CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC" [Archive] - Page 46

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:05

If we all would know that the only interest of CoreCodec would be to protect their interest we all FOR SURE would not have been partecipating to its development.
And if it's the case, i'm waiting for nth time that this thread would be closed as soon as. Its a shame for all doom9.

You do know why it's not closed right? Cause it doesn't violate any forum rules. lol.

anyone who participated in the development knew it was for a commercial end.....that was never a secret.

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:06

Like almost all normal software. With a protected source code and a serial. That's it, and that's enough !!

Da Cryptum

you mean the serials that everyone has access to once on the internet? That seems to work real well to stop piracy.

3ngel

24th November 2006, 22:07

anyone who participated in the development knew it was for a commercial end
Oh, yes for sure, not that i would have to tell them on which WC i put my ass when i have to defecate.

That seems to work real well to stop piracy.
God you're such an ignorant... with what courage you dare to speak...

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:18

Oh, yes for sure, not that i would have to tell them on which WC i put my ass when i have to defecate.

God you're such an ignorant... with what courage you dare to speak...

mmmm pot calling the kettle black.

Nice and childish shit reference.

You still didn't answer my question smartass.

3ngel

24th November 2006, 22:23

You still didn't answer my question smartass.
They have already replied to you f***ing blind

Like almost all normal software. With a protected source code and a serial. That's it, and that's enough !!

And this is for your f****ing ignorance

StarForce3 has been unprotected, how much time do you think it will take to uprotect yours?
.....
2) You have accomplished nothing 'cause your so fatigued DRM will be unprotected

Cryptum

24th November 2006, 22:25

That seems to work real well to stop piracy.

Like DRM. Look for Adobe, Microsoft products and Co lol ...
You don't understand that it's impossible to stop piracy, i mean IMPOSSIBLE !

Da Cryptum

clsid

24th November 2006, 22:26

you mean the serials that everyone has access to once on the internet? That seems to work real well to stop piracy.
Either you are really smart or 99% of all software companies are really stupid.

It is impossible to stop piracy. The goal of running a company is maximizing revenue. Bad support and things like activation can and will scare off customers.

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:30

Either you are really smart or 99% of all software companies are really stupid.

It is impossible to stop piracy. The goal of running a company is maximizing revenue. Bad support and things like activation can and will scare off customers.

I;m just saying statistics show how much companies lose to piracy with serials. At least core is trying. Those other things do the same thing and yet no one stops buying the product. Microsoft products are giant pieces of DRM but has that stopped anyone? no.

I would rather have this activation than a stupid serial key. Cause then Iwould have a serial key and the off chance that someone figures out my key and now I don't have a prodcut to use cause they think I'm pirating it. That happened alot back in my gaming days with keys. At least with the activation I know my purchase is bound to my computer.

3ngel

24th November 2006, 22:34

I would rather have this activation than a stupid serial key.
Because you're one of those girlies who go around attached to T-Bag in prison break? :)

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:38

Because you're one of those girlies who go around attached to T-Bag in prison break? :)

I enjoyed reading the prison break response. Unfortunately for you it pretty much took away any credibility your argument might have had. Now your nothing but a small blip in this thread by which you gave none of your own opinion and simply rehashed what everyone else said.....so you ever plan on telling us how you think core should protect their IP?

Cryptum

24th November 2006, 22:39

Because you're one of those girlies who go around attached to T-Bag in prison break?

:D :D

Too funny :D

I enjoyed reading the prison break response. Unfortunately for you it pretty much took away any credibility your argument might have had. Now your nothing but a small blip in this thread by which you gave none of your own opinion and simply rehashed what everyone else said.....so you ever plan on telling us how you think core should protect their IP?

But you, you don't have really some good argument, so ..

Da Cryptum

tomos

24th November 2006, 22:41

MM quoting wikipedia. good thing this isn't a place of higher learning or you would have gotten an F. That definition is misleading as to what DRM really is. The activation is missing the thing that makes DRM DRM. Do some research and I'm sure you'll figure it out someday.

You still didn't answer my question.......how are they supposed to protect their product?

woah! lots of bad feeling in this thread guys.

as for the above question - why should consumers answer it? it's not our problem. protecting the product is the concern of those who produce it - not those who buy it.

all that matters to me as a comsumer is that i don't have any hassle using/installing/reinstalling that program.

if it comes out that i have the hassles mentioned above, then i will use a blag copy of the program since as someone who has legally bought coreavc, i don't see why i should have to put up with the hassle when people who pirate the program won't have any problems at all.

3ngel

24th November 2006, 22:42

@Chronocross
Eheh i'm glad you enjoyed (and understand) the prison break statement.

Well little girl, for your question

how you think core should protect their IP?

that's the answer
You don't understand that it's impossible to stop piracy, i mean IMPOSSIBLE !

and

It is impossible to stop piracy. The goal of running a company is maximizing revenue. Bad support and things like activation can and will scare off customers.

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:43

Even if you did purchase coreavc using a pirated version actually would void your license. As it's a violation of the AUP.

So basically your response is to give up protecting the product and just encourage piracy. It may not be able to be stopped but you can sure as hell show your doing something about it. You would just have them just put a copy of the full version on the site for free and not charge anything and simply just let everyone use it without activation......good business plan there genius. I wonder why more comapnies don't take this approach......oh that's right, their actually interested in making money.

Cryptum

24th November 2006, 22:49

So basically your response is to give up protecting the product and just encourage piracy. It may not be able to be stopped but you can sure as hell show your doing something about it. You would just have them just put a copy of the full version on the site for free and not charge anything and simply just let everyone use it without activation......good business plan there genius. I wonder why more comapnies don't take this approach......oh that's right, their actually interested in making money.

Nope like i said. Just a protected source code (very hard protected but it don't means a constraining software/product) and a serial. Like 99% company do.

Da Cryptum

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 22:52

Nope like i said. Just a protected source code (very hard protected but it don't means a constraining software/product) and a serial. Like 99% company do.

Da Cryptum

wasn't talking to you. you gave a good answer. the other guy did not.

Even though the key thing is flawed and overused and sends data to their servers anyway (compares to a list of fake/comprmised keys)

3ngel

24th November 2006, 22:53

Just a protected source code (very hard protected but it don't means a constraining software/product) and a serial. Like 99% company do.

Sancta.

(compares to a list of fake/comprmised keys)
Mmm... pheraps you're quite in it doesn't it? :D

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 23:00

Sancta.

Mmm... pheraps you're quite in it doesn't it? :D

english motherf*cker...do you speak it?

Sirber

24th November 2006, 23:03

guys, take it easy. Strikes might come...

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 23:04

guys, take it easy. Strikes might come...

lol it's a movie quote. I didn't understand the sentence so I pulled a pulp fiction quote.

3ngel

24th November 2006, 23:08

Sancta
From latin "Sancta Verba" means "Holy words"

Now, knee on chickpeas for all the bull**its you've said! :)

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 23:09

I meant this

Mmm... pheraps you're quite in it doesn't it?

I knew what the first one meant......

3ngel

24th November 2006, 23:12

Thats mean that if you know about fake/comprmised keys you probably are expert "in the argument".

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 23:16

it's a common knowledge practice. Not an indication of my pirating use. it's what windows genuine advantage is based on.

CiNcH

24th November 2006, 23:25

I don't mind wheter it is DRM or not.

Fact is, what's happening here is funny and ridiculous. With such attitude and incompetence (restrictive activation, "promises" like hardware acceleration, a trial version, delays and other things that caused a lot of discussions here) you simply lose potential customers and upset already customers, having this said from an objective point of view...

Even without thinking about the little faux-pas I have just dropped the idea of buying CoreAVC because I simply do not want to be restricted in that way. I do not mind why it is restricted, whether it is because of licencing, piracy matters or whatever.

Just decide for yourself whether all this is ok.

clsid

24th November 2006, 23:39

clsid

24th November 2006, 23:47

A legal copy of CoreAVC Pro 1.2: $14.95
3 bottles of coca cola regular: $4
2 bags of potato chips: $2
Spending 5 hours to crack the activation: $0

Uploading a torrent to piratebay: PRICELESS

ChronoCross

24th November 2006, 23:56

http://archive.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?/legacy/articles/piracy/chart3.jpg

simple yet effective graph.

I'm glad that everyone in this thread supports piracy so much.....

Inventive Software

25th November 2006, 00:06

@clsid: :goodpost: That's a good one! :D:D:D:D:D

CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE WATCH THEIR LANGUAGE AND CUT THE PROFANITY? IT'S A FAMILY FORUM.

I can't believe you're arguing over this. Note that Betaboy's not even responded to this. He's probably laughing his ass off at you lot bickering over another product with activation.

And oddball: I'm sorry to hear you just want out.

No doubt Dan will eventually sort the teething problems of their activation system, (which they are, OK? New system, new problems, it's the norm, live with it.) but I suspect that it's just because they got swamped and the server cried "ENOUGH". It happens, the only solution is waiting. Filing complaints is all well and good, but not all customer service is exemplary; CoreCodec just happens to be near the bottom of the barrel in this, which is a little unfortunate.

Like I said before about 200 posts ago (yes, that's how good the spam is in this thread :D), I'll wait till around Xmas before I think about purchasing it. But again, like Romario, I may wait till it goes open source some time next year. I can make do with ffdshow cause I deal with SD content at the moment.

Sirber

25th November 2006, 00:10

Spending 5 hours to crack the activation: $0

I bypassed the activation system. Took me 20 minutes. I emailed BetaBoy about it with my 11 steps tutorial.

I will not share the tutorial so don't bother asking for it.
All I can say is that it's easy.

Been a great learn though :)

clsid

25th November 2006, 00:30

I said a reliable source. Not some lame graph by the RIAA equivalent of the software industry.

It does not contain any empirical data that shows how the level of protection relates to the amount of piracy. That's the issue at discussion here. Nor does it show any empirical evidence that the guestimated losses are actual losses.

There have been independent studies (I'm to lazy to go and find a link) that show that a significant amount of people who pirate music also buy more legal music. Those additional sales more than compensated for the reduction in sales caused by other groups of music pirates. It is fairly likely that the same holds true for software. First you download a cracked version, try it, like it, and buy it. Or convince your boss at work to buy a volume license. (most software revenue comes from businesses)

I bypassed the activation system. Took me 20 minutes. I emailed BetaBoy about it with my 11 steps tutorial.

I will not share the tutorial so don't bother asking for it.
All I can say is that it's easy.

Been a great learn though :)
I guess the 20 minutes was without eating chips and drinking lots of cola :D
Why share with BetaBoy and not with the rest of us? :devil:

Cryptum

25th November 2006, 00:33

I'm glad that everyone in this thread supports piracy so much.....

You're welcome :)

bypassed the activation system. Took me 20 minutes.

LOL and re LOL. 9 month to develop this crap and 20 minutes to crack it -> LOL

Da Cryptum

ChronoCross

25th November 2006, 00:34

the example of music is fleeting. There are many products of music, there is only one coreavc. once you've pirated it there is nothing left to buy and the odds that you will buy it when you've already got it for free is pretty much 0.

How many businesses need coreavc? The amount of money they would make based on businesses is likely way less than other software which has a practical business purpose. Therefore they rely more on personal purchases than volume licensing. More Piracy from individuals means a significantly lower profit margin than the average software company.

Sirber

25th November 2006, 00:40

Why share with BetaBoy and not with the rest of us? :devil:I did for personal challenge, and I will not pirate and share something I bought.

Maybe this way I can show CoreCodec everything gets cracked and it's bad to put more restrictions on the paying customer.

bob0r

25th November 2006, 00:41

http://x264.nl/duke_activation.gif

clsid

25th November 2006, 00:44

the example of music is fleeting. There are many products of music, there is only one coreavc. once you've pirated it there is nothing left to buy and the odds that you will buy it when you've already got it for free is pretty much 0.
You are wrong. There is a benefit in going from a cracked to a bought version. Indeed, the software stays exactly the same. But the fact that it is pirated or legal changes. There are lots of people who use a pirated piece of software for a while and then decide to buy it because they like it very much and want to support the developers. You are obviously not such a person. Neither am I. But I do know plenty of people who do act in such a manner.

ChronoCross

25th November 2006, 00:47

3ngel

25th November 2006, 00:48

Ahahahah i can't stop laugh! :D

More Piracy from individuals means a significantly lower profit margin than the average software company.

You know what this means?
That if users that bought this product are only those on this forum, they'll soon will go to bankrupt 'cause of their DRM policy :D

G_M_C

25th November 2006, 00:49

I;m just saying statistics show how much companies lose to piracy with serials. At least core is trying. Those other things do the same thing and yet no one stops buying the product. Microsoft products are giant pieces of DRM but has that stopped anyone? no.
[...]

You seem to have a tendancy to NOT read what others write. MS get away with this because their protection method does allow some freedom. It isn't very often you'll have to call MS to re-activate you OS. And when you call them, it is fixed in minutes. Thats called customer support.

Maybe you'll see the difference. There is allmost no freedom in the CPS (CC protection system / DRM), there is very bad customer support, and it MIGHT be fixed in a couple of days. And .... all that sh*t for a piece of software that doesnt even come close to the sophistication of an Operating System.

The arrogance of comparing a codec to an OS .... :o

ChronoCross

25th November 2006, 00:59

mm yea learn about the word arrogance. look it up in a dictionary. you guys bitching like this is the end of the world is what makes the comparison to an OS appropriate. The freedom that MS allows is a result in the fact that bill gates has 60 billion dollars. He can take a small hit for piracy.

You people keep comparing CC to some company that has 1000s of employees to handle customer support. The freedom you people want to have is what makes activation and or protection of IP useless and what causes so many smaller companies to go under. The "I bought it I should be able to use it everywhere I want" doesn't make sense.

Have you ever called MS? Apparently not.

@3ngel
What you wrote in comparison to what I said once again doesn't make sense.

Cryptum

25th November 2006, 01:03

The piracy has given to him 60 billion !! That is a fact ! :)

Da Cryptum

Sirber

25th November 2006, 01:07

They helped it.

Around 1995 all M$ product had a bypass key like 123-1234567 :D

clsid

25th November 2006, 01:19

IT's not even that. It's just such a random occurrence that someone does what you say. by basing a buisness model on it you would be taking a big risk. With an uncertain payout an inability to protect your own product from theives would make you look worse to possible investors
1) Perhaps you should learn English as well. However you seem to be an expert on arrogance. So skip that part of the dictionary.
2) By your argumentation CoreAVC v1.1 and below would have barely been sold. Afaik those sold pretty well, so your argumentation is false.

You people keep comparing CC to some company that has 1000s of employees to handle customer support.
CoreCodec doesn't have millions of customers. A small company should be able to give decent support as well.

Sirber

25th November 2006, 01:22

A small company should be able to give decent support as well.Detritus Software is failing miserably on that ;)

bond

25th November 2006, 01:29

strikes for rule 4 for 3ngel and ChronoCross. lets get back to a nice language please

ChronoCross

25th November 2006, 01:33

Guess how many employees they have.....I'll be you, your wrong with the guess.

My argument cannot be tested without taking approximate statistics. It's based on piracy which is an unknown variable. No one knows how many copies of it are out there. That doesn't make my arguments false it just makes it unprovable in a logistics sense.

I'm sure if we had the appropriate stats coreavc 1.1 would have made alot more money without piracy or at least some sort of protection.

clsid

25th November 2006, 01:35

Detritus Software is failing miserably on that ;)
LOL. You are forgiven since your prices are so low :)

tomos

25th November 2006, 01:43

wasn't talking to you. you gave a good answer. the other guy did not.

Even though the key thing is flawed and overused and sends data to their servers anyway (compares to a list of fake/comprmised keys)

if you mean me? i dont have to give an answer. i can only speak as a consumer not for the business side.

if you can speak for both, then good for you but i wont/cant.

i only care about the consumer side. i dont have to give any answers as to what companies should do to protect their IP. it's simply not my problem. as others have said, activation is a PITA and using a pirated one is not. simple.

ChronoCross

25th November 2006, 01:44

if you mean me? i dont have to give an answer. i can only speak as a consumer not for the business side.

if you can speak for both, then good for you but i wont/cant.

i only care about the consumer side. i dont have to give any answers as to what companies should do to protect their IP. it's simply not my problem. as others have said, activation is a PITA and using a pirated one is not. simple.

wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the guy directly above that post mr. 3ngel

lol