication would have worked. Sorry for the interruption.

This seems less and less like a freak accidental overlooking and more so like negligence.

My original PM to Betaboy was on June 20th (22 days ago).
An email was also sent to support@corecodec.com on June 26th (16 days ago). I wrote a complain in this forum on the June 28th (14 days ago). I have heard nothing from the company. The only thing I've heard are complaints from others saying the same thing is happening to them.

Not only has betaboy visited this forum multiple times, he has posted 6 replies to others.

Come on.... fix this.

[BetaBoy]

Negligence in the fact we have had to migrated to a new mail server to handle what we are now doing. I have checked and your notifications were sent twice. However many mail servers were flagging our emails as spam not from the content but from IP class we were on. So we have opted to 'grow' with our new dedicated mail services to eliminate problems like this.

fields_g... I will send you another notification, sorry for any delay.

[fields_g]

Negligence in the fact we have had to migrated to a new mail server to handle what we are now doing. I have checked and your notifications were sent twice. However many mail servers were flagging our emails as spam not from the content but from IP class we were on. So we have opted to 'grow' with our new dedicated mail services to eliminate problems like this.

fields_g... I will send you another notification, sorry for any delay.

I went into my University of Minnesota central email settings and found this:

2006/07/12 2:16pm <apache@coreforge.org> (NO NAME)
[64.192.171.160] DNS Make an exception
The explanation of a DNS block is:

DNS - Reverse DNS

Reverse DNS allows us to associate a host name with an IP address. A large portion of our unwanted e-mail originates, or is relayed through, systems that are not properly defined in DNS. This classification will be applied to areas of the Internet where we can pre-empt future abuse by requiring the remote site to be properly defined in DNS prior to sending us e-mail.

Since I got the original CoreAVC link, I didn't think of this being a problem. It seems that there is no DNS entries for your email server and if it were registered, it would no longer be blocked. It has been added to my personal exception list. Unfortunately, I am not able to recover the blocked message. I informed support@corecodec.com. Please be willing to make sure that gets resent yet again.

Thanks for your helpful actions. Just wish I could have seen them happening before!

[comdw]

Hi there, purchased CoreAVC Pro a couple of days ago and I'm very pleased with the performance.

However I use MCE for playing back my video files, and I've found that CoreAVC locks up MCE when I press the stop button during playback. I get a similar result with Windows Media Player (10) - it stops responding after I stop the playback or try and "remove from list" the file I'm playing.

I don't have this issue when playing from MPC or graphedit, but I really like to use MCE for playback. I checked on a friends PC and get the same result with WMP, and someone has now also found the same problem with MCE. The issue disappears if I switch to ffdshow/libavcodec H.264 decoder.

I'm surprised this has hasn't been reported by anyone else, is it a known bug? (Unfortunately it's not possible to search for "MCE" or "WMP" in this thread due to forum search engine limitations!).

I posted a thread over at corecodec forums too here (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&expv=0&topic=3012.0)

Let me know if there's any further details I can collect to track down the problem.

Thanks in advance

[itsfja]

I'm surprised this has hasn't been reported by anyone else, is it a known bug?

I have the same issue, also Skip/Replay can take several seconds to be actioned and can lock for several seconds therafter.

Regards,
Francis.

[nfm]

I got the same problem also.

[Revgen]

Use WMP 6.4. Or even Media Player Classic instead. If you don't have any issues, then it's probably an issue with WMP10.

[nfm]

It's not a WMP10 issue, it doesn't lock up in ffdshow.

[comdw]

Also, it may not be everyone's favourite, but alot of people use MCE for playing back their files. The problem is arguably worse in MCE than WMP as the only way to kill it is to bring up the task manager which is not usually possible if you are using a remote control!

Anyway hope there will be a fix for this soon...

[Randi]

Actually I got the same result in ZoomPlayer, so it should be the decoders fault :-)

[Dark Eiri]

BSPlayer is fine.
Try it =P

[Randi]

with VMR9?

[Dark Eiri]

VMR9 Renderless, if your video-card supports it.
VMR7 Renderless is fine, too.

And also remember, the 2.0 free BSplayer come with WhenUsave, that, actually is VERY ANNOYING. Try to get the 1.32 free version.

[JohnnyFu]

I got a h.264 .ts movie wich gives me green pixel trash.

Klick Me (http://under.urban-souls.net/pics/coreavc_1.JPG)

I had this one time before with the BBC Planet Earth movie, then a new windows intall fixed it.
On my current windows install the problem is present again.

What causes this ?
I do not have this green pixel trash using PowerDVD7 !

I would like to give you more information about the video source (bourne supremacy) but all what i know it is 1920x1080, is there a tool like GSpot to read h.264 .ts informations ?

My rig:
AMD 64@ 2700Mhz - 245Mhz-RAM / 7600GT Forceware 91.33
WinXP SP2 -* CoreAVC 1.1 Pro

[wiak]

site down?
or atleast slow :scared:

[BetaBoy]

FYI all.... We have begun testing a new version that has several fixes as well as a new Haali splitter.... dont expect a release soon though as we are HEAVY in CorePlayer development atm. But I will keep everyone up to date on whats going on.

Current CoreAVC users will get an email later this coming week to login to our Core Account Services. Once logged in... they will be able to see the products thay have purchased and all its related information as well as if there are any updates available for them to download.

This will make the update process 'self-serve' for everyone.

[W3ird_N3rd]

Yes, our CoreAVC decoder will be available on OS X and Linux... and before ppl ask... Our CoreAVC encoder will be as well.
This was 16th June, is there any status update about this one and a half month later?

[BetaBoy]

No.... when it is close to being ready I will post info on it... till then we ARE working as fast as we can.

[W3ird_N3rd]

Okay, I'll be waiting.. Don't hurry it too much (we don't want it getting unstable) :).

[Gnerma]

BetaBoy will we see GPU acceleration in 2006 and/or v1.x?

[stefang]

Here are the 3 CoreAVC 'Decoder' Editions...

[[ Standard Edition ]]
- Baseline, Main, High profile support
- No, Interlaced
- No, SMP
- No, GPU


And how should that work? Support for interlaced is mandatory in Main and High Profile. Therefore that decoder does NOT support Main and High Profile.

Regards
Stefan Gehrer

[ChronoCross]

And how should that work? Support for interlaced is mandatory in Main and High Profile. Therefore that decoder does NOT support Main and High Profile.

Regards
Stefan Gehrer

If you go by that theory then x264 doesn't support high profile encoding.

Interlaced is simply one subset of High profile options. There are many other more important ones that the standard edition does support. Since most people don't encode using interlaced mode in High profile (as it's not even available yet in most encoders) High profile is limited to everything except interlaced decoding.

[Manao]

ChronoCross : actually, no, an encoder doesn't have to implement fully a profile to say it produces a stream from that profile. A decoder, however, must. Else profiles are useless.

[ChronoCross]

as long as they say "no interlaced" then that simply means a small limitation. Doesn't mean it doesn't cover High Profile. It's simply High profile with a limitation. You can still watch streams that are high profile without interlaced. Not like they are hiding it

[stefang]

It's simply High profile with a limitation.

High profile with limitations is not High profile anymore. You can call it whatever you want, like ChronoCross profile, but the name High Profile is reserved for something that supports the full set. I can understand if facts are bent for marketing purpose, in a range which is difficult to prove as wrong, but statements which are so clearly false should be avoided.
How to test this statement is wrong? Take a clip adhering to Main or High Profile which happens to be interlaced. The decoder does not play it, therefore the decoder does not support that profile.

Regards
Stefan Gehrer

[Manao]

I wouldn't go that far. There's no marketing purposes, and no intent to fool people behind CoreAVC versions description. It's indeed the easiest way to describe what the version does. And it's precise for main & high profile.

I was bitching with ChronoCross mostly for arguing's sake, to outline the distinction between encoders and decoders.

[GodofaGap]

Of course saying the standard version of CoreAVC supports


I, P and B slices
Multiple reference frames
In-Loop Deblocking Filter
CAVLC and CABAC
8x8dct
CQM's

is a lot better than saying main/high profile minus interlaced.

[stefang]

@Manao
No marketing purpose? I read here http://coreavc.corecodec.org/download.html that this decoder costs $9.95. What else would be the purpose of bending the truth about features?

@GodofaGap
Nowhere did I read Main/High Profile minus interlaced. Both the post and the website say the profiles are supported AND interlaced is not supported, which is contradictory. Now imagine John Doe buying a nice new camera that records in 1080i AVC. The manual says he needs a Main Profile decoder in order to watch his recordings on the PC. Google leads him to CoreAVC which claims to support Main Profile. Having never heard of the word interlaced before, he happily spends the ten bucks on the decoder, only to find out it does not work for him. Who's to blame here?

[ChronoCross]

Something can be high profile without being interlaced.

As for your reference to the decoder and the whole google thing. Perhaps he should read the capabilities before making a purchase. The CoreAVC page clearly states that the standard version supports all of main profile without interlacing.

At least that's what adults do.

[stefang]

Something can be high profile without being interlaced.
A clip can be High Profile without being interlaced. An encoder can
produce High Profile clips without having capabilities for interlaced.
But a decoder that does not support interlaced does NOT support High Profile. In fact video standards specify only decoders.

Perhaps he should read the capabilities before making a purchase.
That's what he did.

At least that's what adults do.
Not selling something which you don't deliver, that's what reasonable people do. Independent of their age.

[ChronoCross]

I will politely leave this conversation as it has no relavence to me. Although I do believe that what CoreAVC is doing is justified and VERY clear before making a purchase I realize it will not please all people.

Thank you for your time and I apologize for any feelings of harshness this may have cause.

[Hellworm]

I think "high profile support but without interlaced" is absolutely correct. Support doesn't mean it an officiall, standart conforming, certified ... high profile decoder. It merely says that the decoder is supporting high profile but without interlaced.

It would be much more complicated ( also for the end user ) to say this is a main profile decoder, that can decode high profile encodes which only use the features of bframes, cabac ... wouldn't it?

[CruNcher]

Yeah but the problem here is the average guy doesn't even know what the term "Interlace" means so i get stefang his point it is indeed problematic and could couse frustration on the end consumer level and alot not so nice e-mails to the CoreCodec support. That wouldn't be bad @ all i think but takeing into account that they have alot of US customers and seeing how US citizens like to sue everyone where possible, it could get problematic i think.
The Example of that Camera is a very good one seeing all the new AVCHD cams being released. But im still hoping that CoreCodec finds another way of Cross Financing the AVC Licenses, hope dies at last :)

[foxyshadis]

They just need to identify somewhere that CoreAVC standard will not play the vast majority of captured DVB streams, due to interlacing - in other words, that standard is more the DVD backup/media center choice.

[BetaBoy]

Of course saying the standard version of CoreAVC supports


I, P and B slices
Multiple reference frames
In-Loop Deblocking Filter
CAVLC and CABAC
8x8dct
CQM's

is a lot better than saying main/high profile minus interlaced.

thx... I will upload the 'advanced' description of the decoders Editions where I will break down the features like this so there is no confusion.

[BetaBoy]

They just need to identify somewhere that CoreAVC standard will not play the vast majority of captured DVB streams, due to interlacing - in other words, that standard is more the DVD backup/media center choice.
Standard is more like what Apple provides for AVC content (ipod, mobile, etc.). I will add a 'n00b' explaination of what each Edition does.... thx.

[JohnnyFu]

Hi,

BetaBoy do not forget my e-mail please :)

[Alizar]

I just wanted to post to say how pleased I was with the 1.0 -> 1.1 jump with CoreAVC, having been a tad unimpressed by the launch release. The 1.1 version has been very robust for me and quite CPU friendly.

And...

To provide a bit of context to a small issue which I added to the coreavc bug reporting tool: Apparently CoreAVC does not play well with MKV's variable frame rate implementation. In a file I've encoded that's primarily 23.976 animation, there's a small section of 29.97 that I configured to playback at the proper fps using a timecodes file. Unfortunately, in CoreAVC playback, the 29.97 section is perceptibly jerky whereas using ffdshow this issue does not appear.

[Shakey_Jake33]

This has likely been answered earlier in the topic, but it's become a bit of a jungle now.

Had a problem with CoreAVC 1.1.0.5 where my H.264 files (in mkv container w/ AAC sound, dunno if that matters) would freeze up on my secondary monitor.
Gone back to 1.0 as they work fine on 1.0.

If this a known issue, and has it been fixed in more recent (presumably private) builds?

[Xleon]

I'm glad I was pointed in this thread's direction. It has been informative (and lengthy!).

I've not had a response from emails or posts on the CoreAVC forum, so I thought I'd ask here. I bought V1.0 and was awaiting a V1.1 update link which has yet to arrive. (I've been keeping a constant check on my SPAM folder and it's not arrived there either).

How do I go about getting the V1.1 upgrade?

More worryingly, is it true that it's hardware locked? I only use it on one machine, but I still do not want online activation of any product I own. If the support is this slow, what happens when one day the activation server goes offline and doesn't come back for days? Would I have to wait days to install a product I legally bought and owned?

I would have to had thought about the purchase at all if the activation was enabled in V1.0. It may even have put me off.

It's a real shame as the legal purchasers will be the ones penalised while the pirates will be free to enjoy a hassle-free cracked copy. Having to go through the whole procedure whenever I update some hardware.

Look what happened to StarForce. Now a universally hated company. I don't want a bad reputation to taint what is otherwise an incredible product, as the CoreAVC codec is phenomenol.

[Selur]

"More worryingly, is it true that it's hardware locked? "
No

"How do I go about getting the V1.1 upgrade?"
Good question buddy of mine got the same problem.

[BetaBoy]

I have just sent out 5 upgrades to some ppl that requested. You can send me an email betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll take care of it for you. Once the Core Account it live it will be 'self serve'. You can see purchases and downloads available. For the most part the account system is done but we are waiting to release CoreAVC 1.2 which is planned shortly.

On the hardware lock... we are adding server authentication for CoreAVC 1.2 (also planned for 1.2 is DXVA / GPU support). If there is no net connection on the target device we will offer a path to upgrade it in an offline manner, but it still links directly to your Core Account.

[JohnnyFu]

oO...

You said you will send me a test version that possible fix my green pixel issue.

I mailed you days ago, as requested. I didnt received anything until today.

Now going to email you once again....

[xyloy]

A clip can be High Profile without being interlaced. An encoder can
produce High Profile clips without having capabilities for interlaced.
But a decoder that does not support interlaced does NOT support High Profile.
I agree with that. A decoder wich claims to support a Profile must support it entirely. Otherwise, it's not compliant with the specs.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Personally speaking, I think it would be far simpler for all concerned if there was just one "all singing and dancing" version of CoreAVC....

Or would such a marketing shift at this stage be too ridiculous to consider?

[Xleon]

Thanks betaboy - will do that in a couple of hours.

SeeMore, maybe they could at the very least have just "Consumer" and "Professional/Broadcast" versions? I'm not sure why the base version exists as almost all people will want GPU acceleration and to decode a large number of H264 files, you need multi-CPU support anyway.

[BetaBoy]

Personally speaking, I think it would be far simpler for all concerned if there was just one "all singing and dancing" version of CoreAVC....

Or would such a marketing shift at this stage be too ridiculous to consider?

We are considering omiting CoreAVC Standard when CoreAVC Enterprise comes out. But the market atm still has a demand for Standard Edition. It seems many of the users do not need more of the advanced features that Professional offers.

However, I think you will see a core shift when we release the CoreAVC Encoder and how we market it with the decoder.

[frodeste]

We are considering omiting CoreAVC Standard when CoreAVC Enterprise comes out. But the market atm still has a demand for Standard Edition. It seems many of the users do not need more of the advanced features that Professional offers.

However, I think you will see a core shift when we release the CoreAVC Encoder and how we market it with the decoder.

Is your website down? I am trying to look at the site, but it will not load.

[JohnnyFu]

try corecodec.com, coreavc.com seems to be down very often.

[BetaBoy]

Our host is having a service related issue atm... check back in a little bit. Thx.

[chros]

Does the current version (1.1) support (gain advantages of) multi-core cpu-s (multithreaded ?) ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Does this help: -

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4356/coreavc11spec20060701lk3.png

[chros]

So it does !
thanks SeeMoreDigital !

[Sirber]

Anyone got COreAVC working under mplayer (win32) ?

[Sharktooth]

AFAIK XBMC team is working on it.

[eLupus]

actually we are not working on it right now. currently waiting to see what corecodec decides to do with unix support and such. the windows dlls have abit too much gui deps.

[Gnerma]

... also planned for 1.2 is DXVA / GPU support ...Oh awesome I just noticed this :cool:

So how is 1.2 coming along? We haven't heard from you in a while BetaBoy.

[BetaBoy]

We will have Linux / OS X versions..... but they are not planned for 1.3. Also 1.2 is moving along nicely... I will saying more info when it is prudent.

[blubberbirne]

CoreAVC and Core 2 Duo rocks :)

But still waiting for Release 1.2

[Bathrone]

Betaboy with the latest pre-rc1 build 5536 pf vista ultimate, CoreAVC pro (latest version) will crash wmp11 if the user closes the video playback before the end of the file. if the user allows the footage to complete, its ok.

Also, Vista is not thumbnailling avc encoded media, despite the mpeg4-asp type xvid files thumbnailling fine.

[oddball]

BetaBoy. Sorry to hassle you over here too. But as regards my question about offloading H.264 decoding to the GPU in v1.2 and the Non-SSE2 issue. Will you be able to bypass this problem or will your solution rely on the Nvidia API in which case it won't work for us poor Non-SSE2 users?

Thanks.

[devaster]

coreavc maybe would bypass nvidia api ...

[oddball]

I'd rather hear that from BetaBoy before I get my hopes up.

[BetaBoy]

Sorry guys... I cannot comment on an GPU related items at the moment.

[frodeste]

Sorry guys... I cannot comment on an GPU related items at the moment.

I am on the Vista beta, and can report bugs to MS if you guys find them when testing the CoreAVC. Drop me a PM if you need/want.

@BetaBoy: If you can provide me with beta versions of your software, then I will be happy to test this on the Pre-RC1 build I have now.

[Roscoe62]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but what is the deal with the various CoreAVC websites??!!

I'm very interested in purchasing CoreAVC, but the sometimes slow/mostly unresponsive website loadups are seriously making me re-think!

Is it just me, or has it been this bad for months? Seriously, it sends a very unprofessional message.:mad:

[Shinigami-Sama]

think about this for a second rosoe
this is an 86 page thread
if I remember correctly they've changed hosts to bigger faster hosts 3 times already

and its at its worst during updates to the betas and such

if you took the time to read even 5 of the pages in this thread you would know that they are working on the web service; and have mentioned so many times already.

[Roscoe62]

Well first off, with family life, career etc etc, who HAS got time to read through an 86 page thread? I can't speak for you, but I have a life OUTSIDE of my hobbies.

All I want to do is find out why I've been having so many problems trying to get onto their website. Why should I have to read through 86 pages just for that? If I was interested in following the development history of CoreAVC that would be a different story.

You say they're working on their web service? That's good news but it seems to me they've got a LOT more work to do on it.

And before you start slagging me further - customer service 101 for internet business shows that if your customer experiences difficulties on your website (let alone not even being able to open it in the first place) that's going to have a big negative impact your sales. If I can't log onto the site, I can't buy the product - end of story.

Feel free to disagree, but I say this as a potential customer providing feedback.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

but before this turns into a flame war I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.

[Roscoe62]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

Yes, that's true....but which 5 pages?

I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.

I agree. I really wanted to find out a bit more on the product itself before contacting the developers directly. However, I'd guessed the best place to get that information was on the website itself....but of course that's not really accessible right now.

I apologise if my earlier post appeared a bit impatient. I guess I was feeling a bit frustrated with not being able to follow up on the CoreAVC product. It wasn't my intention to stir up trouble.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Nah, its pretty easy to that hear some days, but most of us members will try to help ya out too

but you can use the search function on a thread to try and find instances of 'downtime' and that should help out

[johnm60]

I have been running version 1.1.05 of coreavc since the world cup - primarily for BBC HD via DVBViewer. I have and Athlon x2 3800 on an Asus M2NPV-VM (GeForce 6150 graphics core) and can only get smoothish playback with the sound in sync using DirectShow delinterlacing on Forceware 81.43. All newer versions of Forceware (including the latest 91.43) produce a green and purple display with DirectShow deinterlacing.

I would like to move to newer versions of Forceware as 81.43 has the side-effect of producing inverted video on the lower-half of the display for hardware accelerated MPEG2 streams.

I have looked on the forums and I cannot find any definitive answers on whether the coreavc issue with DirectShow deinterlacing on forceware after 81.43 is an issue with forceware or an issue with 1.1.05 of coreavc. Does anyone know whether the newer betas of coreavc have this problem with DirectShow deinterlacing on the latest Nvidia drivers?

Cheers
John

[Sharktooth]

blame nvidia for the buggy drivers, not coreavc...

[BetaBoy]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

but before this turns into a flame war I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.
Shinigami-Sama.... correct and I am here... so PM me.

On CoreAVC.... let’s first put out some info if you were not informed in all the pages here. CoreAVC is an off-shoot for our development for CorePlayer and was not really meant to be a DirectShow product till AFTER the various CorePlayer 1.0 products were launched. But as I stated on the original post that because of early testing that showed we were substantially faster then any other H.264 decoder. We opted to do the release ahead of schedule and we already stated we were not ready from a product perspective as our plans were for September.

Where does that leave us.... ATM we have now begun to release invitations for a 'Technology Demo' for CorePlayer 1.0 utilizing our Core Account/Services that we have worked on for the past few months. This is the beginning of allowing the 'self service' for people that have/will purchased our products. All total which should be in the range of 20-25 products within the next 12 months.

To the bigger point a lot of the issues with outages... We have substantially beefed up our infrastructure and are on the second of three phases to build up our networks along with caching with some major backbone providers. Once completed these issues for all of our sites will be resolved. CoreAVC update issues will be a mute point once we bring in the products online within the core account system. When? Well we have had to make major changes to build system with the new addition of our new Universal Make system we call CoreMAKE ( see; www.coremake.com ).

This is a very exciting time for us at CoreCodec.

[frodeste]

Shinigami-Sama.... correct and I am here... so PM me.

On CoreAVC.... let’s first put out some info if you were not informed in all the pages here. CoreAVC is an off-shoot for our development for CorePlayer and was not really meant to be a DirectShow product till AFTER the various CorePlayer 1.0 products were launched. But as I stated on the original post that because of early testing that showed we were substantially faster then any other H.264 decoder. We opted to do the release ahead of schedule and we already stated we were not ready from a product perspective as our plans were for September.

Where does that leave us.... ATM we have now begun to release invitations for a 'Technology Demo' for CorePlayer 1.0 utilizing our Core Account/Services that we have worked on for the past few months. This is the beginning of allowing the 'self service' for people that have/will purchased our products. All total which should be in the range of 20-25 products within the next 12 months.

To the bigger point a lot of the issues with outages... We have substantially beefed up our infrastructure and are on the second of three phases to build up our networks along with caching with some major backbone providers. Once completed these issues for all of our sites will be resolved. CoreAVC update issues will be a mute point once we bring in the products online within the core account system. When? Well we have had to make major changes to build system with the new addition of our new Universal Make system we call CoreMAKE ( see; www.coremake.com ).

This is a very exciting time for us at CoreCodec.

I wish you the best of luck in the work you do. It is appreciated. :thanks:

[Shinigami-Sama]

thanks for the update betaboy :)
looks like another sweet coreproduct

[LeMoi]

Does "View/Pan&Scan/Scale to 16:9 TV" menu in MPC actually extand picture to 16/9 or is it still not working ?
Still no info ?

[Shinigami-Sama]

it does something
to me it looks kinda like a bit of cropping and resizing but I could be wrong

[Bathrone]

Vista is changing the way GPUs interact with the OS, and you get DX10 which has new features for GP-GPU programming.

Will the Core products support this? Being then Vista only what will you do about this?

[ChronoCross]

Vista is changing the way GPUs interact with the OS, and you get DX10 which has new features for GP-GPU programming.

Will the Core products support this? Being then Vista only what will you do about this?

they have't even released GPU for XP and your worried about vista? Besides I doubt anyone will move to vista within the first year or two that ti comes out. There is no point.

[KoD]

Besides I doubt anyone will move to vista within the first year or two that ti comes out. There is no point.
Oh, there will be. All the fanboys that know nothing and believe that by simply installing Vista they'll see "zomg speed improvements". And those are the most noisy ones on all "enthusiast" and "expert" sites as well as those site's editors. If someone would give me a buck for all the IT related "expert" websites out there... ah I'm dreaming...

[Bathrone]

Pull your head in KoD.

With DX10, long standing GPGPU issues like not easily being able to do integers go away. MS has made the GPGPU programmabing more accessible. Additions to the shader language make general purpose gpu work easier.

If you take floating point performance as a yardstick the gpu is well ahead of the cpu.

[BetaBoy]

I would love to comment on GPU support but cannot atm... Not to get to OT here... but we have been working on Vista support for sometime now with various components of the CorePlayer framework.... this includes our decoders as well as modifying our 'Universal Skins' within CorePlayer to allow Aero Alpha Channel Blending... this alone requires some substantial modifications and is no small task.

[Hans Ohlo]

can you comment on a date for 1.2? ;)

[blubberbirne]

i got infos it will release in the next 2 weeke :)

[ChronoCross]

i got infos it will release in the next 2 weeke :)

Psychic? Would you care to provide evidence?

[Romeo_by]

2 BetaBoy

Do you accept something except PayPal? WU for example? PayPal is not avaliable in my place.

Thank you.

[BetaBoy]

We were going to release 1.2 soon but have opted to add more 'things' and catch some ppl by suprise ;-)

[bob0r]

Be sure to do some x264.exe --interlaced testing :)

[Hans Ohlo]

i would appreciate an information tab on the filter settings, which might give some information about the stream which currently is decoded (like bitrate, number of reference frames, b frames etc.) i would like such a feature very much...

[BetaBoy]

i would appreciate an information tab on the filter settings, which might give some information about the stream which currently is decoded (like bitrate, number of reference frames, b frames etc.) i would like such a feature very much...

Its already in the TODO list.... thx for the feedback!

[madshi]

We were going to release 1.2 soon but have opted to add more 'things' and catch some ppl by suprise ;-)
Let me explain about my personal situation: I'm currently recording quite a lot of HDTV H.264 broadcasting on my computer here. But my computer is too slow for playback. Of course it hurts to have dozens of HDTV movies on my harddisks without being able to see them! So currently I'm thinking about upgrading my PC.

Why am I telling you this? Well, because I think there are probably many people like me, whose PC is too slow for H.264 playback with current H.264 decoders. Now if you wait too long with releasing your GPU accelerated decoder, I think you're going to lose potential customers. Because if people like me are tired of waiting for CoreAVC 1.2 and choose to upgrade our PCs instead, we're not going to need CoreAVC, anymore. Instead the decoders we already own will do the trick with the upgraded computer.

Because of these reasons I really hope you reconsider releasing 1.2 as soon as possible - without adding further stuff. I'd love to pay fees for CoreAVC, if I don't need to upgrade my PC instead. The longer you wait, the more potential customers you're losing. There's a window of opportunity for you right now, which is closing over time, as PCs get faster and faster, and as people like me feel the urge to upgrade our PC to have proper H.264 playback power *today* and not tomorrow...

Thanks for listening... :)

[bob0r]

Rushing software is bad, its done when its done.
Or when BetaBoy gets a second girl, in that case, quick money is required.

[Jay Bee]

Let me explain about my personal situation: I'm currently recording quite a lot of HDTV H.264 broadcasting on my computer here. But my computer is too slow for playback. Of course it hurts to have dozens of HDTV movies on my harddisks without being able to see them! So currently I'm thinking about upgrading my PC.

Why am I telling you this? Well, because I think there are probably many people like me, whose PC is too slow for H.264 playback with current H.264 decoders. Now if you wait too long with releasing your GPU accelerated decoder, I think you're going to lose potential customers. Because if people like me are tired of waiting for CoreAVC 1.2 and choose to upgrade our PCs instead, we're not going to need CoreAVC, anymore. Instead the decoders we already own will do the trick with the upgraded computer.

Because of these reasons I really hope you reconsider releasing 1.2 as soon as possible - without adding further stuff. I'd love to pay fees for CoreAVC, if I don't need to upgrade my PC instead. The longer you wait, the more potential customers you're losing. There's a window of opportunity for you right now, which is closing over time, as PCs get faster and faster, and as people like me feel the urge to upgrade our PC to have proper H.264 playback power *today* and not tomorrow...

Thanks for listening... :)

But which decoder would you use even with an upgraded machine? CoreAVC would probably still be the best. The last time I tested the GPU powered variants they didn't do any deblocking. I haven't seen many posts about this though, so I don't know if this has been fixed for newer cards or newer drivers or newer decoders.

But I see your point. The longer the big boys take to get a decent AVC decoder out, the more potential customers there are for CoreAVC.

[Hans Ohlo]

Its already in the TODO list.... thx for the feedback!
on TODO for 1.2? ;)

[Sirber]

Rushing software is bad, its done when its done.
Or when BetaBoy gets a second girl, in that case, quick money is required.
How about Duke Numen Forever? Started in 1998 and still not out :(

[bob0r]

Duke Nukem is planned fornever :stupid:

[Malow]

Be sure to do some x264.exe --interlaced testing :)

ive made some interlaced content, but, it does not deinterlace on coreavc decoder, (using any of deiterlace methods)

using mainconcept encoder, the interlaced content works fine. (i prefer "directshow deiterlace")

[oddball]

Don't forget folks BetaBoy has not promised GPU acceleration across the board in 1.2 (Or rather he has no comment at present regarding the SSE2 issue with Nvidia drivers). Possibly it's a licensing issue. Who knows!

[BetaBoy]

1.2 is the goal other then that I can't say much.

[oddball]

Why all the smoke and mirrors? Licensing issue?

[toytown]

Better check your website out, as its been hacked.

HACKED The WorldsHackeR ACİK ARİYORSAN ARKANA baq ASLANİM BURASİnden GrupTr.CoM Gecti

Taken from http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&board=30.0

[Romario]

The Turks hacked Corecodec site, it seems.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Why all the smoke and mirrors? Licensing issue?

maybe he honestly doesn't know because the coders hit an unexpected delay?

[Hans Ohlo]

yep. but it would be great to get to know some details about coreAVC 1.2, for example maybe a planned roadmap with some vague dates...

please BetaBoy ;)

[Bathrone]

Betaboy I wonder how good the deinterlacing is going to be.

Care to comment on how you might compete with Anchor Bay or Teranex? A recent study showed both Ati and Nvidia performing the HQV benchmark test pretty well.

The core codec quality of the deinterlacing will be especially relevant for 1080i AVC sources.

[foxyshadis]

Why all the hounding for comments and roadmaps? How many companies will publicly announce these kind of things before their PR campaign, and why should Core be any different? (Unless you guys are just hoping you can all bash him if a promised feature gets cut.)

[Bathrone]

It's a healthy thing foxyshadis. The company could leverage this upswelling of community interest and support to their sales advantages. Insightful companies should be excited to see interest for unreleased products.

[clsid]

They should have released an 1.1.x version with some bugfixes. Now many people are waiting for 1.2 before they will buy the product.

[Sharktooth]

right... im still waiting for h.264 lossless decoding that was in in 1.1.0.6beta (or something).
half of my encodes are h.264 lossless so, i wont buy it until it will have that function.

[Hans Ohlo]

i hope the time goes into coreAVC and not into the new licensing model ;)

[HookedOnTV]

Betaboy with the latest pre-rc1 build 5536 pf vista ultimate, CoreAVC pro (latest version) will crash wmp11 if the user closes the video playback before the end of the file. if the user allows the footage to complete, its ok.

I'm having this problem in MCE2005. Freezes up if you hit the stop button.

[sjchmura]

Btw, when will support for h264 transport streams be added - is that a 2.0 feature??

[Jay Bee]

Btw, when will support for h264 transport streams be added - is that a 2.0 feature??

Which files are you having problems with? I have AVC in TS files that work.

[ChronoCross]

TS support has been there since the last version.....

[toytown]

im still waiting for h.264 lossless decoding that was in in 1.1.0.6beta (or something).

Im still waiting for GPU assisted decode which im sure was promised as comming soon approx 6-7 months ago when i purchased the software, if i knew it was going to be half a year, to a year away i would have just got something else.

I'd check there forum for information, but its still got the hacked stuff up, which makes me kinda laugh as that would mean.

1. Nobody from core cares enough to visit there forums regularly and have actually noticed.

2. They would rather have the hacked page up, rather than a blank page.

[clsid]

TS support has been there since the last version.....
The included TS splitter by Haali doesn't work very well. But he is working on a new version.

[ChronoCross]

The included TS splitter by Haali doesn't work very well. But he is working on a new version.

what are you talking about......it works perfect for me. I think it's something on your own machine.

[sjchmura]

THe Haali splitter also breaks nero recode so you can't use both on the same machine.

I tried a sample from the UK (h264+AC3) TS stream that works with nero filters but not coreavc (or the version in MPC). Is the MPC version simply outdated??

[sjchmura]

ChronoCross,

Haali breaking other programs - notibly Nerovision adn NeroRecode 7.57 is well known and documented by Ahead/ATEME.

[ChronoCross]

that's because recode is very bad when it comes to encoding. it has so many issues interfacing with directshow. We have to deactivate half our codecs to get recode to work.

my favorite glitch is why I try to load a file and it says cannot then I can longer add anything to the compilation and it won't allow me to until I restart the entire machien

[CruNcher]

I agree with ChronoCross here Directshow gets problematic if you have hundreds of filters installed from 100 of different vendors, because every one is doing his own thing and especialy companies like to make their filters incompatible with others by nature, years ago it was the "dll Hell" that made our life hard today it's the Directshow Hell :P

Toff made a very nice "Chain Load Analyzer" in Matroskadiag that shows you wich Directshow filter trys to get into the Chain and at wich time that might cause a problem, it helped me alot in debuging Directshow Problems and find those "problematic filters" :)

For Example Elecards Colorspace Converter likes to get into the chain when every it can, and sometimes you don't want that :P

[HookedOnTV]

Betaboy, can you comment on the issue with MCE2005/WMP crashing when you hit the stop button? I see a thread on your forum with many other users having this problem and nobody is getting any kind of acknowledgement. Don't have a keyboard hooked up to the Media Center pc so having to vnc in to kill Media Center through task manager everytime I watch a movie really sucks.

[Hans Ohlo]

i can confirm this MCE2005 problem here too. it is very annoying even with a keyboard nearby.

[Jay Bee]

Be sure to do some x264.exe --interlaced testing :)

I've found a way to get x264 interlaced files working:

-add the "ffdshow raw video filter" to the playback graph
-set the deinterlacing method of CoreAVC to "Directshow"
-set the deinterlacing method of ffdshow to "Bypass" and click "Swap fields"

Would be nice if CoreAVC could do this without any workaround.

EDIT: It also works for MBAFF files created with Mainconcept so I suspect the problem is with CoreAVC not x264.

[BetaBoy]

bond... I have worked on a comparison... but I feel it best to those that are neutral... atm in 'software' we are still about 15-20% faster.

not to get too OT... but get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature;

- Many fixes like the colorspace issue
- New Haali splitter
- Speed increase
- New Installer
- New registration process

We will be relaunching CoreAVC.com next week as well.

[madshi]

not to get too OT... but get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature;
Sounds good! Is this version 1.2 or 1.1.x? Will it include hardware (GPU) acceleration? Thanks!

[Thunderbolt8]

would really look forward for a speed increase, especially with hd h264 files. these ones still need a shitload of cpu performance to be played fluently.

[Seb.26]

bond... I have worked on a comparison... but I feel it best to those that are neutral... atm in 'software' we are still about 15-20% faster.

not to get too OT... but get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature;

- Many fixes like the colorspace issue
- New Haali splitter
- Speed increase
- New Installer
- New registration process

We will be relaunching CoreAVC.com next week as well.

What about GPU acceleration ???

[Thunderbolt8]

im not familiar with coreAVC, does it support external subtitle files (srt, sub) ? if not, I would really look forward to such a implention.

[Sharktooth]

It's a video decoder! Not a subtitle renderer!

[BetaBoy]

It's a video decoder! Not a subtitle renderer!

;-> lol

[Thunderbolt8]

It's a video decoder! Not a subtitle renderer!
well there are people who prefer original language movies, which can be found somewhere in the net sometimes and then (mostly english) subs are needed to understand that japanese/chinese/whatever language. has nothing to do with being a subtitle renderer. vlc also supports that.

[GodofaGap]

CoreAVC is not a player. It is 'just' a DirectShow decoder. And yes, you can watch subtitles in DirectShow using VSfilter.

[Seb.26]

well there are people who prefer original language movies, which can be found somewhere in the net sometimes and then (mostly english) subs are needed to understand that japanese/chinese/whatever language. has nothing to do with being a subtitle renderer. vlc also supports that.
yes ... ... but why add subtitles in CoreAvc ??? :confused:

[Sharktooth]

CoreAVC is not a player. It is 'just' a DirectShow decoder. And yes, you can watch subtitles in DirectShow using VSfilter.
Exactly.

@Thunderbolt8: Just install VSFilter and you can watch subtitles with ANY directshow player using ANY directshow video decoder.

[maxleung]

What about closed captions? At least for mpeg2 broadcasts, CC is usually embedded in the video stream.

Anyways, I would prefer CoreAVC because its software decoding is quite good (despite the colorspace issues), without worrying about specific display driver revisions which may break hardware-accelerated solutions.

[Thunderbolt8]

Exactly.

@Thunderbolt8: Just install VSFilter and you can watch subtitles with ANY directshow player using ANY directshow video decoder.
allright Ill give it a try
does this actually also refer to those external .srt, .sub files ?

[foxyshadis]

What about closed captions? At least for mpeg2 broadcasts, CC is usually embedded in the video stream.

Anyways, I would prefer CoreAVC because its software decoding is quite good (despite the colorspace issues), without worrying about specific display driver revisions which may break hardware-accelerated solutions.

I thought CC was embedded in the ts stream, not the video data. Either way, either the splitter or the decoder could make a text-out pin available to vsfilter to render.

allright Ill give it a try
does this actually also refer to those external .srt, .sub files ?

Yes, if you install vsfilter you can configure it to look up .srt, .sub etc in the same folder. I think it's set to by default.

[bond]

BetaBoy, the mainconcept decoder thread is not for promoting coreavc. posts moved

[Hans Ohlo]

not to get too OT... but get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature;

- Many fixes like the colorspace issue
- New Haali splitter
- Speed increase
- New Installer
- New registration process

now that's what we wanted to hear for a long time. november 2nd, i can't wait ;)

thx

will the windows xp MCE freeze problem be solved? (was/is it a coreavc problem or splitter problem?)

[Thunderbolt8]

Yes, if you install vsfilter you can configure it to look up .srt, .sub etc in the same folder. I think it's set to by default.
bleh, I just noticed that the subtitle file and the movie file both need exactly the same name, apart from the file ending. thats not working for me again then, since I always add "Eng subtitle" or such at the end of those sub files (in case some people who are not that familiar with all that stuff also want to see the movie, so they know what these files are), I cant use it. and even in case I'd start renaming the sub files now, I have already burnt dozens of dvd with different named subtitle files, so this is not a solution for me.
any other alternative available ?

[foxyshadis]

It does have an open button in the filter. You can also copy them into one of the folders listed under paths.

Otherwise you can modify the source to attempt an autoload with your filenames, if you have any specific format you like to use.

Last option is probably loading it into avisynth with directshowsource and a textsub() with the subtitles, then play that. Slow, though.

[Episodio1]

"since I always add "Eng subtitle" or such at the end of those sub files "

If the movie is called: movie.supermegaHDTV.avi you can name the subs file: movie.supermegaHDTV.ENGLISH.srt

You can put even many subs files:

movie.supermegaHDTV.SPANISH.srt
movie.supermegaHDTV.FRENCH.srt

And you'll be able to choose one of them in the right-click vobsub menu.

[clsid]

bleh, I just noticed that the subtitle file and the movie file both need exactly the same name, apart from the file ending. thats not working for me again then, since I always add "Eng subtitle" or such at the end of those sub files (in case some people who are not that familiar with all that stuff also want to see the movie, so they know what these files are), I cant use it. and even in case I'd start renaming the sub files now, I have already burnt dozens of dvd with different named subtitle files, so this is not a solution for me.
any other alternative available ?
If you add an extra dot, then VSFilter will autoload them. Example:

movie.avi
movie.something.srt

(it will display 'something' as the language name)

Edit; damn, a few seconds too late :P

[BetaBoy]

All... a quick review of CoreAVC showing its speed...

http://light.pcinpact.com/a-223-4-AVIVO-Haute-Definition.htm

not very detailed or comparing it to other solutions... anyone from MainConcept want to give bond a demo of the worlds fastest H.264 'SOFTWARE' decoder?

/me says a snidely way

[Seb.26]

All... a quick review of CoreAVC showing its speed...
What do you think about a quick review of CoreAVC's showing its GPU use ??? :D

[HookedOnTV]

will the windows xp MCE freeze problem be solved? (was/is it a coreavc problem or splitter problem?)

Silence speaks volumes...

[Sharktooth]

What do you think about a quick review of CoreAVC's showing its GPU use ??? :D
What about STFU?
Everyone is asking about coreavc and GPU acceleration when betaboy already said he cant comment on it.
The guy (betaboy) should have the patience of a saint coz even if im not a coreavc dev, i cant stant all those requests about GPUs.
Stop it and wait for the next version!

[fenomeno83]

All... a quick review of CoreAVC showing its speed...

http://light.pcinpact.com/a-223-4-AVIVO-Haute-Definition.htm

not very detailed or comparing it to other solutions... anyone from MainConcept want to give bond a demo of the worlds fastest H.264 'SOFTWARE' decoder?

/me says a snidely way

But the definition will be better in 1.2 version?because powerdvd has a better definition(but slower) than coreavc

[Shinigami-Sama]

What about STFU?
Everyone is asking about coreavc and GPU acceleration when betaboy already said he cant comment on it.
The guy (betaboy) should have the patience of a saint coz even if im not a coreavc dev, i cant stant all those requests about GPUs.
Stop it and wait for the next version!

I have to agree, I fail to see all the fawning over hardware accel...
seems like putting a carbon fibre body on a car to me
nice but not neccessary.

dont let them get to ya betaboy :)

[Seb.26]

What about STFU?
Everyone is asking about coreavc and GPU acceleration when betaboy already said he cant comment on it.
The guy (betaboy) should have the patience of a saint coz even if im not a coreavc dev, i cant stant all those requests about GPUs.
Stop it and wait for the next version!
lol ... and about VTFM ... Something to say ? :D ;)

The think which really make me "bad spirit" in this thread ( be sure I'm not really like that ) is that "the guy" (and his team) promise (and sell) to us GPU acceleration (from several months now : about 1 year), and from this date the only things he write to us is :
1) Our decoder is the faster of the world ...
2) ... so imagine when whe will provide GPU acc ...
3) everything else is bad, << CoreAVC powaaaa >> ( [Edit3] : and yes of course it's true ... )
4) GPU is really comming ... but it's too secret ... wait few days, it's for tomorrow ...
5) ... continue to buy our product please ... you wil have the best GPU acc in few days ...
6) ... look this benchmark : other products are bad ...

It's a bit too "marketing" for me ... sorry for bad spirit but ... it's like that ... it's life ... :o

Imagine nVidia/ATI do the same ... just imagine the post about this ... lol

In any case, have a nice day Sharktooth ( and others guys on Doom9 too ), and I hope you will understand my strange English ... lol ... :o

[edit] PS: my first post was more a joke than other things ... but it's life ...

[edit2]
Have fun
Seb ( ready to catch the god - hell's big fire :) )

[CruNcher]

I don't like this either especialy, because we all know that at least Nvidias Driver are not 100% optimized yet and no Cabac is working on the GPU wich takes a big count of the CPU @ decoding H.264 sure @ the moment CoreAVC is the fastest and impressive in it's Software Mode but this could change rapidly my god this is the IT Biz today is allready what was yesterday, but for sure Mainconcept didn't do themselves very good claiming to have the fastest Decoder wich is not the true from a Software Point but real marketing lies and CoreCodec didn't lied in those regards yet to it's customers, allways keep that in mind. And seeing those results should make everyone clear that Hardware accelleration isn't up to it yet only in Multitasks it can help as of now for example DVB watching via BDA you have alot of other threads to handle on the CPU not only Video also the Audio to a regard and all kind of parser and buffering stuff wich most probably would be better with haveing alot done on the GPU then on the CPU and keep the CPU free for the other tasks that's the only thing i encountered small speed differences so far with CoreAVC's Software Mode compared to Nvidias Hardware accelleration.

[Hans Ohlo]

will the windows xp MCE freeze problem be solved? (was/is it a coreavc problem or splitter problem?)Silence speaks volumes...
i am affraid so :/

[toytown]

- New Installer
- New registration process

Doesn't really say alot when you call these new features. Nobody cares what installer you use to be honest and your registration is just a step backward from the very simple install we had before. So calling these new features is a bit of a joke.

What about STFU?
Everyone is asking about coreavc and GPU acceleration when betaboy already said he cant comment on it.

As already mentioned perhaps if he didnt go around shouting about it and how it was comming soon, 9 months ago, then perhaps people wouldnt be continually asking about it. I paid for this software 7-9 months ago, thinking that GPU acceleration was comming soon, and i've still got nothing today. Not only that, but he flatly refuses to even acknowledge some of the issues like the media center bug thats been there for ever.........and would rather spend there time, playing about with the 2 great features mentioned above.

[Selur]

...and your registration is just a step backward from the very simple install we had before.
Here I disagree, a nice registration that allows you to download new updates without much hassel would be nice.

Cu Selur

[Shinigami-Sama]

just because you've not the patience to wait untill something is realeased and then go and complain about it...
some of us are waiting for it come out before paying
it's the safest choice ;)
my vote for it comming out is the next *.5 release

[KoD]

I'm not at all impatient for GPU acceleration. History has shown that GPUs have crippled implementations of hardware decoding which break on certain files. Should I remember people of wmv acceleration and ATi cards ?

[Shinigami-Sama]

well ATI and AMd have teamed up
so maybe ATI will pull it's shoes up and give us some good APIs to work with? O:

[KoD]

It's a matter of what the hardware is able to do. You can change software with patches after the initial release, but you can't chnage the hardware you sold. So, if you discover later that there's an issue in your hardware, not much can be done.

[MacAddict]

well ATI and AMd have teamed up
so maybe ATI will pull it's shoes up and give us some good APIs to work with? O:

LOL, too bad ATI never 'pulled it's shoes' up on video drivers over the years. Hope AMD can help them now!

This thread is starting to sound like sour milk here. MainConcept has stepped in a big pile it seems. More marketing BS?

From this thread I gather GPU acceleration might be the best thing since sliced bread:D Sheesh...

[Shinigami-Sama]

well nvidia hasn't been much better in driver support either
now that we have so much power in them I guess they dont think squezing every last cycle out of them is worth it any more
same thing for all these RAD developers, though in same cases I can agree(GUIs, Frontends, web browsers)

[jblade]

After months and months of no updates on any optimizations happening, or even any "official" posting of where the current next-version is and what is being done, it seems like to me the CoreAVC team merely grabbed our money, and left. I mean its been MONTHS without ANY updates whatsoever. I am SURE the staff can optimize the codec even more to give us even better handling. At the very least, I think the costumers deserve an update on current progress posted on the mainsite. Why should they though, they got our money, even "tricked" a few of us to paying a little extra for a "promised" future upgrade. IMHO the GFX support will likely not happen, especially because of the amount of development that will have to go into it. I regret 100% purchasing the codec, despite how well it allows me to play HD on my computer.

[Kurtnoise]

Well...You should read FAQs and rules before to blame somebody here because CoreAVC is not a codec. Second, updates will be available when all things scheduled will be ready. That's all...

[jimbo276]

I take it a mac decoder is still some way off?

[JohnnyFu]

After months and months of no updates on any optimizations happening, or even any "official" posting of where the current next-version is and what is being done, it seems like to me the CoreAVC team merely grabbed our money, and left. I mean its been MONTHS without ANY updates whatsoever. I am SURE the staff can optimize the codec even more to give us even better handling. At the very least, I think the costumers deserve an update on current progress posted on the mainsite. Why should they though, they got our money, even "tricked" a few of us to paying a little extra for a "promised" future upgrade. IMHO the GFX support will likely not happen, especially because of the amount of development that will have to go into it. I regret 100% purchasing the codec, despite how well it allows me to play HD on my computer.

I total agree. I purchased CoreAVC a long time ago... (maybe a year ?, i dont know.. at least 7-9 months.) I can not recommend to buy CoreAVC to anyone. Promises over promises but no updates/fixes and no support.

I was recently banned from the corecoredec.com forum just because i complained and criticized on the corecodec politics.
And no, i didn't flamed or stuff like that, i just complained and criticized the corecodec politics. Maybe i should'nt do this in their CorePlayer promotion thread next time, it doesn't look good for potential customers.

But the ban confirmed me that i am totally right....

[Sagittaire]

I total agree. I purchased CoreAVC a long time ago... (maybe a year ?, i dont know.. at least 7-9 months.) I can not recommend to buy CoreAVC to anyone. Promises over promises but no updates/fixes and no support.

I was recently banned from the corecoredec.com forum just because i complained and criticized on the corecodec politics.
And no, i didn't flamed or stuff like that, i just complained and criticized the corecodec politics. Maybe i should'nt do this in their CorePlayer promotion thread next time, it doesn't look good for potential customers.

But the ban confirmed me that i am totally right....

lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

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lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

I don't think its that funny. I paid for GPU acceleration, and still I don't have what I paid for. So in my and many ppls opinion an update IS mandatory. So you use the old beta version? Fine you didn't pay anything and can laugh about those ppl that bougt and supported the devs and never got what they paid for. Sure 1.0 is faster then beta 0.4 (or whatever that version was), but promised features are still not there, but a stupid activation in the next version.
And there we go. If I knew how CoreAVC would evolve one year back, I would have never bought the pro version and perhaps not even the basic one and would have stayed with the beta like you did. And yes, the next time Core develops something I will think twice, if I support them. And if you think thats funny, fine, I'm sure the devs don't think so.

[clsid]

Why make update if there are no bug ... ???You don't seem to have read the whole thread...

[JohnnyFu]

lllllllooooooooooooolllllllllllllll ..........

1) Update is not an obligation. I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well. Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin. But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

Usless comment.

You dont even know what we are talking about. Read the whole thread. Look at the coreavc support forum, there are bug threads, there are bugs. And there is almost no support.

If a company advertise features for a product. Then an update is obligation.

Personally i have a major bug wich makes CoreAVC under special circumstances unusable. CoreAVC knows the bug and it should be no big deal to fix it. But there is no fix since months !

Have fun with your old beta.. whatever... version. We paid for something and we want it to work 100% including all advertised features.

[mrkazador]

Im not sure if it has been discussed before but.....
Has Overlay and Vmr9 levels been corrected with coreavc?
Blacks overlay level show as 17
Blacks Vmr9 Level show as 30
Blacks Vmr9 Level with "Fix Vmr9 Color Range" show as 17
Snapped a screenshot with zoom player and using photoshops eye dropper tool i got these results.

Standard File source
OpenSource Mpeg2 Splitter
Coreavc 1.1
Ac3Filter

[Jay Bee]

1) I use an old coreAVC beta version and this filter work always very well.

Is that even legal?


Why make update if there are no bug ... ???

What makes you think CoreAVC has no bugs? There certainly are a few problems with the CoreAVC/Haali package (coloursapce issues, interlaced x264 playback, m2ts playback, AR problems), some of which will be fixed in the next version.



2) If you don't agree with CoreAVC marketing then don't buy CoreAVc plugin.
He should have known that "GPU support soon" really means "well not that soon"?


But at this time this plugin is the fastest available even if you compare with hardware (nvidia or ati) decoding.

Depends on your hardware, but usually not true.

I think CoreAVC is a nice piece of software but I do think the level of support is untypically poor this type of small, independant software company. Usually these kind of companies thrive on the close interaction between users and devs, see Blight and Zoom Player for one example. The CoreAVC forum (and this thread) on the other hand is full of reports and questions that don't get any responses.

And using an online activation scheme for a video decoder seems a bit over the top to me, especially for a format that doesn't yet have a lot of content to play. I hope this won't put off too many potential buyers.

[KoD]

As I recall from a line said by someone who claimed to be a dev at CoreCodec, MPEG LA. requires them to pay a license fee for any decoder they sell, including any decoder updates. That is, you bought CoreAVC 1.1, then when CoreAVC 1.2 appears you'll have to pay again the full amount (or at least as required to pay for that licensing fee).

However, the people at CoreAVC worked to develop an upgrading system to convince the MPEG LA not to ask for a licensing fee for new decoder versions, and so any CoreAVC 1.1 user would be able to upgrade to CoreAVC 1.2 for free. I won't go into details on how this would be implemented since it might have changed in time and there's other stuff...

This new licensing scheme might just be the implementation of what is written above, if they managed to pull it off. In which case it is important because you will have your upgrades without paying any additional fee. (remember that MPEG LA asks for it). So, that "online activation scheme" might seem as something that equals zero, but it's actually something meant to save the buyers from spending additional cash when upgrading.

Disclaimer: I do not work for CoreCodec and I'm not associated with them in any way, not to mention that what I said above might be only partially true or not true at all (you can't really trust people you speak to on the internets to really be who they claim to be).

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As I recall from a line said by someone who claimed to be a dev at CoreCodec, MPEG LA. requires them to pay a license fee for any decoder they sell, including any decoder updates. That is, you bought CoreAVC 1.1, then when CoreAVC 1.2 appears you'll have to pay again the full amount (or at least as required to pay for that licensing fee).


If I read the MPEG Licences correct and remember correctly, the fee is 0.20$ per decoder and does not apply if you sell less than 100.000 decoders a year. I don't think they have that much customers and I would be happy to pay a dollar or two to get the update without stupid activation.
Source: http://www.mpegla.com/avc/AVC_TermsSummary.pdf

[bob0r]

As CoreAVC is already a working product, i am sure some update will come sooner or later.
Bug fixes for decoder and splitter, those are for sure.
But when there is money, people will always do weird things.

The coders on coreavc are, i think, too respected, to let us down for something like a little money.

I just cant wait to download a new CoreAVC version, with at least bugfixes (i agree quicker updates could have been done).
Any new features, how small or big they may be... we can only wait for it.

To people who got banned from a forum: I can mostly agree with you, IF there indeed was some kind of agreement (i never had any agreement about features, just buy, download and use)

Ofcourse if a paying customer has to repay the fee, that would be idiotic... and cant be left unpunished.

CoreAVC has proven to be the best decoder for H.264 in terms of speed, so just be patient and see what the future brings.

[Px]

CoreAVC has proven to be the best decoder for H.264 in terms of speed
Best software decoder ;), on my system PowerDVD7 with hw accel faster :)

[Trahald]

Does anyone have a link to a gaurantee of an upgrade for the purchase? (not to be confused with a gaurantee of free upgrades which is not the same thing)

[BetaBoy]

I love how JohnnyFu comes in and starts s#&t. Hey J FU, i'm here 24/7 I answer every email, I personally take every phone call for our products and I have been here with Doom9 from the beginning with his community for years... and you? Pls take it somewhere else.

/me breathes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)

Outside of D9 I have not announced this release so it may roll over by a day to Sat. while we finish QA on it. But all current CoreAVC users will be notified by email and given access to our new Core Account System where you'll see your purchase order and link to download any upgrades.

[BetaBoy]

BTW... here is a firingsquad mention of CoreAVC... They gotta stop comparing CoreAVC to hardware accel ;-)

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_purevideo_hd_preview/page7.asp

[Shinigami-Sama]

I'm loving how they failed you on 'no AACS' and no real comments coreAVC

[BetaBoy]

:-) yeah... we chuckled why were were even mentioned at all... but note that Blu-Ray support is being added to CoreAVC.

[DryFire]

The CoreAVC H.264 encoder is planned for release at a later date and will mirror the CoreAVC Edition Profiles....

Is an encoder still planned?

[BetaBoy]

Is an encoder still planned?

You know it is ;-) We will actually have a full suite of encoders.

[madshi]

/me breathes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)
Do you have some details for us about what's new? Thanks!

Btw, you should really do something about your web presence. Every 2nd time I try to visit www.coreavc.com, the server is down. This is by far the most unstable website I know.

[blubberbirne]

athes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)

A few day ago you said, the new release will come on November the 2th. Now we have the 2th. I'm still waiting :devil:

[AmbKosh]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
Bye,
AmbKosh

[Hans Ohlo]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
i have to fully quote this question, because it is a huge issue for me too. so will it be fixed?

[JohnnyFu]

No update notification e-mail until now. Hopefully the update will be released today.


OT: I dont wanna dispute with you Betaboy. It is not worth it. But dont tell me you answer on every e-mail and feign as everything is ok. An example: It took three and a half month before you replied to the poeple on the MCE Bug Thread (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=3012.0) yesterday. Beside this Bug Thread (http://www.corecodec.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=29&expv=0&topic=3024.0) I wrote you 4 or 5 emails months ago..... i never got an answer and then gave up my hope, because i realized there will be never an answer or help/fix until the next CoreAVC update will be released.

I like it how you Betaboy come in here and act as if everything is working fine and Johnnyboy is a trouble maker.
As you can see there are alot people upset about the whole situation. I am not the only one.
I am not in doubt about your qualification and status in the community. I dont know why you are making me to your scapegoat. Mabye my posts sounds more gruff or rude than other ones... i dont know.. remember english is not my native language.

[BetaBoy]

J FU.... I appreciate your criticism... in the end feedback makes us stonger.. yes there obviously is a few bugs in the current public version and yes we could have released a newer version sooner.

But I have openly discussued the time we need to get the ppl in place here and it will become very apparent over the next few days/weeks/months why we have delayed some things as we make some pretty heavy announcements.

[wiak]

Hi BetaBoy,
I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.
Bye,
AmbKosh

as far i know the bug isnt a MCE-bug its a dshow bug or something as it is in wmp10,wmp11,mce & mpc

[Rectal Prolapse]

I cannot wait to try out CoreAVC. Is the MCE-Bug fixed in the current release? It would be a pitty not being able to use this cool software with MCE.

Why hasn't Betaboy responded to this basic question yet?

(weird, my post count has been reset!)

[Shinigami-Sama]

I thought he did back about 30 pages...

[Rectal Prolapse]

30 pages? Hmmmm...how do I search for that anyways? :)

EDIT: It seems Thread Seach is broken. I tried a search for "MCE" and got nothing - I guess doom9 can't search for 3 letter acronyms!

[Shinigami-Sama]

the thread search sucks
you can try making google do it
it does a better job

[Sharktooth]

Yep, this forum requires a much better search.
Google can do it but an integrated search would be easier for a newbie.

[Rectal Prolapse]

Thanks guys. Here is a link to Betaboy saying it may be fixed in 1.2:

http://corecodec.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=826&group_id=64&atid=313

[BetaBoy]

Hans Ohlo and Rectal Prolapse.... if you guys want to test email me betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll get you a demo build to see if you have any issues with MCE.

[Hans Ohlo]

Hans Ohlo and Rectal Prolapse.... if you guys want to test email me betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll get you a demo build to see if you have any issues with MCE.
thanks for the opportunity.
the issue is completly fixed with this demo build so there should be no problem with the coming version.

THANKS

[AmbKosh]

@hans ohlo: thanks for the good news. Finally i will be able to play H264 content on my living room PC.

@BetaBoy: will I also receive the updated download link, if i register now, or will I still receive Version 1.1?

[Jay Bee]

I just wanted to say, after my last post was slightly critcal, that this is the type of close support I was talking about: User reports problem -> dev offers test build -> user reports back -> problem solved. Excellent.

Now is there any chance for a comment on automatic deinterlacing of interlaced x264 files? Or lossless AVC playback?

[JohnnyFu]

get ready for a NEW CoreAVC decoder on Thursday Nov 2nd. This will feature.....

First of all, this is absolute no critic :)
I guess the release is delayed, (at least i did not received an update e-mail until yet and it is almost the 4th Nov.) and I want to ask if you have already planed a new release date ?

[BetaBoy]

J FU... I did indicate we were going to take a few more days to test (MCE related with the D9 users)... We are working on the last few things for the launch... and they are really not codec related but backend related... what I can say that will not make it into CoreAVC 1.2 is what we have planned for RGB... that will likely be in the next release.

[bob0r]

http://x264.nl/duke_core.gif

[JohnnyFu]

J FU... I did indicate we were going to take a few more days to test

Oh ok, guess i read over that.

[CruNcher]

@bob0r

bwuahahahaha great :D

[Shinigami-Sama]

duke nukem
dude that rocks
can't agree more

[Rectal Prolapse]

Betaboy, is your email server blocking gmail addresses? I take it you didn't get my email from this morning.

I hate it when businesses use email providers that block gmail.

[Ronin-7]

Another new article with CoreAVC vs. Cyberlink + GPU's and CoreAVC comes out top;

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/video_dec.html

Apologies if this was already asked but do you have an estimate betaboy when your account/purchasing system will be up & running and no longer relying on Paypal ?

[iwod]

Was the new version supposed to come out in 2nd of Nov version 1.2?
Or is it a version 1.1.x?

And since those benchmark are all tested on 1.1 i suppose those scores are no longer accurate :D

[BetaBoy]

LOL.... Nice pic ;-)... We are closer.... so close now I can post the changelog:
Version 1.2.0.0 (200611xx):
- Fix: Interlaced decoding
- Fix: Interlaced reference b-frame
- Fix: Mbaff & paff combination
- Fix: Mbaff deblocking
- Fix: Multiple multithreading issues
- Fix: Directshow: Changed property pages to IPropertyBag (internal change, the
only user visible effect is the page works from remote graphedit now)
- Fix: Directshow: Issue when video format changes on the fly (dshow, happens on some files)
- Fix: Directshow: Improperly initialized output sample length (dhow/internal, coreavc output
can now be properly muxed to avi, etc)
- Fix: Directshow: Windows Media Center (MCE) Freezing
- Fix: Splitter:
[Matroska] Fixed a compatibility issue with files having BlockDuration inside \
a laced BlockGroup (those were produced by mkvmerge around v0.6).
[TS] Fixed a serious bug in mpeg-ts parser that discarded valid audio frames.
[TS] Fix in ts parser
[General] Various small splitter bugfixes and improvements. Added support for cuesheets
and subtitles to dsmux (requires Gabest's Subtitle Source filter). Added an option to
disable error messages, the splitter will silently fail on invalid/unsupported files.
Thumbnails are now extracted in a separate process, so buggy codecs should no
longer affect the host application.
[Matroska] Much improved mkv2vfr utility now handles AVC video and correctly writes
AVI files larger than 2GB, it is now included in the splitter package.
[OGM] Added support for a couple of other ancient versions of the format.
[DXR] A couple of bugfixes.
- Fix: Splitter: [General] Muxer fixes and improvements. Renderer bugfixes and improvements.
Added an MPEG-TS splitter. Fixed some issues with ACM Wrapper. Other splitter bugfixes.
- Fix: Splitter: [Avi] Set track language to undetermined. [MP4] Use proper timescale for elst
records. Added a simple MP4 muxer. [General] Muxer improvements, video renderer
bugfixes and improvements.
- Fix: Various smaller bugs from the bugtracker
- Add: Official Multi-monitor support
- Add: Initial CoreNumber registration
- Add: Username for corenumber is now shown in about dialog
- Add: New CoreAVC logo in the installer and filter properties
- Add: New CoreAVC v2.0 website (sure it is not code related... but we are proud of it!)

[Hans Ohlo]

LOL.... Nice pic ;-)... We are closer.... so close now I can post the changelog:
nice to know... :) but i can't see the the 'Add: GPU acceleration...'

for 1.2.0.1 please don't forget the info page (bitrate, number of ref frames etc.)...

[BetaBoy]

nice to know... :) but i can't see the the 'Add: GPU acceleration...'

for 1.2.0.1 please don't forget the info page (bitrate, number of ref frames etc.)...

No GPU... and info like bitrate is on the todo list.

[maxleung]

Has the color level problem been fixed? And did you get my email? I guess it is too late now. :rolleyes:

(I'm not very happy with the level of support - I've seen much better from other small developers.)

[BetaBoy]

Color works as it should... we however still have scheduled some RGB work that will be done after 1.2 is released and prior to the initial GPU release.

[Eeknay]

Beta, I think he means the black level problem (that as I can see only affects PAFF streams... unless you're saying it's fixed).

[Jay Bee]

Does close mean I should check my emails every five minutes, every hour or every day? :D

[AmbKosh]

This is good news. Lets hope, that pressing the reload button for the CoreAVC web page will soon show some differences...

[Jay Bee]

That's why I asked, don't want to cause unnecessary suffering for my F5 key.

[ajp_anton]

What about x64?
Is it the codec or the player that can/should be 64-bit?

[JohnnyFu]

Very good news Betaboy. I will auto-check my e-mail account every minute from now on.

[Disabled]

/me breathes... Now back OT... Here comes a New CoreAVC, New Splitter, New Website, new Server, Lower Price, a slew of fixes... and the now even faster H.264 goodness ;-)

So it is supposed to be faster is it? Why does it not get stated in the changelog?
I think I'm staying 1.1 then, no registration and same decoding speed...
Sad sad sad... I'm not in need for a personal firewall, but I'm not trusting CoreAVC anymore if it phones home...

[bob0r]

- Fix: Multiple multithreading issues

Sounds like at least one possible speed up.

[oddball]

Any reason GPU support has been dropped from 1.2?

[BetaBoy]

Any reason GPU support has been dropped from 1.2?

Not dropped... just in a later 1.2.x release... although our roadmap may bump it to a 1.3 release but the time period would be the same.

[BetaBoy]

- Fix: Multiple multithreading issues

Sounds like at least one possible speed up.
Its one... there are other things that just did not warrant adding it to the changelog... Let the users tell us if this version is faster ;-)

[BetaBoy]

So it is supposed to be faster is it? Why does it not get stated in the changelog?
I think I'm staying 1.1 then, no registration and same decoding speed...
Sad sad sad... I'm not in need for a personal firewall, but I'm not trusting CoreAVC anymore if it phones home...
Its your choice entirely... we have been upfront 100% of the way in what we are doing. You are clearly wrong and way off base on your pre-judgement of both the decoder (which is faster) and what we are doing with the registration process before we even launch it.

Speak facts and not speculations... our intent is true... we want to prove the value of providing for the future growth of all of our products many of which I have yet to announce... In the end the better we can support them the better they will be... and it is the end user that benefits.

[Romario]

If I decide to pay for CoreAVC 1.2, I want 64-bit version, BetaBoy. Don't you think that 64-bit version is necessary?

[Shinigami-Sama]

If I decide to pay for CoreAVC 1.2, I want 64-bit version, BetaBoy. Don't you think that 64-bit version is necessary?

64bit for what?
*nix?
xp64?
vista?

they dont even have a *nix port yet I dont think

[Sirber]

What's that "call home" BS?

[BetaBoy]

64bit for what?
*nix?
xp64?
vista?

they dont even have a *nix port yet I dont think

In our SDK we have an CoreAVC reference that supports the following platforms:

CE, Windows Mobile, Smartphone, Palm, Symbian, Windows, Linux, OS X (Universal and PPC).

[Shinigami-Sama]

In your SDK, ok, so porting over wouldn't be that bad.
but I was speaking of public ports
or should I try the site again to see how out of date I am?

[Romario]

I think on xp64 and Vista64 versions of CoreAVC 1.2

BetaBoy, you avoided to answer directly on my question!

[Hans Ohlo]

oh man now i am sad again. what stays from the prior much hyped 1.2 is... calling home and some minor speed improvements. sorry, but this is way to much to pay (the new licensing model) for what we do not get (foremost GPU).

[wiak]

I think on xp64 and Vista64 versions of CoreAVC 1.2

BetaBoy, you avoided to answer directly on my question!
XP64 & Vista64 uses the same model
and you can easly port a win32 software to win64 software
just look at xvid there is a 64bit port of that one
http://nwgat.net/mirrors/okejl.dk/dunstan/

[Disabled]

What's that "call home" BS?

That call home BS is that you have to activate 1.2 like you have to activate Norton Antivirus or Adobe Acrobat or MS Office and such. The program is then tied to your computer and you can't easily move your legally bought program to another computer and such. Its like DRM but for Software.

I feel very sorry for Core. I initially bought the pro version to support the devs and because GPU accel would be great, but I would never have done so if i knew how CoreAVC would evolve. I'm pretty sure you could be sued over here in germany for advertising features you do not deliver and for incorporating constraints I did not know before I bought it in a software that still not does what it was supposed to do as I bought the software.
This is what I bought:
Baseline Profile Support, Main Profile Support, High Profile Support, Interlaced (PAFF), Interlaced (MBAFF), SMP (multi-processor) Support, GPU (video card) Acceleration Support
Where does it say stupid activation process? Nowhere! And I don't call the activation a feature that would fall under the "features subject to change" line.

Then there is this refund policy. I would say change it to "refund is possible 30days until you received the software", as that would still not be the case and I would have time to force the refund until GPU support is added! I'm pretty sure that would be a clause that would not stand in our courts either.

[BetaBoy]

I think on xp64 and Vista64 versions of CoreAVC 1.2

BetaBoy, you avoided to answer directly on my question!

I did not avoid it... I think I have spoken about x64 a few times in this thread...

Answer: likely yes, but not till later.

[giandrea]

Do you have plans for a QuickTime component for Mac OS X?
It would be great to have H264 high profile decoding at such speeds built into QuickTime.

[celtic_druid]

Are there even any decent 64bit dshow based players? Not too much use having a 64bit filter without a player to use it in.

[Inventive Software]

Why do people bitch and moan about GPU support? CoreAVC can whip and bitchslap any other codec using GPU acceleration, just with ordinary clean software code. GPU acceleration isn't necessary yet, therefore as far as I'm concerned it can wait. :)

[toytown]

Why do people bitch and moan about GPU support? CoreAVC can whip and bitchslap any other codec using GPU acceleration, just with ordinary clean software code

I think its because its maybe the user purchased COREAVC in the first place, that they would get GPU acceleration in the near future (at least thats why i purchased my version), however it looks like the GPU acceleration probably will not happen this year from COREAVC.

Yes maybe COREAVC is the fastest, but as far as i can see thats the only advantage this software has anymore (at least for the type of content i view), they do not seem to have good customer relations, bugs do not seem to be fixed in a timely manner and now we have the phone home feature. I havent received a single email from CORE with an update to my product since i purchased it in May 2006.

Being fastest is great, its the one think BetaBoy likes to bang on about, however as each month passes, as software catches up and as hardware gets cheaper, it also becomes the feature which is less and less needed. Do i really care if my system uses 55%cpu instead of 40% cpu as long as my h264 movies are playing back.......no absolutely not (others may, of course).

Do i care that my software phones home, support from the DEVS is quite low and bugs take ages to fix..........yes i absolutely do, will i buy another CORE product again.......probably not.

[bob0r]

Why do people bitch and moan about GPU support? CoreAVC can whip and bitchslap any other codec using GPU acceleration, just with ordinary clean software code. GPU acceleration isn't necessary yet, therefore as far as I'm concerned it can wait. :)

They want all that PLUS GPU support, extra fast :D
More More More thats what we all want, cus H.264 is king! :cool:



.... i think CoreAVC 1.2 will RTM the same time windows vista will .... :sly:

[KoD]

To all those concerned about having being cheated with promises of GPU support: please stop using CoreAVC right now and use your favourite Cyberlink/Intervideo solution with "full" GPU support. The rest of us will continue using CoreAVC for what it is - the fastest h264 software decoder available - and we don't really need to see your laments.

After all, if you have the money to buy a card that can really show some h264 GPU acceleration, I don't believe the 20$ you paid for CoreAVC is the end of the world and you're still left with the best software h264 decoder to fall back to when that fancy hardware acceleration might choke.

[maxleung]

GPU Support? What about standard *customer* support? I emailed Betaboy twice from two email accounts - no reply. One from gmail, another from shaw cable.

So we have shipshod email support and now we have phone home registration - what a horrible combination! If I get 1.2, and have trouble activating it, I will be screwed because Betaboy will not answer my emails - and he ASKED me to email him in a previous post.

He has the gall to answer one of my technical questions, but ignore the second question directly related to the lack of email response.

This is unacceptable. Shame on you. Fix it. Make me happy.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Is there any possibility of splitting all the Q&A's regarding proposed GPU support into a separate "CoreAVC GPU Support" thread?

[fenomeno83]

When I set GPU mode in software I switch the decoding from software to video drivers(similar to spdif for audio decoding)?for example if I set gpu in cyberlink and I have a video card that accelerate h264 the decoding of a h264 video is do by my video card and not by software decoder(as cyberlink),all right?So Get I the same quality in all software that support the GPU,because decoding is do by my video card?(Is the same use gpu mode in cyberlink or intervideo for example)?

ps:is better hardware decoding(gpu mode in cyberlink for example)or Coreavc software decoding?
thanks

[DeepBeepMeep]

I don't think think that the lack of GPU support is a big deal beside the vaporware side of it. I think that people shouldn't have very high expectations regarding it unless they have a very bad CPU and a good graphic card.

Indeed, when it is released we will be probably disapointed because either it will be as slow as current hardware decoders such as Cyberlink H264 decoder or it will won't allow us to have any post processor such as ffdshow without losing the hardware decoding (like existing DXVA filters).

I think that 20$ for a such a fast H264 decoder is quite a good deal given the other alternatives that are slower and more expensive.

However, the big issue here is really poor customer support. Fixing bugs such as the color space problem, or crashes shouldn't take months. Small companies are supposed to be much more responsive. I have also sent inquiries by email or posted questions on the official forum which had either no answers or very vague ones.

I regret also that Betaboy has used too many times the "announcement effect" to try to calm us down. The release was due first a couple months ago then last saturday. The release log was published yesterday and we still have nothing.

I am sure they are probably going to announce tons of products and partnerships that will bring big bucks to them (and they deserve them), but come on guys you should be a little transparent and available to the people who have trusted you in the beginning.

[Inventive Software]

They're (CoreCodec) like any company just trying to manage deadlines and customers. Think Microsoft on a much smaller (but more efficient and useful) scale.

And this issue of phoning home? What's the big deal? We've had it since XP, and now Adobe Photoshop and Norton AV/Firewall have it, it's almost de-rigeur for new commercial products to protect their rights and money. CoreAVC is slightly different in that it's a smaller company and when something needs re-activating, the customer support are probably more used to the general user's problems, but that's just my $0.02 in this thorny issue.

Yes, customer support can be bad, but accept the product for what it is at the moment (arguably the best pure software decoder out there ;)) and accept that features you really need / want might not be implemented as quickly as you'd like (i.e GPU support for the braggers amongst you). GPU support is not easy to implement efficiently (one need only look at Purevideo as a hideous example in it's infancy), but once it's into the codec and/or the frameworks / SDKs / APIs, streamlining it's efficiency shouldn't be too hard.

Bottom line: Patience really does have a virtue. :)

[maxleung]

They're (CoreCodec) like any company just trying to manage deadlines and customers. Think Microsoft on a much smaller (but more efficient and useful) scale.

That is no excuse IMHO - look at how responsive the customer support is for TheaterTek, Zoomplayer, and Powerstrip are. Rik Wang at Powerstrip deals with hundreds of technical support questions every month. Andrew at TheaterTek responds very quickly, and so does Blight for Zoomplayer. Those are very popular products too - perhaps as popular or more so than CoreAVC.

And right here in this very forum there is very good support from the guys maintaining the FFDShow builds - and it is opensource!

I guess if you never dealt with the great guys mentioned above you would not expect much from Core support - but hey, I suppose I'm spoiled! ;)

[BetaBoy]

That is no excuse IMHO - look at how responsive the customer support is for TheaterTek, Zoomplayer, and Powerstrip are. Rik Wang at Powerstrip deals with hundreds of technical support questions every month. Andrew at TheaterTek responds very quickly, and so does Blight for Zoomplayer. Those are very popular products too - perhaps as popular or more so than CoreAVC.

And right here in this very forum there is very good support from the guys maintaining the FFDShow builds - and it is opensource!

I guess if you never dealt with the great guys mentioned above you would not expect much from Core support - but hey, I suppose I'm spoiled! ;)

Why troll in this manner? How long have you been with the D9 community? Keep it OT.. I have stated for you to PM here on D9 and as far I can you you have not but instead out of your 21 posts you choose to continue to OT banter bash from a 'personal' perspective.

Are you upset we did not let you betatest? Are you mad about our registration process? I am not going to re-hash this to you over and over again... but as I have indicated before that everone here at CoreCodec including me is easily reachable and here to help... support@corecodec.com or to reach me betaboy@corecodec.com

/me puts this to bed and stops the feeding

[toytown]

Why troll in this manner? How long have you been with the D9 community? Keep it OT.. I have stated for you to PM here on D9 and as far I can you you have not but instead out of your 21 posts you choose to continue to OT banter bash from a 'personal' perspective.

What has the length of time with the D9 community have to do with absolutely anything? If that and his post count is the best think you have to attack in his post, then you really have sunk to low levels.

He quite correctly mentioned that the other products enjoy a good community and support with the devs, and that CORE are very quite on some issues. Instead of critising and trying to attack his post, i would have taken this as constructive critisim and realised that whilst people may be generally happy with the product you have purchased, there very unhappy with the levels of support being offered. If this was my company i would be trying to rectify the issues internally and try best to respond to my customers, instead you attack them by how many posts and how long they signed up.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Is there any possibility of splitting all the Q&A's regarding proposed GPU support into a separate "CoreAVC GPU Support" thread?

seconded

[JohnnyFu]

Betaboy, you should really stop to blame people for beeing D9 newbies because they criticised you or your support.
I you feel provoked than go and drink a tee or something like that, then come back and answer friendly or not at all :)
It doesnt looks good if you blame people or even your own customers in this way.....

Whoever is criticsing your support/products or yourself, you should never become unfriendly, dispute or blame them.
As Corecodec founder you should always be friendly and nice to your customers. In germany we say "the customer is the king".

Think about the fact the people complain about the support. I mean.. this is just an example... but if you request e-mails you should answer them too. Dont wonder if people like maxleung getting upset if you dont answer.


To all the other guys who are upset. I can understand you, there was a long down-time in CoreAVC development. But now we finally get a bug fix version, we should be happy about that. We have to accept that GPU support is delayed and we can not change the support level. Corecodec is a young firm, we have to be patient.

[BetaBoy]

J FU... thats not the intent at all... you and I have both had our issues and we have worked past them. I am not negating the issues to point... we all here agree and we have listened. From CoreAVC 1.2/CorePlayer 1.05 forward we have now added a support ticket to the core account system. This way if you have an issue you simply submit a support ticket for it. This way there is accountability.

[sillKotscha]

What has the length of time with the D9 community have to do with absolutely anything?

in general you are right... a post count does not reflect the knowledge of a user... BUT nonetheless BetaBoy is right.

Look through this thread and what you will see is that most unqualified comments are from user with a low post count. In this context it does mean users with really low knowledge complaining about everything above all complaining about things replied over and over again... they should get warned because of refusing to search at least reading this single thread here...

they do know very little about video encoding/ editing, software development, software maintenance but they are the ones shouting out, complaining, etc. everyone else here knows (maybe not in person) the members of the CC team and shows respect to their work or at least show social skills in terms of waiting/ asking patiently.

I don't know what you are all complaining about... you paid for CoreAVC... so what. Did you pay for the product or did you pay for a right shouting at the devs? Where do you read that future enhancements are assured? It is an added value that software products are kept updated...

stop yelling!!

[maxleung]

Actually, my post count was reset recetly. I don't know when it happened. I've been signed up for 8 months or so. I probably had 20 more posts. Not high by any means, but I have been lurking for a couple of years.

Betaboy, I appreciate your stance, and I am sorry if you interpreted my posts as trollish. However, I did try emailing you twice and got no response. I've also seen similar posts in this and your own forum on lack of response, and felt that my criticism was warranted.

Enough said on that subject - no trace of my emails betaboy? I'll send it again tonight.

[BetaBoy]

Actually, my post count was reset recetly. I don't know when it happened. I've been signed up for 8 months or so. I probably had 20 more posts. Not high by any means, but I have been lurking for a couple of years.

Betaboy, I appreciate your stance, and I am sorry if you interpreted my posts as trollish. However, I did try emailing you twice and got no response. I've also seen similar posts in this and your own forum on lack of response, and felt that my criticism was warranted.

Enough said on that subject - no trace of my emails betaboy? I'll send it again tonight.

You can even CC corecodec@comcast.net too ;-)

[Rectal Prolapse]

Thanks! Seems to be working now - I don't know which one worked, but who cares? :D

[foxyshadis]

I feel very sorry for Core. I initially bought the pro version to support the devs and because GPU accel would be great, but I would never have done so if i knew how CoreAVC would evolve. I'm pretty sure you could be sued over here in germany for advertising features you do not deliver and for incorporating constraints I did not know before I bought it in a software that still not does what it was supposed to do as I bought the software.
This is what I bought:
Baseline Profile Support, Main Profile Support, High Profile Support, Interlaced (PAFF), Interlaced (MBAFF), SMP (multi-processor) Support, GPU (video card) Acceleration Support
Where does it say stupid activation process? Nowhere! And I don't call the activation a feature that would fall under the "features subject to change" line.

This is not true. You should not make veiled threats of lawsuits over incorrect interpretations. You bought CoreAVC 1.0 (or 1.1), with the features it had at the time, you did not buy 1.2 or 1.3, nor guarantees of versions of timeframes for inclusion. You bought the product as it existed when you bought it, along with promises of GPU support at "a later date" and sometimes "soon" - no definite date, and the feature has not yet been dropped so the promise of eventual support hasn't been broken.

As an aside to the fact that you bought 1.0 (or 1.1), you have every right not to upgrade to 1.2, with its activation, if you have moral objections, though it's been provided freely. At no time has Core ever attempted to hide the presence of activation in 1.2 - I remember it being discussed right after 1.0 was released, or even before - but you're trying to slimily imply that the product both cannot change (with regards to activation) and must change (with regards to GPU), both because you bought a prior version. Doesn't work that way.

I will say, though, that I think Core needs a special symbol on their feature chart making clear that it's a future feature, instead of just a footnote.

[clsid]

I think it should be removed from the feature chart completely. The only place where it belongs is on a roadmap. Only when a feature is actually available it should be on a feature chart.

[BetaBoy]

Thx for the feedback.. Our new site which we are launching with the CoreAVC 1.2 removes it from the chart but adds it under as a future addition.

[madshi]

Just want to say that I find it positive that there's a new build of CoreAVC out soon, even if GPU acceleration is not yet included. It's better to release all the fixes/minor improvements that are already implemented in the code base rather than releasing nothing at all. The only alternative would have been to delay the next CoreAVC version until GPU acceleration is done, which could be a few more months. I think most of the frustrated comments in this thread are not because there's a new build out very soon, but because it's generally taking so long for the GPU acceleration to arrive.

So please, CoreAVC/BetaBoy, don't be discouraged and keep on releasing minor new builds, if they are ready. That's welcome. Of course faster general development would be even more welcome, but that really has nothing to do with the next minor build.

Just my 2 cents...

[oddball]

The reason I personally want GPU support is because I have a AMD 3200 XP CPU with an AGP 7600GT which will not make use of GPU in Purevideo because Nvidia in it's infinite wisdom decided not to include it on Non-SSE2 processors. The people like me with less powerful CPU's are the people that actually need the GPU boost the most! I was hoping that in combination with CoreAVC's already fast decoding that with GPU support as well it would allow me to playback those H.264 AVC clips that have all the options set to 'On'. Currently I cannot playback H.264 at full speed if it is encoded with all the options on as my CPU is not powerful enough.

What would be cheaper? $10-20 for a software solution or $1000 for an all new wizbang hardware upgrade?

I was pinning my hopes on the former but it looks like it's slipping further and further into vaporware. Even if it is added in a future build of CoreAVC BetaBoy says he cannot comment whether it will indeed work on Non-SSE2 CPU's. It would still be a case of suck it and see. :(

[crypto]

Everybody can decide to buy it or to leave it. No reason to get angry. I personally think an activation scheme for a codec is a total overkill and a reason not to use it. Too bad, because coreavc is/was really a good codec now joining the drm, encryption, protection madness the industry is trying to establish.

[CruNcher]

crypto the industry is forcing them todo if you wana play buisness you have to follow the rules this is how it goes, and (IP) protection is one of these, for the ultimate growth (and the ferrari in the backyard) ;)

[Rectal Prolapse]

I figured out why my post count "changed" - I log in from two different computers and apparently I have two accounts. Oops! Fixed now.

Anyways - GPU support doesn't bother me too much, because I have a fast PC. I was never expecting GPU support because I bought CoreAVC the day it came out and I don't think it was mentioned on the website if I remember correctly.

So, if GPU support does make it, I would assume it is optional - given the number of bugs in video drivers these days, it would be nice to have something to fall back on when NVIDIA/ATI screw it up. :)

[Disabled]

This is not true.
...

I'm no lawyer, so youre right, I might be wrong. But I'm pretty sure, that the (our) law protects me from companys proposing a million features to be included in a later release and not including them "in time". Core can say in 20 Years, they will include it in a later release. Untill today GPU accel is a feature I bought as stated on their site.

And for the activation, over here you can't just put copy protections on a cd without telling anyone. Over here you have the right to know what you buy, before you get your product. I still did not get the product I bought, but get restrictions I never wanted. I'm no lawyer and don't think this has ever been gone though the courts, but I think I would have a fair chance going out on top.

Don't get me wrong. I would never file a lawsuit to corecodec. I still think core has a good product there. But I still think that I have the right to get GPU support without activation. You can include the activation and whatever you want in 1.4 (if 1.3 has GPU), as I got my paid product then.
If they made CoreAVC open source, I would have donated at least as much as I paid for the pro version, and If they now would go closed source with activation and shit, well, then I could not do anything and it would be my personal problem. But as a paying customer I have more rights than a begging downloader.

[woah!]

it is close to a "bait and switch" offer to be honest. they promise something to you to sell a lower product to you first.

i believe core will eventually make a gpu enhanced version, but in all honesty they shouldn't be touting it on this forum so early and not expect some people to jump on them after 2 revisions have been released since that time and still nothing about gpu.

like i said i dont care myself...

[lazyn00b]

OK BetaBoy et al., I don't care about the activation, and I don't mind the lack of GPU support (for now).

What I want to know is why have I (and other MCE users I presume) been waiting for half a year for a working decoder?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=839424#post839424

Check out the date on that post - it's from June! I bought CoreAVC virtually on the day it was released, and there still hasn't been a fix for the stability issues on MCE 2005. Telling me "it's fixed in the codebase" or something like that isn't going to make me happy. The CoreAVC website isn't even responding right now, which doesn't inspire much confidence.

All this big talk about big plans for the future - CoreASP, -MP3, -AC3, GPU support, etc, doesn't impress me much when you can't even release a fix for the one product you've actually sold. It makes me wonder if you guys are serious about building a business or if you're just hoping to get hired by somebody like Nero before you get kicked out of your mom's basement ;)

In case you haven't noticed, folks on Doom9 tend to be EXTREME tightwads who are RARELY persuaded to part with their money, especially when so much high quality Free/Open Source software exists for their needs. The only reason so many people (like me) jumped on the CoreAVC bandwagon was because of the insane performance - in that respect, CoreAVC certainly delivered. Speed isn't everything however; stability and support matter, too!

You guys got my money once, but if you want it again you're going to have to get serious about supporting your product.

[fenomeno83]

when will be release coreavc 1.2?

[BetaBoy]

We are closer now (thx Jarod for pointing out the .ts issue) and have just integrated our digital signing into the package... Now that is done all that is left is to QA delivery/install and then release it.

[AmbKosh]

So what is you suggested rate for the refresh button in my browser? minutes, hours or still days? ;) Anyway I cannot wait to try the CoreAVC 1.2 for my media PC.

[Romario]

Well, I hope that BetaBoy will manage to resolve any bug in CoreAVC 1.2 in time for final release.

BTW, I still expect 64-bit version of CoreAVC 1.2 for xp64 and Vista64!!!

[Malow]

working with x264 interlaced is all i wish :D (with directshow deinterlace)

[bob0r]

Malow, i had BBC.HD.Robin.Hood.S01E03.H.264.1080MBAFF.AC3.5.1-BBC.sample.ts tested, and BetaBoy said CoreAVC did its job, and i specificly asked for directshow deinterlacing.

So if its not properly working, we know who to stare at for a long time :sly:

[Jay Bee]

Does BBC use x264? :D

And where can I get this file?

[oddball]

Does BBC use x264? :D

And where can I get this file?

LOL. No it uses the less efficient H.264 AVC method. Very hard to decode too without a fast PC I may add (Sulks).

[Eeknay]

So was the black level issue in PAFF streams fixed in the end? Didn't really get a firm answer on that.

[Px]

Some info about currently avaible GPU accel:
Nero Showtime, even with GPU Accel, slower than CoreAVC;
PowerDVD7 with GPU accel faster than CoreAVC, but sometimes produces lower quality picture, because picture deblocking in that mode is off (no time to test PowerDVD7 GPU A vs. CoreAVC deblock off......)
I don't tested WinDVD8 yet, but for now I got bad feelings about GPU accel in that program.....

[JohnnyFu]

What indicates the deblocking status in PowerDVD7 ?

[CruNcher]

@JohnnyFU

you won't see any deblocking take place, you could say Cyberlink is cheating ;)
but everyone have to keep also in mind that it's Decoder was entirely optimized for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray playback

[Px]

What indicates the deblocking status in PowerDVD7 ?
Quality of picture, of course :)

[fenomeno83]

try new intervideo windvd 8!tomorrow I will test it!!

[Jay Bee]

What indicates the deblocking status in PowerDVD7 ?

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/23/1_003.png
http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/23/2_000.png

So can anyone confirm that Nvidia AVC decoding actually never does deblocking and it's not just some bug with my 6600 GT AGP card? I had been thinking that it's just me because I hadn't seen anyone else reporting it.

[Jay Bee]

Just did a quick tryout of the new Elecard encoder beta: you can add Elecard MBAFF to Mainconcept MBAFF and interlaced x264 on the list of files that CoreAVC can't deinterlace.

[BetaBoy]

By Wednesday that will be a mute point ;-)

[bond]

Just did a quick tryout of the new Elecard encoder beta: you can add Elecard MBAFF to Mainconcept MBAFF and interlaced x264 on the list of files that CoreAVC can't deinterlace.elecard = mainconcept and x264 also uses mbaff

[Jay Bee]

By Wednesday that will be a mute point ;-)

http://www.funkyfridge.com/shop/images/AB-BP-24805-I.jpg


OFF TOPIC:
elecard = mainconcept and x264 also uses mbaff

I see. I've always been a bit confused by that. Are they the same company or is one company licensing the encoder from the othe company or is it a joint development project or something entirely different?

[bond]

same company

[CruNcher]

Mainconcept (Germany) acquired Elecard (Russia) some time ago and now the (IP) is merging more or less into each other, Mainconcept Develops Industry Solutions and Elecard does more Endconsumer Solutions now.

[JohnnyFu]

double post, delete me

[JohnnyFu]

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/23/1_003.png
http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/23/2_000.png

So can anyone confirm that Nvidia AVC decoding actually never does deblocking and it's not just some bug with my 6600 GT AGP card? I had been thinking that it's just me because I hadn't seen anyone else reporting it.


Oo... wtf... I can't confirm that. Never saw such block-artefacts and i never heard of it before... So Cyberlinks deblocking works for me.

Btw picture quality, I never saw a big differences between CoreAVC and Cyberlink. Ok maybe sometimes.... e.g. a little flicker produced by CoreAVC on a BBC HD Galapagos episode but nothing big and Cyberlinks decoder often produces a thin stripe on the bottom of the picture.

[Shinigami-Sama]

By Wednesday that will be a mute point ;-)

*moot

but thats good to know :)

[blubberbirne]

*moot

but thats good to know :)

Let us see, what will be on Wednesday ;)

[CruNcher]

Btw picture quality, I never saw a big differences between CoreAVC and Cyberlink. Ok maybe sometimes.... e.g. a little flicker produced by CoreAVC on a BBC HD Galapagos episode but nothing big and Cyberlinks decoder often produces a thin stripe on the bottom of the picture.


There is a bigger Chroma upsample Difference with Mainconcept/Elecard and FFDShow being best Cyberlink and CoreAVC are only moderate in those regards and as i said this has also an inpact on Rendering speeds and here Mainconcept/Elecards Decoder has an advantage over FFDshow (it uses Hardware accelleration too) and looks visualy better then both with it enabled @ the moment, this problem is known to CoreAVC and as Betaboy previously said a better quality mode is in the works.

There will be a big test soon from me (for now those are only my beta testing results) but im still working out the test conditions.

[avtar]

By Wednesday that will be a mute point ;-)

BUT Beta boy you fail to mention which Wednesday!!!!

[bob0r]

Touché!

[iwod]

Do you have plans for a QuickTime component for Mac OS X?
It would be great to have H264 high profile decoding at such speeds built into QuickTime.

any plan on the mac?

[Oxygen]

I'm no lawyer, so youre right, I might be wrong. But I'm pretty sure, that the (our) law protects me from companys proposing a million features to be included in a later release and not including them "in time". Core can say in 20 Years, they will include it in a later release. Untill today GPU accel is a feature I bought as stated on their site.

foxyshadis is perfectly right, Corecodec indicated clearly that theses features where future additions to the initial release. You should really look deaper into laws, what they enforce and what they allow, and stop BS about that.

As for that
But I still think that I have the right to get GPU support without activation.
I dont' see the logic here. What right ? When you bought XP (did you ?) at the initial time, did you threatned microsoft to sue them because now they enforce WGA with windows updates, while not enforcing them at that time ?
You should be glad to have free upgrades, not all companies provide that. But you have to commit to the whole upgrade. You can't have the cake with no dishes afterwards, or any other metaphor you want.

Don't take me wrong, i disagree with the activation process too, for various reasons.
crypto the industry is forcing them todo if you wana play buisness you have to follow the rules this is how it goes, and (IP) protection is one of these, for the ultimate growth (and the ferrari in the backyard)
But as CruNcher stated, the issue is more global. It's not just about corecodec being an a**.
I may recall wrong, but as far as i remember, the free upgrade is normally not free in term of MPEG LA licences. What they manage to agree with the MPEG LA is that they could provide free upgrades as long as they forced the licences to stick to a computer.

Sadly, i don't see any other solutions but that one.

Anyway, what i'd really like is to be able to add other computers to the licence linked to my coreaccount, at a discounted price of course. That way i could install legally coreavc on my laptop, and my media computer, that i can't really do (legally) right now.
Otherwise, i tend to agree with all critics to the activation process, but what choice do we have otherwise ? To pay full price for all 1.x > 1.y upgrades ? Well, i'd pass on that one thanks and choose the later one :)

[Px]

So can anyone confirm that Nvidia AVC decoding actually never does deblocking and it's not just some bug with my 6600 GT AGP card? I had been thinking that it's just me because I hadn't seen anyone else reporting it.
It's not a bug, same picture in some videos on
GF6600 PCI-E
GF7600 GT PCI-E
GF7900 GT PCI-E
in powerdvd, but, in nero picture quality is normal....but no big speedup. Also, same artifacts on ATI X1900XTX in both powerdvd and nero with near the same speed, so I think that it's codec problem, not videocard....
But on some videos, even with DxVA there are no such artefacts, and for now, I don't understand why....

[wiak]

It's not a bug, same picture in some videos on
GF6600 PCI-E
GF7600 GT PCI-E
GF7900 GT PCI-E
in powerdvd, but, in nero picture quality is normal....but no big speedup. Also, same artifacts on ATI X1900XTX in both powerdvd and nero with near the same speed, so I think that it's codec problem, not videocard....
But on some videos, even with DxVA there are no such artefacts, and for now, I don't understand why....
:stupid:
and at betaboy wil coreavc 1.1+ ever be done in time for christmas?
or will it be like duke nukem forever? aka never done. :D
:thanks:

[Disabled]

When you bought XP (did you ?) at the initial time, did you threatned microsoft to sue them because now they enforce WGA with windows updates, while not enforcing them at that time ?
The difference is, that MS did not say "firewall included (to be added at a later date)" and forced WGA before delivering promised features. (And yes, I have two legal XP versions and CoreAVC is the only non OSS software I have on my computer besides some freewares from very trusted sources)
I'll stop arguing that way as I have no intention at all to go to the court.

Other thoughts:
What will happen in ~5 Years with my legally bought software? They will have droped support for this version (and free updates to come) by then, but till when will the activation servers be online? I just read about Adobe not supporting the activation of GoLive 5.0 anymore. Do I have to go back to 1.1 then? Or will it in that scenario be legal to use illegal software with my legal license?
What happens if Core ever will go bankrupt?

The Codec will be tied to the computer? What happens if I change hardware?
I will at least install it into a VMWare image to see what it does and see that it will not harm my system or phone home regularly or needs to be reactivated if I change hardware and the test process I do with every untrusted software. After that I might install it on my system, that would make two activations in a short time on completely different systems. Is that Ok?
Does the activation get reverted after uninstallation?
How often am I allowed to activate the software?
...

I still wonder how long it will take 1.2 to be released illegaly on the net...

[Inventive Software]

Pardon me Disabled, but with that attitude you can kindly STFU and accept the world's a bitch. It's society as we know and love to hate it. Get over it!

<rant>Most people (vast generalisation, humble apologies) who bought it wanted the GPU acceleration in future so that their fancy new NVIDIA or ATI graphics card's GPU would have something to do when they watched their HD or Standard Definition broadcasts, regardless of the fact that the CPU was doing all the work, and CoreAVC was doing it's job flawlessly without any assistance from the GPU. It's a boasting feature IMO, and nothing more. Dual-core CPUs and efficient coding mean that GPU acceleration isn't really necessary, unless (and it's a big unless) you have a CPU that's at least 2 generations out of date and is single core. Even then, there's only so much the GPU can do. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Purevideo took ages to get right. Expect CoreAVC and the CoreCodec team to have the same problem and need to work around them.</rant>

CoreCodec: You're doing a wonderful job. If I wasn't a hard-up student, I'd have paid for CoreAVC Professional by now to enjoy my DVD backups properly. :)

[Disabled]

Pardon me Disabled, but with that attitude you can kindly STFU and accept the world's a bitch. It's society as we know and love to hate it. Get over it!

I guess youre right. The one half does not know about the internet and accept everything, the other half says "are you stupid using originals? You have much less fuss with warez", and they are often right, like with software you have to activate...
At least the majority of the ppl I know fall into these two categories and I left both a long time ago.

[Jay Bee]

It's not a bug, same picture in some videos on
GF6600 PCI-E
GF7600 GT PCI-E
GF7900 GT PCI-E
in powerdvd, but, in nero picture quality is normal....but no big speedup. Also, same artifacts on ATI X1900XTX in both powerdvd and nero with near the same speed, so I think that it's codec problem, not videocard....


Good info. How come none of the review sites noticed this?
Essentially this means that Nvidia Purevideo AVC is still broken, over two years after its announcment. Or is there a combination of GPU and decoder that actually deblocks and performs considerably better than an average CPU?


But on some videos, even with DxVA there are no such artefacts, and for now, I don't understand why....

Have you tried these clips with CoreAVC with deblocking switched off? Maybe these clips are just encoded in a way where they don't benefit from deblocking.

[BetaBoy]

any plan on the mac?
Yes... by 1.3 we will have a QT component if not much sooner.

[Px]

Good info. How come none of the review sites noticed this?
Because it's happens not at all files, I notices it only on third or fourth test launch....

Essentially this means that Nvidia Purevideo AVC is still broken, over two years after its announcment. Or is there a combination of GPU and decoder that actually deblocks and performs considerably better than an average CPU?
No, it's mean that codec developer implements DxVA in that way, because in nero on NV picture is normal....But no big speedup :)

Have you tried these clips with CoreAVC with deblocking switched off? Maybe these clips are just encoded in a way where they don't benefit from deblocking.
Not yet, but tomorrow I'll got ATI X1650 PRO on tests, and later retests NV 7600 GT.....

[bob0r]

Yes... by 1.3 we will have a QT component if not much sooner.

#define much_much_later 2019

if much_sooner == 0 then { echo "available in the year $much_much_later"; };
fi

[BetaBoy]

#define much_much_later 2019

If much_sooner == 0 then { echo "available in the year $much_much_later"; };
fi


;-) Hey.... by this time tomorrow night 1.2 will be out then I can move on to other things ;-)

[Shinigami-Sama]

#define much_much_later 2019

if much_sooner == 0 then { echo "available in the year $much_much_later"; };
fi

looks like shell script and C
:\

and by 2019 we'll have a new codec standard
mpeg-93 for all we know

[Thunderbolt8]

any numbers yet how much faster the new version is ?
my star wars h264 hd files stutter, wonder is the new version could fix that :S

[oddball]

any numbers yet how much faster the new version is ?
my star wars h264 hd files stutter, wonder is the new version could fix that :S

I need those synced AC3 files ;) I will probably get told off for that. I am not requesting just stating before I get jumped on! LOL.

[Thunderbolt8]

do you need any syncronization for that ? for me it seems like the sound is ok

[AmbKosh]

Hmmm. The corecodec.org page is down since one hour or even longer. Could this be the first sign of the relaunch? ;)

[madshi]

Hmmm. The corecodec.org page is down since one hour or even longer. Could this be the first sign of the relaunch? ;)
It's online for me half of the time and offline the other half of the time for weeks/months. I've no idea why they don't seem to be able to offer a stable web presence. Well, whatever...

[hwti]

Good info. How come none of the review sites noticed this?
Essentially this means that Nvidia Purevideo AVC is still broken, over two years after its announcment. Or is there a combination of GPU and decoder that actually deblocks and performs considerably better than an average CPU?


No deblocking too with my 7900GT and powerdvd decoder. I have another bug : I can't get full speed on 50p/60p videos. With dxva on, they play from 45 to 55 fps, without dxva, no problem, I get the full framerate.

I hope someone will release a good GPU accelerated decoder. Maybe DXVA 2.0 on vista will help.

[JohnnyFu]

No deblocking too with my 7900GT and powerdvd decoder. I have another bug : I can't get full speed on 50p/60p videos. With dxva on, they play from 45 to 55 fps, without dxva, no problem, I get the full framerate.

I hope someone will release a good GPU accelerated decoder. Maybe DXVA 2.0 on vista will help.

Again, i cant confirm that for my 7600GT. Currently i am using Cyberlinks decoder only, because most of the h264 new*gro*p movies are too heavy for my CPU+CoreAVC, and I never saw those artifacts.
Can you send me a source sample from one of your movies that gives you artifacts ?

[Px]

Can you send me a source sample from one of your movies that gives you artifacts ?
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p/cornell_m1080p.mov

[JohnnyFu]

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/1080p/cornell_m1080p.mov

Thank you.

coreavc (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc.png)
pdvd7_dxva-off (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/pdvd7_dxva-off.png)
pdvd7_dxva-on (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/pdvd7_dxva-on.png)

Btw, it wasn't easy to snap the same picture, is there a tool/trick to shoot excatly the same frame ?

However, there are artifacts on both decoders, but cyberlink dxva-on seems to produce a little more artifacts.

[GmorG McRoth]

Btw, it wasn't easy to snap the same picture, is there a tool/trick to shoot excatly the same frame ?


You tried, Media Player Classic "go to frame" function?

http://free.for.ya.googlepages.com/2006-11-15_204149.png

[Thunderbolt8]

allright, finally I can get on the coreavs homepage but it still says latest version is 1.1 so are they late once again or is the v1.2 only available in some priv section ?

[Px]

However, there are artifacts on both decoders, but cyberlink dxva-on seems to produce a little more artifacts.
With DxVA on picture looks like "dirty", but I don't see any artifacts not on CoreAVC, nor PDVD with DxVA off. Maybe because of 17" display ^)
Also, there is VMR9 bug on NV, look on same picture with overlay mixer

[Px]

You tried, Media Player Classic "go to frame" function?
After the "go to frame" positioned frame doesn't decoded, so you need to play and pause picture again :)

[IgorC]

coreavc (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc.bmp)
pdvd7_dxva-off (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/pdvd7_dxva-off.bmp)
pdvd7_dxva-on (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/pdvd7_dxva-on.bmp)

You can compress bmp images to png (lossless). That would safe a bandwidth and time to open it.

[Px]

You can compress bmp images to png (lossless). That would safe a bandwidth and time to open it.
Better compress with winrar :)

[JohnnyFu]

I'm sorry, screens are png now. Didn't realized that each screen shot was 8 mega bytes huge :)

[wiak]

;-) Hey.... by this time tomorrow night 1.2 will be out then I can move on to other things ;-)

3 & 1/2 hour left then :helpful:

[Shinigami-Sama]

3 & 1/2 hour left then :helpful:

I got 7:45 left by my clock ;)

[wiak]

the clock when betaboy posted the message was 04:00 something and now its 01:30 something ^^ on the forum clock

[Shinigami-Sama]

the clock when betaboy posted the message was 04:00 something and now its 01:30 something ^^ on the forum clock

forum clock is set to GMT offsets based on user preferance
so its not the same user to user :P

[bob0r]

http://x264.nl/duke_core_what.gif

[wiak]

http://x264.nl/duke_core_what.gif
:goodpost:

[Shinigami-Sama]

lol b0b0r

[BetaBoy]

I'm too tired to laugh ;-).... Last thing we are now doing for Jarod is checking for site spelling errors (I am still sure he'll find a few i'll miss). Next up in about 2 hours is to change over to our new Core Account services and bring live the new server/site.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I'm too tired to laugh ;-).... Last thing we are now doing for Jarod is checking for site spelling errors (I am still sure he'll find a few i'll miss). Next up in about 2 hours is to change over to our new Core Account services and bring live the new server/site.

and about 2 hours is when wednessday ends from gmt-8

glad everything is to schedual
[/razzing]

as for spelling errors
hope you didn't do the final compile before you spell checked the GUI for the installer and menues ;P

[Ginsonic]

Site is online :D !

[BetaBoy]

Almost... DNS will take a while to propagate and I still have to edit the download/purchase buttons and make some slight mods.... Then we will begin to send update notifications to our current customers.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

What are limitations for the trial version ?

[Ginsonic]

Almost...
Just noticed it !

[JohnnyFu]

long waited for that, hope the update mail comes soon.

[blubberbirne]

Then we will begin to send update notifications to our current customers.

:goodpost: Hope you're right ;)

[BetaBoy]

Purchase buttons are edited..... upgrade emails are going out now.

[BetaBoy]

oh... FYI... current installer is not compatible with Vista... We will release a Vista capable installer later today.

[Ginsonic]

Purchase buttons are edited..... upgrade emails are going out now.

Desperately waiting for mine... :o

[celtic_druid]

What's with the tags about the size of your dick? So anyone can just add stuff? Doesn't seem like a good idea.

[Randi]

err another question: How do I dl the new version, been searching for 10min now... oh and according to 9/10th of the tags betaboy like boys :-)

*edit* and when I say dl, I mean in Coreaccount System (yes I bought the software and normally I am able to find everything)

*update* found it, seriously guys, ever heard of usability? ;-)

[JohnnyFu]

Just received the update. But i'm in trouble to register the codec...

When i try to re- or un-register the codec i get the following message:

Error loading C:\Programme\CoreCodec\CoreAVC Professional\CoreAVCDecoder.ax

a dynamic link library (DLL) initializiation routine failed

Maybe i should have uninstalled the old version before ? :(

[Jay Bee]

Before I register: Do I need to use my real name? Does it have to mach the name I bought my license with. Will it understand ä,ü,ö etc.? Will my name be visible to others, for example in the forums?

And yes, I am paranoid. :)

[Kurtnoise]

Houston, we've got a problem :

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7023/coreavc12in1.th.png (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coreavc12in1.png)

Registration of CoreAVCDecoder.ax can't be made...even manually. What's wrong ?

/edit: JohnnyFu beats me...

[BetaBoy]

For the few ppl that download... redownload it again... it's been fixed.

[BetaBoy]

Before I register: Do I need to use my real name? Does it have to mach the name I bought my license with. Will it understand ä,ü,ö etc.? Will my name be visible to others, for example in the forums?

And yes, I am paranoid. :)

You name will be tied to the email so its already in the services... but its not even visable to me unless I jump through hoops.

[BetaBoy]

celtic_druid... thx... 3rd party tag adding has been removed.

[blubberbirne]

@BetaBoy

Big Problem. I Register me to the ne Service with the link you send via eMail. After this i locked in.

But then i saw this....

No Purchases Found !
You are not allowed to create a Sales Order

Waht the hell is going? Want to Donwload CoreAVC 1.2 :mad:

[Morte66]

Before I register: Do I need to use my real name? Does it have to mach the name I bought my license with. Will it understand ä,ü,ö etc.? Will my name be visible to others, for example in the forums?

And yes, I am paranoid. :)

It doesn't need your real name, or the name you used when buying it. You seem to be making an account for future use, rather than identifying yourself as a previous purchaser (I guess the customised URL handles that). I didn't use "special" characters.

Oh, and it works fine so far. :)

[Morte66]

@BetaBoy

Big Problem. I Register me to the ne Service with the link you send via eMail. After this i locked in.

But then i saw this....

Try hitting the download link from your email again.

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy

Big Problem. I Register me to the ne Service with the link you send via eMail. After this i locked in.

But then i saw this....



Waht the hell is going? Want to Donwload CoreAVC 1.2 :mad:

Click the downlod link in the email again... if it does not work.. forward me the email.... betaboy@corecodec.com

[blubberbirne]

Ok, now it works :)

[blubberbirne]

Ok, i testet the new CoreAVC with DVBViewer and DVB-S2 Programms, and it still lags :( CPU Usage is only ~30-40%