CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC" [Archive] - Page 59

DocAliG

24th July 2007, 15:54

Fighting my fears to ask this, because I don't want to (re) activate the storm / thunder and getting people angry.

** Disclosure ** Warning **
This is a simple question, with nothing in background, just to know.
** End disclosure ** End warning **

Betaboy, when do you think CoreAVC ENcoder will/would be ready ?

Thanks

bmnot

25th July 2007, 07:22

What exactly is "Skip b-frame deblocking". Is it in between no deblocking and full deblocking? or something else?

Shinigami-Sama

25th July 2007, 07:24

What exactly is "Skip b-frame deblocking". Is it in between no deblocking and full deblocking? or something else?

looks like it deblocks both I and P frames, as b-frame processing is slow
as long as you don't have a large string of b-frames you shouldn't be able to notice a whole lot

so yeahs is 2/3 the way to full deblocking

Gabriel_Bouvigne

25th July 2007, 08:19

What exactly is "Skip b-frame deblocking". Is it in between no deblocking and full deblocking? or something else?
This is an option to not deblock B frames. B frames deblocking is not more time consuming than deblocking any other frame, but as B frames are notoften used as reference, it allows to skip deblocking on those frames without propagating any mismatch to further frames (which would happen if you do not deblock frames used as a reference).

Side note: it would be way more bullet-proof to skip deblocking on non-ref frames rather than on B frames (B frames can be used as a reference, and I/P can be non referenced frames).

foxyshadis

25th July 2007, 15:10

I'm fairly sure that's actually what Core does, but "Skip non-reference b-frame deblocking" is quite a mouthful for a configuration box.

Kurtnoise

27th July 2007, 18:05

Does anybody is able to download/purchase the 1.5.0.0 (http://www.coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1) release yet ?

From my account, it's still the 1.3.0.0.

edit: wrong versioning I guess because the filter has been created today...

Guest

27th July 2007, 18:55

Does anybody is able to download/purchase the 1.5.0.0 (http://www.coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1) release yet ? I'm not able to download or purchase anything. There is a page called Download/Purchase but there are no links for downloading and purchasing on it. It appears to be vaporware, and they're still teasing us. :)

Kurtnoise

27th July 2007, 20:06

You need to create an account to download something...

Core Account >> http://portal.coreforge.org/

pankov

27th July 2007, 20:19

Kurtnoise13,
I do have an account, but I still don't see where I can download the new version. Can you guide us?
I suppose it's all my fault but it was so long ago when I downloaded something from there that I forgot
;)

ChronoCross

27th July 2007, 20:36

I don't even think it's released. Just the changelog is up.

Guest

27th July 2007, 20:44

You need to create an account to download something...

Core Account >> http://portal.coreforge.org/ That's vaporware too. I created an account and logged in. It responded with a screen asking me to register my purchase, which I haven't made yet, as that is my primary goal, to simply purchase the product. Then I navigated back to the download/purchase page (while logged in), and there still are no links for downloading or purchasing.

But thank you for your suggestion. Sharing is caring.

BetaBoy

27th July 2007, 20:50

Guest

27th July 2007, 21:10

Why don't you remove the download/purchase page until it is actually possible to download and/or purchase the product? Or put a notice on it saying something like:

"The product is not yet available for purchase. Please check back periodically to check the status. Thank you."

And why can't I become a "current user"?

Shinigami-Sama

27th July 2007, 21:16

changelog was pushed because we are testing 1.5 right now with some current users of CoreAVC / Core Account system and they wanted to know what was new. Neuron2 we are working on 'hiding' the 'register my purchase' for only incoming purchases.

if I were you guys I'd seriously fire my current web dev team and get a new one, along with your marketing team. I'd like to be able to buy it sometime before even a PPC can handle 1080p

DeepBeepMeep

27th July 2007, 22:39

Come one betaboy! Get this version out. Its number keep changing... It was supposed to be first 1.3 then 1.4 and now 1.5. I have got the feeling you are going to announce it is again to be postponed and magically become 1.6 for our own good.

It is very frustrating: I have reported the issue with the colorspace conversion around the first release of coreavc which was more than one year ago ! A long time later around the failed 1.3 release we have learnt it is an (unwanted) feature of coreavc which is the only decoder that takes into account a flag which is obviously not supported by most AVC encoders.

During all this time people like me had to use postprocessors such as ffdshow to counterbalance this unwanted effect! You had plenty of time to fix this issue and the others that have been reported. And now you delay, you delay, and so on.

Obviously you underestimate the negative effect on your future sales of pissed off people like me that are certainly not spreading nice words about you, it should have been so simple to release this version...

Kurtnoise

27th July 2007, 23:06

I do have an account, but I still don't see where I can download the new version. Can you guide us?
I suppose it's all my fault but it was so long ago when I downloaded something from there that I forgot
;)
1/ After your log in, in the 2nd tab, select sales->purchases :
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5264/coreavc01ql4.th.png (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coreavc01ql4.png)

2/ Click on the last order you have in the list.

3/ Then click on the download link...that's all.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9172/coreavc022es3.th.png (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coreavc022es3.png)

but it works only for people who have already purchased something I guess. Anyway, we still wait for BetaBoy to announce the official release.

deets

27th July 2007, 23:25

Dark Shikari

27th July 2007, 23:37

sigh if only for some competition to get them to get their act together, this is pretty embarrassing to see the sales back in a couple of days, but nothing for months.

wonder how many sales been lost to piracy
Well the worst thing about this for the developers of CoreAVC is that because of the complete failure of their sales department, it has become the de facto standard on many video-related websites to pirate it, even on sites that otherwise are completely opposed to piracy. I see links thrown around to 1.2 and 1.3 all over the place, and many major codec packs even include it.

Basically CoreAVC has told the world "we make great software, please pirate it, because you can't buy it." And they listened.

pankov

27th July 2007, 23:56

Kurtnoise13,
thanks for the quick guide. With your help I was able to download the installation file but it seams it's the old one (1.3.0.0) :(
I guess we'll have to wait more
:(
let's hope it's not as long as the last time.

Shinigami-Sama

28th July 2007, 00:22

Well the worst thing about this for the developers of CoreAVC is that because of the complete failure of their sales department, it has become the de facto standard on many video-related websites to pirate it, even on sites that otherwise are completely opposed to piracy. I see links thrown around to 1.2 and 1.3 all over the place, and many major codec packs even include it.

Basically CoreAVC has told the world "we make great software, please pirate it, because you can't buy it." And they listened.
there were actually a couple copies of it on the FTP I hosted for here, I check it periodically and removed it to be nice, should probably check again soon

Jay Bee

1st August 2007, 20:12

Is 1.5 out yet? Videohelp thinks it is: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/CoreAVC

Maxiuca

1st August 2007, 23:24

Is 1.5 out yet? Videohelp thinks it is: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/CoreAVC
CoreCodec also claims it's already "out":

http://www.coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1

ChronoCross

1st August 2007, 23:43

Is 1.5 out yet? Videohelp thinks it is: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/CoreAVC

No it's not. It's in the final prep stage.

CoreCodec also claims it's already "out":

http://www.coreavc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1

That's the public changelog to let everyone know what progress is being made.

wiak

4th August 2007, 03:39

is it just me or do the changelog for 1.5 look like 1.2?
all tose options that is listed are in 1.2 :confused:

HowlerX

4th August 2007, 05:03

This weekend... hell freezes over! (http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=89.msg2007#msg2007)

Apparently, version 1.5 de-vaporizes this weekend! According to Betaboy, they've been having problems with the DRM-scheme...er... “installer,” thus the current delay in releasing.

Being a legal owner of CoreAVC since late Sept., I hope they do manage to release this version soon-ish.

For the record, I've encoded and watched probably hundreds (guesstimating here) of x264-encoded content with CoreAVC since I bought it and I really do have faith in these guys despite their numerous delays in releasing 1.3...er... 1.5.

CoreAVC gave my aging P4 a reason to go on computing, instead of ending up in a recycling bin.

trueimage

4th August 2007, 08:29

is it out yet? ;)

ACrowley

4th August 2007, 08:33

is it out yet? ;)

No. not out...

I believe it only when i can download it !:rolleyes:

Will 1.5 fix the ugly Macroblocking on some x264 ?
I think so

Fix: Deblocking with extreme settings fixed

Jay Bee

4th August 2007, 10:32

This weekend... hell freezes over! (http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=89.msg2007#msg2007)

Oh dear, here goes.

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07316/f5.jpg

I just hope it's true this time. And I wouldn't worry about the installer. I'm sure EDGE will fix it. :)

trenskow

4th August 2007, 13:18

Dark Shikari

4th August 2007, 13:19

Hi all

I just found out that coreavc exist today, and naturally wanted to rty it out right away. But... is there no official download from there webpage i can try? I cant find it on their webpage. Or are they waiting until they have a new release.
I really really wanna try it out :-)

RegardsSo far its basically vaporware.

There are many codec packs that contain it, just google around. There's even one on free-codecs.com and such...

trueimage

4th August 2007, 18:32

Vaporware?? I've been using it since last Nov

ChronoCross

4th August 2007, 18:38

Vaporware?? I've been using it since last Nov

these guys just talk about what they don't know. Ignore them. Coreavc should be legally purchased and not used from these "codec packs" like some of our above associates should have you to believe.

Dark Shikari

4th August 2007, 18:46

these guys just talk about what they don't know. Ignore them. Coreavc should be legally purchased and not used from these "codec packs" like some of our above associates should have you to believe.
It should be legally purchased, too bad last I saw CoreCodec won't let you :rolleyes:

I'll quote my earlier post again:

Well the worst thing about this for the developers of CoreAVC is that because of the complete failure of their sales department, it has become the de facto standard on many video-related websites to pirate it, even on sites that otherwise are completely opposed to piracy. I see links thrown around to 1.2 and 1.3 all over the place, and many major codec packs even include it.

Basically CoreAVC has told the world "we make great software, please pirate it, because you can't buy it." And they listened.
You can't tell people to buy what isn't being sold.

Disabled

4th August 2007, 19:05

It is vaporware for all ppl who not already bought it or use an illegal version. Youre not able to buy it since months and I think its a lot better for CoreCodec, before they get more paying customers they can spoof.
GPU support is Vaporvare, the new version is still vaporvar...

I'd not recommend anyone to buy it right now until they start to be honest to their customers and start to care about them.

BetaBoy

4th August 2007, 20:03

CoreAVC 1.5 has been released to our current users. To download the updated:

- Go to : http://portal.coreforge.org
- Select Sales > Purchases'
- Select your Order #
- On the right side select 'Download URL'

Once we get verification that the remaining installer work we did with Vista has been resolved. We will bring up purchasing again. Additionally.... once purchasing is back up we will then include an offline activation method.

skal

4th August 2007, 21:20

i'm curious about what CoreSVC is...
Any clue? corecodec.com mentions it, but there's no description.
Just an unusual word attached: "encoder".

skal

mitsubishi

4th August 2007, 21:32

Never heard of CoreSVC, but SVC is an extension to AVC allowing heterogeneous distribution. i.e. One encode can be decoded at different quality levels.

CruNcher

4th August 2007, 21:55

@skal
it stands for Scalable Video Codec and as mitsubishi said a addition to H.264 and is good for what the name says it scales with the available Bandwith (so streaming optimized), reference encoder is released for longer time now.

Jay Bee

4th August 2007, 22:20

Thx for the release. Tried a few test files. No more problems for me.

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 00:23

Any Vista users try 1.5 yet?

Gnerma

5th August 2007, 00:31

I'm on Vista Business. 1.5 installs BUT it did not detect my custom install directory which is "C:\Program Files\codecs\CoreAVC" instead of the default. I entered it manually and the installer seemed to update the previous 1.3 install fine.

bmnot

5th August 2007, 00:31

When will I be able to buy it?

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 00:43

When will I be able to buy it?
see below

Once we get verification that the remaining installer work we did with Vista has been resolved. We will bring up purchasing again. Additionally.... once purchasing is back up we will then include an offline activation method.

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 00:45

andybno1

5th August 2007, 00:56

yeh vista user, I got unable to read product ID. please contact support@corecodec.com with error VI82

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 01:19

bob0r

5th August 2007, 01:39

http://x264.nl/coreavc1.5.duke.jpg

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 02:17

Nice abs ;-)... well we have identified a new MS Vista update that may break Vista installs of CoreAVC like a lil beayach. Stay tuned...

BetaBoy

5th August 2007, 02:49

Confirmed... Vista Sucks /me says that with nothing but love for MS ;-/

andybno1

5th August 2007, 04:37

You logged in as an admin?

For error VI82 - The installer is unable to read your Microsoft(R) Windows product ID. Typically, this is caused by a permissions problem. Please log in as a user with administrative privileges, and re-run the installer.

I'm the only user of the PC and have full rights, I have also tried the run as administrator option with right click and still the same