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Foreigner999
20th January 2006, 23:11
I got a crash of either tcpmp or it's avc/ffmpeg plugin (internal not the DS version).
It was on a customers computer when I was running a test to see what kinda video the old p3 1ghz could handle. It was a trailer from quicktimes site called x-men_3-pre_teaser_h480p.hdmov at 480p and was downloaded to a flash drive and played from there (tcpmp also). It's extension was an hdmov and was downloaded using quicktime alternative. Where should i send the crash.txt?
Computer specs: Windows ME 128MB Ram Internal Intel Video Driver.
P.S. The video ran fine after the first crash and benchmarked at 167% using standard playback with audio.
Foreigner999
20th January 2006, 23:16
I should have been more specific... but I also am not going to spell it all out at once... CoreAVC will be offered for windows on CoreAVC.com, be featured in other DS based media players... and as we will expand outwards we have larger goals in mind.
Some of those 'goals' is that CoreAVC will also be featured in TCPMP and in as many as 40 million devices by the end of 2006 alone ;-)
:D Did you manage to get a mobile phone provider contract?
sillKotscha
20th January 2006, 23:18
Some of those 'goals' is that CoreAVC will also be featured in TCPMP and in as many as 40 million devices by the end of 2006 alone ;-)
nice B-Plan :)
did you spoke to one of those guys (http://ifa2005.videocoverage.org/) (2nd footage) - ok, maybe not really one of them... :P
bob0r
21st January 2006, 01:03
Edit:
CoreAVCDecoder.ax will not be added to the x264 installer, unless CoreAVC developers/legal owners will give me a go.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
encoders:
-x264
-xvidavc
-coreavc
-ateme
Great competition, this should be great for the end user! :D
GhengisKhan
21st January 2006, 16:13
Update about AVC plugin:
Picard removed the AVC plugin from the test site. They are planning to put up this site www.coreavc.com and offer it for purchase and have a trial version as well (not sure about DS filter - so far I have only checked the Win32 and PPC versions).
So, don't crash your PPC or something (unless you still have the installer - I don't :scared: ) before the site goes up!
It seems like TCPMP 1.0 must not be so far away...
GhengisKhan
P.S. Bob0r I'm guessing by the look of it, you won't be able to add CoreAVC in as a free version - maybe as a trial.
BetaBoy
22nd January 2006, 15:12
GK... we are looking at adding the last of the bulletpoints for CoreAVC 1.0... IE; interlacing, lossless coding, SMP, x86-64bit
Interlacing and Loseless are the first priorites so we comply with _all_ AVC profiles... then we move to multi-processor support (that will probally come very soon) and last 64bit.
There will be two fast release waves for CoreAVC.... as we go from v1.0 to v2.0... We are predicting less then a few months between these versions as we add the features and work towards our encoder and a very BIG suprise with v2.0.
Selur
22nd January 2006, 15:15
@BetaBoy: Will the Decoder(Encoder?) stay free for personal use?
Cu Selur
GhengisKhan
22nd January 2006, 15:49
Oh sure, first you get me all hyped for v1.0 an now you tell me v2.0 is coming soon after that with a BIG suprise... looks like you almost have the AVC codec finished though. Interlacing and SMP are my "most wanted" features, although I might use lossless (I don't think Nero Recode has it though).
Keep up the good work :)
GhengisKhan
crypto
23rd January 2006, 22:22
Although I like CoreAVC, I don't like seeing it going commercial. It is always the same. People from the scene help making something into a product. And as soon as this is done, someone starts making money out of it. This has a bitter taste and I encourage you to rethink this strategy.
CruNcher
23rd January 2006, 23:34
@crypto
"Nothing is for Free except dying but even that costs your life"
SeeMoreDigital
23rd January 2006, 23:38
@crypto
a common german saying "Nothing is for Free except dying but even that costs your life"Yeah...
And who-ever came up with the expression "love is free" must have been delusional :scared:
Cheers
niknik
23rd January 2006, 23:44
I don't mind paying for something, if the price is right.
And although I support "freeware/donations" stuff, I have nothing against good programmers making some money out of their hard work. (I'm a professional programmer myself)
Just let's hope they won't become like Sony or some other mega-big-corporation in a few years, installing rootkits in their codecs! :)
ehehe
Inventive Software
23rd January 2006, 23:44
Yeah...
And who-ever came up with the expression "love is free" must have been delusional
Amen to that. Nothing in life is free, except possibly GPL'd software. ;)
On-topic, sort of, can somebody point me in the direction of the CoreAVC DirectShow decoder? I can't seem to find it. :(
kurt
23rd January 2006, 23:59
On-topic, sort of, can somebody point me in the direction of the CoreAVC DirectShow decoder? I can't seem to find it. :(
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=767051#post767051 :)
SeeMoreDigital
24th January 2006, 00:00
Amen to that. Nothing in life is free, except possibly GPL'd software. ;)
On-topic, sort of, can somebody point me in the direction of the CoreAVC DirectShow decoder? I can't seem to find it. :(As far as I'm aware the latest DSdec build is still v0.0.0.4 (Dated Jan 09 2006).
Anyway, I placed it on my own website together with some installation instructions (and "bat" files). All of which can be found here (http://81.98.148.105/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/CoreAVC_DSDec.zip).
Note to CoreAVC developers:
If there's a problem with me hosting your direct-show filter, please let me know and I wll remove it.
Cheers
travisbell
24th January 2006, 00:25
Although I like CoreAVC, I don't like seeing it going commercial. It is always the same. People from the scene help making something into a product. And as soon as this is done, someone starts making money out of it. This has a bitter taste and I encourage you to rethink this strategy.
I dunno if I agree. If any piece of software is a quality tool I have absolutely no problem paying for a product. It's the old saying right? You get what you pay for. I believe that statement 110% and you will see me purchase CoreAVC once it has finalized up a bit better.
BetaBoy
24th January 2006, 01:26
Although I like CoreAVC, I don't like seeing it going commercial. It is always the same. People from the scene help making something into a product. And as soon as this is done, someone starts making money out of it. This has a bitter taste and I encourage you to rethink this strategy.
Well... OS or Closed... from the very beginning (only 4 weeks ago) we were telling everyone about our plans about selling it. First a 1.0 decoder, then v1.5 NEW decoder (sorry GK no v2.0 right away like we planned)... then an encoder.
While we host and offer some great open source Audio and Video apps on CoreCodec.org... there is a line to be draw on what we need to actually do to make 'something' to support those projects. TCPMP and CoreAVC are that medium atm.
Hey, I dream of a true Open Source video codec that CoreCodec can host... in the real world however IP costs cash and comes at a cost (IE; AVC). It will always be a balance for us, we are not XIPH and will never be. We actually make things happen fast and dont have an ever prolonged devel period that last what seems, well, forever.
Proof is the value in Audio and Video development we bring by our actions and intentions. Open Source when possible and push for open standards... I do this on a daily basis... and I hope that CoreCodec and the other developers associated with us have shown that 'intention' over the past few years.
Isochroma
24th January 2006, 02:50
Are there license fees to pay the MPEG-LA for AVC encoders/decoders? I assumed that open-source and other freeware codecs weren't billed because the MPEG-LA either couldn't be bothered or had a formal/informal policy of not pursuing non-monetary implementations...
CruNcher
24th January 2006, 03:34
@Isochroma
as long as they don't get a major threat to commercial available solutions this might be true but CoreAVC is threatening AVC Aliance solutions (with it's decoding efficiency).
What i don't understand why customers have to pay finaly for it the revenue could be gathered by major deals (SDK for example) with other companies not from the avg joes i hope this can be achived sooner or later so all get it for free again.
GhengisKhan
24th January 2006, 06:08
Well... OS or Closed... from the very beginning (only 4 weeks ago) we were telling everyone about our plans about selling it. First a 1.0 decoder, then v1.5 NEW decoder (sorry GK no v2.0 right away like we planned)... then an encoder.
While we host and offer some great open source Audio and Video apps on CoreCodec.org... there is a line to be draw on what we need to actually do to make 'something' to support those projects. TCPMP and CoreAVC are that medium atm.
Hey, I dream of a true Open Source video codec that CoreCodec can host... in the real world however IP costs cash and comes at a cost (IE; AVC). It will always be a balance for us, we are not XIPH and will never be. We actually make things happen fast and dont have an ever prolonged devel period that last what seems, well, forever.
Proof is the value in Audio and Video development we bring by our actions and intentions. Open Source when possible and push for open standards... I do this on a daily basis... and I hope that CoreCodec and the other developers associated with us have shown that 'intention' over the past few years.
Sounds logical to me... I mean Corecodec is a company - not a group of developers. By the way, Betaboy, are you hinting that 2.0 will be released alongside the CoreAVC encoder (so that I can finally call it a codec...). Cause if you are I should become a some sort of anaylist... and that would, of course, be really cool as well :) .
I agree with CrunNcher though, it would be really nice if Corecodec offered the solution for free to the average joe and made all the money off of big businesses. I don't think this would be that hard, but... there are some things you want to offer consumers that come at a price as well...
Now, I hope the new AVC site gets up soon... I'm getting really impatient. Although, I do understand that TCPMP v1.0 is under major development too. I'm really excited - release it soon! :D
Keep up the good work,
GhengisKhan
P.S. I think it's good that CoreCodec comes to forums and asks for people's help - that way they make a great product people will like right off the bat.
P.P.S. Betaboy can you give us some time period we can expect TCPMP v1.0 released - internal goal, from the way it's going now, what Picard thinks, etc. I rough estimate will sastisfy me for now - don't answer this question if you are releasing it this week...
ChronoCross
24th January 2006, 06:42
No one should charge for a decoder. however the encoder is something one should charge for as it is something that can be much more difficult.
foxyshadis
24th January 2006, 07:11
It looks like their goal is to have it used for low-power x32/x64 processors in an embedded/media center style machine for home theaters, though. Thus the decoder is an integral feature in making older, cooler, and much cheaper chips usable, whereas there's already free slower decoders for everyone else. So it does make sense.
crypto
24th January 2006, 07:28
Well... OS or Closed... from the very beginning (only 4 weeks ago) we were telling everyone about our plans about selling it. First a 1.0 decoder, then v1.5 NEW decoder (sorry GK no v2.0 right away like we planned)... then an encoder.
BetaBoy:
I am relatively new to CoreAVC. Can you point me to a post of this statement?
I would also like to add, that in this case your plans are totally ok. I was not criticizing going commercial at all. What I was talking about is, holding such plans behind.
bond
24th January 2006, 11:51
obviously everyone wants everything to be freely available, but thats not how capitalism works ;)
that said nothing wrong with coreavc going commercial, i am sure there is lots of money to make from it (as its really good)
there is just one thing that needs to be added imho before it really can become a "threat" to other professional solutions and thats support for interlacing
bratao
24th January 2006, 14:20
But i tip.
Make a stripped to bone, free for personal use, version of you decoder.
Then a professional version with the good stuff.
This can make a huge publicity for your pro version witout any effort.
niknik
24th January 2006, 14:33
Even nvidia was charging for their "purevideo" codec, and that's for people that already spent hundreds of dolars buying their cards.
A good codec, vastly improving on existing ones, allowing you to use "old/low-end" hardware to be used effectively as a media center is something most people won't mind paying a small price for it.
But back on the *real* topic: are any there any news coming up? how's the development going? :)
Scarpad
24th January 2006, 14:48
I'm using TCPMP on my 51V. So there will be encoder for AVC now? Will Profiles be used and will it include a baseline profile for Ipod Encoding? I want to be able to play the vids in either the PPC or the Ipod.
clsid
24th January 2006, 15:15
I can understand that the AVC encoder and TCPMP are going commercial because of the MPEG license fees and generating revenue required to run CoreCodec. But no fees have to be paid for a decoder, right? Keeping the DS decoder free would make many of us happy. Plus that would be a good way for people to get to know the CoreAVC name/brand, making it easier to sell the commercial products.
BetaBoy
24th January 2006, 15:33
Eventually we would like to work towards that goal with AVC (and all our pay codecs)... and with the other things that TCPMPx supports COSP (3D enviro pics) and soon SVG (vector graphics)... we hope with these additional tools and our plans to license them that it will make TCPMP and our filters as free as Flash/IPIX/Real/QT players are...
slavickas
24th January 2006, 15:51
I can understand that the AVC encoder and TCPMP are going commercial because of the MPEG license fees and generating revenue required to run CoreCodec. But no fees have to be paid for a decoder, right? Keeping the DS decoder free would make many of us happy. Plus that would be a good way for people to get to know the CoreAVC name/brand, making it easier to sell the commercial products.
nope avc ip licensing is per product, iirc it is same if decoding or encoding or both capabilities supports product
Foreigner999
25th January 2006, 05:49
@betaboy
Will the pay version of TCPMP (with AVC for win32) would I be able to move about with it in a flash drive from computer to computer (for example) and not have to deal with registration issues like calling an 800 number to register it a billion times?
Has this part been thought out at all?
How would the licensing system work? Cause the current system that TCMP has of registering through email and having to get a key and all that was a real turn off to buying the software. Not exactly streamlined. Comments welcome.
BetaBoy
25th January 2006, 12:55
The 'PC Desktop' version of CoreAVC at first will be for Windows only but will expand in a 1.xx version to bundle it with Linux as well (you can only use one of those at a time).
On registering... we are gonna make it easy.. once you register the filter... you are really registering @ CoreCodec and are associating your account to our backend DB for CoreTheque (CT is our metadata management client and backend DB). On portablilty... i'll look into that... seeing something like Sandisk U3 platform being used.
GhengisKhan
26th January 2006, 23:02
Just thought everyone might want to know that a new version of TCPMP has been released. Here's the changelog. I don't know if the old AVC plugin still works in it (prob. not).
Changelog
version 0.71i
+nsv container support (but no vp3/vp6 codec...)
-installer file naming changed
-playlist shuffle mode fix
-buffering fix for very high bitrate movies
-avi audio timing fix with incompatible files
-PalmOS: pixel aspect option in preferences dialog
-WinCE: asf http streaming stream selection
-WinCE: XScale driver fix (for O2 Atom. still needs testing)
-WinCE: fix X50v WM5 black display after power on
-WinCE: telling "go online" to OS before http connection
-WinCE: better handling of special hotkeys (record, menu, green, red phone buttons)
-WinCE: ATI Imageon 3200 "Keep ATI driver active" option (maybe helps with crashes...)
-WinCE: DirectDraw mode fixes (+disabled with some devices...)
-Win32: DirectDraw clipping blit when overlay not available
-Win32: DirectDraw overlay color space option in settings
GhengisKhan 8)
Negi
27th January 2006, 05:35
What types of secret techniques make this filter runnable on slow cpus? Is that trade-secret or is it just a decoder that's been worked on extensively?
Irwin
27th January 2006, 10:17
What types of secret techniques make this filter runnable on slow cpus? Is that trade-secret or is it just a decoder that's been worked on extensively?
Picard - that's all :D
niknik
27th January 2006, 11:14
What types of secret techniques make this filter runnable on slow cpus? Is that trade-secret or is it just a decoder that's been worked on extensively?
Good, old-fashioned, optimized to death, coding... that's all.
Just imagine if Windows itself was coded this way... It would fit in a few Megabytes, boot instantly, and run like the wind! :)
pankov
27th January 2006, 11:18
Good, old-fashioned, optimized to death, coding... that's all.
Just imagine if Windows itself was coded this way... It would fit in a few Megabytes, boot instantly, and run like the wind! :)
I hope you are right and they are not giving us speed for the price of quality. I personally didn't have the opportunity to compare in details different decoders but it looks OK so keep up the good work
:)
SeeMoreDigital
27th January 2006, 11:21
Just thought everyone might want to know that a new version of TCPMP has been released. Here's the changelog. I don't know if the old AVC plugin still works in it (prob. not).That's encouraging news.... Hopefully a revised DSdec filter isn't too far behind also :)
Cheers
allclone
28th January 2006, 06:02
Awesome added support for NSV in v0.71i, I dunno if they got my e-mail a while back or I'm just lucky. Either way thanks for adding it to the latest TCPMP, great stuff, and look forward to future releases.
Edit:
Not that its a huge issue because nsv support was just added, but using avc video specifically x264 and aac audio in nsv container causes some weird audio and video sync issues when playing back the files in the new TCPMP 0.71i
slavickas
28th January 2006, 11:11
Awesome added support for NSV in v0.71i, I dunno if they got my e-mail a while back or I'm just lucky. Either way thanks for adding it to the latest TCPMP, great stuff, and look forward to future releases.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=775896#post775896
[although your post and mine reply should be in that thread]
unmei
28th January 2006, 13:54
I hope you are right and they are not giving us speed for the price of quality.
AVC is bit exact decoding. Therefore every decoder will produce exactly the same output. The only issue here are bugs (;)) and a potentially bad quality color space conversion or resizing - that is the stuff that comes after the actual decoding.
BetaBoy
28th January 2006, 16:34
pankov.... unmei has it exactly right. Maybe bond wants to do a comparison of our quality against others decoders?
GhengisKhan
28th January 2006, 16:53
You can check, but I think Quicktime gives a slightly better ouput for the apple trailers. The color is more vivid and sharper.... but I could be wrong.
However, I think the difference is only very slight.
GhengisKhan
foxyshadis
28th January 2006, 18:10
The only valid comparison is to ISO reference decoder. Anything different is either wrong, or more likely includes various post-processing. Also different video renderers and video cards can create differences where there are none.
Manao
28th January 2006, 19:52
GhengisKhan : it's due to your overlay. Configure it properly, and you'll have the same "vivid" colors.
Sirber
30th January 2006, 03:55
Is 0.0.0.4 the latest?
COREiP
30th January 2006, 04:31
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/CoreAVC20060113.7z This link is dead...
COREiP
30th January 2006, 04:37
Where can i download version 0.0.0.4?
Koti
30th January 2006, 04:45
Where can i download version 0.0.0.4?
See Post=315 (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=773877&postcount=315)
rushin_911
30th January 2006, 05:15
perhaps this has been asked before (the thread is 18 pages,,,) but are there any plans for making a linux version of the decoder?
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