CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[BetaBoy]

We will have Linux / OS X versions..... but they are not planned for 1.3. Also 1.2 is moving along nicely... I will saying more info when it is prudent.

[blubberbirne]

CoreAVC and Core 2 Duo rocks :)

But still waiting for Release 1.2

[Bathrone]

Betaboy with the latest pre-rc1 build 5536 pf vista ultimate, CoreAVC pro (latest version) will crash wmp11 if the user closes the video playback before the end of the file. if the user allows the footage to complete, its ok.

Also, Vista is not thumbnailling avc encoded media, despite the mpeg4-asp type xvid files thumbnailling fine.

[oddball]

BetaBoy. Sorry to hassle you over here too. But as regards my question about offloading H.264 decoding to the GPU in v1.2 and the Non-SSE2 issue. Will you be able to bypass this problem or will your solution rely on the Nvidia API in which case it won't work for us poor Non-SSE2 users?

Thanks.

[devaster]

coreavc maybe would bypass nvidia api ...

[oddball]

I'd rather hear that from BetaBoy before I get my hopes up.

[BetaBoy]

Sorry guys... I cannot comment on an GPU related items at the moment.

[frodeste]

Sorry guys... I cannot comment on an GPU related items at the moment.

I am on the Vista beta, and can report bugs to MS if you guys find them when testing the CoreAVC. Drop me a PM if you need/want.

@BetaBoy: If you can provide me with beta versions of your software, then I will be happy to test this on the Pre-RC1 build I have now.

[Roscoe62]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but what is the deal with the various CoreAVC websites??!!

I'm very interested in purchasing CoreAVC, but the sometimes slow/mostly unresponsive website loadups are seriously making me re-think!

Is it just me, or has it been this bad for months? Seriously, it sends a very unprofessional message.:mad:

[Shinigami-Sama]

think about this for a second rosoe
this is an 86 page thread
if I remember correctly they've changed hosts to bigger faster hosts 3 times already

and its at its worst during updates to the betas and such

if you took the time to read even 5 of the pages in this thread you would know that they are working on the web service; and have mentioned so many times already.

[Roscoe62]

Well first off, with family life, career etc etc, who HAS got time to read through an 86 page thread? I can't speak for you, but I have a life OUTSIDE of my hobbies.

All I want to do is find out why I've been having so many problems trying to get onto their website. Why should I have to read through 86 pages just for that? If I was interested in following the development history of CoreAVC that would be a different story.

You say they're working on their web service? That's good news but it seems to me they've got a LOT more work to do on it.

And before you start slagging me further - customer service 101 for internet business shows that if your customer experiences difficulties on your website (let alone not even being able to open it in the first place) that's going to have a big negative impact your sales. If I can't log onto the site, I can't buy the product - end of story.

Feel free to disagree, but I say this as a potential customer providing feedback.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

but before this turns into a flame war I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.

[Roscoe62]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

Yes, that's true....but which 5 pages?

I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.

I agree. I really wanted to find out a bit more on the product itself before contacting the developers directly. However, I'd guessed the best place to get that information was on the website itself....but of course that's not really accessible right now.

I apologise if my earlier post appeared a bit impatient. I guess I was feeling a bit frustrated with not being able to follow up on the CoreAVC product. It wasn't my intention to stir up trouble.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Nah, its pretty easy to that hear some days, but most of us members will try to help ya out too

but you can use the search function on a thread to try and find instances of 'downtime' and that should help out

[johnm60]

I have been running version 1.1.05 of coreavc since the world cup - primarily for BBC HD via DVBViewer. I have and Athlon x2 3800 on an Asus M2NPV-VM (GeForce 6150 graphics core) and can only get smoothish playback with the sound in sync using DirectShow delinterlacing on Forceware 81.43. All newer versions of Forceware (including the latest 91.43) produce a green and purple display with DirectShow deinterlacing.

I would like to move to newer versions of Forceware as 81.43 has the side-effect of producing inverted video on the lower-half of the display for hardware accelerated MPEG2 streams.

I have looked on the forums and I cannot find any definitive answers on whether the coreavc issue with DirectShow deinterlacing on forceware after 81.43 is an issue with forceware or an issue with 1.1.05 of coreavc. Does anyone know whether the newer betas of coreavc have this problem with DirectShow deinterlacing on the latest Nvidia drivers?

Cheers
John

[Sharktooth]

blame nvidia for the buggy drivers, not coreavc...

[BetaBoy]

I said 5 pages...
its only about 20 posts per page by default and that takes about 45sec-2min to read per page; atleast if you have a decent reading speed.

but before this turns into a flame war I'll give you a touch of advice:
a PM to one of the DEVs would have been more productive.
Shinigami-Sama.... correct and I am here... so PM me.

On CoreAVC.... let’s first put out some info if you were not informed in all the pages here. CoreAVC is an off-shoot for our development for CorePlayer and was not really meant to be a DirectShow product till AFTER the various CorePlayer 1.0 products were launched. But as I stated on the original post that because of early testing that showed we were substantially faster then any other H.264 decoder. We opted to do the release ahead of schedule and we already stated we were not ready from a product perspective as our plans were for September.

Where does that leave us.... ATM we have now begun to release invitations for a 'Technology Demo' for CorePlayer 1.0 utilizing our Core Account/Services that we have worked on for the past few months. This is the beginning of allowing the 'self service' for people that have/will purchased our products. All total which should be in the range of 20-25 products within the next 12 months.

To the bigger point a lot of the issues with outages... We have substantially beefed up our infrastructure and are on the second of three phases to build up our networks along with caching with some major backbone providers. Once completed these issues for all of our sites will be resolved. CoreAVC update issues will be a mute point once we bring in the products online within the core account system. When? Well we have had to make major changes to build system with the new addition of our new Universal Make system we call CoreMAKE ( see; www.coremake.com ).

This is a very exciting time for us at CoreCodec.

[frodeste]

Shinigami-Sama.... correct and I am here... so PM me.

On CoreAVC.... let’s first put out some info if you were not informed in all the pages here. CoreAVC is an off-shoot for our development for CorePlayer and was not really meant to be a DirectShow product till AFTER the various CorePlayer 1.0 products were launched. But as I stated on the original post that because of early testing that showed we were substantially faster then any other H.264 decoder. We opted to do the release ahead of schedule and we already stated we were not ready from a product perspective as our plans were for September.

Where does that leave us.... ATM we have now begun to release invitations for a 'Technology Demo' for CorePlayer 1.0 utilizing our Core Account/Services that we have worked on for the past few months. This is the beginning of allowing the 'self service' for people that have/will purchased our products. All total which should be in the range of 20-25 products within the next 12 months.

To the bigger point a lot of the issues with outages... We have substantially beefed up our infrastructure and are on the second of three phases to build up our networks along with caching with some major backbone providers. Once completed these issues for all of our sites will be resolved. CoreAVC update issues will be a mute point once we bring in the products online within the core account system. When? Well we have had to make major changes to build system with the new addition of our new Universal Make system we call CoreMAKE ( see; www.coremake.com ).

This is a very exciting time for us at CoreCodec.

I wish you the best of luck in the work you do. It is appreciated. :thanks:

[Shinigami-Sama]

thanks for the update betaboy :)
looks like another sweet coreproduct

[LeMoi]

Does "View/Pan&Scan/Scale to 16:9 TV" menu in MPC actually extand picture to 16/9 or is it still not working ?
Still no info ?

[Shinigami-Sama]

it does something
to me it looks kinda like a bit of cropping and resizing but I could be wrong

[Bathrone]

Vista is changing the way GPUs interact with the OS, and you get DX10 which has new features for GP-GPU programming.

Will the Core products support this? Being then Vista only what will you do about this?

[ChronoCross]

Vista is changing the way GPUs interact with the OS, and you get DX10 which has new features for GP-GPU programming.

Will the Core products support this? Being then Vista only what will you do about this?

they have't even released GPU for XP and your worried about vista? Besides I doubt anyone will move to vista within the first year or two that ti comes out. There is no point.

[KoD]

Besides I doubt anyone will move to vista within the first year or two that ti comes out. There is no point.
Oh, there will be. All the fanboys that know nothing and believe that by simply installing Vista they'll see "zomg speed improvements". And those are the most noisy ones on all "enthusiast" and "expert" sites as well as those site's editors. If someone would give me a buck for all the IT related "expert" websites out there... ah I'm dreaming...

[Bathrone]

Pull your head in KoD.

With DX10, long standing GPGPU issues like not easily being able to do integers go away. MS has made the GPGPU programmabing more accessible. Additions to the shader language make general purpose gpu work easier.

If you take floating point performance as a yardstick the gpu is well ahead of the cpu.

[BetaBoy]

I would love to comment on GPU support but cannot atm... Not to get to OT here... but we have been working on Vista support for sometime now with various components of the CorePlayer framework.... this includes our decoders as well as modifying our 'Universal Skins' within CorePlayer to allow Aero Alpha Channel Blending... this alone requires some substantial modifications and is no small task.

[Hans Ohlo]

can you comment on a date for 1.2? ;)

[blubberbirne]

i got infos it will release in the next 2 weeke :)

[ChronoCross]

i got infos it will release in the next 2 weeke :)

Psychic? Would you care to provide evidence?

[Romeo_by]

2 BetaBoy

Do you accept something except PayPal? WU for example? PayPal is not avaliable in my place.

Thank you.

[BetaBoy]

We were going to release 1.2 soon but have opted to add more 'things' and catch some ppl by suprise ;-)

[bob0r]

Be sure to do some x264.exe --interlaced testing :)

[Hans Ohlo]

i would appreciate an information tab on the filter settings, which might give some information about the stream which currently is decoded (like bitrate, number of reference frames, b frames etc.) i would like such a feature very much...

[BetaBoy]

i would appreciate an information tab on the filter settings, which might give some information about the stream which currently is decoded (like bitrate, number of reference frames, b frames etc.) i would like such a feature very much...

Its already in the TODO list.... thx for the feedback!

[madshi]

We were going to release 1.2 soon but have opted to add more 'things' and catch some ppl by suprise ;-)
Let me explain about my personal situation: I'm currently recording quite a lot of HDTV H.264 broadcasting on my computer here. But my computer is too slow for playback. Of course it hurts to have dozens of HDTV movies on my harddisks without being able to see them! So currently I'm thinking about upgrading my PC.

Why am I telling you this? Well, because I think there are probably many people like me, whose PC is too slow for H.264 playback with current H.264 decoders. Now if you wait too long with releasing your GPU accelerated decoder, I think you're going to lose potential customers. Because if people like me are tired of waiting for CoreAVC 1.2 and choose to upgrade our PCs instead, we're not going to need CoreAVC, anymore. Instead the decoders we already own will do the trick with the upgraded computer.

Because of these reasons I really hope you reconsider releasing 1.2 as soon as possible - without adding further stuff. I'd love to pay fees for CoreAVC, if I don't need to upgrade my PC instead. The longer you wait, the more potential customers you're losing. There's a window of opportunity for you right now, which is closing over time, as PCs get faster and faster, and as people like me feel the urge to upgrade our PC to have proper H.264 playback power *today* and not tomorrow...

Thanks for listening... :)

[bob0r]

Rushing software is bad, its done when its done.
Or when BetaBoy gets a second girl, in that case, quick money is required.

[Jay Bee]

Let me explain about my personal situation: I'm currently recording quite a lot of HDTV H.264 broadcasting on my computer here. But my computer is too slow for playback. Of course it hurts to have dozens of HDTV movies on my harddisks without being able to see them! So currently I'm thinking about upgrading my PC.

Why am I telling you this? Well, because I think there are probably many people like me, whose PC is too slow for H.264 playback with current H.264 decoders. Now if you wait too long with releasing your GPU accelerated decoder, I think you're going to lose potential customers. Because if people like me are tired of waiting for CoreAVC 1.2 and choose to upgrade our PCs instead, we're not going to need CoreAVC, anymore. Instead the decoders we already own will do the trick with the upgraded computer.

Because of these reasons I really hope you reconsider releasing 1.2 as soon as possible - without adding further stuff. I'd love to pay fees for CoreAVC, if I don't need to upgrade my PC instead. The longer you wait, the more potential customers you're losing. There's a window of opportunity for you right now, which is closing over time, as PCs get faster and faster, and as people like me feel the urge to upgrade our PC to have proper H.264 playback power *today* and not tomorrow...

Thanks for listening... :)

But which decoder would you use even with an upgraded machine? CoreAVC would probably still be the best. The last time I tested the GPU powered variants they didn't do any deblocking. I haven't seen many posts about this though, so I don't know if this has been fixed for newer cards or newer drivers or newer decoders.

But I see your point. The longer the big boys take to get a decent AVC decoder out, the more potential customers there are for CoreAVC.

[Hans Ohlo]

Its already in the TODO list.... thx for the feedback!
on TODO for 1.2? ;)

[Sirber]

Rushing software is bad, its done when its done.
Or when BetaBoy gets a second girl, in that case, quick money is required.
How about Duke Numen Forever? Started in 1998 and still not out :(

[bob0r]

Duke Nukem is planned fornever :stupid:

[Malow]

Be sure to do some x264.exe --interlaced testing :)

ive made some interlaced content, but, it does not deinterlace on coreavc decoder, (using any of deiterlace methods)

using mainconcept encoder, the interlaced content works fine. (i prefer "directshow deiterlace")

[oddball]

Don't forget folks BetaBoy has not promised GPU acceleration across the board in 1.2 (Or rather he has no comment at present regarding the SSE2 issue with Nvidia drivers). Possibly it's a licensing issue. Who knows!

[BetaBoy]

1.2 is the goal other then that I can't say much.

[oddball]

Why all the smoke and mirrors? Licensing issue?

[toytown]

Better check your website out, as its been hacked.

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[Romario]

The Turks hacked Corecodec site, it seems.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Why all the smoke and mirrors? Licensing issue?

maybe he honestly doesn't know because the coders hit an unexpected delay?

[Hans Ohlo]

yep. but it would be great to get to know some details about coreAVC 1.2, for example maybe a planned roadmap with some vague dates...

please BetaBoy ;)

[Bathrone]

Betaboy I wonder how good the deinterlacing is going to be.

Care to comment on how you might compete with Anchor Bay or Teranex? A recent study showed both Ati and Nvidia performing the HQV benchmark test pretty well.

The core codec quality of the deinterlacing will be especially relevant for 1080i AVC sources.

[foxyshadis]

Why all the hounding for comments and roadmaps? How many companies will publicly announce these kind of things before their PR campaign, and why should Core be any different? (Unless you guys are just hoping you can all bash him if a promised feature gets cut.)