CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[ChronoCross]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay(registered to paypal!!)!!.It is stupid why with my postepay I buy on ebay!!!Excuse me,but now I will attend a cracked version on emule!!!

lol good job admitting your going to use pirated software. Now all corecodec has to do is DMCA doom9 for your user information and ip. Then DMCA your email address. Then DMCA your ISP.

Why are you people so stupid? I've seen 5 different people say their going to use a pirated version.

How about instead of being retarded and using postepay. Just use PAYPAL. Since this is the only form of payment. Just because postepay is registered to paypal doesn't mean it is automatically useable.

[Mark SS]

Can someone confirm I'm not going nuts here? :)

Using DVBViewer with CoreAVC to watch BBCHD. With overlay the image is too dark although adjustments with Nvidia control panel will compensate but only if I open the control panel each time (don't have to change it again, just open the panel, odd!). With VMR9 colour/brightness is ok but DirectX de-interlacing doesn't appear to be working.

That about the size of it at the moment?

[_xxl]

Do not use a pirated version,switch to open source software!

[KoD]

I think nvidia doesn't really care about video playback but only game performance. Try switching to another driver version, maybe to a 8x.xx one.

[AVmaniac]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay(registered to paypal!!)!!.It is stupid why with my postepay I buy on ebay!!!Excuse me,but now I will attend a cracked version on emule!!!

what's your problem .. get a payPal account and buy the software!

:angry:

It worked fine for me and for the rest of the grateful core-customers as well

[bwlonsdale]

I bought the software while it was 1.1 for my Athlon 64-3200 (single core).

It was only after I bought it did I discover the playback issue with media center edition and media player - i.e. it locked up and had to do an end task to get out of it.

So...I wait for an update as Beta Boy said that it would be addressed in the next release.

9 months later a new version comes out - I get the e-mail, download and install it. Log onto Media PC, download and install and get told it's already activated.

Uninstall from main PC where I downloaded it onto and installed. Try installing again on Media PC - same shi* - already activated.

Come to Doom-9 and read the only thing that's taken them 9 months is introduce activation which is broken.

Raise trouble ticket with Core on their swanky new website (I can only wait for the day I need to use that calculator on there). First email response I get asks me for my order number!! Why they can't look it up on their swanky new website bolloc*s is beyond me, but that's the price for staying legal I suppose. So, I send them my order ID and two days later no response.

I try again today to download the installer from the website - ooh, now I get a message telling me it's going to spyware me up and send some details off to their activation server. Then still same message, I'm already activated have a nice day, sod off.

Then notice banner at top of swanky new website saying their database has lost all the trouble tickets and need to re-enter the details of problem. Seriously, final straw with this.

The problem is these people don't give a rat's ass for customer service. Beta Boy, if you're reading this, your company exemplifies stupidity. There'll be a Dilbert made out of your company in the future.

Please do me one last favour before I go off and forget your company exists - rename the installer file would you?

From "coreavc_professional_edition.exe" to "coreavc_amateur_cobblers_we've_got_your_cash_anyway_hahahahaha.exe"

[ChronoCross]

mm another idiot to add to the pile.

[bwlonsdale]

That's right, ChronoCross - I agree 100% - I am a complete idiot for buying into the idea of Core products.

[ChronoCross]

actually an idiot for that entire paragraph of crap you wrote.

For one you bought a single license. not a volume license to install it on as many PC's as you like. It's obvious that the thing worked on your main PC and then failed on your media center PC. Why do you think that is? Already Activated because you ALREADY INSTALLED IT!!!!

That is why your post is idiotic because you think you should be able to install it on 10000000 PC's for $20. Every company on the planet has the same single user license idea. Core is no different.

[Romario]

I will wait when CoreAVC become freeware product, somewhere in second half of 2007.

Until then, ffdshow is only choice for me.

[Manao]

ChronoCross : 9 months later a new version comes out - I get the e-mail, download and install it. Log onto Media PC, download and install and get told it's already activated.

Uninstall from main PC where I downloaded it onto and installed. Try installing again on Media PC - same shi* - already activated.Read the post of the others, before insulting them.

[Sirber]

I uninstalled it and gonna forget all about it.

[ChronoCross]

ChronoCross : Read the post of the others, before insulting them.

Already did. But it's activated already. The Activation isn't mobile. It's supposed to be bound to a single machine. Install, Uninstall Install Uninstall. to think that you can make that transference as often as you like is a tad ridiculous. That would be like saying "This machine is off right now so I can use XP on this other machine because I'm not using it right now but may do so at a later date.

It would be a different situation if he downloaded it to his machine and it didn't work in the first place. But it did work and was activated and bound to the machine. So he should have to follow the procedure for getting a new activation. Else the activation would be pointless.

[bwlonsdale]

You kind of missed the point - I did follow the process and raised a trouble ticket - and now when I try to find out why I've had no more response for two days, there's a message up saying they lost all the trouble tickets. It's ridiculous - this isn't support, it's a farce.

No one was warned there was activation which is why I downloaded and installed it onto my main PC - there's still no suggestion on the new installer that it's tied to one PC. Nada...zip...nothing. Which is exactly what Core are saying on the activation issue. Oh, hang on - they said they were forced to pis* people off by the "IP Rights Holders".

It should have been called "Carry On Core" - with Beta Boy playing Kenneth Williams' part.

[ChronoCross]

To think that the core account system would have no glitches is just sad. There is no way to work out all the bugs till something is released to the public.

I think you missed the point of activation. It actually saves you money. It's the reason they can offer free upgrades. But no one bothered to pay attention to that point.

Granted the first installer lacked mention of the activation but a majority of the people who bought core read doom9....and it was mentioned several times here.

The problems weren't widespread either. Sure it happened to a few people and they worked the bugs out with them but for some people it went smoothly. 17 seconds is how long it took me to create an account, login, download, and install the file. But sadly no one else has posted what a great experience it was. People only post in this thread when they have to whine about something they don't like. This is unfair to a company that has actually produced a quality product. ffdshow sure as hell can't play most of the HD files I have and this product doesn't crash either like some others. It can only get better.

So how about we find some positive things to say. How about the fact that they fixed alot of bugs, and those that didn't have already been reported, samples achieved and work begun on another round of patches to cover every single different type of file and way of doing things.

People generally lack the understanding as to how difficult it is to prepare for every single OS, The differences between them and to make sure things are compatible. Even major companies have a hard time keeping up. Just think how small Core is right now, it takes a rather substantial amount of time to work out these issues, communicate with clients, communicate with devs, etc.

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

[Jay Bee]

actually an idiot for that entire paragraph of crap you wrote.

For one you bought a single license. not a volume license to install it on as many PC's as you like. It's obvious that the thing worked on your main PC and then failed on your media center PC. Why do you think that is? Already Activated because you ALREADY INSTALLED IT!!!!

That is why your post is idiotic because you think you should be able to install it on 10000000 PC's for $20. Every company on the planet has the same single user license idea. Core is no different.

This post is a load of bollocks. Software companies can offer licences in any way they see fit. For a video decoder I think most people would agree that more than one machine per user would be reasonable. Or at least a way to transfer from one machine to another.

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

Most of the people complaining are paying customers so what's your point?

[ChronoCross]

This post is a load of bollocks. Software companies can offer licences in any way they see fit. For a video decoder I think most people would agree that more than one machine per user would be reasonable. Or at least a way to transfer from one machine to another.


hmm already there. Just open a ticket, provide a valid reason, and bam, new license. As for the what you think is reasonable may not be what the patent holder sees as reasonable.


Most of the people complaining are paying customers so what's your point?

Keyword being most. Even if you are a paying customer going onto a forum and bitching about it rather than emailing the company and opening a support ticket is childish and accomplishes nothing other than making the company look bad all because a select few are having problems.

I don't think buying the software gives you unlimited rights to do whatever you want with it.

[fenomeno83]

what's your problem .. get a payPal account and buy the software!

:angry:

It worked fine for me and for the rest of the grateful core-customers as well

I have a paypal account(in whitch my postepay is registered)but I can't pay with it!!!

[3ngel]

This is a farce. On a forum which stands for free media, their own members introduce drm. Can this thread please be closed.

Apart from all the problems, and ANTI-DRM posts i agreed in toto, i too think this is SIMPLY RIDICULOUS.

On doom9.org web home we see such ironics comments about HD-Video DRM, music DRM, anything DRM with a STRONG and CLEAR position ANTI-DRM, so what we got here?

A 1200 posts thread on a product that is TOTALLY DRM?

We are joking here?

CoreAVC is now as identical as an adobe product, or a Microsoft product. So we are going to open threads on those products?

Why CoreAVC don't f**cks off on their own support forum, and discute all their DRM s*its, leaving us users to discuss software that are RESPECTFUL of us users?

I repeat. Why this Support thread on a DRM Product is still not closed?

[ChronoCross]

because product activation is not DRM.

DRM is restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.

You purchased a single machine license and no matter what you say you shouldn't be able to freely move it to wherever you like.

This is not a ANTI-DRM forum either. You miss the point of the arguement. IT's ANTI-Over Restrictive DRM. The whole point of this forum is to discuss the ways that DRM should be implemented in order to allow playback on the most number of devices while still protecting the companies IP. To completely rid the world of DRM is basically saying it's okay to pirate.

If someone would develop a decent DRM scheme then we wouldn't have all this ANTI-DRM crap.

[bwlonsdale]

To think that the core account system would have no glitches is just sad. There is no way to work out all the bugs till something is released to the public.

Are you having a laugh?? What do you think QA stands for? Why no timed betas that expired or had to be activated prior to the release to the public - at least that would have given them time to iron out any kinks in their website/activation process? They had a system working just fine and dandy with v1.1 - you just don't get it. Why add activation during a POINT release? Yes, they fixed bugs - they have a responsibility and duty to fix bugs. You don't pay for software thinking you're buying the bugs and any hassle that goes with it. To add activation at the same time as you're rolling out new software.....well, they've got some big balls on them I'll give them that.

I think you missed the point of activation. It actually saves you money. It's the reason they can offer free upgrades. But no one bothered to pay attention to that point.

The upgrades aren't free - I paid for them to fix bugs that might come up in the software when I paid for 1.1 and I damn well expect they'll fix them.

Granted the first installer lacked mention of the activation but a majority of the people who bought core read doom9....and it was mentioned several times here.

I don't camp out on Doom9 waiting with baited breath to see what Beta Boy is going post next. After reading a large part of this post the other night (after I'd already installed it and was subsequently damned) - there was NO mention of it tying the license to ONE PC prior to the software release. Prove me wrong and link to the post that states it does that - the post before 1.2 was released to the public, NOT AFTER.

I got an email from Core advising of the upgrade - I log in to their website, sign up for an account and download the software and install it - there was ZERO mention of activation, let alone it being tied to ONE PC. I don't expect to have to come to Doom 9, or their forums, or their website or anywhere else to have to find out it does that. It should have been in the e-mail they sent OR it should be in the installer notice, none of which happened.

The problems weren't widespread either. Sure it happened to a few people and they worked the bugs out with them but for some people it went smoothly. 17 seconds is how long it took me to create an account, login, download, and install the file. But sadly no one else has posted what a great experience it was. People only post in this thread when they have to whine about something they don't like. This is unfair to a company that has actually produced a quality product. ffdshow sure as hell can't play most of the HD files I have and this product doesn't crash either like some others. It can only get better.

Just reading this forum and Beta Boy's own comments should make you realise that the launch was a disaster for them. For their new system and most of all for their reputation. Being a small company does NOT make them immune from criticism - and they deserve every bit of it they're getting right now.

So how about we find some positive things to say. How about the fact that they fixed alot of bugs, and those that didn't have already been reported, samples achieved and work begun on another round of patches to cover every single different type of file and way of doing things.

Something positive?............I'm struggling.

People generally lack the understanding as to how difficult it is to prepare for every single OS, The differences between them and to make sure things are compatible. Even major companies have a hard time keeping up. Just think how small Core is right now, it takes a rather substantial amount of time to work out these issues, communicate with clients, communicate with devs, etc.

Are the activation issues to do with the OS it's being installed on? Who said that? Beta Boy....Core? Are they blaming Microsoft now?

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

How dare you claim Doom 9 members are spoiled - it's a community far larger than Core. Many people on here give their good time and effort to create and support projects which are far more deserving than a $20 codec.

[3ngel]

DRM is restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.
That's exactly the point.
If i switch computer (broken or update) and have STILL 1 machine Why i have to download again, or send informations over the line?
That's a restricting the usage, and the FREEDOM OF USAGE that is the same.
Sorry but your arguing is a lost war.
And because there is a no decent DRM scheme, at the moment i still think they have to go away from this forum, 'cause at this moment they are going against this forum rule that is against

restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.

Do you think all the complaints in past posts are not restricting enough the usage of the product?


PS:
Oh, and just a silly and funny consideration of mine. GOD is a DAMNED 20$ CODEC not an Operating System or 2000$ software. Dont' you feel ridiculous to put up all this paranoid DRM thougts for a CODEC? It makes me laugh thinking about it :)

[KoD]

I wonder if anyone is allowed to mention Vista then... our new DRM overlord.

[3ngel]

PPS:
Oh i almost forgot...
This is the best prank in the history of internet.
A software that builds up from scratch on the shoulders of users, and then it turns totally against them :D

[sjchmura]

The only DRM scheme I like is the XBOX Live model - it really is fair, prevents piracy on the 360 and works

1. You own the right to use it - anywhere anytime.
2. You can login, download you TV show and as long as you are logged in it works - same for games
3. If your HD blows up - who cares - download again.
4. 2 copies are allowed

So while not perfect, it lets the user have the license. The idea that my MCE machine and my Laptop need 2 licenses when I will never use them at the same time is crazy. CoreCodec sounds great. But come on - MCE + your laptop is not asking for too much.

ANyway it is irrelevant really. This will piss off those of us who buy software and music and someone will crack it in 1 day to be followed by 100 strings of cracks and re-releases.

[Sirber]

Steam is really cool too.

1. I can always redownload and use what I buy.
2. I can use on multiple computers, while I'm logged with my account.
3. I can burn the games (backup).
4. I can have fun ;)

[3ngel]

I wonder, why CoreAVC acted so stupid?
StarForce3 has been unprotected, how much time do you think it will take to uprotect yours?
In this way you have accomplished those things:
1) You have lost ALL THE RESPECTS this forum users had for you
2) You have accomplished nothing 'cause your so fatigued DRM will be unprotected

You could do a GREAT figure, just putting it at payment.
I pay, i download, dot. End.
You were almost obliged to do this, to the respect for us forum members that helped to develop your product.
No one would have complained. What is right is right.
But at the moment, you're full of laugh from head to feet in any direction.
And what's worse you try to show you don't notice :)

(And the real problem is that this thread is still opened)

[Inventive Software]

Why add activation during a POINT release?
Please ask Microsoft the same question and see if you get the same response as CoreCodec (if they reply), as that's basically what they did with SP2, introducing Genuine Advantage. I don't remember this fuss with Adobe introducing activation (which I totally agree with Chronocross ISN'T DRM!!!! Properly research DRM and you'll be proved right!) in their products, so why the fuss for a codec that costs at most $20 and plays back H.264 faster than any publically available solution? Activation is designed to tie a product to a system. You don't complain when Microsoft or Adobe or another company does it, but CoreCodec and all the barrels start pointing!!!!!

I log in to their website, sign up for an account and download the software and install it
Did you read the EULA all the way through it, or just click "I accept" and rush through like most people? IT PAYS TO READ THESE THINGS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AS THEY CONTAIN ALL THE LICENSE INFORMATION YOU NEED!!!!!

@3ngel: :goodpost: re prank / backlash.

[ChronoCross]

The Open Source Generation is really sad. Most of you think that everything should be free. I'm sure most of you dont realize that the reason xvid cannot sell their codec or even create official builds is because of patents. It's the same reason there are no official x264 builds.

CoreAVC 1.0 cost you $20.
Without Activation 1.2 would cost you another $20.


Because of activation and the restrictions put in place they can provide us the updates for free without having to pay the distribution license again.


That's exactly the point.
If i switch computer (broken or update) and have STILL 1 machine Why i have to download again, or send informations over the line?
That's a restricting the usage, and the FREEDOM OF USAGE that is the same.
Sorry but your arguing is a lost war.
And because there is a no decent DRM scheme, at the moment i still think they have to go away from this forum, 'cause at this moment they are going against this forum rule that is against


Because you paid for it does not mean you can freely move it to any machine any time. It's only supposed to be used ona single machine. What would stop people from distributing the file? Why do you think Core lost so much money in the last release. It's the complete ANTI-DRM movement that allows piracy to continue.

Although there is no perfect DRM yet Core's alternative is the best available option for them to continue providing free updates. To say that they shouldn't put in activation is like telling them to fuck the customer even more and to just stop making updates.

Where in the hell did you find this no DRM rule? I'd be interested to see it as I haven't seen it in the forul rules page. the ANTI-DRM is an OPINION not a RULE.

http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm


How dare you claim Doom 9 members are spoiled - it's a community far larger than Core. Many people on here give their good time and effort to create and support projects which are far more deserving than a $20 codec.


Then stop buying Cores software. If you don't like what they are doing then bitch to one of your more deserving products to become as fast. Additionally a Majority of doom9's USERS are spoiled. There is a big separation between users and DEVELOPERS (you guys know who you are and whom I respect for their work).


Are the activation issues to do with the OS it's being installed on? Who said that? Beta Boy....Core? Are they blaming Microsoft now?


There was a problem with vista. Unfortunately this OS isn't even out in full version. BTW you need to stop talking about your activation issues because you have none. You just lack the ability to understand a single-user license.


Are you having a laugh?? What do you think QA stands for?


hmm did you miss the part where only a select number of users were having issues? It was a bug that creeped up once more than 10 or so users logged on. Do you think they have a QA team of like 500? How are they supposed to test every single person. You'd think that they would quit after they tested it a few times. Oh well you';ve probably never developed software before so you don't know anything about "Random Features".

Perhaps I'm the only one that had a good quick experience with CoreAVC and it's activation, I doubt it however as I'm sure the number of happy people to the number of disappointed people is 99% in favor of happy people.

[Episode]

This is getting way off-topic now, maybe you guys should continue this discussion on another thread and save this one for people who are really trying to get some customer support from BetaBoy.

@ChronoCross, you should also respect rule #4 and try not to insult our forum members. I've seen you doing so several times on this thread alone. Insults and profanity just don't belong on this forum.

[3ngel]

@ChronoCross
Unfortunately you're totally mind burned, if you think that after i PAY for a software, and my computer is damaged, i have to redownload to put it on another machine OF MINE, that SUBSTITUTES the old machine. I'm still using one machine.

I pay for 1 machine not for

Themachineinstalledatthe13.45on21november2006whichhadinstalled5programswith4windowsopenedwith20gigshardrivespaceinphaseofdefragmentingbutalittlelowoncpucausetherewasaprobleminthememorymodulethatwaslittleoverheated

You understand? I dont' think so.
You have read my last post? I dont' think so.
You could understand my last post? I dont' think so.

It's useless to reply to you.

[Inventive Software]

@Bond: recommend a split for CoreCodec rants.

[ChronoCross]

@ChronoCross
Unfortunately you're totally mind burned, if you think that after i PAY for a software, and my computer is damaged, i have to redownload to put it on another machine OF MINE, that SUBSTITUTES the old machine. I'm still using one machine.

I pay for 1 machine not for

Themachineinstalledatthe13.45on21november2006whichhadinstalled5programswith4windowsopenedwith20gigshardrivespaceinphaseofdefragmentingbutalittlelowoncpucausetherewasaprobleminthememorymodulethatwaslittleoverheated

You understand? I dont' think so.
You have read my last post? I dont' think so.
You could understand my last post? I dont' think so.

It's useless to reply to you.

The problem is I did read it and it's not very bright. They never said you cannot move it to another machine. All you have to do is open a support ticket. You can move it while their activation prevents pirating.

It's not like it's permanently locked into the machine for all time.

[3ngel]

All you have to do is open a support ticket
So, if i want to reinstall 20times on 20 different machines a day ('cause all 20 are broken), i have to show all my movements to them anytime?
Dont' be ridiculous. Where is the privacy? Where is my liberty of use?

[ChronoCross]

So, if i want to reinstall 20times on 20 different machines a day ('cause all 20 are broken), i have to show all my movements to them anytime?
Dont' be ridiculous. Where is the privacy? Where is my liberty of use?

now you've just proven how ridiculous an idea your view on freedom is. Trying to prove a point with an unrealistic situation is unbelieveable.

you have no privacy. They already have all the information they will ask of you anyway. All you have to do is tell them why you want to reinstall it. Seems reasonable to any sane person.

[3ngel]

All you have to do is tell them why you want to reinstall it.
AHAHAHA you're totally f***ed up :D
Byeeeeee

[ChronoCross]

AHAHAHA you're totally f***ed up :D
Byeeeeee

sad sentence for a sad paranoid little child.

[Cryptum]

Seems reasonable to any sane person

Very very reasonable yes ...

Da Cryptum

[G_M_C]

I will wait when CoreAVC become freeware product, somewhere in second half of 2007.

Until then, ffdshow is only choice for me.

The wisest comment in the last 20 or so posts. FFDSHOW is a good enough alternative for now, untill CoreAVC turns Open source.

And to ChronoCross: You seem to be personally affected by all peopel who are against this activation sceme. If you take a few breaths you will realize that most people here actually don't seem to mind paying for the software, in fact most of them have payed allready. It's the copy-protection-management-sceme (aka the DRM) that everybody is all irritated about, not the fact that there is a protection sceme (aka its only about THIS way of DRM).

If I buy software, then it is, AND WILL ALLWAYS BE my buisness where i install it and on wich system. On the same idea, it will allways be my buisness when i want to transfer the software to another machine (mind you transfer, so not installing it on a 2nd machine as you are on about, since i UNinstall it from the first machine). Since that is my legal right, i do not have to ask permission to some kind of CoreAVC-police, trying to get info on my machine, information wich Core has no legal right to. Actually i think this software-protection-sceme might not even be legal, because of the informationgathering etc.

Anyway; I think CC will lose a lot of customers this way. But if thats their buisness-model .... Another company will take over without these issues, because they realize that having customer-satisfaction is about 90% of making a sucessful profitable buissness.

[ChronoCross]

Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?

[Sirber]

Digital Rights Management - Technologies to give content providers control over redistribution and access to material.
Like it or not, Activation = DRM

[oddball]

"Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?"

I respect a company that sells an honest product at an honest price. I could have gone and grabbed the cracked version if I wanted to which is bound to appear sooner or later. However I believe that if something is worth buying then I will pay for it.

Anyhow. I have now escalated my PayPal dispute to an actual claim. It has been 7 days since I paid for this 'vaporware'. Rarely have I had to deal with such incompetence from a seller/company.

I have lost all interest in this 'product'. I just want my refund and nothing more to do with it.

Take this as a warning to anyone who thinks companies have a right in 'protecting' their 'intellectual property' with these crackpot activation schemes and DRM viruses. All it leads to in the end is extra hardship on the legitimate customer. Anyone with the smarts probably can get an unrestricted version for free anyhow. It's not like it's made out of gold bullion or anything. It's just a bloody codec for Pete's sake!

I'm sorry but I've had enough of this BS!

[G_M_C]

Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?

That is not my buissness, and ok lets not call it DRM, lets call it CC's Protection System for all i care.

I, and most others, accept the fact that they have to protect their interests somehow, but the way it is implemented now causes too much problems.

It not only causes problems for the users, but for CC too; Their customer support is completely overrun and cannot cope, and they cant sell anything of their webstite while shipping updates because this protection-sceme causes a massive amount of work for them.

So it is clear that this system does not work. I dont invent the copy-protection scemes, thats something they have to do themselves. But to me it is clear, in this form its completely faulty.

[oddball]

And to ChronoCross: You seem to be personally affected by all peopel who are against this activation sceme. If you take a few breaths you will realize that most people here actually don't seem to mind paying for the software, in fact most of them have payed allready. It's the copy-protection-management-sceme (aka the DRM) that everybody is all irritated about, not the fact that there is a protection sceme (aka its only about THIS way of DRM).


If I had actually received the software I had paid for I might well have bitten my tongue about the activation thing. But they cannot even supply me with the actual goods!

[ChronoCross]

Like it or not, Activation = DRM

mmm did you notice the wording of it......guess not.

[Sirber]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2049/coreavclj0.png

New installer

[3ngel]

and ok lets not call it DRM
No, we CALL IT DRM by its name because

as already said from WikiPedia

Digital Rights Management - Technologies to give content providers control over redistribution and access to material.

Activation gives control over redistribution. Activation is DRM.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2049/coreavclj0.png

DITTO

[clsid]

CoreAVC 1.0 cost you $20.
Without Activation 1.2 would cost you another $20.
BULLSHIT. Are we making up facts now? :mad:

The ONLY reason CoreCodec added Internet based activation is to prevent piracy. It has NOTHING to do with MPEG licensing. They don't have to pay extra licensing costs for upgrades.
Licensing only costs $0.20 per unit. No licensing costs have to be paid for the first 100,000 units that are sold in each year!!!!!! SOURCE (http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_03-11-17_avc.html)


An issue with activation is that whenever CoreCodec goes out of business or if their servers blow up, then you can no longer (re-)install their product. The same issue exist with DRM (so in that sense they are similar). There already have been known cases of online stores where people could buy DRM protected music, stores that now no longer exist, rendering all of the legally bought music from those stores totally unusable.

[ChronoCross]

MM quoting wikipedia. good thing this isn't a place of higher learning or you would have gotten an F. That definition is misleading as to what DRM really is. The activation is missing the thing that makes DRM DRM. Do some research and I'm sure you'll figure it out someday.

You still didn't answer my question.......how are they supposed to protect their product?

[3ngel]

If we all would know that the only interest of CoreCodec would be to protect their interest we all FOR SURE would not have been partecipating to its development.
And if it's the case, i'm waiting for nth time that this thread would be closed as soon as. Its a shame for all doom9.