CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC" [Archive] - Page 22

BetaBoy

7th April 2006, 20:13

@betaboy

Do you know if people who bought the CoreAVC DSfilter will get any kind of upgrade path for the official TCPMP release? Any discounts or will we have to plunk down another $XX to get that as well?:D
No since, the DS filter is a totally different products. Technically CoreAVC will be a part of CorePlayer (mobile)... but you will not have the advanced filter properties that is available... mainly because they are not needed for a mobile device.

We have two clear cut avenues to use the codecs we have created.. one is threw the DS framework and the other is with CorePlayer/BetaPlayer. Our non-DS efforts for playback within our players will _always_ be faster then our DS efforts.

Also note that there are even features that are in the current TCPMP that even Haali and picard noted are faster then what even dxva could provide.

Sirber

7th April 2006, 20:34

Thx Siber...
Sirber ;)

BetaBoy

8th April 2006, 00:33

Sirber ;)
/me smashes Toff's 'frenglish' keyboard... sry :stupid:

HookedOnTV

8th April 2006, 00:59

I know it is still premature but... any indications of a prefference between the two camps for gpu acceleration?

Gnerma

8th April 2006, 05:05

BetaBoy isn't saying anything about GPU support yet. I suspect its because they're not all too sure how its going to turn out themselves. Heres to hoping that they'll manage to hammer out support for all SM 3.0 GPUs.

CEC

8th April 2006, 09:13

Do you have a release date of the trial version???? How limited is going to be????

BetaBoy

8th April 2006, 13:53

Do you have a release date of the trial version???? How limited is going to be????
No... and like I said the other day it will be at least a month away. its not a priority atm.

BetaBoy

8th April 2006, 14:02

lcx

8th April 2006, 16:40

audio delay is related to the use of HE (and PS).
I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.

SeeMoreDigital

8th April 2006, 17:28

I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.That's odd!

I'm able to decode 1280x720 AVC video using CoreAVC. And decode 6Ch AAC-HE audio and transcode it to AC3 using FFdshow, with no delay..... Even on my 2.8GHz P4

tomos

8th April 2006, 17:32

I am using the MainConcept/Elecard decoder. It has no audio delay with aacplus muxed videos.
With CoreAVC there is a significant audio delay.

Icx, is it the same prob i have where the audio is always playing around 250ms too early?

MaxL

8th April 2006, 18:30

WHEN ppl without possibility to pay over PayPal will be ABLE to buy CoreAVC decoder. PayPal doesnt accept countries like Easter Europe and 2/3 of other countries worldwide. That really sux.

Why dont u have enabled alternative paying systems like WorldPay or similar?

MaxL

P.S. Sorry if this is not right place to ask this Q.

ChronoCross

8th April 2006, 19:55

The reason that paypal doesn't accept alot of forign accounts and CC's is because that (at my last look at stats) 60% of all purchases made using paypal outside of the US were fraudulent.

I'm sure they will come up with an alternative for international buyers.

soresu

8th April 2006, 20:51

Once purchased, will an updated version be sent to my e-mail automatically once it becomes available? Or will I have to download it from the website?

BetaBoy

8th April 2006, 22:03

Once purchased, will an updated version be sent to my e-mail automatically once it becomes available? Or will I have to download it from the website?
Our 'Core Account' system will be up soon. Once it is live... each purchaser will get an email asking them to log into it for the first time. In there you will be able to enable/disable update notification via email for every CoreCodec product you have purchased... that also includes update notifications via email for our Open Source projects as well.

7zeal

9th April 2006, 09:48

Eretria-chan

9th April 2006, 11:30

When the core account system is online, hopefully there should be alternate payment methods available. Be a little more patient and you'll see a solution will show...

7zeal

9th April 2006, 11:55

cool. i doubt it, but .. cool :P

BetaBoy

9th April 2006, 11:59

So are you going to change paypal for some other exchange site? I live in Romania and it's not stated there.. and I really want to buy the new coreavc. You'd better hurry, there are lots of customers in unsupported countries too. :) You don't want to lose them, do you?
Of coarse we dont... we will have a more universal payment system in place and some additional payment options very soon. It will not be at first launch of the account system but soon afterwards.

JoeBG

9th April 2006, 16:41

@ Beta Boy

Is it allowed to make a download package with the old and free version 00004 of CoreAVC?

BetaBoy

9th April 2006, 17:07

@ Beta Boy

Is it allowed to make a download package with the old and free version 00004 of CoreAVC?
No, as a matter of fact I have sent 6 take down notices over the past few days.

7zeal

9th April 2006, 17:57

I would like to become a beta tester for CoreAVC.
If you consider it, please let me know. Btw I can do programming too in many languages, but .. just tell me how I could help. :sly:

bob0r

10th April 2006, 14:20

No, as a matter of fact I have sent 6 take down notices over the past few days.

I want one too :scared:

BetaBoy

10th April 2006, 15:45

I want one too :scared:
Like I told Jarod... we are not here to bust balls... I just need to state that we never distro'd 0.04 with 'any' license and as we are the copyright holders, that others should not state what 'we' actually did or what 'they' can do without the right to do so.

well... except for those .NL users ;-)

BetaBoy

10th April 2006, 15:50

On a devel note... Haali noted some minor changes for the next release and when Toff gets back today we will work on the new installer that merges Haali's splitter with the installer.

On a side note... Would everyone want our new CoreAAC v2.0 packaged with CoreAVC? . . and before ppl ask... the price would remain the same.

maxleung

10th April 2006, 15:58

I am finally allowed to post! Arrrghhh to the Doom9 forum for giving us CoreAVC users a 5 day delay!

Anyways, yes, I would love to see CoreAAC 2 bundled - I've been having a hell of a time finding a place to download a RECENT version of CoreAAC.

Also, what version of the Core Player should I be using? Core Media Player? The Core Media Player? The Core Player? Core Player? There are so many permutations of the name I have no idea which one would work with CoreAVC 1.0.

I am using Windows by the way...

maxleung

10th April 2006, 16:02

Another question, this time about benchmarking:

Is there a tool, similare to TimeCodec.exe, that will allow me to tell if my system is dropping frames because my CPU isn't powerful enough to decode in real time?

Timecodec.exe, while a nice idea, is useless at telling you if the decoding framerate dips below the source video framerate.

For example, Timecodec.exe tells me that the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer plays back at 34 frames per second. However, when I play it back in realtime, I can see frame drops here and there - obviously in some spots my PC cannot keep up. I would like to know if there is a tool out there that can tell me what the MINIMUM framerate achieved was?

Thanks!

ChronoCross

10th April 2006, 16:53

i would love to have coreaac bundled. as long as it's fully featured and not different between basic pro and enterprise. I'm still using your old beta's of it and would appreciate greatly a new version =D . Since I am very satisfied with my purchase of pro coreavc and plan on upgrading to enterprise version in the future.

niknik

10th April 2006, 17:29

yes indeed, CoreAAC and AVC pack! :)

Sirber

10th April 2006, 17:38

Does CoreAAC v2 decode AAC HE+PS?

Schrade

10th April 2006, 20:56

Is the graphic on the CoreAVC website a condom with a face, ears and arms on it?

http://coreavc.corecodec.org/images/mlogo.gif (http://www.coreavc.com/)

sillKotscha

10th April 2006, 21:01

muuuaaaaahhhahahaaa,

yes, it looks like :D

CiTay

10th April 2006, 21:04

Is the graphic on the CoreAVC website a condom with a face, ears and arms on it?

Funny, yesterday it had a different symbol than that "copy controlled" one. But i also noticed the condom-shape.

SeeMoreDigital

10th April 2006, 21:30

On a side note... Would everyone want our new CoreAAC v2.0 packaged with CoreAVC?Sounds like an excellent plan ;)

dk75

10th April 2006, 22:37

Is there a tool, similare to TimeCodec.exe, that will allow me to tell if my system is dropping frames because my CPU isn't powerful enough to decode in real time?

Timecodec.exe, while a nice idea, is useless at telling you if the decoding framerate dips below the source video framerate.

For example, Timecodec.exe tells me that the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer plays back at 34 frames per second. However, when I play it back in realtime, I can see frame drops here and there - obviously in some spots my PC cannot keep up. I would like to know if there is a tool out there that can tell me what the MINIMUM framerate achieved was?

Maybe you'll try to use actual renderer in it? (see "dfps" at picture below)

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/357/timecodec2hk.jpg

maxleung

11th April 2006, 01:37

dk75, I did that - the dfps of 34 was with VMR9. It does NOT tell me that dropped frames would result, like it did when I watched it in a real directshow player.

videomixer9

11th April 2006, 12:30

VMR9 is too much depended on the player, also I think it'll have less cpu usage with smaller image. And if you try VMR9 in timeCodec and then use MPC renderless e.g. to play the video it's only natural that it varies, MPC VMR9 renderless is dependant on the players additional processing too, especially software scalers etc.

dk75

11th April 2006, 15:03

dk75, I did that - the dfps of 34 was with VMR9. It does NOT tell me that dropped frames would result, like it did when I watched it in a real directshow player.
Then use ZoomPlayer and during playback hit "I" - you will see actual FPS.

maxleung

11th April 2006, 16:09

dk75, so what you are saying is there is no way to determine if you get framedrops or drop below source framerate without actually monitoring the fps manually? Is that "actual FPS" an average or instantaneous?

IF the above is an average, what you propose is useless for the Marie Antoinette 1080p trailer on my rig - it takes the VMR9 renderer tens of seconds to settle the framerate, and by that time the critical high-bitrate section at the beginning has just been played - and then the framerate holds steady even when one or two frames gets dropped because it is an AVERAGE framerate, not an instantaneous one. Make sense?

So then there is no automated way of benchmarking video performance including minimum framerate achieved?

videomixer9, that's okay - I'm merely concerned with raw codec performance, not whole playback chain performance.

This is like those quick-and-dirty videogame benchmarks - "Oh look, Doom3 averages 60 frames per second on this rig!" - ignoring the fact that key scenes in the game dip below 10 frames per second! Playability? Who cares? :p

EDIT: Oops, removed a sentence that didn't make sense.

CEC

11th April 2006, 21:27

Is coreaac only going to be free???

ChronoCross

11th April 2006, 22:11

Is coreaac only going to be free???

Hopefully not. It should be paid and come with any purchase of the video decoder.

starlabs

11th April 2006, 22:19

I wouldn't mind CoreAAC being included, but please make sure it's an optional install as with Haali...

BTW it's a great piece of software you guys have. Very fair pricing. Thumbs up! :)

BetaBoy

11th April 2006, 23:21

CoreAAC v2.0 would be available for CoreAVC users who already paid for any version. It would also be in our 'Core Media!' playback bundle... and yes would be set as an optional install.

Hans Ohlo

12th April 2006, 07:46

dk75, so what you are saying is there is no way to determine if you get framedrops or drop below source framerate without actually monitoring the fps manually? Is that "actual FPS" an average or instantaneous?if you use media player classic (mpc) you can enable a statistic display in the view menu. there you can see current bitrate, average bitrate, dropped frames (accumulated), average fps and so on. maybe this is what you are looking for...

maxleung

12th April 2006, 16:14

Thanks Hans! I'll give that a shot!

MrWizard

12th April 2006, 18:59

Just as an FYI, you may have a slight problem with your current download system. In my registration email, it said "In the mean time, you should keep a copy of this file somewhere safe, as downloads are automatically deleted after 7 days." Just tried it again and it still works. Will likely be fixed with your new accounting system, yes? So, it may not matter to you, but I thought I'd mention it.

maxleung

12th April 2006, 19:14

This is tougher than I thought - I could not get Zoomplayer or MPC to report any dropped frames, even if I do something insane like run Cinema Craft Encoder at the same time (at a higher priority too!). It looks like the video will slow down and the audio will stutter - hence, no dropped frames!

So, your suggestion DK75, of using the Information dialog box in Zoomplayer is the best bet - it reports the frame rate that is updated quite frequently and isn't a longrunning average. Dips to 19 fps on this P4 3.0 GHz PC with a crappy ATI card in it.

Thanks dk75.

BetaBoy

12th April 2006, 19:45