CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[nevcairiel]

You really expect Haali Renderer to do 3D? :)
The thing is so outdated these days, its not even funny anymore.

[LigH]

Then don't miss the fact that CoreAVC is a commercial decoder too. Just not half as expensive. And not locked to a specific GUI. A level of kindness to be returned by not exaggerating demands, I'd suggest.

[pankov]

You really expect Haali Renderer to do 3D? :)
The thing is so outdated these days, its not even funny anymore.
A man can have dreams, right?
;)
I do understand that it's very improbable to happen. I was just pointing out that they have all that's needed to start the work.
Is it really that hard to enable 3D in a renderer? Isn't it just enabling the correct resolution and refresh rate from the video card and presenting 1920x2160 frames at the right time? (at least that's my idea of what 3D Frame Packing is)

Then don't miss the fact that CoreAVC is a commercial decoder too. Just not half as expensive. And not locked to a specific GUI. A level of kindness to be returned by not exaggerating demands, I'd suggest.
Yes, I know it's a commercial decoder (I own a few licenses). But the idea is to have the ability to use it in your favorite player. And it's not only the GUI - it's the automation (remote control and such) that bothers me most.

[nevcairiel]

Is it really that hard to enable 3D in a renderer? Isn't it just enabling the correct resolution and refresh rate from the video card and presenting 1920x2160 frames at the right time? (at least that's my idea of what 3D Frame Packing is)

For proper 3D support, you need special code for every GPU that you want to target.

[rica]

So we'll continue our non consumer CoreMVC 3D licensing for now and revisit the consumer directshow filter after 4:2:2 is added in v3.5 (Noting my previous post that we are jumping to v3.5 after v3.1 when we add 4:2:2.).

Sorry, but it is never a convincing excuse.
Me and some folks are tired of asking "when".

CoreMVC 3D has been available for OEM/Developer licensing for over a year now. As far as a consumer decoder however we felt it was more important to get the last remaining features in CoreAVC before releasing it since its 99% based on it.


4:2:2 ?????
Consumer has been using Stereoscopic Player already.


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As stated CoreMVC is a separate product, but at its core it uses CoreAVC. Technically we already addd support for Haali's splitter for MVC streams with the 3.0 release but we are adding support for the MS directshow MVC spec before we release CoreMVC.
It has been out since last February, but only for OEM licensing in both library and directshow forms. Based on feedback we opted to push out a consumer directshow decoder till after we added 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 in CoreAVC. We will revisit a possible release afterwards.


I think I should start a new "non-existent Core MVC" thread.




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[an3k]

For proper 3D support, you need special code for every GPU that you want to target.

You can't just show a 3D video as done by YouTube or AviSynth (own script)? I doubt so!

[an3k]

You really expect Haali Renderer to do 3D? :)
The thing is so outdated these days, its not even funny anymore.

Haali Media Splitter - Version 1.11.233.7 (20110830)
- FIX: Various DTS Audio bugs
- ADD: Improved DTS support
- ADD: Support for MVC 3D videossee http://corecodec.com/products/coreavc/changelog

Do NOT use the download from the "official" website http://haali.su/mkv/ because development on this has afaik stopped. The latest Haali Splitter is always included in the latest CoreAVC Setup.
You don't have to buy CoreAVC to get the latest Haali Splitter. The legal download is located here https://customers.corecodec.com/downloads.php - you don't need to register!

[BetaBoy]

We have finished adding 4:2:2 to CoreAVC but its not gonna make it into CoreAVC 3.1 (consumer) as we still need to do QA on it as there maybe some 4:2:0 slowdowns that need to be addressed. Otherwise we are still working on QA with CoreAVC 3.1.

We have also done some more work on Haali's splitter and added support for Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) in MP4 containers. This will be available with CoreAVC 3.1 when its released.

[flapane]

With latest version of CoreAVC (2.5.5) on 7 x64 and HD5670, DXVA worked great with MPC-HC, but I couldn't enable it on WinTV live HDTV. The tray icon remains blue and the cpu sits at about 60%.
Furthermore, a guy from the WinTV tech support asked for more informations on CoreAVC API needed to set the GPU acceleration. I suppose that it may help to better understand the problem.
Any hints?
Thanks

Quote from May 2011.
Any updates?

[BetaBoy]

Quote from May 2011.
Any updates?

Nobody from Hauppauge contacted us, so no.

[BetaBoy]

All... just a heads up. Based upon dev and feedback here and the issues with the CoreAVC 3.1 directshow filter (not the SDK) it becoming apparent we need to change the directshow CoreAVC configuration options. We are leaning towards removing both the input/output format sections since the issue now with 420 8-bit modes/420 HiBit modes/444 8-bit modes/444 HiBit modes (and the soon to be added 422 modes for CoreAVC 3.5), is that it's not necessary to allow certain formats to be disabled since the renderer shouldn't accept formats that it doesn't support and the only reason to change the priorities might be to prefer RGB output over YUV, which is a bad idea because our internal conversion will be lower quality than if the renderer handled it.

[CiNcH]

With latest version of CoreAVC (2.5.5) on 7 x64 and HD5670, DXVA worked great with MPC-HC, but I couldn't enable it on WinTV live HDTV. The tray icon remains blue and the cpu sits at about 60%.
Furthermore, a guy from the WinTV tech support asked for more informations on CoreAVC API needed to set the GPU acceleration. I suppose that it may help to better understand the problem.
Any hints?
Thanks
It is quite obvious. The streaming demultiplexer/splitter used in WinTV (most likely the one from Microsoft) does not set SPS/PPS when connecting to CoreAVC which CoreAVC requires to enable DXVA. I also experienced that with WatchTVPro which also uses the Microsoft demultiplexer. Both, Hauppauge and the WatchTVPro dev, can't add that feature for a 3rd party component (they could insert a DirectShow filter between the demultiplexer and the decoder that does the job though). You can ask Microsoft, good luck though... ;) . Same problem with DVBViewer and its DVBSource filter. You can try 'LAV Video' instead of CoreAVC. It seems to be much better suited for a streaming environment anyway.

So you see that the problem is known and there are some ways to go about it. I wouldn't wait for CoreCodec.

[rica]

Long-lasting delayed train.
It never comes at all.

[BetaBoy]

rica... To be clear CoreAVC 3.1 is available now in SDK form with all the new features and profiles support. The consumer directshow filter is a whole other thing and delays happen. This release is no different than any of our previous releases where we QA, get feedback and adjust the release as needed. We thank everyone for their patience.

[TheShadowRunner]

BetaBoy, here's another sample to test versus CoreAVC 3.1 directshow filter when available.
Hi10 content, no problem with LAV.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uwwgif
(black is supposed to be perfect black, artefacts on clouds..)
Thank you.

[Cyber-Mav]

did v3.1 ever get released?

[hajj_3]

only the sdk :(

[BetaBoy]

atm yes 3.1 is only for licensing in library form. We are still working on the new directshow properties for the consumer 3.1 release.

[wanezhiling]

@BetaBoy

http://pan.baidu.com/netdisk/singlepublic?fid=541564_817515797
CoreAVC 3.0.1 can't decode the file smoothly in all the three sw/cuda/dxva modes.
Besides, it gives a corrupt image (http://i.imgur.com/0YkQm.png) at about 00:00:04 in dxva(AMD only) mode and sw mode .

[jmelan]

With the recent microsoft additions to MVC in directshow/windows 7. We will release a consumer decoder after we add those additions. Also we wanted to wait till we added 4:4:4 support which is now done. So likely sometime at or around CES.

Note that the CoreMVC Library SDK (non-directshow) has aleady been released for Developer / OEM integration and is being used for consumer 3D applications.

is it possible to give us a release date for coreMVC?

thanks

[flapane]

Nobody from Hauppauge contacted us, so no.

There's this message from Sept. 2011, at this point I guess it's useless bothering anymore with this h264/wintv issue.
Somebody doesn't care much about this problem, but frankly I'm tired of investigating further about who's and why. I'm just... disappointed.

As you can see on Hauppage forum, they sent an e-mail to CoreAVC devs, without luck.
---> original thread: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?22237-CoreAVC-DXVA-support&p=104840#post104840
I tried, no response.


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[CUT]. Same problem with DVBViewer and its DVBSource filter. You can try 'LAV Video' instead of CoreAVC. It seems to be much better suited for a streaming environment anyway.

So you see that the problem is known and there are some ways to go about it. I wouldn't wait for CoreCodec.

Thanks, but unfortunately WinTV sees LAV video decoder for MPEG2 video only but not H264, I don't know why.

[qissiril]

Hi guys!
I have a simple (i hope) question.
Is there support for WVC1 video from CoreCodec 3.0.1 ?
I have got video stream (in MKV container) who's FOURCC is "WVC1".

Core AVC Help note is saying : INPUT FORMATS: avc1 / AVC1 - Accept streams with avc1 / AVC1 FourCCs.
So what about "WVC1". This is part or VC-1 or not?

Thanks.

/ I am werry sorry for my english , but i'm from Poland /

[nevcairiel]

WVC1 is a codec from Microsoft called VC-1. AVC1 is short for "MPEG-4 Part 10, Advanced Video Coding", also known as H.264, they are completely different codecs.

[qissiril]

Thanks! :-)
Now it's much clear to me :-)

[JohnnyFu]

We are currently evaluating h.264 Part 10 codecs for use with our product. Besides the fact communication with CoreCodec OEM Licensing support was really a dissapointment, I have technical issues with CoreAVC 3.0.1.

I cannot get DXVA to work on our Intel i7 620M plattform. Elecard and Microsoft are both using DVXA in GraphEdit, CoreAVC doesn't.

[Cyber-Mav]

still no release?

[ryrynz]

Nope. The wait continues.

[hajj_3]

It has been 11 months now since v3.0.1 :(

[wcwman18]

Does coreavc make x264 not respond for anyone else or just me? Any way to fix this?

[LigH]

x264 is an encoder. It can only encode what it receives from a video source, usually the AviSynth frameserver. If it doesn't respond, it is probably eternally waiting for input. So the reason must be before x264, not inside. So probably your source video is so corrupt that CoreAVC hung up.

[hajj_3]

]CoreAVC, please can you ask haali to add support for windows 8 in haali media splitter as it doesn't allow us to play .mkv files in WMP. For some reason "haali" is being censored on doom9 which is why i have had to write using the CODE tags yet the code tags aren't even showing as a proper code post.[/CODE]

[Guest]

No censoring, the forum is messed up

[ocyl]

All... just a heads up. Based upon dev and feedback here and the issues with the CoreAVC 3.1 directshow filter (not the SDK) it becoming apparent we need to change the directshow CoreAVC configuration options. We are leaning towards removing both the input/output format sections since the issue now with 420 8-bit modes/420 HiBit modes/444 8-bit modes/444 HiBit modes (and the soon to be added 422 modes for CoreAVC 3.5), is that it's not necessary to allow certain formats to be disabled since the renderer shouldn't accept formats that it doesn't support and the only reason to change the priorities might be to prefer RGB output over YUV, which is a bad idea because our internal conversion will be lower quality than if the renderer handled it.
I don't have a problem with anything said here except the part about preferring RGB output over YUV. Some of us want the filter to deal with it and don't want to leave it to the renderer.

[Cyber-Mav]

*tumbleweed*

[BetaBoy]

Not at all, although we have not indicated it, it has in fact it's been very busy. New customer portal is about to launch and after that its onto CoreAVC v3.5 and i'll start to give everyone a heads up on our CoreAAC Encoder and CoreHEVC decoder work.

On CoreAVC... although I have mentioned it here a few times. We are pretty much all on board here to dual license CoreAVC (Open Source and a Closed Source Commercial license). We are trying to find the right type of OSS license that fits. Stay tuned.

[Andouille]

Not at all, although we have not indicated it, it has in fact it's been very busy. New customer portal is about to launch and after that its onto CoreAVC v3.5 and i'll start to give everyone a heads up on our CoreAAC Encoder and CoreHEVC decoder work.

On CoreAVC... although I have mentioned it here a few times. We are pretty much all on board here to dual license CoreAVC (Open Source and a Closed Source Commercial license). We are trying to find the right type of OSS license that fits. Stay tuned.

:eek:

[pankov]

Beta boy,
any progress on the CoreMVC direct show filter public release?
Are you working with anybody on making a Direct Show 3D player other than the Stereoscopic player?

[TheShadowRunner]

New customer portal is about to launch and after that its onto CoreAVC v3.5
Does that mean CoreAVC 3.1 won't get a release and will be skipped completely? o_O

[Stormbreaker]

Hello,

the CoreAVC support page is down and I can't download the codec anymore.

[BetaBoy]

We have had the portal up and down over the past few days during the migration. We are finalizing things now and are moving it to a new sub-domain that will be on the site and I'll post here later.

[DoctorJ]

I need to download too, when is the support page going back up?

[telefunken]

I am unable to get CoreAVC to work with avisynth. I have the latest version (3.0.1).
Loading this simple script into staxrip it takes forever to load the file and sometimes it will not load at all:

DirectShowSource("G:\Encoding\x264\x264.ts", fps=25)

With FFDShow installed it works, but still quite slow and thats why I wanted to change to CoreAVC. If I run a x264 encoding script the directshowsource filter does not work at all:

(x264.avs, line 2)
x264 [error]: could not open input file `x264.avs'
where x264.avs contains the code above. Again, it works with FFDShow installed. The recording software and other installed programs is using CoreAVC and it works fine.

The source is an MPEG TS H.264 file. I am using Windows 7 x64 (32 bits Avisynth) with SP1.

Any help greatly appreciated.

[nanalondon]

Hello everyone, please i need help on how to implement/modify jmvc reference software(H.264/MVC) to run with flexible macroblock ordering (dispersed type) technique in order to conceal lost packets at the decoder. Any help/recommendation/reference is highly welcomed.
pls assist.
cheers

[elehedren]

I'm still getting a redirect loop trying to access the customer portal. Is there a time-frame on fixing it?

I look forward to the next release.

[hajj_3]

You guys really do take your time with CoreAVC! :(

[Shevek]

I'm still getting a redirect loop trying to access the customer portal. Is there a time-frame on fixing it?

I've been getting this for weeks

Given up trying

[DoctorJ]

I've been getting this for weeks

Given up trying

It has been over a month for me.

[Cyber-Mav]

think this project should officially be announced dead insted of having nothing being mentioned at all.

[ryrynz]

An update for all... we are taking a little more time in devel and going right to CoreAVC 3.1 and adding more features, speed enhancements then planned. On apps that that do not conform to proper SPS handling... we added a work around for 3.1.

This new work might delay adding 4:4:4 profile support (which is mostly done anyway) but based on the feedback we feel the potential delay is worth it.

No, it wasn't, you should have come out with the bug fix build everybody was wanting over a year ago.

[the_weirdo]

I wonder who are still using CoreAVC directshow filter now? The latest release is more than a year old, which is not bug-free, lacks many features and slower compare to other FOSS solutions (LAV Video, for example).

I just wait for them to release the new version of Haali Media Splitter with some bug fixes, but now I guess I have to give up my hope. If only LAV Splitter supports some advanced features of Matroska such as editions, ordered chapters and segment linking then I would ditch HMS for good!